So Cid was the Cubi, I now hate him.
You are Seven seconds faster than the other post.
I don't think that's the same Cid that May knew. :(
My reaction was somewere between these two smilies.
:erk :mwaha
...that, and I kept swearing and laughing for a good 30 seconds strait.
Yeah, he's a complete and total dick. I don't get it--at all--unless Cid really does have some sort of Jekyll and Hyde complex.
This makes it a little less likely that Devin and Abel are related, though.
A Coke says he's Kria's instructor--though still in disguise.
P.S. Congratulations on your first thread. By *six seconds*. Meanie.
P.P.S. I may come up with an angry list of plot holes later (depending on whether they exist in reality or in my mind)
hatehatehatehatehatehate!!!!!!
I hope he gets pwned to death by a dragon.
omg, is he gonna kill her now??
JEEEERRRRRRRRRKKKK!
:eek :boggle :aack :cuss
:wtf
ok, i got it out. I'm done.
Well, either Cid has a weird complex, or Cid's been dead for many years and that guy just took his place out of fun >:3
Stay tuned and don't miss next week's episode :P
Quote from: devilsislegrl on April 28, 2007, 12:13:09 AMomg, is he gonna kill her now??
JEEEERRRRRRRRRKKKK!
I don't think that `Jerk' (or even JEEEERRRRRRRRRKKKK!) is the proper term for a murderer. That Charles Manson was a jerk. Boy, Sirhan Sirhan was a bit of a jerk, wasn't he?
P.S. Why did he slap her? Really. Just because it's good drama doesn't mean that he has any motivation to do so. You better have some good reasons for his behavior, or else this is going to look like something out of a bad porn fanfic.
Yes, I went there. There *are* certain similarities.
OMGOMGOMG
WTF!!?
But I had guessed this almost all along, up until the last few updates when I thought for sure it wasn't possible. But I knew he was the dad because of the tail marking.
Also, look at the hand here:
http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Abel_69.php
It's gotta be Cid who attacked Devin.
Wow, not everyday a comic makes me feel emotion.
OMG WHAT IF HE IS REALTED TO DAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!? LOOK AT THE TAIL
Quote from: Gornemant on April 28, 2007, 12:16:18 AM
Well, either Cid has a weird complex, or Cid's been dead for many years and that guy just took his place out of fun >:3
Stay tuned and don't miss next week's episode :P
I don't think I want to see next week's episode.
:erk
hmmm...
...with the amount of bricks this comic will produce, you could probably build a full-size replica of the Great Wall of China...
...also, it made me unlurk, and that's an accomplishment...
OMFG!!!! :disbelief This is why Abel has a severe dislike of Cubi who use their abilities to assume complete alternate identities. YIKES! :eek
I can't ditch the feeling Cid was possessed during the years... cubi can go into minds...
http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_297.php
Maybe he IS Dan's father!?? They look so alike it's creepy. Maybe Dan's father was an incubus and that is why Destania fell in love with him.
...
Then again, Alexsi isn't a succubus. Still, they look waaaaaaaaaaaay too similar to be coincidence, and Abel had said something to Dan about his father. There's gotta be something we don't know about here.
http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_527.php
Reference comic
...
[proceeds to make a laugh so evil it was impossible to record it for future examination and studies, which probably benefit the world most anyway]
He's dead. Dead, I tell you! And has been for years on years...! Oooh, the sadism... It makes my heart race!
Quote from: Kattuccino on April 28, 2007, 12:23:53 AM
http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_297.php
Maybe he IS Dan's father!?? They look so alike it's creepy. Maybe Dan's father was an incubus and that is why Destania fell in love with him.
...
Then again, Alexsi isn't a succubus. Still, they look waaaaaaaaaaaay too similar to be coincidence, and Abel had said something to Dan about his father. There's gotta be something we don't know about here.
Let me put my two cents here You MotherF***er I want to shove a 50 Cal. up in your arse and pull the trigger or cut your jewels off and shove them down your throat. :mwaha Ok I feel better now.
That guy looks like Dan's father as you say Kat I don't think it's a coincidence here there's a deceitful web is being spun by this ASSH**E and I have a feeling this guy is bein doing this since Devin.
I think Abel is the only one who knows the answer to this.
If that lousy :censored feeds off hatered he's gettin' indagestion.
Frig... I'm seeing another massacre in the next comic. No wonder Abel is so distant... he's worried that if he gets close to anybody they'll end up dead. Poor kid. :mowsad
Hoooooosnap.
I believe that a hula is in order, but alas, we do not have such an emoticon. So instead I'll just do it for you. *hulahulahula*
So now we have a few options: Cid is the Incubus, or currently an Incubus is impersonating Cid in order to get to May, or even follow Abel. In my personal opinion, I believe that judging by his words, it could've been someone mimicking Cid... but another part of me also thinks that it could also be an Incubus who was associated with Kria's tutor who came to take care of the little runaway "target." Question is, if this was Cid all along, how was he able to keep his clan marking concealed? Could it be on the back of his neck, where it was hidden by his long hair, or someplace rather inconvenient if it wasn't under his eyepatch after all?
And as a random question, "Cid's" head-wings bear no resemblance to Abel's at all in terms of one half being feathery and the other draconic. Huh. Though now that I think about it, a long time ago, I recall that the electrified tentacles bombarding Abel and Co. back when Devin was alive are the same shade as the lower half of "Cid's" head-wings. So it is a possibility that he was the very one who assaulted them distantly.
But now I'm just coming up with s%^t.
Ooooh the excitement. The plot twists! :eager
~Keaton the Black Jackal
Concerning evil cubidads:
NOOOOOOOOOOOooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
:mowdizzy
Yyeah I'd believe Abel not getting over this even given 300 years. T_T
Quote from: Kattuccino on April 28, 2007, 12:23:53 AMhttp://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_297.php
Maybe he IS Dan's father!?? They look so alike it's creepy. Maybe Dan's father was an incubus and that is why Destania fell in love with him.
...
Then again, Alexsi isn't a succubus. Still, they look waaaaaaaaaaaay too similar to be coincidence, and Abel had said something to Dan about his father. There's gotta be something we don't know about here.
Maybe Alexsi's mother was a being?
I think that if Edward were an incubus, Destania would have sought him out *because* she knew Edward to be an incubus.
On the other hand, I see no reason why CEd and Dee wouldn't tell Dan that he was a full-blooded incubus. Dark Pegasus is concerned that Ti'Fiona is Destania's child. I would think that he would have associated the name with the adventurer/incubus by now. After all, most adventurers don't get to be as old as Cohen the Barbarian--and someone that lives at least three times as long is likely to get noticed. And a reputation.
It may be that we've caught Cid in mid-transformation, as well. Most `cubi seem to have matching fur and headwings. Notable exceptions: Dan, Ink and Aary. All PCs.
Of course if Cid has *always* been an Incubus that raises some VERY puzzling queries now don't it.
:erk
Wow, what an unexpected turn of events. Well, you guys finally have your answer on who the incubus is. Question is, how long has he been holding up that charade? I suppose the answer will come next month when the "villain" reveals his motives.
Man, I want Abel to kick his ass, but I know he won't be able to do it. Abel's too much of a softy at this point. :<
Still, this gave me the RIGHT kind of shock and is an example of excellent storytelling. Nice work, Amber. :)
I think Amber is just taking these plotlines from the speculation. I swear. Sometimes it even dialogue comes out worded almost the same... Someone's got some 'splainin' to do...
What also needs to be explained is why Cid-ish-guy is all evil, instead of trying to, you know, NOT drive abel insane and thus lose him as a potential candidate for cubi-son-dom.
On a separate note, he must either really suck at shapeshifting, or shifted back at the same time as he took off his eyepatch.
A few points -
Cid (or whoever) has apparently snapped off whatever charm he was wearing to change back to an incubus. You can see the cord but I didn't notice anything on it. He's also hit May hard enough to give her a real bloody nose.
Also, the fact that Dan looks a lot like him might give some real insight into why Abel reacts to Dan the way he does. Even if they aren't connected somehow, Abel might be seeing the Incubus Cid every time he looks at Dan.
dum dum dum dummmmmm
man this was a half thing I thought off but when it happends I don't belief it :erk
whoa. i was totally not expecting this. i was still voting for the "May got tricked by a incubus that LOOKED like Cid" theory. guess that's shot to #%^ now.
keep goin with yer muse, Amber. this was awsome. shocking, but awsome. now i gotta wait all dang week to find out more! blargh!
Great...my Subconscience and Unconscience parts of my mind are going "GASP! Plot Twist!" at the same time as me. I was thinking that either May had an affair with an incubus and didn't know it...but Cid as the incubus, this was a shocker to me.
Could the eye patch not be the charm? I am sure you could probly add such charm magic to said eye patch, and this way noone would wonder why he is always wearing it.
-Robbie
Hah I said it the eye patch was a patch! to bad he tuned all evil
Quote from: LoneHowler on April 28, 2007, 01:02:11 AM
Hah I said it the eye patch was a patch! to bad he tuned all evil
I'm pretty sure that Amber said it wasn't a patch in the title of her newest rant.
Just saying.
~Keaton the Black Jackal
Quote from: Keaton the Black Jackal on April 28, 2007, 01:03:40 AM
Quote from: LoneHowler on April 28, 2007, 01:02:11 AM
Hah I said it the eye patch was a patch! to bad he tuned all evil
I'm pretty sure that Amber said it wasn't a patch in the title of her newest rant.
Just saying.
~Keaton the Black Jackal
Thank you. I'm glad I'm not the only one paying attention.
Also, to all you who were saying "I told you so" to the May-cheated-on-Cid theory, go eat a humble pie. Now.
Quote from: Aridas Soulfire on April 28, 2007, 12:49:39 AMWhat also needs to be explained is why Cid-ish-guy is all evil, instead of trying to, you know, NOT drive abel insane and thus lose him as a potential candidate for cubi-son-dom.
Or he could just not care. Maybe he never even went to SAIA. Maybe SAIA wants Cid dead.
Quote from: Rafe on April 28, 2007, 12:51:09 AMCid (or whoever) has apparently snapped off whatever charm he was wearing to change back to an incubus. You can see the cord but I didn't notice anything on it.
I can dispute this post in two emoticons:
??? :shapeshifters
Quote from: Rafe on April 28, 2007, 12:51:09 AMAlso, the fact that Dan looks a lot like him might give some real insight into why Abel reacts to Dan the way he does. Even if they aren't connected somehow, Abel might be seeing the Incubus Cid every time he looks at Dan.
But Dan doesn't look very much like Cid or Edward. If he knew Edward, which he seems to, that might change things. It's also possible that Cid and Edward are related, but not the same person. Also note Cid's youthful appearance (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Abel_05.php), which looks a *lot* like Cid's current appearance. Did people claim that Cid was Ed back then?
Also, I'm liking the ``Someone replaced Cid on the way home'' theory.
[edit]and responses are still coming in hard and fast. Phooey, nobody here's reading anyone elses' posts.[/edit]
At this point, I think Cid was playing Fae, deciding he wanted to be someone else just long enough to have a kid and learn whether it was a cubi or not. I'm also starting to think the people who suspected Devin and Abel were half-brothers were probably right, and Devin's mom refused to kill him when they found out he wasn't a cubi(just like those same people said!)
And now, a message to the author.
Personally, if I could have pulled off the kind of plot twist you just did, I wouldn't have been stressing out over it, I'd have been grinning and giggling the entire time... which is probably why I can't pull it off. This was good. Sure, you've take a character we all looked up to and made us hate him, but the way you did it... Simply awesome. Putting a plot twist into the story like that, pulling it off as perfectly as you just did, and keeping all of us guessing the entire time takes skill and dedication. I just can not adequately say how awestruck I am right now that you just pulled this whole thing off.
Mrs. Williams, you deserve some serious mad kudos for that, but at very least, I'd like to give you a pat on the back.
Quote from: Fuyudenki on April 28, 2007, 01:06:19 AM
[edit]and responses are still coming in hard and fast. Phooey, nobody here's reading anyone elses' posts.[/edit]
At this point, I think Cid was playing Fae, deciding he wanted to be someone else just long enough to have a kid and learn whether it was a cubi or not. I'm also starting to think the people who suspected Devin and Abel were half-brothers were probably right, and Devin's mom refused to kill him when they found out he wasn't a cubi(just like those same people said!)
Except Amber said Dan and Devin were not related, and I'm thinking Dan and Abel are, which means (through deductive reasoning), Abel and Devin cannot be. But that's only if the theory is true.
Gah, one question answered, a million more =<
Couple notes:
1: I'm mixing up next week's update schedules. Instead of Furrae Fashion along with DMFA normal, it will be Abel's Story. So I guess you wont have to wait a week for the next page...be that a good or bad thing.
2: Tsk tsk Aridas. Considering how the forum speculates EVERY possible outcome and its cousin, it is more likely than not some are going to get it right.
3: People are correct. The eyepatch is not a charm. In fact...it would be more a red herring than anything. I didnt' even realize that Aniz taking off the eyepatch as the same time he was changing back would look like they were related until I was adding the words. Hence the top-rant commentary. Not that it matters...cause it will get mentioned proper in story.
Sometimes things are just things, and coincidences are just that. Not every single thing in the world is an implication or a deeper meaning.
Quote from: Amber Williams on April 28, 2007, 01:13:26 AMI didnt' even realize that Aniz taking off the eyepatch
Names!
:U
Quote from: Keaton the Black Jackal on April 28, 2007, 01:03:40 AM
Quote from: LoneHowler on April 28, 2007, 01:02:11 AM
Hah I said it the eye patch was a patch! to bad he tuned all evil
I'm pretty sure that Amber said it wasn't a patch in the title of her newest rant.
Just saying.
~Keaton the Black Jackal
I think Rafe just said it. Get a clue. And get with the evil.
I'm beginning to wonder about Cid's complete change of personality and the fact that he seemed to be in genuine pain just before he ripped the patch off. I think his cubi personality was magically caged by the eye patch, now the questions are why, who did it and how come?
SWEET! More Abel's story!
I still love it! I love plot twists like the last half dozen pages have been, jerking you left and right, giving you whiplash, and then knocking you out cold with one final punch you never even saw coming!
I don't even care that we're going to have to re-figure Cid again! The ride, the sudden jolt of adrenaline, was worth every moment!
On that note, I can't help but notice that Aniz's ears look odd... probably a side-effect of the shape-shifting effect, but I'm looking forward to the rest of the unmasking.
Quote from: LoneHowler on April 28, 2007, 01:17:48 AM
I'm beginning to wonder about Cid's complete change of personality and the fact that he seemed to be in genuine pain just before he ripped the patch off. I think his cubi personality was magically caged by the eye patch, now the questions are why, who did it and how come?
oops missed Ambers post while I was writing now I ask why did he play his family like that for years
Quote from: Amber Williams on April 28, 2007, 01:13:26 AM2: Tsk tsk Aridas. Considering how the forum speculates EVERY possible outcome and its cousin, it is more likely than not some are going to get it right.
Search your feelings... you know it to be true...
Ok, I had my fun. :3
Quote from: LoneHowler on April 28, 2007, 01:17:48 AMI'm beginning to wonder about Cid's complete change of personality and the fact that he seemed to be in genuine pain just before he ripped the patch off. I think his cubi personality was magically caged by the eye patch, now the questions are why, who did it and how come?
Note: Cid's eye patch has been changed. In 03 (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Abel_05.php), it was deep green.
... crap. There goes my hope it wasn't one of the parents. Oh well.
*waits to see what all the fallout is*
edit - maybe this 'cubi feeds off the feeling of betrayal? (He'd make a nice stenographer for divorce court I think.)
well, one of Abel's favorite flavors is confusion, and judging from some things Dr. Ink has said, I suspect that kind of thing is hereditary in Cubi(Dan's affinity for pain comes from his mother's clan, not necessarily from any adventuring he himself took place in). Based on that, I'd suspect Aniz has a taste for confusion, as well, and as someone pointed out in another Abel's Story discussion thread, there's been plenty of confusion flying around lately, both in the story and on the boards.
Quote from: Gornemant on April 28, 2007, 12:16:18 AM
Well, either Cid has a weird complex, or Cid's been dead for many years and that guy just took his place out of fun >:3
Stay tuned and don't miss next week's episode :P
I can't wait a week!!
Put the main strip on hold and do Only Abel's story updates!!
Thats my vote anyhow...
Ok maybe the reason Abel's wings are half spiky is his mom is ether a demon or a dragon. poor Abel living in a house of lies. the reason I suspect demon is here http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Abel_19.php.
If the Cid is Dan's father theory's are true Dragon because he may hate his parents after that
Quote from: Kattuccino on April 28, 2007, 12:23:53 AM
Abel had said something to Dan about his father. There's gotta be something we don't know about here.
http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_527.php
Reference comic
I have always wondered about that.. ever sence that page came out...
Quote from: Aurawyn on April 28, 2007, 01:34:25 AM
Put the main strip on hold and do Only Abel's story updates!!
Thats my vote anyhow...
Not mine! It's pretty clear this is hard on Amber. I think we need some happy DMFA to balance out the shocking revelations in Abel's Story.
That, and the Queen Mab arc looks like it'll be fun, too.
:dface
Simply, amazingly, beautifully, tragically...perfect. If the smack be sour, the better for the embittered hour...
Simply, the best I have read yet.
Hmm Cid and Aniz bo look similer but there are plenty of differances
the ears, chest, paws, and eyes.
but I'm positive that for atleast as long as we've known him Cid has always been Aniz.
before we came along who knows
As for Aniz and Edward the only similaritys I see are that they are male felines with beards
differnt base coats, differnt ears
Quote from: The Lurking Dragon on April 28, 2007, 01:24:35 AM... crap. There goes my hope it wasn't one of the parents. Oh well.
Er...? Wouldn't his incubus/succubus parent have to be his parent?
Anyways, I'm still wondering what Aniz's motivation is.
For example, why would Cid tell May that `cubi can hide their headwings? If he's going for the mindf**k, it would make more sense to simply say that he can sense `cubi as an adventurer. And given Hennya's total knowledge on the subject, it's likely that he wouldn't want to give either of them any more information that might be helpful.
Aniz may be powerful, but it's a being, an incubus, and a mythos against one incubus. Not time for the ol' hand-chafing supervillain gloat-and-explain-the-plot.
I'm still wondering why he slapped her. As far as I can see, there's no reason to do that. It's simply audience pandering. Like how certain porn fic authors will suggest positions and actions that are uncomfortable for the participants, but are arousing for the readers (I went there before, but I wanted to make the analogy clearer so that people don't think I'm just trash talking).
If Aniz wanted certain emotions, this is a strange way of getting them. If he is, then he doesn't seem to be going after one particular emotion, but a rapid succession of different ones. I think he just knocked the confusion right outta May, for example.
Aniz killed Cid recently is looking to be a good theory.
Quote from: Fuyudenki on April 28, 2007, 01:39:54 AMNot mine! It's pretty clear this is hard on Amber. I think we need some happy DMFA to balance out the shocking revelations in Abel's Story.
Yeah, but 783 (ETA Friday) is not going to be happy.
Does Aniz have any ribbon candy? :B
:U :erk
That's a plot twist
QuoteAniz killed Cid recently is looking to be a good theory.
Not sure about that
QuoteWhen I said it was either the mother or the father... I never lied once.
I understand from what he said that either it's been him since the beggining or at least for several years.
Quote from: superluser on April 28, 2007, 01:55:48 AM
Quote from: The Lurking Dragon on April 28, 2007, 01:24:35 AM... crap. There goes my hope it wasn't one of the parents. Oh well.
Er...? Wouldn't his incubus/succubus parent have to be his parent?
Anyways, I'm still wondering what Aniz's motivation is.
For example, why would Cid tell May that `cubi can hide their headwings? If he's going for the mindf**k, it would make more sense to simply say that he can sense `cubi as an adventurer. And given Hennya's total knowledge on the subject, it's likely that he wouldn't want to give either of them any more information that might be helpful.
Aniz may be powerful, but it's a being, an incubus, and a mythos against one incubus. Not time for the ol' hand-chafing supervillain gloat-and-explain-the-plot.
I'm still wondering why he slapped her. As far as I can see, there's no reason to do that. It's simply audience pandering. Like how certain porn fic authors will suggest positions and actions that are uncomfortable for the participants, but are arousing for the readers (I went there before, but I wanted to make the analogy clearer so that people don't think I'm just trash talking).
If Aniz wanted certain emotions, this is a strange way of getting them. If he is, then he doesn't seem to be going after one particular emotion, but a rapid succession of different ones. I think he just knocked the confusion right outta May, for example.
Aniz killed Cid recently is looking to be a good theory.
Quote from: Fuyudenki on April 28, 2007, 01:39:54 AMNot mine! It's pretty clear this is hard on Amber. I think we need some happy DMFA to balance out the shocking revelations in Abel's Story.
Yeah, but 783 (ETA Friday) is not going to be happy.
Does Aniz have any ribbon candy? :B
Recently? Cid had to have been Abel's father. And Abel's hatred of cubi who assume completely alternate identities? I'm guessing there is no real "Cid" here. Sad, because I liked the character.
As to why he slapped her? He's obviously a jerk. I'm guessing he despises beings, which is why he probably led the massacre against Dev and co.
Edit: anyone wanna bet the person he was saying he ran into was Kria? Also, going back and reading the archives knowing who Cid is is creepy.
To me, it almost looks like Aniz was doing some kind of posession with Cid from the time he had Abel.
Maybe Cid was none the wiser until now, and the heart attack was really Aniz taking full control and kind of "killing" Cid in the process of taking his body or something?
Yeah, that theory's way the hell out in left field, but it almost makes sense if you look at the cues. That, or I've just drawn a conclusion from sketchy details. :)
But it just seems like there would be no reason for him to reveal himself as a Cubi by faking a heart attack, then not using it for any reason other then to smack May which he could have done without the whole heart attack thing. I really think that heart attack is Aniz kind of taking Cid over or something.
I'm kinda hoping may is also not simply a being, and then maybe a springeresque fight breaks out. It could happen :<
Btw, a good reason to pretend having a heart attack is to CATCH SOMEONE OFF GUARD. especially if you're going to maim or kill someone.
I swear I remembered reading that the cubi trait could skip generations and manifest in people that didn't have an immediate relative that was a cubi. In this case though, obviously it isn't. (the case.) That's all I meant.
Quote from: Aridas Soulfire on April 28, 2007, 02:15:37 AM
I'm kinda hoping may is also not simply a being, and then maybe a springeresque fight breaks out. It could happen :<
Btw, a good reason to pretend having a heart attack is to CATCH SOMEONE OFF GUARD. especially if you're going to maim or kill someone.
True enough.
Plus, since the lifespan is at least several thousand years, a Cubi pretending to be somebody could fufill that identity for a being's lifetime without much of a problem. I'd assums that they would have learned a lot of patience.
Quote from: Kattuccino on April 28, 2007, 02:10:44 AMRecently? Cid had to have been Abel's father. And Abel's hatred of cubi who assume completely alternate identities? I'm guessing there is no real "Cid" here. Sad, because I liked the character.
As to why he slapped her? He's obviously a jerk. I'm guessing he despises beings, which is why he probably led the massacre against Dev and co.
Edit: anyone wanna bet the person he was saying he ran into was Kria? Also, going back and reading the archives knowing who Cid is is creepy.
Let me explain `recently.' Actually, let me explain that in conjunction with the slapping question.
So Aniz hates beings, right? Why did he have sex with one, sire a child that he knew was going to be an incubus, *and then live with a being for the next twenty-four years*? It gets even stranger with the ``Aniz is Devin's father'' story. Why would he play the field, to the exclusion of trying to have more kids with May? It's not exactly like she could say no. All he'd have to do is reach into her mind and figure out what arguments she was going to use, and I guarantee that he would win the argument.
Also, it makes little sense to build up a strong relationship if you plan to destroy it. It never hurts to have a little maudlin being telling the lynch mob, ``No! You can't hurt him! I *love* him.'' It might not help in Zinvth (or maybe it would--like a little puppy), but he might not live there forever.
I also suspect that domestic violence laws in Zinvth are pretty strong, and they wouldn't exactly be intimidated by an incubus.
20 years of this act. You've now reached "Drip" status in the level of assholery.
:) He's kinda cute, in an evil way. :giggle
*wanders off to create a new sig* >:3
Man, where did I leave my Prodigy CD.
Now I HAVE to listen to it.
Quote from: superluser on April 28, 2007, 02:30:03 AM
Quote from: Kattuccino on April 28, 2007, 02:10:44 AMRecently? Cid had to have been Abel's father. And Abel's hatred of cubi who assume completely alternate identities? I'm guessing there is no real "Cid" here. Sad, because I liked the character.
As to why he slapped her? He's obviously a jerk. I'm guessing he despises beings, which is why he probably led the massacre against Dev and co.
Edit: anyone wanna bet the person he was saying he ran into was Kria? Also, going back and reading the archives knowing who Cid is is creepy.
Let me explain `recently.' Actually, let me explain that in conjunction with the slapping question.
So Aniz hates beings, right? Why did he have sex with one, sire a child that he knew was going to be an incubus, *and then live with a being for the next twenty-four years*? It gets even stranger with the ``Aniz is Devin's father'' story. Why would he play the field, to the exclusion of trying to have more kids with May? It's not exactly like she could say no. All he'd have to do is reach into her mind and figure out what arguments she was going to use, and I guarantee that he would win the argument.
Also, it makes little sense to build up a strong relationship if you plan to destroy it. It never hurts to have a little maudlin being telling the lynch mob, ``No! You can't hurt him! I *love* him.'' It might not help in Zinvth (or maybe it would--like a little puppy), but he might not live there forever.
I also suspect that domestic violence laws in Zinvth are pretty strong, and they wouldn't exactly be intimidated by an incubus.
Why would he have had a kid with a being? Maybe to propagate the 'Cubi line, maybe not. But I have a feeling that Aniz likes pain. Okay, he might not _hate_ beings, but all those years with May and he clearly does not seem to have feelings to her. He may be sadistic and enjoy pain, which is also why he may have feigned the heart attack -- the pain from May might have pleased him.
I also don't think "Cid" is real for two reasons --
1) In the hugely diverse world of furrae, it's pretty coincidental that May would find someone who looks a lot like her when we havn't seen anybody else in DMFA who has those kind of ears, and especially in the same color. May and Cid looked like they could have been brother and sister
2) Looking back, Cid seems too good to be true. A reliable, hardworking, loving man who wouldn't question why his son would have wings? And he agreed to move to Zinvth right away -- not something an adventurer would do. He just seemed too perfect. But that's up for opinion.
OH, and also, wasn't Dan's dad an adventurer too?
:mowninja
These recent events brought me to the boards... I'm totally interested in seeing what happens now.
Though I really do enjoy the Abel Story - so I really hope that Amber doesn't feel bad for going in the route that she has. It makes for a very interesting storyline. ^_^
:) *pokes the new sig*
Its the best I could do in such a short ammount of time. *yawn* I'll come up with a better one tomorrow maybe... or once I get a different image of this cutie :giggle
Ah well, off to bed for meeeee! *crashes*
Amber, this comic made me get around to registering for the new Forum just so I could say...
Bravo, well done.
Quote from: Huttj on April 28, 2007, 03:16:58 AM
Amber, this comic made me get around to registering for the new Forum just so I could say...
Bravo, well done.
I concur! :D
And Moonfrost - totally agree with you there too.
I'm not smart enough to join in the speculation, but I just wanted to say - and I joined the forums just now specifically for this purpose -
O_O Death. By. Awesome.
Holy heck, Mrs. Williams. You are a storytelling ninja.
um I know this sounds crazy but maybe he forgot he was a cubi or something and then suddenly remembered as a wave of memories came flooding back and he turned back to his evil ways :3
after all earlier he was about accusing May of cheating on him somehow and know we know he is a cubi
ALSO if you read the Demonology 101 on cubi it says that cubi can die by normal means unless stroung enough
which just happens to include heart attacks and memory loss :3
Oh my gods. That was totally amazing. Killing Cid off, I could imagine that upsetting Amber. I wrote a couple of things in CJP which brought me to exactly the same crossroads that Amber is describing. But this? This is amazing. The only thing I've done that comes close to what she's pulled off here is the twist in 'Future History' and in my case I went with Fuyudenki's "grinning and giggling".
Maybe Amber's freaking because something really nasty is going to happen in the next strip (like Aniz killing May - or worse).
Looks like this could be some fun voicework for Shadrok >:3
**EDIT**
And this is one rant that I will be saving for posterity. In fact it might be worth sticking in this thread for future reference, if Amber will let us.
NO, I think I finally figured out the purpose of the heart attack.
It was the symbolic death of Cid.
Aniz, I believe, is an actor. And he couldn't just leave his role uncompleted. I think he had been acting all along, for whatever reason (could have been an assignment, or perverse pleasure, or having a child -- whatever), but he had fulfilled his role of Cid so well that nobody could have known, not even his wife, that he was somebody different.
I don't think you just cast aside a role like that flippantly. I believe Aniz had ended the "role" of Cid by "killing off" the character. I believe he wanted a sense of completion, for whatever reason. Now he is no longer playing the role of this character he has created, which is why he had transformed and is acting like what I believe his normal self is like -- a jerk.
Why end it right there? Because the role of Cid would have been impossible knowing that Abel was a Cubi. Think about it -- Aniz probably wanted to stay true to the character. And Cid coming home and finding his son was an incubus? It wouldn't have fit with reality. Cid being a being and Abel being an incubus would have been impossible now that May had ensured Cid that Abel was his son.
Thus the character of Cid could not hold up with reality any more and it had to die.
(going to bed now that I've really gone off the deep end with my speculation)
Edit: And yeah, I think May's going to die. I don't even know how much Aniz cares for Abel at this point since he isn't acting like he does. Maybe he just wanted a son because more clan members = more powerful magic for Cubi in that clan or something. No idea.
Edit Again: Maybe Aniz was being forced into playing the role of Cid and the "curse" was lifted when the role of Cid no longer was in tune with reality. Maybe that is why he had a Cubi child because that was the only way he could escape playing the role? Actually, this one I don't even believe, it's just a thought.
Another person who delurked and registered just to post on this topic.
So Cid is a cubi, and either always was, or has had his identity stolen for a long time.
Anyone else wondering how much of his "adventuring" was a cover to go out and kill lots of people? Or to meet with other cubi and make plots or something?
Quote from: Cathowl on April 28, 2007, 03:49:51 AM
Another person who delurked and registered just to post on this topic.
So Cid is a cubi, and either always was, or has had his identity stolen for a long time.
Anyone else wondering how much of his "adventuring" was a cover to go out and kill lots of people? Or to meet with other cubi and make plots or something?
Or if the real Cid was off adventuring and got pod personed.
Quote from: Cathowl on April 28, 2007, 03:49:51 AM
Anyone else wondering how much of his "adventuring" was a cover to go out and kill lots of people? Or to meet with other cubi and make plots or something?
Whatever he did, it brought in the cash. More so than shipbuilding did. Of course he might have been some kind of highwayman - not too shabby a career if you can shapeshift >:3
Quote from: Kattuccino on April 28, 2007, 03:07:20 AM
Why would he have had a kid with a being? Maybe to propagate the 'Cubi line, maybe not. But I have a feeling that Aniz likes pain. Okay, he might not _hate_ beings, but all those years with May and he clearly does not seem to have feelings to her. He may be sadistic and enjoy pain, which is also why he may have feigned the heart attack -- the pain from May might have pleased him.
I think that you're missing another point, it's very possible for 'Cubi to feed of other Cubi. He could be feeding off BOTH May and Abel. I know 'Cubi don't just look for food ALL the time, but if he's needing souls for something (maybe he needed a new desklamp filled with ultimate pain and betrayal?) two would be better than one?
It could be a kind of trophy thing - Aary kept a knight's soul in a cup or something if I recall correctly.
EDIT: I forgot to say this. OMG OMG OMG WOW AAAAAA *gasps* Amazing storytelling.
That is all.
*I am seen holding ace down as he growls.* Ace: LEt me at that bastard!!
Me: Ace control yourself! can someone tranq Ace before he goes into rage mode?!
Doraion: o_o; Ummmm, yeah as you can see Aniz struck a nerve in Ace really hard. Also this is a big plot twist amber, not even Chris could get a hunch about it. :mowhappy
Quote from: Cathowl on April 28, 2007, 03:49:51 AM
Anyone else wondering how much of his "adventuring" was a cover to go out and kill lots of people? Or to meet with other cubi and make plots or something?
Thinking about it, he did do
some good honest adventuring, at least at some point - May points out to Sally that he's saved the village on numerous occasions. ('Course he could have been defending his territory or just asking the other Creature politely to go away or something...)
Personally I think this was a awesome turn for the story. Surprise, suspence and a hell of a plot twist...a ploit twist so groundshaking, it made me delurk...
the writer in me applauds
kudos amber
Kudos.
also, this news about cid being killed doesnt make sense....if he had been killed years before, would abel even be born, much less a incubus?
:O
Plot twist!
All right, where's his clan marking, and how the hell did he manage to hide it from May or prevent her from noticing it was the same tattoo as on Abel?
I'll assume he's noticed Abel's mark himself but has been happily ignoring it until Abel's headwings made the charade untenable...
When I first saw this weeks I went:
...
?!?!?!
CRAPPIT I WAS RIGHT.
Somewhat.
It may be recalled a while back I suspected that certainly Devin and Xander being killed might be linked to his habit of being a loner, very much himself to himself which this really seems to enforce further o-o I also suspect the "friend" he met was Kria since the others the "hand" was with are either dead or still running like a mad pogostick. That and hai ho hater of the alternate idenity and can we honestly blame him?
I'm going with the Cid was replaced theory but sure as heck not recently, it's a bit of a wonder at least from this weeks, did she ever know the REAL Cid at all or just an act? God all I can say is poor May for getting whacked, Abel from the Trauma and Hennya as I can't help but suspect she might not get out of this as easy.
Quote from: Tapewolf on April 28, 2007, 04:35:12 AM
All right, where's his clan marking, and how the hell did he manage to hide it from May or prevent her from noticing it was the same tattoo as on Abel?
I'll assume he's noticed Abel's mark himself but has been happily ignoring it until Abel's headwings made the charade untenable...
:shapeshifters
If they can change their entire appearance, hiding a clan marking should be no problem.
Now I hope the bastard gets his headwings ripped off. Don't mess with spotty mom!
From all speculations..Thus this one spawned a right one. Anyhow I smell danger and lots of crying for my speculations and maybe a battle of wits and claws. And its...4:48 AM by my watches on my arm...Anyhow...Be safe out there kids...*yawns and curl up with a soft Amber plush*
Quote from: Vidar on April 28, 2007, 04:46:39 AM
Quote from: Tapewolf on April 28, 2007, 04:35:12 AM
All right, where's his clan marking, and how the hell did he manage to hide it from May or prevent her from noticing it was the same tattoo as on Abel?
I'll assume he's noticed Abel's mark himself but has been happily ignoring it until Abel's headwings made the charade untenable...
:shapeshifters
If they can change their entire appearance, hiding a clan marking should be no problem.
I quote from Demonology 101:
Quote from: Demo101All cubis belong to particular clans, and their symbol appears soon after the Cubi begins to use magic. It is the one marking a Cubi can't alter thus a good way to spot a cubi would be to find their marking.
Quote from: Kattuccino on April 28, 2007, 03:48:36 AM
Aniz, I believe, is an actor. And he couldn't just leave his role uncompleted. I think he had been acting all along, for whatever reason (could have been an assignment, or perverse pleasure, or having a child -- whatever), but he had fulfilled his role of Cid so well that nobody could have known, not even his wife, that he was somebody different.
The backdrops peel and the sets give way and the cast get eaten by the play
There's a murderer in the matinee, there are dead men in the aisles
And the patrons and the actors too are uncertain if the show is through
And with sidelong looks await their cue, but the frozen mask just smiles--This Vicious Cabaret / V for Vendetta EP / Alan Moore and David J
As for Vidar's question, Dard has beaten me to it, but I can just imagine Jakob looking at him with his twisted smile and saying "You didn't think I'd let you use my own emoticon against me, did you?"
Quote from: Indilee on April 28, 2007, 03:09:23 AM
These recent events brought me to the boards... I'm totally interested in seeing what happens now.
Quote from: Huttj on April 28, 2007, 03:16:58 AM
Amber, this comic made me get around to registering for the new Forum just so I could say...
Quote from: s0ck_ninja on April 28, 2007, 03:23:45 AM
and I joined the forums just now specifically for this purpose -
Quote from: wolf_shaman on April 28, 2007, 04:27:24 AM
a ploit twist so groundshaking, it made me delurk...
Damn. You guys are all sprouting out of the woodwork today.
Welcome, all four of you. :-]
Amber: Well done. I can see how it must have been hard, but, stick with the muse. Stick with the muse. :-]
Quote from: Doraion on April 28, 2007, 04:00:37 AM
*I am seen holding ace down as he growls.* Ace: LEt me at that bastard!!
Me: Ace control yourself! can someone tranq Ace before he goes into rage mode?!
Doraion: o_o; Ummmm, yeah as you can see Aniz struck a nerve in Ace really hard. Also this is a big plot twist amber, not even Chris could get a hunch about it. :mowhappy
Doraion. Rule 6, #C. Roleplaying. In the Haunted Ballroom
only. Do not make me say this twice.
I see nothing but bad things happening. We have two potential targets for grievous harm and possible death (as we know that Abel can't die obviously). There's been a running theme in this story that happiness is punished swiftly and harshly. And somehow I just don't see a certain wedding happening in the future.
For all we know it was Cid / Aniz who pulled May's strings to get it sounding like it was her idea to move to Zinvth. Whatever that case though, I think Cid, if there ever really was such a person, has been gone for a very long time.
And above all else, a hearty round of applause for Amber. This is the mother of all plot twists, and who better to tell it?
and yet another coming out of the darkness to post...
some how I don't think that Aniz has been playing Cid the entire time in comic 14, May "reminds" Abel's principal how Cid often saves the town... http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Abel_14.php
Maybe that is Aniz's love of pain though... and killing his own kind is a gross thrill
Quote from: llearch's Big Black Boots on April 28, 2007, 05:52:47 AM
Quote from: Doraion on April 28, 2007, 04:00:37 AM
*I am seen holding ace down as he growls.* Ace: LEt me at that bastard!!
Me: Ace control yourself! can someone tranq Ace before he goes into rage mode?!
Doraion: o_o; Ummmm, yeah as you can see Aniz struck a nerve in Ace really hard. Also this is a big plot twist amber, not even Chris could get a hunch about it. :mowhappy
Doraion. Rule 6, #C. Roleplaying. In the Haunted Ballroom only. Do not make me say this twice.
Wasn't he one of the ones doing it on the old forum like alondro does?
Quote from: Aridas Soulfire on April 28, 2007, 06:33:47 AMWasn't he one of the ones doing it on the old forum like alondro does?
Maybe so, but Alondro obtained permission to do so prior to the move.
Quote from: LoneHowler on April 28, 2007, 01:17:48 AM
I'm beginning to wonder about Cid's complete change of personality and the fact that he seemed to be in genuine pain just before he ripped the patch off. I think his cubi personality was magically caged by the eye patch, now the questions are why, who did it and how come?
The patch theory has been discarded but the rest of the question stays. Even IF "Cid" faked anxiety to archive maximum confusion, there wouldn't really be a need to cover the revelation with some kind of jekyll-style transformation. Except if he has a REALLY sick kind of humor ... okay, it is a cubus, nevermind then...
Quote from: Grenn on April 28, 2007, 02:11:10 AM
To me, it almost looks like Aniz was doing some kind of posession with Cid from the time he had Abel.
Maybe Cid was none the wiser until now, and the heart attack was really Aniz taking full control and kind of "killing" Cid in the process of taking his body or something?
That's how it looked for me too. Even though cubi would begin to REALLY scare me if they were able to do things like that.
"Alien", DMFA style anyone? (http://www.joysandsorrows.co.uk/forum/images/smilies/SmileyHide.gif)
O noes! cid is now pretty! you know what this means!?
To Teh fanart mobile!
I just had a very evil thought
What if May was some sort of teaching tool for cubi. They would impersonate Cid and if May couldn't figure out that they weren't Cid then they would pass. Cid could still be alive and Aniz would just be the next cubi replacing him. If this is true than anyone could be Abel's father. This may explain why May never recognized the clan marking. She could have only met Abel's father once.
One reason I can see that Aniz would use the back handed b!#ch slap on May would be to shut her up. She was in rant mode and he probably just didn't want to hear it. This of coarse puts Aniz way into the upper echelons of Jerk-dom.
Quote from: Meech on April 28, 2007, 07:19:38 AM
What if May was some sort of teaching tool for cubi. They would impersonate Cid and if May couldn't figure out that they weren't Cid then they would pass. Cid could still be alive and Aniz would just be the next cubi replacing him. If this is true than anyone could be Abel's father.
Oh, I like that idea. It's horrible, but dead original.
Quote from: King Of Hearts on April 28, 2007, 07:17:49 AM
O noes! cid is now pretty! you know what this means!?
I do not like this idea so much...
precisely! I'll do the old man version!
Woooooo quite the plot twist, this is going to be very interesting.
Two words come to mind after reading this comic...
OH SNAP!
<O.O>
Knew it, called it, and wish I was wrong.
...the red wings look extremely cool. Any chance of getting a full, large shot of Aniz in his completely non-shapeshifted form?
*silence as everybody stares*
Oh yeah, I guess I'm back xD
I'll post in the Villa sometime today for the full "Where were you?" answer and such. :P
Just a thought. Could Aniz have been under a spell and really thought he was Cid, with the appearance of Abel's headwings or the questioning of Mae's faithfulness being the thing that would break the spell?
Also, when he says "When I said it was either the mother or the father... I never lied once," is he implying that Mae is also a succubus (who also could be under a spell). Or is he saying he lied twice, because Abel's father is not who she thought he was.
Not mention, if he wasn't under a spell, is it possible the real Cid is still alive? Even now, the real Cid could be buying screws to fix that door. Meanwhile this jerk's been popping in and out of Cid's house for years to cuckold his wife. Probably how he gets his Cubi jollies.
He's got good choice in headwing colors.
Oh my, but speculation's running rampant!
Time to add my own, by replyng to someone I know...
Quote from: MaskedRetriever on April 28, 2007, 12:45:53 AM
Of course if Cid has *always* been an Incubus that raises some VERY puzzling queries now don't it.
Yes, yes it does.
Me, I'm going for the obvious: Aniz invented "Cid" solely for the purpose of getting close enough to his "prey" to fully eat its soul. And if doing so takes a few decades, so what? Remember what Amber has said about the power-up that 'cubi can get from eating a soul. Since strong 'cubi live millenia, what's a couple of decades of waiting?
I'll also go for obvious #2: Kria's "demon-lessons" are unrelated to Aniz, and vice-versa. (Why would an incubus be teaching a demon? Heck, do demons even get along with 'cubi?)
Which raises an interesting question: what happens when Kria shows up to check in on Abel?
Oh, heck, I'll bite. Obvious #3: Although...
:shapeshifters
can't they sense their own kind?
Quote from: Huttj on April 28, 2007, 03:16:58 AM
Amber, this comic made me get around to registering for the new Forum just so I could say...
Bravo, well done.
Same here.
My own reaction to this update?
Holy farging schmidt!
*Charles bleaches again* Ooo! The eyepatch is like Zaraki Kenpachi from Bleach and, like, held most of his powers... cuz it was a little monster that kept consuming the power, which Dr. Ink made for him! That's how he could hide himself! :B
*Charline* :rolleyes Yes, and Abel's swords are his zanpaktou release, since he's obviously a vizard. The likely answer is that Cid never existed, that is a logical conclusion since Abel's father is now quite obviously the cubi. However, it could have been a cuckoo-like scenario and Cid was merely killed off recently when the cubi returned at the approximate time his offspring would be developing cubi abilities if the heritage was... uhm... inherited. Yeah... :B
Quick word of advice, Candide, don't do two consecutive posts like that. The admins won't like it :P
As for the soul-eating thing, that's possible but it depends what his goals are. The general impression I'm getting is that generally only the really power-hungry ones go in for it.
Now, referring back to eyepatch..
yes, of course it could be something magical, but amber already denied. chances are aniz just put it on to make himself look like cid (perhaps looting it from cid's presumably dead body, if that's not the cid we know). It could be some sort of amulet, yet cubi can change thier physical appearance, so i doubt he would need an amulet.
:shapeshifters
And, it couldn't be a patch, Jyrras invented them, and he was born at least 100 years after these events took place.
.... :ipod
Quote from: Kattuccino on April 28, 2007, 03:07:20 AMWhy would he have had a kid with a being? Maybe to propagate the 'Cubi line, maybe not. But I have a feeling that Aniz likes pain. Okay, he might not _hate_ beings, but all those years with May and he clearly does not seem to have feelings to her.
Twenty five years of lying in wait for ten minutes of pain.
Dude deserves to starve if that's his investment philosophy.
Quote from: Kattuccino on April 28, 2007, 03:07:20 AM1) In the hugely diverse world of furrae, it's pretty coincidental that May would find someone who looks a lot like her when we havn't seen anybody else in DMFA who has those kind of ears, and especially in the same color. May and Cid looked like they could have been brother and sister
...Or Devin, or Devin's mom, or Devin's uncle, or Kammi. It looks to be something pretty common in that region.
Quote from: Kattuccino on April 28, 2007, 03:48:36 AMNO, I think I finally figured out the purpose of the heart attack.
It was the symbolic death of Cid.
Aniz, I believe, is an actor. And he couldn't just leave his role uncompleted. I think he had been acting all along, for whatever reason (could have been an assignment, or perverse pleasure, or having a child -- whatever), but he had fulfilled his role of Cid so well that nobody could have known, not even his wife, that he was somebody different.
I don't think so. If Aniz wanted to end the character, he had other options, some much more dramatic. For example--Cid/Aniz dies, and Aniz plays dead long enough to switch bodies. May winds up putting daisies on his grave for years to come. The icing could come one day when Aniz meets May at his grave. He confronts her and reveals himself to be Cid. May is confused and offended, and Cid shifts to prove it. May doesn't believe him and keeps putting daisies on Cid's grave for years to come.
Much more painful, much more confusing, much more delicious.
Also, remember that if Aniz is trying to perpetuate his line, it's likely that he would have tried to have more kids with May.
Finally, one more bit for the Aniz hasn't been around until recently theory.
Let's say that Aniz went twenty-five years planning this moment. Let's read from his notes:
Quote from: AnizOn that blessed day when Abel receives his headwings, I shall make sure that May finds Abel before me. I shall enter May's house--*my* house--talking about something trivial and other than any serious matter. Perhaps I shall refer to meeting a friend. When I see Abel, I shall be taken aback and seem to be looking for an exit to get help. May will try to comfort me, and I shall confront her about Abel's true heritage. Then I shall suggest that May has been unfaithful. With luck, I should be able to seduce her in another personality before our marriage, to increase her guilt. She will argue with me, and then I shall clutch my chest as though I am having a heart attack. This will make May come out of her anger and begin to relent in her anger. She will approach nearer and call out for help.
AND THEN I SLAPS HER AND SHE BLEEDS!
He's got long, elaborate plans for 20 years, and then he gets impulsive today. It doesn't make sense. Also, think back to Who's Afraid of Virginia Woolf. Cid/Aniz from 25 years ago looks more like George, while Cid/Aniz today looks like Martha.
There are two good options that I can see here:
1.) Cid was replaced 25 years ago by an incubus, possibly Aniz, who had a one night stand. Cid came back. Aniz replaced Cid today.
2.) Cid has a Jekyll and Hyde disorder, and Mr. Hyde knows all about Dr. Jekyll, but Dr. Jekyll knows nothing of Mr. Hyde.
I'd also like to point out that the last time I was concerned by a character's motivations (http://clockworkmansion.com/forum/index.php?topic=1638.msg65479#msg65479), everybody told me that I was wrong, but I turned out to be onto something.
Quote from: candide on April 28, 2007, 09:30:09 AMMe, I'm going for the obvious: Aniz invented "Cid" solely for the purpose of getting close enough to his "prey" to fully eat its soul.
Unless May finding out that Abel is an incubus is essential to him stealing her soul, I suspect that he would have devoured her soul long before Abel's headwings came in. It had the potential to throw a wrench into the gears otherwise.
Here are my thoughts.
First Cid walks in wounded, almost dead, and attacks Aniz, both die in the fight. It's never revealed why Anzi did what he did. May reveals that she is a cubi as Cid lay dieing.
Second Cid returns home from work or whereever he was to see what's going on. He goes to attack Anzi but May stops him, May then reveals she is a cubi. Anzi was sent there by the SAIA to either get her to come back and to tell her a message. (Could possible be May's brother)
Third Anzi really is Cid and May is really a demon and he knew it that's why he struck her. Might aswell make her reveal herself.
Fourth Anzi is jusy a dick and will kill May.
Fifth Destania shows up and saves May. Abel eventually falls in love with Destania. She just thinks it's cute and ends up with Ed.
Quote from: Daimien on April 28, 2007, 10:33:34 AM
Here are my thoughts.
First Cid walks in wounded, almost dead, and attacks Aniz, both die in the fight. It's never revealed why Anzi did what he did. May reveals that she is a cubi as Cid lay dieing.
Second Cid returns home from work or whereever he was to see what's going on. He goes to attack Anzi but May stops him, May then reveals she is a cubi. Anzi was sent there by the SAIA to either get her to come back and to tell her a message. (Could possible be May's brother)
Third Anzi really is Cid and May is really a demon and he knew it that's why he struck her. Might aswell make her reveal herself.
Fourth Anzi is jusy a dick and will kill May.
Fifth Destania shows up and saves May. Abel eventually falls in love with Destania. She just thinks it's cute and ends up with Ed.
First time poster here hehe.
But honestly, I seriously doubt that any of these could be possible. I mean, I would love for that to be true but if it where, it wouldn't really explains Abel's future demeanor of bitterness and anger towards other people. I really think "Cid" is just the cubi that cares nothing about anyone and is doing this for his sick little pleasures. After all, he did call ALL those adventurers and even wanted kiria to kill abel.
Oh, it also appears that Aniz is not Kria's instructor (http://clockworkmansion.com/forum/index.php?topic=2664.msg109882#msg109882). Doesn't mean that he's not one of Kria's fellow students.
P.S. I've been very critical of the writing for this strip, but I'd like to say that the concept of having Cid be the incubus is actually quite good. Keep that muse close to you when you're generating ideas. But maybe don't let it write for you?
Quote from: superluser on April 28, 2007, 10:50:46 AM
Oh, it also appears that Aniz is not Kria's instructor (http://clockworkmansion.com/forum/index.php?topic=2664.msg109882#msg109882). Doesn't mean that he's not one of Kria's fellow students.
Urr. I've just removed that suggestion from the wiki.
just a random note.... anyone else notice that Cid/Aniz's left headwing (our right) looks like its damaged? i wonder if thats just a product of 'still in mid-transformation scene' or if he was actually hurt. remember, thats the same side Cid had the scar on his face.
can't wait for more :)
Quote from: katzklaw on April 28, 2007, 11:05:41 AM
just a random note.... anyone else notice that Cid/Aniz's left headwing (our right) looks like its damaged? i wonder if thats just a product of 'still in mid-transformation scene' or if he was actually hurt. remember, thats the same side Cid had the scar on his face.
can't wait for more :)
Pretty sure it's in the process of reappearing.
Given what we now know about Abel's "Cubi Discovery Trauma" it's rather... deeper that he totally disrespects Dan's (extremely comparatively minor) trauma. "Oh Boo friggin' hoo, I had to find out I was really a cubi and allllll my friends were nothing but supportive and helpful! WOE IS ME!"
Also given all this if Jyrras ever *does* crack through Abel's defense mechanisms and get that hot Cubi lovin we all want him to get, Abel is going to turn into the most ludicrously overprotective basketcase in a hurry...
Quote from: superluser on April 28, 2007, 10:50:46 AM
Oh, it also appears that Aniz is not Kria's instructor (http://clockworkmansion.com/forum/index.php?topic=2664.msg109882#msg109882). Doesn't mean that he's not one of Kria's fellow students.
P.S. I've been very critical of the writing for this strip, but I'd like to say that the concept of having Cid be the incubus is actually quite good. Keep that muse close to you when you're generating ideas. But maybe don't let it write for you?
but if that is him with kria during the killings, how come she says "oh what are you going to do? flunk me?" doesn't sound like a fellow student to me..more like a mentor or teacher
oh and here is something that gets to me. If that is Aniz with her during those killings, Why or has she ever told Abel it was him that murdered his friends?
I'm also starting to wonder if maybe Abel's mom isn't also holding a secret as well. I mean, abel's wings really dont have just his dad written all over them they also appear draconic at the tips of them.
Eeeef... quite the comic o_o
Scariness. I hope everyone will be alright! (yes I know its the past and all.. ) >.>
I have to agree with Kattuccino here on this guy playing the role of "Cid" this whole time. He seems to be overly bloated with ego, and his charade was only done to prove a point, that he could do it. Its also possible that he has been playing multiple roles such as Devin's fathers role, just to challenge himself more.
This is why I think he would go around playing as multiple personalities instead of just "getting it on" with May as much as possible if his sole goal was to just further his blood line. Hes in it all for the challenge, to prove that he can do it.
Now that hes revealed himself I forsee atleast 3 outcomes of this:
1. He kills off May and Hennya, then tries to do his best Darth Vader impression to turn Abel over to the dark side. :mwaha
2. Kria shows up in the nick of time and we have an epic battle sequence of Aniz vs. Kria. The battle ends with Aniz being forced to retreat, but Kria is reluctant to chase after him because of how vunerable everyone else is at the moment. :)
3. Mab shows up, but its not the same Mab from the current timeline, its her in her past self that Fa'lina referred too in here. (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_581.php) Then again its possible that any character or form of character could be introduced here.
Regardless it'll be interesting to find out what happens, well done Amber. ;)
Quote from: Tapewolf on April 28, 2007, 06:40:51 AM
Quote from: Aridas Soulfire on April 28, 2007, 06:33:47 AMWasn't he one of the ones doing it on the old forum like alondro does?
Maybe so, but Alondro obtained permission to do so prior to the move.
No, Aridas. As Tapewolf says, Alondro is unique (in more ways than one, but still)
Alondro is the -only- person allowed to RP in Lost Lake. Other than that, nobody is allowed to RP anywhere outside the Haunted Ballroom.
Doraion -may- have RP'd on the old forum. As at last time I looked, he didn't have a licence to do so here.
Quote from: superluser on April 28, 2007, 10:29:10 AM
Unless May finding out that Abel is an incubus is essential to him stealing her soul, I suspect that he would have devoured her soul long before Abel's headwings came in. It had the potential to throw a wrench into the gears otherwise.
You forget, it is just as possible to enslave 'Cubi souls as well as Being souls. Aniz could be going after a double catch, and I'm sure Abel would be in suffering if he found out his 'father' was intending to use him as a power-up. Double whammy! Both May AND Abel!
Edit: Learn to trim your quotes, Reaver. Otherwise I'll trim them for you, and you won't want that, because I'll just trim your -entire- posts to nothing. -- llearch
Lets see how well my first crazy theory holds water.
First a review of the relevant facts.
- Cid, Edward, and Aniz all have a reasonably similar appearance(fur color at least)
- both Cid and Edward were adventures
- Abel appears to owe Edward for something (See #527 (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_527.php))
- Amber has said that Abel and Edward have not actually met
For this theory lets assume that Cid was an actual person, and Aniz killed him and pretended to be Cid. Lets say after Cid was married, but before Abel was conceived. Aniz has likely done this sort of think in the past, and will continue to do so in the future. He picks an adventure that looks reasonably similar to him, and kills them so he can pretend to be them. Aniz probably tried to kill Edward so he could impersonate him, but Edward got the better of him and killed Aniz. Lets say when Edward was married to his first wife, but before Alexi was conceived.(Don't want other siblings around that look normal) Abel somehow hears that Edward killed Aniz, and feels he owes Edward. It explains how Abel could owe Edward without having to ever meet him.
There it is, feel free to pick it to pieces.
I had things to say about some things by some people, but there are too many people with just plain wrong speculation for me to cover them all... I'm going to go take myself out back now and re-enact old yeller.
I suppose I have a few opinion and the run a little like this:
1) Aniz has been play CID for a very long time: The probably is no real CID.
2) Aniz has been using CID as a cover so that no one would suspect what he is really up to. You have to admit, when something starts going wrong in the area, you probably don't suspect the old adventurer with a wife and kid. Probably makes it easy to do "field excercises". :baghead
3) It's possible that the break in cover was caused by his son taking on Cubi appearance, not very good cover anymore if one of the two of you are Cubi.
4) I suspect that Kria is going to show some time soon, and that if Aniz was going to kill May quickly he would have done so already. :grave Though I could be wrong.
Aniz. Must. DIE! :boom And I'm with Kattucino. It makes a sick, depraved sort of sense that for Aniz, Abel's life is one huge sandbox. And I hate the bastard for it.
Quote from: solsolari on April 28, 2007, 12:47:25 PMif Aniz was going to kill May quickly he would have done so already.
He can't kill them/her without crushing their lives first with the truth of the fact that May's husband, Abel's father never really existed and they were just play things to amuse Aniz' own twisted ego. There's no satisfaction to him if they never knew why this happened in the first place, remember he's trying to prove what he's capable of. Someone has to know that this happened, even if they are soon to die he has to let someone know otherwise it would have been a colossal waste of his time.
I suspect the slap across the face was him demonstrating his ego, in that "How could you not have seen this coming? EXACTLY!" kind of mentality. Again, this explains Abel's beef with Cubi who assume complete alternate identities. He's the product of one of them...
Oh. My. Fucking. God.
I totally was not expecting this. I have already said that even though I was a staunch advocate of the "incubus tricked may" theory, I really wanted the "cid is a cubi" theory to be true. but not like this. Oh god, not like this.
And to think I actually said
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OH TEH NOES! Heart attack! DON'T DIE ON US, CID!
and now
this. This guy is an ASSHOLE. But this is exactly what good storytelling is supposed to do. Lull you into a false sense of security, then roundhouse kick you straight in the balls. And I mean that in a good way. I have more to say, but I gotta run, for now. Be back later tonight.
You know what would complete the whole dealie? May suddenly getting up as a Succubi and slamming Aniz through the wall for hitting him.
Teh Playeh getz played yo :p
*cough* sorry.
Quote from: MaskedRetriever on April 28, 2007, 11:16:55 AM
Also given all this if Jyrras ever *does* crack through Abel's defense mechanisms and get that hot Cubi lovin we all want him to get, Abel is going to turn into the most ludicrously overprotective basketcase in a hurry...
:giggle That would be fun to watch :giggle Not to mention totally cute!
Although, never as cute as Aniz <3
Drip was cute as well, but look how he turned out.
*sigh* why are my long important posts at the end of a page where they will get missed.
Quote from: Manawolf on April 28, 2007, 01:47:25 PM
Drip was cute as well, but look how he turned out.
Who is drip?
Quote from: Aridas Soulfire on April 28, 2007, 12:45:49 PM
I had things to say about some things by some people, but there are too many people with just plain wrong speculation for me to cover them all... I'm going to go take myself out back now and re-enact old yeller.
Well, you know, with this many different speculations, they can't all be right. :mowwink
And yes, I'm another one who delurked (if coming onto the forums for possibly the first time since y'all moved, if not the first time ever, counts as delurking) to say how wowed I am by the story and this update in particular. I had been thinking along terms of the disguised-cubi-one-night-stand, but this... this blows me away, and yet makes perfect sense in retrospect. You go, Amber. Kudos on being strong enough to make it the best story possible. Keep it up. :mowcookie
As for all the speculations and explanations, fascinating as it has been to read everyone's ideas, I don't think my blown-away brain is capable of much more than letting them all percolate and waiting patiently for the next update to see what happens.
Carry on, everyone. (As if you need my permission...) :mowtongue
(Quick OT comment: Good lord, how many smilies do you guys have? What are you planning to do, take over the world with them?) /OT
Quote from: Manawolf on April 28, 2007, 01:47:25 PM
Drip was cute as well, but look how he turned out.
I never liked Drip :( (If you're reffering to who I think you are)
Quote from: AndersW on April 28, 2007, 01:51:29 PM
Who is drip?
One of the character's in Dave Hopkin's rather disturbing comic strip 'Jack', I think.
Quote from: Kay Qy on April 28, 2007, 01:58:09 PM
And yes, I'm another one who delurked
My gods Amber, you've really excelled yourself this time. I've always been told it's the mark of a good writer if you can get people to become emotionally engaged in your story, and given that this single strip has added at least five new people to the forum, I would say you've done that in spades.
The horror:
(http://24.106.113.210/otown/rainbow_drip_R.jpg)
Guys.
Guys.
You have it all wrong.
Aniz clearly did it all for the lulz. I mean. Obviously.
PS. There are worse people and characters out there than Drip. I know it's maddening, but it's true. :V
Quote from: Tapewolf on April 28, 2007, 02:05:04 PM
Quote from: AndersW on April 28, 2007, 01:51:29 PM
Who is drip?
One of the character's in Dave Hopkin's rather disturbing comic strip 'Jack', I think.
He's the "Sin" in charge (?) of Lust. He's rather depraved, spends a lot of his time running Hell, and isn't much liked, for various very very obvious reasons (at least, once you read some of the strip)
Needless to say, the strip is Not Safe For Work. It's also likely to cause some people to be rather upset. Be warned.
Quote from: Tapewolf on April 28, 2007, 02:05:04 PM
My gods Amber, you've really excelled yourself this time. I've always been told it's the mark of a good writer if you can get people to become emotionally engaged in your story, and given that this single strip has added at least five new people to the forum, I would say you've done that in spades.
Seven, but who's counting? :-] And yes, once again, kudos to teh Masta.
Quote from: Kay Qy on April 28, 2007, 01:58:09 PM
(Quick OT comment: Good lord, how many smilies do you guys have? What are you planning to do, take over the world with them?) /OT
Ssshh, Pinky, they'll hear you.
Quote from: Zina on April 28, 2007, 02:20:45 PM
Guys.
Guys.
You have it all wrong.
Aniz clearly did it all for the lulz. I mean. Obviously.
PS. There are worse people and characters out there than Drip. I know it's maddening, but it's true. :V
He's still up their in atrocities.
Quote from: Zina on April 28, 2007, 02:20:45 PM
Guys.
Guys.
You have it all wrong.
Aniz clearly did it all for the lulz. I mean. Obviously.
ANIZ ... ZINA
Coincidence? I THINK NOT! *points*
Quote from: Kasarn on April 28, 2007, 02:41:50 PM
ANIZ ... ZINA
Coincidence? I THINK NOT! *points*
We don't know what 'his' base form looks like yet, either. >:3
(Having said that, if Cid was really a succubus she wouldn't have been able to conceive Abel).
Quote from: Kasarn on April 28, 2007, 02:41:50 PM
Quote from: Zina on April 28, 2007, 02:20:45 PM
Guys.
Guys.
You have it all wrong.
Aniz clearly did it all for the lulz. I mean. Obviously.
ANIZ ... ZINA
Coincidence? I THINK NOT! *points*
YOU FOUND ME OUT.
Time for my snazzy get-away.
Quote from: Zina on April 28, 2007, 02:46:44 PM
YOU FOUND ME OUT.
Time for my snazzy get-away.
... you have one? Where'd you get it?
I'm not falling for this .. this comic is obviously a spectacular double backwards shock twist done to fool us all!
Mark my words .. just wait .. you'll see just how wrong I am :mowtongue
Looking forward to next comic .. same mow time .. same mow channel :boogie
Well I did some research on the name Aniz, the name means "forgiver of offenses" and apparently it's a girls name, so he has an excuse for growing up mean...not that he should have one.
Quote from: Zina on April 28, 2007, 02:46:44 PM
Quote from: Kasarn on April 28, 2007, 02:41:50 PM
Quote from: Zina on April 28, 2007, 02:20:45 PM
Guys.
Guys.
You have it all wrong.
Aniz clearly did it all for the lulz. I mean. Obviously.
ANIZ ... ZINA
Coincidence? I THINK NOT! *points*
YOU FOUND ME OUT.
Time for my snazzy get-away.
o_o
Well, Aniz is still cute
Wait a minute, Aniz has red eyes and May has blue eyes. So how does Abel have 1 Blue and 1 Green eye?
Quote from: Moonfrost on April 28, 2007, 03:24:54 PM
Quote from: Zina on April 28, 2007, 02:46:44 PM
Quote from: Kasarn on April 28, 2007, 02:41:50 PM
Quote from: Zina on April 28, 2007, 02:20:45 PM
Guys.
Guys.
You have it all wrong.
Aniz clearly did it all for the lulz. I mean. Obviously.
ANIZ ... ZINA
Coincidence? I THINK NOT! *points*
YOU FOUND ME OUT.
Time for my snazzy get-away.
o_o
Well, Aniz is still cute
Meh, I liked the original young Cid better.
Oh, and the theory that Dan's dad killed Aniz? I like it, definitely. They still look too similar to be coincidence though, in my opinion.
Edit: And Amber has crafted this story well. It's hard to get me to hate a character, but she's done it.
I noticed this thred is the only one getting attention
Quote from: AndersW on April 28, 2007, 03:57:10 PM
Wait a minute, Aniz has red eyes and May has blue eyes. So how does Abel have 1 Blue and 1 Green eye?
Its possible Aniz wasn't working alone in all of this, regardless if he himself was aware of it. Kind of like a master and an apprentice, or atleast a partner in crime, someone to share his twisted acting experience with. Either this or Aniz has reached the point where he can influence his own DNA to force an outcome of his choosing on his offspring, which is unlikely. :rolleyes
Quote from: Moonfrost on April 28, 2007, 03:24:54 PM
Quote from: Zina on April 28, 2007, 02:46:44 PM
Quote from: Kasarn on April 28, 2007, 02:41:50 PM
Quote from: Zina on April 28, 2007, 02:20:45 PM
Guys.
Guys.
You have it all wrong.
Aniz clearly did it all for the lulz. I mean. Obviously.
ANIZ ... ZINA
Coincidence? I THINK NOT! *points*
YOU FOUND ME OUT.
Time for my snazzy get-away.
o_o
Well, Aniz is still cute
You said it. Now, I just wish that I could steal your signature...
And also; red eyes are caused by a lack of pigmentation in the eye, as far as I know. Or they may be an offshot of brown, seeing as how we're not dealing with human genetics here. In any case, Aniz may very well be carrying genes that would let Abel have the heterochromatic blue and green eyes. There is no way of saying that he could or couldn't be.
And ten bucks says that he's doing this out of revenge. Whether against Cid or May, I do not know, but...
:sigh So I guess that I'm the ONLY one who Is actually on Cid's/Aniz's side? (And no, it's not just because I agree with Moonfrost in that Aniz = Uber smex...)
For example, like superluser has said, I seriously don't believe that Aniz would seriously waste 25+ years of his life for this simple short period of time reaction. I mean even if you only did it for a couple of months, ( whole life:scam relationship ratio) How many of you would waste that much time building a relationship and whatnot, just to get a kick out of the reaction at the end, Much less for 25+ years.( I don't care if they live to be several thousand years old, that's still a long time and he would have slipped several times.)
Secondly, Of course Aniz had to be there the entire time. Last time I checked, Even if it's hidden, one of the parents still has to be a cubi, so i have no clue where all you people are getting this "ZOMG!!!11!!oneone!!1! Aniz must have killed Cid and taken his place before all this started!!!" reaction. I mean, seriously, none of you can realize that If his intention WAS to do this to May, You people act like Aniz wouldn't have been creative enough to make his own 'character' to play as. (( The 'there never really was a Cid' Believers excluded))
Thirdly I'm really not gonna buy into the "He never really loved May" Argument. I mean, he may be the best actor in the world or something, but otherwise, his past actions really don't scream 'Lack of love' to me...
Finally(For now) Random, but: I know that someone pointed out that Aniz's left (Our right) Headwing is kinda retarded... (maybe because he's still transforming, but still) but has anyone else noticed that for a cubi, He is somewhat lacking in... backwings...?
Edit: Woots! 8th delurker!!!
Dang... Edit 2: Oh, and My explination for the 'heart attack' that fits into this, is that he'd been in "Cid form" for so long that it... hurt...or something... when he was transforming back... No I still can't explain the slap...
*walks through the internet, boots tapping loudly on the unwashed tiles, then comes to a stop at this comic*
huh?
(http://www.vgcats.com/avatars/av/leoshocked.gif)
whatzafozziewatsit?
NUUUUU! Turn away before you realize how awesome it is!!!! (Note my sarcasm...)
:zombiekun JOIN US!!! JOIN US!!! :zombiekun
Does it really count as delurking if I post every couple of weeks anyway?
at any rate... Fanart must ensue! And I'm really hoping May's a Cubi too, after all that... or at least a Demon. That would explain Abel's wings much better.
I wanna see her get up all mad with demonic wings or something and slashing Aniz while uttering some angry phrase.
That'd confuse Abel all the more. But since Abel seems to hate only his Father and has not really said anything about his mother in the normal comic, I think she's probably just the victim of Aniz's masquerade and is only a being.
Quote from: multani82 on April 28, 2007, 11:20:03 AMbut if that is him with kria during the killings, how come she says "oh what are you going to do? flunk me?" doesn't sound like a fellow student to me..more like a mentor or teacher
Selev's brother was also alive, last we heard.
Quote from: Zibani on April 28, 2007, 04:40:47 PMFor example, like superluser has said, I seriously don't believe that Aniz would seriously waste 25+ years of his life for this simple short period of time reaction. I mean even if you only did it for a couple of months, ( whole life:scam relationship ratio) How many of you would waste that much time building a relationship and whatnot, just to get a kick out of the reaction at the end, Much less for 25+ years.( I don't care if they live to be several thousand years old, that's still a long time and he would have slipped several times.)
According to my calculations, if the average life span for `cubi is 9000 years (and we've yet to see `cubi live for 10,000 years), and the average life span for a human is 70 years, that puts the human equivalent of the time invested at two and a third months.
And the kick that he gets out of it is likely to last not more than a day or so. The human equivalent would be something like 11.2 minutes. So you spend two months plotting and planning for less than 15 minutes of fun. I don't get it.
Quote from: Zibani on April 28, 2007, 04:40:47 PMThirdly I'm really not gonna buy into the "He never really loved May" Argument. I mean, he may be the best actor in the world or something, but otherwise, his past actions really don't scream 'Lack of love' to me...
I don't have a hard time believing that. I don't have a problem with Cid deceiving May and being the incubus, but his actions don't seem to be the actions of a fully integrated personality. Whether that's because he has a split personality or there were two different people or whatever, his actions in the latest strip seem impulsive and impetuous--not like the actions of someone disciplined enough to spend years planning this thing. And it seems awfully crude for a plan that was thought out years in advance.
Also: ZINANIZsquid--can I have some esina-flavored ribbon candy?
1: Yeah, I guess the most logical conclusion that My mind will agree with is the Schizophrenia argument...
2: When did it say that Abel hated his dad?
Edit:
Quote from: superluser on April 28, 2007, 05:00:59 PM
According to my calculations, if the average life span for `cubi is 9000 years (and we've yet to see `cubi live for 10,000 years), and the average life span for a human is 70 years, that puts the human equivalent of the time invested at two and a third months.
And the kick that he gets out of it is likely to last not more than a day or so. The human equivalent would be something like 11.2 minutes. So you spend two months plotting and planning for less than 15 minutes of fun. I don't get it.
^^ Exactly my point, I'm just too lazy to do the math
I must join the club of Delurk, Must Post. :3
This comic blew me away. I did not expect this to happen, and I really liked the surprise. I'd hate to think that Cid never really existed. I really liked him. :<
And, did anyone notice that Aniz's left eye has a much darker border than his right? Could that be his clan marking? It could certainly explain the eyepatch if Cid was invented.
He'll be hating his dad after this. That much is certain.
Not if he has a good explanation for this... *Hopes*
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O.O
:erk :cry :mowdizzy
I'm am still shellshocked. And I joined this forum just because I HAD TO AFTER THAT DAMN PAGe. Seriously. I normally hate webcomic forums. I don't like them.
But I have to get this out of my system.
ASDFGFGAR DJFAKFHASR HDAHW ANIZEVIL I hate the guy so much. I hated him in 0.2 seconds flat.
Amber. You are the most... the most... SCKDRADFSKLDJALRSCRATCHTHAT I don't know what you are. Should I worship you for that extreme throwback of personality?
... I need to create a facebook group about you now. XD
No I don't have any crazy theories about Aniz or Abel or May. I just want Henya out of there. Now.
... Cid's heart attack still bugs me, it doesn't make sense.
I shall ramble on now.
:U My favorite theory:
May, when she was young, did some foolish and selfish things (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Abel_84.php (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Abel_84.php)). Perhaps she even had some, *cough* relations, with Aniz. When she fell in love with the real Cid, he got uber-jealous (probably because he believed on some level that May belonged to him now). So he goes off and kills Cid at some point (probably after they were married) and takes his place in May's affections (:U zOMG!!!)
He planned on only staying with May perhaps for a couple months, or even a year or two, or until he got bored of her. But he got so caught up in his 'act' (and possibly May's affections) that he forgot that he wasn't really Cid (:U zOMG AGAIN!!!). When he saw that his son was a Cubi, something sparked his memories and in a short ammount of time, that spark brought Aniz "back to life" (or reality :P) and, effectivly, "killing" Cid.
:giggle Either way, Aniz is still cute.
It was a feint, and when you've strung someone along for two decades, then break their mother's nose, I'm sorry, they're certainly not going to like you.
And he won't be cute when I'm through with him. Playing God of War 2 gives you some ideas on what you can do with your bare hands.
I am completely... unsurprised. Also not shocked nor upset. That rant about the muse thing had me worried for a minute :dface
Okay another thought, Aniz was the father, by tricking May into thinking he was Cid all those years ago, and is only now coming back to reap his rewards after finding out that Abel really is a 'cubi. So the real Cid may still be out there - perhaps the "friend" he bumped into was the real Cid, and he had to dispose of him before he got home. That way there's no 25+ years of roleplaying, 25+ years' worth of chances to slip, and 25+ years of time invested for such a small payoff. He just now came back to claim Abel as his own now that his cover is essentially blown.
*Glare glare* There still isn't any PROOF that this was a feint... that's all speculation, so until you can show me undeniably that the relationship wasn't genuine, I plan on being stubborn beyond all reason and disagree with you. As for the broken nose, I'm still working on an explanation for that...
and heh... you need a video game to come up with sadistic ways to kill someone? (Even if he IS as cute as Aniz)
Quote from: Azraelle on April 28, 2007, 05:18:58 PM
perhaps the "friend" he bumped into was the real Cid
Then why would he be telling May?
Quote from: Zibani on April 28, 2007, 05:06:47 PM1: Yeah, I guess the most logical conclusion that My mind will agree with is the Schizophrenia argument...
Well, schizophrenia in the literal (schizo=split, phren=mind) sense--what we'd call dissociative personality disorder today.
Quote from: Manawolf on April 28, 2007, 05:13:43 PMIt was a feint, and when you've strung someone along for two decades, then break their mother's nose, I'm sorry, they're certainly not going to like you.
I don't dislike him (as a fictional person--in real life, I'd probably hate him). I just think that he doesn't make sense. And if he really does have multiple personalities, I'd probably feel sympathetic towards both Aniz and Cid.
Also, did I mention that I don't have any problem with Aniz not breaking character for 25 years? I don't think it's that impressive a feat--just that it doesn't make sense.
He just broke his wife's nose. Wifebeater = asshole, plain and simple. Also, it was a feint, as he went from fainting from a heart attack to a sucker punch.
Also, Kratos provides some inspiration, and at least is better than Aniz. Sure, he killed innocents, but he's recently been making it up withe slaughter of countless evil minions. Also, he was no wifebeater, he killed his family in a blind rage like any greek hero.
Quote from: Manawolf on April 28, 2007, 05:29:51 PM
He just broke his wife's nose.
He broke Cid's wife's nose. :U
Then that's being even more of an asshole!
Quote from: Manawolf on April 28, 2007, 05:29:51 PMHe just broke his wife's nose. Wifebeater = asshole, plain and simple.
I don't think that I ever said that domestic violence was good. Just that hate is a strong word, and I try as hard as I can not to hate anyone.
Besides, I enjoy evil characters. The Manchurian Candidate, The Odyssey, and M all feature evil characters. But getting inside their heads and peering out--especially when you see what they're seeing, and you know what they're going to do and why they're going to do it and you have no sympathy for the characters and you don't want them to do it, but you still get wrapped up in what the evil character is doing...
*That's* good storytelling. I like those characters, even though they're evil.
Quote from: Manawolf on April 28, 2007, 05:43:47 PMThen that's being even more of an asshole!
Not if he's been forced *by Cid* to live with Cid's wife, because Cid and Aniz share a body. That's still major asshole, but slightly less than beating your own wife.
I actually saw that one coming. I'm serious. My reaction was basically this :tumbleweed
Grrrr... Look I'm not even saying that you're wrong! (I really hope that you are though...) I'm just annoyed beyond all reason that some of you are taking your assumptions, what you think is right, and you're acting as though they are hard fact! It doesn't work that way! There are millions of possible scenarios to explain each individual event that has occurred thus far. Granted, some of them aren't so pretty, but just as many could have Aniz actually be a hero! Take Devin for example, word on the street says he's an asshole, but he still decided to help guide Abel to town despite that. So I'm not saying you should believe the way I do, I just want you to realize that just because you have an opinion, doesn't mean that it's automatically correct.
Quote from: Zibani on April 28, 2007, 04:40:47 PM
For example, like superluser has said, I seriously don't believe that Aniz would seriously waste 25+ years of his life for this simple short period of time reaction. I mean even if you only did it for a couple of months, ( whole life:scam relationship ratio) How many of you would waste that much time building a relationship and whatnot, just to get a kick out of the reaction at the end, Much less for 25+ years.( I don't care if they live to be several thousand years old, that's still a long time and he would have slipped several times.)
Okay, I was going to comment last time and forgot...
Do all of you think that the -only- confusion or pain that Cid/Aniz is going to run across in bringing up a child is -now- ?? Were you all dropped on your heads as children? Bringing up children is -constant- pain and confusion and pride and a whole passel of emotions all bundled together. Smorgasbord, if you will...
(if you don't believe me, let me introduce you to my son...)
Quote from: Jigsaw Forte on April 28, 2007, 04:52:38 PM
Does it really count as delurking if I post every couple of weeks anyway?
... Only in comparison to those of us who post 20/day...
... I'm sure someone else does. Anyone? :-]
I'm still betting that it's a posession or split person thing.
Or maybe it's just Aniz needing a son for some reason. Too bad Abel at this point has not been exposed to evil other then the events of this day where he freaked out rather justifyably. :p
There is one thing that we cal all agree on though, and that's that we can't WAIT for the next Abel's Story update! :):):)
Mab/Jyrras arc is all good, but a week of Abel's Stories would be great too. Oh well, there is only so much time in a day and we don't want Amber to have to pull 14 hour drawing days on this just to satisfy our needs. :)
Quote from: Grenn on April 28, 2007, 06:06:25 PM
There is one thing that we cal all agree on though, and that's that we can't WAIT for the next Abel's Story update! :):):)
DINGDINGDING!!! We have a winner!!!!!!
EDIT: Oh and Grenn, I swear, every time I look at your signature, I swear it looks like Dan is getting head....
EDIT #2: Oh, and I'd just like to point out, I love how Amber's got today's Abel update link... all black so nothing is given away...
EDIT #3: GAAA! You's guys need ta post :rolleyes... I don' like editing my old ones, but I'd rather not post 2 times in a row... Anyways, I'd also like to point out how some of us (my self included) Are getting so worked up about a fictional story...
It may have been said, I have not read through all 6 pages of posts yet, but what if Cid was killed by an incubus years ago and the incubus took his place to make and raise an incubus to help him spread torture and fear? All the 'Cidubus' had to do was wait untill Abels headwings came in, kill May, and twist the child to his own means?
XD yup... several dozen times...
I think beating up a woman till she bleeds kind of nullifies any hero status you may have.
You think he's going to turn around and go, "Oh, I'm sorry, I didn't mean to hurt you, pose as your husband for 2 decades, and then leave you a broken mess on the floor."
I don't he'd mean it if he actually said it either.
...beating... up... ? It's not that I don't also believe that he shouldn't have hit her, but last time I checked, 1 slap doesn't exactly qualify as "Beating up" Besides, do you realize how easy the human nose is to break? Well how do you know that the internal parts of a Furrae's nose aren't just as flimsy?
Also, I don't think he's gonna say that. Why? How do you know he is doing any "posing"? I still think this is the same person she married, even if it wasn't genuine...
Then there's the "broken mess on the floor" factor... She had the typical reaction for a person having her nose broken... 'broken mess' implies that she's in much worse condition than she is.
Finally, what if, for example, She was actuall some kind of creature that was actually the one doing all of the plotting and whatnot that everyone's talking about, and in the midst of the confusion, she let a mind shield of hers slip, so Aniz figured it out. The smack could have been for that! (And I wouldn't put it past Amber) Would he still have 'no chance of being a hero'? I think not.
After the last Abel's Story I was expecting :grave not :bat
so I have to say :goamber :judges
Quote from: Tapewolf on April 28, 2007, 03:40:01 AM
Looks like this could be some fun voicework for Shadrok >:3
Indeed >:]
I wonder if Cid/Aniz has a mwaha line in the next one.
Quote from: Tapewolf on April 28, 2007, 09:42:20 AM
Quick word of advice, Candide, don't do two consecutive posts like that. The admins won't like it :P
OkeeDokee, then. I'll keep that in mind.
And it's, "candide," with a lowercase "c". ;)
Quote from: Tapewolf on April 28, 2007, 09:42:20 AMAs for the soul-eating thing, that's possible but it depends what his goals are. The general impression I'm getting is that generally only the really power-hungry ones go in for it.
Well, maybe Aniz
is power-hungry. If he's been playing the role of "adventurer & being" for 24+ years...
Or not. We shall see what we shall see.
Anyone notice that the scar 'Cid' had is gone now? If he was always a cubi, why did he have teh scar at all? I think that, if he was always a cubi and Cid was a psudonym, his marking is on his eyelid and thus the scar made an interesting story for the eyepatch to cover it? Either that or the cubi did take cids place at SOME point and had to give himself a scar. Since it is now gone, either Amber forgot it or it was part of the shapeshifting and now I wanna know WHY he had it! :)
Maybe Aniz isnt Able's father?
Looking at what May was saying before, she did some fooling around win she was younger and maybe got some with a cubi.
Then she meets Cid shortly after, have a "kid" and have a semi happy life.
They move to the demon city and maybe after a while Aniz notices Able and his happy family
and sees a perfect invetation to have some fun.
Abled goes and sees multible friend get killed and Aniz sees the perfect oppertunity to strike.
Kills Cid and yada yada yada.
So really he could have only been planning this for a couple of days or maybe a week.
thats just my 2c, im probably wrong anyway :rolleyes
Well, at any rate, it's obvious Abel's father is an incubus given the circumstances we have seen so far.
Maybe the simple solution is the correct one? *avoids getting sliced by ocum's razor (man I bet I misspelled that)*
Aniz posed as a being to have a son for reasons unknown. Why he couldn't just have a kid with another Cubi is beyond me though. At least then, you can be pretty darn sure that you'll have a kid that's Cubi.
But, the reasons will be revealed by Mrs. Williams as we proceed. I for one look forward to the next installment with anticipation. :)
And Amber, don't feel bad for giving us a dark comic now and then. It's all part of good storytelling! :D Besides, we'd likley enjoy any comic you put up dealing with any subject.
First of all, go Amber. I personally support your decision to go this way, and any further direction the story will go. Hope you feel better after this is over with.
Alright, I haven't posted since the move, so I guess this counts as delurking... But I don't really read the forums so I have no idea if someone has thought of this in another topic. Anyway.
If Cid/Aniz is an incubus, don't you think it's possible that Edward Ti'Fiona killed him? It would certainly explain Abel's violent reaction to Ink's reminder. If that's the case it's even possible that Abel feels slightly threatened by Dan.
I think Aniz was always Cid... why, I don't have enough information to draw a conclusion yet. But I was noticing that Aniz looks very, very young. If that's his natural form, then it's possible he's a very young incubus. I think that he did love May once... maybe he married her very soon after his headwings came in, even.
Trying not to draw too many conclusions, since this is Aniz's first appearence, basically... And I remember everyone hated Abel before Abel's Story came along. I think things are only going to get worse from here on out, though...
In response to Grenn... You know he's right...
And I Ouai has a point... Knowing Amber, Aniz very well could be a random Cubi just suddenly taking Cid's place for kicks... that would get rid of the "Years of planning for a bit of enjoyment" Concept... All he'd have to do is use his mind reading abilities a bit...
((And btw... not everyone hated abel before his story came out... I have <3ed Abel to no end the first time he appeared in the comic... ))
Myself as well, but there were a heck of a lot of people bashing him at the beginning.
Quote from: Grenn on April 28, 2007, 07:51:31 PM
Maybe the simple solution is the correct one? *avoids getting sliced by ocum's razor (man I bet I misspelled that)
Occam's razor failed big time on this one, IMHO. After all, if the simplest solution was always the correct one, we'd be able to tell exactly what Amber was going to do, and where's the fun in that?
Quote from: Indy on April 28, 2007, 07:54:46 PM
If Cid/Aniz is an incubus, don't you think it's possible that Edward Ti'Fiona killed him? It would certainly explain Abel's violent reaction to Ink's reminder. If that's the case it's even possible that Abel feels slightly threatened by Dan.
I disagree. If you read the SAIA arc again, note that after the initial baseball-bat treatment, Abel is going out of his way to keep Dan happy. Even the paint thing was ultimately to keep him from becoming depressed. He was absolutely furious when Ink drove Dan into a coma, he went out of his way to protect Jyrras (even putting himself in serious danger from Aary) simply because Jyrras was one of Dan's
friends. I had a longer list at one point... I'll have to see if I can find it.
Now I don't know what the relationship between Ti'Fiona and Abel is, but the signals I'm getting are that Abel owes Edward
big. You might be right, but unless Aniz pulls a rabbit out of a hat and redeems himself, it's looking more like Abel would
thank him for killing his dad.
QuoteI remember everyone hated Abel before Abel's Story came along.
I don't >:3 Now I'll grant you everyone hated Devin until his flashback...
O.O where does it say his name? :mowdizzy
*edit* Oh ya, One more Delurker was made today [me]
btw the person who asked about the scar,
:shapeshifters
Quote from: Tapewolf on April 28, 2007, 08:04:05 PM
I don't >:3 Now I'll grant you everyone hated Devin until his flashback...
I hate myself for it... But I did too...
Quote from: Rambon on April 28, 2007, 08:11:38 PM
O.O where does it say his name? :mowdizzy
*edit* Oh ya, One more Delurker was made today [me]
btw the person who asked about the scar,
:shapeshifters
Amber mentions his name on the second page of this thread. :3
And, I still wonder if the bold outline on his left eye is his clan marking, hence the need for the eyepatch. A scar would be a nice excuse to wear it.
The only problem with that is that, if he is in fact Abel's dad, wouldn't they have the same symbol, same color, etc...?
Quote from: Zibani on April 28, 2007, 08:27:09 PM
The only problem with that is that, if he is in fact Abel's dad, wouldn't they have the same symbol, same color, etc...?
Yes, unless Abel belongs to a different clan than his father. While I'd say this is impossibly unlikely, it can't be entirely ruled out...
Quote from: Marmonstein on April 28, 2007, 08:19:23 PM
Quote from: Rambon on April 28, 2007, 08:11:38 PM
O.O where does it say his name? :mowdizzy
*edit* Oh ya, One more Delurker was made today [me]
btw the person who asked about the scar,
:shapeshifters
Amber mentions his name on the second page of this thread. :3
And, I still wonder if the bold outline on his left eye is his clan marking, hence the need for the eyepatch. A scar would be a nice excuse to wear it.
That's what I was saying; the scar would NOT be there if the cubi did not want it so the cubi must have wanted it to either A) Impersinate Cid or B) Hide something like a clan marking. :P
The truth is obvious. This entire thing is just a bad dream and Abel will wake up safe and sound in Dan's bed, "Wow! I just dreamt my dad was an incubus pretending to be an adventurer!" "Awww! Poor Abel dear! Come over here and let Danny make it all better..."
And then fan-servicey shonen-ai ensues, turns into hentei, and Amber makes a fortune selling the comic in Kobe, Japan. >:3
Quote from: Zibani on April 28, 2007, 08:27:09 PM
The only problem with that is that, if he is in fact Abel's dad, wouldn't they have the same symbol, same color, etc...?
Oh, I forgot about that. XD
Well, then I've got nothing. :U
I'm quite curious to see how long this topic will continue to have new posts, until Monday at the very least.
Yay for split personality related story twists! Its something that when its done wrong its cheesy and annoying but done right, it devastating, the kind of thing that was people saying things like 'Woh!' and 'it all make sense now!' or 'okay, now I'm lost'.
Of course the 'they seemed like such a nice person' syndrome can come in. One person with many faces, all health sane people have, to some extend, several personalities.
Would some consider taking medication to get rid of alternative personalities killing? After all you are potentially permanently silencing a unique individual(s), who just happen to share a head.
When you consider perception is an illusion it can all unravel......
Quote from: Alondro on April 28, 2007, 08:31:48 PM
The truth is obvious. This entire thing is just a bad dream and Abel will wake up safe and sound in Dan's bed,
NUUUUU!!! Abel/Jyrras all the way!!!! Okay... I feel better now
Quote from: Aurawyn on April 28, 2007, 01:34:25 AMI can't wait a week!!
Put the main strip on hold and do Only Abel's story updates!!
Thats my vote anyhow...
I withdraw this statement having just read the rant :B
Just to get it out of the way, since the entire post will be full of it...
(http://www.landrymanor.com/ragefactor/deadhorse.gif)
TAKE THAT, DEAD HORSE!
I never had any questions about Cid's scar. The scar is obviously what happened to his left eye, and it's a perfectly feasible injury for an adventurer to have.
Personally, I'm putting my money on both "Cid was a figment of Aniz's imagination" and "Cid got replaced when he went off to kill a certain incubus."
Early on, some readers were commenting that they expected Abel to fight Aniz. I would like to point out that Aniz is obviously older than Abel, and has been pasing as an adventurer for the past two or so decades. Adventurer mortality rates are rather high, as Dan and Edward are considered to be very lucky for being retired, instead of dead. Cid, also retired, un-retired, and re-retired, is no slouch. He would have no trouble taking on a (now injured) being, an absent-minded snakegirl, and a young librarian incubus(who has always thought he was a being, anyway.) Since Abel is obviously not dead, I think the only fight we're going to see is the merciless slaughter of the unfortunate May Rewanz.(probably not even that.)
The nose punch brings to mind a possible injury for the lands of Furrae which is unknown to humans(usually): breakage of the upper mandible! Seen primarily in canine races. I wonder what the cast for that would look like. Definitely be uncomfortable.
Yeah, after last Abel's Story (strip 84, of course) I was like, Woah!
Who's Aniz, anyways? I mean, I think I've heard the name before. And those red-black headwings seem very familiar... -_0
I see that most of the readers applaud the new plot twist.
I don't agree. I think this latest twist just broke the plot, sorry. :confused
Please understand that I love most of your work, but this ... this just was too much. :brokenheart
What if Cid was also a cubi and got replaced by his competition?
Quote from: Stig Hemmer on April 28, 2007, 09:58:15 PM
I see that most of the readers applaud the new plot twist.
I don't agree. I think this latest twist just broke the plot, sorry. :confused
Please understand that I love most of your work, but this ... this just was too much. :brokenheart
Yeah. I feel your pain.
Quote from: Psychogirl on April 28, 2007, 10:28:41 PM
Quote from: Stig Hemmer on April 28, 2007, 09:58:15 PM
I see that most of the readers applaud the new plot twist.
I don't agree. I think this latest twist just broke the plot, sorry. :confused
Please understand that I love most of your work, but this ... this just was too much. :brokenheart
Yeah. I feel your pain.
This is what I've been trying to say, but I had trouble talking over all the stupid.
Clearly she is a genius, weaving grandiose elements of humor, terror, love, and loss. Mrs. Williams has revolutionized the medium and ascended the title of Web Comic Artist. Bucking the trend of toning down harsher content, she has created a story of which thousands of discussions will be had, all filled with the highest of praise. Together we have anticipated the twists and turns in the riveting tale of Abel's Story, and shall continue to do so for many years to come.
oh, you're back. How lovely.
Nobody likes a kiss-up, Net, especially a sarcastic one who can't even get the author's name right (be it her maiden or married name).
Sometimes you forget it's copy pasta. I am so used to the internet forming around my fingertips and shifting into what I need! :disco
Wow. *This*is why DMFA is my favorite webcomic. Stuff like this. Just amazing...
Quote from: AndersW on April 28, 2007, 01:51:29 PM
Who is drip?
Quote from: Tapewolf on April 28, 2007, 02:05:04 PMOne of the character's in Dave Hopkin's rather disturbing comic strip 'Jack', I think.
Quote from: llearch n'n'daCorna on April 28, 2007, 02:21:59 PMHe's the "Sin" in charge (?) of Lust. He's rather depraved, spends a lot of his time running Hell, and isn't much liked, for various very very obvious reasons (at least, once you read some of the strip)
Needless to say, the strip is Not Safe For Work. It's also likely to cause some people to be rather upset. Be warned.
Just to temper things a bit, David Hopkins'
Jack can be extremely gut wrenching emotionally, but so is "Abel's story". I wouldn't recommend either one to every
DMFA reader. They are both excellent stories, with very human, very believeable characters. Plus,
Jack may have characters like serial rapist/murderer Drip, but it also has other redeeming characters... like Miss Mab... and Rafe.
Quote from: Tapewolf on April 28, 2007, 02:05:04 PM
My gods Amber, you've really excelled yourself this time. I've always been told it's the mark of a good writer if you can get people to become emotionally engaged in your story, and given that this single strip has added at least five new people to the forum, I would say you've done that in spades.
Someone is going to have to tell you what happened in January at the
Jack forum, when Mr. Hopkins posted one extra 29 page story, and it added 3,000 new members to the forum. (Yes, really).
And back to the May/Aniz topic - There's been a lot of agonizing over Aniz apparently deceiving May for all this time. I assume at some level, Aniz was attracted to May. Deception does occur in these situations. Women snicker among themselves as to how their men can be fooled by fake orgasms. That's nothing. As Aniz proves, women may fake orgasms, but men can fake
entire relationships.
well, after discussing with my hubby, he had two interesting things to point out...
1. fuel for the "May might be a demoness" theory (which would neatly explain Abel's dual-wing appearance): how the HECK does a BEING know how good the schools are in a DEMON city? I can understand the wife of an adventurer knowing of the presense of a nearby demon city, even knowing the NAME of such a city... but the schools? its not like they're gonna send out flyers "visit our schools! best magic lessons this side of Timbucktuu!"
2. why would a cubi' carry on a charade for 20+ years? whats Abel's clan specialty again? thats right... confusion. think how much confusion would be generated by a child with WINGS being born in a nice normal quiet little being town. and that confusion will last... and last... and LAST. remember, rumors are a form of confusion too. :mwaha
Quote from: Rafe on April 29, 2007, 12:13:31 AM
Quote from: Tapewolf on April 28, 2007, 02:05:04 PM
My gods Amber, you've really excelled yourself this time. I've always been told it's the mark of a good writer if you can get people to become emotionally engaged in your story, and given that this single strip has added at least five new people to the forum, I would say you've done that in spades.
Someone is going to have to tell you what happened in January at the Jack forum, when Mr. Hopkins posted one extra 29 page story, and it added 3,000 new members to the forum. (Yes, really).
This just in:
YOU NEED TO REGISTER AT THE JACK FORUM TO SEE MOST OF THE BOARDS.
And you need to register at a friend's house if you use a proxy to connect cause their process is trying to keep you out!!1 :P
Quote from: Kasarn on April 29, 2007, 12:27:09 AM
Quote from: Rafe on April 29, 2007, 12:13:31 AM
Quote from: Tapewolf on April 28, 2007, 02:05:04 PM
My gods Amber, you've really excelled yourself this time. I've always been told it's the mark of a good writer if you can get people to become emotionally engaged in your story, and given that this single strip has added at least five new people to the forum, I would say you've done that in spades.
Someone is going to have to tell you what happened in January at the Jack forum, when Mr. Hopkins posted one extra 29 page story, and it added 3,000 new members to the forum. (Yes, really).
This just in: YOU NEED TO REGISTER AT THE JACK FORUM TO SEE MOST OF THE BOARDS.
Your point being?
the point is that is the likely reason there were 3000 new members. Like, out of necessity?
Yet, surprisingly, unrelated to Abel's story this week. Back on the train boys.
You'd think as a mod you'd have already seen how unrelated these topics tend to get. Are you surprised it took until page 8 to get this far off?
Yes, but we don't allow the off-topicness turn into a discussion about the goings-on of another forum. It's tacky and rude, and against rule 2C.
Despite Amber's occasional bad vibes about following her muse, story moments like this are the best reason to read this comic. There are plenty of "funny" webcomics out there, but few that cause you to ask yourself: "Did I see this coming? Why not? What am I not perceiving in my everyday life that could lead me to a fate like May's?"
Amber's writing turns on portions of my brain beyond the instant gratification, quick smile "Peanuts" variety. That's what makes it significant.
Quote from: Akisohida on April 28, 2007, 07:35:10 PMIf he was always a cubi, why did he have teh scar at all?
Simple. Cid/Aniz goes on an adventure and his opponent slices his eye. Blood, vitreous humour everywhere. His party sees it. He can't shift it back. He has to pretend that his eye is permanently gone.
Quote from: Stig Hemmer on April 28, 2007, 09:58:15 PMI don't agree. I think this latest twist just broke the plot, sorry.
The twist is fine. It's just Aniz's superficial behavior that doesn't make sense.
Also, some people are suggesting that Devin and Abel are half-brothers from Cid/Aniz. To those people, I would like make a few points and ask a few questions.
1.) Abel and Devin were playmates in grade school.
2.) This likely means that Devin and Abel are within a few years (fewer than three, I'd wager) of each other.
3.) Devin's dad left on the day he was born.
4.) There were multiple ``others'' which Devin's mom killed.
5.) It's unclear if ``the others'' were Devin's dad's children, but it seems likely.
6.) It seems likely that ``the others'' were born and then killed, not aborted.
Given all of that, if Cid/Aniz were Devin's dad, he would have had to play husband to both Devin's mom and May at the same time for at least nine months, and possibly 27 months or more.
Quote from: jeffh4 on April 29, 2007, 01:14:42 AMAmber's writing turns on portions of my brain beyond the instant gratification, quick smile "Peanuts" variety. That's what makes it significant.
Don't go there.
Peanuts kinda tapered off in the last couple of decades, but the 60's-70's version was witty, emotional, and sharp. Do you remember the strip where Charlie Brown screamed at Lucy that he was going to ``TEAR ALL YOUR ARMS OFF!''? I had to do a double take at that one.
:boogie Back on topic? Ok. Aniz is cute! :boogie
Yes, I will keep saying this. Why? Because I can, and because it's true!
And he's still an asshole. Why? Because it's also true.
Quote from: Moonfrost on April 29, 2007, 01:18:32 AM
:boogie Back on topic? Ok. Aniz is cute! :boogie
Yes, I will keep saying this. Why? Because I can, and because it's true!
Ah, the simple things :)
Quote from: Manawolf on April 29, 2007, 01:48:09 AM
And he's still an asshole. Why? Because it's also true.
Err, and the not so :animesweat
Quote from: Manawolf on April 29, 2007, 01:48:09 AM
And he's still an asshole. Why? Because it's also true.
I mean, just look at him! That goatee practically oozes evil!
Goatee, the signature hairstyle of villains and antiheroes. Last I looked, the most we've seen him beat up is May, so which of the two would he fit under?
Quote from: Manawolf on April 29, 2007, 01:58:31 AM
Goatee, the signature hairstyle of villains and antiheroes. Last I looked, the most we've seen him beat up is May, so which of the two would he fit under?
Villain at the time >:3
Quote from: Manawolf on April 29, 2007, 01:58:31 AM
Goatee, the signature hairstyle of villains and antiheroes. Last I looked, the most we've seen him beat up is May, so which of the two would he fit under?
Well, it'd be one thing if he was dark and brooding, but he seems to enjoy the tormenting quite a bit. Id'n go with villain.
How do we know his name is Aniz?
Quote from: Tsunari on April 29, 2007, 03:14:26 AM
How do we know his name is Aniz?
S3KRITS! j/k, here's the post earlier in this thread
http://clockworkmansion.com/forum/index.php?topic=2663.msg109803#msg109803
i would comment but everyone else covered my views on it..but ya..twisting element..more so then when SNAPE KILLED DUMBLEDORE!! >.>
good one none-the-less, relax amber...take a break if need be..us DMFA-ites could find other ways to entertain ourself during the break.
Quote from: Rafe on April 29, 2007, 12:13:31 AM
Just to temper things a bit, David Hopkins' Jack can be extremely gut wrenching emotionally, but so is "Abel's story". I wouldn't recommend either one to every DMFA reader. They are both excellent stories, with very human, very believeable characters. Plus, Jack may have characters like serial rapist/murderer Drip, but it also has other redeeming characters... like Miss Mab... and Rafe.
Abel's Story has some very dark moments, and in one or two places has come close to the edge of what I'm happy with (the slaughter scene when they reach the fort, for example) but is still nothing compared to what little I've seen of Jack. The 'Cubi History as pondered by Amber would likely tip things too far for me personally.
Quote from: Stig Hemmer on April 28, 2007, 09:58:15 PM
I see that most of the readers applaud the new plot twist.
I don't agree. I think this latest twist just broke the plot, sorry. :confused
Amber's had years to iron out the bugs in this plot. If she was writing this seat-of-the-pants I might be tempted to agree, but she's had this all planned out in advance. If I were in that position and I still couldn't bridge any plot-holes I'd have junked the concept and replaced it. The fact that we don't know what happened in Abel's childhood makes it all the easier for her to have written a 'pin compatible' replacement - we would be none the wiser unless it directly contradicted what we've seen in the mainline.
To my mind that she has done it this way can only mean it's a deliberate discontinuity which ultimately
will make sense when we have all the pieces.
Am I the only person who burst out laughing and applauded?
Keep it up Amber, I'm loving every frame of this. <3
I did only after I realized his name is pronounced Anus. And that he looks like Vegeta after being asked about a power level.
Quote from: Rafe on April 29, 2007, 12:13:31 AM
Someone is going to have to tell you what happened in January at the Jack forum, when Mr. Hopkins posted one extra 29 page story, and it added 3,000 new members to the forum. (Yes, really).
What's the base number of the forum, though?
Here, we picked up 19 out of 612 or so - where our usual daily pickup rate is ~1-2/day, for most of the month.
3000 seems like a -big- step, but is it >3% of the forum? Or >10% of the regular posters? Or ~10x your usual daily takeup?
Note that I'm asking purely because I'm interested, not because I'm playing dick-size wars. I mean, Jack's all well and good, but it doesn't tend to bring me to make comments about it, whereas DMFA does...
The number of members on the Jack Forum (which has been around in some form since March 2001) was 3,025 on 1/9/07 when the story was posted on the forum.
By the end of the next day, 1/10, there were 3,365 members.
After a week, there were 4,088 members.
Now, there are 6,190, so that incident more than doubled the number of registered members - so yeah, even given the relative size, it was a huge jump.
I have to mention that what happened was that Mr. Hopkins was feeling very grateful to all the people who had helped him and Katie over the past year, mainly by raising over $11,000 last summer when he was very much in need of an operation. You may remember, Amber was one of those helped out and spread the word of his need. He posted a non-canon, Not-Safe-For-Work comic involving some of his main characters as a thank-you. Since is was for the fans, and it was NSFW, he thought it best to put it on a fan-art page that required forum registration.
Quote from: Netami on April 29, 2007, 08:14:55 AM
I did only after I realized his name is pronounced Anus. And that he looks like Vegeta after being asked about a power level.
I'd think with a name like
Aniz it's more like
Ah-knees, or maybe
Ahn-iss. (which sounds like 'honest', ironically...)
I fear reading the next comic... :cry
Quote from: ChessM on April 29, 2007, 10:12:22 AM
I fear reading the next comic... :cry
Somehow, I think Amber is VERY pleased with that reaction.
Quote from: Rafe on April 29, 2007, 10:21:42 AM
Quote from: ChessM on April 29, 2007, 10:12:22 AM
I fear reading the next comic... :cry
Somehow, I think Amber is VERY pleased with that reaction.
WHY AMBER, WHY!?!?!?! :cry
Seriously, great job Amber, your story telling skills are the best!
*de-lurks*
I get the feeling that this is some sick, twisted revenge on Cid for killing his family. That would explain his seemingly odd actions to me. Twenty-some years is nothing to carry out some deep-seeded hatred.
Quote from: Netami on April 29, 2007, 08:14:55 AM
.... he looks like Vegeta after being asked about a power level.
It's over NINE THOUSAAAAAAAND!
Quote from: Manawolf on April 29, 2007, 01:58:31 AMGoatee, the signature hairstyle of villains and antiheroes.
To quote from the Official Evil Overlord handbook (by Pete Anspach) (http://www.eviloverlord.com/lists/overlord.html):
35. I will not grow a goatee. In the old days they made you look diabolic. Now they just make you look like a disaffected member of Generation X.
Quote from: Jigsaw Forte on April 29, 2007, 10:05:08 AMI'd think with a name like Aniz it's more like Ah-knees, or maybe Ahn-iss. (which sounds like 'honest', ironically...)
I still hear it like ``anise.''
Quote from: Netami on April 29, 2007, 08:14:55 AMI did only after I realized his name is pronounced Anus. And that he looks like Vegeta after being asked about a power level.
``I hope my body can take it...''
For some reason I found that pitch black "Abel's Story Update" button even more scary than her rant. Nothing says "impending doom" quite like such a detail being different.
Quote from: Tapewolf on April 29, 2007, 06:38:00 AM
Quote from: Stig Hemmer on April 28, 2007, 09:58:15 PM
I see that most of the readers applaud the new plot twist.
I don't agree. I think this latest twist just broke the plot, sorry. :confused
Amber's had years to iron out the bugs in this plot. If she was writing this seat-of-the-pants I might be tempted to agree, but she's had this all planned out in advance. If I were in that position and I still couldn't bridge any plot-holes I'd have junked the concept and replaced it. The fact that we don't know what happened in Abel's childhood makes it all the easier for her to have written a 'pin compatible' replacement - we would be none the wiser unless it directly contradicted what we've seen in the mainline.
To my mind that she has done it this way can only mean it's a deliberate discontinuity which ultimately will make sense when we have all the pieces.
"lalala... what a beautiful day ... hmm...what random things could I do today...? Oh I know! I'll kill of Cid!" :giggle
I'm sorry but that mental image somehow cracked me up... I guess I watched too many bad television shows... ^^;
Seriously though, I agree. Amber herself wrote that she kinda avoided that comic for some time and now finally wrote it in a "it had to be done" manner. She even changed the schedule to reduce the cliffhanger-ness. That shows that it's really some unfortunate but vital point in the plot. So just stay tuned.
Aaaaand, de-lurk! All the cool kids are doing it, so, why not?
I must say, this strip got the same reaction that the new Doctor Who season gets out of me when it runs two parters. Kind of a "WHAT. WHAT. NO. IS IT SATURDAY YET. =( AS:LDKGHn. Grahhh!" thing. So, thumbs-up!
Quote from: superluser on April 29, 2007, 10:57:05 AM
Quote from: Jigsaw Forte on April 29, 2007, 10:05:08 AMI'd think with a name like Aniz it's more like Ah-knees, or maybe Ahn-iss. (which sounds like 'honest', ironically...)
I still hear it like ``anise.''
I would think it pronounced like the name Aziz, but with an n instead of the first z. Which ends up sounding kind of like what you guys were saying already, but that's the first thing I thought of when I read it.
Quote from: Rafe on April 29, 2007, 09:43:37 AM
The number of members on the Jack Forum (which has been around in some form since March 2001) was 3,025 on 1/9/07 when the story was posted on the forum.
By the end of the next day, 1/10, there were 3,365 members.
After a week, there were 4,088 members.
Now, there are 6,190, so that incident more than doubled the number of registered members - so yeah, even given the relative size, it was a huge jump.
Yeah, that is a big jump. I query that -all- of it was related to this one item, however...
Quote from: Rafe on April 29, 2007, 09:43:37 AM
I have to mention that what happened was that Mr. Hopkins was feeling very grateful to all the people who had helped him and Katie over the past year, mainly by raising over $11,000 last summer when he was very much in need of an operation. You may remember, Amber was one of those helped out and spread the word of his need. He posted a non-canon, Not-Safe-For-Work comic involving some of his main characters as a thank-you. Since is was for the fans, and it was NSFW, he thought it best to put it on a fan-art page that required forum registration.
... ok, on second thoughts, scratch that. Hmm. Should we ask Amber to write some porno to bring the number of forum-goers up? ;-]
Nah. I'm happy how it is now, thanks. :-]
(Not that I'm mocking Dave, mind. He's thanking his fans in the way that he can. I'm just mocking his forum-ites...)
Quote from: Ruggy on April 29, 2007, 12:02:29 PM
I would think it pronounced like the name Aziz, but with an n instead of the first z. Which ends up sounding kind of like what you guys were saying already, but that's the first thing I thought of when I read it.
i thought it was literally A-nizz...
*de-lurk*
:U
Seventeen....****ing....delurks....... and still counting....damn....(yes I have been counting the delurkers)
Amber has really outdone herself with this.............
as for the comic itself, I can't think of anything to say that hasn't already been said.
((edit: Erm. Yeah. Watch the language, please. PG rating, remember? -- llearch))
Quote from: katzklaw on April 29, 2007, 12:19:16 AM
well, after discussing with my hubby, he had two interesting things to point out...
1. fuel for the "May might be a demoness" theory (which would neatly explain Abel's dual-wing appearance): how the HECK does a BEING know how good the schools are in a DEMON city? I can understand the wife of an adventurer knowing of the presense of a nearby demon city, even knowing the NAME of such a city... but the schools? its not like they're gonna send out flyers "visit our schools! best magic lessons this side of Timbucktuu!"
Demons would be more tolerant about a kid with wings than beings would. "Oh, it's the new kid. Hey, his wings look cool!" as opposed to "Hey, the new kid has WINGS!"
Not really a delurk in my case, but a de-haven't-posted-in-about-a-month. :)
Still, wow. I did not see that one coming.
Aniz's current appearence and facial expression looks... familiar somehow though. I'm trying to figure out why.
Technically - I'm sorta a de-lurk. ;) Active on the other forums, less so on these, so kinda-delurk?
Really nice though, Amber. Gotta hand it to you for being able to follow the story even though you know people are going to disapprove. :) Keep up the good work! I quite enjoy it ^^
(Though yes, I'm a little 'awwww he is?' about Cid but that's life ;) )
Honestly, I don't think we actually know what Aniz looks like yet, aside from having red and black feathery headwings, probably a goatee, probably brown hair, and apparently-brown fur. Recalling back to when we first saw Destania demorph, she looked really wierd, and you really can't judge someone's looks very well when they're between forms. Best to look at the things that don't seem to be changing at all(brown fur, since Destania looked splotchy) or the things that didn't appear at all on the previous form(brown hair. Cid was bald at this point.), though you still can't really go by the appearance.(I seriously doubt Aniz has an injured headwing, despite what it looks like.)
On the topic of wedding rings, Cid's is shown on Aniz's left hand at 3 points in this comic, while May's is not seen.
I'm also wondering where Aniz's clan marking is. I doubt it's his eye, personally, as that was done in Fullmetal Alchemist, and it seems too cliché for Amber to do that. I also doubt it's in the middle of his back, like Abel's, because while we know where Dan's is going to show up eventually, I don't know where Destania's is. It's not on her right shoulder, so apparently that isn't heredetary.
Quote from: 127.0.0.2 on April 29, 2007, 11:25:35 AM
For some reason I found that pitch black "Abel's Story Update" button even more scary than her rant. Nothing says "impending doom" quite like such a detail being different.
I felt the same way. I noticed it was black, and I though, "Uh oh, something's up. Now I don't want to click it. :<"
contrary, I thought, "Interesting. Either there's a spot of full black in here, or the next page is SO SHOCKING that she can't show us or it'll spoil the story!"
which made me that much more eager.
As far as Aniz's clan symbol, he could have just told May it was a tatoo while he was Cid and she would have thought nothing of it.
After all, May thought Abel's is a tatoo and in fact so does Abel at this point in his life. He thinks somebody drew it on him while he was passed out drunk at a party. :p
:mowninja
Quote from: techmaster-glitch on April 29, 2007, 01:51:01 PM
Seventeen....****ing....delurks....... and still counting....damn....(yes I have been counting the delurkers)
*cough* since we've had 23 new users in the last two days, nineteen and four, as compared to 2 each for the previous two, I think you're still short two. :-] But I suspect the full count isn't in yet...
Quote from: Manawolf on April 29, 2007, 01:48:09 AM
And he's still an asshole. Why? Because it's also true.
And I should care...why? The cuteness cancels out the 'asshole' factor. :) :mwaha :boogie
Quote from: 127.0.0.2 on April 29, 2007, 11:25:35 AM
For some reason I found that pitch black "Abel's Story Update" button even more scary than her rant. Nothing says "impending doom" quite like such a detail being different.
QFT. That was brilliant.
The update itself was very powerful. Amber, I'm glad you didn't pull your punches here.
Quote from: Moonfrost on April 29, 2007, 04:11:09 PM
Quote from: Manawolf on April 29, 2007, 01:48:09 AM
And he's still an asshole. Why? Because it's also true.
And I should care...why? The cuteness cancels out the 'asshole' factor. :) :mwaha :boogie
No, now get over your wetdream.
I still can't remember what a delurk is, and I read it yesterday, I think in some rules for someplace...
But it seems to be something about not posting in a while... Hmm.. maybe wiki has the answer.
Is it true that DMFA has a wiki page? If so, I definitely have to see it.
I read somebody's opinion in between pages 7, 8, and 9, about Abel once being hated. I didn't hate him, but the person has a point. Perhaps we should calm down a bit until the next update an while continue to spout wonderful theories, and try to see if all our initial feelings are proven or not?
After all, considering the huge twist, the explanation is going to be so good we are all going to fall down in extasis and guilt at not guessing it.
And the simple explanations are always the best.
... Right, I think everybody is having to much fun ^^;
Carry on, I guess
Quote from: Manawolf on April 29, 2007, 04:17:54 PM
Quote from: Moonfrost on April 29, 2007, 04:11:09 PM
Quote from: Manawolf on April 29, 2007, 01:48:09 AM
And he's still an asshole. Why? Because it's also true.
And I should care...why? The cuteness cancels out the 'asshole' factor. :) :mwaha :boogie
No, now get over your wetdream.
*Documentary voice*
Here we see the rare and elusive Moonfrosticus Hornificus engaging in a time honoured baiting technique of the Manawolfica Deeondeous. A stubborn species, the Manawolfica will often be found holding his ground and territory against any and all potential predators and scavangers...which can sometimes leave him vulnerable to open attacks...
*cues the violin to the danger-music*
Quote from: Amber Williams on April 29, 2007, 04:35:22 PM
*Documentary voice*
Here we see the rare and elusive Moonfrosticus Hornificus engaging in a time honoured baiting technique of the Manawolfica Deeondeous. A stubborn species, the Manawolfica will often be found holding his ground and territory against any and all potential predators and scavangers...which can sometimes leave him vulnerable to open attacks...
*cues the violin to the danger-music*
And here we have a direct show of why I love reading this comic so much. The author will take
any situation and do something of it.
[Edit] Omigosh!!! I am a proto slime XD
BTW Amber... how do you pronounce Aniz's name? [/Edit]
Quote from: Ruggy on April 29, 2007, 12:02:29 PM
I would think it pronounced like the name Aziz, but with an n instead of the first z. Which ends up sounding kind of like what you guys were saying already, but that's the first thing I thought of when I read it.
All this makes me think of is:
"ANIZ! LIGHT!"
Quote from: Fuyudenki on April 29, 2007, 02:39:09 PM
...while we know where Dan's is going to show up eventually, I don't know where Destania's is. It's not on her right shoulder, so apparently that isn't heredetary.
That depends on how much of Destania we've seen so far. If it was on her shoulder-blade (round the back) her wing might be in the way in most poses, unless she'd shapeshifted it away. Back in the kidnapping arc, we never got a look back there on that side — apart from a look at her tail and left shoulder (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_713.php), all we have are face-on views and back views where her wings cover everything (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_724.php). And we only saw her gazelle disguise from the front as well. So her marking could still be somewhere in the same area Dan's will appear: we just don't know yet.
Well okay,I'm not much of a de-lurker as a "There's a forum?" kind of person.
Of course I realize this several years in reading DMFA when a REALLY dramatic plot twist comes into light.
My reactions where as followed.
" Oh..my gosh..black,the square is black CID NOOOOOOOOO!"
"....guhhh..."
"...uuuhh..."
*Head explodes and implodes at the same time*
Well played Amber,Well played.
I myself can not contribute to any theories because I am just that stupid.I come to praise!
And agree with Moonfrost.Aniz does look pretty awesomely hot and adorable.
who ever that :censored is I wanna kick his :censored :censored. No way does ANY gentleman injure a lady, well the term can be used loosely for some females but a Lady is never suppose to be injured by any sort of gentleman.
To a degree I strongly believe that it's some sort of Jeckle and Hyde complex. You don't marry a person, have good time, bad times and a child then go balistic all of a soden like that. Also the internal pain makes me believe that he does have some sort of split personality.
Though the similarites between him (Cid impossitor) and Dan are only appearence. Dan is a sweetheart and a fun loving guy who does the right thing.
Quote from: Azraelle on April 29, 2007, 04:46:22 PM
Quote from: Ruggy on April 29, 2007, 12:02:29 PM
I would think it pronounced like the name Aziz, but with an n instead of the first z. Which ends up sounding kind of like what you guys were saying already, but that's the first thing I thought of when I read it.
All this makes me think of is:
"ANIZ! LIGHT!"
Precisely! I was going to say something to that effect, but I wasn't sure how to fit it in gracefully. Ah, Fifth Element. Maybe he's just bitter from spending all those years as a glorified flashlight. =P
I just saw the black thumbnail thing and thought, "Aww, dang, Cid dies then, eh? Shame." Needless to say, I was a bit surprised. Not sure if I like this better, but hey, it's got my attention, at least. Certainly more interesting this way.
Quote from: SpottedKitty on April 29, 2007, 05:05:35 PM
Quote from: Fuyudenki on April 29, 2007, 02:39:09 PM
...while we know where Dan's is going to show up eventually, I don't know where Destania's is. It's not on her right shoulder, so apparently that isn't heredetary.
That depends on how much of Destania we've seen so far. If it was on her shoulder-blade (round the back) her wing might be in the way in most poses, unless she'd shapeshifted it away. Back in the kidnapping arc, we never got a look back there on that side — apart from a look at her tail and left shoulder (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_713.php), all we have are face-on views and back views where her wings cover everything (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_724.php). And we only saw her gazelle disguise from the front as well. So her marking could still be somewhere in the same area Dan's will appear: we just don't know yet.
your link to a left shoulder shot shows a very clear shot of her right shoulder, too. Granted, it could be down under her sleeve, but the area where Aaryanna's marking is on(granted, other shoulder) is at least partially bare, so we'd have noticed the top of the "universal symbol for female" poking over the sleeve.
Also, I think May would have noticed that Abel happened to have a tattoo the same shape and color as Cid's, especially if he's likely never seen it, which although not definite, I think it's probable he hasn't... Hmm, that's strong evidence that it's under his eyepatch, as someone suggested... though I just looked again, and while the clan marking is similar to a red-pupiled eye, it's not close enough. This really makes me wonder where it could be, as while my parents tend towards the hardcore conservative side of things(that is, they are in favor of gender-segregated sexual exucation classes), they've also given me the impression that a husband and wife generally know just about everything there is to know about their mate's body.
Of course, if he's pulled this charade for 25+ years already, I doubt Aniz would have much trouble bluffing something off, from hiding the marking itself to convincing May that it was something else entirely.
Now, I'm wondering if there's a tendancy for clan marking locations, or if they're generally random. Most of the ones we've seen thus far look pretty artistic.
It's been suggested that Cid was possessed. To look at it another way....perhaps Aniz was sealed away?
Quote from: Psy-Kosh on April 29, 2007, 02:25:39 PMAniz's current appearence and facial expression looks... familiar somehow though. I'm trying to figure out why.
The closest that comes to mind is 505 (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_505.php), but the poses really aren't similar at all.
Quote from: Raire on April 29, 2007, 04:31:58 PMI still can't remember what a delurk is, and I read it yesterday, I think in some rules for someplace...
You need to lurk (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lurker) moar.
Quote from: Raire on April 29, 2007, 04:31:58 PMIs it true that DMFA has a wiki page? If so, I definitely have to see it.
See it here (http://dmfa.wikia.com/wiki/Main_Page).
Quote from: Amber Williams on April 29, 2007, 04:35:22 PM*Documentary voice*
Here we see the rare and elusive Moonfrosticus Hornificus engaging in a time honoured baiting technique of the Manawolfica Deeondeous. A stubborn species, the Manawolfica will often be found holding his ground and territory against any and all potential predators and scavangers...which can sometimes leave him vulnerable to open attacks...
*cues the violin to the danger-music*
I wish I had the stills of Wile E. Coyote and the Road Runner to make the scientific names, but Pantomime Princess Margaret (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9OHK8iLewLg) will have to do.
I gotta agree with Mana, though. Sexiness never compensates for assholery. I almost wish such jerks on the people who would claim not to mind them. But I can't.
Quote from: Ruggy on April 29, 2007, 06:20:19 PMQuote from: Azraelle on April 29, 2007, 04:46:22 PM"ANIZ! LIGHT!"
Precisely! I was going to say something to that effect, but I wasn't sure how to fit it in gracefully. Ah, Fifth Element.
Aww, I was hoping you meant Tariq Aziz.
Quote from: Fuyudenki on April 29, 2007, 06:27:57 PMMost of the ones we've seen thus far look pretty artistic.
I'm imagining a Mondrian clan marking.
Quote from: Slipdance on April 29, 2007, 06:30:13 PM
It's been suggested that Cid was possessed. To look at it another way....perhaps Aniz was sealed away?
I dont know if cubi can REALLY be locked away inside their own mind. But then again, I never expected cid to even BE a cubi to begin with. Although, it could be possible that Aniz could have perhaps a split personality.
Quote from: superluser on April 29, 2007, 06:33:31 PM
I'm imagining a Mondrian clan marking.
I looked it up on Wikipedia, and I don't think I found what you were referring to, 'cause now
I'm imagining a clan marking that's just a block of green C++ code.
Blood he-
90 articles?
Wow.
Yes, I guess lurking is a good idea right now. XD
*scuttles off to one side*
Quote from: Fuyudenki on April 29, 2007, 06:43:11 PMQuote from: superluser on April 29, 2007, 06:33:31 PMI'm imagining a Mondrian clan marking.
I looked it up on Wikipedia, and I don't think I found what you were referring to, 'cause now I'm imagining a clan marking that's just a block of green C++ code.
Try Mondriaan (the original Dutch spelling). Or just follow this link (http://www.artchive.com/artchive/M/mondrian/mondrian_blue_plane.jpg.html). I love his work. Just y'know, having a hard time imagining it as a clan marking. Which is why it's so much fun to try.
EDIT: Another theory! What if May is a succubus, and this whole interaction is carefully scripted so that Abel gets traumatized in just the right way for [insert plans here]?
Sorry to break it to you guys, But I'm back...
Ok.
We're past your twisted ideas on what a "man" can get away with and still be considered okay. It's a few centuries back in the comic, but it's still assholery.
-.-; Ya know I really don't wanna have this argument with you right now... I'm not in the mood...
I'm not in the mood either. :<
Ow! Cold shoulder! And an arm to go with it... Ah, well. I know that probably I'd more than eagerly discuss with you, Zibani, but I'ma have to go with Bill with this one. Neither the thread nor the time, nor the right people. Welcome back.
Speaking of the thread, I find it amazing that we're on the tenth page, and are getting ever closer to filling this one. True, there might be a few short posts (coughBillcough), but it should still be taken as a hint. Donations? >:]
Unfortunately, I can't really say a single thing about the whole issue, or I might get worked up about it again... XP
I dont find it suprising one bit that this thread is already at ten pages soon to be eleven. I mean, this was a HEAVY curve ball about who the actual cubi was in the family. I'm still trying to grind out the whole WHY issue. But, I'm patient so I can always wait as the answer slowly comes forth in the future pages.
Yeah, I think the whole purpose of this thread is to figure out the why... XDD
well there are soo many possibilities as to WHY he did what he did. The thought of him just being a total Jerk wad is one that I'm thinking about. But, there is probably something more deep as to abel's father's actions. Perhaps instead of the thought of him being just hateful, maybe his mother is hiding a secret that abel has yet to know about.
HA!
See that Manawolf?! I'm not alone!!!
I can't see what you mean, but acting like a kid about it? real classy :rolleyes
That's the intended effect... I'm not really serious, I honestly couldn't care less...
OKAY PEOPLE THAT ARE SAYING THAT THE CLAN MARKING OF ANIZ is on his eye, I don't thing that true, Why? people go look at comic strip http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_721.php (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_721.php) and you'll understand what i mean
*Edit* oh ya, superluser it's just me or is it, like father like son?
I see some fake boobs, that's all.
Quote from: Rambon on April 29, 2007, 09:52:39 PM
OKAY PEOPLE THAT ARE SAYING THAT THE CLAN MARKING OF ANIZ is on his eye, I don't thing that true, Why? people go look at comic strip http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_721.php (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_721.php) and you'll understand what i mean
I fail to see the relevance. Its just Dan covered in morph magic to look like Alexsi. Besides, in the comic you can clearly see both of Aniz' eyes. And none of them have any markings on them. :U
This has probably been said.. but it is possible that May was "tricked" by the incubus, way back when, but he then left, leaving her and the Real Cid to raise able.. then he happened to come to the city see Cid or May, and decide to take his place.. *shrugs*
See, what I'm saying, is that He should have the same clan marking as abel, as They are supposed to be 'Father and son'...
Quote from: Xeksue on April 29, 2007, 09:56:14 PM
Dan covered in morph magic to look like Alexsi. Besides, in the comic you can clearly see both of Aniz' eyes. And none of them have any markings on them. :U
Ehh, i ment the eye in panel two...
It's just make up / an angry expression. You guys are so cute.
Quote from: Zibani on April 29, 2007, 09:58:02 PM
See, what I'm saying, is that He should have the same clan marking as abel, as They are supposed to be 'Father and son'...
Perhaps we can get Moonfrost to do a full body search if its absolutely necessary.
Quote from: Xeksue on April 29, 2007, 10:00:59 PM
Quote from: Zibani on April 29, 2007, 09:58:02 PM
See, what I'm saying, is that He should have the same clan marking as abel, as They are supposed to be 'Father and son'...
Perhaps we can get Moonfrost to do a full body search if its absolutely necessary.
bring a rubber glove lol
Besides all that, if Aniz is really Abel's father, it's going to be obvious if we ever saw his marking, as they'd have the same clan symbol...
Quote from: multani82 on April 29, 2007, 09:35:25 PMPerhaps instead of the thought of him being just hateful, maybe his mother is hiding a secret that abel has yet to know about.
I'd like to be on the record as saying that I think it's unlikely that Kria's instructor was May in disgiuse, that she got back and had a couple hours' discussion with Hennya before Abel got back. Unless she had a warp aci.
Of course, if that were the case...
Maybe Cid found out that May was Kria's instructor. He couldn't find it out from Kria, since she didn't know, but maybe he found it out from Selev's brother, who ran away as soon as she ordered them to kill her own son. Cid probably knew some incubi whom he saw as informants or other non-rampaging creatures.
He calls in a favor from Aniz--his wife has turned out to be a rather nasty succubus, and Cid probably can't defeat someone who knows him so well at his advanced age. Would Aniz mind coming by and capturing his wife?
But all this is far too HaPpY! and I think it's much more likely that Aniz is a total b*stard, and he's doing what he's doing because he's a dick. Honestly, I don't see why some people have such a hard time with the fact that Aniz is probably a jerk.
(I have a problem with him suddenly becoming so impulsive, but not with him being a jerk)
Quote from: Rambon on April 29, 2007, 09:52:39 PM*Edit* oh ya, superluser it's just me or is it, like father like son?
*Is confused*
See, it took Aridas to finally say it. If they're related, they would have the same clan marking. That's how it works.
Quote from: Xeksue on April 29, 2007, 10:00:59 PM
Perhaps we can get Moonfrost to do a full body search if its absolutely necessary.
I can see that.
"Excuse me, Cubi Aniz sir, we are trying to establish your parenthood over Abel. Please strip so we can do a full body searc-eurgh!" *suddenly has something very point and lethal in throat*
... I think somebody in the forums will go crazy at the idea of Aniz stripping.
You probley havent heard...But no RPing in the threds :P
Quote from: Raire on April 29, 2007, 10:08:47 PM
... I think somebody in the forums will go crazy at the idea of Aniz stripping.
Really? What would ever give you that idea?
Quote from: Zedd on April 29, 2007, 10:10:42 PM
You probley havent heard...But no RPing in the threds :P
I've heard, all RP is meant to be in the haunted ballroom. Except for Alondro who is "unique" ;). It wasn't meant as an RP response for the record.
So a 'cubi can never shapeshift their clan marking away, but do they have the ability to at least change it's location on their body? Seems to me like a skilled shapeshifter would be able to do that, but since it's not just a simple tattoo-like mark, I don't know.
Quote from: Azraelle on April 29, 2007, 10:16:01 PM
So a 'cubi can never shapeshift their clan marking away, but do they have the ability to at least change it's location on their body? Seems to me like a skilled shapeshifter would be able to do that, but since it's not just a simple tattoo-like mark, I don't know.
They most certainly do not have that ability. It would cheapen the idea behind the fact that they can't hide it from others with shapeshifting.
Quote from: Zedd on April 29, 2007, 10:10:42 PM
You probley havent heard...But no RPing in the threds :P
Oops.
I need to lurk more.
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Umm.. I guess that is my cue to disappear to the rules so I at least know what to think of this now. Thank you both for advice... and I guess I'll message a mod. Or something.
Quote from: Zedd on April 29, 2007, 10:10:42 PMYou probley havent heard...But no RPing in the threds :P
Er...
Zedd, you're not a moderator and I'm not a moderator, but I don't think I've seen anyone RPing in the threads since Ace/Doraion. Not even Charles/Charline/Alondro.
I did see Raire doing sample dialogue, but I'm pretty sure that that doesn't count as role playing. You're probably going to give some of the newbies the wrong idea about what is or is not allowed on the forums, and that's no good.
Also, to the newbies: don't trust anything that non-moderators say about the rules. Not even anything that I say. The rules (http://clockworkmansion.com/main.php?page=rules) (and clarifications by the moderators--which, as mentioned in the rules, includes llearch) say it all.
I don't trust you, Super. Especially because you're going off topic! Let's go back to speculating family trees and berating sexual fantasies!!
Quote from: Azraelle on April 29, 2007, 10:16:01 PM
So a 'cubi can never shapeshift their clan marking away, but do they have the ability to at least change it's location on their body? Seems to me like a skilled shapeshifter would be able to do that, but since it's not just a simple tattoo-like mark, I don't know.
The Wiki says its in the same general area and all that so.. *shrugs*
They could wear cloths over it or what not..
Or Make their into a patern that might make it blend in some..
Quote from: Netami on April 29, 2007, 10:11:38 PM
Quote from: Raire on April 29, 2007, 10:08:47 PM
... I think somebody in the forums will go crazy at the idea of Aniz stripping.
Really? What would ever give you that idea?
Oh, noooooothing, just a particular insistence on behalf of
somebody on Aniz's cuteness. There was somebody else... had an Aniz sig.
We expect drooling now.
Quote from: Netami on April 29, 2007, 10:23:42 PM
I don't trust you, Super. Especially because you're going off topic! Let's go back to speculating family trees and berating sexual fantasies!!
I'd be okay with that! :giggle *drools*
You are going to get SO berated for that! :rant
Quote from: Netami on April 29, 2007, 10:23:42 PMI don't trust you, Super. Especially because you're going off topic! Let's go back to speculating family trees and berating sexual fantasies!!
OK. How's this:
Quote from: Netami on April 29, 2007, 10:17:41 PMQuote from: Azraelle on April 29, 2007, 10:16:01 PMSo a 'cubi can never shapeshift their clan marking away, but do they have the ability to at least change it's location on their body? Seems to me like a skilled shapeshifter would be able to do that, but since it's not just a simple tattoo-like mark, I don't know.
They most certainly do not have that ability. It would cheapen the idea behind the fact that they can't hide it from others with shapeshifting.
How could they not? Could you grow another right arm just below your present right arm? Could you change your old right arm into a left arm? Could you grow another head between the two? Now, all you need to do is retract your old left arm, your old head and rotate them so that you're erect, and now whatever was on your right shoulder is on your left shoulder.
P.S. Have you ever thought about editing Conservapedia? A few of us think it would be fun to see you tweaking those guys.
XD That sounds painful superluser...
I don't know the answer to that, Super. Tell you what, though, I will just make up some BS theory and tout it as fact in a bid to bring Amber out here to tell us the real deal.
As shapeshifters, cubi can almost certainly grow back any severed limb, except perhaps the head and only if that is it's true head and not some shapeshifting, no-brain head. If they lost the arm that their clan sign was on, it would just regrow right back as a natural reflex. The sign is an important thing about the cubi race; from a design standpoint, it's there to give the at least SOME form of weakness in the fact that people know what to look for when dealing with them. This is muffled somewhat by the possibility of signs being in hard to see places, but I don't think you need to add to that perk by allowing them to change where it is, though changing your appearance to camouflage in with the sign is a good idea.
That's just my idea, though. Which happens to be correct. 100%.
It depends on the type of shapeshifter, it would seem the cubi shapeshifters are capable of alterations while remaining in mostly in humanoid form, so the marking would show up whereever it would be normally on the cubi's base form. Now if cubi are capable of COMPLETE shapeshifting into something that is not of a humanoid form, like a cardboard box, or a giant amoeba, the marking would probably be whereever they will it to be.
Amber herself would have to tell us the full extent one could shapeshift assuming they have perfect skill.
I've seen no RPing either, since Dorian. I didn't check the link, but I'm sure superluser gave a correct one. Feel free to PM me with any questions :)
Quote from: Xeksue on April 29, 2007, 10:39:57 PM
It depends on the type of shapeshifter, it would seem the cubi shapeshifters are capable of alterations while remaining in mostly in humanoid form, so the marking would show up whereever it would be normally on the cubi's base form. Now if cubi are capable of COMPLETE shapeshifting into something that is not of a humanoid form, like a cardboard box, or a giant amoeba, the marking would probably be whereever they will it to be.
Amber herself would have to tell us the full extent one could shapeshift assuming they have perfect skill.
Dr. Ink claims he can shapeshift into the floor, which probably means that his clan marking appears where his forehead/buttox(depending on whether you go by the player's design or Amber's design) is intended to be.
Of course, the Forehead variant also claims to be covered via Cubi shapeshifting, so we only have to worry about where Amber's version would show up. It'd be easy enough to hide it, though, if he just keeps the mark on his underside by sliding around the academy face-up.
Also, I would assume that Cubi can
not regenerate just any hacked-off limb. We haven't seen any cubi with injuries, but that doesn't mean they don't get them. I suspect it's more like tweaking a muscle than oozing your amorphous body form, and if the muscles get cut off, then they've got nothing to tweak with, so you'd have to cover the stump with auxiliary material. Probably wings.
yeah cubi cant regen missing limbs. I dont remmember the comic strip but it was the one where abel was in the infirmary of the SAIA college when he had his wing torn off and they had to put it back on for him.
Quote from: multani82 on April 29, 2007, 11:16:55 PM
yeah cubi cant regen missing limbs. I dont remmember the comic strip but it was the one where abel was in the infirmary of the SAIA college when he had his wing torn off and they had to put it back on for him.
HEY, I forgot about that! Yeah, Here' (http://missmab.com/Comics/Vol_595.php)s the one where RJ mentions Abel's missing wing, and she stitches it back on via magic in the next one.
On a side-note, I love the way Amber will gank copyrights to various chacters' body parts in jest. For example, apparently, Raine doesn't own her own hands anymore, Amber does. :P
Quote from: multani82 on April 29, 2007, 11:16:55 PMyeah cubi cant regen missing limbs. I dont remmember the comic strip but it was the one where abel was in the infirmary of the SAIA college when he had his wing torn off and they had to put it back on for him.
It's probably not the best idea to regenerate lost structures. Assuming some sort of conservation of matter, if you *lose* your wing, you've lost a good kilo or two. Getting it reattached will result in no loss of matter.
Quote from: Fuyudenki on April 29, 2007, 11:21:59 PM
Quote from: multani82 on April 29, 2007, 11:16:55 PM
yeah cubi cant regen missing limbs. I dont remmember the comic strip but it was the one where abel was in the infirmary of the SAIA college when he had his wing torn off and they had to put it back on for him.
HEY, I forgot about that! Yeah, Here' (http://missmab.com/Comics/Vol_595.php)s the one where RJ mentions Abel's missing wing, and she stitches it back on via magic in the next one.
On a side-note, I love the way Amber will gank copyrights to various chacters' body parts in jest. For example, apparently, Raine doesn't own her own hands anymore, Amber does. :P
Yeah I think that was more for comedic effect than an actual example of how lost limbs function.
Okay, regeneration, shape shifting, two different things. Dragons can shapeshift too (as has also been seen), but they're not regenerators either. You can't shapeshift an arm back, the trauma to the severed area is too much for it to be grown back through shapeshifting.
They probably have good enough magic to regenerate through a spell anyway.
Quote from: Manawolf on April 29, 2007, 11:30:14 PM
Okay, regeneration, shape shifting, two different things. Dragons can shapeshift too (as has also been seen), but they're not regenerators either. You can't shapeshift an arm back, the trauma to the severed area is too much for it to be grown back through shapeshifting.
They probably have good enough magic to regenerate through a spell anyway.
Good point about the magic
On the topic of clan markings, Destina is blue and her marking is blue. Its possable that the marking just blends in with her fur color.
At this point i still think it's possible that Aniz is not Ables father but if he was, he has red wings suposably so if his marking was on his wing it would be hidden. But that still doesn't exsplane how he hid it from May. Thats why I think Cid was the real Cid at one point and this cubi has only been posing for a short while.
Note, many ways to cover the body, and thus any markings you have on the body.
And if you want to bring up the problem of being naked during sex, you don't have to be completely naked to have sex. Some used to do it through a sheet in some cultures.
Or through a bathroom stall in furry cultures! :boogie
On the ropic of shapeshifting healing, hears an example:
In a Forotten Realms book i read once, there was a race of shapeshifters called the *Malgruym*?(something like that) Mages, and they could shapeshift into almost any form. In fact, you would rarely ever see a Malgruym in a single form, they would usually have random forms like, a starfish head, a tentacle arm, a horse lower body, ect ect, and they could also shift the location of their organs. The other thing they could do was morph away any injury that doesnt actually get a vital organ, like, say, their heart, and if they were about to be stabbed where their heart was, they would just moph it out of the way. The only thing they can't do(with out at least healing magic) is morph away an injury caused by a silvered weapon.
Relevance to topic: Cubi do not have that kind of extensive natural shapeshifting. If they did, they would be like the Malgruym; damn near invincible, yet Cubi die by adventurers all the time (I assume). And since Fi considered Abel turning into Merlitz "changing his base form", implying that that in itself was "extensive shapeshifting". This is why I doubt any Cubi even has the shapeshifting savvy to radically change their anatomy, which is why I dont think any of them could move their marking, by say, moving the body part it is on.
And just to help the point I'm going to be making, even though everyone knows this, Cubi can't morph away their marking, period, not even with morphing magic, I believe. I brought a similar concept up in the old Abel's Heritage Theories thread; I highly doubt that this Aniz jack*ss could have been carrying this on for any extended period of time, because May would HAD have noticed it at SOME point (prolly in bed), and would not have reacted the way she did when she saw Abel's marking. And this Aniz *sshole's headwings don't match Abel's, yet Dan's wings do match Destania's.
With all of this being said, I am for any theory where Aniz is NOT Abel's real father........ well actually, any theory that involes any non-Cubi being the one who has been haging out with May for the past two decades. While I don't doubt that any Cubi could be capable of that kind of charade, they. Can't. Hide. Their. Mark. May would have noticed it at SOME point. I am for the theories like, Aniz hates Cid for some reason, and is doing this to f**k around with Cid's family, or maybe May is a succubus and Cid has "hired" Aniz for this, or anything along those lines. I doubt any theories where Cid really is the Cubi, cuz theire is just no way he could have hidden it from May for so long.
ok, I think i'm done....prolly left something out...but oh well.
EDIT: ah, but manawolf, i seriously doubt that Furrae has that kind of culture. In fact, that is the very reason why I don't think anyone could hide their mark for so long. Ok, so it may be possible to have sex without being completely naked, but seriously, how may people actually do that here, much less in Furrae?
EDIT: Bathroom stall in furry cultures? :erk where the hell did you get that?
Unless it's on the groin, it can still be hidden.
You've never heard of a GLORY HOLE? :mwaha
And cubi can do whatever they want because they are all powerful beings. They could shapeshift like your so-called race, but why would they?
Still had to do it once the traditional style to get Abel, you know. That's just how anthromorphic reproduction works.
no, Cubi CAN'T moph like the Malgruym, otherwise Abel wouldn't have needed to get his wing magically sewed back on by RJ. And no, I have never heard of a freaking glory hole, whatever the hell that is. (and don't even try to blame me for that, I am always so annoyed whenever someone accuses me of not knowing something, but if no one has ever told me before, then how the hell is it my fault?)
Quote from: Manawolf on April 30, 2007, 12:17:50 AM
Still had to do it once the traditional style to get Abel, you know. That's just how anthromorphic reproduction works.
is that in response to Netami, or me? If me, what the hell is that supposed to mean?
He means they had to have sex for a child to be born. That's how animals work, you need to have sex. SEX!
And again, that scene was probably for comedic effect. Why would you base a theory on one little section of a joke strip instead of waiting to hear it from the horse's mouth! What cubi can and cannot do as far as transformations go is a question that should be answered only by the creator of the race. Or the donation bar. :rolleyes
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Quote from: Netami on April 30, 2007, 12:24:37 AM
He means they had to have sex for a child to be born. That's how animals work, you need to have sex. SEX!
Ok, i know THAT, jesus, i meant, what does it have to do with not seeing the mark at some point?
Quote from: Netami on April 30, 2007, 12:24:37 AM
And again, that scene was probably for comedic effect. Why would you base a theory on one little section of a joke strip instead of waiting to hear it from the horse's mouth!
I doubt that was a jokestrip, because RJ was busy healing him for TWO strips. If Cubi realy are ubermorphers, why would they even have a medical ward, let alone medics??
Quote from: Fuyudenki on April 30, 2007, 12:29:32 AM
you're better off not knowing. Barring that, if we take this conversational line any further, we're going to get banned, so let's just stuff all the sex-related commentary in a very deep, dark corner, and forget about it.
Sex is a natural act, and we're discussing the idea of it's outcome, not the dirty little details. Shove a brick in it, you're not an admin! Regardless of what theories you have about how long Cid has been Aniz or if Cid ever was really a real person, the fact is that he had to fornicate with May at one point or another!
And glitch, you'd be surprised how often serious strips are to be taken lightly and how many joke strips are completely serious. And what does sex have to do with seeing the mark? I dunno. Maybe it's on the bottom of a foot, sheesh. I was just interjecting how certain cultures function :ipod
Quote from: Netami on April 30, 2007, 12:33:09 AM
...how often serious strips are to be taken lightly and how many joke strips are completely serious.
two oxymorons, and neither of them make sense.
Welcome to DMFA, dude.
Oh come on. I know alot of things here are done for jokes, but aside from the "what makes a comic great" arc which was officially declared non-canon, how many times has Amber pulled a conflicting joke? On the first pages of this very freaking thread someone with firsthand experience described just how much of a detail-freak the real Amber really is.
Yeah, and at the same time she often deals with serious subjects in a joking manner while other times making serious statements when it's just fluff and sunshine. Even if she was inserting some real-life physics into the joke that was Abel getting the tar beaten out of him during the end of the SAIA arc, it seems like a very small amount of proof to base your conclusions on.
Exactly, she put a joking spin on pretty much everything, even serious subjects, but they are still serious-and true "Oh come on! They're breaking up! It's not funny!" And like I've already said, if cubi really could ubermorph, they wouldn't be as popular adventurer fodder as they are, and I REEEAAALLY doubt the average adventuring party would take them like this:
http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_708.php
That's a dangerous maxim to live by, but I'll let you continue to think that way because I respect you. :hug
YOu must hate a lot of comedians if you believe that.
Who, me? I like comedians. Used to be one myself.
Quote from: Fuyudenki on April 30, 2007, 12:29:32 AM
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Actually, you can, provided you're suggesting, not telling.
Telling people what to do should be left for admins or offensive morons. Try not to be either, and you'll likely be ok :-]
As far as the regeneration of lost limbs goes, I believe I've seen something somewhere that Cubi have "fairly good regeneration capabilities", so if they lost a limb, it would, eventually, grow back. However, I can't recall off the top of my head where that might be, and, since it might well be non-canon, that leaves us with no further satisfaction than we had before I started talking.
... -I- feel better, though. :-]
Quote from: llearch n'n'daCorna on April 30, 2007, 04:18:11 AMActually, you can, provided you're suggesting, not telling.
Telling people what to do should be left for admins or offensive morons. Try not to be either, and you'll likely be ok :-]
I suggest things occasionally (though I make it clear that I'm not a mod). In fact, I would have typically phrased my comment to Zedd slightly differently (something like, ``I'm no mod, but that doesn't look like RPing'').
But there are a lot of newbies, and I could see that this was going to get very confusing, very quickly.
Quote from: llearch n'n'daCorna on April 30, 2007, 04:18:11 AMAs far as the regeneration of lost limbs goes, I believe I've seen something somewhere that Cubi have "fairly good regeneration capabilities", so if they lost a limb, it would, eventually, grow back. However, I can't recall off the top of my head where that might be, and, since it might well be non-canon, that leaves us with no further satisfaction than we had before I started talking.
Your search-fu is weak (http://clockworkmansion.com/forum/index.php?topic=574.msg10296#msg10296). (This one might be even better (http://clockworkmansion.com/forum/index.php?topic=574.msg10293#msg10293))
Quote from: superluser on April 30, 2007, 08:23:09 AM
But there are a lot of newbies, and I could see that this was going to get very confusing, very quickly.
Indeed. Which is one of the reasons I was so happy to see Damaris step in and clear things up. :-]
Quote from: superluser on April 30, 2007, 08:23:09 AM
Your search-fu is weak (http://clockworkmansion.com/forum/index.php?topic=574.msg10296#msg10296). (This one might be even better (http://clockworkmansion.com/forum/index.php?topic=574.msg10293#msg10293))
I didn't search, being a bit pushed for time at the time. If I had, I would have run across this... :-P
Thanks for saving me the effort, though...
Quote from: llearch n'n'daCorna on April 30, 2007, 04:18:11 AM
Actually, you can, provided you're suggesting, not telling.
Telling people what to do should be left for admins or offensive morons. Try not to be either, and you'll likely be ok :-]
This is true, my original post was entirely too forceful.
That said, I suspect the response would have been the same, but that conversational train is off-topic AND done with, so I will refrain from my philosophical response to it.
Ok, who saw that coming? I sure didn't.
Quote from: Aleolus on April 30, 2007, 11:08:43 AM
Ok, who saw that coming? I sure didn't.
Im sure NOONE saw that one comming....wait..we're still talking about the comic right? :erk
..................... :erk
..................................... :O
(tries several times to form some sort of word, but keeps stuttering and looking confused) B....s........g...a......n..... :mowdizzy
Quote from: Black_angel on April 30, 2007, 12:39:59 PM
..................... :erk
..................................... :O
(tries several times to form some sort of word, but keeps stuttering and looking confused) B....s........g...a......n..... :mowdizzy
I know.
You're kind of late if you just read the comic though XD We have twelve pages, and tempers are running high.
Quote from: Raire on April 30, 2007, 01:35:01 PM
You're kind of late if you just read the comic though XD We have twelve pages, and tempers are running high.
Oh, I think it's almost entirely indisputable that the administrators have managed to pour the forum-wise equivalent of a few barrels of icy cold water down the necks of the various instigators of the elevated temperatures and pulse rates. At least, one would hope that we've managed to cool the running battle down a bit :-]
Quote from: llearch n'n'daCorna on April 30, 2007, 01:49:31 PM
Oh, I think it's almost entirely indisputable that the administrators have managed to pour the forum-wise equivalent of a few barrels of icy cold water down the necks of the various instigators of the elevated temperatures and pulse rates. At least, one would hope that we've managed to cool the running battle down a bit :-]
Thankfully (and fortunately for them) they haven't received the icy chill of doom that freezes instigators in their paces that Amber can be.
But then, that is what admins do. Bottle explosions. No wait, that sounds like a lame merchandising logo, next thing we know we'd have a campaign along the lines of "admins selling the bottled explosion! Release at home and take cover!" or something.
... Oops, I wandered off topic again.
Regarding Superluser's "evil May" theory, here's a few points that occurred to me.
If she was also a succubus it would explain Abel's bat-wings, since Aniz appears to be entirely feathered.
It's also quite interesting that someone tries to kill Abel mere days after his mother notices his clan-mark (using the theory that May is Kria's instructor and the whole thing was a hit), but it leaves the question of why she would want to kill her son... unless of course she's realised that it's Aniz' clanmark and not hers.
Of course if this is the case, it means she's a damn good actress when she was helping Hennya, and when Abel returns. I'm not sure her thinking "Shit! The little bastard survived!" quite accounts for her panic...
Either way, Abel's going to be left in an undefined mental state - discovering that both his parents were evil monsters in disguise would also account for his shapeshifting hangup.
Quote from: Raire on April 30, 2007, 01:54:55 PM
Thankfully (and fortunately for them) they haven't received the icy chill of doom that freezes instigators in their paces that Amber can be.
But then, that is what admins do. Bottle explosions. No wait, that sounds like a lame merchandising logo, next thing we know we'd have a campaign along the lines of "admins selling the bottled explosion! Release at home and take cover!" or something.
... Oops, I wandered off topic again.
I didn't see anything meriting icy cold water, you guys are wimps! But I sure could go for some right about now... *gra-- Oh wait, I can't RP mundane actions because it is pointless and annoying! Perhaps I could... emoticon my way to victory...
:cheers
Behold! Beer!
EDIT: Ugh, off-topic there. Umm.. ABEL'S DAD IS HOT.
Quote from: Tapewolf on April 30, 2007, 02:01:43 PM
Regarding Superluser's "evil May" theory, here's a few points that occurred to me.
If she was also a succubus it would explain Abel's bat-wings, since Aniz appears to be entirely feathered.
It's also quite interesting that someone tries to kill Abel mere days after his mother notices his clan-mark (using the theory that May is Kria's instructor and the whole thing was a hit), but it leaves the question of why she would want to kill her son... unless of course she's realised that it's Aniz' clanmark and not hers.
Of course if this is the case, it means she's a damn good actress when she was helping Hennya, and when Abel returns. I'm not sure her thinking "Shit! The little bastard survived!" quite accounts for her panic...
Either way, Abel's going to be left in an undefined mental state - discovering that both his parents were evil monsters in disguise would also account for his shapeshifting hangup.
The only problem with May being a Succubus is, that offspring will generally take after the Being parent, and Abel has clearly taken after May. At this point, though, I doubt that the Aniz jerksh*t is Abel's real father anyway.
Quote from: techmaster-glitch on April 30, 2007, 02:12:11 PM
The only problem with May being a Succubus is, that offspring will generally take after the Being parent, and Abel has clearly taken after May. At this point, though, I doubt that the Aniz jerksh*t is Abel's real father anyway.
We don't know what happens if
both parents are 'cubi.
Quote from: Netami on April 30, 2007, 02:06:19 PM
EDIT: Ugh, off-topic there. Umm.. ABEL'S DAD IS HOT.
And my friends ask me why my foot is one big scratch-scar. I scared my puppy laughing again. >> umm, I think I'm going to
walk limp away for my first aid kit.
But... yeah, Aniz is hot.
But evil the :censored
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I always wondered why Abel was so clearly taking after his mother's side. I actually did wonder if somehow Abel wasn't Cid's son... eye color so clearly not the same, not the hair, the fur, though nothing but the green eye shows the different heritage. I might note that both green and blue eyes are more recessive then Cid's brownish- hazel eyes. That is without addressing Aniz, who has friggin red eyes.
Quote from: Raire on April 30, 2007, 01:54:55 PM
Thankfully (and fortunately for them) they haven't received the icy chill of doom that freezes instigators in their paces that Amber can be.
*cough* Amber is a cuddly fuzzy bunny compared to Darkmoon.
When Damaris gets invoked, she makes Darkmoon look like a mow gumming on your foot. Trust me. :-]
Quote from: llearch n'n'daCorna on April 30, 2007, 02:28:31 PM
Quote from: Raire on April 30, 2007, 01:54:55 PM
Thankfully (and fortunately for them) they haven't received the icy chill of doom that freezes instigators in their paces that Amber can be.
*cough* Amber is a cuddly fuzzy bunny compared to Darkmoon.
When Damaris gets invoked, she makes Darkmoon look like a mow gumming on your foot. Trust me. :-]
I... I think I'm writing down those names. *shiver*
Quote from: Tapewolf on April 30, 2007, 02:01:43 PM(using the theory that May is Kria's instructor and the whole thing was a hit), but it leaves the question of why she would want to kill her son...
Your theory isn't bad, but I never meant to suggest that the attack was supposed to be a hit on Abel.
After all, in that case, May would probably have taken Abel out herself. She certainly wouldn't have sent Kria out to do mop-up, and she would probably have simply fired off a spell to kill Abel while he was ``scampering away.''
She would not have panicked to see Abel return, because she knew that Abel was still alive.
So the options for why Abel would be at his mother's killing fields would probably be one of the following:
1.) May wants Abel to see a creature kill, probably to get the excitement of it. She got Kria to do mop-up, because she knows that Kria wouldn't be able to kill Abel.
2.) May didn't know that Abel was going to be there, but she feels no particular loyalty to Abel, and the creatures cannot know who she is--and they certainly cannot show any compassion or other weakness. May might have actually planned the attack to be away from Abel's route, but Abel met up with Devin, who saw the smoke from miles away, and that brought them to the fort.
Also, I think Amber said that the child *typically* takes after the being parent. That `typically' is a good weasel word for when you get called on it later. ``No, I never said that they take after the being. Just that they typically do. That means that sometimes, they don't. This is one of those times.''
I'd like to emphasize that this theory is only barely plausible. Somebody wasn't happy with Cid being a jerk, and the theory just sort of popped into my head, like the Stay-Puft Marshmallow man. (I was actually off to church at the time, and I knew that I wouldn't be able to focus on the mass if I didn't get that theory out of my head)
Quote from: Raire on April 30, 2007, 02:34:16 PMQuote from: llearch n'n'daCorna on April 30, 2007, 02:28:31 PM*cough* Amber is a cuddly fuzzy bunny compared to Darkmoon.
When Damaris gets invoked, she makes Darkmoon look like a mow gumming on your foot. Trust me. :-]
I... I think I'm writing down those names. *shiver*
You won't need to. They will be in your nightmares.
Edit: I should note that Darkmoon and Damaris are typically nice, fun people (well, Darkmoon would probably kill me if I called him nice--good humored, perhaps). But when they get angry, they get very angry. In that quiet, reserved, ``You'd better check to see if your house is still in one piece'' sort of way.
Quote from: superluser on April 30, 2007, 02:49:18 PM
Quote from: Raire on April 30, 2007, 02:34:16 PMQuote from: llearch n'n'daCorna on April 30, 2007, 02:28:31 PM*cough* Amber is a cuddly fuzzy bunny compared to Darkmoon.
When Damaris gets invoked, she makes Darkmoon look like a mow gumming on your foot. Trust me. :-]
I... I think I'm writing down those names. *shiver*
You won't need to. They will be in your nightmares.
Meep :mowsad
Quote from: superluser on April 30, 2007, 02:49:18 PM
She would not have panicked to see Abel return, because she knew that Abel was still alive.
Good point.
QuoteMay might have actually planned the attack to be away from Abel's route, but Abel met up with Devin, who saw the smoke from miles away, and that brought them to the fort.
This touches on another good point - Abel's visit to the fort was
unplanned and not something May could have known in advance.
Even if this theory is bunk, there is still something we're missing from the equation. Currently available data suggests that Abel should have full-feathered wings. Maybe we'll find the answer to that on Wednesday...
Quote from: llearch n'n'daCorna on April 30, 2007, 02:28:31 PM
Quote from: Raire on April 30, 2007, 01:54:55 PM
Thankfully (and fortunately for them) they haven't received the icy chill of doom that freezes instigators in their paces that Amber can be.
*cough* Amber is a cuddly fuzzy bunny compared to Darkmoon.
When Damaris gets invoked, she makes Darkmoon look like a mow gumming on your foot. Trust me. :-]
What do I look like when I get involved? >:3
Okay, am now registered and delurking (oh look, the count went up ;P ).
I personally hold with the view that since May was the one to point out "what the heck are these" to Able about his headwings before he even knew they were actually there (after all, for all he knew, Devin was pulling his hair), she is either a) an *extremely* good actress, b) a creature that doesn't know a whole lotta beans about cubi, or c) is a regular being. I'm going with c right now, though the one pic of her confronting the old school's headmistress makes me lean towards option b....
Anyway, since "Cid" was an adventurer, that could have always been short for "adventurer killer." And either way, because of his occupation, he probably wouldn't have been home very often, or for very long. Which would account for both him being able to be replaced (if that was the case) and May not noticing a cubi mark, if he really has been a cubi in disguise for the last 2 decades. Given what happened this weekend, I'm more in favor of him having actually been an adventurer named Cid for the last two decades, and May having been fooled by a cubi, with May now being fooled again either by the same cubi, or a different one. After all, how many cubi can an adventurer anger in at least 30+ years of going off into weird encounters. "My name is Indigo Montoya, you killed my father, prepare to die" type thing. It's always possible that May was seduced, Cid killed said seducer, and this current cubi is getting revenge by going after the family in a different way.
And my train of thought has now derailed, so~
Quote from: Tapewolf on April 30, 2007, 03:22:36 PMQuote from: superluser on April 30, 2007, 02:49:18 PMMay might have actually planned the attack to be away from Abel's route, but Abel met up with Devin, who saw the smoke from miles away, and that brought them to the fort.
This touches on another good point - Abel's visit to the fort was unplanned and not something May could have known in advance.
I could have said that, but I chose not to.
Specifically, because I refuted it before, and I was sure that someone would find that statement and throw it in my face.
See, it's quite possible that Cindy's death wasn't a suicide. May could have been feeding Cindy negative emotions so that she would kill herself and thus give Abel a reason to go to Cantiv and put him in the right frame of mind for the upcoming attack.
Well other than the fact i think that "May is a demon/cubi" theory Might be Somewhat on the whack side :mowignore , thou It might be more to the demon than cubi. Me thinks that the cubi really isn't poor abel's dad but an impostor. thou there are more ways than one to make a cubi [other than *cough cough* if you get my drift
Quote from: superluser on April 30, 2007, 03:49:51 PM
See, it's quite possible that Cindy's death wasn't a suicide. May could have been feeding Cindy negative emotions so that she would kill herself and thus give Abel a reason to go to Cantiv and put him in the right frame of mind for the upcoming attack.
That idea is so scary, I'm actually taking it seriously, because the offcahnce of it being true would twist Abel a lot. And... really a lot.
But if it's May, then why have Hennya there?
Quote from: BillBuckner on April 30, 2007, 03:27:31 PM
Quote from: llearch n'n'daCorna on April 30, 2007, 02:28:31 PM
Quote from: Raire on April 30, 2007, 01:54:55 PM
Thankfully (and fortunately for them) they haven't received the icy chill of doom that freezes instigators in their paces that Amber can be.
*cough* Amber is a cuddly fuzzy bunny compared to Darkmoon.
When Damaris gets invoked, she makes Darkmoon look like a mow gumming on your foot. Trust me. :-]
What do I look like when I get involved? >:3
Like a hug. :3
:objection This is going off topic!
That's too bad. :cry
Quote from: Raire on April 30, 2007, 03:54:18 PMBut if it's May, then why have Hennya there?
To kill her in front of Abel?
You know what's is going to happen next I see May and Abel lay waste to Aniz with Henna and Kria to get in for seconds. I hope that bastard gets what he deserves. >:3
Quote from: superluser on April 30, 2007, 02:49:18 PM
Also, I think Amber said that the child *typically* takes after the being parent. That `typically' is a good weasel word for when you get called on it later. ``No, I never said that they take after the being. Just that they typically do. That means that sometimes, they don't. This is one of those times.''
I note that Amber is quite good at using weasel-words. I'm wondering if she took any logic classes, or philosophy, or something, to while away the time between the art classes...
Of course, I'd hate to actually -know-, because it'd ruin all the speculation. :-]
Quote from: Raire on April 30, 2007, 02:53:31 PM
Quote from: superluser on April 30, 2007, 02:49:18 PM
You won't need to. They will be in your nightmares.
Meep :mowsad
As superluser went on to say, they're usually fuzzy bunnies anyway. Provided you follow the rules, and pay attention when people drag you back on topic, you're probably pretty safe. It takes a bit to annoy them, after all.
I guess I should clarify - when I say "people", I guess I mean "people whose names are on the Rules page in the section listing administrators and moderators" :-] But pulling yourself back in anyway is polite for the rest of the folks, too, so... :-]
Does this thread feel like a dead horse to you Llearch?
Why, does it need more flogging? :-)
... Now, where did I see that emoticon?
Quote from: llearch n'n'daCorna on April 30, 2007, 05:16:44 PM
Why, does it need more flogging? :-)
... Now, where did I see that emoticon?
The idea of an emoticon is enough, I think.
Honestly, I'd rather do this to the dead horse than do it to Amber to get her to update sooner ( And effectively kill her...)
WAIT! Keep the horse alive a little longer! I need to post something coherent now that I've calmed down!
Quote from: Raire on April 30, 2007, 01:35:01 PM
Quote from: Black_angel on April 30, 2007, 12:39:59 PM
..................... :erk
..................................... :O
(tries several times to form some sort of word, but keeps stuttering and looking confused) B....s........g...a......n..... :mowdizzy
I know.
You're kind of late if you just read the comic though XD We have twelve pages, and tempers are running high.
Yeah, I know I'm late. My parents are strict about the "away from the computer and upstairs by ten" rule, so usually I have to wait till morning to read the comic.
Aaaaaanyways. Now that the shock is gone...
Amber, I have deeper respect for you now than ever before. Most writers wouldn't really have the courage to destroy the character everyone loves in they way you did. But you were brave enough to follow your muse, albeit talented enough to make me enjoy the twist while hating Aniz. You are an amazing storyteller. :hug
Also, I find myself having a Muraki complex for Aniz. I HATE him, but I don't. HE'S A B#$@%#$ AND HE SHOULD DIE AT KRIA'S HAND - but he's hot. I hope I can start REALLY hating him next update. He'd be fun to hate.
And now.... the speculation! (If any of this was already posted, I'm sorry. I just would like to post this now.)
You know how Abel's cast page mentions that members of his clan are few and far between? Well, thinking Naruto-style, what if that is Aniz's fault? He certainly
seems sadistic, arrogant and power-hungry enough to kill off most of his clan. But then why would he bother having a kid?
Also, looking back, this explains why Cid wanted Abel to grow up "normal," as shown partially in Abel #14 and 15. Aniz didn't want to arouse too much suspicion and have anyone figure out his dirty little secret.
I've got more ideas, but I gotta do my honework.
Quote from: Raire on April 30, 2007, 05:40:05 PM
Quote from: llearch n'n'daCorna on April 30, 2007, 05:16:44 PM
Why, does it need more flogging? :-)
... Now, where did I see that emoticon?
The idea of an emoticon is enough, I think.
(http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d156/HuskieBoi666/Files%20of%20random/beating-a-dead-horse.gif) Kenji is gonna hate me for this one :shifty
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Quote from: Raire on April 30, 2007, 05:40:05 PM
Quote from: llearch n'n'daCorna on April 30, 2007, 05:16:44 PM
Why, does it need more flogging? :-)
... Now, where did I see that emoticon?
The idea of an emoticon is enough, I think.
(http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d156/HuskieBoi666/Files%20of%20random/beating-a-dead-horse.gif) Kenji is gonna hate me for this one :shifty
Dont let PETA find out lol
Quote from: Raire on April 30, 2007, 03:54:18 PMBut if it's May, then why have Hennya there?
This is one of the many major flaws with the theory. It would imply that May wasn't planning to have Abel at the fort. Hennya had probably set up the time to cook and discuss the wedding, and May couldn't break it off without arousing suspicion. After all, if your friend has a wedding and you agree to help her out, and then you break your plans off, and *that same night*, mysterious bad stuff happens, people are going to talk. You can probably use mind-reading to convince some of them, but some--especially the other creatures--you probably couldn't.
But it doesn't explain why May got back well before Abel.
Quote from: Zedd on April 30, 2007, 06:57:17 PMhttp://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d156/HuskieBoi666/Files%20of%20random/beating-a-dead-horse.gif
Oh, I get it! It's a picture of beating a dead horse, just like you're repeatedly trying to convince everyone that this thread is beating a dead horse!
this topic may be :simon but it sure is fun to read
Continue on, I say :)
Okay.... so.... what're we talking about?
Nothing, lock this sucker before it eeks away at anyone else's sanity.
Quote from: Manawolf on April 30, 2007, 07:52:36 PM
Nothing, lock this sucker before it eeks away at anyone else's sanity.
U talkin' tah me? :blankstare
Quote from: Psychogirl on April 30, 2007, 07:47:36 PM
Okay.... so.... what're we talking about?
Whether or not May is going to spring up as a demon/cubi herself, thus reaffirming everyone's suspicions. Whether or not Cid was ever a real person or whether he was some adventure that Aniz killed off and pretended to be in order to get some tail and a cooshy position adventuring in order to feed his emotional hunger for pain, agony, MILF, etc etc. Whether or not Hennya will die, whether or not Abel will get covered in Hennya's blood, whether or not Kria will come in time to save Abel from all of this and them dump his lousy ass off at SAIA.
Well, I think May's still a being.
As for Cid, remember when he mentioned upon comming into the scene that he met a friend of his along the way? I'm suspecting that along the way home, Cid was ambushed by Aniz and either killed or kidnapped, so he could take Cid's place for the meantime.
But that's just me. I'm new here, so I don't exactly know.
And as for Hennya, I've got a feeling she's gonna die. And Kria. She'll prolly get there too late.
Ah, there it was.
On page 6 or so, by Fuyudenki.
:deadhorse :-]
Quote from: llearch n'n'daCorna on April 30, 2007, 05:16:44 PM
Why, does it need more flogging? :-)
... Now, where did I see that emoticon?
You mean this one? (http://www.landrymanor.com/ragefactor/deadhorse.gif)
Yeah, I was surprised it wasn't in the list.
A friend sent it to me, so I uploaded it to my site, since I expect to be beating the everlovin' #$@& out of dead horses here.
And I've said it before, but again, Why do you people think that Aniz is going to get beat here? He's been playing a former retired ADVENTURER, don't you think he's learned a thing or two about combat in that time? There's no way a Being, a scatter-brained Mythos, and a mentally-cracked librarian are going to stand a chance against an obviously brutal Incubus, moreso now that May's got a broken nose.
Quote from: Fuyudenki on April 30, 2007, 08:38:34 PM
And I've said it before, but again, Why do you people think that Aniz is going to get beat here? He's been playing a former retired ADVENTURER, don't you think he's learned a thing or two about combat in that time? There's no way a Being, a scatter-brained Mythos, and a mentally-cracked librarian are going to stand a chance against an obviously brutal Incubus, moreso now that May's got a broken nose.
True 'dat. That's why I think someone's gonna die.
Quote from: Psychogirl on April 30, 2007, 08:22:22 PMAnd as for Hennya, I've got a feeling she's gonna die. And Kria. She'll prolly get there too late.
I've been saying for a while that it would be great to kill off Abel in the story. Kria, too.
The entire forum would erupt in anger, saying, ``Wait! There's no continuity here!''
And then Amber would laugh and say something like, ``I never said that the Abel in the main arc was the Abel in this arc--or maybe I did. Anyways, I lied.''
That would be awesome.
Quote from: Fuyudenki on April 30, 2007, 08:38:34 PMThere's no way a Being, a scatter-brained Mythos, and a mentally-cracked librarian are going to stand a chance against an obviously brutal Incubus, moreso now that May's got a broken nose.
I just have to comment on this one.
1.) I've said that there's a slim chance that they could defeat Aniz. Just large enough that Aniz wouldn't be revealing all his secrets. But...
2.) Aniz: OK. I've got a shell-shocked young incubus, a young, socially-confused mythos, and my being wife. I should be able to...OH NO! HER NOSE IS PERFECTLY FINE! RUN AWAY!
Sorry. It was just too good to pass up.
Quote from: Fuyudenki on April 30, 2007, 08:38:34 PM
You mean this one? (http://www.landrymanor.com/ragefactor/deadhorse.gif)
Yeah, I was surprised it wasn't in the list.
It is now. :-]
Bah Hennya can't die, she can still distract him with the morphing amulet. :mwaha
Quote from: superluser on April 30, 2007, 08:46:41 PM
Quote from: Psychogirl on April 30, 2007, 08:22:22 PMAnd as for Hennya, I've got a feeling she's gonna die. And Kria. She'll prolly get there too late.
I've been saying for a while that it would be great to kill off Abel in the story. Kria, too.
The entire forum would erupt in anger, saying, ``Wait! There's no continuity here!''
And then Amber would laugh and say something like, ``I never said that the Abel in the main arc was the Abel in this arc--or maybe I did. Anyways, I lied.''
That would be awesome.
Suspense!
Quote from: superluser on April 30, 2007, 08:46:41 PM
Quote from: Psychogirl on April 30, 2007, 08:22:22 PMAnd as for Hennya, I've got a feeling she's gonna die. And Kria. She'll prolly get there too late.
I've been saying for a while that it would be great to kill off Abel in the story. Kria, too.
The entire forum would erupt in anger, saying, ``Wait! There's no continuity here!''
And then Amber would laugh and say something like, ``I never said that the Abel in the main arc was the Abel in this arc--or maybe I did. Anyways, I lied.''
That would be awesome.
Wait, so Kria's going to get there too late, find Abel dead, and then Aniz is going to rip her head off?
Actually, I think that would cause enough confusion from the readers to resurrect Abel the same way Azlan's pain is suspected to have resurrected Dan in the Dark Pegesus arc.
Quote from: superluser on April 30, 2007, 08:46:41 PM
Quote from: Fuyudenki on April 30, 2007, 08:38:34 PMThere's no way a Being, a scatter-brained Mythos, and a mentally-cracked librarian are going to stand a chance against an obviously brutal Incubus, moreso now that May's got a broken nose.
I just have to comment on this one.
1.) I've said that there's a slim chance that they could defeat Aniz. Just large enough that Aniz wouldn't be revealing all his secrets. But...
2.) Aniz: OK. I've got a shell-shocked young incubus, a young, socially-confused mythos, and my being wife. I should be able to...OH NO! HER NOSE IS PERFECTLY FINE! RUN AWAY!
Sorry. It was just too good to pass up.
HAH! Touche. Watch out for those Beings when their noses aren't broken, they're vicious.
Quote from: llearch n'n'daCorna on April 30, 2007, 08:47:14 PM
Quote from: Fuyudenki on April 30, 2007, 08:38:34 PM
You mean this one? (http://www.landrymanor.com/ragefactor/deadhorse.gif)
Yeah, I was surprised it wasn't in the list.
It is now. :-]
SWEET!
Quote from: Fuyudenki on April 30, 2007, 08:54:26 PM
Quote from: llearch n'n'daCorna on April 30, 2007, 08:47:14 PM
Quote from: Fuyudenki on April 30, 2007, 08:38:34 PM
You mean this one? (http://www.landrymanor.com/ragefactor/deadhorse.gif)
Yeah, I was surprised it wasn't in the list.
It is now. :-]
SWEET!
What's up with that icon, anyways?
Quote from: Xeksue on April 30, 2007, 08:49:43 PM
Bah Hennya can't die, she can still distract him with the morphing amulet. :mwaha
True. Are a Cubi's powers restricted while touching a morphing amulet? =/
Quote from: CubeGuy on April 30, 2007, 08:58:08 PM
True. Are a Cubi's powers restricted while touching a morphing amulet? =/
Err, I kinda meant she would use it. :animesweat
Hmm, if they could find a way to keep it strapped on to him he probably would lose control of his wings/tentacles, still though I doubt he'd let them get close enough to do that.
It'd be impossible to get close enough to get the amulet on without getting punched.
Remember, he probably has fighting experience, while they don't.
Yes! Now the real story comes out!
The goatee, the red eyes...
(http://24.106.113.210/otown/SethAniz.jpg)
Aniz is Jyrras's father Seth!
He seems to have gotten somewhat smaller and rattier with age.
Hahah yes, the goatee, the fact Seth is married to an attorney, it all makes sense now. :mwaha
That would make Abel x Jyrras slashfics have to include incest, COOL.
Quote from: Rafe on April 30, 2007, 09:10:33 PM
Yes! Now the real story comes out!
The goatee, the red eyes...
(http://24.106.113.210/otown/SethAniz.jpg)
Aniz is Jyrras's father Seth!
He seems to have gotten somewhat smaller and rattier with age.
THAT'S why he looked familiar! Do you think Jyrras knows?
Quote from: Psychogirl on April 30, 2007, 08:57:41 PM
Quote from: Fuyudenki on April 30, 2007, 08:54:26 PM
Quote from: llearch n'n'daCorna on April 30, 2007, 08:47:14 PM
Quote from: Fuyudenki on April 30, 2007, 08:38:34 PM
You mean this one? (http://www.landrymanor.com/ragefactor/deadhorse.gif)
Yeah, I was surprised it wasn't in the list.
It is now. :-]
SWEET!
What's up with that icon, anyways?
What, you've never heard of beating the
:deadhorse
dead horse?
TAKE THAT, DEAD HORSE!!!
I've got to wonder when it stops being the pounding of a point into oblivion, and becomes the gratuitous flogging of the squidgy, splurchy corpse of a deceased equine. I think I've breached into the second.
ABEL
I know you love me Jy, but I have to tell you something. Promise you'll be open minded.
JYRRAS
What is it hon?
ABEL
I'm ... I'm your brother.
JYRRAS
NOOOOOO! [vomits]
...Waaauughhh...! WHY can't I ever have a normal relationship! *sob!*
Quote from: Fuyudenki on April 30, 2007, 09:19:15 PM
Quote from: Psychogirl on April 30, 2007, 08:57:41 PM
Quote from: Fuyudenki on April 30, 2007, 08:54:26 PM
Quote from: llearch n'n'daCorna on April 30, 2007, 08:47:14 PM
Quote from: Fuyudenki on April 30, 2007, 08:38:34 PM
You mean this one? (http://www.landrymanor.com/ragefactor/deadhorse.gif)
Yeah, I was surprised it wasn't in the list.
It is now. :-]
SWEET!
What's up with that icon, anyways?
What, you've never heard of beating the
:deadhorse
dead horse?
TAKE THAT, DEAD HORSE!!!
I've got to wonder when it stops being the pounding of a point into oblivion, and becomes the gratuitous flogging of the squidgy, splurchy corpse of a deceased equine. I think I've breached into the second.
I know the whole dead horse thing. I just don' get why it's popular right now.
Oh well, it must be an almighty order of the crazies. In which case...
:deadhorse
Quote from: Netami on April 30, 2007, 09:16:15 PMThat would make Abel x Jyrras slashfics have to include incest, COOL.
I think Amber has to do that now. Remember, it means more, crappier slashfics to laugh at.
Quote from: Rafe on April 30, 2007, 09:24:27 PMABEL
I know you love me Jy, but I have to tell you something. Promise you'll be open minded.
That's not how it goes.
ABEL
Give yourself to the dark side. It is the only way you can save your friends. Yes, your thoughts betray you. Your feelings for them are strong. Especially for...father?
(It calls to mind the ``Vader's your mother'' story I found on USENET.)
You see, You see! This is what happens when you don't lock the thread!
Sexual insecurities abound! Locks are the only way to salvation!
I don't think it's possible for may to be a demon, or dragon
Cubi shapshifting is a natural power so it doesn't seem detectable. But dragons and demons seem to need an outside and outside magical source to shapshift.
Thats why it's detectable
thats why Able knew Pyro was a dragon, thats why Merlits's party spotted dan but not Abel and As powerful as Aniz seems I doubt he'd be fooled by a magical transformation
Also I'm not sure Why Mana is so bound and determined to get this thread locked I mean there is nothing bad going on here
Pyro has dragon qualities, it'd be impossible NOT to know.
Quote from: Aridas Soulfire on May 01, 2007, 03:09:10 AM
Pyro has dragon qualities, it'd be impossible NOT to know.
Pardon? What exactly do you mean by that? The only people who picked up on him being a dragon were the trained cubi the fact that he's got bat wings in in and of itself not a dragon specific quality. they could have just as easily been demon
Oh, I dunno, maybe it's that bigass dragon tail of his... :rolleyes
Quote from: Manawolf on April 30, 2007, 11:25:37 PM
You see, You see! This is what happens when you don't lock the thread!
You know, you don't have to read them...
Quote from: Rafe on April 30, 2007, 09:24:27 PM
ABEL: I'm ... I'm your brother.
Brilliant. Unfortunately it completely blew away what I was actually intending to post in the first place...
**EDIT**
Given that Abel's wings are wrong, I'm wondering if Aniz is getting mad at May because she
did cheat on him... with another incubus.
This is pretty improbable, but it would explain the wings.
Quote from: Aridas Soulfire on May 01, 2007, 03:31:23 AM
Oh, I dunno, maybe it's that bigass dragon tail of his... :rolleyes
So you knew he was a dragon this whole time?
Facsinating.
Makes me wonder why he's even bothering to keep it a secret.
Quote from: Tapewolf on May 01, 2007, 04:20:24 AM
**EDIT**
Given that Abel's wings are wrong, I'm wondering if Aniz is getting mad at May because she did cheat on him... with another incubus.
This is pretty improbable, but it would explain the wings.
You know what TW it kinds of reminds this line
May: Aniz you stupid ******* I did cheated on you you were firing blanks and I wanted to be pregnant.
Aniz: :erk
May: :mwaha
ok that ******* derserve that so there :P.
((edit: Breaking the rating, there, ShiningShadow. Do moderate your language, there's a good chap. -- llearch ))
i think that's the last thing anyone would say while bleeding profusely at the nose.
Quote from: Aridas Soulfire on May 01, 2007, 07:25:12 AM
i think that's the last thing anyone would say while bleeding profusely at the nose.
I dont think someone would really SAY anything while bleeding profusely from the nose.
If anything, may do two things:
1.Be in total shock still at the fact her husband just probably broke her nose and back away quickly from him seeing he is a CUBI.
2.Get extremely pissed and probably hit him with a large blunt object in the back of the skull for pulling a stunt like that on her.
I vote for option 2 seeing as how she seems to be THAT type of person.
she's busy being half slumped over on the ground holding her nose and babbling. She's incapable of either.
Quote from: Aridas Soulfire on May 01, 2007, 09:06:43 AM
she's busy being half slumped over on the ground holding her nose and babbling. She's incapable of either.
yeah but she appears more babbling because of the shock and not just the pain. Still your probably right about it. But, with all that has happened so far, I'm not taking ANYTHING for granted just yet :mwaha
Quote from: multani82 on May 01, 2007, 09:09:57 AM
Quote from: Aridas Soulfire on May 01, 2007, 09:06:43 AM
she's busy being half slumped over on the ground holding her nose and babbling. She's incapable of either.
yeah but she appears more babbling because of the shock and not just the pain. Still your probably right about it. But, with all that has happened so far, I'm not taking ANYTHING for granted just yet :mwaha
You never know Aniz get hit with a blunt object it will not come from May maybe Abel or Henna or maybe that Kria *
Any Second* bust down the door and hits on the head with a chicken >:3.
Predicting...please hold.
May: Mental breakdown, murdered.
Hennya: Dies protecting Abel from Cubidad.
Abel: Cubidad keeps him alive, his intent having always been to raise Abel on his own when he achieved "Cuberty." Manifests full cubi powers during "Fight or Flight" mode. Kills cubidad, who makes witty remark. Abel flees after coming to his senses, smacks into Kria. Directs him to Falina. Attends Cubi U, events proceed as detailed in the main DMFA arc.
There's also a 0.872% that they'll all suddenly break into song and dance instead.
Quote from: ChaoSynergy on May 01, 2007, 04:07:20 PMAbel: Cubidad keeps him alive, his intent having always been to raise Abel on his own when he achieved "Cuberty."
Why would he wait?
I think that May might be the surprise hero here. She hasn't hit cold fury yet, which overrides a lot of pain and suffering. It's also the scariest of "mad" types. Honestly, seeing what she can do red hot mad, I'm looking forward to her going ice cold mad.
Quote from: superluser on May 01, 2007, 04:15:01 PM
Quote from: ChaoSynergy on May 01, 2007, 04:07:20 PMAbel: Cubidad keeps him alive, his intent having always been to raise Abel on his own when he achieved "Cuberty."
Why would he wait?
See "Cuberty" - in other words, Cubi Puberty. The time when they gain their headwings and are considered a full Incubus or Succubus.
Quote from: ChaoSynergy on May 01, 2007, 04:07:20 PM
There's also a 0.872% that they'll all suddenly break into song and dance instead.
I think more of a 0.0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000872% chance now.
But it would be very... interesting if Amber were to do that just to laugh at us.
Quote from: Zina on May 01, 2007, 05:20:27 AM
Quote from: Aridas Soulfire on May 01, 2007, 03:31:23 AM
Oh, I dunno, maybe it's that bigass dragon tail of his... :rolleyes
So you knew he was a dragon this whole time?
Facsinating.
Makes me wonder why he's even bothering to keep it a secret.
He doesn't. It's no secret at all. Everyone knows he is a dragon.
And we knew, too, back from when he was on Furcadia with those frilly little wings of his. Tee-hee, plot secrets~
Quote from: techmaster-glitch on May 01, 2007, 08:52:17 PM
Quote from: Zina on May 01, 2007, 05:20:27 AM
Quote from: Aridas Soulfire on May 01, 2007, 03:31:23 AM
Oh, I dunno, maybe it's that bigass dragon tail of his... :rolleyes
So you knew he was a dragon this whole time?
Facsinating.
Makes me wonder why he's even bothering to keep it a secret.
He doesn't. It's no secret at all. Everyone knows he is a dragon.
Really? Where do they say that? I must have missed it.
Quote from: ChaoSynergy on May 01, 2007, 06:01:44 PMQuote from: superluser on May 01, 2007, 04:15:01 PMWhy would he wait?
See "Cuberty" - in other words, Cubi Puberty. The time when they gain their headwings and are considered a full Incubus or Succubus.
I appear to have invented that word, than you very much(*).
My point is that I don't see why he would wait for cuberty. Why wouldn't Aniz just take Abel away from May as soon as he was born? I don't see the point in waiting.
(*) I'm the first one to use it on the Clockwork Mansion forum, and it doesn't appear in the Nice archives.
I also was using ``and a pony'' before it became a meme in 2004, but I can't prove it because I made the comment on a super-secret mailing list dedicated to taking down Thurn und Taxis.
Quote from: techmaster-glitch on May 01, 2007, 08:52:17 PM
He doesn't. It's no secret at all. Everyone knows he is a dragon.
Quote from: Zina on May 01, 2007, 10:41:49 PM
Really? Where do they say that? I must have missed it.
Quote from: Aridas Soulfire on May 01, 2007, 03:31:23 AM
Oh, I dunno, maybe it's that bigass dragon tail of his... :rolleyes
Right there. And that
is a really freaking hard thing to miss. Pyroduck is a Dragon, and everyone knoes it, but doesn't say anything about it, cuz that's how obvious and inconsequential it is (until you bring in Biggs and Destania)
Quote from: Tapewolf on May 01, 2007, 04:20:24 AM
Given that Abel's wings are wrong, I'm wondering if Aniz is getting mad at May because she did cheat on him... with another incubus.
This is pretty improbable, but it would explain the wings.
Great, so then we introduce ANOTHER incubus...
Quote from: techmaster-glitch on May 02, 2007, 12:37:08 AMRight there. And that is a really freaking hard thing to miss. Pyroduck is a Dragon, and everyone knoes it, but doesn't say anything about it, cuz that's how obvious and inconsequential it is (until you bring in Biggs and Destania)
I think you'd figure it out if you sat down and thought about it, but I really don't think that most of the Lost Lake denizens have done that. I'll bet that Alexsi has (I don't remember--she might have even said so), and Mab seems to know, as well.
Most people probably don't run across dragons too often, so they probably haven't seen dragon tails and wouldn't be able to compare. Abel surely has seen them, or at least read up on it in his studies. Why Dan didn't recognize it is beyond me, though. Surely, Destania would have mentioned dragons as something to stay away from, and Dan surely could know, being a retired adventurer with experience in dragons. So either Dan's unobservant or he knows.
Quote from: techmaster-glitch on May 02, 2007, 12:37:08 AM
Quote from: techmaster-glitch on May 01, 2007, 08:52:17 PM
He doesn't. It's no secret at all. Everyone knows he is a dragon.
Quote from: Zina on May 01, 2007, 10:41:49 PM
Really? Where do they say that? I must have missed it.
Quote from: Aridas Soulfire on May 01, 2007, 03:31:23 AM
Oh, I dunno, maybe it's that bigass dragon tail of his... :rolleyes
Right there. And that is a really freaking hard thing to miss. Pyroduck is a Dragon, and everyone knoes it, but doesn't say anything about it, cuz that's how obvious and inconsequential it is (until you bring in Biggs and Destania)
Uh. Give me proof IN THE COMIC where someone mentions that Pyroduck is a dragon, aside from Abel or Fa'lina.
Considering people on the forum were claiming he was an otter or a dog or some kind of hybrid animal a while back, I don't think it's that "obvious". And would Dan really brush Pyroduck off as not being very useful if he knew Pyroduck was a dragon? Something big and strong seems far from useless, unless Dan has insanely high standerds.
So unless Amber told you herself, you don't know for sure that everyone knows Pyroduck is a dragon.
Quote from: Zina on May 02, 2007, 01:09:27 AM
Uh. Give me proof IN THE COMIC where someone mentions that Pyroduck is a dragon, aside from Abel or Fa'lina.
Considering people on the forum were claiming he was an otter or a dog or some kind of hybrid animal a while back, I don't think it's that "obvious". And would Dan really brush Pyroduck off as not being very useful if he knew Pyroduck was a dragon? Something big and strong seems far from useless, unless Dan has insanely high standerds.
So unless Amber told you herself, you don't know for sure that everyone knows Pyroduck is a dragon.
First off, Dan doesn't like Dragons. That would be reason enoguh to brush him off on anything. He almost certainly WOULDN'T want that kind of stuck-up 'help' he sees Dragons give, and he is probably right. And Dan iis a retired adventurer, I'm sure he has seen at least one other dragon in furre form. And it seems like everyone else is educated enough to recognize one when they see one, especially if Dragons don't try to be reclusive, which they don't.
If Dan doesn't like dragons, why did he (i'm assuming here) borrow money from one and seem to know him on a friendly basis?
Quote from: techmaster-glitch on May 02, 2007, 01:13:09 AM
Quote from: Zina on May 02, 2007, 01:09:27 AM
Uh. Give me proof IN THE COMIC where someone mentions that Pyroduck is a dragon, aside from Abel or Fa'lina.
Considering people on the forum were claiming he was an otter or a dog or some kind of hybrid animal a while back, I don't think it's that "obvious". And would Dan really brush Pyroduck off as not being very useful if he knew Pyroduck was a dragon? Something big and strong seems far from useless, unless Dan has insanely high standerds.
So unless Amber told you herself, you don't know for sure that everyone knows Pyroduck is a dragon.
First off, Dan doesn't like Dragons. That would be reason enoguh to brush him off on anything. He almost certainly WOULDN'T want that kind of stuck-up 'help' he sees Dragons give, and he is probably right. And Dan iis a retired adventurer, I'm sure he has seen at least one other dragon in furre form. And it seems like everyone else is educated enough to recognize one when they see one, especially if Dragons don't try to be reclusive, which they don't.
If he doesn't like dragons, wouldn't he have mentioned at one point that the reason he doesn't like Pyroduck is because he's a dragon? You'd think if he felt so strongly about it, it would have come up eventually. Especially now that the dragon he dislikes so much is dating his sister. Or living in his home. Or hanging out with his friends.
And...where are you getting any of this? Seriously, sauce plz. Otherwise it just looks like you're making stuff up as you go along.
>> cant read through 15 pages of post....wayyy to late..... ><
Story took a good and exciting turn. Will now start stalking forum because of it.
Quote from: Aridas Soulfire on May 02, 2007, 01:16:12 AMIf Dan doesn't like dragons, why did he (i'm assuming here) borrow money from one and seem to know him on a friendly basis?
Well, Mab suggested that Dragons don't like Dan (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_175.php). It's not canon, but the off-hand nature of the comment makes it seem authentic.
Quote from: Zina on May 02, 2007, 01:27:20 AMIf he doesn't like dragons, wouldn't he have mentioned at one point that the reason he doesn't like Pyroduck is because he's a dragon? You'd think if he felt so strongly about it, it would have come up eventually.
I'm trying to think of a case where Dan says that he doesn't like Pyro. I just thought that he was angry at him for taking his room.
Also, did I hear someone saying that dragons weren't reclusive? Because reclusiveness is one of their defining features in most mythologies. They're supposed to be guarding the graves of rich men, and they hide away until someone pesters them, and then they lay waste to the countryside. I even remember a bit where someone said of the dragons something like, ``they will not come to our aid--they spend too much time guarding their gold.'' And I'm pretty sure I'm not thinking of the bit about the dwarves from the Lord of the Rings.
Um excuse me, but the draconomicon specifically says that dragons live in their own lairs and collect their own treasures, so they aren't guarding dead rich men!!! Pyro was obviously making his treasure trove in lost lake so that's why he was there, and everyone knew cause dragons are the coolest ppl evr.
:smrt
Seriously, are you even trying anymore?
I, for one, did not realize Pyroduck was a dragon until the strip after he sat on Abel, but I'm slow sometimes. I think the subsequent flashback indicates that Aaryanna never realized he was a dragon for long enough to do anything about it("Hey, I hear the Cubi race is really great!"). On the other hand, that's Aary. My personal vote is that not everyone has a clue exactly what Pyroduck is, but a few characters probably do. Especially Abel and Fa'Lina.(obviously.)
God you're mean.
In your defense, perhaps a little bit, that post would have been more fitting to your empty post in the thread for DMFA #782, but still, that's almost as bad as ShiningShadow's posts.
Almost.
It's not empty, it's an affirmation of his sentiment. A "quoted for truth", if you will. I speak what he spoke, because it is what I would have spoken were it me.
MAH BOI!!!!!!
Quote from: Jigsaw Forte on May 02, 2007, 12:41:55 AM
Quote from: Tapewolf on May 01, 2007, 04:20:24 AM
Given that Abel's wings are wrong, I'm wondering if Aniz is getting mad at May because she did cheat on him... with another incubus.
This is pretty improbable, but it would explain the wings.
Great, so then we introduce ANOTHER incubus...
Actually, that's what I dislike about the theory myself, but unless Aniz turns out to have feathery headwings (which don't match Abel) and bat backwings, or we grasp for straws and say the batwings skipped a generation, there has to be another 'cubi involved somewhere, surely. Otherwise it's gonna be May (who Kria said has the gift to learn magic and who had the idea of moving to a demon city in the first place)...
Quote from: Fuyudenki on May 02, 2007, 03:15:27 AM
Seriously, are you even trying anymore?
I, for one, did not realize Pyroduck was a dragon until the strip after he sat on Abel, but I'm slow sometimes.
Ditto.. I didnt realize he was a dragon till then either..
Quote from: Fuyudenki on May 02, 2007, 03:15:27 AM
I think the subsequent flashback indicates that Aaryanna never realized he was a dragon for long enough to do anything about it("Hey, I hear the Cubi race is really great!"). On the other hand, that's Aary. My personal vote is that not everyone has a clue exactly what Pyroduck is, but a few characters probably do. Especially Abel and Fa'Lina.(obviously.)
In that flashback I think she had an idea he was a dragon, but got distracted talking about Cubi and forgot.. least that is what I assume..
Quote from: Aurawyn on May 02, 2007, 09:57:33 AM
In that flashback I think she had an idea he was a dragon, but got distracted talking about Cubi and forgot.. least that is what I assume..
'Cubi usually have short attention spans and are easily diverted, so that is a very reasonable assumption.
Quote from: Aurawyn on May 02, 2007, 09:57:33 AM
Quote from: Fuyudenki on May 02, 2007, 03:15:27 AM
I think the subsequent flashback indicates that Aaryanna never realized he was a dragon for long enough to do anything about it("Hey, I hear the Cubi race is really great!"). On the other hand, that's Aary. My personal vote is that not everyone has a clue exactly what Pyroduck is, but a few characters probably do. Especially Abel and Fa'Lina.(obviously.)
In that flashback I think she had an idea he was a dragon, but got distracted talking about Cubi and forgot.. least that is what I assume..
Yes, that's what I said, though not as clearly as you did. note, "long enough" implies that she probably noticed at least once, but as you're saying, Pyroduck is a master of distraction. :deadhorse
Quote from: Netami on May 02, 2007, 03:24:07 AM
It's not empty, it's an affirmation of his sentiment. A "quoted for truth", if you will. I speak what he spoke, because it is what I would have spoken were it me.
MAH BOI!!!!!!
ah. See. where I come from, that's called "Spam." Also, "Padding of one's post count."
Quote from: Fuyudenki on May 02, 2007, 12:42:04 PM
ah. See. where I come from, that's called "Spam." Also, "Padding of one's post count."
Sure am glad this isn't where you're from! Go back to your foreign food, customs, and smells.
Quote from: Fuyudenki on May 02, 2007, 12:42:04 PM
ah. See. where I come from, that's called "Spam." Also, "Padding of one's post count."
Oddly enough, it's called that here, too. Netami just feels that rules do not apply to him. *shrug*
Quote from: techmaster-glitch on May 01, 2007, 08:52:17 PM
Quote from: Zina on May 01, 2007, 05:20:27 AM
Quote from: Aridas Soulfire on May 01, 2007, 03:31:23 AM
Oh, I dunno, maybe it's that bigass dragon tail of his... :rolleyes
So you knew he was a dragon this whole time?
Facsinating.
Makes me wonder why he's even bothering to keep it a secret.
He doesn't. It's no secret at all. Everyone knows he is a dragon.
Everyone here being the Forumites or the characters?
Quote from: Netami on May 02, 2007, 03:37:05 PM
Quote from: Fuyudenki on May 02, 2007, 12:42:04 PM
ah. See. where I come from, that's called "Spam." Also, "Padding of one's post count."
Sure am glad this isn't where you're from! Go back to your foreign food, customs, and smells.
ok you didn't have to bring up the racial card you sack of Lard. Go back to lurking and only post with something intelligent, not this drivel. You call it wisdom, I call it being a ignorant tard.
Quote from: Black_angel on May 02, 2007, 05:15:39 PM
Everyone here being the Forumites or the characters?
Both, or at least, I THINK it should be both. Forumites definatly, its the characters knowing that we are debateing. However, there is only one way to solve this....
HEY, AMBER!! Does everyone at Lost Lake know that Ducky is a dragon?
In the (very likely) case that Amber remains silent, I will carry on my side of the debate. Like it has already been pointed out, Dragons apparently keep their tailes when the shift into a furre form, and Dragons are the only race in all of Furrae with tails like that. Maybe during the time of Abel's Story, a Dragon if furre form would have always been mistaken as a Demon except by someone who is particularly knowledgeable about Dragons, but the current time I -think- is a bit more enlightened. Especially since, yes superluser, I said it, dragons arn't that reclusive. Here ya go:
http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_141.php
http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_174.php
http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_285.php
http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_286.php
http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_598.php
Like Mab said, the Fae are reclusive. Hell, the Angels are probably reclusive, cuz they like to work behind the scenes. Not the Dragons, though. Your race can't be religious icons if you are too reclusive.
And I mean, come on. If you see a Dragon that just sat on some poor sap's car, and you get a good look at the tail, and then you see another furre with a nearly identical tail, and you heard somewhere that Dragons can shapeshift to a furre form (come on, THAT at least HAS to be common knowledge) anyone with half a brain should be able to put two and two together.
And if you want to say "non-canon" to the funfacts part, then I would think that there would be lots of photos or paintings of Dragons (they are religious icons, after all) to see a dragon's tail.
Also, Arryanna was GOING to catch on to Pyroduck being a Dragon, but she is an easily distracted egotistcal ditz (as Pyro proved).
Quote from: Aridas Soulfire on May 02, 2007, 01:16:12 AM
If Dan doesn't like dragons, why did he (i'm assuming here) borrow money from one and seem to know him on a friendly basis?
That. First off Dan WASN'T on an entirely "friendly" basis with him, that was the point. And in referance to Dan's rant, I SERIOUSLY doubt that he "borrowed" money from that Dragon. More likely he lost it in a card game.
On the topic of Dan having a problem with a Dragon dating Alexei, I don't think Alexei or Pyro have told ANYONE about that yet.
.....Have I forgottten something? *thinks* Probably, but I can't remember.
You forgot to prove that everyone knows Pyroduck is a dragon.
Considering Dan has been running around the better part of the comic with wings and no one seemed to even question it(himself included), I doubt there being Beings with abnormalities is all that uncommon.
That being said, even if Dan dislikes dragons a great deal, he would still acknowledge that Pyroduck, being a dragon, would be useful. But instead, he simply says Pyroduck wouldn't know what to do in a real situation. Seems to me that Dan isn't aware that Pyroduck can turn into a big, strong dragon with all the powers that come along with it.
The whole "Everyone knows but doesn't feel the need to say anything" thing doesn't hold much water. In THAT case, everyone knows Alexsi and Pyroduck are dating, but don't feel the need to acknowledge it. Everyone knew Dan was a 'cubi the whole time, they just didn't feel it was important to point out. Heck, Amber said at one point there's a Were amongst the cast. I'm sure everyone at Lost Lake knows who it is, they just don't feel the need to point it out.
Secrets are for suckers.
Quote from: Zina on May 02, 2007, 07:46:08 PM
You forgot to prove that everyone knows Pyroduck is a dragon.
Quote from: techmaster-glitch on May 02, 2007, 07:26:54 PM
HEY, AMBER!! Does everyone at Lost Lake know that Ducky is a dragon?
Which is why I said that. I do hope she posts, but she might not.
Also, it'd totally rock if you could point out where it says dragons have furre forms that they can shift into. I can't find where it says this, and I'm guessing that Pyroduck is probably a special case.
Thanks! :V
Quote from: techmaster-glitch on May 02, 2007, 07:48:44 PM
Quote from: Zina on May 02, 2007, 07:46:08 PM
You forgot to prove that everyone knows Pyroduck is a dragon.
Quote from: techmaster-glitch on May 02, 2007, 07:26:54 PM
HEY, AMBER!! Does everyone at Lost Lake know that Ducky is a dragon?
Which is why I said that. I do hope she posts, but she might not.
In other words "You don't know".
Ok, cool. That's all I wanted to hear. :3
Quote from: multani82 on May 02, 2007, 07:01:41 PM
Quote from: Netami on May 02, 2007, 03:37:05 PM
Quote from: Fuyudenki on May 02, 2007, 12:42:04 PM
ah. See. where I come from, that's called "Spam." Also, "Padding of one's post count."
Sure am glad this isn't where you're from! Go back to your foreign food, customs, and smells.
ok you didn't have to bring up the racial card you sack of Lard. Go back to lurking and only post with something intelligent, not this drivel. You call it wisdom, I call it being a ignorant tard.
Hahaha. Wit.
Shut up. Both of you. Plz.
There's a were among the cast!!?
I'm guessing Wildy. It would explain the human fasination. But it has to be someone we think is a being. We know what half the cast is already, so that leaves:
-Merlitz (doubt it because Amber said she is trying not to use him so much because he is based on someone. But maybe, he does know magic)
-Jyrras (doubt it, doesn't seem like it would fit him, but who knows)
-Alexsi (well her mother is an Amazon and a lot of weres live in tribes)
Everyone else is a creature.
Anyway, this would make sense if Biggs were on the creature console, as speculated before.
Quote from: Kattuccino on May 02, 2007, 08:22:41 PM
There's a were among the cast!!?
I'm guessing Wildy. It would explain the human fasination. But it has to be someone we think is a being. We know what half the cast is already, so that leaves:
-Merlitz (doubt it because Amber said she is trying not to use him so much because he is based on someone. But maybe, he does know magic)
-Jyrras (doubt it, doesn't seem like it would fit him, but who knows)
-Alexsi (well her mother is an Amazon and a lot of weres live in tribes)
Everyone else is a creature.
Anyway, this would make sense if Biggs were on the creature console, as speculated before.
Well, I do remember Amber saying back on the old forum that there's been a Were in the comic so far. She just didn't say who. XD
Personally, I think everyone is secretly mummies. :B
Or ducks!!
Or better yet, PENGUINS!!!!
I don't know, it could be Alexsi. Apparently (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_196.php) its inferred that shes not into going out as much as Wildy is in the evening, mabye fear of moonlight? :)
I mean really how many people you know that can wield a hammer that huge? That powers gotta come from somewhere. :mwaha
The only dragons Dan has seemed to have any real trouble with comic-wise are the drakes, which are not quite dragons. not dragon-dragons, anyway. But as it was illustrated in the comic, those are where his hatred lies.
Quote from: Xeksue on May 02, 2007, 08:42:33 PM
I don't know, it could be Alexsi. Apparently (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_196.php) its inferred that shes not into going out as much as Wildy is in the evening, mabye fear of moonlight? :)
DMFA WERES ARE NOT WEREWOLVES.
Quote from: techmaster-glitch on May 02, 2007, 07:26:54 PM
HEY, AMBER!! Does everyone at Lost Lake know that Ducky is a dragon?
Nope. Not at all. I think at this time only Abel, Fa'Lina, and Pyroduck know.
Quote from: Xeksue on May 02, 2007, 08:42:33 PM
I don't know, it could be Alexsi. Apparently (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_196.php) its inferred that shes not into going out as much as Wildy is in the evening, mabye fear of moonlight? :)
"A Were is able to shift between each form at their leisure though many
rumors fly around about full moons"
:mowhappy
Quote from: multani82 on May 02, 2007, 07:01:41 PMok you didn't have to bring up the racial card you sack of Lard. Go back to lurking and only post with something intelligent, not this drivel. You call it wisdom, I call it being a ignorant tard.
Just for the record, You Have Been Trolled. You Have Lost.
Please don't lose again. Bill hates it when people lose the trolling game.
Quote from: Amber Williams on May 02, 2007, 09:22:33 PMNope. Not at all. I think at this time only Abel, Fa'Lina, and Pyroduck know.
:goamber
I'll admit that I'm rather surprised that Alexsi hasn't figured it out.
Quote from: Aridas Soulfire on May 02, 2007, 08:55:31 PMDMFA WERES ARE NOT WEREWOLVES.
Yea I knew that. I was testing you guys. Honest.
...k I didn't really know until a few minutes ago because I didn't bother reading ALL of demo101, mostly just the parts that interested me so its an honest mistake. :shifty
Quote from: Zina on May 02, 2007, 08:35:39 PM
Well, I do remember Amber saying back on the old forum that there's been a Were in the comic so far. She just didn't say who. XD
Personally, I think everyone is secretly mummies. :B
Bah. Words like "Were" are the bane of search-fu... :mowninja
Of course, there
has been a Were in the comic, just not as a regular cast member. She's hanging out with the Creature Council in 365 (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_365.php) and 366 (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_366.php). Unless you still want to believe that that's Biggs instead of Hahwru or somesuch... (It's likely a Were regardless simply by process of elimination--the other races on the council are accounted for.)
Quote from: multani82 on May 02, 2007, 07:01:41 PM
[ok you didn't have to bring up the racial card you sack of Lard. Go back to lurking and only post with something intelligent, not this drivel. You call it wisdom, I call it being a ignorant tard.
God you're mean.
Quote from: Tezkat on May 02, 2007, 09:37:08 PM
Quote from: Zina on May 02, 2007, 08:35:39 PM
Well, I do remember Amber saying back on the old forum that there's been a Were in the comic so far. She just didn't say who. XD
Personally, I think everyone is secretly mummies. :B
Bah. Words like "Were" are the bane of search-fu... :mowninja
Of course, there has been a Were in the comic, just not as a regular cast member. She's hanging out with the Creature Council in 365 (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_365.php) and 366 (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_366.php). Unless you still want to believe that that's Biggs instead of Hahwru or somesuch... (It's likely a Were regardless simply by process of elimination--the other races on the council are accounted for.)
But I thought that the character was a closet-were. Wouldn't that mean we've only seen them in being form?
Yeah it would, depending on how vague Amber was when said statement was made, she may have just meant the silohette in the council strip from 365, etc. I still say its Alexsi. >:3
It's time for some random prediction. I predict that Dan is actually Abel's Grandfather due to some very messed up time travel and that due to the same thing Abel eventually goes insane and is actually Aniz so Abel is his own father.
Quote from: Amber Williams on May 02, 2007, 09:22:33 PM
Quote from: techmaster-glitch on May 02, 2007, 07:26:54 PM
HEY, AMBER!! Does everyone at Lost Lake know that Ducky is a dragon?
Nope. Not at all. I think at this time only Abel, Fa'Lina, and Pyroduck know.
FOR THE WIN!
Quote from: Tezkat on May 02, 2007, 09:37:08 PM
Quote from: Zina on May 02, 2007, 08:35:39 PM
Well, I do remember Amber saying back on the old forum that there's been a Were in the comic so far. She just didn't say who. XD
Personally, I think everyone is secretly mummies. :B
Bah. Words like "Were" are the bane of search-fu... :mowninja
Of course, there has been a Were in the comic, just not as a regular cast member. She's hanging out with the Creature Council in 365 (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_365.php) and 366 (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_366.php). Unless you still want to believe that that's Biggs instead of Hahwru or somesuch... (It's likely a Were regardless simply by process of elimination--the other races on the council are accounted for.)
I was going to mention in Demo 101 where it says there isn't a Were on the Creature/Being council, but I think we're assuming the C/B and Creature Council are different entities entirely, and you're right, the creature in the 3rd panel of 366 doesn't look like any furry creature I can imagine, and DOES look very human. Unless "humans" are counted among the mythical and magical creatures, I must admit, it's safe to assume he's a were-something.
Also, 'Lexsi's aversion to clubs seems perfectly natural to me. She's the most motherly member of the entire cast, with the possible exceptions of Destania Ti'Fiona and May Rewanz... wait, that doesn't mean anything, does it?
If there's a were in the cast, I honestly feel a bit of (unjustified) jealousy. For that character.
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[ok you didn't have to bring up the racial card you sack of Lard. Go back to lurking and only post with something intelligent, not this drivel. You call it wisdom, I call it being a ignorant tard.
God you're mean.
You are just encouraging
me us!
Quote from: Amber Williams on May 02, 2007, 09:22:33 PM
Nope. Not at all. I think at this time only Abel, Fa'Lina, and Pyroduck know.
:mowdizzy Wonderful. Yet, somehow, I have always know Pyro was a Dragon from when I first started reading the comic from the beginning about two-three months ago, so I assumed the cast knew too. But how DID I know? Hang on, my long-term memory sucks, gimme a moment.... :confused
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Oh for christ's sake, NOW I remember. My dumb*ss of a friend spoiled it to me when he first introduced me to the comic. I must remember to punch his face off for that the next time I see him. :bat
(http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d12/GabrielsThoughts/sparta.jpg)
This has been a trolling announcement, once again reminding you that Pyroduck is not the subject here.
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This has been a trolling announcement, once again reminding you that Pyroduck is not the subject here.
HAH! +1 funny! Can we have that one put into the Smileys? Please, Llearch, PLEASE!?
GabrielsThoughts- please let the admins do the admining. The Pyroduck thoughts are a natural progression in the thread, aren't actually insulting anyone, and aren't about another forum (among other criteria), therefore, are actually a valid topic of conversation. If you would like the thread to continue to your specification, I suggest changing the subject with something interesting enough to make others comment on it.
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Well, I do remember Amber saying back on the old forum that there's been a Were in the comic so far. She just didn't say who. XD
Personally, I think everyone is secretly mummies. :B
Bah. Words like "Were" are the bane of search-fu... :mowninja
I see what you mean :-/ I did have a try, but didn't actually find the post meant. Perhaps I need some better search words... Of course, it's not helped by some of the threads being 2.5Mb or more of html... :-/ Browser dies whilst trying to open them...
This page (http://nice.llearch.net/dmfa_forum2182.htm#ref73) has a comment from Amber at the bottom about it, although she doesn't specify.
Ooo. This (http://nice.llearch.net/dmfa_forum1871.htm#ref326) mentions the clan wars, and also cubification of Beings...
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Ooo. This (http://nice.llearch.net/dmfa_forum1871.htm#ref326) mentions the clan wars, and also cubification of Beings...
Yup - that one is a treasure-trove. I'll have to write a full article on Cubification for the Wiki at some point, since it's currently filed under 'trivia'. I'll have to see if I can find the Were thing as I may have saved the original posting at home.
Llearch, if you are in a position to grep the HTML, have you tried searching for "a were" or "weres"?
That thread is hilarious because it mentions how hard it would be to find people that want to be turned into cubi.
What?
Does Furrae not have a healthy population of people who want to be highly sexual beings of almost infinite power that do not require food, water, or sleep? Guess not! If this forum's population is any indication...
I think since the demonology article apparently doesn't say a thing about it, the thing about being highly sexual and this and that and the other thing should just be put to rest...
Quote from: Aridas Soulfire on May 03, 2007, 06:35:44 AMI think since the demonology article apparently doesn't say a thing about it, the thing about being highly sexual and this and that and the other thing should just be put to rest...
I thought it was a rumor. True (which it isn't) or not, it would certainly encourage people to try it.
Quote from: Tapewolf on May 03, 2007, 04:57:12 AM
Llearch, if you are in a position to grep the HTML, have you tried searching for "a were" or "weres"?
Erm. It crashed my browser, taking memory usage on my desktop to ~2Gb. It's only got 750Mb RAM, and 1350Mb swap. So it got a little bit sluggish. That's what you get for opening 2.5Mb of html in a browser, I guess.
"weres" returns 25 results, "a were" returns 85. Case insensitively, of course.
Hmm. I'll take the interesting links to the Info Kiosk, methinks. In the mean time: none of the "weres" posts had the content you were after in them. As for the "a were" posts...
Hmm. This post (http://nice.llearch.net/dmfa_forum0029.htm#ref46) from Amber deserves to be remembered... :-] and Elevenbane's cubi Amber (http://nice.llearch.netdmfa_forum#ref123) should be remembered, too. Taski fires at Ink (http://nice.llearch.net/dmfa_forum1871.htm#ref1032) is another one, although it might be better to avoid that, because the html is ~2.5Mb in size. (http://www.furfire.org/gallery/albums/TaskiRampage/InkyGriffon.gif) is the relevant image...
And, of course, there's Box_Sexx0rz.gif, which Amber has taken down... :-[
Aah, memory lane...
Ooo. And the prank (2316)... And... Ok, let's leave it there.
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Quote from: Aridas Soulfire on May 03, 2007, 06:35:44 AMI think since the demonology article apparently doesn't say a thing about it, the thing about being highly sexual and this and that and the other thing should just be put to rest...
I thought it was a rumor. True (which it isn't) or not, it would certainly encourage people to try it.
What? Are you guys honestly going to tell me that a race that can enter people's dreams and twist them any which way, can feed off of "emotions" and can shapeshift into anything isn't highly sexual? We see tentacles at almost every mention of their abilities and even the mini-strip involved a nude beach. Stop for a moment and look at what you're trying to disregard as highly sexual: Succubi and Incubi, which are sexual creatures in any other fantasy world including the real one! Granted this is a different interpretation (headwings are from capcom though, check out THEIR version of a succubus sometime), the chip couldn't have fallen far from the rock.
Approach any person in a mall or a street. If they don't immediately run away because you're a creepy weirdo, ask them if they'd like power to the tune of increased strength, infinite youth, the ability to shapeshift, magical powers, no need for physical sustenance... Honestly, how many people do you think would turn those things down, assuming they didn't think it was some faustian BS?
Of course, because you can be bitten and turned into one, much like the manner of a vampire.