So... did anyone else follow Sandro's LW spam over to his new toy (http://galava.net/home)? Kasarn and I are already there. (I'm in his forests, stealin his woods! :mowninja) We've got some of the largest empires in the game.
It's very beta. The game's only been open a week, and significant changes to the game balance seem to happen every few days. Oh, and there will be a complete reset in a month or two when the beta ends.
But it does look interesting so far, and I do enjoy testing new games. Certainly, it's missing a lot of the suck that plagued Lunar Wars. You can create provinces with different terrain types, customize military units (even give them names like "Evil Succubus" >:]), and generally adapt your empire to your playstyle instead of following some cookie cutter progression. There's even a proper market for buying/selling resources.
A lot of the usual CN/LW crowd is there. I'm mulling over what to do about a guild, seeing as how I'm gonna be... uh... "testing the war system" soon. Well, when Sandro actually gets around to coding the war system, that is. :animesweat
Heh. I'll be in there after the beta, I think.
Although I don't really like war, since I seem to be on the sucky end thereof most of the time. Call me paranoid...
Well, they are wargames. Heck... one of the stated design goals is to encourage war and prevent the political stagnation that has plagued other games of its type. >:]
I'm not into griefing for the lulz, either (either giving or receiving), but I do enjoy organized conflict. Plus I'm... uh... bigger than everyone else at the moment.
:kittydevious
Magic reference. Of course, it could change at any time. (and has changed, but I'll leave this up for a reference to what was)
Scroll down or click here (http://clockworkmansion.com/forum/index.php/topic,4509.msg197355.html#msg197355)
| HOLY |
| 10 | Holy Shield | 100 Mana | 2% unit defense bonus for 24 hours. |
| 15 | Stir the Chosen | 120 Mana | 1% unit attack bonus for 8 hours. |
| 30 | Ethereal Light | 250 Mana | 3% unit defense bonus for 18 hours. |
| 45 | Lift the Wounded | 300 Mana | Reduces your casualties by 4% for 4 hours. |
| 50 | Mend the Broken | 450 Mana | 2% unit defense bonus for 10 hours. |
| 55 | Sacred Sabbath | 200 Mana | Reduces your casualties by 4% for 1 hours. |
| 70 | Flaming Sword | 400 Mana | 5% unit attack bonus for 9 hours. |
| 80 | Celestial Rain | 500 Mana | Damages ~50 enemy structures. |
| 100 | Greater Heal | 650 Mana | 5% unit defense bonus for 15 hours. |
| ELEMENTAL |
| 5 | Marians' Last Alms | 100 Mana | 1% food bonus for 48 hours. |
| 10 | Plentiful Boughs | 200 Mana | 5% food bonus for 12 hours. |
| 25 | Haste | 200 Mana | Reduces your casualties by 2% for 1 hours. |
| 50 | Manna From The Heavens | 350 Mana | Creates 1000 food. |
| 50 | Birth of the Earth | 300 Mana | Creates 1000 stone. |
| 50 | Elven Blessing | 300 Mana | Creates 1000 wood. |
| 75 | Split the Earth | 350 Mana | Damages ~35 enemy structures. |
| 90 | Exodus Winds | 950 Mana | Damages ~200 enemy structures. |
| 100 | Harvest of Canaan | 300 Mana | Creates 1000 food. |
| 125 | Sylvan Swords | 200 Mana | 2% unit attack bonus for 8 hours. |
| DARK |
| 10 | Smite | 150 Mana | Damages ~75 enemy units. |
| 15 | Ghastly Shroud | 200 Mana | 2% unit defense bonus for 9 hours. |
| 30 | Iron Fear | 250 Mana | 3% unit attack bonus for 18 hours. |
| 50 | Fireball | 300 Mana | Damages ~90 enemy units. |
| 50 | Rivers of Mold | 300 Mana | Damages ~25 enemy structures. |
| 70 | Gossamer Shroud | 410 Mana | Reduces your casualties by 5% for 10 hours. |
| 90 | Sickle Moon | 425 Mana | Damages ~100 enemy units. |
I had nothing better to do today so I signed up to see what the hubub is about.
Would the more experienced please shed light so perhaps some newcomers might not be lost in murky darkness? :3
EDIT: Here's my underdeveloped, misdirected empire. (http://galava.net/user?id=3680)
Hmm... let's see...
Coastal/Mountain is a decent starting combo. Right now, food is king. You might have to sell stone and buy wood to balance out your growth, which is unfortunate since stone is selling for about half the price of wood (and 1/4 the price of food). The resources aren't balanced yet. It's beta. :animesweat
Your first priority is to get your resource producing buildings (Farms/Mills/Mines) built up. You don't need to build up housing that quickly when you start, because you start fairly far away from your max population. Maybe add a few houses per update until your population reaches 70% cap and then start adding more aggressively. Adding population is actually somewhat bad, because food is so expensive that they eat more than they generate in taxes, but that's likely to change in the near future and you don't want to be caught with too few workers.
Ignore roads and walls. They're useless at the moment.
Set your tax rate to 5%. It's best. By far.
Once you've built all the possible resource buildings, explore to 188 total land. That's when your cap on resource buildings goes up. It goes up again every 75 land thereafter, so it's best to always explore in 75 land blocks (until you can afford to explore more at once, that is). Under the land tab in the province overview, you can explore both lands at once. It's faster and cheaper to do it that way. You probably want to favour the Coastal over the Mountain, since it gives you more food.
Don't worry about progression until you find that you don't have enough market capacity to buy or sell what you need. Market cap increases with progression. Progression also unlocks things like research bonuses to production, weapons, magic, and extra provinces, but you're not anywhere near the point where that matters yet.
If you want a quick buff, put 10 of any resource up on the market for 10k each. There's no foreign aid system in place, but we can do market tricks like that to exchange funds. Don't worry. 100k gold is nothing to a nation my size.
I see. I noticed how terrible the macroeconomics is in the game. Thanks for the pointers and the buff. :)
PS: I don't understand your province naming scheme... I'm sure there is some hidden deep meaning to it - I always try to include one in creative naming.
They're locations from Smoke and Mirrors, the backstory of the Furrae version of my character. I use a heavily stylized dialect of classical Nahuatl for the names and native language.
Myktlan (MEEK-tlan, literally "land of death") is a small, mostly rainforested nation ruled by Demons, where the primitive Being communities war over the right to be eaten. That's where the Incubus Tezkat spent much of his childhood.
Quamyztepek (kwah-meess-TEH-pek, literally "mountains of the eagle-lions" but usually translated as "Gryphon Peaks") is a range of very tall, jagged mountains separating Myktlan from the rest of the mainland.
:tmyk
Ah, is that so? I practically learnt Elvish (Sindarin) for naming systematically.
Shall we consider starting a guild there? I'm tired of the half-dozen invites I got...
EDIT: I've spent all the gold you gave :animesweat And the economics of the game is awful.
Form a guild? Maybe if there were more of us...
I don't really want to do the tiny, uninvolved guild thing in Galava. Maybe on the tourney server, where all the guilds are small and people can beat the crap each other with little consequence. On the main server, I'd prefer to have a larger army at my back should I decide to throw might weight around a little. >:]
And, yeah... the market is a little messed up right now. :3 I'll probably have some more cash to aid you soon. I just blew nearly 8 mil gold on progression jumps. :dface
Darkdragon asked for data on progression costs to play with. Here are the resource costs all the way up to 301. (Multiply x100 for gold costs.)
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Have fun.
:mowcookie
Well, I went ahead and created the DMFA guild. Join, or don't and maybe I'll change the name to Not a Guild <NaG> or something :P
Yay for micro-alliances. :3 It amuses me that we're still on the front page by unit count.
Any interest in forming diplomatic ties with other guilds?
Of course, there's that merger thing with the Mercs that needs a response.
I've also become pretty friendly with the Thugz' leadership. We've been sharing a lot of game mechanics data and such. Despite the gangsta wannabe RP thing they have going, they're actually a bunch of geeky college students who all know each other from school in RL. :animesweat It might be useful to do some kind of treaty once we get more members.
Out of curiosity... how many of you not-yet-playing peeps are interested in joining us after the beta ends? Galava is shaping up to be pretty cool.
I'd be in for "after beta", I think.
After given a sudden burst of desire to know, I have compiled a chart listing all the guild listing (of minimum 2 people) as of about now and found that we have some of the highest resource to member count ratios. For example, We have a progression : Member ratio of 345 progression, ranked #3, with two other micro-alliances above us (Mercenaries for Hire and United Jonesistania).
We also come in third for most military units per member, topping out at 4876 and a third units per member. Considering I have none at the moment, that's a rather formidable number.
*Drum Roll Please* We top the charts with most land per person, with 13+2/3 k land per person, AND most gold per person, with 3 million 774 thousand gold per person, overtaking second place by 1,648,500 gold.
Well, that certainly made me feel much better regarding our alliance. :)
Quote from: Tezkat on June 11, 2008, 05:54:22 PM
Any interest in forming diplomatic ties with other guilds?
Not especially. /shrug
But, if you aren't going to defect to a real alliance, you can be MoFA if you want :B
Actually, with three members, we can be a Triumvirate. Hooray, promotions for everybody! :V
It doesn't really matter for the beta, but a small guild with this many powergamers kinda has a gigantic target painted on it. :dface Galava doesn't really have the culture of protectorates that CN does, mainly because most of the guilds are pretty small, so the only real form of protection would be to make friends and influence people.
Or stay in hippie mode the whole game... :animesweat
In other news, it amuses me that I personally have more troops than all of \m/. :3
The new magic, much of which was picked up from the Galava forums
Note that all of the Structure attack spells were nerfed... however, I can only update the spells that I have.
App HOLY Cost Effect Duration
10 Holy Shield 75 Mana 1% Military Defense 4 hours
14 Worm of Asclepius 75 Mana 1% Military Attack 4 hours
20 Protect the Chosen 85 Mana 2% Military Defense 4 hours
23 Celestial Rain 85 Mana 2% Military Attack 3 hours
30 Cleanse the Unclean 95 Mana 2% Military Defense 5 hours
35 Holy Shock 100 Mana ~20 Structures Destroyed Instant
40 Reflective Shield 105 Mana 3% Structure Defense 2 days
50 Sacred Sabbath 110 Mana 3% Military Defense 4 hours
?? Lesser Heal 115 Mana 2% Military Defense 3 days
?? Architect the Nebuchadrezzar 130 Mana 2% Construction Bonus 2 hours
100~Mend the Broken 160 Mana 4% Military Defense 4 hours
App ELEMENTAL Cost Effect Duration
10 Conjure Food 75 Mana 1% Food Bonus 1 day
13 Conjure Wood 75 Mana 1% Wood Bonus 1 day
16 Conjure Stone 75 Mana 1% Stone Bonus 1 day
24 Meteorites 135 Mana ~10 Structures Destroyed Instant
30 Spring of Trout 140 Mana 2% Food Bonus 1 day
36 Demiurge of Wood 140 Mana 2% Wood Bonus 1 day
42 Avalanche of Stone 140 Mana 2% Stone Bonus 1 day
52 Thousand Arms of Brahma 145 Mana 4% Construction Bonus 2 hours
60 Split the Earth 160 Mana ~20 Structures Destroyed Instant
68 Druid's Blessing 165 Mana 3% Food Bonus 1 day
76 Elven Blessing 165 Mana 3% Wood Bonus 1 day
84 Gaia's Blessing 165 Mana 3% Stone Bonus 1 day
100 Sylvan Swords 170 Mana 2% Military Attack 2 hours
110 Shedding of Sticks 185 Mana 3% Food Bonus 3 days
120 Harvest of the Orchard 185 Mana 3% Wood Bonus 3 days
130 Genesis of Stone 185 Mana 3% Stone Bonus 3 days
150 Exodus Winds 195 Mana ~30 Structures Destroyed Instant
170 Hardened Will 200 Mana 2% Structure Defense 12 hours
190 Plentiful Boughs 220 Mana 5% Food Bonus 1 day
200 Regrowth 220 Mana 5% Wood Bonus 1 day
210 Earthbloom 220 Mana 5% Stone Bonus 1 day
220 Caduceus Flash 245 Mana 8% Construction Bonus 1 day 12 hours
260 Entropic Bolt 255 Mana ~40 Structures Destroyed Instant
290 Marians' Last Alms 270 Mana 7% Food Bonus 1 day
300 Lifebloom 270 Mana 7% Wood Bonus 1 day
310 Birth of the Earth 270 Mana 7% Stone Bonus 1 day
340 Meteor 285 Mana ~50 Structures Destroyed Instant
360 Solomon's Guide 300 Mana 12% Construction Bonus 1 day 12 hours
380 Lightning 315 Mana ~60 Structures Destroyed Instant
400 Springs of the Void 350 Mana 10% Food Bonus 1 day 12 hours
433 ? 350 Mana 10% Wood Bonus 1 day 12 hours
466~? 350 Mana 10% Stone Bonus 1 day 12 hours
App DARK Cost Effect Duration
10 Smite 75 Mana 1% Military Attack 4 hours
14 Poison 90 Mana 1% Military Attack 10 hours
20 Unholy Shield 85 Mana 1% Military Defense 4 hours
30 Salt the Wounds 95 Mana 2% Military Attack 4 hours
34 Fireball 100 Mana ~25 Structures Destroyed Instant
42 Creeping Death 105 Mana 2% Military Attack 10 hours
?? Dark Barrier 110 Mana 2% Structure Defense 1 day
?? Wasting Sickness 115 Mana 3% Military Attack 4 hours
?? Premonition of Rapture 120 Mana 3% Military Attack 10 hours
?? Oblivion 130 Mana ~60 Structures Destroyed Instant
?? Typhus Dirge 160 Mana 4% Military Attack 4 hours
?? Venomous Knives 170 Mana 4% Military Attack 10 hours
?? Whisper the Insane 180 Mana ~100 Structures Destroyed Instant
?? Phantom Garrote 190 Mana 5% Military Attack 4 hours
?? Sear the Soul 200 Mana 5% Military Attack 10 hours
?? Obliteration 205 Mana 140 Structures Destroyed Instant
?? Sickle Moon 210 Mana 6% Military Attack 4 hours
?? Rivers of Mold 215 Mana ~190 Structures Destroyed Instant
?? Iron Fear 220 Mana 6% Military Attack 10 hours
?? Banshee Scream 230 Mana 7% Military Attack 4 hours
?? Ghastly Shroud 240 Mana 2% Military Defense 4 hours
?? Kiss of the Forgotten 250 Mana 8% Military Attack 4 hours
?? Cull the Earth 260 Mana ~230 Structures Destroyed Instant
250~Crushing Fist of Thanos 270 Mana ~275 Structures Destroyed Instant
Updated Armory list, courtesy of our thuggish friends...
:mowninja
Melee Weapons:
Bone Knife 1 Points 1 0
Flint Dagger 3 Points 1-4 0
Bronze Sword 5 Points 4-6 0
Simple Sword 7 Points 8 0
Iron Blade 10 Points 8-10 0
Long Spear 13 Points 11-13 0-2
Iron Mace 16 Points 15 2-4
Basilard 19 Points 17-21 0-2
Steel Sabre 22 Points 25 0
Battle Axe 26 Points 28 2-3
Ivory Basilard 29 Points 33 2
Warhammer 33 Points 28-36 4
Scimitar 37 Points 40-45 1
Steel Long Sword 41 Points 44 3
Great Sword 45 Points 49 3-5
Dagger of Defense 49 Points 48 12
Doubled Edged Sagaris 53 Points 58 5
Claymore 58 Points 65-67 3
Steel Broadsword 62 Points 70 3-4
Hardened Katana 67 Points 80-84 0
Polished Sword 71 Points 82 5-6
Morningstar 81 Points 90-93 10
Double Headed Labrys 86 Points 98 9
Zweihander 91 Points 110 5
Melee Armor:
Leather Armor 1 Points 0 1
Iron Boots 3 Points 0 4
Simple Hat 5 Points 0 6
Simple Chain 7 Points 0 8
Bleached Leather Armor 10 Points 0 11-13
Brigandine 13 Points 0 15
Judo Gi 16 Points 0 15-20
Chainmail 19 Points 0 20-23
Jujitsu Gi 22 Points 0 26
Heavy Gauntlet 26 Points 1 30
Lamellar Armor 29 Points 0 34
Karate Gi 33 Points 0 35-41
Haut Brigandine 37 Points 0 44
Rusted Plate 45 Points 0 55
Ranged Weapons:
Throwing Knife 1 Points 1 0
Simple Bow 3 Points 2-4 0
Flimsy Harpoon 5 Points 5 1
Flimsy Crossbow 7 Points 8 0
Wooden Bow 10 Points 10-12 0
Javelin 13 Points 12-14 2
Shuriken 16 Points 15-20 0
Light Crossbow 19 Points 20-24 0
Short Bow 22 Points 22-28 0
Hand Crossbow 26 Points 23-34 0
Harpoon 29 Points 32 3
Swift Bow 33 Points 30-42 0
Long Bow 37 Points 37-48 0
Throwing Axe 41 Points 41-49 4
Compound Bow 45 Points 46-55 0
Crossbow 49 Points 58 0
Recurve Bow 53 Points 56-65 0
Steel Harpoon 58 Points 60-67 5
Ranged Armor:
Light Boots 1 Points 0 1
Silk Shirt 3 Points 0 3-4
Hunters Gloves 5 Points 1 5
Leather Helmet 7 Points 0 7-8
Brittle Shield 10 Points 0 10-12
Padded Leather 13 Points 0 13
Thick Cloak 16 Points 0 15-18
Wooden Shield 19 Points 0 18-24
Chain Mail 22 Points 0 25
Juniper Coat 26 Points 0 30
Medium Shield 29 Points 0 33-35
Compound Silk Jacket 33 Points 0 35-40
Layered Silk Vest 37 Points 0 40-46
Copper Shield 41 Points 0 49
Barbed Leather 45 Points 0 53
Pitted Leather 49 Points 0 58
Sauternes Leather 53 Points 0 64-65
Magic Weapons:
Wooden Staff 1 Points 1 0
Rod 3 Points 4 0
Enchanted Rod 5 Points 6 0
Sorcerers Ring 7 Points 8 0
Wand 10 Points 12 0
Power Rod 13 Points 14-16 0
Oak Staff 16 Points 18-19 0
Sage's Potion 19 Points 20 3-4
Mystic Tablet 22 Points 26 0
Blessed Oak Staff 26 Points 29 0
Spell Book 29 Points 33 0
Spell Tonic 33 Points 35 5
Bloodstone Dagger 37 Points 43 0
Force Staff 41 Points 47 1
Mythril Trumpet 45 Points 40-55 0
Jade Staff 49 Points 57 0
Rod of Trickery 53 Points 62 0
Sylph Staff 58 Points 70 0
Flare Staff 62 Points 77 0
Magic Armor:
Plain Robes 1 Points 0 1
Silk Robes 3 Points 0 3
Thick Coat 5 Points 0 5
Force Charm 7 Points 2 5
Cantrip Robes 10 Points 1-3 10
Light Shield Charm 13 Points 3-5 11
Enchanted Robes 16 Points 4 15
Leather Garments 19 Points 0 21
Enchanted Longcoat 22 Points 3 23
Ring of Protection 26 Points 4-6 22-26
Barons Ring 29 Points 5 30
Fur Wrap 33 Points 0 37
Enchanted Footwear 37 Points 1 43
Aristocrats Dress 41 Points 0 44-49
Ring of Shielding 45 Points 5 50
Enchanted Robe 49 Points 2-6 54
Rivers Thread 53 Points 3-5 60
The Seventeen Seas 58 Points 2 70
The magic weapon Rod of Trickery was fixed to 62 attack.
The next couple of magic armours are:
Ring of Shielding 45 Points 5 50
Enchanted Robe 49 Points 2-6 54
Rivers Thread 53 Points 3-5 60
Updated the weapon list again.
We also have a tentative protectorate offer from the West Side Thug Unit. Anyone interested?
The war system looks like it'll be done in the next week or so...
[insert image of Neutral Planet President here]
I have no strong feelings one way or the other.
Quote from: Kasarn on July 04, 2008, 08:47:38 PM
[insert image of Neutral Planet President here]
I have no strong feelings one way or the other.
Agreeth.
Here I am (http://galava.net/user?id=5002), making all my mistakes now so I'll be better in the Beta.
Quote from: Ganurath on July 07, 2008, 11:09:35 PM
Here I am (http://galava.net/user?id=5002), making all my mistakes now so I'll be better in the Beta.
This is the beta; it's just not a perpetual beta...
The DMFA guild is at http://galava.net/guild?id=285 if you want to join.
And does anybody have an idea for a name? Keep in mind that it can only be 25 characters long.
I was originally thinking of something like llearch's original LW alliance name
Deep Moon Fishing Adventures (which is too long)
Deep Moor Fishing ArenaDark Moor Fishing Arena
Divine Mainland Forest Alliance?
That's 31 characters, Ganurath.
Why Fishing?
Why not?
You could always go for, oh, say, Dart Moor Foreign Allies, or Deep Mine Fish Ambit...
I decided to jump on this band wagon and see what all the noise and mile-long posting is about. http://galava.net/user?id=5014
Heh... fun with acronyms...
Deadly Muffins For All
Danger - Mow Feeding Area
Dark Magick Fae Assembly
Demented Mab Fanatic Army
Deranged Mad Furry Asylum
Demon Mares' Fiery Abyss
Dirty Men Fondling Abel
:mowtongue
Other orders of business...
With respect to the prospective treaties... since nobody else has any strong feelings one way or another about the protectorate, I'll pose the question another way: What is the highest level of participation in allies' wars that you'd be willing to include in a treaty?
Jumping in when you feel like it (ODP or some kind of friendship pact)?
Mandatory defence if they come under attack (MDP)?
Mandatory support in their campaigns of aggression (MADP)?
We might start out with something like a protectorate, but, left to my own devices, I'll be inclined to include language that opens the door to more opportunities for war. >:] Galava is much smaller than CN. You don't need a hundred players to matter here. As more of us come over to the game, we'll be increasingly able to hold our own.
QUICKSTART NEWBIE GUIDE:
Land is king. Land = gold/resources/everything. Worry about buying progression only when you're at your land caps or close to getting a new province (or when you need greater market capacity). Spend on resource buildings (Farms/Mills/Mines) before anything else. They're the only things that really help your economy. Food is so expensive at the moment that housing/roads are roughly revenue neutral, or even running at a loss.
You get to add extra resource buildings every 75 land, starting at 188 (so... 188, 263, 338, etc.). There's not much point to exploring until you can reach one of those milestones. You'll get an extra house/road/wall every 5 land.
The game's resources are currently grossly unbalanced in favour of food, and likely to remain so for some time, so preferentially explore your food lands. (You can have up to a 70-30 mix.) Food is worth more than 10x what any other resource is worth, because Sandro's been working on the war system rather than trying to fix the economy. Anyone who hasn't yet created their first province, go Plains/Coastal or Plains/Hills. Spend your university points on food as well.
Forget about troops/workshop/armory for now. You can't even fight until you get your second province (60 progression). Also, the war system doesn't actually work yet. :animesweat
For those of you who just joined and would like aids, the most efficient way to boost people is not to use the actual foreign aid system, but instead to exploit the market as a surrogate aid system. Put batches of resources (doesn't matter what kind) on the market at 10x10000PPU (100k gold per batch), and we'll buy them up when we have spare cash.
EDIT:
Forgot something important: Tax rate. Increasing your tax rate raises your gold income and lowers your resource production. Thus, optimal tax rate depends on the current market price of resources (i.e. when it's better to buy vs produce your own). The easy way to find the tipping point is to divide the difference in gold production at high vs low taxes by the difference in resource production. At the moment, due to the exorbitant price of food, it's virtually guaranteed that 10% will be the best tax rate for some time.
Quote from: Tezkat on May 21, 2008, 03:32:57 AM
Hmm... let's see...
Coastal/Mountain is a decent starting combo. Right now, food is king. You might have to sell stone and buy wood to balance out your growth, which is unfortunate since stone is selling for about half the price of wood (and 1/4 the price of food). The resources aren't balanced yet. It's beta. :animesweat
And for this reason, I'm going to voice the opinion that the best starting combo for land is Coastal Primary, Forest Secondary. Let's compare it to Mountain Secondary:
Trade Resources: Both land's resources decrease construction costs. Iron boosts attack, though, which is worthless atm, whereas Cherry Wood increases commerce. More money!
Food: Forest and Mountain impose the same penalty to food production, so you'll have a net bonus of 20% either way.
Wood: More expensive than stone, and thus you want more. The bonus of forest secondary negates the penalty of Coastal primary, but if you go Mountain secondary like I did you get a honkin' penalty of -33.3%. Ouch.
Stone: The one point where Mountain secondary has a meaningful edge. They get a bonus of 13.3% even after the Coastal penalty. With Forest secondary, you get a net penalty of -20%. However, with improved commerce and having a surplus of a more expensive building resource, you're in an advantagous position of being able to sell wood, buy stone, and net a profit if it's an even trade.
Defense: Mountain is better, but war doesn't work and it's your first province, so it's meaningless and we won't bother with the math. Blegh.
Trade: Forest provides a net edge over Mountains for Trade bonuses of +5%.
Conlclusion: I'll be switching from Mountain Secondary to Forest Secondary after the Beta ends.
The post you quoted is several months out of date.
I'd say anyone joining us now would be doing themselves an enormous disservice by not creating a food-food province. Maybe if Sandro fixes the economy, food-wood might be useful. However, the game is currently set up in such a way that food is being consumed about three times faster than any other resource. Thus, food becomes the bottleneck for everything, and it's price will rise as high as the gold supply will allow, whereas the others will gradually become worthless due to extreme oversupply. Unless there are enormous changes to the structure of the game (and, honestly, I seriously doubt tha the proposed castle system will be it), that will continue to be the case for the forseeable future.
Defense is irrelevant for a first province, but you'll want to have a high(er) defense province for war mode (2nd or 3rd province). The defense-based land types are severely gimped economically. Unless the tiny incremental increase in structural defense turns out to make a huge difference, it's probably much better to set up a stone-stone province as your outer wall. And if you do that, you really don't want to have stone lands anywhere but your border. I made that mistake, and I'm now sitting on close to 2 million units of worthless stone. You can barely give the stuff away.
Remember that you can always use the extra slot per province to trade for any bonus resources you need, and they only stack three times anyway.
Construction bonuses are very helpful early on, but they rapidly become less valuable simply because wood and stone are so cheap.
The food bonus from Plains is +60% compared to +40% for Coastal. Since food is 15x more expensive than everything else, that's huge. Furthermore, population buffs are--for good or bad (since high food prices literally eat away at profits)--effectively double bonuses. They increase the capacity of housing and also increase the level above 100% occupancy around which your population will fluctuate. (So +4% population from Elderberry will actually boost citizen count by close to 8% once your houses are full.) Commerce is dependend on citizen count, just like taxes, so it's useless without population.
Also note that provinces tend towards a 50-50 land distribution in most empires simply because disproportionate exploration takes a lot longer.
Hi DMFA folks, fisherman from the thugs here. Just checking in. I love reading your stuff Tezkat, even though I pretty much know it all already. I'm trying to figure out wether or not to build houses in my food provinces and switch to 20%, any input?
Idle question: what sort of rate should I be running taxes at, and how do I sign up to the guild? ;-]
Edit: Scratch the guild bit, I found it. My other question stands, though.
Although I have not done the maths, I do think in a food province would be more valuable producing food as opposed to Gold, as food is going for over 90 ppu. Unless you realize you can actually buy more food with the extra gold, I don't see a reason to set taxes at 20%.
Running a quick test:
| Tax | Gold | Food | Wood | Stone |
| 20 | 294 | 106 | 55 | 50 |
| 19 | 282 | 107 | 56 | 51 |
| 18 | 271 | 108 | 56 | 52 |
| 17 | 260 | 110 | 57 | 52 |
| 16 | 249 | 111 | 58 | 53 |
| 15 | 238 | 112 | 58 | 53 |
| 14 | 227 | 113 | 59 | 54 |
| 13 | 217 | 114 | 60 | 55 |
| 12 | 206 | 116 | 60 | 55 |
| 11 | 196 | 117 | 61 | 56 |
| 10 | 186 | 118 | 62 | 56 |
10% is probably the most effective, given the way the money flows. Of course, you kinda need a lot more people before this starts working out...
Ya want maths? :mowcookie
GOLD
Houses give you 4.5 citizens apiece. Population near the cap naturally fluctuates around 100% +/- 5%. Population bonuses appear to affect both the caps and the wiggle range. (With +6% population, mine usually varied from 100-111%. At +10%, it's gone as high as 116%.) So it may actually provide a double bonus. That's either good or bad, depending on the price of food.
Tax income... I haven't been able to make my data look like the equations Sandro posted. The province overview screen shows Revenue/Citizen = 80 * Bonus * TaxRate. I haven't been able to work that into anything useful. Basically, I've got...
TaxIncome = (1 + EmpireIncomeBonus) * BaseCitizenIncome * #Citizens
I've got BaseCitizenIncome at around 8.23 for 10% tax rate and 18.03 for 20% tax rate. The relationship is linear. As best I can tell, it isn't actually related ot the numbers posted in the province overview. And 20% tax isn't double 10% tax.
Commerce income is independent of tax rate:
CommerceIncome = #Citizens * CommerceBonus * RoadBonus * BaseCommerce
CommerceBonus is based on land distribution and bonus resources. The bonuses are additive (CommerceBonus = 1 + LandBonus + ResourceBonus). RoadBonus is your road coverage (RoadBonus = 1 + #Roads/MaxRoads).
I've got BaseCommerce at 7.24 for an empire with three provinces and 8.71 for four.
(By the way, if any of you new guys want to help out with my data collection, post commerce data for your empires. I'd need commerce income, population, land distribution, road count, and bonus resources.)
RESOURCES
ResourceIncome = #Buildings * ResourceBonus * ResourceRate
I'm getting a base ResourceRate around 74.49 at 10% tax and 66.65 at 20%. It's a linear function of tax rate.
ResourceBonus includes bonuses from land type, university, weather, and artifacts. All the bonuses are additive. You need to use the land bonus from a proper land distribution calculator instead of the province overview, or you might get some rounding errors.
UPKEEP
House
4.5 Gold, 0.5 Wood, 0.5 Stone
(Plus each citizen eats 0.36 Food. Soldiers eat 0.036 Food--1/10 of what a normal person eats.)
Resource Building (any)
13.5 Gold, 4.5 Wood, 4.5 Stone
Road
0.5 Gold, 0.1 Wood
Wall
0.5 Gold, 0.1 Stone
Land
1.78 Gold (?)
Workshop maintenance slowly increases in price depending on how many toys you have. Siege units start off costing about 4 wood and 2 stone per update, while defensive units cost 2 wood and 4 stone--regardless of what type of resource you used to buy them. It hits ~2.75/5.5 at around 68 units. The costs appear to increase independently for each type of unit.
Housing is barely breaking even for me at the moment at 10% taxes, and I have some very large income and commerce bonuses in my empire.
In practice, the real market price of resources is usually within +/- 10% of whatever the lowest offer is at the moment. Below that, it sells instantly. Higher than that may take longer than 24 hours to sell, if at all. So you can safely assume that the price on the first few pages is correct.
Want to know when to change taxes? Find out the market price of the difference in resources collected at the higher and lower tax rates. Compare that to the difference in gold revenue. If the former is higher, lower taxes. If the latter is higher, raise it. Unless the price of food drops significantly or Sandro makes other changes to the economy, 10% will be the best for some time to come.
Quote from: Tezkat on July 10, 2008, 03:04:40 PMCommerceIncome = #Citizens * CommerceBonus * RoadBonus * BaseCommerce
CommerceBonus is based on land distribution and bonus resources. The bonuses are additive (CommerceBonus = 1 + LandBonus + ResourceBonus). RoadBonus is your road coverage (RoadBonus = 1 + #Roads/MaxRoads).
...That's it, I'm going to max out roads once I'm done building the new resource centers. Triple my commerce? Hell yes!
Um... double. :animesweat And roads don't really do much unless you beef up your housing first.
As usual, I've been going about all this completely backwards.
Oh, well. Stop buying roads and houses, and just buy farms, mills, mines, and land, in that order, until I need more houses. Or something.
Quote from: Tezkat on July 10, 2008, 06:19:17 PM
Um... double. :animesweat And roads don't really do much unless you beef up your housing first.
Road Bonus = +X percent, where X is the percent of maximum roads you have built. I currently have 10/38, which is less than a third (almost a quarter) of maximum: 26%. As such, I have a 26% roads bonus. If I max my roads, I'll have a 100% roads bonus, nearly four times that ammount. Subtract for upkeep, and even if you're generous to the side of pessimism you're still at least tripling commerce.
Edit: I found the aid section (http://galava.net/storehouse?page=aid) while looking to protect my woodsies. I decided to stick some of the excess money from selling food in the storehouse so I'd have seed money in case I got rushed after I got my second province, and I found that the aid feature was a subsection thereof.
Edit 2: I've come up with a couple builds for the post-Beta.
Magic Marauders:
Hills/Coastal
Tundra/Swamp
Coastal/Swamp
Coastal/Tundra
Trade: Get 3 of each of your land type's resources. This is the build you want for those who want to run heavy on the magic, with 30% max mana and 42% regeneration.
Urban Empire:
Plains/Coastal
Desert/Forest
Coastal/Forest
Coastal/Desert
Trade: Get 3 of each of your land type's resources. Decent construction and commerce bonuses, and ridiculous citizen income bonuses.
Yeah... foreign aid...
The foreign aid system is interesting. You only have three
incoming aid slots per week, but
unlimited outgoing transactions. :dface A decent sized empire can receive up to 2 points of progression per transaction. This has interesting consequences for progression trading (which is like tech trading). Three newbies can supply the entire guild with 6 progression per week, regardless of the number of empires. It's not a lot, but every little bit helps.
To pay for it, we use the market. Put up bundles of resources at 10k PPU. You can also sell the general public, with the number of resources in the bundle determining the price. People buy your resources, and you send them progression. There are empires who have made tens of millions selling progression. The going rate is anywhere from 40k to 250k for 2 progression points. For comparison purposes, an empire my size pays nearly 1.5 million to buy 2 progression points.
It's a good deal. In any event, I'd encourage you guys to receive some boostage from the larger players. Since we're using the market to send you money, our ability to subsidize you is limited only by gold, not aid slots.
EDIT:Quote from: Ganurath on July 10, 2008, 08:01:23 PM
Magic Marauders:
Hills/Coastal
Tundra/Swamp
Coastal/Swamp
Coastal/Tundra
Trade: Get 3 of each of your land type's resources. This is the build you want for those who want to run heavy on the magic, with 30% max mana and 42% regeneration.
Personally, I think it's an extremely bad idea to mix tundra with anything other than another defense land... or at least a stone land. The economic penalty is so bad that you'll be much worse off than if you'd just gone with, say, a stone-stone combo. If you want the bonus resource, get it through trades rather than gimping your economy.
Increasing max mana is of questional value, because regeneration rates aren't related to your total mana pool. In other words, having more mana means that you're waiting longer to use it.
The base regen is 500 seconds per mana point (173 mana points/day). I have a base of 533 mana at 850 progression--three days to fill up a mana bar from empty (actually slightly less since I have double Nightshade).
Putting apprentices into mana apparently improves regen time now. I haven't had a chance to experiment with that yet, though.
On Land Choice:
This build is oriented toward maximizing one's magic potential. Four provinces means eight land slots for resources and four trade slots for resources. As such, relying on trades for at least half of one's magic resources is generally ill advised when one plans to rely on magic. Besides, Tundra has the lowest Food penalty of all the non-Food lands at -10%.
On Increased Maximum Magic:
If one plans on casting nonstop, it's easy to understand how it may seem frivilous. However, consider that there is no school of magic that doesn't do something violent. If you're going to go to war, you want to have a large stockpile of mana built up to cast a series of spells to launch a devastating opening offensive.
Edit:
Is there anything stopping someone from continually buying Progression without getting a second province so they can stay in Peace Mode unpenalized while building up armory points to get toward a superunit, then exploding outward out of nowhere in a flood of magical destruction calling forth the Elder Gods of the Swamps to fill the world with blood as per the prophecies of the Tundra dwellers?
Quote from: Ganurath on July 11, 2008, 01:15:29 AM
Is there anything stopping someone from continually buying Progression without getting a second province so they can stay in Peace Mode unpenalized while building up armory points to get toward a superunit, then exploding outward out of nowhere in a flood of magical destruction calling forth the Elder Gods of the Swamps to fill the world with blood as per the prophecies of the Tundra dwellers?
I dunno. Shall I find out? ;-]
As far as I can tell, two provinces with peace mode penalty is better than one province with no penalties.
Perma-peace mode carries a penalty of -25% to gold and resource production. A two province hippie empire will have at least double the land capacity, cheaper building/exploration, twice the bonus resources, increased commerce/citizen, and access to spells--easily enough to make up the penalty in the long run.
Remaining near your land cap is suboptimal due to the economics, because progression costs more gold per resource than nearly any empire can produce. If you don't have multiple provinces between which to distribute exploration costs, you'll be perpetually bottlenecked by gold supply.
And you can't build up very quickly. There's a hard cap on exploration speed of 960 land per day per province, assuming you explore both types evenly. Buildings: 288 per building per day per province (plus construction bonuses). Troops: 480 per day per province per unit. Workshop items: 96 per day per unit. Getting my fourth province up to speed is a two-week operation that I still haven't completed.
Thanks to llearch's data, I've got a better idea of what the BaseCommerce projection looks like:
1 province: 4.28 gold/citizen
2 provinces: 5.76 gold/citizen (projected)
3 provinces: 7.24 gold/citizen
4 provinces: 8.71 gold/citizen
Adding provinces increases commerce income substantially.
Also, for the curious... the complete University tree (fully unlocked at 850 progression):
Food Based Technologies
Fertilizer +2%
Rationing +2%
Livestock Stockade +3%
Basic Irrigation +1%
>> Mono Agriculture +2%
>> Crop Rotation +5%
Rudimentary Canals +3%
Basic Processing +2%
>> Simple Storage +3%
>> Pickling +4%
>> Pasteurization +6%
Plows +4%
Wood Based Technologies
Basic Chopping Techniques +2%
Processed Wood +2%
Dimensional Lumber +3%
Forest Management Plans +1%
>> Treeplanting +2%
>> Prescribed Burning +5%
Fungus Education +3%
Basic Processing +2%
>> Oak Processing +3%
>> Maple Processing +4%
>> Yew Processing +6%
Sawmill Development +4%
Stone Based Technologies
Soil Erosion Studies +2%
Mining Safety Union +2%
Basic Smelting +3%
Blasting Caps +1%
>> Strip Mining +2%
>> Mining Revolution +5%
Deformation Monitoring +3%
Basic Geology +2%
>> Sedimentary Rock Studies +3%
>> Igneous Rock Studies +4%
>> Metamorphic Rock Studies +6%
Biomineralisation +4%
Totals: +37% Food, +37% Wood, +37% Stone
...and a helpful land calculator that someone wrote:
http://thesinkhole.net/games/galava/galavaland.html
I have someone offering a trade for Seaweed.
Since I've got Elderberry and Seaweed myself, does this mean we both get two Seaweeds? Or does it mean I get to pick one of his things to trade with, and I get the benefit of that, or what?
And is it a good trade?
Edit:
The gentleman (http://galava.net/user?id=556) in question...
Quote from: Tezkat on July 11, 2008, 10:44:19 AM
Perma-peace mode carries a penalty of -25% to gold and resource production. A two province hippie empire will have at least double the land capacity, cheaper building/exploration, twice the bonus resources, increased commerce/citizen, and access to spells--easily enough to make up the penalty in the long run.
Also, unless I'm missing something, it takes 500 hours (
25 / 0.05), or 20 days 20 hours, to reach -25%.
Quote from: llearch n'n'daCorna on July 11, 2008, 04:40:23 PM
I have someone offering a trade for Seaweed.
Since I've got Elderberry and Seaweed myself, does this mean we both get two Seaweeds? Or does it mean I get to pick one of his things to trade with, and I get the benefit of that, or what?
And is it a good trade?
Edit:
The gentleman (http://galava.net/user?id=556) in question...
They get access to your seaweed and you will be given a list of what they've got available to trade.
Note that an empire can only trade a resource once; so, if want a specific resource from them, there's a chance it won't be available as they're already trading it.
Hmm. So... I only find out what they have available after I agree to trade?
Seems a bit... questionable.
Also, what are good bonus resources, then? Or, rather, what should I be looking at improving at this stage?
Special resources stack up to three times. All bonuses are additive. When you accept, you'll be able to choose from any special resources he has free.
I'd stay away from population buffs (Elderberry, Coal), since food costs too much. Income and commerce buffs are decent. Construction buffs are nice as well, though I like them more for the speed bonus than the cost reduction. Attack and mana bonuses won't help you until you're big enough for more provinces.
What are your choices?
Hmm... since nobody seems interested in free monies, how about I buy some progression?
Put up 50 of anything on the market at 10000 PPU. I buy that. Then you send 2 progression to my empire (http://galava.net/user?id=377) via financial aid (http://galava.net/storehouse?page=aid). Since progression costs you guys maybe 5k worth of gold and resources a pop, that's like 490k profitz. Good deal, no? >:]
Quote from: Tezkat on July 11, 2008, 10:10:26 PMPut up 50 of anything on the market at 10000 PPU. I buy that. Then you send 2 progression to my empire (http://galava.net/user?id=377) via financial aid (http://galava.net/storehouse?page=aid). Since progression costs you guys maybe 5k worth of gold and resources a pop, that's like 490k profitz. Good deal, no? >:]
50 Wood up.
Quote from: Tezkat on July 11, 2008, 10:10:26 PM
Special resources stack up to three times. All bonuses are additive. When you accept, you'll be able to choose from any special resources he has free.
I'd stay away from population buffs (Elderberry, Coal), since food costs too much. Income and commerce buffs are decent. Construction buffs are nice as well, though I like them more for the speed bonus than the cost reduction. Attack and mana bonuses won't help you until you're big enough for more provinces.
What are your choices?
Let me see...
Nightshade, Cherry Wood, Iron Wood, or Iron.
From what you've said, Cherry Wood is probably my best bet...
Quote from: Tezkat on July 11, 2008, 10:10:26 PM
Hmm... since nobody seems interested in free monies, how about I buy some progression?
Put up 50 of anything on the market at 10000 PPU. I buy that. Then you send 2 progression to my empire (http://galava.net/user?id=377) via financial aid (http://galava.net/storehouse?page=aid). Since progression costs you guys maybe 5k worth of gold and resources a pop, that's like 490k profitz. Good deal, no? >:]
I'm limited, because I can only trade 939 market items at a time. Since I've got 150k lying about, it doesn't seem right to suck more money out of you guys yet. ;-]
I've put 50 wood up, as well, though. I'd have done stone, but I seem to be using more of that...
Hmm... I'm not seeing any resources from you guys on the market. Did someone else beat me to it? :animesweat
Quote from: Tezkat on July 12, 2008, 10:02:37 AM
Hmm... I'm not seeing any resources from you guys on the market. Did someone else beat me to it? :animesweat
Maaaaayyyyybbbbeeeeeee >_>
But... but... I want my overpriced progression! :dface
S'ok, I can put another 50 up. ;-]
Quote from: llearch n'n'daCorna on July 12, 2008, 10:52:15 AM
S'ok, I can put another 50 up. ;-]
As have I. I want to test a theory I have, and donating 2 progression right now would be a perfect opporunity to test it.
Hey, send me some prog too http://galava.net/user?id=188
Put up your market offers :) Ill buy em
thanx!
Bought from both of you. :mowcookie By the way... there seems to be a bug that lets you send more than one foreign aid offer a week to the same person.
Not sure how it works, but I know that Laytper was able to send me another batch while his first one was still in transit. >:]
Quote from: Tezkat on July 12, 2008, 04:50:01 PM
Bought from both of you. :mowcookie By the way... there seems to be a bug that lets you send more than one foreign aid offer a week to the same person.
Not sure how it works, but I know that Laytper was able to send me another batch while his first one was still in transit. >:]
Our little secret? Also, take the progression so I can test my hypothesis and potentially get another gamey little trick.
Edit: Hypothesis proven invalid, university research point exploit not available.
Hmm... what were you trying?
When you drop below the prerequisite progression for a discovery/research/etc., you get to keep all your old tech but don't get any new ones when you cross the threshold a second time.
Does the foreign aid exploit work? I accepted your offer...
Quote from: Tezkat on July 12, 2008, 05:01:46 PMWhen you drop below the prerequisite progression for a discovery/research/etc., you get to keep all your old tech but don't get any new ones when you cross the threshold a second time.
That's what I was looking into.
Quote from: fisherman on July 12, 2008, 04:39:26 PM
Hey, send me some prog too http://galava.net/user?id=188
Do be do be do. ;-]
If this happens again next week, that'll be 6/week, yes? For me sending, I mean.
Edit:
Incidentally, the market cap is tied to progression as well. Anyone who has less than 20 progression points, I'd appreciate a few data points to put into the list - because I didn't realise this until after I'd reached there, and I kinda wanted to reach 25...
Quote from: llearch n'n'daCorna on July 12, 2008, 05:46:44 PM
Quote from: fisherman on July 12, 2008, 04:39:26 PM
Hey, send me some prog too http://galava.net/user?id=188
Do be do be do. ;-]
If this happens again next week, that'll be 6/week, yes? For me sending, I mean.
You should be able to send unlimited outgoing aid packages. So it's in your best interest to find as many customers as possible. >:]
QuoteEdit:
Incidentally, the market cap is tied to progression as well. Anyone who has less than 20 progression points, I'd appreciate a few data points to put into the list - because I didn't realise this until after I'd reached there, and I kinda wanted to reach 25...
Here's what I have for market cap data. I think Sandro may have changed the equations somewhere around when I hit 30 and 50. Also, I'm pretty sure some of it is off by a bit due to market offers expiring on me while I was prog jumping and such.
Progression - Moveable Resources2 - 238
3 - 395
4 - 566
5 - 748
5 - 748
6 - 939
7 - 1139
8 - 1345
9 - 1559
10 - 1778
11 - 2003
12 - 2233
13 - 2468
14 - 2708
15 - 2952
16 - 3200
17 - 3452
18 - 3708
19 - 3967
20 - 4229
21 - 4495
22 - 4765
23 - 5037
24 - 5312
25 - 5590
26 - 5871
27 - 6155
28 - 6441
29 - 6730
30 - ?
31 - 7015
32 - 7311
33 - 7609
34 - 7910
35 - 8213
36 - 8518
37 - 8825
38 - 9135
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40 - 9759
41 - 10075
42 - 10392
43 - 10711
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45 - 11355
46 - 11680
47 - 12006
48 - 12334
49 - 12664
50 - ?
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52 - 13964
53 - 14300
54 - 14638
55 - 14978
56 - 15319
57 - 15662
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There's a hard cap of 500k moveable resources, which you should hit somewhere around 910 progression.
Also, Sandro's going to rewrite the entire market system once he's doing fixing up our ability to pound each other senseless. So all this data will become obsolete. :animesweat
Oh, sure. I mean, I'm at 25 and I get 5540, so your numbers are inaccurate there. Nonetheless...
.. where would I look to organise buyers for progression points?
Heh.
I think land size - or trading capability - has some effect on market cap.
See, I built up to max roads at 188 land, took progression to 25, and had 5540. Added 75 land, maxed out structures, and low and behold, I have 5590 market cap.
We'll see if it increases when I bounce up land again.
No... it should be only progression that affects market cap.
Having active offers (either buying or selling) reduces your visible cap by the appropriate amount, of course.
I'm just reporting what I see, not what should be.
Ganurath, and, indeed, anyone else...
.. I'm setting up a prog sale on the galava forum. If you're up for being part of it, I can send more than the 1 aid/wk, which will assist with sales, as it were.
If you want in, say here, and I'll get in contact with you and organise how we organise this, and manage the sales on the forum; either that or however we end up organising it.
Being the front man for a group of 2 or 3 small prog sellers wouldn't hurt my image, though. ;-]
Edit:
Put up a bunch of 7 wood @ 10k for progression sales; be appreciated if you don't just go and suck em all down. ;-]
I'm now at a point where I can pull up a second province.
Any suggestions from our illustrious leaders?
Just pick anything you feel like. :U
food, food and more food. That stuff's more precious than Columbian crack in Canada. So I suggest getting a couple food-food provinces and then using the massive profits you get both from selling the food and HAVING the food, raise a massive army the likes of which cause the Galava servers to lag when someone checks them.
It's a end-game strategy that might just work.
Hmm. So something like Hills/Coastal?
I'd like a little variation, really. ;-]
Oh, well.
I note wood is up to around 15pu, and stone is around 30pu.
This is a heck of a lot more than it was last week; I presume that either Sandro or someone else is messing with things...
In the mean time; Tez, I thought you said you had a huge pile of stone lying about?
The Workshop was reworked, meaning that everybody had to rebuy their stuff and, at 1000 * lvl, it's not cheap... at least, not when you've got 100+ things to buy. It'll probably go back down because, at the moment, it's a one time cost.
ah. Explains muchly.
In other words, it's a short-term lunacy effect, and I should wait it out, rather than purchasing at the current prices. ;-]
/me shrugs
Peace mode anyway, so can cope with that. Out of interest, when does the third province kick in? I've been pondering making a food-stoner province, and then a food-wood one as the fourth... but at present, I don't see anything between 60 and 200 progression points.
Which means I should just grow like hell and see where we get to by the time I get there. And stockpile crap. ;-]
Well, it's only a one time cost
at the moment because the war system isn't up; however, it will be done "Over the next couple of days" and then the situation will change again... (edit: and then Sandro is going to overhaul the Market and presumably attempt to balance the economy... woo beta)
| Discovery | Requires | Description | Cost |
| New Military Unit | 10 | Allows the creation of a new military unit. | 100 |
| University | 25 | Provides ways to improve resource gathering. | 100 |
| Workshop | 50 | Provides siege units and defensive structures. | 500 |
| 2nd Province | 60 | Allows the creation of a new province. | 1,000 |
| New Military Unit | 200 | Allows the creation of a new military unit. | 10,000 |
| Arcanus | 200 | Where your strongest minds channel thair magic powers. | 50,000 |
| 3rd Province | 300 | Allows the creation of a new province. | 25,000 |
| Sanctum | 400 | Where valuable artifacts are held. | 5,000 |
| New Military Unit | 600 | Allows the creation of a new military unit. | 500,000 |
| 4th Province | 800 | Allows the creation of a new province. | 750,000 |
| New Military Unit | 1,200 | Allows the creation of a new military unit. | 1,000,000 |
| 5th Province | 1,400 | Allows the creation of a new province. | 2,500,000 |
Hmm. I get the idea that selling progression at 35k/level is only valid until you reach your third province or so. If that. ;-]
Thanks for that list, most useful.
35k per level is way too low. Progression starts to get expensive fairly quickly. I'm already at 6955 per point (market value: over 1.3 mil).
Here's a very rough estimate of what it costs to buy a point of progression at current market prices:
Progression - Market Cost in Gold
100 - 30k
200 - 100k
300 - 180k
400 - 260k
500 - 370k
600 - 480k
700 - 610k
800 - 740k
900 - 910k
1000 - 1.2 mil
1100 - 1.5 mil
Most of your customers will be very large empires that will even consider half a mil for two points a great deal. I'll buy some more from you guys in a bit. I just blew all my spare cash on troops and weapons.
In other news... the war system is finally online. Anyone wanna play? >:]
I'm fairly sure we could get an MDoAP-level treaty out of the West Side Thug Unit, if you guys are interested. (fisherman even wrote up a sample treaty. It started: "We da thugs and da DMFA agree to stay off the others turf and help if you being hated on..." :animesweat) They've been somewhat reticent to sign anything more than a simple ODP up until this point, but that's mostly because they don't want to get involved with stupid wars their allies start. That's kinda how we were starting out, so we agreed on that point.
We would need to decide on a flag... and maybe a name. The latter would of course help with flag design. (For instance, "Deadly Muffins For All" or variants on that theme could feature a coat of arms with some kind of evil muffin of doom. :doommuffin) Or we could be lazy and use one of the old ones.
Interesting. The forum had sellers at 20k (Hix, now no longer selling), 35k, and 70k gold per point.
I presume you're looking at 30k for ~10k gold, ~130 food/stone/wood? At what rate for each are you calculating that? (since it behooves me to pay attention to how much it costs for me, and all. Noting that the market is currently _way_ different to normal, and that the workshop stuff has screwed stone out of all recognition, etc etc...)
I'm using Wood @ 15 PPU, Stone @ 25 PPU, Food @ 100 PPU, adding in the gold cost, and then just rounding to the nearest 10k gold or so. I'm also using my old data for progression prices sub-400, since I don't have the updated prices yet. It's obviously not super precise, especially with the market in such a state of flux, but it should give you the correct order of magnitude. Honestly, there isn't really a "normal" state for the market. Sandro makes significant game changes every couple of weeks that have a huge impact on the economy. I remember when food was selling for half the price of stone...
At one point, Laytper (the original high profile prog seller) was offering his points at two different prices (270k and 350k for 2 progression), depending on customers' ability/willingness to pay. A lot of the larger empires happily paid (even demanded to pay) the higher price, because it was still such a good deal for them. He had maybe 60 mil in the bank before switching over to the GOONS. Then more small empires got into the business and started undercutting him. The going rate dropped.
But people still bought from him. Once you have a customer base, many of them will stay with you as you grow, especially if you develop a reputation for reliable service and prompt delivery. You don't want to have to decide between growth and business. They'll understand changing prices to reflect the market situation and your own increasing costs. And having a smaller number of regular customers is much better than trying to fight all the newbies for prog trades.
Think of it this way. Since your cost of goods sold eats into your profits very quickly, you'll only be able to support 35k/level up to 100 or so progression. With smaller and smaller profit margins. Besides, which would you say is better: 1 regular customer at 200k profit, or 20 customers at 10k profit?
Tough call, actually. :-/
I may put my prices up, though, since I went and looked up the actual prices and added some fields to my spreadsheet, and got something on the order of 15k current cost. Wood@10, stone@25, food@96, which was the prices on the market when I looked. Using your numbers makes it about 16k. Either way, it makes 35k downright miserly.
I'll mull it over, and look at bumping my prices to make it 70k/level. That makes me 50k profit, even with the costs.
Bah!
Tez, you cheat! You're supposed to buy the overpriced stuff! ;-]
You didn't have any overpriced stuff for sale... :mowtongue
You didn't ask...
Heh. Since when is it my responsibility to see your empire get twinked out? :mowtongue
Anyways, I bought you out. I'm being attacked by a larger enemy, so I may donate my monies to worthier causes than the guy pillaging my villages. :animesweat
I'd strongly recommend that anyone still in war mode queue up max military or go hippie. It's a free for all out there! >:]
How much did you want me to set up?
*adds another two and a half million worth*
That's fine for now. Though it could be a good idea for everyone to put up a mil or three of offers incase I need to hide anymore monies.
Tezkat nominates llearch to be his new offshore guild bank. :mowcookie
Seriously, though... a lot of you war mode guys are on the seriously squishy side. I almost want to raid you myself. >:]
k, I'll put up a set of 6 long-term 500k offers. And keep them there, for the moment.
Heh... You're gonna get rich off of me. I'm losing about 4 mil worth of stuff per attack now. :dface
Free monies for all! :mowcookie
richer. ;-]
More protective money store up now.
Incidentally, so far you've spent some 6 million on me. Said money is mostly still sitting there, and will probably be mostly available for return if you need it.
As long as you don't take too long. ;-]
I'll probably dump some more monies on you soon, as I'm selling off my huge stone reserves now.
:mowcookie
Since nobody else has been particularly vocal either way, I'm going to go ahead with treaty negotiations with the West Side Thug Unit. Most likely MDP or higher.
Just so you know what we're getting ourselves into...
The Thugz are currently among the most active raiders in the game. Due to their rather prescient decision to amass enormous armies before the war system went live, there isn't a whole lot other guilds can do about it except ask them nicely to lay off. Such conditions may not exist after the reset, as they aren't particularly numerous.
They're friendly with the DraGOONS and will probably announce a treaty in the near future. They also have good relations and an ODP with the Knights of New Galava, a small guild like ours.
In short, we'll be aligning ourselves with the crazy warmonger bloc. >:]
:kittydevious
Stuff I'm learning about the war system...
Troop count is king. Whoever starts with more troops will win.
Stick with one type of unit (magic, melee, or ranged). It's really not worth it to explore multiple weapon trees. You can only give each weapon/armour to one unit, however, so your first unit gets the best weapon, the second the second best, and so on. Nonetheless, it's a good idea to have all of your units active and of the same type, so that you can build them more quickly. Rotate your armoury upgrades among them when you get new toys.
Structure damage spells suck. Total waste of mana.
Rams and cannons can do considerable wall damage. However, it's probably best to use siege towers and forget about walls.
You can only select 2 types of defensive workshop units per war, and then only after the war has been declared. So there's a fairly strong first strike advantage if one is attacked while offline. I'd recommend barriers and trenches.
Buy/queue up all your workshop units before upgrading them. Price is Level x 1000, and upgrading is free.
You can only send 4 attacks at a time. These refresh after the troops arrive, not after they get back.
You gain (or lose :3) a max of 25 allegiance per attack. It seems to depend on how decisive the victory was.
Progression costs after 1200 spiral upwards exponentially (seriously... I'm talking 100k+ resources and millions of gold per point--you basically have to plunder or trade for it at that point), so the top players are currently raiding everyone in range.
Raiding is currently more profitable than exploration.
Troop count is king. I'd suggest one troop per land as a bare minimum for anyone in war mode, and arbitrarily large militaries for those above 500 or so progression. You probably won't be able to hold off an attacker twice your size, but you will at least be lower on the target list. Troops are relatively inexpensive now. It's probably a good idea to make troop building your priority and use the leftover food/gold for exploration, etc.
Random updates...
Darkdragon's empire got rolled. My first province is about to fall.
The troop creation time was recently reduced from 1 minute/troop to 15 seconds/troop. If you have any troops queued up, buy a few more to reset the rate.
I also had to be attacked on the same day which the router broke (which I managed to get fixed). Must be my bad luck.
*whistles innocently from hippy mode*
The bank is still open; withdrawals available upon request. ;-]
Quote from: Darkdragon on July 26, 2008, 10:57:34 AM
I also had to be attacked on the same day which the router broke (which I managed to get fixed). Must be my bad luck.
If you have any info that could be useful to us about defeated provinces, please post!
e.g. How long are your provinces under protection after being plundered? Are you allowed to enter peace mode? Did anything interesting happen that didn't show up in the public war reports (e.g. workshop losses don't show up)? And so on...
There were no workshop losses because I wasn't online to set which workshop upgrades to use.
I seem to be under protection from being attacked. Since the last attack was almost 20 hours ago, I can say it is at least that long.
All active building and training queues would be terminated when your province is fallen or plundered. If your attacker was a nice guy (mine was to a degree; he didn't plunder the first province) they would choose to move on to the next province without taking resources.
Is there anything which I can help answer?
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Is 30,000 troops enough?
Hmm... I'd say 30k troops is about a lower limit. Most would have to be in the outer province. Basically, you're in range of almost all the top empires, who all have 100k+ troops and are now gaining 70k+ troops a day. To defeat a province, you basically need to bring a province down to the point that you can hit them with 4 decisive strikes (sending at least as many troops that you have) and get to max allegiance all at once. They'll hit a 30k province once they run out of easier targets, but very few will be able to demolish it in a few hours, giving you a chance to rebuild if you're online often enough. (Some (http://galava.net/user?id=223) have ridiculous troop counts due to bugs and such, though.)
I think using the "ignore and move on" (as opposed to plundering or occupying) protects a province for 24 hours. At any rate, your first province is already out of protection. When the second one goes green, people will be able to declare on you again. Might be a good idea to go hippie mode for a day or so until you get your military built up.
If you have the funds, I'd just keep building troops and not stop. It'll actually pay for itself eventually, since raiding is quite profitable... and being raided is rather expensive. :animesweat
I actually happen to be short gold right now :animesweat
I have a healthy amount of food at the moment, and would like to ask what formula do you use to determine the tax rate (i.e. I would like to know the fine line where you need to change rates to be more profitable). And if Tezkat won't mind, use some of his surplus gold to jump the amount of troops I have.
After all, you did say you can never have too much troops.
A simple test is to add up the gold and market value of resources produced at 10% and 20%. Whichever gives you more is the tax rate you want to use. Given the current price of food, it's almost certainly going to be better at 10%.
You can use my monies if you want. Put up resources for llearch to buy.
Incidentally, it looks like the beta will last until at least September--probably later--in case peeps are still holding off joining the fun... :3
I think the Admin changed the speed of creating troops, and might be related to population; I have one province slightly smaller and, despite being the first province to have started troop creation, is behind the other two provinces. Either way, it would take 4 days for me to finish. Guess I'll be in hippy mode until then...
Looks like it's 30 seconds per unit.
I also read somewhere that Peace Mode slows training speed... but I dunno :B
There is mention in one of the admin updates that the speed has been changed, and to add one more troop to reset the timer.
So if you add one more troop to the smaller province, it may speed up...
Admin changed it from 15 seconds to 30 seconds per unit last night. If you still have anything queued up at the faster rate, best leave it alone till it's done. I wish I'd queued up a bunch more while it was still super fast. My opponent probably has a few days of troops left to go at the speedy rate. :dface
I've seen anecdotal reports of hippie mode affecting speed. Anyone care to test it?
I have joined!
And I am extremely confused.
I read the newbie guide and am getting as much land as I can, but I'm losing gold and such, and I'm not entirely sure what I should be doing... >:
You should be getting Tez to help out. Or me, with Tez's money...
Basically: for the first little while, money is scarce, and hard to get. Having big friends who can flick you large wodges of cash for trivial amounts of resources is useful, since it gets you over the hump and up to the point where it becomes profitable; it can also help you reach greater profitability faster.
In my case, I'm pulling down something like 60k gold, 3k food, and 1k each wood and stone, per day. Once you get some farms, mines, and mills in, then you start making a profit.
Further advice is possible; mainly, find some resources, and put them up at 100k each; if you've joined our guild, one of the big guys will buy you out from petty cash, and you can then take the money and build yourself up.
If it helps, I have a fairly large spreadsheet full of info that I've picked up over the time, and Tezkat linked a land calculator which I found useful...
Edit:
The guild is here: http://galava.net/guild?id=285
I put a quick guide together. Uh... it's mostly cut and paste stuff, so it's not terribly pretty yet. But it should help a little. :mowcookie
Basically, concentrate on getting your resource buildings up and running. Then build up all the other stuff.
Hay guyz, does anybody want to be a guild mod?
Mods just approve membership. Judging from the Mod Panel, I think you might be able to set/remove bans but, afaik, only the admin can actively kick people out.
We have two already, isn't that enough?
Yeah, two is fine... but since it's never actually been discussed before, I thought I'd ask.
Given that we're a micro guild with a membership drawn from this forum, mod status doesn't really matter that much.
Also, I just got a form letter from
TRI asking if we'd be interested in a merger or protectorate.
Quote from: Tezkat on July 26, 2008, 11:43:19 PM
You can use my monies if you want. Put up resources for llearch to buy.
Just FYI, your account was just debited 2.5m to Illizad... ;-]
My provinces are now out of protection. Since I was plundered 3 days, 17 hours and 50 minutes ago, we can cap that as a maximum value for duration of protection.
Onwards to testing the hypothesis if being in peace mode would slow down troop production!
EDIT: Peace Mode does not slow troop production
I'm attacked by someone from TRI. I'm mildly annoyed at this so I stuck all my resources in the market and storehouse and is going to send a majority of my troops off to war elsewhere.
I've agreed to an ODP with the Thugz to start us off, with possible upgrades pending. We're not planning to announce it publicly just yet though. Aside from mutual non-aggression, it doesn't actually require action on either's part, but we could ask them for assistance, if required.
Have you been in contact with your attacker? He seems to be putting in a fairly lackluster effort for a prog raid...
No, I just assumed he hasn't logged on. Since it's been about a day I think I can offer peace and contact; I just know he's one of the mods in TRI. Reminds me of the treaty offer Kasarn got a little while back...
Not that I know what to say to the guy...
EDIT: Since I had not much to do, I have finished a draft version using fancy language and is in the phase of adding humour. If there is any desire to see this draft, please say so.
It wasn't an offer, it was a form letter. Actually, it wasn't even a form letter because it wasn't personalised. It was just an ad from TRI's recruiting department.
How do you steal progression anyway? I haven't seen it done, but then, I haven't looked. If it's anything like LW, you probably can't steal it from an empire with half your progression level.
Can't hurt to try. The best defense against raiders is to make it difficult to raid you. They want to be in and out as quickly as possible, otherwise you're just using up a war slot they could be allocating to easier prey. On the other hand, the big players are getting desperately short of targets to prog raid, and prog rapidly becomes unaffordable for them, so he might want to duke it out anyway. We could ask our new allies for help, if it becomes a problem we can't solve on our own.
You raid prog by plundering it. You have to defeat a province by getting 100 allegiance. You also get a few points if you occupy a province. For picking on smaller targets half your size, you usually only get prog for the last plunder/occupation. I got a whole 2 points for the last empire I rolled.
Check my war history for an idea of how it's done...
If you did get 2 prog, then the progression stolen doesn't show in the War History. I guess because it only counts attacks and not when a province is defeated.
I think I've a record of around 15 progression stolen. I've gotten some on the first province I've plundered before. Perhaps there exists a relation?
True, plundering doesn't show up in the war history. It's just what you do when you defeat a province. But the war history gives you an idea of how to defeat him in the first place. >:]
I got 0-3-2 of of this most recent guy, 0-2 off the last one, and 0-0-6 off the first one (though that ended in occupation rather than plunder). I've yet to get any prog off of an outer province. I figure it might have something to do with how many provinces you've crossed in the war and/or how recently they've been plundered by other players. Size might matter too. A number of people have reported 4-6 prog per province when fighting people close to their size.
EDIT:
By the way, Darkdragon... you do know that defeating a province wipes out all the troops and queues present there, right? If you want to save them for another day, you'll need to move them inside your empire rather than sending them off to battle. On the other hand, you might be able to hold off for a while if you keep sending your troops off and forcing him to deploy massive armies to try to defeat you. War is all about allegiance management. You can't defeat a defended province without being online several times a day to send multiple waves before the allegiance damage recovers.
I'll keep that in mind, but at the moment this guy is sending 200,000 troops in one wave, and at most the guy can get is 25 allegiance. I'll just have to monitor the situation until the damage starts to drop. BTW, if you are in the middle of sending troops to another province, and are attacked, which province does the in transit troops count?
As a record, I have gotten 5 progression on the second province. I decided to pity the guy and not steal anything from his final one.
Oh, I also remember reading on the forum about someone complaining about not getting enough resources from their victim, and the admin replied: "Steal more progression" or something along the lines. Anyone care to test this out?
Quote from: Darkdragon on August 02, 2008, 03:32:31 AM
BTW, if you are in the middle of sending troops to another province, and are attacked, which province does the in transit troops count?
Neither. Troops that are attacking or in transit are out of the system as far as defending troop counts go. With respect to being wiped out by province defeat, they belong to the destination province. So if defeat is imminent, evac them to another province any time before his troops hit.
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Oh, I also remember reading on the forum about someone complaining about not getting enough resources from their victim, and the admin replied: "Steal more progression" or something along the lines. Anyone care to test this out?
Hasn't been implemented yet. It was just a suggestion, and he's on vacation right now.
Hows it going over here?
Fine, thank you. I've taken your suggestion very well in mind.
As of right now, Tezkat is guild admin. I've been putting it off for a while because there's been no real call to resign, but I figure he's way more interested in this than I am. :V
woot!
All hail our new overlord!
o/ Tezkat!
ZOMG... I've seized control of the government... in my sleep! :dface
:kittydevious
Incidentally, Tez, just how many people buy 300000 units of wood at a time?
Probably nobody (although you could go through that much pretty quickly building siege toys)... :animesweat
That's up there because I've been keeping track of movable resources as a function of progression. There's a cap of 500k resources per transaction, but it turns out that the total amount of movable resources keeps rising after 910 prog. So I need to stick a bunch on the market to get my remaining cap under 500k.
heh.
Did you want me to update the spreadsheet I'm keeping for you? Or are you pretty sorted for those details?
...Alright, what's the deal with the tanking price of food?
Quote from: Ganurath on August 12, 2008, 11:51:09 PM
...Alright, what's the deal with the tanking price of food?
many people are starting to realise how valuable food is and they are causing the supply to out-pace the demand resulting in an over-all shrinkage in food prices.
I'm of the mind that the economy is now lacking gold; with the recent change in attack range is causing people to pelt at other people with substantial armies, causing larger loss and a greater need to create troops. Since for the most part troops are gold-heavy (id est cost a lot more gold than food), people are now selling food, of which they have a surplus of because consumption of gold outpace it, to obtain more gold.
Quotehttp://galava.net/index_main.php?readmore=33
As a temporary nudge to the wood/stone problem, I've lowered the cost of food per land and raised the wood/stone for structures. This is NOT A PERMANENT SOLUTION. I haven't even begun reworking finances yet. This is just meant to keep wood/stone from scrapping the 1 ppu mark too much until I have a chance to sit down and recalculate the entire financial system.
Yup. It's most likely a gold thing, precipitated mainly by the new exploration costs. Think of it this way...
I have a fairly food-heavy empire, and I produce ~25 gold for every 1 food.
Progression costs me 50 gold for every food.
Troops cost me ~50 gold for every food. (It's less for smaller empires, but the big ones are buying disproportionately more troops.)
Land now costs me ~21 gold for every food (up from ~15).
It used to be that I could buy prog, then buy land to fill the new prog, and that would more or less even out to what I was making. Now, gold is a bottleneck for everyone the way food used to be (and still is relative to other resources). So the price of food will keep declining until Sandro does something to inject more gold into the system.
On the good side, it's becoming increasingly worthwhile to build houses/roads, which I consider to be a plus. If you haven't been building them, now's a good time to start, especially with the prices of wood/stone still in the gutter.
If you have any food stockpiles (heh... does
anyone have food stockpiles?), I'd sell now before the price drops much further. :dface
Quote from: llearch n'n'daCorna on August 10, 2008, 06:35:48 PM
heh.
Did you want me to update the spreadsheet I'm keeping for you? Or are you pretty sorted for those details?
I'm still missing a lot of data from the sub 400 prog range. Been a little discouraged about data collection recently, though, since Sandro's been making sweeping changes that render huge swathes of my old data obsolete...
:kittydepressed
By the way... I sent some spaiz to you, Kasarn. They were successful. Did you receive any kind of notice at all?
I have a little food stockpile, but I tend to use most of what I have.
And, of course, I tend to chew up the wood and stone a lot, too.
I should calculate out those numbers for me, too...
I *did* have a food stockpile but then sold it for 7.8 mil a few days back.
As for troop production, it's far easier to keep the ball rolling than starting it. What I mean is, once you have a healthy amount of troops in line, you can just add 720 troops per type per province per collection made after collecting. At my size I still turn a surplus in gold alone over 160k, and should be no problem.
Heh... I've actually stopped building troops for a bit, at least until I hit 1400 prog. It now costs me up to 12 mil just to upgrade a unit when a new armoury toy comes in. :dface
Our guild has one of the highest units/member counts around, which is kinda cool, especially now that unit counts per empire are sekrit. >:]
I'd assist, but I'm a hippie. I have one of each per province, just because I like to play with toys, but that's it.
Incidentally, I just hit my third province. I'm thinking possibly swamp/plains or forest/coastal or something.
Any comments?
You're not going food/food because...? It's not like Sandro is gonna fix the economy anytime soon. :mowtongue
... mostly because the major limitation on how fast I can grow at present is wood and stone.
And exploration time. And build time.
And I've already got plains/coastal and hills/coastal. Isn't five of six enough?
Oh, and your guide is missing that link to the calculator.
Um... wood and stone cost nothing to buy on the market. Sell 1 food, get 10 wood and stone back...
Plus food provinces give you more gold from commerce.
Which calculator are you talking about?
http://thesinkhole.net/games/galava/galavaland.html
That one.
And you have a point. It seems a bit boring to have a country that is all plains, hills, and coasts, though. ;-]
Well... you could always make a food province, grow really fast, and then do some landscaping to mix things up once Sandro installs a province reset. Best of both worlds...
Heh.
I just spent 3 million of your change in the bank to purchase.. er... 2000 units of plains and hills. Should take two days to explore, by which time I might have the food lying about to explore the other 2000...
do be do be do...
Er. Don't go making a full withdrawal immediately, or the bank will go bust... ;-]
Quote from: Tezkat on August 14, 2008, 10:55:28 AM
By the way... I sent some spaiz to you, Kasarn. They were successful. Did you receive any kind of notice at all?
Nope... but then, they were successful.
I made a deposit of 2 million to you llreach - mainly just to hide resources from attackers.
Incidentally, how much progression would that buy?
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Are we to use "Deadly Muffins For All" as a guild name? I've written a dry draft version of the ODP in my spare time the other day and can be found here (http://docs.google.com/Doc?id=ddmdvb27_3g7bw2kfx).
I'm also in for improving political relationships with other guilds to improve upon neutrality. Although it might drastically reduce the number of potential raid targets (which doesn't actually seem to be a problem since we lack an active raiding history). Any comments, suggestions etc.?
Paint <3
(http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m51/morumage/dmfa.jpg)
Just an update on the front, even 150k troops is not enough to deter a fight at levels so consider staying in peace mode or build troops. And I mean a lot of them.
With that said, I think I'll stick to being in peace mode and build troops until the penalty gets turned back on. However before I do that I'd have to end the two wars. One guy returned and said "Sorry, I do not negotiate" and the other one ignored my request. *sigh*
Quote from: Darkdragon on August 14, 2008, 10:45:33 PM
Incidentally, how much progression would that buy?
8. Did you want me to put you down for that, rather than putting it back in the bank?
That would depend if the second guy has a change of heart.
It seems I was attacked. Time to begin all sorts of violence.
*pumps out Unholy Priests and Sinister Succubi*
So... I'm being gangbanged by DraGOONS today...
I went to have a chat with our allies the Thugz, and they thought it could be a fantastic excuse for a gigantic rumble. KONG apparently wants to come too. >:]
All we gotta do is declare war on the GOONS. Lulz. :kittydevious
Anyone up for it? It's basically me and Kasarn, I guess... Either way, we'd have to move fairly fast. Before I... ya know... get squashed into oblivion. :animesweat
Did we decide on a name yet?
Oh, and llearch... I might need a few more banking service packages. :mowcookie
There's more up. How much did you want? I can make you a big pack...
I'm afraid I'm not up for it, since I was wiped out being attacked by an overwhelmingly superior force.
Quote from: llearch n'n'daCorna on August 18, 2008, 02:25:09 PM
There's more up. How much did you want? I can make you a big pack...
Probably gonna need more. I make nearly 6 million gold a collection. Maybe a bunch of different sizes?
Like that?
Um... Heh.... 60 mil is a bit excessive (unless I somehow land a successful attack on my enemies--yeah, right). Maybe a bunch of 3 or 4 mils to go along with the 500k's. I seriously doubt I'll have more than 20 mil to dump at one time... especially after they start occupying my provinces.
Heh. Picky, picky...
That about what you were after, then?
Excellent, thank you.
Although... that scenario that considered me actually landing an attack? I decided to go kamikaze on him and send most of my army on a crazy suicide run. If he's carrying a lot of cash, it could be interesting if I win. I'll know in 4 hours... >:]
Quote from: llearch n'n'daCorna on August 15, 2008, 06:21:00 AM
Quote from: Darkdragon on August 14, 2008, 10:45:33 PM
Incidentally, how much progression would that buy?
8. Did you want me to put you down for that, rather than putting it back in the bank?
Let's put it back since the war ended with only a loss of only 2 progression. I'm in the midst of rebuilding the some 1,000 structures they destroyed.
Quote from: Tezkat on August 18, 2008, 01:43:58 PM
Did we decide on a name yet?
I vote for "Deadly Muffins For All".
Deadly Melted Food Allergies ?
Thanks for the banking services, llearch. Please can I have some more? :mowcookie
(A whole bunch more like the ones you put up would be fine.)
Quote from: Ganurath on August 19, 2008, 04:16:20 AM
Don't Mind Fried Allies?
Heh... somehow that's very
us... but it doesn't quite have the ring to it. :animesweat
Quote from: Tezkat on August 19, 2008, 06:30:27 PM
Thanks for the banking services, llearch. Please can I have some more? :mowcookie
(A whole bunch more like the ones you put up would be fine.)
.. There's still a bunch there, how many did you want?
Well... This has been a very active war, with millions in loot passed around on each attack. I get about 4 mil every time I loot Udelar, and I'm gonna have about 30 mil when I collect which I probably won't be able to spend all of. So... lots? :3
The smaller ones are very helpful, too. I use them in between attacks so they loot less from me.
Thanks. :mowcookie
EDIT: Yeah, that's good. More of the big packages, please. Maybe another 10 or so of them?
Done.
I'll try to keep 10 or so big, and 10 or so small floating about, then.
Well... my wars are over. I totally pwned sauceninja (http://galava.net/war?history=6082) and brokered peace with Udelar (http://galava.net/war?history=6066) by agreeing not to plunder his province. All in all, I think I came out ahead.
:kittydevious
I'll be hiding in hippie mode for a few days while I rebuild my armies. :3
How much gold did I end up dumping on you anyway, llearch? I sorta lost count in all the chaos... :animesweat
Currently your account reads at 46.5 million. ;-]
... I'm short half a million of that in loose change, though.
Heh. Nice. Feel free to spend it if you need to. I'll probably only need withdrawals in case of something really big like spending a hundred mil resetting my armory.
I'll need more banking services, though. I'm being raided again (http://galava.net/war?history=6472). :dface
Sigh. :kittydepressed
Heh... would anyone like to take over as bank will llearch is away? I need to hide about 18 million ASAP.
Actually, it's free money. Go ahead and spend it on upgrades before the financial update wipes out everyone's savings.
:mowcookie
Eh, I'll do it. It's not like I'm going to leave peace mode for the moment.
Oh, I already did it. Tez pinged me in game... in hindsight, maybe he should've pinged everybody in a single conversation.
You can have it if you want. 18m isn't exactly a lot to me :P
So... Thugz and KONG are currently at war with most of Galava (Nordreich, KoT, TRI, and FOK). They're doing pretty well considering that they're outnumbered nearly 10 to 1, with the difference in coordination, combat experience, and troop concentrations compensating for lack of numbers.
Shall we assist our allies? Our top 3 at least have enough firepower to do a bit of damage, despite my losing half a million troops in my recent fight with Strom. Do you guys have optimized troops? Workshop items ready?
Also, in case you haven't heard, there's going to be a finances wipe Sometime Soon Now. All gold, resources, and queues will be deleted. So if you're sitting on a stockpile of something, spend it while you still have a chance.
By the way, how many of you have IRC access?
I don't.
I don't use IRC because I'm schizo and don't like talking to people. :U
Besides which, my bandwidth is being happily chewed up by my "end of the billing month" download spree... but that's not really important.
S3kr1t d0x on the military of Seerfir:
As of right now, my workshop is all level 5
30 Rams | 80(+20) Siege Towers | 30 Cannons | 90(+10) Trenches | 80(+20) Tar | 18 Unspent
I have pure Ranged and have the four best weapons and what I assume are the third to fifth best armour.
Until right now, I've only been training my two better units, so I have 250k and 190k of them and only a handful of the other two :B
Quote from: Darkdragon on September 03, 2008, 07:48:39 PM
I don't.
Um... it does help if you indicate which question you're replying to...
Quote from: Kasarn on September 03, 2008, 08:14:10 PM
I don't use IRC because I'm schizo and don't like talking to people. :U
Heh. Fair enough. I'm not a big fan of realtime chat, either. :B But it's terribly helpful for war coordination, especially in a game like Galava where attacks are timed to the minute.
QuoteS3kr1t d0x on the military of Seerfir:
As of right now, my workshop is all level 5
30 Rams | 80(+20) Siege Towers | 30 Cannons | 90(+10) Trenches | 80(+20) Tar | 18 Unspent
I have pure Ranged and have the four best weapons and what I assume are the third to fifth best armour.
Until right now, I've only been training my two better units, so I have 250k and 190k of them and only a handful of the other two :B
Sounds good. Siege Towers are the strongest offensive weapon. Trenches/Tar are the best defense. I have Outposts/Barriers as my default defensive unit (great for warning and slowing down attacks), but I switch to Trenches/Tar before attacks land.
In full out war, you do need to train all unit types, unfortunately, simply because you need to keep your troop levels up, and you can only make 1920 troops per unit per province.
KoS sorta kinda declared war on the Thugz, too... I think. :dface Yay bandwagon!
I'm stuck in peace mode. It's a rather nasty negative feedback system - the longer I stay in peace mode the higher the "I think its too expensive to attack you threshold". I have x troops at my disposal, which have the best stuff I have (ie, not that great) to all four troop types, produce them all equally to maximize troop production, is almost two times over the troop penalty cap (give or take two thousand), is in the process of build up province #4.
22 Towers
23 Cannons
69 Trench
69 Barrier
And I don't have access to IRC. I'm sorry for not specifying, in hindsight it was rather silly. :rolleyes
Quote from: Tezkat on August 29, 2008, 12:03:21 AM
Heh... would anyone like to take over as bank will llearch is away? I need to hide about 18 million ASAP.
Actually, it's free money. Go ahead and spend it on upgrades before the financial update wipes out everyone's savings.
I'm back now.
I should probably spend that 46 million, then. :-/
Quote from: llearch n'n'daCorna on September 03, 2008, 09:50:29 PM
Quote from: Tezkat on August 29, 2008, 12:03:21 AM
Heh... would anyone like to take over as bank will llearch is away? I need to hide about 18 million ASAP.
Actually, it's free money. Go ahead and spend it on upgrades before the financial update wipes out everyone's savings.
I'm back now.
I should probably spend that 46 million, then. :-/
You can send me some if you want. I'm burning cash with land exploration on my new province. >:3
Heh. Likewise. Mostly through chewing up progression....
Yo, a couple things. http://wiki.galava.net/wiki/index.php/Super_Bowl_XI is the war. I'd love for you guys to join us, pretty much for the hell of it. We have a good handle on things. One thing though, Prussia said they would declare war on anyone who joins in the war on our side. So if you guys want to join in, it'd probably be a better idea to just say we join the war on the thugz side and wait for someone to attack you. Thats all :)
I defer this issue to Tezkat. Although I probably won't do anything until after the Internet gets fixed in the classrooms on Sept. 12th.
PS: what's with the name of the war?
Bleh. I've been a bit busy this weekend. I'll try to get a war guide posted soon.
I've been trying to redo my trades to get some crazy combat mana regen, but it's nearly impossible to find Blood Ice trades these days. :< Tundra is quite valuable after all. Who knew?
Quote from: Darkdragon on September 06, 2008, 04:59:49 AM
I defer this issue to Tezkat. Although I probably won't do anything until after the Internet gets fixed in the classrooms on Sept. 12th.
Hmm... that would drop our active fighter count to two. Is that even worth an official DoW? Maybe we could pull a KoS and claim we're "raid figging" from the Thugz. >:]
Our top 3 are the only ones with enough troops to fight at the moment. Everyone else will probably have to go hippy for the duration of the war to avoid actually giving the enemies' smaller empires someone to hit. I can feed you guys monies to offset peace mode penalties. I'm not really spending it at this point. Heck, I need to get rid of it all before the financial reset.
In any event, 24/7 troops queues are a must for anyone planning on fighting.
QuotePS: what's with the name of the war?
Nordreich declared war on the Thugz for constantly raiding them. Hence, Superbowl XI: Raiders vs Vikings. For historical accuracy, the Raiders won that one. :3
Quote from: fisherman on September 06, 2008, 03:41:13 AM
Yo, a couple things. http://wiki.galava.net/wiki/index.php/Super_Bowl_XI is the war. I'd love for you guys to join us, pretty much for the hell of it. We have a good handle on things. One thing though, Prussia said they would declare war on anyone who joins in the war on our side. So if you guys want to join in, it'd probably be a better idea to just say we join the war on the thugz side and wait for someone to attack you. Thats all :)
Heh. Each of our fighters has roughtly half their entire guild's troop count. Our combat force is basically three upper prog empires with nearly half a million troops each. Since you guys already have the heavies engaged, we might be waiting a while for people to attack us. :animesweat
I find Prussia's involvement funny in general. For those of you who didn't make the connection... Prussia's leader is Dark Lunatic K. We know him better as the twice deposed leader of Blitzkrieg in CN. Our first major war in that game involved beating the crap out of his alliance.
Quote from: Tezkat on September 06, 2008, 03:52:05 PM
Our top 3 are the only ones with enough troops to fight at the moment. Everyone else will probably have to go hippy for the duration of the war to avoid actually giving the enemies' smaller empires someone to hit. I can feed you guys monies to offset peace mode penalties. I'm not really spending it at this point. Heck, I need to get rid of it all before the financial reset.
Heh. I've been burning through a fair amount myself; of the 46 million you had stored, I've got 28 left. And I expect to burn through a large swatch of that in the next week; if not all.
The major limitation is how long it takes to explore land...
Quote from: Tezkat on September 06, 2008, 03:52:05 PM
Hmm... that would drop our active fighter count to two. Is that even worth an official DoW? Maybe we could pull a KoS and claim we're "raid figging" from the Thugz. >:]
Excuse me, but what's "raid figging"?
Quote from: llearch n'n'daCorna on September 06, 2008, 04:27:46 PM
The major limitation is how long it takes to explore land...
I completely agree. I have it backlogged 6 days in advance and I'm still short food and gold. Feel free to send stuff if nobody else wants it. 25% peace penalty hurts quite some. :<
Quote from: Tezkat on September 06, 2008, 03:52:05 PM
I find Prussia's involvement funny in general. For those of you who didn't make the connection... Prussia's leader is Dark Lunatic K. We know him better as the twice deposed leader of Blitzkrieg in CN. Our first major war in that game involved beating the crap out of his alliance.
Blitz is up and kicking
again? When will this guy learn? :erk
Quote from: Darkdragon on September 06, 2008, 05:07:18 PM
I completely agree. I have it backlogged 6 days in advance and I'm still short food and gold. Feel free to send stuff if nobody else wants it. 25% peace penalty hurts quite some. :<
Heh. Set up a sale and I'm sure Tez will pass some across.
After all, if he's going into battle, he needs to strip out some spare cash. And if the resources are going to be zeroed in the near future, we might as well use it to grow.
I hadn't really noticed the penalty, myself. Sure, it takes a large stack off the top, but seriously, I'm growing so fast anyway...
By "backlogged six days in advance" do you mean you have 6 days worth of land being explored? Cause that's a heck of a lot. I've got some 30 hours at most, and I'm pulling down eight hundred miles on that - 200 on one side and 600 on the other, to even out the mileage - and that's the worst; the other two provinces are looking at 13h/26h and 20h/20h... and that took out near on 300k of food, and about 7 million of gold to progress/explore.
If you've got 6 days, that's one heck of a lot of land. The only time I've reached that sort of level is when getting a new province...
Yeah. Just post how much you need. I make like 10 million a collection--way more than I could ever spend on land or troops. I've got nothing to spend it on but progression. And maybe bidding up artifact prices. :3
Basically, you can only store resources in three things now: progression, land/buildings, and troops. The latter are more or less fixed daily expenses, so most of it has to go into prog. You can at least try to maximize parallel land exploration.
Quote from: Darkdragon on September 06, 2008, 05:07:18 PM
Excuse me, but what's "raid figging"?
An attempt to get around the profanity filter? >:] Basically, Svalbard didn't officially declare war on the Thugz. They merely announced that they would steal raids from the other side of the conflict.
Do any of you really not want to fight? I don't want to force war on anyone, although I think it would be good experience. I could just as easily go rogue for the duration of the conflict to help out.
Quote from: techmaster-glitch on September 06, 2008, 05:37:09 PM
Blitz is up and kicking again? When will this guy learn? :erk
Naw... DLK left CN to ruin an alliance for a whole new game worth of hapless victims. >:]
By the way, does anyone have Blood Ice and a trading partner that they like less than me? >:] I've got tons of... um... well... actually, I'm pretty much all Elderberry, Nightshade, and Seaweed right now. Got an Iron Wood left, too.
Mana regen, it turns out, is really good...
Quote from: Tezkat on September 06, 2008, 06:12:46 PM
Yeah. Just post how much you need. I make like 10 million a collection--way more than I could ever spend on land or troops. I've got nothing to spend it on but progression. And maybe bidding up artifact prices. :3
"More than I have", but wait until I burn through the current set.
At present, I'm waiting on market to buy more food, I think. Or waiting on exploration to finish, so I can build stuff, so I can then collect, and go back to building progression... I think.
I'm pulling down something like 30k food, net, per collection. So I might be ok with that; it's just wood and stone that I keep running out of. I've got 238k of stone incoming, and if I see some cheap wood, I'll grab that as well. Other than that, I'm down to 20 million gold, so not terribly urgent; I figure I can rip up 3 more steps of 600 miles/province off that before I run out completely.
Which would bring me to about 660 prog, I think, by about Wednesday or Thursday
Quote from: Tezkat on September 06, 2008, 06:12:46 PM
Do any of you really not want to fight? I don't want to force war on anyone, although I think it would be good experience. I could just as easily go rogue for the duration of the conflict to help out.
Me, but I've got that covered. Hippie mode FTW. ;-]
Sorry, but I'm all tapped out for trades.
Quote from: Tezkat on September 06, 2008, 06:12:46 PM
Yeah. Just post how much you need. I make like 10 million a collection--way more than I could ever spend on land or troops. I've got nothing to spend it on but progression. And maybe bidding up artifact prices. :3
I could probably use a whole lot (I built my fourth province - that's why I have 6 whole days of land piled up), but then again, there are others who could use the money. I still need something like just 50k food (along with a million gold) to be able to max up the province. At today's food prices that would total up to 2.5 million, and that would be a good start. If you have more cash to spare, I'll put up more in 1 million increments.
Well, go ahead and put it up. I'd prefer higher PPU stuff, since I do need my market cap for liquidating and/or hiding resources.
Man... I can't even bribe people to send me Blood Ice... :animesweat
Quote from: Tezkat on September 06, 2008, 07:37:13 PM
Well, go ahead and put it up. I'd prefer higher PPU stuff, since I do need my market cap for liquidating and/or hiding resources.
Man... I can't even bribe people to send me Blood Ice... :animesweat
You could probably bribe me to send you blood ice. :3
Heh. I'd be happy to bribe you for Blood Ice. Just free up a trade and post some bribe resources on the market. You should be able to request a trade from me.
Thanks. :mowcookie
The economy reset is set on the 22nd, so make sure you spend all your stuff before then.
Some guy (http://galava.net/user?id=1761) was silly enough to declare war on me before sending spies, and it turns out I have about twice as much troops as the other guy. I've offered him peace because I want to reset my arcanus with the leftover gold I have, but I can't do that in war, or should I send more than enough troops to punish him because not only I have a troop advantage but also an underdog bonus of 20%?
Hmm. What kind of unit stats do you have? Has he spoken with you yet? You'd probably take heavy losses if you tried to fight him with weaker troops. He's certainly been online since you sent the peace offer, and yet he hasn't bothered peacing out. Maybe he needs some incentives...
Option 3: Tezkat squashes his puny army. :kittydevious
If he finally peaces out, life goes on as usual. If not, you can move in for some free prog and end the war anyway. :3 Apparently, the guy failed to notice that DMFA, with all of 7 members, has more troops than his entire 46 member guild. :animesweat
Sound fun?
Quote from: Tezkat on September 19, 2008, 04:32:27 PM
If he finally peaces out, life goes on as usual. If not, you can move in for some free prog and end the war anyway. :3 Apparently, the guy failed to notice that DMFA, with all of 7 members, has more troops than his entire 46 member guild. :animesweat
Bearing in mind that my troop strength doesn't count, since it's at 12.
Not thousand. Just 12. I have one of each type of troop in each province, and unless I plan on fighting anyone, it's going to stay that way. ;-]
Ganurath would not count either. He's inactive and has zero troops.
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He uses mages, while I use mainly archers, which might be a bit of problem because I don't know how much bonus there is involved. And.. here's the war page (http://galava.net/war?id=9639). Advice?
I sent a nice little force. It will land around 10:31 PM EST, and it should wipe out about half his troops if he doesn't dodge.
Without knowing your stats and siege count, I can't really help you guess how many forces to send. Ranged should have about a 5% advantage over Magic.
He's got a lot of Barriers up, by the way. Attack time is pretty significantly increased.
Out of interest, Tez, have you a more complete list of the armory items available?
I keep meaning to organise a webpage with them on, in useful format...
http://wiki.galava.net/wiki/index.php/Armory :mowcookie
Oh, and incidentally... it would be a good idea to keep spying on our opponent when you have the chance (in case he moves his troops out, etc.).
Quote from: Tezkat on September 19, 2008, 06:08:08 PM
http://wiki.galava.net/wiki/index.php/Armory :mowcookie
Ooo.
Didn't realise the "event" items were different.
Picked up The Ocean's Garb recently, so I'll add that to the list. 0-5 attack, 100-120 defence, magical armour. Very nice.
Oh, and by the way, my troops have one of the best event defense armors available. (mossberg fist, +55 defense) And it wasn't even listed on the wiki until I added it.
*is such a lucky bastard, but not as lucky as the box*
Oh, yes. Valynth, I'm gonna have to drop that trade we have, because I have 3 seaweeds already now...
Mind if I see if you've got something else to replace it?
Alright, (the question that was here has been answered and on hind sight was so full of fail that it warranted this text explaining just how full of fail it was.)
Current items I can trade: Elderberry, Nightshade, Cherry Wood, and seaweed.
Either or. ;-]
Do you know the formulae for this type stuff? I'll PM the stats to you, but I'd look silly if I asked each time.
Also: You two are lucky. I keep getting stuff which are not in my house of choice, id est, I keep getting melee and magic items (bad ones at that) and nothing I can use for my ranged warriors.
Formulae? For attacks? Admin keeps changing that anyway...
What we know:
Effectiveness of siege weapons and defensive items depend on the number of enemy troops.
Effectiveness of combat stats depends on the number of troops.
Underdog bonus seems to be applied after the normal battle calculations.
The bonus/penalty for unit type is in the 5-10% range. We don't know where that's added.
"Normal" is usually the best attack type.
:mowcookie
In summary, the person with the most troops usually wins. >:] For optimal results, send a force 2-3 times the size of the defenses.
I took out ~80k of his troops on my first big attack. He's got 140k left. My next strike will probably only kill 30k or so. It lands ~2:27 EST.
So, if your stats are comparable to his, sending 200k+ should seriously mangle him. 300k+ with siege may actually wipe out his army. Some of your guys have kinda low stats, though. You may still lose a bunch, especially if you send those low def guys.
I did also some Barrier testing with friends today, by the way. As far as we can tell, 11+ level 5 Barriers will increase attack time by ~45%. The cap might even be achieved at lower numbers. I'll see as more of my anti-barrier warriors land.
Do I get an underdog bonus when attacking him?
Hmm... I don't know how that works, actually. I assume that it will reduce your losses as advertised, though.
Either way, post here if you attack, and when you expect it to land. If you'd prefer to wait, I can send off another big attack in a little over 3 hours that will probably be large enough for a complete wipe this time, but that won't land until morning.
How do you want to split up the plunders/occupations? If you want to end the war automatically, you have to have the last plunder/occupy. Otherwise it will just sit there until he peaces out.
I do want it to end ASAP, so I'll have to do that. I wouldn't mind plundering another (ie. two in total) province as to punish the guy, but its up to you. After all, you're the one (at the moment) whose doing most of the damage.
I can afford to wait until morning because I want to wait for my offencive siege units to finish, but I probably won't be awake at the time. So if I am to attack the first province, it'd be either I send it now and delay several hours until after your main hits in the morning or not at all and focus on the latter three provinces (which I should be able to handle, judging from spy reports updated at 3 hour intervals.)
Bleh... my siegeless attack landed. I lost more troops than he did. I'm not gonna do that against large forces again. As predicted, I killed around 30k. 100k left.
I sent off the next big wave. It lands around 8:18 AM EST. I'd say it's virtually a guaranteed wipe unless he's online to dodge. I didn't hold back. >:]
His barriers should be gone by then, too, so attack times will be back down to normal. I don't expect to be online much before afternoon, so feel free to go ahead and finish him off if you're around. Just remember that you'll end up with a dead war if you don't get the last plunder. So if you're going to be online a lot, use the "Ignore" option instead of plundering to leave stuff for me and go for his last province yourself.
When going for the capture on weakly defended province, send four equal waves of at least 5 times whatever he has left defending it. That should ensure that you get the full 25 allegiance with every strike. You don't need siege towers for that. Unless he dodges, he'll have so few troops left that you'll just be wasting them. If he does dodge... well, then you'll have a fun battle to fight, I guess. :3
EDIT: Yup, he got raped. >:] Since I found time to poke in and send out a few more troops, I've ignored his outer province and left that for you. All his troops got wiped, but his queues are still active, so you should be able to take it with 4 attacks of a few thousand soldiers each.
Since I happen to have the spare stuff, I'd like to know: What is your suggested distribution in siege units?
If you're online a lot, have a few Barriers and Outposts as your default defensive units. You don't need very many. In fact, you apparently get the full warning and slowdown effect from a single level 5 unit. (I tested that this weekend, actually.) Swap them out for Tar and Trenches before an attack lands, though. Tar/Trenches is the way to go for defense.
The anti-building weapons are fairly useless under the current mechanics. (And, by corollary, Bricks are pretty worthless, too.) Outside of very long attrition guild wars, all they do is increase your attack time and annoy your opponent.
Currently, I have something like 200 Siege Towers, 100 Tar, 100 Trenches, 10 Barriers, 10 Outposts. 2:1 is a fairly conservative siege:defense ratio intended to fight people closer to my size. If you plan to spend a lot of time fighting weaker players, go heavier on the towers.
The reset is tonight. Spend while you can!!! :mowcookie
Already did. I'm all out of cash and resources, barring possibly the odd bit of food...
Well, the update has been done...
Today's news:
And in the glorious empire of Seerfir, there was a population boom... a population boom of the sorts that had never been seen before.
Tomorrow's news: SEERFIR DEVASTATED BY FAMINE
Rioting plagues the once serene forests and solemn quarries as people desperately look for anything they can trade for food.
[insert satirical cartoon of people eating wood/stone here]
Assuming a linear increase, my maxed population is going to eat roughly 39k out of my 40k gross income :/
Meanwhile, soldiers still don't eat much...
edit: it doesn't seem like it's linear...
I am displeased by the distinct lack of gold in my empire.
That is all. :<
Interesting numbers.
We'll see how this works out. As it stands, I can increase by about 150 land per update. Which is a bit limiting; I think it'll take me two or three updates to just collect enough resources to build the outstanding builds as-is...
And he ran the update 3 hours earlier than he said he would :-/
....I sense that this will not end well for those of you with a lot of progression. After all, now that there's no land cap with progression, you can suddenly get hit by a person who grabbed a lot of land and military just before hitting your prog range allowing them to plow you guys VERY unexpectedly.
Essentially, a person's progression is no longer a good measurement for army effectiveness or production of goods. Since progression no longer limits production in any shape or form now, I predict that galva's going to see some EXTREMELY uneven fights. Like boxer vs quadriplegic uneven.
*grabs his land while the getting's good.*
Sandro said that the land cap will probably be back.
For the few of you who have large military (that's about 3 to 5 of us) the newest update has greatly increased the amount penalized for going over the new, smaller, limit (which is not written on the finance page). This is a service announcement from someone who has failed to read the extended news post before collecting.
PS: 2x to 4x? Last I checked, I had around 12x of the cap... :<
One of the nice things about this update is that now, one can set a bunch of explores going, and as each chunk completes, you can build the buildings for it.
Rather than waiting for 50 of each type, as that's a more cost effective method of working (in the old system), you can build one at a time, if you want. Which means that you can explore basically all the time, and only pause (if you so desire) to collect money every 3 days or so...
... although at present, you'll find you collect more if you collect more often, since the growth will only show up after each collection; 3 * a is less than a + (a + b) + (a + b +c)... although this is counter-weighted by the lowering in food income as the population get hungry...
Is it just me, or is there definably an uptrend in the prices of wood, stone and food? Has gold deflated in value?
I think it's a temporary change.
Remember, the land cap increased, so everyone is on a land splurge. Which takes gold and food, and lesser amounts of the other two for building.
I expect things to even out after a couple more weeks, once everyone maxes out the extra land.
This person, space station, in Galava today applied to DMFA guild. I'd like to ask if anyone here happens to be the person in question, and if there isn't, what we are to do with this guy.
I'd drop him a note asking him why he wants to join, and to introduce himself on the forum...
His reply...
Quote from: space station
i just wanted an active guild, small, not over-regulated and over-organized. and people that are used to war, im used to being the only guy with a standing army while my buddies are gettin beat up :(
Should we let him in? Judging from his war history, he's quite an active raider, and he's got skills. Can't help thinking that he might be a better fit for Thugz or KONG, but he'd certainly beef up our military capabilities.
You may want to point out that the bigger parties in our roster might fit, but there's at least one (me!) who's a beatnik...
YMMV, IOW...
I have a query, and sort of an offer, for Cogidubnus, Ganurath, and Valynth.
fisherman has bought 58 more levels of prog off me, for 250k apiece. If you guys are willing to pass that across to him, I'll purchase random materials off you to the value specified. All you have to do is let me know when and what to buy off you, to put the money in your direction.
If you're still willing, there's a few other folks I owe some prog to, and prog for me is ~730k/level, at current market rates (15/22/103 w/s/f) so I'm happy to cough up to get you guys sorted.
Plus you get a build boost from the cash. If you're interested...
...I've been sucked in. XD
You're initiated.
Please look at the Galava Guide (http://clockworkmansion.com/forum/index.php/topic,4856.0.html). Most of it still stands, but there have been a few changes, notably in numbers. Its best not to trust the numbers (as they are mostly outdated) but many principles still stand. A few noteworthy changes, off the top of my head:
- Land prices and building structures are now static and work on diminishing returns
- Solider "soft cap" in place. I personally have over 10 times the soft cap amount and still turn a small profit, so I can vouch for its ineffectiveness.
If you have any questions, I'm sure one of us would answer it. Or check the Galava Wiki (http://wiki.galava.net/wiki/index.php/Main_Page).
Ya, I'm probably going to restart. Lack of food sucks (dumb tundra).
Oh crap... I can't yet.
Tundra is actually extremely useful later for its Blood Ice - I know I'd like an extra Tundra province for its Blood Ice because it's rather difficult to obtain.
I'd also send you some food, but I'll have to wait until I can collect because I spent all of it on my raving army which just sits there.
Hold off on that. The first two or three updates, you're losing hand over fist.
If you need, you can put up some trivial amount of resources on the market at obscene rates, notify us, and we'll fork out large sums of money for you.
eg, I currently have somewhere around 30 million in spare change lying about, not counting the further 7.5 floating about in the progression bucket. Coughing up a half would be barely noticeable for me, whereas for you, it'd make a big difference.
And this is just one of the interesting ways guild members can make your day go faster. ;-]
Ok, put nearly all the wood I have left in the market.
And gone.
... 30? Man, I remember those days. Wow. ;-]
James, can I ask you to co-operate in this idea I have?
You may or may not have noticed, you won't get attacked because you have no war slots. I would like to ask:
1. If you can change into war mode anyways, because at higher progression one gets an economic penalty for being in peace mode;
2. If you can, can you send spies to other people well out of the range of war declaration, since if I remember correctly, one needs to be in war mode to obtain spy data and if you can, it might be a good investment to invest in an intelligence-gathering department.
I ask of this because as of right now, it is only possible to send one spy every three hours, and this is far too time-consuming if one needs to find suitable targets quickly.
You should also consider if you want to play in war mode, where a large army would be mandatory, (Like Tezkat, Kasarn and myself) or in peace mode, which would be more suited to those who at the moment, have large amounts of food-based provinces (like llearch). I'm telling you this now because a large army needs to be built starting now - id est, the earlier the better.
What is the range of war declaration? Also, would you like me to look at unaligned people, or those in guilds?
There are actually two war deceleration ranges, but on a normal basis, you should be able to attack any one between twice and half as much progression as you do. For details, you would have to consult this page (http://galava.net/military) where you can also change your war stance.
I'm not sure if you have no war slots, but when you get them, there will be a bar divided into four sections colour-coded red, yellow or green. Any empire with their progression range listed in the areas marked red is out of war declaration zone; any empire with their progression in the yellow section you can declare war on, but they would get a defensive advantage.
From my experience with finding people to raid, it doesn't actually matter that much what guild the other person is in. (Except West Side Thug Unit (Thugz) - We have a NAP with them) You need to send something like five times the amount of troops the defender has to wipe the defence clean, and even that would suffer high causalities. What, in my opinion, matters much more is when an empire was last active - one can tell at a glance by looking at what colour diamond is next to their ruler name: A green diamond means within five minutes ago, yellow means within 30 minutes, orange means within the last two hours, blue means within the last 24 hours, and black means inactive. It is usually better to go for the ones without a diamond (id est over 24 hours but not inactive, as you cannot attack inactives)
I hope I've answered your question somewhere in that block of text. :)
It does, but it seems it forces me into peace mode until I get 2 provinces. Until then it won't let me switch. I'll be stuck at one province for awhile until I get more financial help to get enough progression points.
How would you like that help delivered?
Since I recently sold off 90k of food at 168 per, I have some spare cash lying about... some 50 million in spare change...
50 million... spare? Dang. Well, I put up some wood. I swear it would be cheaper to burn stacks of money to keep warm then to burn this wood. XD
Heh.
Taken. I just sold another 50k food for 9.25 million, so it should work out even.
Man, being a food-whore country rocks. ;-]
Edit:
BTW, James, did you want to sell prog?
Ya, someone just asked me about that, but I don't know how to.
Talk to me on IM, if you want details, sometime. It's reasonably trivial, and an excellent moneyspinner...
Quote from: llearch n'n'daCorna on October 18, 2008, 05:32:14 AM
How would you like that help delivered?
Since I recently sold off 90k of food at 168 per, I have some spare cash lying about... some 50 million in spare change...
How I fairly envy you for being a pure food nation :B
Heh... We've got a tentative merger offer from the GOONS. Standard reply?
I don't really pay much attention to Galava these days... :B
I don't plan on merging with someone random else...
But then, with galava, I can quite happy play all by my lonesome... ;-]
Quote from: TezkatHeh... We've got a tentative merger offer from the GOONS. Standard reply?
Ask if they are willing to settle with a NAP with an optional defence clause like one we have with Thugz. Don't mention the Thugz part unless if they specifically ask for it. Strictly speaking, we don't need it, at least in beta, but diplomatic ties tend to carry over such limitations.
Quote from: TezkatI don't really pay much attention to Galava these days...
That's OK. If you're not planning any wars logging in about once a day is really enough. We should be working on stuff like writing a wiki article on our Cybernations guild and perhaps one on the Galavan guild. :animesweat:
When you do, make sure to point out that "banker" is spelt with a W.
I tried something today and clicked "Would you like to start an election?" in the guild panel. I'm wondering how it would affect the guild. You're welcome to try and vote to test the voting system, since I can't cancel it. You're also welcome to ignore it.
Quote from: llearch n'n'daCorna on October 21, 2008, 05:33:23 PM
When you do, make sure to point out that "banker" is spelt with a W.
Please enlighten me on such spelling. I am not so good at spelling to realize "banker" can be spelt with a "w".
It goes at the start. Instead of the b. ;-]
Make a flag!
I thought we did?
Or was that CN?
That was for CN. We could, however, always use one of the many recolours which were "rejected" from CN to use...
I'm now in this game only to become inactive after three months.
Why?
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You're initiated.
Please look at the Galava Guide (http://clockworkmansion.com/forum/index.php/topic,4856.0.html). Most of it still stands, but there have been a few changes, notably in numbers. Its best not to trust the numbers (as they are mostly outdated) but many principles still stand. A few noteworthy changes, off the top of my head:
- Land prices and building structures are now static and work on diminishing returns
- Solider "soft cap" in place. I personally have over 10 times the soft cap amount and still turn a small profit, so I can vouch for its ineffectiveness.
- I think you just don't have to have any active wars to change the order of provinces, and you can enter peace mode if you don't have any offensive wars, but that won't stop your defensive war
If you have any questions, I'm sure one of us would answer it. Or check the Galava Wiki (http://wiki.galava.net/wiki/index.php/Main_Page). :)
Thanks for the information. >:3
Oh, by the way, I owe fisherman a stack of progression. If you'd like to sell to him, let me know, and I'll organise some money transfer in your direction.
I'd like to announce our ODP eventually, but Tez told me a couple months ago to wait on a flag. What should I do?
... I think use the CN flag, it's the last time we agreed on anything. ;-]
Not really, it's the last time we almost agreed on anything. But I agree with llearch.
Oh, by the way, is there a text I can see before hand? I'm curious as what that would read. Thanks in advance.
As far as writing treaties I'm kind of a minimalist. http://forums.galava.net/index.php?showtopic=10544 (http://forums.galava.net/index.php?showtopic=10544)
You guys want something more detailed? Also, can I have a flag link? You guys can always change your flag.
Quote from: Darkdragon on October 21, 2008, 12:03:27 PM
Quote from: TezkatHeh... We've got a tentative merger offer from the GOONS. Standard reply?
Ask if they are willing to settle with a NAP with an optional defence clause like one we have with Thugz. Don't mention the Thugz part unless if they specifically ask for it. Strictly speaking, we don't need it, at least in beta, but diplomatic ties tend to carry over such limitations.
DraGOONS have started pestering me with this. Does anyone object to attempting to negotiate an NAP?
I don't, but then, I wouldn't, would I? *dons hippie hat*
Quote from: llearch n'n'daCorna on November 19, 2008, 03:50:27 AM
I don't, but then, I wouldn't, would I? *dons hippie hat*
*rolls the hat, smokes it, and promptly leaves to find more munchies*
Can I ask which GOON specifically you are talking to?
You can. Bluestreak2k5 is the GOON what invited me into the message conversation, and Salithus is in the conversation also. I hope that helps.
As long as they're not affiliated with Goonsquad, I have no problems.
I don't really know who bluestreak is. All I know is that hes a regular GOON who pretends to be important. Any of you guys hoping on the new AE server?
Quote from: fisherman on November 22, 2008, 10:59:27 AM
Any of you guys hoping on the new AE server?
At first I was likie, "wtf is that?" and then I googled AE and it didn't give any useful hits. Then I was like, "Astro Empires (http://www.astroempires.com/). durrhurr I am a retard"
I've always thought about it, but I've been a bit bleh about it because of the supposedly rather intense raiding. However, it looks like they've changed the rules (http://astroempires.wikia.com/wiki/Player_Protection).
Quote from: fisherman on November 22, 2008, 10:59:27 AM
Any of you guys hoping on the new AE server?
Don't really plan to. I don't have time. I might change if my schedule eases anytime soon.
For those of you who might not have checked yet, Galava has implemented its Castle system, which includes an armoury, university, workshop and arcanus resets. It takes a whole day to build something so I have no words on that yet.
My army re-equipping fee totals to 30,563,078 gold. D:
I'm going to re-tool my workshop. Which ones are most efficient?
I joined AE and was dropped in F15.
Quote from: Darkdragon on November 23, 2008, 04:14:02 AM
I'm going to re-tool my workshop. Which ones are most efficient?
Siege Towers, Trenches and Tar
Barriers and Outposts have a niche purpose in slowing attacks and then switching to Trenches/Tar.
Rams are handy for destroying walls (duh). Other siege weapons are at your discretion as destroying buildings serves little purpose beyond being spiteful.
siege towers are awesome
as for def i have outpost/barrier at 5 and then tar/trench at 5. If you're away from your compy a lot i suggest outpost/barrier
Hmm... I haven't really been paying much attention to Galava... just logging in every 3 days or so collect taxes. Since I haven't spent any of it in the past few weeks, I now have zillions of munnies in case anyone wants to borrow them for castles and troops and stuff.
:mowcookie
I'm not up to date on the political landscape, either, but I'm pretty cool with the GOONS if you guys want to negotiate something with them.
As for Astro Empires... uh... I'm practically retired from the games I'm playing now, so I don't see myself adding anything to my game portfolio just yet. Maybe later? :3
I'd borrow some more, but heck if I know what I'd do with it (other than the current standing offer to dole some out to the younger players if they want) and I've probably already borrowed enough...
Quote from: Tezkat on November 23, 2008, 04:56:10 PM
Hmm... I haven't really been paying much attention to Galava... just logging in every 3 days or so collect taxes. Since I haven't spent any of it in the past few weeks, I now have zillions of munnies in case anyone wants to borrow them for castles and troops and stuff.
:mowcookie
I'd like 31 million to cover my troop re-armament cost, if that isn't too much to ask. :)
Feel free to give more if you have that to spare. :3
Fisher guy wants to give me aid. Should I accept?
No reason you shouldn't.
Note that aid is generally small enough to be pointless, I think, but there's no reason you shouldn't accept. Other than that we still owe him a stack of prog...
Fisherman, does everyone in your guild know of the treaty between our two groups? I was attacked by Hyran, but peace was declared. I would like to merely double check. Thanks in advance.
I have three outgoing slots free. How much does he need?
Edit: It seems that I can only send two progression every week if he doesn't send anything my way.
Why am I getting money from you Joe?
I thought you needed aid.
I have enough money. I'm really just here now to support others. Anyone need cheap progression? I'll likely stay at this level for awhile to grind up your numbers.
I wouldn't say no.
Quote from: James StarRunner on December 09, 2008, 08:40:31 PM
I have enough money. I'm really just here now to support others. Anyone need cheap progression? I'll likely stay at this level for awhile to grind up your numbers.
I see. Thanks for clarifying.
Quote from: James StarRunner on December 09, 2008, 08:40:31 PM
I have enough money. I'm really just here now to support others. Anyone need cheap progression? I'll likely stay at this level for awhile to grind up your numbers.
*cough*
"cheap" is not the same as "free"... some conversation regarding remuneration might be appropriate... ;-]
We'll talk prices later. The first one's on me.
James:
Quote from: Darkdragon on October 17, 2008, 04:20:46 PM
2. If you can, can you send spies to other people well out of the range of war declaration, since if I remember correctly, one needs to be in war mode to obtain spy data and if you can, it might be a good investment to invest in an intelligence-gathering department.
Remember this? Do you think you want to give it a shot now that you have war slots and can send spies? Also regarding spies, you should choose the option of "Share spy data with guild" so we can see the data. Thanks in advance.
Oh, and I wouldn't mind buying some cheap progression.
Ok, I've just been semi-inactive recently. I really should build up some troops just in case.
Everyone should know of our alliance. I am eagerly awaiting the next update.
Hmm... we have a random new applicant (http://galava.net/user?id=1616):
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I'm a veteran of lunarwars that no longer plays it since nukes became really gay. Was trying to apply for THUGZ, but I hate how they make you log into their forums and talk on irc with them when I just want to play galava mostly. A lot of the big guilds do that for some reason, to make themselves feel more important I guess. I want to join your guild because it is small enough that it is probably neutral as far as politics go, but also safe because of an small, but strong and active base. I have about 400k soldiers right now, but I don't want to go into war mode until I get accepted because it can be dangerous without a guild tag next to your name. And once in the guild, if you need me to fight in any conflict, thats fine with me.
Anyone approve?
I don't disapprove. Be nice if he dropped by the forum, at least to say "hi", though.
If he's not in the forum, how are we supposed to gain his attention to get him to fight in any wars? Just drop him a PM?
Well... I suppose we could actually start using those built-in bulletin systems and such... :animesweat
I'm somewhat hesitant to invite all comers to the forums right away. He's already tried out two guilds and found them wanting, so there's no guarantee he'll stick around. Given that we haven't really bothered securing any part of this board, it's a potential risk (to our allies as well as us) to have random people wandering around. :B
BTW, did anything come of the overtures with the GOONS?
Point.
I dunno about the GOONs, I wasn't talking to them...
Well, we probably won't be seeing him around here, but he does seem nice enough...
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I just don't like forums, and I will probably never use them. Its not that I'm not concerned about the guild or its politics, its just that I want to play the game without forums or irc. If you need me to attack someone or do something, you will have to message me in game, but other than that, I'll be loyal to DMFA's cause
Since there were no objections raised or whatnot, I figured I'd give the guy a chance and approve his membership.
I'm about to get blindsided by about 600,000 troops. Ehrm. Let's see if all that defensive land and defense-based castle do anything, then.
Any help that people might be able to give would be appreciated. :animesweat
Unfortunately, without enough troops (as is your case), there's not much we can do, especially if the attacks are on their way. (The guy's out of my comfortable attack range) You are, however, welcome to invoke the ODP with Thugz and hope he backs out.
For the time being, put everything in the storehouse and everything else on the market for huge prices. Do not spend resources during the last minute on long building queues as they will get destroyed if they raid your province (which will happen 90% of the time). I'll provide some reconstruction resources (Although for food you're better off asking llearch) to get your empire up running in the case he tramples you over, and consider investing in 300,000+ strong soldiers. I'm paranoid enough to say that's not enough. Best of luck.
Yeah, I've got 2.7m food lying about - it's cheap enough, etc. You want some, ask, and we'll arrange it while I'm online to get it to you cheap...
Well, the problem now seems to be that I'm not going to be able to produce soldiers as fast as he can kill them. :/
I've got a que of 100,000 going, but it's going to take 67 days to complete. Hrm.
I'm requesting peace, hoping he'll take his winnings and go home, and switching to peace mode as soon as I can.
- As an addendum, he didn't blink when I mentioned the Thugz. How would I go about asking for a little help from them, then?
Quote from: Cogidubnus on January 05, 2009, 01:54:03 PM
Well, the problem now seems to be that I'm not going to be able to produce soldiers as fast as he can kill them. :/
I've got a que of 100,000 going, but it's going to take 67 days to complete. Hrm.
Quote from: Darkdragon on January 05, 2009, 01:00:13 AM
Do not spend resources during the last minute on long building queues as they will get destroyed if they raid your province (which will happen 90% of the time).
A little late for that particular part of the advice. :rolleyes
Quote from: Cogidubnus on January 05, 2009, 01:54:03 PM
I'm requesting peace, hoping he'll take his winnings and go home, and switching to peace mode as soon as I can.
Unlikely.
Quote from: Cogidubnus on January 05, 2009, 01:54:03 PM
How would I go about asking for a little help from [Thugz], then?
You are most welcome to.
I'm sitting on plenty of monies that could go towards the reconstruction effort.
The Thugz probably wouldn't be able to help even if we asked for it. They have a policy of power levelling all their lowbies up to at least 1600 prog, so none of their fighters would be small enough to help you against that guy. They could glare menacingly at him, maybe... :animesweat It's not like GOONS are the type to back off from a fight because you ask nicely.
For future reference, what you generally want to do in cases like this is just move your troops out of the way and let him have your province(s), then move them back into an already plundered province where he can't hurt them. (It's also safe to queue up more troops in a province that's been plundered.) Hide your resources on the market. It takes over a month to rebuild a decent sized army. That's not worth a few prog points or cash. Unless you happen to lose an artifact (which is super annoying), raiding isn't all that damaging to your empire so long as you manage to preserve most of your troops and resources.
Realistically, I'd say you'd need about half a million troops to survive out of peace mode these days. Above 1200 prog (i.e. in range of the big guys), it's probably more like a million. Don't stop building troops. The raiders won't, and they can easily support seven-digit troop counts through plunder and occupation. (I think fisherman has something like 3 million troops now...) :dface
Not to mention those here with a seven-digit troop count without raiding endlessly... >.>
I think the rule of thumb is this: If you think its enough, its not enough.
It's more a matter of "enough" being a moving target. It's all well and good to say that, for instance, 800k troops is enough, and it might be for a time, but when the raiders are adding 30k troops a day... :dface
As long as there is someone with higher prog in war mode with less troops, you should be raid safe.
...until that person gets raided, and you rise to the top of the list? >:]
Okay... we have a bit of an incident now... :dface
One of the Thugz (http://galava.net/user=3995) was kind enough to step in and try to take the pressure of Cog. Unfortunately, he's now being gangbanged by four GOONS.
Kasarn and I are too big to help. Darkdragon?
The guys in the 800's are a bit too low to hit as the underdog bonus would be 40%+ and I'm not comfortable with that. I can hit the guys in the 1000's and make sure they regret it though. Will get on to that as we speak.
Do you think we should extend reconstruction efforts to the guy who helped?
Quote from: Darkdragon on January 07, 2009, 11:09:12 PM
The guys in the 800's are a bit too low to hit as the underdog bonus would be 40%+ and I'm not comfortable with that. I can hit the guys in the 1000's and make sure they regret it though. Will get on to that as we speak.
Yeah, that's probably a good idea.
Don't attack any of those guys until we have proper spy data on them. Some of them have pretty insane unit stats, so they're probably all war castle and dark magic. We might need to coordinate strikes with the Thugz...
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Do you think we should extend reconstruction efforts to the guy who helped?
We could. It would only be fair. llearch and I could get on that.
We should also get Cog some rebuilding monies as well...
On a side tangent and for the record, there's apparently a rule against starting wars if you have collections outstanding. I can't collect because I reset land types and is waiting for the deconstruction effort to get somewhere. I'll see how the situation improves after about 3 hours.
Really? Interesting... Good to know, I suppose.
Which one are you spying on?
Sherman. The spies will return in 2 hours.
Shoot. I feel bad that he's getting beat on. :<
I'd help, but...um, I don't really think I can. :B
Get spy data and share with guild. At least you can do that (hopefully).
Quote from: Tezkat on January 06, 2009, 02:25:10 AM
I'm sitting on plenty of monies that could go towards the reconstruction effort.
The Thugz probably wouldn't be able to help even if we asked for it. They have a policy of power levelling all their lowbies up to at least 1600 prog, so none of their fighters would be small enough to help you against that guy. They could glare menacingly at him, maybe... :animesweat It's not like GOONS are the type to back off from a fight because you ask nicely.
For future reference, what you generally want to do in cases like this is just move your troops out of the way and let him have your province(s), then move them back into an already plundered province where he can't hurt them. (It's also safe to queue up more troops in a province that's been plundered.) Hide your resources on the market. It takes over a month to rebuild a decent sized army. That's not worth a few prog points or cash. Unless you happen to lose an artifact (which is super annoying), raiding isn't all that damaging to your empire so long as you manage to preserve most of your troops and resources.
Realistically, I'd say you'd need about half a million troops to survive out of peace mode these days. Above 1200 prog (i.e. in range of the big guys), it's probably more like a million. Don't stop building troops. The raiders won't, and they can easily support seven-digit troop counts through plunder and occupation. (I think fisherman has something like 3 million troops now...) :dface
Brainy Smurf is about 3.7M in around 3.6M. I want to hit 4M sometime. Bulllgod's assistance was nothing less than embarrassing, I actually had a talk with him about good tactics and skill. I would be happy if you brought assistance requests to our embassy as opposed to just asking a thug. This is of course okay, but its easier to keep track of that way.
I would like to clarify exactly where this embassy could be located so future requests could go with due protocol. Thanks in advance.
Some one declared war on me.... then went "oh shit!" and went for peace. I didn't even get to smack him awwwww.....
man only had 2 provinces and 6000 units. Part of the reason I let him go was how pathetic he was. That and he was in a guild.
Also, if he had attacked me with the entirety of his army my response would have been:
Awww, look at the widle newbie. Are you lost widle newbie? Where's your guild? Awww it's all right lets go to the Admin station, I'm sure they'll find them for you.
http://z11.invisionfree.com/West_Side_Thug_Unit/index.php Is our forums, you need to be masked to see your embassy. Tezkat is masked, if you do need to make a request and hes not available you're free to register.
Heh. Done. ;-]
Not that I expect to use it, but hey, it's nice to let everyone know, and most folks know where to get hold of me even if Tez isn't around, so...
I sent this to Tez:
Some of the thugs are meeting IRL and will have our computers and be on #cribz in IRC to discuss many things facing us. If you care to join us meet us in IRC at 9:30 PM EST. Please let anyone else in your guild know who you want to come. Both of you should be able to mask whoever you want into #cribz. Please have people maintain their galava name to avoid confusion. I sent a bulletin my whole guild. Make sure you know that your whole guild is invited.
Maybe see some of you then!
2:30am GMT (http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?day=12&month=1&year=2009&hour=21&min=30&sec=0&p1=179). Hrm. I think I'll probably be asleep.
By the by, it'd be useful if you specified which of the networks you're going to be on...
irc.coldfront.net
#thugz is our default chan but we wont be talking there. Have tez mask you in #cribz or query me
So... um... what happened to Kasarn? He dropped out of both Galava and CN without warning... :dface
I was wondering the same thing.
Quote from: Tezkat on January 17, 2009, 09:47:02 PM
So... um... what happened to Kasarn? He dropped out of both Galava and CN without warning... :dface
Do you have an update on this Tezkat? Or should I try my hand at PMing him?
Good news everyone. By shear random chance and force of moxie, I got a powerful melee weapon that is now equipped to my most plentiful unit.
Frozen Fury: (stats hidden for national security.)
...
Even with all my castles being armory boosts, I can't get a weapon like that normally.
*prays the armory never, ever resets again. He's still annoyed about the last one.*
Edit: well, impending full reset negates that.... DAMN
Pfft. I'm full magic, and I've got three (!) useless ranged and melee weapons. And one armour.
Nice of it to be helpful...
Well, I've got three useless magic armours and a useless magic weapon. It'd be nice if I was in magic. At least I got a ranged armour which is better than what I can usually get.
EDIT: llearch: I would like to make an emergency deposit right now of exactly 29,580,650. Doable?
Sure. Let me set it up.
Hrm. If divided by 50, it's an odd number. Tell you what, I'll set up 29 million, and then the rest.
Thank you very much. I really hate it when we've basically agreed on peace but then he sends troops. :<
I was also going to write the prime factorization of 53783 * 11 * 5 * 5 * 2, but then that doesn't divide evenly to any number under 10000 without the other factor being very large. In the future when I plan on getting attacked I shall attempt to have a number of gold which factorizes to a nice number between 9000 - 10000. :)
Meh. We did all right with 2958 + 1...
I'd like to have 28 million back. You can use the rest as you see fit.
Heh... nice job with those KoT guys. Were they really as weak as they looked? It almost looked like they were stupid enough to gang up on you without bothering to spy first... >:]
Quote from: Darkdragon on January 26, 2009, 03:26:11 AM
Quote from: Tezkat on January 17, 2009, 09:47:02 PM
So... um... what happened to Kasarn? He dropped out of both Galava and CN without warning... :dface
Do you have an update on this Tezkat? Or should I try my hand at PMing him?
No, I'm afraid I haven't been in touch with him since he quit all the games. He does still seem to be around the forums though... :B
It would seem that way. But one guy chickened out and moved most his troops out of harm's way and I steamrolled though the other provinces and one guy was just weak. I'm not bothering to hit the last guy though, the time's about to expire and I have enough resources for the moment. ;)
Most successful raid ever done. 'nuff said. :mowhappy
Are you even in the black without occupations? You've got even more troops than I do at 2/3 the prog... :dface
Last I calculated I would turn a profit of 1200 food when the weather's good. If not, I make enough wood / stone to break even.
(It takes me "only" 25.5k food and 338k gold to create troops for six hours)
Some one declared war on me again...
...Bad time to mention I have 380k+ soldiers sitting around? :3
they only have 40k in their defending province... This will be fun... And hey, free prog!
You'll have to be quick about your free progression, since the war expires in a day and 20 hours. :mowwink
My luck continues.
I just got a free melee weapon that's more powerful than the frozen fury...
Sadly, no amount of luck will bring back disco.....:disco
Heh. I have 2 free melee and 3 free ranged weapons, and 2 free ranged armours.
It's a pity I'm running magic, and don't have _any_ free weapons or armour for that... :-/
So, being attacked by three different guys at once. Two of them seem to be the same guild, one of them is maybe random?
Doing alright, I guess. One keeps sending one unit at a time, to make me waste workshop items. They haven't really dented me so far, though, just nibbling on my forces. I suppose I'm posting just in case I'm making a classic blunder and should be panicking more than I am.
(The peoples:XRCatD (http://galava.net/user?id=5275), Vespillo (http://galava.net/user?id=4064), Wiccan High Priest (http://galava.net/user?id=4828).)
I would say that the one not in the same guild is true that he means "testing" and doesn't actually mean harm. I mean, he has more than enough troops to crush you (probably).
I would also say you would be able to hold off the other two in the long run, so there is no reason to panic... yet. Although if you were paranoid like me you would go build more troops immediately. >:3
I don't think I exactly understand what testing is supposed to do. Hypothesis - will Cog's troops defend him? Experiment one seems to confirm that indeed they do.
As for the other two, they haven't attacked in about a day or so now. They've been pretty ineffective thus far too. Even when I had only around 100,000 troops, the guy who steamrolled me had at least 100+ seige towers. I think they've sent a grand total of five.
It's more a "poke him and see if he reacts" sort of thing. If he doesn't, you can throw everything at him in one move. If he does, you haven't opened yourself to being kicked under...
Of course, it doesn't take into account people taking the mickey, or playing possum, or the like. But that's another story...
Sending a zillion little one-man excursions is a very popular (and usually effective) strategy for wearing down enemy workshop units. You may want to disable them for that war if they're getting expensive to replace. Any attack strong enough to inflict serious damage will take many hours to land, so you'll probably have enough warning to re-enable them if necessary (though given that his army is several times stronger than yours, moving aside would probably be the better option in that case anyway :dface).
Do not send all your troops at once, you don't want to leave home unguarded. After the war switch to one units type too.
... Why one unit type, fisherman?
I mean, if you've got, as in my case, four magical units, surely it'd be faster to run all four in parallel? Obviously it requires that all your units use the best kit you've got, but as long as you're running the best kit for all of them, does it make any difference?
Or is Coggeh running with more than one type (as in ranged, melee, magical) rather than more than one type (different units) ?
I am using multiple types of units, yeah - ranged, melee and magical. I suppose it dilutes my armory points too much, yes, although I wasn't aware that I could fix that now.
Yeah. Spreading your units across multiple armoury types makes you really weak. Just concentrate on one type. You'd probably have to go all armoury castles to make multiple types viable--even I don't have the points to pull it off.
After your wars expire, you can reset your armoury for a fee on the account settings page (under Reset Account). That also means that you need to reequip all of your troops, which can be expensive. If you need help with the cash for that, give a holler. I think we can still use the new market for twinking other empires...
It's a bit tricky. We'd have to do it when we're both (i.e., Cog and whoever else is doing the transaction) online, and there are limits to how we do it. But yes.
It would be important to not put anything on the market that you can't afford to lose. Which means we'd have to get Cog to put up a sale, and then buy it. Hence the co-ordination.
I'm actually swimming in cash, so no problems there. I'll fix it when I get home then, I suppose.
Er... I'm not sure you can reset your armoury with wars active.
Quote from: llearch n'n'daCorna on March 10, 2009, 11:56:34 AM
It's a bit tricky. We'd have to do it when we're both (i.e., Cog and whoever else is doing the transaction) online, and there are limits to how we do it. But yes.
It would be important to not put anything on the market that you can't afford to lose. Which means we'd have to get Cog to put up a sale, and then buy it. Hence the co-ordination.
Um... why is that? Surely nobody else would buy the resources at foreign aid prices. >:]
I don't see that much of a mechanical change in the new market beyond the display system and the fact that you can no longer cancel offers. Or maybe I'm missing something... :animesweat
Event update: I now have an even more powerful melee armor for my troops! My luck is awesome!
And since my troop count is about to hit 600k, I think I'm going to be the guild aggressor at my prog range. :)
Quote from: Tezkat on March 10, 2009, 01:57:35 PM
I don't see that much of a mechanical change in the new market beyond the display system and the fact that you can no longer cancel offers. Or maybe I'm missing something... :animesweat
The other important change is that once you put something on the market, it's gone. You NEVER get it back. This makes it difficult to put up, say, a million food at $slightly_inflated_value and sell maybe half, then sell the rest later after the time expires.
It also means that once you put stuff up, if the market moves, you're screwed.
Sorry for the delay, I forgot I hadn't responded...
Quote from: llearch n'n'daCorna on March 14, 2009, 06:01:19 AM
It also means that once you put stuff up, if the market moves, you're screwed.
Not quite. It allows you to edit your ppu even after you put it up.
It didn't originally. And if the market moves enough that you're not wanting to sell, you're still forced to sell.
This makes it much harder to do things like, keep track of what the limit on the market is, and how it changes as you increase progression, though, which is the main reason it irritates me.
Right, didn't know that the market changed, and I've not got some odd 100,000 food and stone and wood sitting there that I can't get at anymore, courtesy of being stomped on by a million-plus strong army from that same fellow from before.
So, I hads me an idea, I did.
If it's possible, could someone buy it from me at an exorbitant price, and then allow me to buy it back at an exorbitant price? It seems like the only way to actually get it back, at this point, and I need food more than anything else to get my troop numbers back after being zeroed out.
I'll see if I can rustle up 50 million. I spent my money on progression earlier this morning. >.<
Cog: I'll do it. I've got a hundred million doing nothing.
... in fact, I've got a better idea. Rather than spending all that money (since you seem to have 50 mil food, 50 mil and 26 mil stone, and 48.5 mil wood) let it all just go, and I'll sell you the appropriate values of wood etc later.
Unless you needed some money?
Whilst I can buy _some_ of that, I've got 2.2 million of each, and 7 mil or so of food lying about, so it's not like I need the goods...
You mean just sell the resources, and you'll sell me resources later? Alrighty. And I didn't particularly need money, although I've been cleaned out there too, yeah.
I could certainly buy some food off you later. I'll do that, then.
Yeah, I can donate some monies if you need it, but I don't have the funds to buy all that at 500 PPU.
Let us know how much cash you need for rebuildings and stuff. You can sell the rest on the open market.
At this stage, it's probably not safe to invest in growth again until you have enough troops to defend it, unfortunately. :<
Well, I'd lower the price from 500 ppu, yeah. But, I'll just sell it off, and buy more from you guys when I need to, I suppose.
Does anyone know at about what time of the day the prices of food is below the average sale ppu? I ask because I want to buy food and save money; the hardships of a non-food nation are staggering. (Not to mention my ridiculously large army needs to be fed. I hold more than half the troops our guild have. >:3)
On that note, is there anyone I can recruit to help me spy on people I can attack? I need to go faster than 3 hours per person with 65% success rate... Thanks in advance.
well, I have a pile of food. If you want some, let me know...
7.6 million, I think.
That's very kind of you, good sir. What of arrangements for reimbursement?
reimbursement? What have you got that I'd want? ;-]
As it stands, I'm short of time to do the building, not resources. Money is flush, food is flush, stone and wood are ok... the major limits are merely making sure to log in three or four times a day, and when I'm working, that just doesn't happen :-/
Good question. I've got almost 80 times more troops than you do, and I've actually got magic weapons and armour from events. Except I can't give you any of those because there exists no way to. >.> I'll PM you in Galava to work this out.
Time to do building...? It must be a sign that we run our empires completely differently that I don't know where you'll need to log in three or our times a day to build (I do log in about 5 times a day - about every three hours to read spy and market data) as I only collect once a day - just after I cast my arcanus spells or just before they expire, depending on day. Considering my food profit is negligible without arcanus spells, its sort of important in my case. :animesweat
One more thing -
Say this guy who has lower progression than I has only one-third the troops I have. Do you think I have enough troops to steamroll over them? I'm paranoid, yet I'm itching to kill something >.>
Great, yet another powerful event weapon that I can use. 85-90 attack.
I should just stop buying armory stuff...
Edit: Being peaceful is a bit borring, are we/our allies at odds with anyone?
I keep getting all the great crap, but end up just sitting on my ass...
I've got no clue. I'm sitting on over half the guild's troops and I'm too paranoid to kill anything that has even a quarter of my troops. >.<
Ah, so Valynth is getting all of my good stuff.
I have all magic units and equipment, so, of course, I have
Melee Weapons: Gae Bulg (6-7:2), Tyrfing (9-11:0), Enchanted Blade (14:1)
Melee Armour: Piranha Rat Tunic (0:8), Babr-e Bayan (0:10-11)
Ranged Weapons: Saginaw Bow (7-9:0), Laevateinn Harpoon (10-11:1-2), Ninja Star (14-16:0)
Ranged Armour: Helmet of Deflection (0:3), Shield of the Argo (0:4-6), Norman Leather (0:15)
Magic Weapons: All-Knowing Eye of Yasmin Sira (128:0)
Magic Armour:
>.<
Well, I have good news. According to the latest update:
QuoteThe random armory event generator has been improved. In order to increase the likely hood a good event takes place, two items are drawn instead of one. The game will then compare the items and award the item with the best stats to the player receiving the event.
I would dare guess your chance of finding good weapons / armour will increase in the future.
Oh, and soldier cost has been reduced to 2 food. This means I save loads of food!
Yeah, I saw that.
I'm not holding my breath, you understand. ;-]
Quote from: llearch n'n'daCorna on April 09, 2009, 03:27:17 AM
Ah, so Valynth is getting all of my good stuff.
I have all magic units and equipment, so, of course, I have
Magic Weapons: All-Knowing Eye of Yasmin Sira (128:0)
Magic Armour:
>.<
Hey, none of my weapons break triple digits... my latest one is closest with a 85-90
the rest are below that....
Though I do have an armor with 70-75 defense. so eh, I guess I still come out ahead...
uh...
I have about 3-4 each of the magic items left to get. The only reason I don't already have them is I concentrated on tapping out the university when building castles.
So either it has to give me things I already have better items than, which is not on the cards, or it has to give me ranged or melee. So far it's gone for the latter. I suspect something in the code...
Does the random items get better with more progression?
I think it's based on your armory point allocation. I've got magic units. All the melee and ranged I get are crap, but I recently got some nice mage armour.
mmm. I've got, I think, the best magic armour and weapons around - recently picked up the Frozen Soul Of Mistalsia (15/135), to go with the All-Knowing Eye of Yasmin Sira (128/0). And six pointless range and melee weapons, and six pointless ranged and melee armour.
Quote from: Tezkat on April 22, 2009, 10:25:25 PM
I think it's based on your armory point allocation. I've got magic units. All the melee and ranged I get are crap, but I recently got some nice mage armour.
Thanks.
Quote from: llearch n'n'daCorna on April 09, 2009, 03:27:17 AM
Melee Weapons: Gae Bulg (6-7:2), Tyrfing (9-11:0), Enchanted Blade (14:1)
Melee Armour: Piranha Rat Tunic (0:8), Babr-e Bayan (0:10-11)
Ranged Weapons: Saginaw Bow (7-9:0), Laevateinn Harpoon (10-11:1-2), Ninja Star (14-16:0)
Ranged Armour: Helmet of Deflection (0:3), Shield of the Argo (0:4-6), Norman Leather (0:15)
Magic Weapons: All-Knowing Eye of Yasmin Sira (128:0)
Magic Armour:
I do believe this has corrected itself. Perhaps too much. In addition to the above, I have picked up:
Ranged Armour: Force Ring (0:10)
Magic Armour: Jamshid's Robe (7:118-120), Robe of the Dragon's Bane (12:125), The Frozen Soul of Mistalsia (15:135)
And although I have the most powerful buyable weapon, I don't yet have the top two armours. We'll see what happens. Certainly these three magic armours are better than anything else I can see.
That's great. Now build an army! :3
... Hadn't you noticed? I have a little force here.
Of course, I'm pondering selling them all off again, just for a lark...
Tourney Server Up!!!
Live comes out tomorrow around 3 PM PDT (-8) I hope you guys decide to play!
So... the beta is officially over and all. Does anyone still care? Who all is planning on playing?
Also, fisherman would like to know if now is a good time to announce our old treaty. With the server reset, the Thugz will likely have lots of people gunning for them. :dface
I'll probably keep on playing... I guess... /shrug
I'm not so sure. I suspect I'll play, but...
Quote from: llearch n'n'daCorna on July 09, 2009, 05:13:13 AM
I'm not so sure. I suspect I'll play, but...
It's difficult to rebuild the game up from scratch.
I'm playing as Lemuria though.
Heh. It's not like starting a new nation is much different than running an old one. Log in. Collect taxes. Buy stuff. Rinse. Repeat... :animesweat
Anyways, the guild (http://world1.galava.net/guild?id=39) is back up and running, for those of you who want to join in the fun.
So... the powers that be over in thugland want to announce our sekrit treaty to the world. Here's what we have so far in terms of treaty text:
Optional Defensive Protectorate Pact
The thugz and DMFA have reached a mutual understanding beyond the comprehension of most mortals. Some as comrades in arms, some to watch and protect, and others to point at and laugh...
Warm & Fuzzy Forever,
Tezkat Ebil Kitteh
llearch Cardboard Box Dweller
fisherman Thug Recruiter
kraco Thug Negotiator
Jameson Thug Lord
Sitting Duck BAMF
Thoughts?
On a related matter, fisherman noted that we might get an influx of new guild applicants seeking the protection of the mighty West Side Thug Unit once this treaty goes live. Should we put together a policy of some kind for handling new non-DMFA hopefuls?
I support this treaty with great enthusiasm! :mowhappy
Quote from: Tezkat on July 19, 2009, 05:45:31 PM
llearch Cardboard Box Dweller
Technically, I'm not a Cardboard Box
Dweller. Unless you mean in a Dweller On The Threshold sort of way.
I'm an Official Doormat, IIRC.
Quote from: Tezkat on July 19, 2009, 05:45:31 PM
On a related matter, fisherman noted that we might get an influx of new guild applicants seeking the protection of the mighty West Side Thug Unit once this treaty goes live. Should we put together a policy of some kind for handling new non-DMFA hopefuls?
Yeah, probably. "We don't lahke your kahnd." ;-]
Quote from: fisherman on July 19, 2009, 05:54:23 PM
I support this treaty with great enthusiasm! :mowhappy
You would. ;-]
So... our secret love affair with the thugz has been officially announced the world (http://forums.galava.net/index.php?showtopic=12361).
Also... we has a cute flag nao... :mowcookie
(http://img198.imageshack.us/img198/3701/dmfagalavak.gif)
That mow has no ears. ;-]
Maybe they're hidden under its gangsta style sideways helm? :mowdizzy
Mebbe.
Incidentally, I think I'm catching up with you on Galava. Maybe. Just a bit.
I have a plan for the next three provinces, which I'm wondering how it will work out. We shall see...
Once I've looked over the game guides I may join you guys in this game.
Do you already have an account?
If not, you will want to use a referral link. You get an extra 10k gold (which isn't really much, but free is free) and whomever referred you gets bonuses later on if you stick around. I'd suggest Tezkat's.
The game won't ever delete your account, so it doesn't really matter if you decide to stop playing, take a break or whatever. Of course, you can only accrue 12 collections (i.e. three days).
Your quite welcome to join. The new official tutorial just went up today, which should make things a bit easier.
Should you wish to use my referral link to register, here it is:
http://galava.net/register?ref=377
We both get bonuses when you register that way, which is kinda cool.
In other news...
Helpful notes on war mode, should any of you wish to de-hippify.
The war mode bonus is on the order of +100% to gold and +60% to all resources. It goes into effect after the first collection since transitioning to war mode.
Troops with Call to Arms cost 10 gold and 1 citizen each. The citizen loss is almost revenue neutral at current market prices because of decreased food consumption.
Maintenance for 1000 troops: 493 gold and 25 of each resource
Maintenance for 5000 troops: 1588 gold and 80 of each resource
Maintenance for 10000 troops: 2622 gold and 132 of each resource
Now that everyone in war mode will have Call to Arms, maintaining troop levels somewhere close to your min cap is both prudent and cost effective. Save up for troops (maybe give yourself some wiggle room to compensate for the loss of gold income in the first few collections), hit war mode, collect, buy roughly your min cap in units... PROFIT!!! Seriously, it should pay for itself in a day or so.
Oh, and please remember to upgrade your troops to the best weapons/armour before buying them. Armory upgrades are really expensive on standing armies.
EDIT:
And a quick reminder... You can skip 4 intermediary items now.
e.g. I bought the level 22 weapon for 1+3+5+7+22 = 38 points.
So... the faction system is finally up. It's basically like team colours in CN. It significantly increases trading bonuses and market delivery speeds.
I already buy almost exclusively from guildmates or allies, and all of my current trades are with thugz, so I think joining them in Red would be best, but I figured I'd open the floor to other ideas if anyone else has strong feelings on the matter.
The list of currently claimed factions looks something like this...
Black - GOONS, GOO
Blue - KoT, 1337 (Anumian), Attak (INVADE)
Green - RCi, TAE
Red - thugz, KONG
White - NoR, YGS, SWF
Red works for me. *joins*
I only have trades with Kasarn and Cogidubnus, so I'll probably follow them...
Oh, look.
Someone just started attacking me and Kasarn. Who do we talk to about that?
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Galava Conversation History
Title: Hey
User: llearch (http://world1.galava.net/user?id=5045)
Date: September 15 2009 · 02:50 AM
Dutchy (http://world1.galava.net/user?id=2825) - Posted September 15 2009 · 12:51 AM
My offer:
Allow me to ignore your 2 front provinces (ignore them, not plunder) and occupy your 3rd. In return you lose no soldiers, i return any prog taken via the aid system, and i leave you alone for a while. This offer expires if you log on, then log off without replying.
llearch (http://world1.galava.net/user?id=5045) - Posted September 15 2009 · 12:55 AM
Ah...
How would I do that, then?
Dutchy (http://world1.galava.net/user?id=2825) - Posted September 15 2009 · 12:57 AM
move your soldiers to last province, wait for me to ignore the first province, then move then move soldiers to the front province again. I'll take care of the rest.
llearch (http://world1.galava.net/user?id=5045) - Posted September 15 2009 · 01:01 AM
Soldiers are currently in transit, give me a bit to get them all moving in the right direction.
Why the third province, by the way?
Dutchy (http://world1.galava.net/user?id=2825) - Posted September 15 2009 · 01:04 AM
idk second province works too i guess.
Dutchy (http://world1.galava.net/user?id=2825) - Posted September 15 2009 · 01:17 AM
... your soldiers haven't moved. you have 42,000 sitting there still.
llearch (http://world1.galava.net/user?id=5045) - Posted September 15 2009 · 01:22 AM
Are you in such a rush that I don't get to consider the options?
I mean, honestly, is half an hour going to make all that much difference?
Dutchy (http://world1.galava.net/user?id=2825) - Posted September 15 2009 · 01:23 AM
You said they were currently in transit though.
llearch (http://world1.galava.net/user?id=5045) - Posted September 15 2009 · 01:26 AM
Others in transit. I'm waiting for them to land, so I can move the whole lot in one go, rather than having a whole pile of little packets running in all directions at different rates.
Dutchy (http://world1.galava.net/user?id=2825) - Posted September 15 2009 · 01:30 AM
oh ok then.
llearch (http://world1.galava.net/user?id=5045) - Posted September 15 2009 · 02:50 AM
I've been thinking about it, and I believe I'll decline your kind offer.
Sorry to keep you waiting and all.
Incidentally, you were aware that DMFA is an ally of West Side Thug Unit, right?
Thought you lot might be amused....
Yeah, we kinda dropped the ball as far as self-defence goes. :dface We had a free ride while thugz and KONG were the only ones in war mode, but now that there are large, aggressive hostiles within range, it's no longer safe to remain in war mode without a large standing army. I think open season on DMFA members was inevitable after Dutchy left to form INVADE. His 230k troops represent the upper end of the current threat range, but even smaller non-aligned raiders have well over 100k now. Staying at the min cap won't cut it anymore.
Basically, it seems that the old rule from beta remains valid: Keep building troops. Never stop.
At least, not until you hit your max cap. Rioting apparently hurts like hell. :3
Heh.
Annoyingly, he threw four attacks at me that arrived just TEN minutes before I woke up and logged in. *grrr*
The first was 150k, the other three were 2 each. If I'd been able to CTA, the other three would have bounced horribly, and I wouldn't have lost 25 allegiance each. As it is... next time he attacks, I lose a province. And most of my defences...
I think I'm going to have to have two provinces with full walls. I don't see it lowering my outgoing much, either, so I might just throw up full walls on everything again...
Other than that, meh. CTA and back up to useful levels, but I only killed 4k of his troops. For 46k of mine. I'm not sure if that counts as a loss or not... :-/
Yeah. He didn't hold back. :dface
What's kinda scary is that Dutchy probably isn't even close to his max cap yet. I mean, he's got 9k more land than I do, and my max cap is 264k. :animesweat At this point, he can take out an 80k army without breaking a sweat, and 120k with no real risk of retaliation. I won't even be that big for a week...
Oh yeah. And walls are probably a good idea.
Faction voting:
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00:15 <&llearch> whoa re we voting for in the faction elections?
00:16 <~fisherman> sitting duck or kraco or IDK my BFF Jill
00:16 <~fisherman> have 2 DMFA vote for duck
00:16 <~fisherman> i mean 2 for kraco
00:16 <~fisherman> 1 for duck
00:16 <~fisherman> 1 for idk
I voted for SittingDuck. Whoever gets in first gets IDK, and everyone else gets kraco. Yes?
Apparently, Dutchy is interested in peace talks. Maybe not so much with us as with our big bad homiez, seeing as how our own wars have expired. :animesweat Still, as the aggrieved parties, I'm curious to know if y'all have anything you'd be interested in gaining from diplomacy...
:mowcookie
... well, I'd like the week worth of prog, plus the extra resources I appear to have lost, plus the growth that I've missed out on, plus the enjoyment I've lost all back.
Somehow I don't think he's going to supply that, though. And Thugs appear to be having lolz flattening him, and I don't want to disturb that... ;-]
Does the website seem down to y'all?
Funny fact: Firefox's spellchecker fixed y'all.
Apparently it's down. And the DB is lost, so we're all three weeks back. :-/
Well, that kinda sucks. I don't even think my castles were done yet back then.
On the other hand, three weeks would put things back before you were raped by Dutchy, no? Might give us a chance to build up without the inconvenience of having the crap kicked out of us first... :animesweat
Mebbe. If so, I'll be dropping instantly into peace mode and building troops.
Knowing my luck, what'll happen is that it'll be mere moments after he declared on me... :-/
Galava is down for 2-4 years.
@Tezkat and llearch: Would you guys like to register as thugs you're more than welcome to http://z11.invisionfree.com/West_Side_Thug_Unit/ You can better stay in the loop this way.
already done, some time ago.
Quote from: fisherman on October 03, 2009, 11:31:23 AM
Galava is down for 2-4 years.
@Tezkat and llearch: Would you guys like to register as thugs you're more than welcome to http://z11.invisionfree.com/West_Side_Thug_Unit/ You can better stay in the loop this way.
I've had an account there for ages. You'd just have to re-mask me, I suppose. :3
So... where do the thugz all hang out now that Galava is dead?
many of us are playing imperion. I am not playing anything right now though.