Galava

[Tezkat]

So... did anyone else follow Sandro's LW spam over to his new toy? Kasarn and I are already there. (I'm in his forests, stealin his woods! ) We've got some of the largest empires in the game.


It's very beta. The game's only been open a week, and significant changes to the game balance seem to happen every few days. Oh, and there will be a complete reset in a month or two when the beta ends.

But it does look interesting so far, and I do enjoy testing new games. Certainly, it's missing a lot of the suck that plagued Lunar Wars. You can create provinces with different terrain types, customize military units (even give them names like "Evil Succubus" ), and generally adapt your empire to your playstyle instead of following some cookie cutter progression. There's even a proper market for buying/selling resources.

A lot of the usual CN/LW crowd is there. I'm mulling over what to do about a guild, seeing as how I'm gonna be... uh... "testing the war system" soon. Well, when Sandro actually gets around to coding the war system, that is.

[llearch n'n'daCorna]

Heh. I'll be in there after the beta, I think.

Although I don't really like war, since I seem to be on the sucky end thereof most of the time. Call me paranoid...

[Tezkat]

Well, they are wargames. Heck... one of the stated design goals is to encourage war and prevent the political stagnation that has plagued other games of its type.

I'm not into griefing for the lulz, either (either giving or receiving), but I do enjoy organized conflict. Plus I'm... uh... bigger than everyone else at the moment.

[Kasarn]

Magic reference. Of course, it could change at any time. (and has changed, but I'll leave this up for a reference to what was)
Scroll down or click here

	HOLY
10	Holy Shield	100 Mana	2% unit defense bonus for 24 hours.
15	Stir the Chosen	120 Mana	1% unit attack bonus for 8 hours.
30	Ethereal Light	250 Mana	3% unit defense bonus for 18 hours.
45	Lift the Wounded	300 Mana	Reduces your casualties by 4% for 4 hours.
50	Mend the Broken	450 Mana	2% unit defense bonus for 10 hours.
55	Sacred Sabbath	200 Mana	Reduces your casualties by 4% for 1 hours.
70	Flaming Sword	400 Mana	5% unit attack bonus for 9 hours.
80	Celestial Rain	500 Mana	Damages ~50 enemy structures.
100	Greater Heal	650 Mana	5% unit defense bonus for 15 hours.
	ELEMENTAL
5	Marians' Last Alms	100 Mana	1% food bonus for 48 hours.
10	Plentiful Boughs	200 Mana	5% food bonus for 12 hours.
25	Haste	200 Mana	Reduces your casualties by 2% for 1 hours.
50	Manna From The Heavens	350 Mana	Creates 1000 food.
50	Birth of the Earth	300 Mana	Creates 1000 stone.
50	Elven Blessing	300 Mana	Creates 1000 wood.
75	Split the Earth	350 Mana	Damages ~35 enemy structures.
90	Exodus Winds	950 Mana	Damages ~200 enemy structures.
100	Harvest of Canaan	300 Mana	Creates 1000 food.
125	Sylvan Swords	200 Mana	2% unit attack bonus for 8 hours.
	DARK
10	Smite	150 Mana	Damages ~75 enemy units.
15	Ghastly Shroud	200 Mana	2% unit defense bonus for 9 hours.
30	Iron Fear	250 Mana	3% unit attack bonus for 18 hours.
50	Fireball	300 Mana	Damages ~90 enemy units.
50	Rivers of Mold	300 Mana	Damages ~25 enemy structures.
70	Gossamer Shroud	410 Mana	Reduces your casualties by 5% for 10 hours.
90	Sickle Moon	425 Mana	Damages ~100 enemy units.

[Darkdragon]

I had nothing better to do today so I signed up to see what the hubub is about.

Would the more experienced please shed light so perhaps some newcomers might not be lost in murky darkness? 

EDIT: Here's my underdeveloped, misdirected empire.

[Tezkat]

Hmm... let's see...

Coastal/Mountain is a decent starting combo. Right now, food is king. You might have to sell stone and buy wood to balance out your growth, which is unfortunate since stone is selling for about half the price of wood (and 1/4 the price of food). The resources aren't balanced yet. It's beta.

Your first priority is to get your resource producing buildings (Farms/Mills/Mines) built up. You don't need to build up housing that quickly when you start, because you start fairly far away from your max population. Maybe add a few houses per update until your population reaches 70% cap and then start adding more aggressively. Adding population is actually somewhat bad, because food is so expensive that they eat more than they generate in taxes, but that's likely to change in the near future and you don't want to be caught with too few workers.

Ignore roads and walls. They're useless at the moment.

Set your tax rate to 5%. It's best. By far.

Once you've built all the possible resource buildings, explore to 188 total land. That's when your cap on resource buildings goes up. It goes up again every 75 land thereafter, so it's best to always explore in 75 land blocks (until you can afford to explore more at once, that is). Under the land tab in the province overview, you can explore both lands at once. It's faster and cheaper to do it that way. You probably want to favour the Coastal over the Mountain, since it gives you more food.

Don't worry about progression until you find that you don't have enough market capacity to buy or sell what you need. Market cap increases with progression. Progression also unlocks things like research bonuses to production, weapons, magic, and extra provinces, but you're not anywhere near the point where that matters yet.

If you want a quick buff, put 10 of any resource up on the market for 10k each. There's no foreign aid system in place, but we can do market tricks like that to exchange funds. Don't worry. 100k gold is nothing to a nation my size.

[Darkdragon]

I see. I noticed how terrible the macroeconomics is in the game. Thanks for the pointers and the buff. 

PS: I don't understand your province naming scheme... I'm sure there is some hidden deep meaning to it - I always try to include one in creative naming.

[Tezkat]

They're locations from Smoke and Mirrors, the backstory of the Furrae version of my character. I use a heavily stylized dialect of classical Nahuatl for the names and native language.

Myktlan (MEEK-tlan, literally "land of death") is a small, mostly rainforested nation ruled by Demons, where the primitive Being communities war over the right to be eaten. That's where the Incubus Tezkat spent much of his childhood.

Quamyztepek (kwah-meess-TEH-pek, literally "mountains of the eagle-lions" but usually translated as "Gryphon Peaks") is a range of very tall, jagged mountains separating Myktlan from the rest of the mainland.

[Darkdragon]

Ah, is that so? I practically learnt Elvish (Sindarin) for naming systematically.

Shall we consider starting a guild there? I'm tired of the half-dozen invites I got...

EDIT: I've spent all the gold you gave And the economics of the game is awful.

[Tezkat]

Form a guild? Maybe if there were more of us...

I don't really want to do the tiny, uninvolved guild thing in Galava. Maybe on the tourney server, where all the guilds are small and people can beat the crap each other with little consequence.  On the main server, I'd prefer to have a larger army at my back should I decide to throw might weight around a little.


And, yeah... the market is a little messed up right now. I'll probably have some more cash to aid you soon. I just blew nearly 8 mil gold on progression jumps.

[Tezkat]

Darkdragon asked for data on progression costs to play with. Here are the resource costs all the way up to 301. (Multiply x100 for gold costs.)

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Have fun.

[Kasarn]

Well, I went ahead and created the DMFA guild. Join, or don't and maybe I'll change the name to Not a Guild <NaG> or something

[Tezkat]

Yay for micro-alliances. It amuses me that we're still on the front page by unit count.

Any interest in forming diplomatic ties with other guilds?

Of course, there's that merger thing with the Mercs that needs a response.

I've also become pretty friendly with the Thugz' leadership. We've been sharing a lot of game mechanics data and such. Despite the gangsta wannabe RP thing they have going, they're actually a bunch of geeky college students who all know each other from school in RL. It might be useful to do some kind of treaty once we get more members.


Out of curiosity... how many of you not-yet-playing peeps are interested in joining us after the beta ends? Galava is shaping up to be pretty cool.

[llearch n'n'daCorna]

I'd be in for "after beta", I think.

[Darkdragon]

After given a sudden burst of desire to know, I have compiled a chart listing all the guild listing (of minimum 2 people) as of about now and found that we have some of the highest resource to member count ratios. For example, We have a progression : Member ratio of 345 progression, ranked #3, with two other micro-alliances above us (Mercenaries for Hire and United Jonesistania).

We also come in third for most military units per member, topping out at 4876 and a third units per member. Considering I have none at the moment, that's a rather formidable number.

*Drum Roll Please* We top the charts with most land per person, with 13+2/3 k land per person, AND most gold per person, with 3 million 774 thousand gold per person, overtaking second place by 1,648,500 gold.

Well, that certainly made me feel much better regarding our alliance. 

[Kasarn]

Any interest in forming diplomatic ties with other guilds?

Not especially. /shrug
But, if you aren't going to defect to a real alliance, you can be MoFA if you want

Actually, with three members, we can be a Triumvirate. Hooray, promotions for everybody!

[Tezkat]

It doesn't really matter for the beta, but a small guild with this many powergamers kinda has a gigantic target painted on it. Galava doesn't really have the culture of protectorates that CN does, mainly because most of the guilds are pretty small, so the only real form of protection would be to make friends and influence people.

Or stay in hippie mode the whole game...


In other news, it amuses me that I personally have more troops than all of \m/.

[Kasarn]

The new magic, much of which was picked up from the Galava forums
Note that all of the Structure attack spells were nerfed... however, I can only update the spells that I have.

App HOLY                         Cost      Effect                   Duration
10  Holy Shield                  75 Mana   1% Military Defense      4 hours
14  Worm of Asclepius            75 Mana   1% Military Attack       4 hours
20  Protect the Chosen           85 Mana   2% Military Defense      4 hours
23  Celestial Rain               85 Mana   2% Military Attack       3 hours
30  Cleanse the Unclean          95 Mana   2% Military Defense      5 hours
35  Holy Shock                   100 Mana  ~20 Structures Destroyed Instant
40  Reflective Shield            105 Mana  3% Structure Defense     2 days
50  Sacred Sabbath               110 Mana  3% Military Defense      4 hours
??  Lesser Heal                  115 Mana  2% Military Defense      3 days
??  Architect the Nebuchadrezzar 130 Mana  2% Construction Bonus    2 hours
100~Mend the Broken              160 Mana  4% Military Defense      4 hours

App ELEMENTAL               Cost      Effect                    Duration
10  Conjure Food            75 Mana   1% Food Bonus             1 day
13  Conjure Wood            75 Mana   1% Wood Bonus             1 day
16  Conjure Stone           75 Mana   1% Stone Bonus            1 day
24  Meteorites              135 Mana  ~10 Structures Destroyed  Instant
30  Spring of Trout         140 Mana  2% Food Bonus             1 day
36  Demiurge of Wood        140 Mana  2% Wood Bonus             1 day
42  Avalanche of Stone      140 Mana  2% Stone Bonus            1 day
52  Thousand Arms of Brahma 145 Mana  4% Construction Bonus     2 hours
60  Split the Earth         160 Mana  ~20 Structures Destroyed  Instant
68  Druid's Blessing        165 Mana  3% Food Bonus             1 day
76  Elven Blessing          165 Mana  3% Wood Bonus             1 day
84  Gaia's Blessing         165 Mana  3% Stone Bonus            1 day
100 Sylvan Swords           170 Mana  2% Military Attack        2 hours
110 Shedding of Sticks      185 Mana  3% Food Bonus             3 days
120 Harvest of the Orchard  185 Mana  3% Wood Bonus             3 days
130 Genesis of Stone        185 Mana  3% Stone Bonus            3 days
150 Exodus Winds            195 Mana  ~30 Structures Destroyed  Instant
170 Hardened Will           200 Mana  2% Structure Defense      12 hours
190 Plentiful Boughs        220 Mana  5% Food Bonus             1 day
200 Regrowth                220 Mana  5% Wood Bonus             1 day
210 Earthbloom              220 Mana  5% Stone Bonus            1 day
220 Caduceus Flash          245 Mana  8% Construction Bonus     1 day 12 hours
260 Entropic Bolt           255 Mana  ~40 Structures Destroyed  Instant
290 Marians' Last Alms      270 Mana  7% Food Bonus             1 day
300 Lifebloom               270 Mana  7% Wood Bonus             1 day
310 Birth of the Earth      270 Mana  7% Stone Bonus            1 day
340 Meteor                  285 Mana  ~50 Structures Destroyed  Instant
360 Solomon's Guide         300 Mana  12% Construction Bonus    1 day 12 hours
380 Lightning               315 Mana  ~60 Structures Destroyed  Instant
400 Springs of the Void     350 Mana  10% Food Bonus            1 day 12 hours
433 ?                       350 Mana  10% Wood Bonus            1 day 12 hours
466~?                       350 Mana  10% Stone Bonus           1 day 12 hours

App DARK                    Cost      Effect                    Duration
10  Smite                   75 Mana   1% Military Attack        4 hours
14  Poison                  90 Mana   1% Military Attack        10 hours
20  Unholy Shield           85 Mana   1% Military Defense       4 hours
30  Salt the Wounds         95 Mana   2% Military Attack        4 hours
34  Fireball                100 Mana  ~25 Structures Destroyed  Instant
42  Creeping Death          105 Mana  2% Military Attack        10 hours
??  Dark Barrier            110 Mana  2% Structure Defense      1 day
??  Wasting Sickness        115 Mana  3% Military Attack        4 hours
??  Premonition of Rapture  120 Mana  3% Military Attack        10 hours
??  Oblivion                130 Mana  ~60 Structures Destroyed  Instant
??  Typhus Dirge            160 Mana  4% Military Attack        4 hours
??  Venomous Knives         170 Mana  4% Military Attack        10 hours
??  Whisper the Insane      180 Mana  ~100 Structures Destroyed Instant
??  Phantom Garrote         190 Mana  5% Military Attack        4 hours
??  Sear the Soul           200 Mana  5% Military Attack        10 hours
??  Obliteration            205 Mana  140 Structures Destroyed  Instant
??  Sickle Moon             210 Mana  6% Military Attack        4 hours
??  Rivers of Mold          215 Mana  ~190 Structures Destroyed Instant
??  Iron Fear               220 Mana  6% Military Attack        10 hours
??  Banshee Scream          230 Mana  7% Military Attack        4 hours
??  Ghastly Shroud          240 Mana  2% Military Defense       4 hours
??  Kiss of the Forgotten   250 Mana  8% Military Attack        4 hours
??  Cull the Earth          260 Mana  ~230 Structures Destroyed Instant
250~Crushing Fist of Thanos 270 Mana  ~275 Structures Destroyed Instant

[Tezkat]

Updated Armory list, courtesy of our thuggish friends...




Melee Weapons:
Bone Knife 1 Points 1 0
Flint Dagger 3 Points 1-4 0
Bronze Sword 5 Points 4-6 0
Simple Sword 7 Points 8 0
Iron Blade 10 Points 8-10 0
Long Spear 13 Points 11-13 0-2
Iron Mace 16 Points 15 2-4
Basilard 19 Points 17-21 0-2
Steel Sabre 22 Points 25 0
Battle Axe 26 Points 28 2-3
Ivory Basilard 29 Points 33 2
Warhammer 33 Points 28-36 4
Scimitar 37 Points 40-45 1
Steel Long Sword 41 Points 44 3
Great Sword 45 Points 49 3-5
Dagger of Defense 49 Points 48 12
Doubled Edged Sagaris 53 Points 58 5
Claymore 58 Points 65-67 3
Steel Broadsword 62 Points 70 3-4
Hardened Katana 67 Points 80-84 0
Polished Sword 71 Points 82 5-6
Morningstar 81 Points 90-93 10
Double Headed Labrys 86 Points 98 9
Zweihander 91 Points 110 5

Melee Armor:
Leather Armor 1 Points 0 1
Iron Boots 3 Points 0 4
Simple Hat 5 Points 0 6
Simple Chain 7 Points 0 8
Bleached Leather Armor 10 Points 0 11-13
Brigandine 13 Points 0 15
Judo Gi 16 Points 0 15-20
Chainmail 19 Points 0 20-23
Jujitsu Gi 22 Points 0 26
Heavy Gauntlet 26 Points 1 30
Lamellar Armor 29 Points 0 34
Karate Gi 33 Points 0 35-41
Haut Brigandine 37 Points 0 44
Rusted Plate 45 Points 0 55

Ranged Weapons:
Throwing Knife 1 Points 1 0
Simple Bow 3 Points 2-4 0
Flimsy Harpoon 5 Points 5 1
Flimsy Crossbow 7 Points 8 0
Wooden Bow 10 Points 10-12 0
Javelin 13 Points 12-14 2
Shuriken 16 Points 15-20 0
Light Crossbow 19 Points 20-24 0
Short Bow 22 Points 22-28 0
Hand Crossbow 26 Points 23-34 0
Harpoon 29 Points 32 3
Swift Bow 33 Points 30-42 0
Long Bow 37 Points 37-48 0
Throwing Axe 41 Points 41-49 4
Compound Bow 45 Points 46-55 0
Crossbow 49 Points 58 0
Recurve Bow 53 Points 56-65 0
Steel Harpoon 58 Points 60-67 5

Ranged Armor:
Light Boots 1 Points 0 1
Silk Shirt 3 Points 0 3-4
Hunters Gloves 5 Points 1 5
Leather Helmet 7 Points 0 7-8
Brittle Shield 10 Points 0 10-12
Padded Leather 13 Points 0 13
Thick Cloak 16 Points 0 15-18
Wooden Shield 19 Points 0 18-24
Chain Mail 22 Points 0 25
Juniper Coat 26 Points 0 30
Medium Shield 29 Points 0 33-35
Compound Silk Jacket 33 Points 0 35-40
Layered Silk Vest 37 Points 0 40-46
Copper Shield 41 Points 0 49
Barbed Leather 45 Points 0 53
Pitted Leather 49 Points 0 58
Sauternes Leather 53 Points 0 64-65

Magic Weapons:
Wooden Staff 1 Points 1 0
Rod 3 Points 4 0
Enchanted Rod 5 Points 6 0
Sorcerers Ring 7 Points 8 0
Wand 10 Points 12 0
Power Rod 13 Points 14-16 0
Oak Staff 16 Points 18-19 0
Sage's Potion 19 Points 20 3-4
Mystic Tablet 22 Points 26 0
Blessed Oak Staff 26 Points 29 0
Spell Book 29 Points 33 0
Spell Tonic 33 Points 35 5
Bloodstone Dagger 37 Points 43 0
Force Staff 41 Points 47 1
Mythril Trumpet 45 Points 40-55 0
Jade Staff 49 Points 57 0
Rod of Trickery 53 Points 62 0
Sylph Staff 58 Points 70 0
Flare Staff 62 Points 77 0

Magic Armor:
Plain Robes 1 Points 0 1
Silk Robes 3 Points 0 3
Thick Coat 5 Points 0 5
Force Charm 7 Points 2 5
Cantrip Robes 10 Points 1-3 10
Light Shield Charm 13 Points 3-5 11
Enchanted Robes 16 Points 4 15
Leather Garments 19 Points 0 21
Enchanted Longcoat 22 Points 3 23
Ring of Protection 26 Points 4-6 22-26
Barons Ring 29 Points 5 30
Fur Wrap 33 Points 0 37
Enchanted Footwear 37 Points 1 43
Aristocrats Dress 41 Points 0 44-49
Ring of Shielding 45 Points 5 50
Enchanted Robe 49 Points 2-6 54
Rivers Thread 53 Points 3-5 60
The Seventeen Seas 58 Points 2 70

[Kasarn]

The magic weapon Rod of Trickery was fixed to 62 attack.

The next couple of magic armours are:
Ring of Shielding  45 Points  5    50
Enchanted Robe     49 Points  2-6  54
Rivers Thread      53 Points  3-5  60

[Tezkat]

Updated the weapon list again.

We also have a tentative protectorate offer from the West Side Thug Unit. Anyone interested?

The war system looks like it'll be done in the next week or so...

[Kasarn]

[insert image of Neutral Planet President here]

I have no strong feelings one way or the other.

[Darkdragon]

[insert image of Neutral Planet President here]

I have no strong feelings one way or the other.

Agreeth.

[Ganurath]

Here I am, making all my mistakes now so I'll be better in the Beta.

[Kasarn]

Here I am, making all my mistakes now so I'll be better in the Beta.

This is the beta; it's just not a perpetual beta...
The DMFA guild is at http://galava.net/guild?id=285 if you want to join.


And does anybody have an idea for a name? Keep in mind that it can only be 25 characters long.
I was originally thinking of something like llearch's original LW alliance name Deep Moon Fishing Adventures (which is too long)
Deep Moor Fishing Arena
Dark Moor Fishing Arena

[Ganurath]

Divine Mainland Forest Alliance?

[llearch n'n'daCorna]

That's 31 characters, Ganurath.

[Darkdragon]

Why Fishing?

[llearch n'n'daCorna]

Why not?

You could always go for, oh, say, Dart Moor Foreign Allies, or Deep Mine Fish Ambit...

[Valynth]

I decided to jump on this band wagon and see what all the noise and mile-long posting is about.  http://galava.net/user?id=5014