Ex: 05/03/2010 [AS2 #100] Such a dominating personality

[Scow2]

There is a quote, the only way for evil to succeed is for a good man to do nothing. I.e: Abel's inaction is just as bad as what Aniz has done in the past. Because he let it happen.

Then I take it you hold everyone else who could've stopped Aniz but didn't, such as Fa'Lina, equally responsible? Or does being a blood relative confer some sort of special judicial responsibility upon Abel?

A short trip to memory would have revealed that Fa'lina would indeed do it but she is caught up in high politics as one of the more important cubi around there . As lower downs, Abel , Aary and Dee can actually afford to do things she cannot due to being unimportant

So why didn't Aary and Dee do it without Abel? Or take the initiative in getting Abel to stop Aniz? Did either of them come to him with a plan to tell him what he needs to do to stop him? If not, because Abel doesn't give a damn about the existence of his father, the fault is more theirs than his... And again, stopping Aniz still wouldn't have made Abel contact his mother. He was only an excuse, not the cause.

[Turnsky]

i never thought i'd haveta use this, but. the fact you're getting so up in arms over this, CONTINUALLY, i might add, just screams "pay attention to me". It's also apparent that you do seem to be baiting a few people, whether or not this is intentional, i cannot say.

i never said Abel was good or bad, just that he does need to be delivered a reality check now and again to realize that he needs to come out of that proverbial box he's hidden himself in.

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In other words, she decided that her political considerations were more important than stopping a murderer. Practical, perhaps, but of dubious morality. Aary and Dee, of course, are quite capable of handling the matter, although they don't seem to have gotten around to it for some reason. I'm still not sure why it falls to a woefully inexperienced 'cubi with haemophobia to resolve the matter, though.

Dubious morality? She knows how to set priorities!  And yes, the future of the cubi race is more important than one murderer, especially since he did not kill any cubi .... and there are others that are both capable and willing to deal with him.

I guess they are waiting since it would both be good for abel and really neat if they can get his son to help them - would go right to aniz's face - Dee has said it already after all,

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 So why didn't Aary and Dee do it without Abel? Or take the initiative in getting Abel to stop Aniz? Did either of them come to him with a plan to tell him what he needs to do to stop him? If not, because Abel doesn't give a damn about the existence of his father, the fault is more theirs than his... And again, stopping Aniz still wouldn't have made Abel contact his mother. He was only an excuse, not the cause.

Probably they think nagging him until he takes action , then supporting him is somehow better - i am not saying they are infallible, especially Aaryanna seems to have a case of mental block when around him (heck, and i thought this happens to men only)
As for excuse - when an excuse stops existing it cannot be used anymore, not to mention it would be  a lot better if he could say to her "don't be afraid anymore, that swine will harm no one" with a finger motion on the neck. than just coming with nothing up.
All in all Abel is a coward. It is understandable, certainly, many people are cowards, but it is the fact.

EDIT: Argh! Doublepost!
It seems i am really getting worked up over this topic

[Keleth]

when it's more likely Abel can't move on with his life because his brain is permanently fucked up on a chemical level from the severe trauma he suffered.

I KNEW IT!

Being overly emo causes brain damage!

[Scow2]

As for excuse - when an excuse stops existing it cannot be used anymore, not to mention it would be  a lot better if he could say to her "don't be afraid anymore, that swine will harm no one" with a finger motion on the neck. than just coming with nothing up.
All in all Abel is a coward. It is understandable, certainly, many people are cowards, but it is the fact.

Aniz isn't what scared Abel from seeing his mom... May was the one Abel was afraid of. He'd rather not know what she thought of him than risk learning she really hated him. He believed she would see him as a monster as bad as his father. I'm not contesting that Abel is a coward, but the issue is his cowardice is understandable and sympathetic, considering his life.

when it's more likely Abel can't move on with his life because his brain is permanently fucked up on a chemical level from the severe trauma he suffered.

I KNEW IT!

Being overly emo causes brain damage!

Ow... just... ow. Please stop talking... Please. It hurts.

While you may be trying to mock the seriousness of this issue... it is not a laughing matter.

Abel's brain was screwed up when pretty much everyone he knew ended up dead over the span of a few days, most of them being brutally murdered before him (He doesn't have the benefit of watching in a stylized comic strip...) and reduced to a pile of stray gibs, stumbling upon a previous massacre, experiencing the actual dying thoughts of one of those people he knew, then having his entire life turned upside down when his own father, a man he held as his primary role model, turned out to be just the "skin" worn by a murderous monstrosity responsible for completely destroying whatever life Abel had managed to build prior to his 23rd birthday...

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when it's more likely Abel can't move on with his life because his brain is permanently fucked up on a chemical level from the severe trauma he suffered.

I KNEW IT!

Being overly emo causes brain damage!

Cause and effect mixed up there buddy.

[Mrs_A_ZeTavia]

i never thought i'd haveta use this, but. the fact you're getting so up in arms over this, CONTINUALLY, i might add, just screams "pay attention to me". It's also apparent that you do seem to be baiting a few people, whether or not this is intentional, i cannot say.

i never said Abel was good or bad, just that he does need to be delivered a reality check now and again to realize that he needs to come out of that proverbial box he's hidden himself in.

Personally, while reading the majority of this "discussion"........I have to completely agree with Turnsky here on this Scow2. You're starting to remind me of my sister and my dad, who just love to argue until they are proven right........

And Turnsky, props on the image, I found it humorous! 

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What image??

[Mrs_A_ZeTavia]

What image??

Can you not see the image of the Great Wall of China with "Blah, Blah, Blah....." written all along side it that Turnsky used to replace Scow2's text with?

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Oh - it did not display i just saw an empty field.
I had to load it manually now, but yes, it characterises it well, although almost half bricks are mine,
Let's just say that most of the characters involved are like marmite... one either loves them or hates them.

[Mao]

Man... seriously?  Seriously?

You guys are still beating this dead horse?  How sad.  Go outside or something, take a couple of deep breaths and reassess your life.  It's apparently gone terribly wrong.  You're obsessing folks, and not only are you obsessing, but you're being lame about it.  It was interesting and topical a month or so ago.  Now it's just tired, lame and pointless cross thread baiting/flaming.

I repeat, go outside.

[Damaris]

 


Fix the tone, or I'm foiling this puppy.

[AGE00]

Man, I'm glad I went to bed after my last post... 

In other words, she decided that her political considerations were more important than stopping a murderer. Practical, perhaps, but of dubious morality. Aary and Dee, of course, are quite capable of handling the matter, although they don't seem to have gotten around to it for some reason. I'm still not sure why it falls to a woefully inexperienced 'cubi with haemophobia to resolve the matter, though.

Dubious morality? She knows how to set priorities!  And yes, the future of the cubi race is more important than one murderer, especially since he did not kill any cubi .... and there are others that are both capable and willing to deal with him.

I guess they are waiting since it would both be good for abel and really neat if they can get his son to help them - would go right to aniz's face - Dee has said it already after all,

Truth be told, whilst I find Fa'Lina to be a bit too controlling, I don't have any great problems with her. All I really mean to say is that I don't see how Aniz is Abel's responsibility, but not that of any of the literally dozens of 'cubi and other creatures more qualified to deal with him. Personally, I'd advocate hiring some adventurers and setting them on Aniz, if something really must be done about him.

[Prof B Hunnydew]

Truth be told, whilst I find Fa'Lina to be a bit too controlling, I don't have any great problems with her. All I really mean to say is that I don't see how Aniz is Abel's responsibility, but not that of any of the literally dozens of 'cubi and other creatures more qualified to deal with him. Personally, I'd advocate hiring some adventurers and setting them on Aniz, if something really must be done about him.

Fa'Lina has to be controlling to keep most of these kitties and puppies in line.  The Cubi race is close to extinction, if the number of active clans and clan memberships are any indication.  Sure they are tough to kill, but they have alot of tough enemies.  Fa'Lina knows that her school maybe their only sanctuary. 


Hiring adventurers to kill Aniz, I think that has been tried.  And Why Dee and AAry after Abel?  Well, Abel could be used as bait to flush Aniz, since no one can seem to find him.  At least that may be their thinking.

PBH

[AGE00]

Fa'Lina has to be controlling to keep most of these kitties and puppies in line.  The Cubi race is close to extinction, if the number of active clans and clan memberships are any indication.  Sure they are tough to kill, but they have alot of tough enemies.  Fa'Lina knows that her school maybe their only sanctuary. 


Hiring adventurers to kill Aniz, I think that has been tried.  And Why Dee and AAry after Abel?  Well, Abel could be used as bait to flush Aniz, since no one can seem to find him.  At least that may be their thinking.

PBH

Hey, I didn't say that Fa'Lina's behaviour wasn't justifiable. I'm not saying that it is, either. I'm just saying that it rubs me the wrong way. God forbid that the way a fictional character chooses to comport herself fails to meet with my approval. 

As for the adventurer thing... Send more. There isn't a shortage. Hell, hypothetically a 'cubi could literally breed a party of adventurers specifically for the job, given the sort of timescale we're working with. Use magic to create appropriate breeding pairs and guarantee a timely conception, give the parents five or six years to house break the sprogs, then, one Formative Traumatic Experience later, swoop in at the funerals as an old friend of the family, scoop the kids up and ship them off to some hastily cobbled together Hogwarts, where they bond over their shared misfortune and are trained in the various skills required to make them effective adventurers. Probably wouldn't take much more than a couple of decades. Simples.

All that tomfoolery aside, though, my only point is that, given Abel's youth, inexperience and general unsuitability for combat, I don't think tackling Aniz is really his responsibility,  and that's without even addressing his lack of objectivity, which could only complicate matters.

[joshofspam]

Truth be told, whilst I find Fa'Lina to be a bit too controlling, I don't have any great problems with her. All I really mean to say is that I don't see how Aniz is Abel's responsibility, but not that of any of the literally dozens of 'cubi and other creatures more qualified to deal with him. Personally, I'd advocate hiring some adventurers and setting them on Aniz, if something really must be done about him.

Fa'Lina has to be controlling to keep most of these kitties and puppies in line.  The Cubi race is close to extinction, if the number of active clans and clan memberships are any indication.  Sure they are tough to kill, but they have alot of tough enemies.  Fa'Lina knows that her school maybe their only sanctuary. 


Hiring adventurers to kill Aniz, I think that has been tried.  And Why Dee and AAry after Abel?  Well, Abel could be used as bait to flush Aniz, since no one can seem to find him.  At least that may be their thinking.

PBH

One thing  I wonder about is how Fa'lina Runs the academy?

Is their meeting with the whole academic and other resource people that help Fa'lina run it, or are they given free reign until Fa'lina sense's something she doesn't like then pops in and says no way drop that idea before I drop you?

I would guess that when you have student and faculty that can tear eachother limb from limb it would make sense to use tough love  to make them think before they do something really stupid.

I would think if Abel throws a punch he might be thrown like he throw Dan when Dan lost his temper and violence escalating from theirmight end up getting Abel taken By the ear by Fa'lina and Some Taun and Owona's escorting Destania the other way.

Which brings to point something I thought about. Did Abel learn from Destania or did Abel and Destanai possibly share the same teachers of Taun and Owona clan members?

In a way this might be a comparable form of the education system that had patling for are old schools only a padle wouldn't quite do the trick. Ouch!!!

[Prof B Hunnydew]

As for the adventurer thing... Send more.

Kria has most likely been sending adventurers, and even Demon adventurers, too, out to get him.  And she still has not found him, either.

Cubi can stay hidden, very well. So long as he doesn't make a nuisance of himself, he can hide in plain sight.  I'm sure he has lots of practice.

PBH

[Drayco84]

Geez, I can't believe that I'm getting involved with this...

If Aniz has so many enemies already, why does Abel have to be the one to do anything? To our cookies-and-cream incubus, Aniz isn't an enemy. He was simply a trauma. I dunno if Abel would have contacted his mother even if Aniz didn't threaten to kill her for it. He even admits it was merely a convenient excuse to stay away (My biggest point of contention with Mao isn't that Abel is cowardly, it's how much sympathy/ire he deserves for it).

Which is ONLY shadowed by how I can't believe that it took me so freaking long to realize this... Yes, Abel is scared of Aniz, and yes, he could have done something to stop him. But, that's only ONE of his fears... His worst fear, one that I don't think I've ever heard ANYONE mention, is coming home and listening to his mother call him "monster".

Yeah, you guys mull on that for a while. Dan doesn't have this issue because Destania is... Well... Destania, and Edward knew what he was getting into. May, on the other hand, had been tricked into thinking that not only was her beloved still alive, but that he was right next to her for all that time. So now... I understand Abel a lot more here. He WASN'T avoiding Aniz, he was avoiding MAY.

And really, I can't blame him in the slightest for not wanting to seek revenge. Aary has done nothing but belittle him about his situation, and Destania has vowed vengance. And really, if Aniz has SOOOOO many enemies, WHY CAN'T THEY DO THEIR OWN DAMN DIRTY WORK?! Granted, Abel could be a lot nicer to his elders, but Aary could also be a lot nicer in return and Destania... Just how the frig DID Dan manage to avoid pre-natal frostbite anyway?! For that matter, does Edward still even have a wang?

Regardless, let's hope Dan doesn't teach Abel anger...

[Arcblade]

Regardless, let's hope Dan doesn't teach Abel anger...

I don't think that's an issue.  He's got anger already. 

Also: darn you, TV Tropes, I need my evening to study!