03/28/10 [Clan Leaders 13] - I'm a Genie in a bottle...

[seuta]

The concept of "Beauty" differs from culture to culture. To make things more difficult, the "ideal" standards even change over time. It used to be that a voluptuous figure was ideal in the earlier 1900s, at least in western culture. Now, however, the ideal is a thin body with unrealistically heavy breasts. (All I know about the standards of beauty for men is that I don't have it.)

Still, you've got a have a crapton of pride in yourself to even consider walking around while wearing something like that... And that's something I can respect. (Mostly because I don't like removing my shirt while wearing swim trunks... T_T)

The standard of beauty in a man is basically:
Six foot something
Golden brown tan/skin
Dark, short, styled and shiny hair
Clean shaven
Eyes of blue colour, a strong, proud face, straight and white teeth
"Toned body" not in the sense of being healthy thin with good muscle definition, but well defined EVERYTHING. 
An ass you can bounce quarters off of

Species I would say she is ursine in some regard, that is what comes to me looking at her.  Love her outfit though it brings back horrible memories of being tormented by a belly dancer in a Greek style restaurant in Florida when I was like 10 years old.  Of course by tormented I mean being embarrassed.

[Psaakyrn]

My standard of beauty in a man is basically:
Six foot something
Golden brown tan/skin
Dark, short, styled and shiny hair
Clean shaven
Eyes of blue colour, a strong, proud face, straight and white teeth
"Toned body" not in the sense of being healthy thin with good muscle definition, but well defined EVERYTHING.  
An ass you can bounce quarters off of

Just because you think that's the standard of beauty doesn't make you right.

[Nino]

My standard of beauty in a man is basically:
Six foot something
Golden brown tan/skin
Dark, short, styled and shiny hair
Clean shaven
Eyes of blue colour, a strong, proud face, straight and white teeth
"Toned body" not in the sense of being healthy thin with good muscle definition, but well defined EVERYTHING.  
An ass you can bounce quarters off of

Just because you think that's the standard of beauty doesn't make you right.

I think (and really hope) she meant "society's" there because otherwise that's a really boring idea of what a man should look like =p Every quality on that list is like classic Hollywood normal.

Also, all of Amber's curvy characters have huge jugs

[Lego3400]

I did some quick math out of boredom and added up the total number of cubi in clans we've seen thus far (including the leaders) and it comes to a total of 1301. If you toss in Abel and Ary who aren't members of a clan with a leader,that brings us to 1303. I'm hesitant to add Aniz to my count as we don't know what happened between Abel's story and the present.

[Mrs_A_ZeTavia]

I did some quick math out of boredom and added up the total number of cubi in clans we've seen thus far (including the leaders) and it comes to a total of 1301. If you toss in Abel and Ary who aren't members of a clan with a leader,that brings us to 1303. I'm hesitant to add Aniz to my count as we don't know what happened between Abel's story and the present.

1,303 out of 30,000...... .......wow! 

[entropicage]

What. She looks like one doesn't she. Bit chubby though

Pleasantly plump.

Zaftig.

I'd go with Rubenesque.

Rubensesque.

Or Romanesque works too. I've been called that before.
Or just simply "whoa"

[Mao]

While I'm not a fan of the bigger ladies myself, I have to say there's nothing ugly about this clan leader at all.  To say that she should cover up seems amusing to me.  It's a matter of pride my friends and really, she's right to not cover up.  She's got nothing to be ashamed of.  In fact, she should be proud of herself.  That belly is perfect for shaking and that figure is perfect for dancing.  More power to her.

[Turnsky]

you know, it never fails to amuse me how shallow & distorted some folk's perceptions on a 'perfect' female form actually is..

while a normal person would wonder how this could be, being who i am, and somewhat cynical at best, i can only come up with one reason:





now, this isn't a needle at anybody in particular, just those who think a succubus ought to be Slim/toned/athletic builds.

[psilorder]

you know, it never fails to amuse me how shallow & distorted some folk's perceptions on a 'perfect' female form actually is..

while a normal person would wonder how this could be, being who i am, and somewhat cynical at best, i can only come up with one reason:





now, this isn't a needle at anybody in particular, just those who think a succubus ought to be Slim/toned/athletic builds.

how is it shallow really?
i get it when someone goes for beauty over personality but beyond that, if we look at just the form, how is it shallow? if it is supposed to be their image of "perfect" ? or is it shallow because they HAVE an image of perfection?

and distorted, i get it when it becomes unhealthy (which it can in both directions for both genders. there are people turned on by people who should loose weight basicly to not die), but as long as it doesnt cause health problems, why is it distorted?
(if we're talking expectations however, then yeah, people might have a distorted expectation of themselves and others as to the physical form)

[Alondro]

*Charline is not affected by notions of beauty; however, she finds the extra weight of this leader a useful diversion from her own evil ways!*  She's plump because of all the Beings she's been eating!  *points finger accusingly!*  I, on the other paw, am thin and therefore have not eaten as many!  Or... any!  Yes, I haven't eaten any!  That's why I'm thin!  While SHE has clearly been gorging on Beings! 

*evil grin*  Yes, that distraction will do nicely... *goes off to empty an orphanage*  >:9

[Talonr]

I find myself having to giggle at all the comments that have been made from people implying that her having curves would make her a better bellydancer.

A dance is a dance, regardless of your size, and as long as you know the moves and have the grace, then it looks good.  My teacher is stick thin, and she's beautiful to watch.  Myself and my sister-in-law are both more weighty, and we're just as good dancers.  I would never say we're better than her just because we have a belly where she doesn't, nor would I say that someone of Piflak's size is better than us just because her belly is bigger.  What Piflak has here is a wonderful self-confidence for her chosen size.  And I do say "chosen" because as it has already been mentioned before, a cubi can make themselves look like -anything-.  It seems to me that she chose this form for reasons important to her, possibly because the area that she lives in sees body weight as a sign of wealth, or perhaps just because she really likes to turn people's heads by standing out.

Also, I'd have to throw  my own vote towards ursine for her species.  Everything about her just screams 'bear' to me, and if there's one thing I've noticed in Amber's art, it's that she usually portrays larger species of animal as larger characters *elephants, rhinos, cows, all of these when we've seen them in the comic have always been weighty* and a bear is most certainly a hefty animal.

[VAE]

   
Curves of all sizes FTW!! 

I agree! As we say in my country, bones are for a dog - a man likes to have meat!

[Mao]

I find myself having to giggle at all the comments that have been made from people implying that her having curves would make her a better bellydancer.

You can giggle at my preferences all you like.  I find a dancer to be far, far more appealing if the body she's moving has some nice curves to it.  Though I didn't make any comment about her ability as a belly dancer, merely that I felt her figure was perfect for it.  Which is strictly personal preference.

You can make things that are, by technical definition, perfect and still have them not be liked.  Conversely, you have things that are considered technically flawed and have them be widely popular.  Technical ability has nothing to do with personal preferences.

[LionHeart]

The standard of beauty in a man is basically:
Six foot something
Golden brown tan/skin
Dark, short, styled and shiny hair
Clean shaven
Eyes of blue colour, a strong, proud face, straight and white teeth
"Toned body" not in the sense of being healthy thin with good muscle definition, but well defined EVERYTHING. 
An ass you can bounce quarters off of

You forgot "Independently wealthy" and "Drives a Mercedes 380SL".

The rest of that description fits James Bond.

[Mao]

The rest of that description fits James Bond.

Hey, I'm straight, don't even like the character or the movies and even I can say this with comfort:  James Bond is sexy.. sexy man.

[VAE]

You can giggle at my preferences all you like.  I find a dancer to be far, far more appealing if the body she's moving has some nice curves to it.  Though I didn't make any comment about her ability as a belly dancer, merely that I felt her figure was perfect for it.  Which is strictly personal preference.

it seems funny that despite the initial disagreement back in the IRC i find myself agreeing with more and more of your opinions...
Although i prefer a somewhat more bottom-heavy look myself, i agree that this clan leader looks nice and well fit for the belly dancing.

[Mao]

it seems funny that despite the initial disagreement back in the IRC i find myself agreeing with more and more of your opinions...
Although i prefer a somewhat more bottom-heavy look myself, i agree that this clan leader looks nice and well fit for the belly dancing.

You shouldn't say that out loud.  Word on the street is that I'm a troll.

[Suwako]

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it seems funny that despite the initial disagreement back in the IRC i find myself agreeing with more and more of your opinions...
Although i prefer a somewhat more bottom-heavy look myself, i agree that this clan leader looks nice and well fit for the belly dancing.

You mentioned the IRC, The IRC does not exist!

IRC? what IRC?

Also, I disagree with both of you, because I can. Though I do not mind a bit of meat on women in my eye it can get unattractive and painful to watch. Everyone has their own border on what is visually pleasurable and mine is different than yours. I did not see to need for this discussion to go on like this from the start, albeit I somewhat foresaw it after a few opinions where stated as indisputable facts, which they clearly are not.

[Chakat Blackspots]

Oh hey!!!! the elephant from http://missmab.com/Comics/Ab_043.php is part of clan piklak

Oh, the cheetah there looks like Sari from Cats 'N Cameras comic

Anyone have brain bleach?

Seriously?  If you don't like it, don't say anything.  Besides, a little fat always looks good, thick (aka pleasantly plump) is better than skin and bones.

Also, wow, there are some seriously picky people here.

--SNIP--
Also, all of Amber's curvy characters have huge jugs D:

That's what makes curvy girls so special.

[entropicage]

Oh hey!!!! the elephant from http://missmab.com/Comics/Ab_043.php is part of clan piklak

Oh, the cheetah there looks like Sari from Cats 'N Cameras comic

That's cause that's Sari from Cats 'N Cameras.

[Aurawyn]

Oh hey!!!! the elephant from http://missmab.com/Comics/Ab_043.php is part of clan piklak

Oh, the cheetah there looks like Sari from Cats 'N Cameras comic

That's cause that's Sari from Cats 'N Cameras.

The other one looks like Josie too.... I think

[Rakyth]

   
Curves of all sizes FTW!! 

I agree! As we say in my country, bones are for a dog - a man likes to have meat!

It doesn't help that most of my gender act like dogs, however.

The rest of that description fits James Bond.

Hey, I'm straight..

Who are you trying to convince? Us, or yourself?

Honestly, though, he's pretty good-looking.

[Turnsky]

how is it shallow really?
i get it when someone goes for beauty over personality but beyond that, if we look at just the form, how is it shallow? if it is supposed to be their image of "perfect" ? or is it shallow because they HAVE an image of perfection?

and distorted, i get it when it becomes unhealthy (which it can in both directions for both genders. there are people turned on by people who should loose weight basicly to not die), but as long as it doesnt cause health problems, why is it distorted?
(if we're talking expectations however, then yeah, people might have a distorted expectation of themselves and others as to the physical form)

given that it seems that she's based off a bear.. yes.

i've yet to see a bear of any sort with an svelte, athletic build, have you? 

[Jairus]

i've yet to see a bear of any sort with an svelte, athletic build, have you? 

One does come to mind: Rebecca "Becky" Cunningham of Talespin. Though Baloo was a bit pudgy...

[Chairtastic]

The thing I love most about this clan leader isn't her figure, her obviously well-founded pride, or even the strong possibility that she is a bear, my favorite animal.

Its her hair. Its so wavy and shiny...you can just tell it feels like silk. Dear God I want me some hair like that. :X

Also, I wonder if it can be assumed by the bindi on her forehead that Piflak is married.

[Chakat Blackspots]

Oh hey!!!! the elephant from http://missmab.com/Comics/Ab_043.php is part of clan piklak

Oh, the cheetah there looks like Sari from Cats 'N Cameras comic

That's cause that's Sari from Cats 'N Cameras.

The other one looks like Josie too.... I think

That it does.

[Technoire]

Thin =/= Beautiful. There is not one definition of beautiful.
Anyone should be able to prance around shirtless and feel great about their person.

And as aforementioned (somewhere I'm too lazy to look & quote),
A bellydancer without a belly is a sad thing indeed.


This has been a stick-skinny girl who stands in extreme favor of ladies embracing their beautiful curves.
Over and then some. 

[VAE]

The thing I love most about this clan leader isn't her figure, her obviously well-founded pride, or even the strong possibility that she is a bear, my favorite animal.

Its her hair. Its so wavy and shiny...you can just tell it feels like silk. Dear God I want me some hair like that. :X

Also, I wonder if it can be assumed by the bindi on her forehead that Piflak is married.

Hmm with the bear - it is kind of obvious now, but well, to me, raised on Soviet cartoons, a bear evokes more the role of a militionary or a peasant(ess), not an exotic looking hotty ...
Is an animal stereotype..

[GentleHunter]

My first impression (species-wise) on seeing her was "Lioness", which does make a nice pun on the "Pride" affinity.

And speaking of pride, I think that if she has taken on her physique on purpose (same as she chose what outfit to wear), she is a very clever 'cubi. Her affinity and most nutritious emotion is pride, and she has found a way to provoke that emotion from others: "Oh my, look at how fat she is! I wouldn't be caught dead in that outfit, especially at her size! The shameless hussy! (etc.)" ... Those types of statements contain elements of self-pride (the virtues of temperance and modesty notwithstanding). Pride builds itself up, especially at the expense of tearing others down.

A clever 'cubi indeed. 


~GH~

[Naldru]

Regarding treatment of advertisements featuring "well endowed" women with Photoshop, I read that one of the European countries was seriously considering outlawing photoshop treatment of women in clothing ads, stating that it contributed to severe issues when women tried to approach an impossible standard.

Some references (courtesy of Google) attached below

http://jezebel.com/5328736/british-lawmakers-take-stand-against-photoshop
http://jezebel.com/5365104/france-proposes-health-warning-label-on-photoshopped-images