I just saw Warner Bros. ad for the new Thundercats show, and all i can say is "KILLKILLKILL*clawhand*MAIMMAIMMAIM.
Theyre doing the damn show in Americanized-anime style and making them teenagers........
Quote from: Teroniss on January 15, 2007, 09:14:57 PM
Theyre doing the damn show in Americanized-anime style and making them teenagers........
ya know, somehow that makes perfect sense.
can anyone tell me that despite working for a newspaper i actually get most of my news here?
QuoteThat is so sad on a variety of levels
So it's like Teen Titans all over again?
They can have Teen Titans, I was never a big DC fan. But now raping my damned childhood with a spiky lead pipe by making this one........
The only thing that could be worse then this would be if Disney remade Rescue Rangers into an anime-style show
Note to network execs, you do not need to try and make your characters younger in some stupid ploy to attract more fans. Frankly kids don't care what age the characters are, and you're only alienated old fans with these gimmicks.
And Teen Titans were originally teenagers (hence the name), so it was less of a stretch. To be honest, the comics had them looking a lot older than teenagers, but then again, I liked Starfire's "Peg Bundy" hairstyle.
Quote from: Teroniss on January 15, 2007, 09:14:57 PM
I just saw Warner Bros. ad for the new Thundercats show, and all i can say is "KILLKILLKILL*clawhand*MAIMMAIMMAIM.
Theyre doing the damn show in Americanized-anime style and making them teenagers........
:erk :erk :erk
.... :dface ......
>:O
Now that my face has reacted appropriately...
WHAT THE BLEEDING HELL DO THEY THINK THEY'RE DOING!?!? TEENAGE ANIME THUNDERCATS!?!?!?! I MEAN, GRAH! DOES EVERYTHING HAVE TO BE ANIME-FIED IN ORDER TO BE COOL?! CAN'T AMERICAN ANIMATORS HAVE ONE ORIGINAL IDEA?! FIRST THE LOONEY TUNES, AND NOW THIS!! WHAT'S NEXT, THE FREAKING MUPPETS?!?!? THEY'RE DESTROYING NOT ONLY THE HUMBLE BUT AWESOME BEGINNINGS OF AMERICAN ANIMATION, BUT MURDERING EVERY LAST BIT OF CREATIVITY ABOUT ANIME!!! THOSE STUPID, NARROW-MINDED, STEREOTYPING, OVERGREEDY LEMMINGS!!!!!! :tantrum :boom
(breathe, breathe, breathe)
OK, I'm done.
This whole, americanized-anime crap is just getting old....They do it with everything now. X-men, DC, He-Man, Transformers, and now Thundercats. These people are slowly sucking away the soul of good old television......
i actually liked X-men evolution, not for any kind of story continutity but because it had a bit of a fun feel to a serious endeavor.
keep in mind with all this that anything as crappy as theyre trying to do will undoubtedly either fail after only one season or supprise us all and be somewhat good. essentially they get what they put into it, and a lot of it will depend on what writers they get.
you dont think theres any chance that anyone could revive the rankin bass style of animation again? movies like the last unicorn, flight of dragons, the animated version of the hobbit, thundercats, thundercats less popular cousin silverhawks, and so fourth...well, they all were something special in a way that completely ignored common sense. maybe the art style was more whimsical or something, i dunno.
QuoteIn the event of a crash please feel free to scream like an idiot and run in circles.
I feel that some of the American animators are to blame, thinking back to a few godawful cartoons played alongside anime shows on Saturday mornings. Due to the quality, the anime shows seemed to do better than the American shows. So the execs got it into their tiny brains that the kids liked anime more, and not the fact that the shows they were making were simply horrible to begin with. They could give a congratulatory boot to their heads for the rampant censoring they do along with the gimmicks they try to throw into their shows. So many good American shows were lost because of these things, stuff like The Angry Beavers, Rocko's Modern Life, and just about every cartoon classic that's been raped thanks to an anime'd rehash, from the Batman Animated Series, to Transformers.
It is a bleak time for cartoons to say the least.
Prefatory note: I am an American, and I can attest that quite a few of us hate, hate *hate* the crap that's coming out of the studios today. And not because of the whole ``culture war/Liberal Hollywood'' BS. We hate it because it's bad (and the stuff that we do like tends to be the stuff that the culture warriors decry).
Quote from: Brunhidden da Muse on January 15, 2007, 10:24:50 PMyou dont think theres any chance that anyone could revive the rankin bass style of animation again?
The one thing that you have to remember about Rankin-Bass, as well as a lot of feature-length animation from that time period was that they were very heavy on the recycling of animation. That would not fly today.
Klasky-Csupo was probably one of the leaders in eliminating a lot of that animation recycling. The Simpsons (when they were with KC) reused very little animation, and now that pretty much everything is digital ink and paint (Ugh!), you're expected to not reuse any animation.
If you were to do a Rankin-Bass style feature today, it would probably cost 2-3 times as much (even adjusting for inflation), and take twice as long to do it.
Now, I would *love* to see another Rankin-Bass style film. I'm just not sure that you could finance it.
A style that I would also give a few teeth for would be the old 1920's (http://www.galerieart.cz/Capek_v_hospode_1918.jpg) era (http://jerz.setonhill.edu/images/RUR/Paris1.jpg) semi-cubist, with woodcut-style shading style.
Of course, I can't draw, and I don't even seem to be able to learn how to draw, so...
On a tangent, I presume that you've heard about the (now-cancelled) live-action version of The Last Unicorn?
:( My inner child died a little, I think.
*goes to play Dragon's Lair to revive it* :sword
Quote
On a tangent, I presume that you've heard about the (now-cancelled) live-action version of The Last Unicorn?
You presume correct sir. Actually, I was disappointed to hear that one was cancelled. I was reading through some of the production notes on that one, and it looked like it might have been decent.
Quote from: Teroniss on January 15, 2007, 11:44:02 PMQuoteOn a tangent, I presume that you've heard about the (now-cancelled) live-action version of The Last Unicorn?
You presume correct sir. Actually, I was disappointed to hear that one was cancelled. I was reading through some of the production notes on that one, and it looked like it might have been decent.
It would have starred Christopher Lee as King Haggard (he previously starred in both the English and German versions of the Rankin-Bass version), which would have been great. Unfortunately, it appears that Peter S. Beagle was not affiliated with the film. :<
I persume a angered inner child intervention is viewed soon
My inner child is just really sad and trying to cut it's wrists with a shaving razor. Poor, misguided, uneducated inner child...
"THUNDERCATS! HO!"
That's how it went, right?
More bad news: the new setting is a modern city, and each of the thundercats gets a musical instrument: they're a rock-band this time instead of the last survivors of a cat-like race stranded on pre-historic earth.
Also, Snarf is the leader instead of Lion-o. SNARF! The comic-relief character! The leader!
>:O 'A' :cry
wow, so not surprised.
let's face it folks, Warner bros lost the plot the moment Freakazoid and animaniacs went off the air.
Quote from: Vidar on January 16, 2007, 04:02:47 AM
More bad news: the new setting is a modern city, and each of the thundercats gets a musical instrument: they're a rock-band this time instead of the last survivors of a cat-like race stranded on pre-historic earth.
Also, Snarf is the leader instead of Lion-o. SNARF! The comic-relief character! The leader!
>:O 'A' :cry
:shifty.... Them ----> :analprobe <----- Me
And I was sad enough when I saw they had gotten rid of all the fantasy from My Little Pony... The unicorns and flying ponies were awesome! Why did they get rid of them?! :cry
Snarf is the leader of the Thundercats............. Borrowing a quote from O Brother Where Art Thou, "that don't make no sense!" He was Lion-o's friggin' nanny for crying out loud! Oh well, seems like they're stealing every ratings-boost gimmick that has ever existed in cartooning. I'll just sit back and laugh when they combine the powers of their instruments to form the Thundertank and the robear-burbles look like mutant Pikachu clones. .....Actually, if those two both happen, I'll weep.
Well, they haven't done anything right since cancelling... or whatever they did.. those older shows.
truly sad...you know, to be honest this doesn't surprise me at all. The big television companies are corrupting what was once good TV into this sad attempt at good shows. Look at Disney for god's sake, you hardly ever see Mickey mouse anymore, it's all those teen shows like lizzie mcguire or whatever...pathetic. As much as I would expect then to ruin what was once a good show, i would NEVER expect something good like Thundercats...pretty soon Mickey mouse will probably be turned anime as well...we're all doomed.
But you know what? it still exists because people actually like that crap.
Yes we know Ari but seriously...Why would they spend time and time not really reserch the leader was orignaly Jaga not Snarf! Thats what happens when devlopers only skim not actruely watch!
Quote from: vulpesweasel on January 16, 2007, 05:45:59 PM
truly sad...you know, to be honest this doesn't surprise me at all. The big television companies are corrupting what was once good TV into this sad attempt at good shows. Look at Disney for god's sake, you hardly ever see Mickey mouse anymore, it's all those teen shows like lizzie mcguire or whatever...pathetic. As much as I would expect then to ruin what was once a good show, i would NEVER expect something good like Thundercats...pretty soon Mickey mouse will probably be turned anime as well...we're all doomed.
Actually...
http://ec1.images-amazon.com/images/G/01/ciu/f8/23/2fcb820dd7a0afda345ce010._AA240_.L.jpg (http://ec1.images-amazon.com/images/G/01/ciu/f8/23/2fcb820dd7a0afda345ce010._AA240_.L.jpg)
I actually viewed this while working at Sam's Club. Not only is it bad 3D, but it has a "Dora The Explorer" rip-off plot. Sorry about that.
As for this show, I'll stick to my DVD's. Nothing can taint them... >(
Okay, seriously, did these guys not notice how bad Sonic Underground did? Maybe not, that show got buried in the desert alongside ET soon after it appeared on TV.
Ugh.... I remember Sonic Underground. That's actually the first thing that came to mind upon reading this thread, well, after Loonatics of course. Sonic and his two sibs somehow solved the problem in each episode with the power of rock, and his little bro could literally cause earthquakes with his drumset. EARTHQUAKES! WITH DRUMS! Again, ugh.....
I gave the new TMNT a chance because they did at least somewhat keep the spirit of the original animated cartoon (though I really had to suspend my disbelief in the episode with the intergalactic ninja that challenged Leo to a ninja-duel), but this'll be probably too much.
Its crap like this that cause me to contemplate murder each and every day, and not violent movies or video games that all these crazy lawyers keep trying convince people of......
Afterall, how can violent video games compare to old money hungry CEO farts that decide, "Hey, theres a cartoon we havent destroyed yet, lets grab it and rape the older generation's childhood some more."
Oh geez, I remember Sonic Underground too. I hated it. I must have been pretty young, yet I still knew it was illogical and lame.
Does anyone remember Biker Mice from Mars? *headdesks*
Toric: More believable than any other cartoon i'd know. don't hate it because it's a new formula. That's reserved for the "other" sonic cartoon
Actually, people over twenty usually have other things to worry about and rarely get enough time to sit down and actually watch T.V. aside from the news.
That being said, the CEO's are probably appealing to the little kids who DON'T know of the other series. This typically happens every twenty-five years or so.
Oh dear gods, sonic underground..... that show gave me Mental Herps.
Honestly, I'm a bit sceptical about all this, when the show comes out then I will judge it. Even though it's going to suck....
Badly.
(P.S.) I'm over twenty and I always make time for some Adult Swim on Cartoon Network a few times a week :3
Quote from: Valynth on January 17, 2007, 02:22:31 AM
Actually, people over twenty usually have other things to worry about and rarely get enough time to sit down and actually watch T.V. aside from the news.
That being said, the CEO's are probably appealing to the little kids who DON'T know of the other series. This typically happens every twenty-five years or so.
Normally I would agree with you, but there has to be
some sadistic over tone in their choice to use cartoons from our generation's childhood, rather then, I dunno, come up with something new and (bear with me now) original.
Then simply do not acknowledge it.
Que Sera Sera~ whatever will sell, will sell.
anyone got pictures?
Thundercats is still good enough animation to show nowadays, just change those godawful scripts.
Quote from: RJ on January 17, 2007, 02:09:25 AM
Does anyone remember Biker Mice from Mars? *headdesks*
<3 Modo.
Quote from: Janus Whitefurr on January 17, 2007, 04:52:25 AM
Quote from: RJ on January 17, 2007, 02:09:25 AM
Does anyone remember Biker Mice from Mars? *headdesks*
<3 Modo.
I used to like it when I was younger, but after seeing an episode of it on tv the other day, I was able to spot all the animation mistakes they made in it (and there were heaps!).
I'm also sure I saw a PS2 game for it somewhere...
(http://lulz.net/furi/src/thundercats.jpg) Well they didnt totaly mess up...How can ya mess up on Lion-o's?
He was the leader of the last of his race, stranded on an alien world, plagued by enemies both natural and supernatural, fighting for the survival of his kind, and striving to be a good leader.
They made him a scrawny teenager who wants to be a rock-star. How the mighty have fallen.
They did screw up Lion-o.
Quote from: Vidar on January 17, 2007, 08:11:38 AM
He was the leader of the last of his race, stranded on an alien world, plagued by enemies both natural and supernatural, fighting for the survival of his kind, and striving to be a good leader.
They made him a scrawny teenager who wants to be a rock-star. How the mighty have fallen.
They did screw up Lion-o.
indeeeeed, he kinda looks.... totally skinny and weak, keep the sword away from him, he might cut himself :x
... Remember, down, not across.
*cough*
Quote from: Toric on January 17, 2007, 01:36:04 AMSonic and his two sibs somehow solved the problem in each episode with the power of rock, and his little bro could literally cause earthquakes with his drumset. EARTHQUAKES! WITH DRUMS!
reflected-sound-of-underground-spirits?
Anyways, I was always more of a Rocky and Bullwinkle/Underdog type fan. Oh, hey, look at that! industrial-class raping (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0467110/), coming my way. They took out all the furry elements, and while that's not what drew me to the story, it pretty much makes the story make no sense.
*Charles eyetwitch* What... the... %&*@... Is this actually for-real real? This isn't some sick joke someone is playing on us all? Good god... American animation has sunk lower than even I thought possible.
On a positive note, if the major studios destroy themselves with all this crap, it makes my lil animation company suddenly much more viable. Go for it Disney and Warner! And while you're at it, remake Strawberry Shortcake as a goth heavy band concerned about the effects of global warming, which they sing about in poorly contrived, simplistic melodies every five minutes! DOOOO EEEET!! KILL YOURSELVES!!!! :mwaha :mwaha
Quote from: Toric on January 17, 2007, 01:36:04 AM
Ugh.... I remember Sonic Underground. That's actually the first thing that came to mind upon reading this thread, well, after Loonatics of course. Sonic and his two sibs somehow solved the problem in each episode with the power of rock, and his little bro could literally cause earthquakes with his drumset. EARTHQUAKES! WITH DRUMS! Again, ugh.....
I gave the new TMNT a chance because they did at least somewhat keep the spirit of the original animated cartoon (though I really had to suspend my disbelief in the episode with the intergalactic ninja that challenged Leo to a ninja-duel), but this'll be probably too much.
I know the show wasn't the best, but I do wish they'd use Manic again. I liked him. Lil thief-hog. X3 Hehe
As for the new TMNT show.. that one is actually way more based on the comic series (the comics after the original all-red bandanas style) and therefore, actually more true to the TMNT story. But both series are good in my books. I only wish they'd have the Mutanimals in them...
Quote from: RJ on January 17, 2007, 02:09:25 AM
Oh geez, I remember Sonic Underground too. I hated it. I must have been pretty young, yet I still knew it was illogical and lame.
Does anyone remember Biker Mice from Mars? *headdesks*
Biker Mice is probably still one of my fav shows. I'm still waiting for that new series to come to the US. They already have season 3 in Europe. DX Although my only quip with it is that the bad guy general concept and name is kinda dumb. :P
Oh, and Throttle rocks. And rides. D:
So, which anime do you think theyre exploiting Lion-O's new look from. I say Outlaw Star's Gene
Quote from: Alondro on January 17, 2007, 02:41:13 PMAnd while you're at it, remake Strawberry Shortcake as a goth heavy band concerned about the effects of global warming, which they sing about in poorly contrived, simplistic melodies every five minutes!
Well, Penny-Arcade did do that strip about Strawberry Shortcake (and the lawyers forced them to take it down and it's NSFW, so no linky).
OMG .. Lion-O is an anarexic teen!!
I'm not opposed the the whole re-make-in-anime form that happens, anime style can be nice. More opposed the the "terribly drawn junk" thrown around
I've never fully understood the concept of remaking most series. If the original concept still holds, it doesn't need to be redone. If it doesn't, then why not simply make a completely different series?
I know, tie-ins and the quest for more money, etc... But really, If the only thing that remains is the names, it effectively is a different series already. If it sucks so bad that the character names are required to draw viewers, then it's really not worth putting the effort into in the first place.
*shakes head* Stupid Warner Bros...
It's faster to get it out if you borrow a lot of things.
QuoteThe total IQ of the world is a constant.
The more people, the more idiots.
-Wendy Northcutt,
The Darwin Awards II
Quote from: rt on January 17, 2007, 03:51:32 PM
OMG .. Lion-O is an anarexic teen!!
Darn it. You got to it first. :mowtongue
But it's spelled 'anorexic'. ;)
Oh, sweet, Lulz is back. Thanks for the info :3
(If you don't know, don't worry :3 :3 :3 )
*Raises a brow* Indeed, this whole trend makes me so glad they havent touched some of the really old shows, like Rescue Rangers. I can only imagine what it would come out as. As a general rule I try really not to catch cartoons on tv anymore. Theres very few left that are worth eating a bowl of cereal or toast to. x-x;;
Lion-o as a wannabe rockstar though... *shudders* I am definitly avoiding seeing that...
Quote from: Teroniss on January 17, 2007, 03:10:58 PM
So, which anime do you think theyre exploiting Lion-O's new look from. I say Outlaw Star's Gene
*Faceplants* Darn it, you're right! :cry
Quote from: Alondro on January 17, 2007, 02:41:13 PM
*Charles eyetwitch* What... the... %&*@... Is this actually for-real real? This isn't some sick joke someone is playing on us all? Good god... American animation has sunk lower than even I thought possible.
On a positive note, if the major studios destroy themselves with all this crap, it makes my lil animation company suddenly much more viable. Go for it Disney and Warner! And while you're at it, remake Strawberry Shortcake as a goth heavy band concerned about the effects of global warming, which they sing about in poorly contrived, simplistic melodies every five minutes! DOOOO EEEET!! KILL YOURSELVES!!!! :mwaha :mwaha
More power to you, I say!
Be as evil as you want to, as long as you don't sink to their level.
The world needs better cartoons - with better plots! >:3
better cartoons.... inspector gadget anime?
Quote from: Aridas Soulfire on January 18, 2007, 08:44:30 PMbetter cartoons.... inspector gadget anime?
Get Smart anime.
I would definitely pay to watch an anime version of the shoe phone.
Get smart had a spin off series...But sadly didnt last long....And you cant do a gadget anime without the orignal guy....It break my heart if they did
Quote from: Zedd on January 18, 2007, 09:58:38 PMGet smart had a spin off series...But sadly didnt last long....And you cant do a gadget anime without the orignal guy....It break my heart if they did
Uh, the spin off series *was* Inspector Gadget. And the original guy who did Inspector Gadget *was* the guy who did Maxwell Smart, Don Adams.
Unfortunately, Don Adams is now in a Cone of Silence that really works.
Edit: OK. I guess there was an abortive Get Smart series in 1995 that lasted seven episodes. I don't know if you could really count that.
a Check It Out anime? >.>
Durrrr... my kartune iz gonna be about GI Jo and Kobra. They will not fight anymoore cuz that is not PC. They'll be facing off in a kooking show and wearing aprons and stuff. An Destro's face will rust from the steam. LOLz. :B
Heh... not as bad as I thought.
It has its own charm. And finally got that awful costume off Lion-O.
Im going to play devil's advocate and actually WAIT and see before I pass judgement.
Ive seen worse premises.
Quote from: King Of Hearts on January 19, 2007, 09:32:23 AM
Heh... not as bad as I thought.
It has its own charm. And finally got that awful costume off Lion-O.
Im going to play devil's advocate and actually WAIT and see before I pass judgement.
Ive seen worse premises.
YAY
While I admit it sounds bad there is finaly some one else who agrees with me that you should actualy Wait until you can watch sometihng before you pass judgement on it
Quote from: Alondro on January 19, 2007, 09:15:33 AM
Durrrr... my kartune iz gonna be about GI Jo and Kobra. They will not fight anymoore cuz that is not PC. They'll be facing off in a kooking show and wearing aprons and stuff. An Destro's face will rust from the steam. LOLz. :B
I would so watch a show where Cobra Commander curses at a soufleé. o:
heres whats scary, everyone know ive got a 2 year old daughter? she loves the my little ponies.
they have new 'movies' and 'shows' out, and we had picked up a DVD of the old series. she loved it, she keeps saying 'movie' and 'pony' when she wants to watch it. later, due to her loving MLP so much, we saw another DVD and got it for her....it was the new stuff, she dosent want a thing to do with it. we now have 4 DVDs of the original show, and one of them is the original movie.
yes, even a 2 year old likes the old 80s stuff better.
why? im not sure, when you think about it the 80s version was so cheezy. it was to sell toys, there were close to a hudnred diffrent ponies, half their names were so goofy, they made friends with other goofy named critters who you could buy, the songs were horrible, the animation was horrible as was the voiceacting, and all the charicters were one dimentional with only a gimic for a personality. the new ponies? the animation is pretty, the names actually sound pretty good, and i only see about eight or so ponies.
so whats the diffrence? the new ponies are PC. yeah, no more 'adventures' into dark woods or saveing thier friends from witches or whatever. now its freaking teaparties and whatnot. what really put me and my wife off was that in the new DVD we grabbed the thrilling climax was when the pony chosen to be princess decides to make everyone a princess too....wheeeeee....
also, ive realised the original MLP are downright mean. im serious, when they defeat a 'villan' they not only use dirty tricks and lie through thier teeth but they also feel the need to rub it in and leave the trapped person for dead alone in the wilderness or rotting in a dungeion somewhere.
i blame that ONE specific generation that thought it was a good idea to censor our children. think about buggs bunny, violence everywhere. for decades he was wholesome family entertainment, and was waaaay more PC and friendly then half the stuff that came before him. and then one year people decided he was offencive and shouldnt be shown on saturday morning TV cause he could warp kids minds and fully expect children were dumb enough to drop anvils on people cause Wile E Coyote did it all the time. slowly weve been regaining some measure of reason with kids programming, as evidenced by anime that dosent end in 'mon' being shown on TV and a return of things like TMNT and GIjoe.
someday, i dont know when, buggs bunny may find its place back in the saturday morning lineup. to be honest most of whats out there could be safely replaced by a test pattern and increase our kids IQ.
QuoteIf you were a 'my little pony' what would the tatoo on your buttcheek look like?
Quote from: Brunhidden da Muse on January 19, 2007, 12:02:51 PM
i blame that ONE specific generation that thought it was a good idea to censor our children. think about buggs bunny, violence everywhere. for decades he was wholesome family entertainment, and was waaaay more PC and friendly then half the stuff that came before him. and then one year people decided he was offencive and shouldnt be shown on saturday morning TV cause he could warp kids minds and fully expect children were dumb enough to drop anvils on people cause Wile E Coyote did it all the time. slowly weve been regaining some measure of reason with kids programming, as evidenced by anime that dosent end in 'mon' being shown on TV and a return of things like TMNT and GIjoe.
someday, i dont know when, buggs bunny may find its place back in the saturday morning lineup. to be honest most of whats out there could be safely replaced by a test pattern and increase our kids IQ.
QuoteIf you were a 'my little pony' what would the tatoo on your buttcheek look like?
*laughs* Ah, that Bugs Bunny bit reminds me. I was in Barnes & Nobles yesterday and I was looking at the Looney Toons gold collection, which is 140 minutes for $64.99 (such a bargain! :B ), and on the back it said something like "for mature collectors only, not for children".
Looney Toons. "Not for children".
I don't know. one of my 3 year old nephews is a fan of rescue heroes, and it seems like a good show... It can't all be bad now.
This is but one of many reasons I don't bother watching daytime TV anymore. The 90s have come and gone and with them they've brought to us Rocko's Modern Life, Doug, Ren and Stimpy, Gargoyles, Aladdin, Rescue Rangers, Ducktales, Darkwing Duck, Pirates of Dark Water, SWAT Kats, Batman: The Animated Series, Batman Beyond, MIB, and all other manner of cartoons the likes of which we will never see again on the primary networks. Blame the networks for being afraid of offending parents rather than damaging children. Blame the parents that take offense because they think other people will take offense. Blame People who only give a crap about flashing crap on the screen quickly enough to draw in the kiddies attention, using short and meaningless episodic stories that are soon forgotten, that reinforce a short attention span.
If nothing else, I'm glad my childhood was over before Political Correctness and Censorship crippled the babysitter of our nation's youth.
what boggles me are the shows that are one of the following.
1- absolutely nobody likes it. how is it still on the air after three years? somebody needs to be fired because of this.
2- this show is aimed at age group A, but nobody in age group A watches it. its largest audience is people five to ten years older or younger then age group A. people buy the toys for age group A because they have no idea age group A thinks the show sucks.
3- this show is bland, tasteless, and somehow light beige. even fans who watch the show only watch it because nothing else is on. fewer then a hundred people in the country actually count this show as one of thier five vavorite shows. toys for this show do not even exist anymore, other then the first ones they released when the show started and a few were bought by the same people who bought toys from show #2
4- they actually pay someone to write this? seriously, after episode 4 there is no reason to watch this show, youve already seen every joke, plot, villan, and whatever else. beyond all reasoning this show is in its seventh+ year.
5- the opposite of #4, someone made a really crappy show and kidnapped good writers to give one dimentional charicters who are ugly and annoying terriffic stories. to watch this is painfull because you can feel the whiplashes on the writers back and the welts the chains leave on thier ankles.
its almost like theres a formula theese people follow in order to make people hate TV. would it kill them to have another five shows with the longevity and marketing potential of the simpsons? with a little bit of effort and not running in fear when toy sales dip the executives of those studios could have kept most of our favorite shows going for twice as long, if not longer.
QuoteI ain't gonna lose my leg, am I Doc? I've had it ever since I was a little kid!
I miss old cartoons so much... they explored a lot more themes and really taught you stuff.
I think the downfall came in the 90s with that weird bill or something... it demanded that all kids' tv shows
had to be educational, which explained Captain Planet (and quite a few other shows) had those things at the end that promoted kids looks after the planet, and yada yada yada. Of course, some shows did slip through by tricking the tv stations (good on them).
I'm still waiting in fear for the day they create anime Care Bears. It's bound to happen.
QuoteIf you were a 'my little pony' what would the tatoo on your buttcheek look like?
A nuclear explosion :)
Oh yeah... here's a little something that I've kept on my computer for years now to remind me why I should never go back to Neopets and do comics again.
(http://www.furry.org.au/randomjoy/pearls2.jpg)
http://www.furry.org.au/randomjoy/pearls2.jpg
Quote from: RJ on January 20, 2007, 11:06:30 AM
I'm still waiting in fear for the day they create anime Care Bears. It's bound to happen.
*somewhere in Hollow-wood, a producer is skimming through what he knows as the Internode for ideas to steal, because he's a hard-boiled accountant with no soul* Wow... anime Care Bears! I like it! This'll really appeal to the 5-9 demographic and sell lots of toys! *thus another abomination is born*
Look what you've done RJ! ;)
Quote from: Alondro on January 20, 2007, 11:22:52 AM
Quote from: RJ on January 20, 2007, 11:06:30 AM
I'm still waiting in fear for the day they create anime Care Bears. It's bound to happen.
*somewhere in Hollow-wood, a producer is skimming through what he knows as the Internode for ideas to steal, because he's a hard-boiled accountant with no soul* Wow... anime Care Bears! I like it! This'll really appeal to the 5-9 demographic and sell lots of toys! *thus another abomination is born*
Look what you've done RJ! ;)
:< I've created a monster!
Though, while we're at it... ANIME SIMPSONS.
Waaaait a second... D'oh- too late!: http://news.deviantart.com/article/25036/
What we heed is cyborg anime care bears, they can fight crime, use kungfu and blow stuff up to the extream
The execs would never allow it, it's too offensive to that small group of people who don't like cyborgs for no good reason.
This is not going to stop me from creating a competent D&D cartoon that will only be shown on Adult Swim (because when you've got undead, demons, devils and all manner of creatures that'll kill you with just a look, there is no where else to go).
Quote from: RJ on January 20, 2007, 11:06:30 AM
. . .
QuoteIf you were a 'my little pony' what would the tatoo on your buttcheek look like?
A nuclear explosion :)
Oh yeah... here's a little something that I've kept on my computer for years now to remind me why I should never go back to Neopets and do comics again.
[img: pearls2.jpg]
http://www.furry.org.au/randomjoy/pearls2.jpg
Let me guess... A muffin-shaped one, eh? :rolleyes
Hmm, mine would likely be a pawprint with some small stripes. :3
Your comic would be lots of funny if it wasn't so terribly true. :mowwink
We need to slap some sense into the execs:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4mvrkbu93g8 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4mvrkbu93g8)
Quote from: Tiger_T on January 20, 2007, 12:57:04 PM
Quote from: RJ on January 20, 2007, 11:06:30 AM
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QuoteIf you were a 'my little pony' what would the tatoo on your buttcheek look like?
A nuclear explosion :)
Oh yeah... here's a little something that I've kept on my computer for years now to remind me why I should never go back to Neopets and do comics again.
[img: pearls2.jpg]
http://www.furry.org.au/randomjoy/pearls2.jpg
Let me guess... A muffin-shaped one, eh? :rolleyes
Hmm, mine would likely be a pawprint with some small stripes. :3
Your comic would be lots of funny if it wasn't so terribly true. :mowwink
Oh come now. Flames emblazened upon your rumpus is the way to go. :eager
Quote from: Manawolf on January 20, 2007, 01:05:40 PMWe need to slap some sense into the execs:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4mvrkbu93g8 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4mvrkbu93g8)
Uh, that's NSFW. I pity the employee whose boss walks in when this is playing.
But, in a similar vein:
My Little Lebowski (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E39u7w3lYsA) (NSFW)
The Legion of Dogs (http://www.idiotwork.com/videopages/dogs.html) (again, NSFW)
Edit: Also, your video contains spoliers for Citizen Kane.
Quote from: thegayhare on January 20, 2007, 11:42:09 AM
What we heed is cyborg anime care bears, they can fight crime, use kungfu and blow stuff up to the extream
The Care Bear Stare now blasts through people... where the heck did I put the link to that...
Ah, there it is: http://www.deviantart.com/deviation/1389755/?qo=174&q=by%3Agunmouth&qh=sort%3Atime+-in%3Ascraps
>:3
Don't make me break out Comrade Bear.
Quote from: Manawolf on January 20, 2007, 06:55:01 PMDon't make me break out Comrade Bear.
Is that anything like The Communist Manifestoon (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NbTIJ9_bLP4)? (Very, very safe for work. Figures.)
Well you just killed the joke via firing squad.
Communism isn't bad, it's just that everyone who's used it has been a dictator and a tyrant using it more or less as a veil for their own agendas.
Quote from: Manawolf on January 20, 2007, 08:25:04 PM
Well you just killed the joke via firing squad.
Communism isn't bad, it's just that everyone who's used it has been a dictator and a tyrant using it more or less as a veil for their own agendas.
FOR THE LOVE OF!... The only way you're going to get anywhere in an Communist system is if you force people forward at the point of a gun! This is a fact, you know why? Because humans are animals and animals ARE self serving! The thing about capitalism is that rather than force every to abandon this natural instinct, it changes said self-serving atitude into a form that can benefit all, such as labor! If anything, capitalism is more communal that Communisim!
There's this point that was overlooked by Marx.
If everyone is hired by the state, and everyone works, then... everyone will need to have someone standing over them to keep them working, since there's no economic incentive to work. (sure, there are exceptions, and people who enjoy what they do, but they're not as common as one could wish)
"Karl Marx describes it as the "equal obligation of all to work" rather than explicitly naming the use of force, but as with many of his other proposals, it is a half-baked and half-formed idea, lacking the courage to explicitly name the unpleasant mechanisms required for implementation. How is this "obligation" supposed to be enforced? Marx never explained..."
(quote via rhjunior's livejournal from http://stardestroyer.net/Empire/Essays/Trek-Marxism.html)
OK. I just posted a stupid video about the Communist Manifesto. I didn't intend this to become a discussion about Marx's ideas.
Since everybody else is doing it, though...
Communism isn't inherently bad. It's simply a Mary Sue idea. It would never work in the real world, but that doesn't mean that Marx didn't have good intentions.
Marx's theory will only work in an industrialized nation. Without organized means of production, there be no bourgeoisie to overthrow. At the same time, the incentives that the system offers are things like higher pay, less work, and greater national unity. These are incentives only for those who live in pre-industrialized economies. The first two are already provided for those in industrialized economies, and the last one is not a common desire in industrialized economies.
So it seems that communism cannot work where people want it to, and where it can work, nobody wants it to.
Quote from: superluser on January 20, 2007, 09:37:04 PM
OK. I just posted a stupid video about the Communist Manifesto. I didn't intend this to become a discussion about Marx's ideas.
Since everybody else is doing it, though...
Communism isn't inherently bad. It's simply a Mary Sue idea. It would never work in the real world, but that doesn't mean that Marx didn't have good intentions.
Marx's theory will only work in an industrialized nation. Without organized means of production, there be no bourgeoisie to overthrow. At the same time, the incentives that the system offers are things like higher pay, less work, and greater national unity. These are incentives only for those who live in pre-industrialized economies. The first two are already provided for those in industrialized economies, and the last one is not a common desire in industrialized economies.
So it seems that communism cannot work where people want it to, and where it can work, nobody wants it to.
No, no it won't. I fail to see how you even have any logical evidence to support that it would, other than having everyone at work stations with guns literally pointed at their heads. Even there, the people are being selfish, working to keep living. Thats how nature works, you exert effort for yourself, you live, you don't, you die. Communism is powered by THE EXACT SAME SELFISHNESS that Capitalism is, but in Communism, you don't really have a choice of when, where, and how. If anything, Communism creates a more powerful bourgeoisie than capitalism would ever allow! The Government!
OK. First of all, communism only worked in Russia. Why? Because they went from feudalism straight to communism. They left out the two steps everyone gets stuck at most of the time - industrial capitalism (i.e., the US) and the dictatorship of the proletariat (i.e., North Korea). In both cases, the countries got stuck because the leaders (or, in our case, the people) were greedy bastards just like normal folks. Socialism makes more sense in my mind than communism because it leaves out the killing and gives the government a little more regulation over businesses so that franchises like Wal-Mart don't go around stealing customers from smalltown stores. People can still be greedy, but no-one can be overgreedy because the government won't let it happen. Sadly, this would probably never work in America because we're too far gone in capitalism.
As to the picture of Lion-o.... he looks like Axel from Organization 13 and Kimbley from FMA did fusion. And changed into Spandex. :giggle
(Today's communist rant brought to you in part by my US history teacher and my best friend James, who is a socialist and one of the smartest men I've ever known.)
COMMUNISM DIDN'T WORK IN RUSSIA! Whoever the hell fed you that crap must be have had their brains removed as children. I hate to tell ya this, not, but the Soviet Union COLLAPSED.
also, more facts about Captialism V Communism:
Fact1: Vietnam used to have communist farming. Most of the population was starving.
Fact2: Vietnam now uses capitalistic farming. They are now the world's second largest exporter of rice.
Do I see a connection here?
Quote from: Zedd on January 18, 2007, 09:58:38 PM
Get smart had a spin off series...But sadly didnt last long....And you cant do a gadget anime without the orignal guy....It break my heart if they did
they did do a show called gaget boy, which I kinda thought was an anime version.
Quote from: Valynth on January 20, 2007, 09:56:12 PMNo, no it won't. I fail to see how you even have any logical evidence to support that it would, other than having everyone at work stations with guns literally pointed at their heads.
I'm pretty sure that's not how it works, at least not in China or the USSR. Let's start with a definition of Communism's goals. Let's say, ``less work, more pay.''
In pre-industrialized nations, they make very little money, and have to work long hours to get it. Communism, if it worked, would indeed give them less work and more pay. They would probably jump at the chance to work in an environment where they were forced to work at gunpoint. The sword of Damocles would be better than working the fields growing just enough food to stay starving for another year. If drought or pests hit, you're just as dead as if you were shot, and at least under Communism, you get to make the choice.
But Communism cannot work in agrarian economies. Without an organized means of production, it cannot function.
In industrialized nations, they have an organized means of production. Communism can function just fine.
But the people in industrialized nations already have much less work and much more pay than those in pre-industrialized nations. They have no desire to make Communism work, since in the best-case Mary Sue scenario, the pay and work would be about the same as what they have now. Naked self-interest will make the people loath to change the system.
So while Communism might be able to function in an industrialized nation, its citizens will try to make sure that it never does.
Edit:
Quote from: Valynth on January 20, 2007, 10:24:47 PMCOMMUNISM DIDN'T WORK IN RUSSIA! Whoever the hell fed you that crap must be have had their brains removed as children. I hate to tell ya this, not, but the Soviet Union COLLAPSED.
Actually, Communism *did* work in Russia. They now have less work and more pay. As soon as that happened, Communism collapsed. It's not a workable system for open-ended time frames, but it did allow them to jump ahead about 300 years (Russia had only abolished feudalism in 1861) in 70 years' time.
The things that they did in that time were terrible. Had I been in Russia at the time of the revolution, and had I known then what I know now about the economic transformation that Russia has undergone, I would have signed right up with the White army to fight for the Tzar.
Define for me "organized means of production" and then we'll talk, untill then you hinge your belief on a subject that you made in your own head.
The main problem with Communism is that they fail to see that the less you work, the less you produce, the less you produce, the less there is to go around. This is simple logic and applies EVERYWHERE, regardless of industrialization.
Quote from: Valynth on January 20, 2007, 10:24:47 PM
COMMUNISM DIDN'T WORK IN RUSSIA! Whoever the hell fed you that crap must be have had their brains removed as children. I hate to tell ya this, not, but the Soviet Union COLLAPSED.
..........Oh yeah. Forgot about that. Come to think of it, I think that opening sentence I used was from James's rant of how Communism has come close, but ultimately never works. :animesweat My mistake. (In my defense, though, my previous rant still says communism doesn't work. I'm just a bit defensive of it because it doesn't seem fair that the Republicans now use Communist as a synonym for "evil lunatic.")
But geez. I KNOW there was another nation that skipped Capitalism and went right to Communism. Which one? And did it work there?
But like I said. The most logical compromise between Capitalism and Communism is Socialism. Government has SOME hand in business, no-one has to die, and everyone still gets paid fairly. But as long as greed exists in any form, it probably still won't work.
What we need is for the biggest political extremists in the world to have a meeting and decide what the best way is. Just make sure the Republican extremists only have ONE representative, and that the representative's last name isn't Bush. Oh, and the Communist representative can't be from North Korea. (Whether the Libertarians and anarchists will even SEND representatives is doubtful.)
Quote from: Valynth on January 20, 2007, 10:55:43 PMDefine for me "organized means of production" and then we'll talk, untill then you hinge your belief on a subject that you made in your own head.
`kay. A pin factory. That's an organized means of production. A lone pin artisan, fashioning hat pins in Cornwall is not.
Quote from: Valynth on January 20, 2007, 10:55:43 PMThe main problem with Communism is that they fail to see that the less you work, the less you produce, the less you produce, the less there is to go around. This is simple logic and applies EVERYWHERE, regardless of industrialization.
This is not simple logic, and is not true anywhere. Let's take the pin factory, again. In the 18th century, a lone worker could scarcely make one pin a day. But if you get one man to draw out the wire, another to straighten it, a third to cut it, a fourth to points it, a fifth to grind it at the top for receiving the head, and so on, you could have ten men pumping out something like 48,000 pins per day.
That's less work. It's far higher efficiency. And since they're making more product, they'll get higher pay. That's what the less work, more pay concept is all about.
Quote from: Black_angel on January 20, 2007, 11:05:27 PMBut geez. I KNOW there was another nation that skipped Capitalism and went right to Communism. Which one? And did it work there?
China. Cuba. Vietnam. Korea. Cambodia. We're waiting to see how it turns out in those places (well, we know how Cambodia turned out). Basically, Communism is only attempted in feudal societies because that's the only place where people have any incentive to try it.
The only way to pay fairly is the let people decide what the pay should be based on supply and demand.
Letting everyone have a super-pay means that the currency becomes virtually worthless, currency becomes worthless, the Government collapses. Romans learned this the hard way. So long as resources are limited, there will ALWAYS be those that have and those that have not it's a simple fact of life. The thing about capitalism is that it will always try to reduce the losers and increase the winners, while Communism and Social just become lazy and throws everyone down to "loser" status. Communism and socialism primarily rely on an unlimmited supply of EVERYTHING (man power, food, loyalty, so on and so on) which is why they will eternally fail, because renewable though our resources are, they are not limitless at any given time. Also, Communism just removes the winning individuals and fills in with the faceless Government.
The problem with socialism is that it's exactly the same as Communism, they just refuse to aknowledge it. Afterall, the sum total of all society for a country is it's government so just like Communism, all power heads straight for the small group of 5 or so people in the government who, will naturally, abuse the heck outta it.
Superluser: Thats simply a matter of making the individual more effiecent, not nessicarily working less. Otherwise their production would always match the not-organized person.
Quote from: Valynth on January 20, 2007, 11:24:07 PMThe only way to pay fairly is the let people decide what the pay should be based on supply and demand.
So you think that we should let the invisible hand of the market set the price of things?
Quote from: Valynth on January 20, 2007, 11:24:07 PMall power heads straight for the small group of 5 or so people in the government who, will naturally, abuse the heck outta it.
I think it's more likely to be a Gang of Four (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gang_of_four). :B
Quote from: Valynth on January 20, 2007, 11:24:07 PMSuperluser: Thats simply a matter of making the individual more effiecent, not nessicarily working less. Otherwise their production would always match the not-organized person.
No, it's the concept that any means of production can be simplified. If I have to switch jobs every few minutes, I won't be as efficient as if I split the jobs up and did them repetitively. When you work it this way, you can do things like keep the grinder at full speed (remember, it was foot-powered in those days), which means far greater efficiency than you could achieve by making any one man super-efficient. I'm saying that you'll get something like a 4800-fold increase in productivity *per worker* this way.
Under Communism, it's chiefly the distribution that's (supposed to be) streamlined. When the only brand is Victory, you don't need to spend any money on advertising, and if you make supply and demand relatively stable, you can plan distribution with extreme efficiency.
Anyway, there's one more comment that I might make on this. Otherwise, I'll be back when we're talking about cartoons again.
Quote from: superluser on January 21, 2007, 12:09:30 AM
Quote from: Valynth on January 20, 2007, 11:24:07 PMThe only way to pay fairly is the let people decide what the pay should be based on supply and demand.
So you think that we should let the invisible hand of the market set the price of things?
Basically, yes, thats how the U.S. has worked thus far, and guess what? We're THE best country in the world. The only area in which any other country beats us is in population, but China is quickly closing the gap.
Quote from: superluser on January 21, 2007, 12:09:30 AM
Under Communism, it's chiefly the distribution that's (supposed to be) streamlined. When the only brand is Victory, you don't need to spend any money on advertising, and if you make supply and demand relatively stable, you can plan distribution with extreme efficiency.
Yes, Russia certainly did that with their bread /sarcasm.
That's not what I keep hearing...
Thats because unlike every other country the U.S. respects your right to free speach even though we don't agree with it. Try talking bad about other countries when you aren't in the U.S. You'll be arrested and/or killed so fast it ain't funny. Seriously, just try getting away with insulting the Monarchy system in England I DARE you.
Also to try if you don't mind prison or death:
1) Defending yourself from an attack in England. God help you if the attacker happens to be Muslim.
2) Saying Castro's dead in Cuba.
3) Being in North Korea
4) Pointing out the ineffectiveness of Communist farming in any place that practices it.
And everyone always skips right over canada.. cause nobody thinks of canada... yup...
How about we get back to bashing network execs for the rape of our childhoods.
....Whats a Canada? Oh wait, it's that place with the maple syrup and a great artist...beyond that.....well... I'm not sure exactly what Canada has...
Anyway, execs wreak our childhood, and what sells sells, so stop frigging buying it. Simple enough.
Try convincing an 8 year old that the original was better than the new version.
They'd just call you an old fuddy duddy :P
We must find our children the originals, for their own sake.
Just because all of the major Media industries got a good profit in 2006, they think they can make bad ripoffs of the old movies and shows.
They will BOMB in 2007! :mwaha :mwaha :mwaha :mwaha :mwaha :mwaha
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:mwaha :mwaha :mwaha :mwaha :mwaha :kruger :P :giggle
If they want to make good movies, they should either stay close to the original material or make up their own! Otherwise... :youfail
:smack :smack :smack :smack :smack :smack :smack :smack :boom :boom :tantrum :tantrum :knifed :knifed :piranha :piranha :bat :bat :redrum
to the media companies:
:plzdie
:orly
:yarly
:tohell :curseyou :smrt
sorry, couldn't resist. Also bored.
Edit:
So, they make cheat anime spoofs of the originals and put bad, overly censored mesages and dialog on them. No wonder true Japanese Anime is so popular right now: NOTHING'S CENSORED!
Sweet muffins above... how the hell did this thread go from cartoons to Communism in 3.5 pages?
Let's talk more about Care Bears :)
I'M ANGRY THAT THEY NEVER MADE A CARE BEAR COUSIN SQUIRREL. RAR!
it went from cartoons to communism in one post - the communism manifestoon.
Everything after that was gravy. Although it's about worn out it's welcome....
What brunny knows about communisim.
first off communisim isnt what most people think it is, communisim is the ideal that all goods and services can be distributed equally amongst all the population. the 'government' is essentially a large collective of people whose sole purpose is makeing sure theese goods and services are distributed properly. everybody does their thing, gets along fine, everyone is equally treated, and nobody is lording it over anybody else.
But it DOES NOT work, know why? we have yet to see an actual communist government last for more then a few years.
Russia/soviet union- shortly after karl marx was out of the scene it became the most blunt and bloody dictatorship ever seen. the 'government' decided what was best for them was best for everyone, even if it involved killing off hundreds of thousands of thier own people and letting everyone who wasnt dead starve. some fun facts about the USSR include how citizens were led to believe that everywhere else on the planet sucked worse then russia- a traveling group once visited milwaukee and were told that it was a fake city built by the capitalist pigs to create an illusion of being better then the soviet union in an attempt to lure people out of the union. MILWAUKEE, also known as 'cowtown' and 'americas armpit', currently one of the most segregated and unkept citties in the country. and they thought that place was paradice? apperantly so, after the fall of the union they willingly chose to move to the brew citty and told everyone this story.
Cuba- also morphed into dictatorship. like russia the propaganda was so effective that even people who fled the country still think of it so fondly. why did they leave? well theres bloody revolution every year and theres always that castro guy.
Korea- yet another dictatorship
vietnam- slightly less dic, still plenty of tator, and a smoky aftertaste of old world feudalisim
china- well now thats actually a capitalist/dictatorship style government now, and is even more blunt and bloody then russia ever was. political prisoners are 'dealt with' every day, often in the form of slightly shady organ donations. they monitor all media to screen out anything they deem to be unpatriotic, a hazzard to chinas sterling image, and any critisizim whatsoever of the government (which qualifies as 'political prisoner'). sometime find that footage of the kid and the tank in tienimen square, and tell me that dosent reek of dictatorship. the ironic part is that by the government owning 51% of all businesses they can ORDER companies to produce merchandice at a loss in order to undersell foreign products- thus letting them out capitalise capitalist countries they claim to be so supperior to because capitalisim has no place in china. this tactic only works by using tax money to keep theese businesses afloat untill they crush their compeditors...oh yeah, and by buying the crappyest raw materials known to man. back in the late 80s/early 90s a group of american dock workers staged a little protest against foreign cars from china and japan (note- japan USED to produce fecal matter for merchandice, now they lead the markets) by purposely misplaceing shipping orders. this meant that the cars could not be delivered and stayed at the docs for three months. at the end of the three months all the foreign cars were rusted husks when the dock workers american made cars that were parked not twenty feet away with absolutely no ill effect from being exposed to saltwater air for five years.
the big problem with communist governments is that thier very existance is like a prize waiting to be plucked by any enterprizing political figure. you just set up systems to distribute and regulate goods all across the country, you have a workforce of practiclly 100% of your population, and all the citizens now are under the belief that their government can do no wrong and is there to help the people. the conversion from communisim to dictatorship can happen overnight. anytime you hear someone ranting about 'the commies' you are sure that you are listening to someone with very few facts. mostly the 'commies' are merely people who are either far too patriotic for their own good or acting in fear of thier own fearsome leader who will do FAR worse things to their own people then any american will do to a prisoner.
theres problems at the functional level too- before it was said about mass production of goods right? well mass production falls to pieces when you set up quota systems like most 'communist' governments do. an example is in said pin factory the government states that for X number of workers you should produce Y pounds of pins every day. know what? those X number of workers know they arent going to get a red ruble, quarter peso, or half a cent if they put any extra work in at all. so youll find that they produce Y pounds of nails to the ounce, and Y pounds of nails are usually made of slightly heavyer material then they need be and contain a lot of flaws that should have been thrown out or corrected. this pin thing is actually a minor translation to a real account of a nail factory which slipped past its quota for pounds of nails by makeing bigger nails out of cheaper grades of iron.
its even WORSE on the profesional level though. ever hear of those people who kept going on "in the old country i used to be a cardiologist" or a psychaiatrist or a this or a that. know why they chose to wiait tables, flip burgers, and mop floors? cause back in the old country you were paid exactly the same if you were a brain surgon or if you were a stockboy at the grocers. what made it even more miserable is the USSR would often times tell people what they would be educated to be, based on the sole reason that thats the kind of job they need without even bothering to match people with skills or intrests to those jobs. thus you may get someone who can barely tie thier shoe building the new lybrary and someone with an IQ of 220 scrubbing toilets. if theres nothing other then prestege as a reward for spending eight years in college to set you appart from burger flippers, why bother?
not as horriffic but even more crippling was the farming. cause you also got paid the same and were gauranteed shelter and food regardless of how much you produce. this wouldnt be soo bad if it werent for the really stupid farming commune idea- essentially you told everyone this wasnt thier land, those arent their tools, and theese arent thier livestock. but you gotta take care of them anyway, at least untill we rotate you with another farmer next year. so you had a long string of farmers who never once bothered to fertilize the ground- why should you? your not going to get a bigger harvest because by harvest time your working in a diffrent farm. nobody took care of the tools, cause they werent thiers and any time and effort you put into repairing them went unrewarded. and nobdoy gave a rats patoot about the animals other then keeping them not dead. NOW can you understand why the soviets were starving?
additionally with competition being discouraged innovation was stagnant. those big rockets everyone was affraid of? mostly duds, supposedly they only had a one in four chance of even launching, and a one in fourteen of hitting anything they were aimed at. the point that got me was when an american offered a soviet a pocket calculator, and the soviet was shocked that such a complex device would be sold to the home sector where any consumer could buy it. when told that three diffrent companies sold them, each with its own strengths and weaknesses (one was more powerfull, another cheaper, and a third had many more features) the soviet could not understand how anyone would be so wastefull as to make anything that someone else was already makeing. completely missing the point that if the three companies werent constantly trying to outdoo the others the calculators would have been nearly useless and cost a fortune and never have a new and improved model.
in conclusion i wholeheartedly thing communisim is a great form of government....assuming you can pull it off without a dictator or telling everyone that no matter how hard they work they still get just as much as everyone else.
also, anime carebears would probably be the ONE show they decide not to increase the levels of political correctness and just turn the thing into multicoloured bears immitateing dragon ball Z with kung fu and energy blasts agaisnt foes who have power levels of 26716827 or higher
QuoteDemocracy is by far the worst form of government, assife from all the others that is
Quote from: RJ on January 21, 2007, 05:56:10 AM
Sweet muffins above... how the hell did this thread go from cartoons to Communism in 3.5 pages?
Let's talk more about Care Bears :)
I'M ANGRY THAT THEY NEVER MADE A CARE BEAR COUSIN SQUIRREL. RAR!
Care Bear Cousin MuffinBomb. An orange squirrel with a purple nuclear cloud shaped muffin on her stomach. And thus a squirrel has been created! :3
I was driving to school the other day, and I saw a billboard showing Cinderella 3.
"Aw man, why you have to go and do that? Bastards."
ive known about C3 for over a year now. as horrible as the concepts of C2 and the little mermaid 2 were, C3 actually has some ammount of creativity behind it.
i can only hope they dont pretty princess the ever lovin fecal matter out of it. they have a tendancy to target theese movies towards 8 year old girls by cramming it so full of teaparties and dresses it makes me sad for anyone who is 35 and remembers back when THEY watched it too.
QuoteMr. Bunnsy looked over at farmer Jone's field. The field was full of lettuces. Mr. Bunnsy was not full of lettuces. Mr. Bunnsy thought this was unfair.
On a studio-bashing tangent, Orville Redenbacher is back from the dead and has a taste for human brains (http://stashmedia.tv/feed/Digital_Music_30_AZOR6012.mov)! :zombiekun2
This is terrible. I remember a few years back when they had Fred Astaire edited into a commercial for vacuum cleaners. But that was actually Fred Astaire. This is just terrible.
Quote from: Manawolf on January 21, 2007, 02:00:43 PM
I was driving to school the other day, and I saw a billboard showing Cinderella 3.
"Aw man, why you have to go and do that? Bastards."
Oh great, now they're getting into making trilogies... It was only a matter of time before they did that. Now we'll be getting Bambi 3 probably :<
I never saw the second, and I never plan to do so either.
Ive only got five words for this thread at this point. Those are........."Loonatics" and "New Scooby Doo Mysteries"
Quote from: RJ on January 22, 2007, 02:21:17 AMQuote from: Manawolf on January 21, 2007, 02:00:43 PMI was driving to school the other day, and I saw a billboard showing Cinderella 3. "Aw man, why you have to go and do that? Bastards."
Oh great, now they're getting into making trilogies... It was only a matter of time before they did that. Now we'll be getting Bambi 3 probably :<
And yet still no Robin Hood 2. Or a proper re-release.
Quote from: Teroniss on January 22, 2007, 02:29:37 AM
Ive only got five words for this thread at this point. Those are........."Loonatics" and "New Scooby Doo Mysteries"
We've been KNOWING about them. You forgot "Shag and Scooby Doo get a Clue" though. Surprisingly, the new "Tom and Jerry" has stayed pretty true to its roots.
And I know there have probably been thousands of furries begging Disney to re-release Robin Hood. They don't ask for a sequel because they already know where that's going to lead.
Quote from: Teroniss on January 22, 2007, 02:29:37 AM
Ive only got five words for this thread at this point. Those are........."Loonatics" and "New Scooby Doo Mysteries"
The second season of loonatics is getting better If only because they have started introducing other looney toon chars
Granny, tweety, sylvester, yosemity sam, hell saterdays's ep even had several send ups to the old road runner cartoons with the coyote falling off cliffs
and the new scooby do mysteries aren't too bad It's Shaggy and scooby do get a clue thats terrible
Futher note...Orville Redenbacher comercial..Thats so wrong...Very wrong..
the mental image of granny as a superhero done in quazi anime style is burning my retenas.
out of the blue i have to express my fondness for 'the thirteen ghosts of scooby doo' despite being mildly unimpressed with regular scooby doo. maybe it was the addition of actual peril that changed things. also, the design of the chest itself was pretty cool
QuoteThats 32 flavors of creepy right there
Quote from: Aridas Soulfire on January 22, 2007, 02:41:53 AM
Quote from: RJ on January 22, 2007, 02:21:17 AMQuote from: Manawolf on January 21, 2007, 02:00:43 PMI was driving to school the other day, and I saw a billboard showing Cinderella 3. "Aw man, why you have to go and do that? Bastards."
Oh great, now they're getting into making trilogies... It was only a matter of time before they did that. Now we'll be getting Bambi 3 probably :<
And yet still no Robin Hood 2. Or a proper re-release.
No Alice in Wonderland 2 either though. Thank goodness for that.
Quote from: RJ on January 22, 2007, 03:32:04 AMNo Alice in Wonderland 2 either though. Thank goodness for that.
But there was an Alice in Wonderland 2 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Through_the_looking_glass).
Quote from: superluser on January 22, 2007, 05:51:17 AM
Quote from: RJ on January 22, 2007, 03:32:04 AMNo Alice in Wonderland 2 either though. Thank goodness for that.
But there was an Alice in Wonderland 2 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Through_the_looking_glass).
Ah yes... let's hope Disney doesn't take it and put it through the shredder first if they ever make a sequel.
Quote from: RJ on January 22, 2007, 06:01:03 AM
Quote from: superluser on January 22, 2007, 05:51:17 AM
But there was an Alice in Wonderland 2 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Through_the_looking_glass).
Ah yes... let's hope Disney doesn't take it and put it through the shredder first if they ever make a sequel.
Given the content.... could you tell?
There is a Cinderella 3. It's already been made... :U
Disney must be A-bombed.. immediately!
Quote from: Manawolf on January 22, 2007, 02:45:43 AM
Quote from: Teroniss on January 22, 2007, 02:29:37 AM
Ive only got five words for this thread at this point. Those are........."Loonatics" and "New Scooby Doo Mysteries"
We've been KNOWING about them. You forgot "Shag and Scooby Doo get a Clue" though. Surprisingly, the new "Tom and Jerry" has stayed pretty true to its roots.
And I know there have probably been thousands of furries begging Disney to re-release Robin Hood. They don't ask for a sequel because they already know where that's going to lead.
Robin Hood: Most Wanted Edition. Technically, the special edition. But gah... still not enough bonus features on it. -_- Not that I would expect them to, seeing as how it was the first ever Disney movie that Walt didn't have anything to do with.
Also, they've been playing it a lot on tv and actually acknowledging it again, after ignoring it for about 12-13 years. I'm fearing they are about to make a Robin Hood 2. :/ My favorite Disney movie is about to join the craptastic sequel group..
you can actually blame robin hood the disney version for the widespread popularity of furrs. they stated that originally it would have been a human, but liked the idea of telling the story in a diffrent way. the concept was "how would the animals have told the story?" somehow popped up and then suddenly anthros found a place in the disney lineup for following movies. mickey mouse? not really movie material, and only he and his friends had a show. after anthros became more popular you found chip and dale and goofy getting all thier own shows.
disney movies and series are well over half of the anthropomorphic charicters anyone here has ever been exposed to, the rest consisting mostly of buggs bunny and such. ones like woody woodpecker are kind of 'green party' in this game.
blame disney for doing foxes in tunics, bears flying planes, chipmonks in hawian shirts, lions who would be kings, singing crabs, bouncing bears, and filthy rich ducks. enough of them made us think this was a lot more normal then if robin hood hadnt been a fox and about half those shows would have reached us.
cause there woldnt be a ninja turtle if we hadnt had a stottish duck
:mikelo2 "I didn't do anything to any duck, that paternity test was a lie!"
QuoteArt is making something out of nothing and selling it.
Quote from: Brunhidden da Muse on January 22, 2007, 02:01:13 PMdisney movies and series are well over half of the anthropomorphic charicters anyone here has ever been exposed to, the rest consisting mostly of buggs bunny and such. ones like woody woodpecker are kind of 'green party' in this game.
I dunno. Woody Woodpecker, Looney Tunes/Merrie Melodies et al. are generally considered not furry. They're talking animals, which allows narratives to be constructed more easily. They are not generally considered to be people of a different species.
On the other hand, Rocky and Bullwinkle, Underdog, King Leonardo and His Short Subjects, among others are pretty decisively furry. And they predate both Robin Hood and The Jungle Book.
Quote from: superluser on January 22, 2007, 02:42:23 PM
And they predate both Robin Hood and The Jungle Book.
... I presume you're referring to the Disney Movie versions thereof, and not the original books...
Quote from: llearch n'n'daCorna on January 22, 2007, 04:09:50 PMQuote from: superluser on January 22, 2007, 02:42:23 PMAnd they predate both Robin Hood and The Jungle Book.
... I presume you're referring to the Disney Movie versions thereof, and not the original books...
Well, in the case of The Jungle Book, yes. In the case of Robin Hood, there really wasn't an original book. Anyways, we were discussing the Disney animated feature of Robin Hood, so specifying that they were the animated feature versions should have been unnecessary.
Quote from: Alondro on January 22, 2007, 11:01:32 AM
There is a Cinderella 3. It's already been made... :U
Disney must be A-bombed.. immediately!
Yeah.
Cartoon Network makes enough quality animation shows (like Foster's Home for Imaginary Friends) to render Di$ney obsolete. And Dreamworks makes better feature-length animated movies (like Shrek, though that is looking like it's going into sequel hell, too). What was the last good Disney cartoon again? Something without a princess that breaks into a sappy song at the drop of a hat....
Maybe The Incredibles could count (3 years ago), Nightmare before Christmas was good (14 years ago), the Great Mouse Detective ( over 20 years ago ("Let me be good to you")) and some before that. The rest has a high Singing Sappy Princess factor, high Political-Correctness / Touchy-Feely factor, and rates rather low on the coolness factor.
About the only thing Disney has right now, animation or otherwise is Pirates of the Caribbean.
Other than that, they're dead and have been since Walt died.
They brought us Gargoyles though, you gotta give them that.
Quote from: Llewelyn on January 26, 2007, 10:24:01 AM
They inflicted Gargoyles on us though, you gotta give them that.
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It started out promising, but at some point it went :tohell
Quote from: Llewelyn on January 26, 2007, 10:24:01 AMThey brought us the Coen Brothers though, you gotta give them that.
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