04/13/09 [DMFA #992] - Angry Abel and Apologetic Aci

[joshofspam]

Ah, with all the Star Wars Hype that came from the new star wars. I was pleasantly amused by the Robot chicken Star Wars theme based episodes.

Yes I think Jar Jars race is cool, I just don't like Jar Jar. I mean who didn't like it when Darth Vader throw him out an air lock only to have him come back like old Ben did. Maybe that's why Vaders so angry all the time (Oooohs Anakin you killed another general uses going to have to reanges yous upper managements again). Yes I can't really right his language all that well, but if that's what vader had to deal with maybe we should blame it wasn't all his fault. 

But with onto the whole grand kids and Kria subject, if this second relationship doesn't work out in Kria's eyes do you think she'll throttle Dan. I mean it took allot of convincing from her daughter to not kill Jyrras. So do you think she'll be less restrained with a second relationship crash from her point of view.

[tiggertoo]

I think we're almost guaranteed a visit to Lost Lake Inn by Kria now -- she's got to check on how the father of her future grandkids is doing after all (and is very likely to announce it to Dan in just that manner -- hopefully Lorenda will have had a moment to clue Dan in on their new "relationship" by then (however, as we know, the comic rule is "it's always too late")).

I wonder if Kria came with Lorenda this time to help get Dan back home? I'm guessing no -- she probably just helped with the patching up. I figure Lorenda carried Dan and Fi provided teleport, once Fi was finished with the sandwiches.

[llearch n'n'daCorna]

I believe you're confusing Kria and Fa'Lina.

Kria, we don't know how she's going to react. Possibly you'll be right, possibly not. I suspect she'll still be scandalising Lorenda for years to come, which is not immediately congruent with the grandkiddy act.

[icarus]

"You call me Grandma now.  Call me grandma like crazy!"

only surfing you do now is under a big wave of responsability!

[thegayhare]

there is an interesting episode of the new clone wars series that seems to back up that piont.  In a scene where Jar Jar went out to nagotiate with a group of pirates.  the leader of his clone escorts held his troops back sure that Jar Jar could handle the wequey and there tanks on his own.  He managed to destroy the tanks and cut power to the pirates base on his own, accidently of course.

That's the exact scene I was talking about.  He 'accidentally' takes out an entire squad of tanks by tripping over a rock or something.

Ohh I thought you ment the scene from the movie where he accidently destroyed a number of driod tanks...

See thats something that bothers me more then Jar Jar... the way the driod army uses vehicals... why would a robotic army have tanks with standard controls?  While they would need troop transports why are there any controls in a driod tank... the tanks should be driods themselves like the vulture driods (the driod army space fighters)  the same goes for the driod navy's ships.  Why are there control panels rather then hardwired driod operators,  why are there gunnery stations that need to be manned rather then opperated by hardwired driod inteligances,  Why is there even an atmosphere maintained in the driod ships in the instances with no living crew.

[llearch n'n'daCorna]

repair is often easier if you can access, but, as you say, with no living crew, the atmosphere becomes a heavy price to pay - it leaks, corrodes, and causes failures.

Of course, you also have to cart it about with you. There could be the issue of the robots in the ship not being rated for space, but since that's a single atmosphere difference, one would think it relatively trivial to make sure they become so...

[tiggertoo]

....  Why is there even an atmosphere maintained in the driod ships in the instances with no living crew.

That part I can answer. Cooling and general thermoregulation of the ship and the droids for starters. Vastly easier to deal with all this when you have an atmosphere you can circulate throughout the ship (and for each droid to use for their own cooling/heating as well) -- amongst other things, you don't want to drop droids that are as cold as space down on a planet that is hundreds of degrees warmer. Also, there is the issue of static regulation -- items in vacuum can build up incredible static charges - which does nasty things when they touch other charged items. Also, materials behave quite differently in vacuum versus atmosphere (many quite stable materials on Earth break down like mad when exposed to vacuum and the enormous range of temperature cycling in space for a while). You have a vastly wider array of materials you could use to build droids for in-atmospheric use (no doubt with much cheaper materials available in most cases -- remember, these droids are a very commercial product, made as cheaply as possible); and the droids also only have to be designed for in-atmospheric use (and for a vastly more narrow range of operating temperatures) -- which is how they are to be used after all -- making them far simpler and cheaper to design and build.

All that said, there is absolutely *no* reason to have an oxygen environment, and lots of reasons *not* to have an oxygen environment -- a pure nitrogen atmosphere would be much better -- inert under most reasonable conditions, and quite cheaply supplied.

[inuhanyo]

Ohh I thought you ment the scene from the movie where he accidently destroyed a number of driod tanks...

See thats something that bothers me more then Jar Jar... the way the driod army uses vehicals... why would a robotic army have tanks with standard controls?  While they would need troop transports why are there any controls in a driod tank... the tanks should be driods themselves like the vulture driods (the driod army space fighters)  the same goes for the driod navy's ships.  Why are there control panels rather then hardwired driod operators,  why are there gunnery stations that need to be manned rather then opperated by hardwired driod inteligances,  Why is there even an atmosphere maintained in the driod ships in the instances with no living crew.

Because no one had had  a war in a long time, and the only warship designs they had to start with were for biological crews.  And their generals were biological.

[Shachza]

...there is absolutely *no* reason to have an oxygen environment...

Contrary to some of the movie antics General Grievus(sp?) doesn't look very 'air tight.' 



So I'm seeing a scene that's soon-to-be...  Kria walks in and asks how the father of her future grandchildren is.  Lorenda stammers something about not dating anymore.  Wildy and Kria go at it to be first to beat the crap out of Dan.

[Corgatha Taldorthar]

Because the person who writes a starship captain saying "I made the Kessel run in under 12 parsecs" with parsecs being a unit of distance probably didn't think these things out? (And yes, I read the EU stuff about the Maw. I still don't believe Lucas knew the difference.

Grevious has a lot of problems as well. Look at the fight he has with Obi-Wan. He's strong enough to dent concrete, or whatever they use for flooring of hangars, but Obi-Wan manages to pull that pike/staff thing right out of his hands. Also, why does shooting him in the chest make his head catch fire?



As to the real DMFA stuff, I heard somewhere (one of the Sunday chats, I think) that Matilda will be showing the next arc. My money would be on any problems with Kria being taken to her doorstep.

[tiggertoo]

It's very amusing to me to see the amount of brainpower applied to explaining away the various gaffes, hoseups, and general stupidities Lucas dumped all over the whole Star Wars universe -- vastly more brainpower than Lucas used to create any of it, I guarantee. (Though this is hardly limited to Star Wars. I would be very hard pressed to name one single scifi movie or series that was *not* riddled with absolutely absurd situations, idiotic designs, and ridiculously illogical plot elements.)

I hope we do get to see Matilda soon - she's one of my favorites. Maybe she'll bring Dan some chicken soup to make him feel all better.

[inuhanyo]

I hope we do get to see Matilda soon - she's one of my favorites. Maybe she'll bring Dan some chicken soup to make him feel all better.

Having lost a lot of blood, I think Dan will actually need to eat something.  I hope Mab doesn't try brownies.

[Ganurath]

I hope we do get to see Matilda soon - she's one of my favorites. Maybe she'll bring Dan some chicken soup to make him feel all better.

Having lost a lot of blood, I think Dan will actually need to eat something.  I hope Mab doesn't try brownies.

So does Dan, I'm sure.

Back to Wee Jee: What's the crunch on Gungans?

[thegayhare]

repair is often easier if you can access, but, as you say, with no living crew, the atmosphere becomes a heavy price to pay - it leaks, corrodes, and causes failures.

True but you can do it both ways, since some of the ships do carry living crew and live prisnors.  but even with the idea that maintenance would be easier you still don't need a manualy consols on a droid ship.  With integrated droid controllers at station pionts you would be able to avoid some of the problems that crop up in the show.  For example in one ep Anikan broke in to the command deck. killed all the droids and then altered the course to cause the ship to crash into a moon.  If the navi station didn't have any external controls like that and had the integrated droid intelegance that wouldn't have worked.

Also with droid tanks if you take out all the crew space you'd get alot smaller target for the jedi to blow up and you'd remove the instances of having clones using your weapons against you.

Because no one had had  a war in a long time, and the only warship designs they had to start with were for biological crews.  And their generals were biological.

Ok so maybe having the shisp open to vacum isn't a good idea I hadn't thought of the temperture differances.  But that could be solved by keeping ground troops deactivated in there landing craft.  the landing craft could be presurised and heated.  and we do know that these ships can safely go from space to atmo.  this way guards and ship crew would never have to leave the space ships.  But it might be easier to use a inert gass rather then a breathable atmo. Not all there ships were under the control of a biological general,  lately they have been showing ships under conrtol of these goofy looking tactical driods.  even if the ship had a biological commanders the whole ship needn't be supplied with breathable air, just the command deck, crew quarters, mess, and the like.  In one scene we've seen that the driod ships have brigs so you may say the need to keep prisnors alive but they wouldn't need to put air in the whole ship for that.  make the doors to the cell a double doored airlock breathable air inside, inert gas outside and they'd have no way to escape.  also it would be buch harder for enemies to preform bording actions if they couldn't breath once on board.  combat in a space suit against unencumbered driods would be much harder

[Alondro]

It's very amusing to me to see the amount of brainpower applied to explaining away the various gaffes, hoseups, and general stupidities Lucas dumped all over the whole Star Wars universe -- vastly more brainpower than Lucas used to create any of it, I guarantee. (Though this is hardly limited to Star Wars. I would be very hard pressed to name one single scifi movie or series that was *not* riddled with absolutely absurd situations, idiotic designs, and ridiculously illogical plot elements.)

You mean Dr. Who isn't completely true-to-life?! 

I guess I should stop trying to build a TARDIS... 

[JackTheCubiWolf]

It's very amusing to me to see the amount of brainpower applied to explaining away the various gaffes, hoseups, and general stupidities Lucas dumped all over the whole Star Wars universe -- vastly more brainpower than Lucas used to create any of it, I guarantee. (Though this is hardly limited to Star Wars. I would be very hard pressed to name one single scifi movie or series that was *not* riddled with absolutely absurd situations, idiotic designs, and ridiculously illogical plot elements.)

You mean Dr. Who isn't completely true-to-life?! 

I guess I should stop trying to build a TARDIS... 

Old, new, or both Docter Who series Tardis.

[mopman]

Why do I think its possible there may be a small dispute between Windy and Lorenda over who gets to help Dan recover ?

Ok , it may be wishfull thinking on my part , too much Manga reading 

[Rakala]

there is an interesting episode of the new clone wars series that seems to back up that piont.  In a scene where Jar Jar went out to nagotiate with a group of pirates.  the leader of his clone escorts held his troops back sure that Jar Jar could handle the wequey and there tanks on his own.  He managed to destroy the tanks and cut power to the pirates base on his own, accidently of course.

That's the exact scene I was talking about.  He 'accidentally' takes out an entire squad of tanks by tripping over a rock or something.

Ohh I thought you ment the scene from the movie where he accidently destroyed a number of driod tanks...

See thats something that bothers me more then Jar Jar... the way the driod army uses vehicals... why would a robotic army have tanks with standard controls?  While they would need troop transports why are there any controls in a driod tank... the tanks should be driods themselves like the vulture driods (the driod army space fighters)  the same goes for the driod navy's ships.  Why are there control panels rather then hardwired driod operators,  why are there gunnery stations that need to be manned rather then opperated by hardwired driod inteligances,  Why is there even an atmosphere maintained in the driod ships in the instances with no living crew.

The tanks don't have standard controls. There isn't anybody in the tank in the cannon explanation. The tanks are not tanks, they're really big droids. The original explanation was they were AI run.

[Naldru]

You mean Dr. Who isn't completely true-to-life?! 

I guess I should stop trying to build a TARDIS... 

According to Larry Niven, constructing a working TARDIS would result in disruptions to the space time continuum that would have resulted in your not having built a TARDIS.  So you may have succeeded.  You'll never know.

[terrycloth]

Holding an atmosphere doesn't seem to be very difficult in the star wars universe -- I mean, for all we know, space is full of air in their universe. It would explain a lot!

Like, you know, the time where they flew the millennium falcon into a hole in an asteroid, opened the door, got out and walked around with tiny little gas masks as their only protection. All the ships being streamlined and/or looking like they're about to fall apart -- how in the world could the Millenium Falcon still be airtight? And all their docking bays are open to space...

No, wait, there was one episode of the clone wars tv series that confirmed that space had vacuum. Foo.

[JackTheCubiWolf]

Why do I think its possible there may be a small dispute between Windy and Lorenda over who gets to help Dan recover ?

Ok , it may be wishfull thinking on my part , too much Manga reading 

Windy? Who's Windy?

[Alondro]

You mean Dr. Who isn't completely true-to-life?! 

I guess I should stop trying to build a TARDIS... 

According to Larry Niven, constructing a working TARDIS would result in disruptions to the space time continuum that would have resulted in your not having built a TARDIS.  So you may have succeeded.  You'll never know.

Unless you can create a universe of infinite space within a universe of infinite space, assuming relative space is meaningless outside the bounds of that particular universe.  In which case, there'd be no door into it, cuz then the two universes would link and blow up.. or implode?  I dunno.   

[thegayhare]

The tanks don't have standard controls. There isn't anybody in the tank in the cannon explanation. The tanks are not tanks, they're really big droids. The original explanation was they were AI run.

actualy your wrong there

The standard AAT tanks used by the droid army used standard crew sets with stations for 4 differnt driods

as seen here in a diagram from Wookieepedia



http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/starwars/images/6/62/AAT_ep1ig.png

[inuhanyo]

Holding an atmosphere doesn't seem to be very difficult in the star wars universe -- I mean, for all we know, space is full of air in their universe. It would explain a lot!

Like, you know, the time where they flew the millennium falcon into a hole in an asteroid, opened the door, got out and walked around with tiny little gas masks as their only protection. All the ships being streamlined and/or looking like they're about to fall apart -- how in the world could the Millenium Falcon still be airtight? And all their docking bays are open to space...

No, wait, there was one episode of the clone wars tv series that confirmed that space had vacuum. Foo.

The docking bays use force fields to retain atmosphere while letting ships pass through.  OK, they didn't think out carefully the implications of that, but they do have a hand wave.

A lot of their ships take off and land on planets with atmospheres, hence the need for streamlining.  Besides, streamlined ships look cool.

And remember the MST3K Mantra: "It's just a movie, I should really just relax."
Also Bellisarios Maxim: "Don't examine this too closely."

It's Space Opera, they didn't do the research carefully.  Yeah, if I think about, it bothers me too.

[Turnsky]

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[Ganurath]

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I'll have to ask her if she RPs the gungan accent next time I see her doing one of these.

[Garsemor]

I have compiled a list of things we are most likely to see:
1. Able shredding Fi.
2. A long dialog between Wildy and Alexsi regarding Dan.
3. Projectile vomiting.
4. A small clip about what is happening to Merlitz.
5. Fi mentioning Devin.
6. Absolute chaos.
7. Amber saying that she was attacked by a Tyrannosaurus-lochness monster hybrid and there by being unable to release on time.
8. etc...

These are but a few of my expectations of what will happen next.

[Tapewolf]

I have compiled a list of things we are most likely to see:
1. Able shredding Fi.

Since the subtitle on that strip is "He won't really do it", I beg to differ.  The others are all plausible...

Also, it's "Abel"   

[Buhamet]

I'm half expecting Wildy to go to Dan's room to check up on him..... it'd lead to some generally average diologue for the situation, if dan was even awake

I'm hoping for the accidental mention of Devin though, just to see how heavily Abel would freak out, lols

[ishidan]

I have compiled a list of things we are most likely to see:
1. Able shredding Fi.

Since the subtitle on that strip is "He won't really do it", I beg to differ.  The others are all plausible...

Also, it's "Abel"   

You went after that, and not "driods"?