04/13/09 [DMFA #992] - Angry Abel and Apologetic Aci

[Kenway975]

Now, it would be epic if the next panel had Fi sliced up and dead, and Abel going "Apology accepted."

You presume that blending would kill Fi, rather than merely being extremely unpleasant.

*stretches joke even more* Depends. Is it a Blendtec blender? They are really powerful...

It probably does not matter what type of blender. We have evidence that unless Abel was using magic to prevent Fi from using his abilities, he could presumably jump into some object. Like what happened when Pip attacked Fi. Also, if Abel killed Fi then Fa'lina might do something like this...

I have drawn it:
http://i255.photobucket.com/albums/hh121/RentheKnight/Iforgiveyou.png

but with the text appropriately modified for the situation.

[Saist]

Also, great sketch, Amber. Love the Gungan. Where does this Jar-Jar hate come from anyway? Anyway, good luck with the t-shirt designs.

I'm hardly neutral on this matter... so I'll give my point of view. In the original 3 Star Wars films the characters of C3PO and R2D2 served both as comic relief, and as methods by which to frame the exploits of the characters. When R2 gave his calculations on Luke's (and Han's) survival at the start of Empire Strikes Back, you could feel the little droid's misery just as much as Leia's.

When episodes 1-3 were made however... Lucas tried to recreate the dynamics that made C3PO and R2D2 work in his first three efforts... and failed.

First, there was the accent... after just 30 minutes of listening to Jar Jar most people just want to slice his tongue off. C3PO at least had an off switch.

Second, the shenanigans. C3PO and R2D2 were rarely used as plot devices to GET everybody else in trouble. Exampling the scene(s) at Mos Eisely Space Port. While C3PO and R2D2 were responsible for the imperial guards showing interest, there was nothing they did themselves that caused the interest. Then again in the Cantina scene, where the two droids left rather than cause trouble. By the second and third original films, the two droids were serving as catalysts to get everybody OUT of trouble. Case in point being R2D2 smuggling in Luke's lightsabre, and C3PO being left in the dark to fool Jabba as to the intentions of "everbody" else.

Jar Jar... however... was constantly used as a plot device to put the jedi in danger. Not that I want to watch Episode 1 again, but seriously, when did Jar Jar do something that didn't result in some kind of trouble? Then the whole tie in with Jar Jar being used to put Palpatine into power? Jar Jar as a plot device was overkill.

Third, the representation. Episodes 1-3 just didn't capture the magic of the first three films. In truth, the non-George Lucas produced material turned out much better, and I'm thinking of stuff like the Jedi Knight video game series. Jar Jar is a convenient target to shoot at because he (as a character) represents much of how George Lucas just completely lost it. One of the other webcomics I read, Darths and Droids, does a good job of deconstructing the various events that made absolutely no sense in the movies. Seriously, I'm outright depressed at how many problems I missed when watching Episodes 1 and 2 (so far), and ecstatic that somehow I didn't pick up on them to begin with.

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Okay, to the comic... and just what would have Able done ANYWAYS to DP? Pout?

[Ganurath]

Jar-Jar Binks is an abomination unto sci-fi. Wee-Jee, on the other hand, is very much the good.

Ah, threats of violence. Is there anything you can't sol-

What's that fire? You can cross language barriers? I'll have to keep that in mind!

[Tapewolf]

Okay, to the comic... and just what would have Able done ANYWAYS to DP? Pout?

Abel seems to have spent centuries learning survivalism if what Dee said to Alexsi is accurate.  And from Fa'Lina's comments in AS2, it seems that his initial interest was in fighting Aniz.  Hence, if he's spent 400 years without learning a single defensive or offensive spell, I would be very, very surprised.  At the very least he'd serve as a distraction.

EDIT:
Case in point, the Sword Trick.  That would certainly make for an interesting battle.

[GabrielsThoughts]

does wildly seem darker than usual?

[Kenway975]

Okay, to the comic... and just what would have Able done ANYWAYS to DP? Pout?

Abel seems to have spent centuries learning survivalism if what Dee said to Alexsi is accurate.  And from Fa'Lina's comments in AS2, it seems that his initial interest was in fighting Aniz.  Hence, if he's spent 400 years without learning a single defensive or offensive spell, I would be very, very surprised.  At the very least he'd serve as a distraction.

EDIT:
Case in point, the Sword Trick.  That would certainly make for an interesting battle.

Another part that would make it a really interesting battle: Abel's hemophobia.

hmmm.... projectile vomit? nah, too gross. (sorry to those I grossed out by mentioning the idea)

[Tapewolf]

Another part that would make it a really interesting battle: Abel's hemophobia.

Very true.  I'm not sure how I forgot that, though to be fair we don't know to what extent he's able to control it after 375 years of study.

If he still can't, I guess he'd have to act as a distraction, which would still have been very handy for Dan in this instance.

[Shachza]

I'm still thinking that if a Warp-Aci can ignore gravity at will, I'm sure they can ignore more "conventional" concepts too.  I see them being a lot like fae:

I don't want the blender to blend me, therefore it doesn't.

Of course they probably aren't fae, so I'm also probably over the line where their actual abilities end.  We don't need two races in one world with the ability:

I want to have hugged you, therefore you have been hugged!




I agree with all the Jar-Jar hate.  The character is annoying at its core, is preset too often, and is such a blatant contrivance that I just want to break Lucas.  The one episode of the Clone Wars series on TV now that I saw Jar-Jar in had him take out a squad of Pirate Hovertanks.  I could understand tripping over a rock and maybe blowing up 1 with an accidental thermal detonator explosion, but tripping and starting a chain reaction that blows up like 5 tanks over the course of a minute as they all end up shooting eachother?!

[techmaster-glitch]

Another part that would make it a really interesting battle: Abel's hemophobia.

Very true.  I'm not sure how I forgot that, though to be fair we don't know to what extent he's able to control it after 375 years of study.

Not Very Well, If I Recall.

[Kenway975]

Another part that would make it a really interesting battle: Abel's hemophobia.

Very true.  I'm not sure how I forgot that, though to be fair we don't know to what extent he's able to control it after 375 years of study.

Not Very Well, If I Recall.

but that was a non-combat situation. you normally expect blood in a combat situation, and thus Abel would not be as blind-sided.

[Tapewolf]

Not Very Well, If I Recall.

Perhaps.  From what Amber was saying at the time, there may be more to that incident than meets the eye.  If you want, I can dig it up, but it was something to the tune of 'Abel has told at least one lie [in strip 627], but that he has haemophobia isn't it'.

If he has managed to control it - which his penchant for sharp things like swords and the axe he was attacking Dan with might suggest - that incident may have been a bit too close to what happened to Hennya for him to keep it in, so to speak.

EDIT:
http://nice.llearch.net/dmfa_forum3165.htm#ref43
"As for Abel, he is lying about something in this comic, but its not the hemophobia."

...'course for all we know it's a lie about the origami

[llearch n'n'daCorna]

I agree with all the Jar-Jar hate.  The character is annoying at its core, is preset too often, and is such a blatant contrivance that I just want to break Lucas.  The one episode of the Clone Wars series on TV now that I saw Jar-Jar in had him take out a squad of Pirate Hovertanks.  I could understand tripping over a rock and maybe blowing up 1 with an accidental thermal detonator explosion, but tripping and starting a chain reaction that blows up like 5 tanks over the course of a minute as they all end up shooting eachother?!

I once saw someone putting together an argument that Jar-Jar showed true Jedi nature. Whilst it would horrify me to see him being tagged as a Jedi (about on par with the suggestion in UserFriendly, about Attack of the Clones, before it came out, suggesting that the clones in question were clones of Jar-Jar *shudder*), the argument was clearly substantive; he just is, and things happen the way he wants - he isn't trying to kill tanks, he just attempts to help, and accidentally drops a cart full of those exploding balls onto one of them; he doesn't try to shoot everything, he just is, and they fall down; etc etc. It was a well-researched discussion, and I wish I knew where it was...

[SpottedKitty]

..And it has been done too.
http://i255.photobucket.com/albums/hh121/RentheKnight/Iforgiveyou2.png

I'm trying to decide if the image of Destania, terror of SAIA, struggling desperately and being held up by her tail is funny enough to be illegal, immoral or fattening.

Possibly all three.   

[N-Cat]

Wait a minute...doesn't Fi have the ability to teleport? and Defy Gravity? and go into magical objects? Any one of those abilities would have gotten him out of this situation.   I think someone suggested magic, but I don't think we've seen very many chances of that.  Remember, Abel knew that Dan could teleport (during Merlitz leaving) but yet he didn't stop Fi from letting him do so.

[Kenway975]

Wait a minute...doesn't Fi have the ability to teleport? and Defy Gravity? and go into magical objects? Any one of those abilities would have gotten him out of this situation.   I think someone suggested magic, but I don't think we've seen very many chances of that.  Remember, Abel knew that Dan could teleport (during Merlitz leaving) but yet he didn't stop Fi from letting him do so.

At the same time, many magic types that prevent people from doing things only work in close proximity. And many times it takes a bit of preparation to do so.

[Caswin]

As much fun as the third panel is, I can't help focusing on how this appears to be the first sign of genuine sympathy that Wildy-san has ever shown in any context in the entire history of the comic.

Then again, we are approaching Strip #1000.  The Furrae-shaking events cannot stop happening just because we're back at the Lake!

[thegayhare]

I once saw someone putting together an argument that Jar-Jar showed true Jedi nature. Whilst it would horrify me to see him being tagged as a Jedi (about on par with the suggestion in UserFriendly, about Attack of the Clones, before it came out, suggesting that the clones in question were clones of Jar-Jar *shudder*), the argument was clearly substantive; he just is, and things happen the way he wants - he isn't trying to kill tanks, he just attempts to help, and accidentally drops a cart full of those exploding balls onto one of them; he doesn't try to shoot everything, he just is, and they fall down; etc etc. It was a well-researched discussion, and I wish I knew where it was...

there is an interesting episode of the new clone wars series that seems to back up that piont.  In a scene where Jar Jar went out to nagotiate with a group of pirates.  the leader of his clone escorts held his troops back sure that Jar Jar could handle the wequey and there tanks on his own.  He managed to destroy the tanks and cut power to the pirates base on his own, accidently of course.

[insidexml]

Hmmmm... that last panel might make a decent t-shirt.

I wouldn't know.

[Terrion]

I am somewhat neutral on Jar Jar Binks role in the movie, as he has had good and bad moments, although I do dislike how he was used as a plot hammer to continuously get others into trouble.

On Gungans? I have nothing against them at all, and actually like them as a race. Jar Jar, in so far as I can tell from the context of the movies, was an atypical example of his race - other gungans thought that his carelessness and accident prone nature was serious enough to ban him from their cities. Particularly after he unintentionally flooded one of them.

Wee Jee appears to be of the 'innocent abroad' type to judge only by one drawing. At a guess, I'd say, friendly, curious, helpful, more likely to favor diplomacy to combat (but not necessarily a coward, just more of a civilian than a combatant), and likely a very nice person to know.  

Now... Has anyone seen my cookies?  

[Tezkat]

Case in point, the Sword Trick.  That would certainly make for an interesting battle.

But does Dark Pegasus even know any origami?

[Alterationartist]

But I wonder if she might be more upset with Dan's mom then with Abel.

..Should I draw Fa'Lina holding Dest over the mixer?

..And it has been done too.
http://i255.photobucket.com/albums/hh121/RentheKnight/Iforgiveyou2.png

RECYCLING SAVES THE WORLD PEOPLE!!!

Still epic fanart.

[icarus]

i approve of the amount of star wars in this thread.

i'm rather glad wildy WASN'T there, since regina did try to kill her. not quite sure what wildy's response to seeing her again will be.

[Baal Hadad]

i'm rather glad wildy WASN'T there, since regina did try to kill her. not quite sure what wildy's response to seeing her again will be.

Refresh my memory--when did that happen again...?

[Tapewolf]

Refresh my memory--when did that happen again...?

In "Regina's Story", I think.  However, see here:  http://missmab.com/Cast/regina.php

[icarus]

just in case someone gets tangled, it's in the main "stats"

Eye Colour: Purple
Often Seen: Working for Kria as a maid
Most known for: Nearly killing Wildy

also i think it's vaguely aluded to here.

[Tapewolf]

It occurs to me that this scene cut has left the Lorenda-Dan-Matilda-Jyrras 'love polygon' rather up in the air.  For instance, we don't know if Dan knows that he's now Lorenda's boyfriend, let alone anyone else.

[Alondro]

Partially to Saist:  This was obviously your favorite line in the whole new Star Wars trilogy:  "She died of a broken heart."

Do I need any better example of why the movies sucked so catastrophically?  It was like "General Hospital" in space, but with worse writing.   

[Ganurath]

It occurs to me that this scene cut has left the Lorenda-Dan-Matilda-Jyrras 'love polygon' rather up in the air.  For instance, we don't know if Dan knows that he's now Lorenda's boyfriend, let alone anyone else.

I'm sure that he got that little memo from Krya in no uncertain terms. Namely "I," "Want," and "Grandkids."

[KarlOmega1]

Hmmmm... that last panel might make a decent t-shirt.

I dunno..more like a decent sitcom, if you ask me.

Off-Topic: by the way, are you the same Insidexml for the katbox forums?

[Shachza]

I'm sure that he got that little memo from Krya in no uncertain terms. Namely "I," "Want," and "Grandkids."

"You call me Grandma now.  Call me grandma like crazy!"

there is an interesting episode of the new clone wars series that seems to back up that piont.  In a scene where Jar Jar went out to nagotiate with a group of pirates.  the leader of his clone escorts held his troops back sure that Jar Jar could handle the wequey and there tanks on his own.  He managed to destroy the tanks and cut power to the pirates base on his own, accidently of course.

That's the exact scene I was talking about.  He 'accidentally' takes out an entire squad of tanks by tripping over a rock or something.