Cybernations

[Arcalane]

Chaos and strife promote evolution and advancement!

[Kasarn]

*votes ShadesFox for lunar overlord because I can

[llearch n'n'daCorna]

All Hail our New Overlord. ;-]

[Kasarn]

So I was looking at the LW election again...
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v447/Kasarn/mess/LW-electionlol1.png

What's up with the dates?


edit: CN

Revolutionary Government - Your people approve of this form of government but the majority of your people would prefer something else.They wish to be ruled by the people themselves and more specifically do not want to be ruled by a royal family.
(Next Available Change 4/15/2008)

Whut? (edit: nvm, Republic... I'm a dumbass, hurrhurr)

Also, lol TPF

[llearch n'n'daCorna]

I've posted a bugrep on the forum.

[Tezkat]

Well, I'm still around; I still have 50 tech which someone paid for which nobody claimed. At this point I probably could just send it to the people who paid for it, except that with the trading ring seemingly going to open up again; I would rather not risk delaying the process longer by fiddling with rules I'm not familiar with (namely, the restriction(s) on aid).

Well... I'll buy as much as your selling. It looks like most of us are a bit too big now for my earlier tech farming scheme to be viable, but I'm uncomfortably close to the threshold where a few ground attacks could nerf my air force capabilities. I can donate a bit of uranium to anyone who wants to borrow it without asking. Since the new NS formula axed military bloat, I doubt I'll ever have much chance of getting back into nuke range, though. Wonder if I should splurge on a Manhattan Project next month...

Also, lol TPF

Um... what happened? Did they run out of peanut butter patties?

[Darkdragon]

Well, I'm still around; I still have 50 tech which someone paid for which nobody claimed. At this point I probably could just send it to the people who paid for it, except that with the trading ring seemingly going to open up again; I would rather not risk delaying the process longer by fiddling with rules I'm not familiar with (namely, the restriction(s) on aid).

Well... I'll buy as much as your selling. It looks like most of us are a bit too big now for my earlier tech farming scheme to be viable, but I'm uncomfortably close to the threshold where a few ground attacks could nerf my air force capabilities. I can donate a bit of uranium to anyone who wants to borrow it without asking. Since the new NS formula axed military bloat, I doubt I'll ever have much chance of getting back into nuke range, though. Wonder if I should splurge on a Manhattan Project next month...

I have no sense for how much the tech is worth, name a price, I'll probably accept it and hope you're not undercutting me. (PS: I won't survive with tactics like that in the real world)

[Kasarn]

I have no sense for how much the tech is worth, name a price, I'll probably accept it and hope you're not undercutting me. (PS: I won't survive with tactics like that in the real world)

Providing you have 50 tech, the most you can buy for 3m is 200 tech.
Well, that's assuming that 50 tech costs 750k or less... I can't remember if it does or not, but it's certainly somewhere in that area.

[Tezkat]

I have no sense for how much the tech is worth, name a price, I'll probably accept it and hope you're not undercutting me. (PS: I won't survive with tactics like that in the real world)

Let's see...

It would cost me nearly $5 million to buy 50 tech on my own. It would cost you around $850k to go from 0-50 and $1.4 mil to go from 50-100. The going rate, last I checked (which, admitedly, was a while back), was around $1.1 mil for 50 tech. We used to run $1.5 mil per 50 tech in this alliance.

I could keep feeding you $3 mil for packages of 50 or 100 tech until we get bored or you decide that you want to grow beyond the point at which tech trading remains profitable. If we had enough intermediaries, we could do something like 2 x $3 million down and 3 x 50 tech up every 11 days.

Your survival strategy still works if you target bored rich guys.

[llearch n'n'daCorna]

Your survival strategy still works if you target bored rich guys.

Of which there are at least two in this alliance. ;-]


While I'm here, Tez, any suggestions for what I should go for for the second Wonder? I'm thinking something like Interstate or something around the 45m mark.

[Tezkat]

While I'm here, Tez, any suggestions for what I should go for for the second Wonder? I'm thinking something like Interstate or something around the 45m mark.

I'm holding off on the Interstate purchase, myself. It's great if you're buying mostly infra, but I'm currently just growing my war chest and spending over 1/4 of my monthly income on wonders (more like 1/2 when I started buying them). So it's too expensive for what it delivers. It is on my short list for future purchases, though.

Social Security is the largest overall income booster unless your tax income is quite low, since it bumps your total revenue up by more than 7%. Most people take that as a first wonder.

The Stock Market is the best value for your money, since the net effect is identical to the +5 Happiness wonders for $5 million less.

The $35 million Happiness boosters (Great Monument, Great Temple, Internet) all have identical effects (+5 Happiness). The income boost from those is generally superior to the other buffs until your tax income is well over $100/citizen.

The other wonders are mostly for purposes other than income, or as a second tier of income boosters once you have the ones above. I grabbed the National Research Lab in the hopes that the extra military bloat would give me that last push back into nuke purchase range. Oops.

[llearch n'n'daCorna]

Given I'm taking in just over $101pp now, it sounds like my next five are, in order, social security, stock market, then the 35m ones that I haven't taken already.

Sounds like a plan.

[Darkdragon]

In that case, are there anybody willing to take on as being intermediates?

[llearch n'n'daCorna]

Ah, nuts. Someone has decided to attack me.

Yay.

Do I have a bloody great target on my back or something?

[Valynth]

I'd help you llearch, but I'm under attack as well.

Feel free to help out.

[Tezkat]

It's probably the attack on Kasarn. People monitor battle traffic looking for tasty targets.

Were these mostly polite "2 ground attacks and a peace offer" raids, or are these guys making a bigger mess?

At any rate... Do either of you guys need monies to help you through these trying times?

[Valynth]

I don't care about "politeness" the point is they freaking attacked me out of the blue with no provocation.  We should at least be responding, and I don't mean a "strongly worder letter."  If we let these guys through unscathed, others will come as you said and raid us because we look juicy.

[llearch n'n'daCorna]

Oh, look. There are -three- of them on me now.

One of whom is the leader of his alliance. Most entertaining. And the other is reasonably high, since he owns their forum.

Two of them have offered peace after hitting me once. Bastards.


As for monies, I've got 25m lying about. The major problem with that is when they win, they get 1m in loose change from the back of the couch. :-/

The two that didn't offer immediately got two missiles in return. Catch.

[Tezkat]

Meh... my point was that the actual damage from a typical raid is on the order of a day or two of income, so the ones who offer peace up front are usually more of an annoyance not worth pursuing.

From the look of it, most of these raiders are TPF associates who are acting with impunity because they have one of the game's largest and most aggressive alliances backing them.


I have to say, though... I am actually bored enough with CN to seek entertainment in hopeless battles.

All in favour of going out in a blaze of glory and lulz against alliances ten times our size?

[Valynth]

Meh... my point was that the actual damage from a typical raid is on the order of a day or two of income, so the ones who offer peace up front are usually more of an annoyance not worth pursuing.

From the look of it, most of these raiders are TPF associates who are acting with impunity because they have one of the game's largest and most aggressive alliances backing them.


I have to say, though... I am actually bored enough with CN to seek entertainment in hopeless battles.

All in favour of going out in a blaze of glory and lulz against alliances ten times our size?

FOR GLORY!

[llearch n'n'daCorna]

... yeah, why not?

[llearch n'n'daCorna]

Ah, I love sane opponents.

From: rabonnobar    4/18/2008 11:58:18 PM Subject: War Declared!
    for the following reason: raid
From: rabonnobar    4/19/2008 12:06:12 AM Subject: Battle Report
    -5,154 soldiers -1,724 tanks. +3,436 soldiers +395 tanks. -34.378 land, -5.000 tech, -20.000 infra. -$1,000,000.00 +$0.00 Defeat.
From: rabonnobar    4/19/2008 12:07:52 AM Subject: Battle Report
    -6,620 soldiers -636 tanks. +4,413 soldiers +444 tanks. -33.002 land, -5.000 tech, -20.000 infra. -$1,000,000.00 +$0.00 Defeat.
To: rannobar    4/19/2008 6:17:54 AM Subject: Cruise Missile Attack
    +0 tanks +2.00 tech, +10.00 infra
To: rannobar    4/19/2008 6:18:05 AM Subject: Cruise Missile Attack
    +0 tanks +2.00 tech, +10.00 infra.
From: TwistedRebelDB47    4/19/2008 1:02:57 PM Subject: War Declared!
    reason: Swingin like a battleaxe
From: zoomzoomzoom    4/19/2008 1:02:59 PM Subject: War Declared!
    reason: tech raid
From: Unknown Sender    4/19/2008 1:11:30 PM Subject: Spy Operation Attack
    change your DEFCON to level 4.
From: zoomzoomzoom    4/19/2008 1:12:05 PM Subject: Battle Report
    -0 soldiers -0 tanks. +0 soldiers +0 tanks. -0.000 land, -0.000 tech, -0.000 infra. -$0.00 +$0.00 Draw.
From: zoomzoomzoom    4/19/2008 1:12:57 PM Subject: Battle Report
    -21,024 soldiers -2,564 tanks. +12,515 soldiers +1,683 tanks. -31.682 land, -5.000 tech, -20.000 infra. -$1,000,000.00 +$0.00 Defeat.
From: TwistedRebelDB47    4/19/2008 1:13:32 PM Subject: Battle Report
    -5,039 soldiers -620 tanks. +3,359 soldiers +323 tanks. -30.415 land, -5.000 tech, -20.000 infra. -$1,000,000.00 +$0.00 Defeat.
From: TwistedRebelDB47    4/19/2008 1:13:46 PM Subject: Battle Report
    -2,971 soldiers -151 tanks. +3,519 soldiers +816 tanks. -0.000 land, -0.000 tech, -0.000 infra. -$0.00 +$1,000,000.00 Victory.
From: TwistedRebelDB47    4/19/2008 1:15:12 PM Subject: Peace Offer
    reason: Cessation of Hostilities
To: TwistedRebelDB47    4/19/2008 3:03:25 PM Subject: Peace Offer
    reason: Cessation of Hostilities
From: rabonnobar    4/19/2008 3:35:22 PM Subject: Peace Offer
    reason: accept and you wont get nuked
To: rabonnobar    4/19/2008 3:36:17 PM Subject: Peace Offer
    reason: Cessation of Hostilities
To: zoomzoomzoom    4/19/2008 3:36:50 PM Subject: Cruise Missile Attack
    +10 tanks +2.00 tech, +10.00 infra.
To: zoomzoomzoom    4/19/2008 3:37:05 PM Subject: Cruise Missile Attack
    +10 tanks +2.00 tech, +10.00 infra.
From: zoomzoomzoom    4/19/2008 11:39:16 PM Subject: Cruise Missile Attack
    -15 tanks -2.50 tech, -15.00 infra.
From: zoomzoomzoom    4/19/2008 11:40:52 PM Subject: Cruise Missile Attack
    -15 tanks -2.50 tech, -15.00 infra.
From: pooksland    4/19/2008 11:53:33 PM Subject: War Declared!
    reason: i am with zoom
From: TwistedRebelDB47    4/19/2008 11:55:43 PM Subject: War Declared!
    reason: In defense of Darth Clinton
From: TwistedRebelDB47    4/19/2008 11:56:58 PM Subject: Battle Report
    -16,086 soldiers -3,521 tanks. +4,596 soldiers +20 tanks. -29.198 land, -5.000 tech, -20.000 infra. -$1,000,000.00 +$0.00 Defeat.
From: TwistedRebelDB47    4/19/2008 11:57:21 PM Subject: Battle Report
    -5,159 soldiers -91 tanks. +6,088 soldiers +18 tanks. -0.000 land, -0.000 tech, -0.000 infra. -$0.00 +$1,000,000.00 Victory.
From: pooksland    4/19/2008 11:58:06 PM Subject: Battle Report
    -11,390 soldiers -492 tanks. +3,833 soldiers +1,145 tanks. -28.031 land, -5.000 tech, -20.000 infra. -$774,196.56 +$0.00 Defeat.
From: pooksland    4/19/2008 11:58:21 PM Subject: Battle Report
    -3,490 soldiers -70 tanks. +3,512 soldiers +47 tanks. -26.909 land, -5.000 tech, -20.000 infra. -$1,000,000.00 +$0.00 Defeat.
From: zoomzoomzoom    4/20/2008 12:01:09 AM Subject: Battle Report
    -2,837 soldiers -75 tanks. +3,077 soldiers +204 tanks. -25.833 land, -5.000 tech, -20.000 infra. -$1,000,000.00 +$0.00 Defeat.
From: zoomzoomzoom    4/20/2008 12:04:17 AM Subject: Battle Report
    -1,422 soldiers -31 tanks. +2,133 soldiers +31 tanks. -24.800 land, -5.000 tech, -20.000 infra. -$1,000,000.00 +$0.00 Defeat.
From: pooksland    4/20/2008 12:04:57 AM Subject: Battle Report
    -755 soldiers -31 tanks. +503 soldiers +84 tanks. -23.808 land, -5.000 tech, -20.000 infra. -$1,000,000.00 +$0.00 Defeat.
From: pooksland    4/20/2008 12:05:20 AM Subject: Battle Report
    -462 soldiers -17 tanks. +308 soldiers +96 tanks. -22.855 land, -5.000 tech, -20.000 infra. -$841,294.22 +$0.00 Defeat.
From: TwistedRebelDB47    4/20/2008 12:05:38 AM Subject: Battle Report
    -743 soldiers -21 tanks. +567 soldiers +0 tanks. -21.941 land, -5.000 tech, -20.000 infra. -$1,000,000.00 +$0.00 Defeat.
From: pooksland    4/20/2008 12:05:48 AM Subject: Peace Offer
    reason: quick hit, save your infra
From: TwistedRebelDB47    4/20/2008 12:05:53 AM Subject: Battle Report
    -479 soldiers -8 tanks. +719 soldiers +1 tanks. -21.063 land, -5.000 tech, -20.000 infra. -$1,000,000.00 +$0.00 Defeat.
From: zoomzoomzoom    4/20/2008 12:06:03 AM Subject: Cruise Missile Attack
    -2 tanks -2.50 tech, -15.00 infra.
From: TwistedRebelDB47    4/20/2008 12:06:57 AM Subject: Peace Offer
    reason: Send peace to all three
From: zoomzoomzoom    4/20/2008 12:08:08 AM Subject: Cruise Missile Attack
    -2 tanks -2.50 tech, -15.00 infra.
From: zoomzoomzoom    4/20/2008 12:10:13 AM Subject: Peace Offer
    reason: should have sent peace
To: TwistedRebelDB47    4/20/2008 3:05:25 AM Subject: Peace Offer
    reason: Cessation of Hostilities
To: pooksland    4/20/2008 3:05:31 AM Subject: Peace Offer
    reason: Cessation of Hostilities
To: zoomzoomzoom    4/20/2008 3:05:36 AM Subject: Peace Offer
    reason: Cessation of Hostilities

Summary:
I lost: 83631 soldiers, 10086 tanks, 353.915 miles of land, 79 levels of tech, 320 infrastructure, and $12,615,490.78
They lost: 52578 soldiers, 5327 tanks, 8 tech, 40 infrastructure, and $2,000,000.


And let's not forget the two messages sent in the middle of this:

To: llearch    From: zoomzoomzoom    4/19/2008 4:34:27 PM Subject: RE: Cruise Missile Attack

You really shouldn't attack back.......you're just going to lose more.....I suggest you send peace or I continue attacking you.

To: zoomzoomzoom    From: llearch    4/20/2008 3:06:55 AM Subject: RE: Cruise Missile Attack

I'm sorry?

You attack, breaching your own alliance rules (section VI, rule 1), don't send peace, and -I- should fold?

Where was that sane, again?

Note also the "declare peace or I nuke you" friendly message in the middle. I'm very tempted to start hacking in order to track down the person in question, delete files off their machine, and start leaving messages like "thankyou for being an asswipe on Cybernations, here's your change" on their hard drive. Instead of things like explorer.exe and chunks of the registry and the like...

[ShadesFox]

So I spent most of the weekend away from computers, having to go out of town for a friends wedding.  Imagine my surprise when I return and was the LW admin.  Now, for my post campaign victory speech:

FOOLISH MOTALS!  YOU HAVE INVITED SLAUGHTER AND RUIN UPON YOURSELVES!  THE DEATH STAR SHALL RISE AGAIN AND...
What, what do you mean it already rose?  Friggen AT&T.

That and I start considering starting up CN and look what happens.  Maybe I am the bringer of death and ruin...

[Darkdragon]

Summary:
I lost: 83631 soldiers, 10086 tanks, 353.915 miles of land, 79 levels of tech, 320 infrastructure, and $12,615,490.78
They lost: 52578 soldiers, 5327 tanks, 8 tech, 40 infrastructure, and $2,000,000.

Do you mind if I send 50 tech your way to help reconstruction?

[llearch n'n'daCorna]

Go for it. Did you want me to cough up some cash for it while I'm there?

Actually, hold that thought. I'll wait until a) I'm out of anarchy, and b) we're not -immediately- under fire, first.

Tez, I think the suicide march is on hold. ;-]

[Darkdragon]

Only if you insist. I can probably cover the amount in a week.

OK, I'll offer it to you first, accept when you think it's safe to do so.

[llearch n'n'daCorna]

I was thinking I'd drop someone a cool three mill, and they can hand half to you and half to someone else, and both of you can ship back 50 tech.

Worked ok last time around. *shrug*

[Tezkat]

Heh... threatening people who are bigger than you with cruise missiles is sort of like poking a rabid dog with a stick. One look at our casualty stats will show that we're not really serious about fighting, so of course they're just gonna hit back harder. I mean, these Poison Clan guys, for instance, have about the same number of players as we do, yet they have nearly four times our NS, ~17 nukes per nation (and that's mainly the one hippy bringing down their average), and a combined total of over 5 million offensive casualties. They not only like fighting, they're good at it. And that's even without them bringing TPF into the fray.

There are only two practical ways to deal with guys like that. Either bend over and take it, perhaps with a strongly worded letter asking them to be gentle, or you declare war and coordinate midnight quads to anarchy as many of them as possible--with the understanding that the blaze of lulz and glory will leave you with very much less infra (and the alliance with potentially crippling reparation payments).

Either way, I am soooo buying a Manhattan Project next month...


I also still have millions lying around for anyone who wishes to give me techs.


In other news, we got another one. Standard reply?

Hey Tezkat,

My name is Lord Stark and I a Triumvir in United Nations of Honour.

We are a growing alliance of experienced players looking for more to join our ranks.

Allow me to explain about UNH, we are not your average alliance. We search for experienced, active nations and focus on making each nation the best they can be through aid and knowledge. We are truly a team unlike many alliances and also a group of friends who actively use IRC.

If this sounds like somethign your alliance would be interested in please PM me back. For your smaller nations there would be lots of aid to help them grow quickly and for your larger nations there would be tech to make them more powerful. For all of you there would be protection and assistance in ending your current wars as well as stopping future tech raids from happening.

If you have any questions at all please PM me back. I look forward to hearing from you

Lord Stark,
UNH Triumvir

[llearch n'n'daCorna]

I wasn't threatening. I have a standard policy of, if you don't offer peace, I hit back. And keep hitting.

I know it's a shit policy, but hey.

I'm thinking of going peace and ignoring the lot of them, actually.

[Valynth]

Note also the "declare peace or I nuke you" friendly message in the middle. I'm very tempted to start hacking in order to track down the person in question, delete files off their machine, and start leaving messages like "thankyou for being an asswipe on Cybernations, here's your change" on their hard drive. Instead of things like explorer.exe and chunks of the registry and the like...

I won't tell if you don't...