The Clockwork Mansion

I can't say a word that had become so stream-lined into my daily language that I didn't know it was vulgar.   :mowdizzy

Anyway, I see this is the thread where I put up things like hi, I'm called Axis and explain how I came to find the sight.  I had an entire post drafted out in my mind then I felt like that was a little too awkward for me.  I've been keeping up with the comic for about  half(maybe a quarter?  I can't remember the day I began reading.) a year now and just recently decided to join the forums.  (Tonight actually.)  So, hello hello all. 

You know, bitching about the rules is probably the single DUMBEST way to start your life on these forums.

Moron.

Well, I could have not read the rules.  =)

Well, if you had read the rules completely, you would have seen this one:

Rule #12
Finally, if you don't like the forum and feel the need to post your dislike, don't.

Through no major leap of logic, that would include bitching about the rules.

As for the word, whatever it may be, that you feel you need to be able to use, I'm sure you'll find plenty of ways to express yourself without derogatory slang.

I never posted my dislike, only stating a fact.  If I posted my dislike it would be more along the lines of, "Dang, I can't say a word that I use rather often."  The little smiley was added for humor.  If I didn't think this was that teasing that was mentioned, I would be somewhat insulted.

You apparently need to be insulted, then. This was me clearly saying you are acting like a tool in your very first post.

Saying "I can't say a word that had become so stream-lined into my daily language that I didn't know it was vulgar," with or without a smiley, is grousing, plain and simple. As one of the moderation staff (which is also listed in those rules you were supposedly well versed in), my comment was a simple, mild warning that maybe you should find something else to talk about besides things you aren't allowed to do on this forums.

I must have not seen it between the cursing and calling me names.  Why do you keep calling me names?  What have I done to merit getting insulted instead of a simple, "Please, don't complain about the rules."?    It's simpler, gets the message across, and doesn't leave bad feelings.

1) He hasn't been cursing at you.

2) While he might have called you names, saying that you regularly use hate language- which is what we limit to make all people on this forum feel comfortable- wasn't a testament to your IQ or your common sense.

To be frank, if you have assimilated derogatory terms into your life so much that you've forgotten that they are vulgar, insulting, hurtful, and inflamatory, then you need to sign off the internet and go read a book.  Reportedly they're good for the vocabulary.

This has been a public service announcement from your local library staff member.

I never said anything I said was a slur, just vulgar. 

It didn't seem to me like he was complaining, just pointing out something he learned in the rules of sorts. I didn't know D that is followed by an AM and an N was considered vulgar until I used it in a PG sim on SL and got reemed out for it.

All of the bad words listed in the rules are slurs. I don't know what rules you read that dictate otherwise, but they certainly aren't the rules for CMF.

Netrogo: It's not your job to police the admins. If we want your opinion on whether someone is out of line or not, we'll promote you to admin level.

Well, I was actually referring to the third rule that discouraged the use swear words in titles and listed one which I used commonly.  Netrogo wasn't policing anyone, he was stating his opinion and an anecdote.

I'm sorry, I don't mean to sound like these rules are so very important to me.  I just felt I had to point out which rule I was referring to instead of being thought of as prejudice.

Yes. In thread titles. Is it that difficult to control yourself and your language that you have to cuss in EVERY opportunity?

:rolleyes

And yes, he was policing. As were you.

Just follow the rules, play nice, and try not to get on my bad side. You'll be just fine here.

Oh, and watch out for llearch.

It was more of a moment of discovery for myself that I felt I had to share with the community.  I'm sorry you feel that I'm policing.  I feel that I'm being bullied. 

Well, it's good practice for when you become a real grownup.  Because most grownups who want a good paying desk job have to learn how to not swear.  I don't know about blue collar jobs, as I've never had one, but I hazard that some of them are the same way.

Also, thank you for sharing your feelings.  You may lodge a complaint to the admins via PM if you like.  They will all be happy to discuss it.

 :curseyou

I didn't mean to come off as policing I was just putting in my opinion of the matter as an outside party. I guess the word would be mediate, but it was more just trying to toss in another view point to go off of since the topic seemed to be getting a bit heated.

Anyways appologies for sticking my nose in, I'll just hole myself back up in the LLI section.

You'er fine, so long as you realize that admins police each other. No admin reacts to a situation without discussing it with everyone else.

You didn't know, which is fine. Don't feel like I was lashing out too harshly at you. When I'm being too harsh, trust me, you'll know.

:dunecat

Just to clarify, no permanent action is ever taken, which is why sometimes you'll see a thread locked pending discussion (so punishments can be meted out), and bans seem to take a little while- we try to have a few admins weigh in on things.

Some things, however, are done unilaterally, or with a minimum of discussion, for brevity and efficiencies sake, which is why forumers can always lodge a complaint via PM.  They do actually get discussed, sometimes at great length.

Quote from: Axis on May 28, 2007, 02:10:09 AMI just felt I had to point out which rule I was referring to instead of being thought of as prejudice.

Well, your avatar *is* a gorilla with a monocle in an SS uniform...

Other than that, here's some friendly advice from someone who isn't a moderator: let it go.  This `argument' is seriously boring.  Well, your half, anyway.  Quit while you're ahead, or at least not in last place.

(I could stop reading, but it's like a car crash--I can't look away)

Yeah, there's nothing like a good scrap to get the forum going. 

This poor guy's just unlucky we're up this late.  We have tomorrow off, or he would have made it unscathed for a few hours.

Yeah. I'm bored, wired, and looking for a good bit of scuffle. It was either this, or internet porn to keep me awake.

I thought you had the internet porn as well, in the other thread? :-]

Damn, if I was here, there would have been serious hell to pay, and ass to kick.


Either that, or I'd have ignored it.

I'm sure that's a comfort to all the other members, Bill.

QuoteWell, your avatar *is* a gorilla with a monocle in an SS uniform...

He does eventually join the good guys. 

That's what they all say ;)

It's easy to join the good guys when you've exterminated the "other side".

He just can't fight ghosts of Confederate Colonels or French cavemen.

I eventually join the good guys.
Which is unfortunate for the good guys. :C

Good thing you're on the side of Team Evil.

Yeah, I like it better over here. It smells nice.

And we have cappuccinos.

Quote from: Darkmoon on May 28, 2007, 08:11:13 PM
And we have cappuccinos.

Oh I am so there... to hell with Team Goody-Two-Shoes!

May I add my 2 bits? I've made myself a cup of chocolate tea today and it turned out quite good. I can offer you some if you want (at least at AC).

I figured that since you were talking about capuccinos and the topic wasn't closed, it would be ok to say this.

You're just fine.

Team Evil: We've got better music, cooler people... and cappuccinos.

... pity I've been avoiding caffeine for 6 months now...

You're one of THEM!

Burn him! Burn the box!

Quote from: llearch n'n'daCorna on May 29, 2007, 12:00:18 PM
... pity I've been avoiding caffeine for 6 months now...

I tried that once.  I weaned myself of caffine by switching to rootbeer, and I wen a whole year without any caffine. (except for game nights, of course :rolleyes: )

Then I got a job.  At the time I joined, they stocked sodas in the breakroom fridge, and free drink is free drink.(too many people drank them up, so that's gone now)

One think about going caffine free, the caffine free version of my favorite drink is also diet.  I can't stand the taste of aspertame, so I couldn't bring myself to drink more than a couple cans of it.

You have the caffine??? *burns his 'gud guyz' badge* Long live team evil!!!!

Quote from: Darkmoon on May 29, 2007, 02:51:26 PM
Burn him! Burn the box!

Recycling is better. That is why we don't burn witches anymore.

Quote from: ITOS on May 29, 2007, 04:54:22 PM

Quote from: Darkmoon on May 29, 2007, 02:51:26 PM
Burn him! Burn the box!

Recycling is better. That is why we don't burn witches anymore.

We turn witches into common household goods and drink containers?

Quote from: Reese Tora on May 29, 2007, 04:08:01 PM

Quote from: llearch n'n'daCorna on May 29, 2007, 12:00:18 PM
... pity I've been avoiding caffeine for 6 months now...

I tried that once.  I weaned myself of caffine by switching to rootbeer, and I wen a whole year without any caffine. (except for game nights, of course :rolleyes: )

Here's some interesting facts about caffeine, that started me off on avoiding it. Details like, it takes 6 -weeks- for it to exit your body. It causes the arteries in your brain to contract, limiting the flow of blood, and hence oxygen, to the important bits that make you think.

On that basis, I decided I'd rather think than drink. It seems to be working so far...

If you're really interested, I'll hunt up the link I got the details from (and the corroborating links to various places that back up the statements)...

I'll stick with the Red Bull and Coke, kthx.  >:3

Quote from: Netrogo on May 29, 2007, 05:00:45 PM

Quote from: ITOS on May 29, 2007, 04:54:22 PM

Quote from: Darkmoon on May 29, 2007, 02:51:26 PM
Burn him! Burn the box!

Recycling is better. That is why we don't burn witches anymore.

We turn witches into common household goods and drink containers?

Mostly benches.

Once again the admins prove just how butthurt they can be over their structured rule system!

I do hope that was playful teasing...

and once again Netami shows the admins that keeping him around serves no real purpose...

Quote from: Darkmoon on May 28, 2007, 08:11:13 PM
And we have cappuccinos.

I don't like coffee of any sort...

*makes pie... evil pie,  with apples and pears in it*

I think Netami was just intending to joke around.

I never thought the day would come when I'd be the one who thinks someone else is taking things a little too seriously.

Netami is a troll.  He's unfortunately spent enough of his time making (very, very thinly) veiled stabs at people that he doesn't get the luxery of making "jokes" like that any more.

Yup. I live a very spartan lifestyle.

I still stand my previous statement that Netami is boring and no longer funny. If you're going to be a troll, you should at least be funny. Especially when everyone already knows you're a troll. Otherwise, what's the point?
Step it up, Netami. No one likes a boring troll. :C

Maybe because labelling someone else as troll isn't very funny to begin with.

If it's not okay for an individual to jab at another, then no one should be allowed to throw jabs at all.

I'll take a "boring" troll over a "humorous" exchange of one-liners at someone else's expense any day.  Communial trolling is far worse than an individual's self-expression.

Netami's admitted to being a troll several times. It's cool, I troll too. It's not really an insult these days. Trolling can be rather enjoyable, if it's funny and entertaining to watch. That way, everyone wins.
:V

I keep hoping that one day Netami will evolve into his second boss form...with the cool laser eyes.  But I keep messing up the cheat code. :<

No, not everyone wins.  Only the people who band together win, since they've already predetermined what's entertaining or not.  Anyone else who goes against them gets silenced or ignored and loses.

And I don't find that fun at all.

Maybe because you wont let yourself have fun.
Relax. It's just the internet.

When I relax and join in, it's considerered a flame or an attack.  So, no I can't relax.  I don't have anyone else with me to agree that it's just fun.

Well that just sounds like a personal problem. Maybe you should look into it.

*uses Indignant Judgement on the topic* >.>
<.<
What? I didn't like the caffeine. That's all. Really. >.>

So it's my problem other people make fun of others and get away with it?  Just...wow...

Quote from: Destina Faroda on May 30, 2007, 12:53:05 AMMaybe because labelling someone else as troll isn't very funny to begin with.

Troll is descriptive.  It comes from fishing.  You take an unbaited fishing hook (or better yet, a net), and drag it behind you in an effort to snag any fish that might be swimming in that area.  It takes almost no effort to do this.

Likewise, Netami comes in and makes provocative statements in the hope that someone will take offense.

Trolling, well done, is a beautiful art.  Socrates was the world's most well-remembered troll.  Euthyphro comes in and declares that he is a pious man.  Socrates says, ``Really?  Pious to which god?''  And all Hades breaks loose.

Had Socrates been a bad troll, he'd probably just have said, ``LOL!  UR GOD SUX!''

Netami is pretty boring, as trolls go.

Say, Destina, you can make fun of me if you want...

Quote from: Destina Faroda on May 30, 2007, 01:12:24 AM
So it's my problem other people make fun of others and get away with it?  Just...wow...

Sure! That's exactly what I said! Yep. :V
No. What you said was "When I relax and join in, it's considerered a flame or an attack." If that is truly what's happening, then maybe there's something wrong with the way you word things. You do tend to come off as rather blunt.  Maybe, the next time something like that happens, you should take a step back and see things from the other person's point of view. See if maybe, just maybe, what you wrote came off as an attack, even if you didn't intend it to.

Nice post, Zina.  Maybe you should apply it to your own words.

Haha, why? Everything I say is pretty much how I intend it. If I come off as rude and mean, it's probably because I mean to.
You are just so serious. Why are you so serious? :C

Quote from: Zina on May 30, 2007, 01:18:30 AMYou do tend to come off as rather blunt.

For the record, so does Darkmoon.

Though to be honest, Darkmoon always sounds like he's funning.  Destina always sounds like she's writing a letter to the editor.

Why am I so serious?  Maybe because I perceive supposedly "good natured" ribbing as a communal condoned attacks on people.

Have you tried seeing things from my view, or are you preparing another zinger to throw my way?

Looks like it's been answered.  I'm serious  because you have seen me to be serious.  Circular!

You liken my actions to that of trolling and trolling to that of combing the waters for any opportunity of reaping a delicious aquatic bounty.

What I do isn't really so sporadic; I am not trolling the waters so much as I am whale hunting. Harpoon in hand, I watch vigilantly until my bullshit meter goes off and then I chuck my spear into the waters. I change my mind on a lot of things, and am definitely prone to "flip flopping" but the idea of free speech in all of it's forms is something I've always championed. If someone wants to call someone else a ni**er-fa**ot (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G2nTbqbtGug), let them and may they reap the backlash for having the opinions they have. I understand this is "your" forum, in the sense that you have web hosting and you happen to know this web artist close enough, but as long as I am a guest here I will voice my opinion. The method I go about doing that should not be held against any definition of sarcasm or wit; I say what I want to get a point across, not to entertain someone or sound really cool. That doesn't mean you have to change any rules to conform to my life-view, but it does mean I am never going to be quiet and you're never going to be pleasantly surprised with me agreeing with you.

It may seem futile, but honestly it doesn't take very long to type something out when you're bored.

Quote from: Destina Faroda on May 30, 2007, 01:27:02 AM
Why am I so serious?  Maybe because I perceive supposedly "good natured" ribbing as a communal condoned attacks on people.

Have you tried seeing things from my view, or are you preparing another zinger to throw my way?

Looks like it's been answered.  I'm serious  because you have seen me to be serious.  Circular!

I'm throwing "zingers" your way because, honestly? It's basically impossible to reason with you. I try. I get no where. I've seen others try. Nothing. So why should I bother putting forth the effort of choosing my words carefully and trying to remain neutral when all that happens is you take everything I say as some sort of attack and we just go around and around in one big circle? And I end up feeling frustrated because I feel like I just spent a good portion of my time talking to a brick wall that somehow gained the ability to type.
So, to avoid all of that, I'm just gonna keep throwing "zingers" your way. 
Zing zing zing.

I'd like to point out that this topic has officially made me LOVE these forums. It's been awhile since I saw a forum that actually understood that a forum is supposed to be about discussion and, much like real life, discussions have a tendancy to drift off from subject to subject. This topic seems to have drifted far from it's original purpose (The arrival of Axis) yet has not been closed or deleted by the mods, infact a few of them seem to have joined in. So yeah, this place kicks at sign followed by two dollar signs.

I know return you to your discussion already in progress.

Hey, if you're throwing around some zingers... (http://www.dollymadison.com/)

Save some for us fatties :3

I tried those, once. They were terrible. :<

Then:

Quote from: Zina on May 30, 2007, 01:18:30 AM
"When I relax and join in, it's considerered a flame or an attack." If that is truly what's happening, then maybe there's something wrong with the way you word things.

Now:

Quote from: Zina on May 30, 2007, 01:33:27 AM
So why should I bother putting forth the effort of choosing my words carefully and trying to remain neutral when all that happens is you take everything I say as some sort of attack and we just go around and around in one big circle? And I end up feeling frustrated because I feel like I just spent a good portion of my time talking to a brick wall that somehow gained the ability to type.

I hate to point this out, but I think there's something wrong with the way you worded that post,  Maybe you should learn to relax and listen to other people's words instead of  attacking people, okay?

Quote from: Netrogo on May 30, 2007, 01:38:18 AM
I'd like to point out that this topic has officially made me LOVE these forums. It's been awhile since I saw a forum that actually understood that a forum is supposed to be about discussion and, much like real life, discussions have a tendancy to drift off from subject to subject. This topic seems to have drifted far from it's original purpose (The arrival of Axis) yet has not been closed or deleted by the mods, infact a few of them seem to have joined in. So yeah, this place kicks at sign followed by two dollar signs.

I know return you to your discussion already in progress.

I think you will see very soon that these kinds of topics only stay open because the moderators are not present or they have some joke / witty remarks left to make. In all honesty, most forums (this included) do not tolerate extended discussions for various reasons.

Yeah, they tend to let it go until they pull the "it's my forum" card.  Usually when they can't think of an answer that doesn't involve communal degredation.

Quote from: Destina Faroda on May 30, 2007, 01:41:10 AM

I hate to point this out, but I think there's something wrong with the way you worded that post,  Maybe you should learn to relax and listen to other people's words instead of  attacking people, okay?

But see, the thing is, I never really have a problem with anyone else concerning that, except you.
When I intend to be mean, I'm mean. When I intend to attack someone, I attack them. But it just seems that everything I say to you, no matter what it is, no matter how I word it, will be taken as an attack. So what's the point. D:

Quote from: Destina Faroda on May 30, 2007, 01:44:54 AM
Yeah, they tend to let it go until they pull the "it's my forum" card.  Usually when they can't think of an answer that doesn't involve communal degredation.

Well, as a player of card games, I find pulling my best card is always a good strategy XD

It's the internet. You cannot come onto the internet if you think all is going to be well and fine.

Now for some cosplay intervention:

(http://www.furry.org.au/randomjoy/dethstar.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v434/Zinacat/random/117338763884.jpg)

:C

Quote from: Destina Faroda on May 30, 2007, 01:27:02 AMWhy am I so serious?  Maybe because I perceive supposedly "good natured" ribbing as a communal condoned attacks on people.

One of the things that you have to understand about trolling is that all parties who are aware of the trolling know the ground rules.

The mods (I assume) generally know when someone's trolling, and (again, I assume) make a decision as to whether it's harmless or obnoxious.  Netami, for his part, knows that he's on the boundary of good taste, and that if he is slightly off on any of this, he stands a good chance of getting banned.  The mods seem to think that personal insults are outré (http://clockworkmansion.com/forum/index.php?topic=2795.0), so that may be where they draw the line.

Now, there are some other people who I think are unfairly hounded around here, but Netami's not one of them.  If you troll, you should expect to be treated like one.

Quote from: Zina on May 30, 2007, 01:47:42 AM
When I intend to be mean, I'm mean. When I intend to attack someone, I attack them. But it just seems that everything I say to you, no matter what it is, no matter how I word it, will be taken as an attack. So what's the point. D:

You just admitted above you were attacking me.  Your rationale for attacking me is that I perceive you as sttacking me.  Yet you also state that if every time someone makes a statement it's considered an attack, then maybe it's something wrong with the way he or she words things.

The only logical conclusion from your own words is that there's something wrong with the way you've worded things, which is what I've said all along.

Quote from: superluser on May 30, 2007, 01:53:43 AM
One of the things that you have to understand about trolling is that all parties who are aware of the trolling know the ground rules.

The mods (I assume) generally know when someone's trolling, and (again, I assume) make a decision as to whether it's harmless or obnoxious.  Netami, for his part, knows that he's on the boundary of good taste, and that if he is slightly off on any of this, he stands a good chance of getting banned.  The mods seem to think that personal insults are outré (http://clockworkmansion.com/forum/index.php?topic=2795.0), so that may be where they draw the line.

Now, there are some other people who I think are unfairly hounded around here, but Netami's not one of them.  If you troll, you should expect to be treated like one.

But treating someone like a troll is trolling...

You have to understand that they come from a position of being correct, and you come from a position of being incorrect. You should learn to not type so much as a response for them to read so much as a response for other forum people. Honestly, after so long of trying to get your point across, they are not going to listen to you. Maybe it is your fault, maybe it is their fault, but the outcome is still the same. Instead of trying to make points against their logic, just state your mind and refute anything that comes your way. You could type up a huge, long paragraph and get TL;DR'd by the admins, but there's always going to be a few people that legitimately read what you write and take it to mind.

Divide and conquer. Rebellion starts with the bottom of the totem pole!

Quote from: Destina Faroda on May 30, 2007, 01:54:20 AM

Quote from: Zina on May 30, 2007, 01:47:42 AM
When I intend to be mean, I'm mean. When I intend to attack someone, I attack them. But it just seems that everything I say to you, no matter what it is, no matter how I word it, will be taken as an attack. So what's the point. D:

You just admitted above you were attacking me.  Your rationale for attacking me is that I perceive you as sttacking me.  Yet you also state that if every time someone makes a statement it's considered an attack, then maybe it's something wrong with the way he or she words things.

The only logical conclusion from your own words is that there's something wrong with the way you've worded things, which is what I've said all along.

Round and round and round and round. Relax. How about we play a game?

Quote from: Zina on May 30, 2007, 01:58:07 AM
How about we play a game?

http://www.ferryhalim.com/orisinal/g3/bells.htm

Like that? :)

Quote from: RJ on May 30, 2007, 02:00:33 AM

Quote from: Zina on May 30, 2007, 01:58:07 AM
How about we play a game?

http://www.ferryhalim.com/orisinal/g3/bells.htm

Like that? :)

Oh god, I've found a new game to obsessively play.
Thanks a lot, RJ. :<

Quote from: Zina on May 30, 2007, 02:02:47 AM
Oh god, I've found a new game to obsessively play.
Thanks a lot, RJ. :<

:bunny

Watch out, Zina! The bunny is falling! :dface

It falls so far. The ground must be very soft. :O

It probably has traumatic internal injuries instead.

Gah! Can't stop playing now!!! :bunny :bunny :bunny

Quote from: Zina on May 30, 2007, 01:58:07 AM
How about we play a game?

Greatings Proffeser Falken.  Would you like to play a game?
::Lets play Global Thermal Nuclear War
Wouldn't you rather play a nice game of chess?
::No lets play Global Thermal Nuclear War

Quote from: Destina Faroda on May 30, 2007, 01:54:20 AMBut treating someone like a troll is trolling...

Not unless you want to get a rise out of the other person.  That's what trolling is.  Trying to get a rise out of as many people as possible by doing as little as possible on your end.

And again, if you troll, you are a troll.  This is pretty unequivocably trolling (http://clockworkmansion.com/forum/index.php?topic=2469.msg102195#msg102195).  There are actually a few other cases that were more blatant than that, in my opinion, but since that one got a response from the mods, I'm going with that one.  Maybe the others don't qualify in the sense that they use the term in the rules, but most definitely in the sense that they define the term in the Jargon File (http://catb.org/esr/jargon/html/T/troll.html).  Netami trolls.  Therefore he is a troll.

Did I miss the fun? D:
I'll just shake the cage again, then...

Quote from: superluser on May 30, 2007, 01:53:43 AM
The mods seem to think that personal insults are outré (http://clockworkmansion.com/forum/index.php?topic=2795.0), so that may be where they draw the line.

OH YES?

Quote from: Darkmoon on May 28, 2007, 01:28:20 AM
You know, bitching about the rules is probably the single DUMBEST way to start your life on these forums.

Moron.

REACT, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN.

The rules do not apply to the administration. This is an inconsistency that I do not approve of.

I believe I should address the period of time that I was last banned. I see no reason why the creator of the comic should feel justified in singling out someone, in that case Zedd, for roleplaying something to the point that the common observer wonders if they're actually trying to be in character. Not when we have plenty of other people that do the exact same thing. Charline is RP'd all the time. Ink never breaks italics. Darkmoon is never not an asshole. Ask any of the people I just named and they will agree with you. I am against inconsistency above all else, especially when I feel as if Zedd's feelings could have been hurt by that remark. As an admin, you could have PM'd him, or you could have started enforcing the rule to stop everyone from RPing, as stated in your own rules.

Perhaps it was trolling, though admitably I was trying less to stir the pot than stand up for a friend. Typically, this is how it goes: you throw legitimate hate at them and they think it's a joke; you speak up against some BS and they think you're taking it too far.

Now now, Netami.  You're forum policing.  Bad!  BAD!   ;)

Judge, jury, and executioner.

I'd sentence you to 1,000 years hard labor but I'd have to sentence myself to be consistent.

What are the odds that this topic will get locked in three hours?  I'd say 4:1.

Hard labor? This is the internet, most of us barely know what minimal labor is XD

I'm not good with ratios, or numbers, or women offering me to gamble. Let's just wager that there's a 1:1 chance that this thread will get locked in the future, or that it will drift off topic to talk about bunny jumping games.

Speaking of which, my high score is currently 46660. Not bad considering I'm using a touch pad ^^

Aww...such a charming thread.  It's like chocolate in my peanut butter. :3

Now, onto the nasty nitty gritty.
Destina: This is your official warning.  Which doen't probably mean anything in the scheme of things other than updating the Watch list,  but it at least needs to be said so its official.  The reason is not that I particularly care if you and Netami want to take potshots at the rules, but considering you managed to cause a thread less than 24 hours ago to go into lockdown, you aren't exactly impressing anyone by stirring around another pissing contest.

And seriously, your attacks in the last thread were downright uncalled for in regards to Seth Triggs and Llearch. 

Netami: Got the memo, good points had.  Needs more lasers.  See you next thread where there is somewhere to complain about the admins.  Bring coffee please.

Now here is the pickle.  In all theory I should lock the thread, if only because if I leave it open, odds are you two cheeky monkeys are going to continue onward into the next level. And while I'm sure it will look pretty on the martyr resume, I'd rather you both save your points and live to gripe about the admins another day.  So I guess I'll wait and see what happens.

Either way, its gonna be a fun night kiddos. :3

47380 :mowhappy

I'll be waiting.

I'll bring s'more fixin's! We'll have a pow-wow.

Quote from: Netrogo on May 30, 2007, 02:49:25 AM
47380 :mowhappy

315420. :3

Quote from: Zina on May 30, 2007, 02:55:26 AM
I'll bring s'more fixin's! We'll have a pow-wow.

Quote from: Netrogo on May 30, 2007, 02:49:25 AM
47380 :mowhappy

315420. :3

:mowsad

It's odd I tried it a few times but I kept getting distracted by how well animated and cute the little bunny is...

I just can't focus on this version

I'm going back to playing douche monkey astronuat

Wewt 155760 ^^

I crashed and burned at 602870... I swear the view zoomed out and everything got farther apart though... or maybe the bells got smaller... I dunno, but something about it made me lose.

Hehe, when in doubt blame everything else :mwaha

I feel so far behind though XD

ergh. 1024690 this time, but the bells were getting ridiculously small. I kinda twitched and that did me in. Who'd think jumping on bells would be so hard to do?

79851200. I'm honestly shocked the bunny isn't dead after that fall.

Seriously, the bunny should be a wet mark on the ground after that.

How the FUCK are you playing it long enough to get those scores?

God damn, I suck at that game.  Probably a good thing, though; now I won't want to play it every second of every day. :)

I double-posting so I can answer this thread in an official manner.

1) I am an asshole. I don't personally think anything I have done in the past has broken the rules, but that's what the "complaint" button and the other admins are there for. I don't tend to actively troll, and any time I'm in the middle of a discussion that calls for admin action, 9 times out of 10 I recuse myself from taking part.

It's the thing about being a dick and being an admin, you can't do both at the same time, so when I'm one, I'm not the other.

it also means that, in those situations where I haven't yet participated in a thread, I'm the one called in to act as an enforcer, simply because it seems that when I speak in my admin voice, people stop and pay attention.

If what I said above makes anyone here unhappy, they are more than welcome to talk about it with the admins. That's what (we/they) are there for.

2) Netami: Honestly, I have no issue with you currently. I don't speak for the other admins, of course, but lately you've been an intelligent person, and the times you have lashed out, I thought you were raising good points.

To clarify, my post to you in this thread was honestly to see if you were joking or not. I couldn't tell. However, if you weren't joking, I was going to see about toning down your attack before you took it too far. You've turned into a reasonable poster, and I wouldn't want you to lose your last chance so quickly.

3) Destina: They aren't wrong. You are like this horrible catch-22 of logic. "If I do this, you'll do this, so I do this, and you do this... and then we end up back where we started..." Argueing with you is a pointless... and honestly sad, activity. I've known you well enough to know that getting into an argument with you isn't worth the effort, because while you read everything that's said, you don't process it. You seem to just skim over the post trying to find points you can tear apart, missing the context of the post.

And, sadly, I just can't keep defending you. I mean, I like you when you aren't on a tear. When you are on a tear, I try to keep everyone from over reacting... but at this point, people aren't overreacting... except for you.

Whatever happens in this thread, the actions will be based upon what the other admins think (since I've recused myself, like I usually do). It is up to them on the matter, and I have no part in that desicion at all.

4) Why would we lock this thread? It's not a bad thread. Plus, it has winter bunnies!

Quote from: BillBuckner on May 30, 2007, 10:01:20 PM
How the FUCK are you playing it long enough to get those scores?

I kept hitting the bird each time for a bonus.
That and I'm very very bored. :C

I got to 179000. Not nearly as high as you, but then, I'm not nearly as bored as you.

I can only seem to make it into the 20,000 range

Oh well I'm gonna go back to DMA (http://www.freeworldgroup.com/games6/gameindex/douche-monkey-astronaught.htm)

I don't look at my posting as evolving or devolving into any manner of conduct, or at least not in a respectable way. I always voice my opinion, and I don't do it so that people get annoyed or even say "Yeah yeah, I understand." I do it mostly for myself, unless it's a specific case that I feel should be changed. I really don't like the idea of vulgarity rules, nor the tendency to lock threads, nor the singling out of one or two people for actions that many partake in. Overall, I guess I just have a problem with people coming down on other people, especially for something I think is ridiculous. Again, not my forum, but I will whine about it. Excessively.

So we've noticed.

I honestly don't think we lock threads all the much, and usually, the ones doing the locking aren't the ones participating. It's very much NOT a "you suck, so I'll take my ball and leave AND get the last word" way of doing things, which I think is a touch more evolved.

You can advocate for people all you like, so much as you realize that in the end, it's the admins call as to what happens, and their decision ends up being final 99.9% of the time.

Really I figured the vulgarity rules were pretty common sense.  If someone is posting NSFW material, make note of it in the thread title...dont be a racist butthead...try to use swearing in moderation...dont post childporn or anything relating to it...

Or did I just miss the boat here.

The vulgarity rules are there for two reasons:

1) We feel that people should be able to look at the forum in an environment that might not be accepting of swearing.  It is our experience that thread titles jump out moreso than content of a post, which is why we decided on the no swearing in post titles.

2) I don't like hate language.  There is no reason to call someone a n*gger.  And since it's not acceptable in the inflamatory sense, then I personally don't feel that the "n*gga" double standard should be allowed either.  If you're going to be mean to someone, be more imaginative, and have good reason.

Now, I do agree that singling out people isn't nice.  However, I think there is a statue of limitation on how nice a person can be before they snap.  I also snapped about four years ago and have given up on being nice.  Calling someone a moron, for example, isn't always nice, but sometimes that's just what they are.  Thankfully, in this case one of three things happen.  They make an effort to fix things, they go away, or they continue being difficult and eventually get banned.

One of my big pet peeves on this forum are the people who post the unintelligble stream of conciousness posts that make absolutely no sense.  These are the ones I come down the hardest on.  Some of them (Leafer, who no longer posts here) are from other countries and English is their second language.  Some of them (and they know who they are because they've gotten PMs from me) are English speaking natives and can't be bothered to try to make sense.  As this is a text based communication technique, they need to make an effort.  So, they get checked more often.

There are a few people on my little list.  I check those people to see what they're up to.  But when you have a big forum, you've got to keep track of the people who sneak into the gym and set a bomb. *nods sagely*

Now, the locking threads thing... we don't lock to many threads, so I'm not sure where you're going with that one.

Hope that helps.  Clarification and all.  I'm not discussing this, by the way, because I do not have the patience for a painstaking quote fest.  Especially since I'm working 13 hours tomorrow, and will most likely come home cranky.  So please.  Don't make me post cranky.

*edit*  Damn you both, Dmoon and Mab. 

Boat sailed away, hit the ice berg, sank, then got made into a bad movie, already Amber :mwaha

Quote from: Netrogo on May 31, 2007, 12:38:42 AM
Boat sailed away, hit the ice berg, sank, then got made into a bad movie, already Amber :mwaha

Thats it. I'm leaving on a jet plane...dont know when I'll be back again.

Yeah, but know you've got snakes. :/

Quote from: Damaris on May 31, 2007, 12:38:12 AM2) I don't like hate language.  There is no reason to call someone a n*gger.  And since it's not acceptable in the inflamatory sense, then I personally don't feel that the "n*gga" double standard should be allowed either.  If you're going to be mean to someone, be more imaginative, and have good reason.

Rules against hate speech aren't a bad idea in an international realm like the internet.  In quite a few countries around the world, they have laws regarding hate speech, and making sure that fans from all over the world can read your site without running afoul of local laws isn't a bad idea.

Germany has some pretty stringent anti-hate laws, for obvious reasons.  France has laws outlawing Holocaust denialism (and Armenian genocide denialism), and both the UK and Canada seem to have much more stringent laws than the US.  We supposedly have some in the US, but in practice, they only seem to be applied in cases where the person has been nicked for breaking other laws, too.  The first amendment makes it pretty difficult to make laws outlawing hate speech--I'd rather not make unpopular ideas illegal, myself.

I also believe that swearing is a useful and efficient way of conveying your current emotional state.  You could say ``This makes me angry,'' or you could simply say, ``F--- this!'' The latter makes the point much more unequivocal in fewer words, and provides the recipient with an insight into your thought processes.

You say that if you're going to be mean, you should try to be more creative about it.  I wholeheartedly agree.  A string of F-bombs isn't anywhere near as effective as something like This Penny-Arcade strip (http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2006/04/10).  He uses one G-D, but otherwise, it's perfectly clean, and far more offensive than any four letter word could ever be.

The rules say not to say certain things in certain areas of the forum (and other things in any part of the forum), so I respect that rule, since this is a privately-operated forum, and I think you have valid reasons for implementing such a rule (despite the fact that I probably would never implement such a rule, myself).

Quote from: Amber Williams on May 31, 2007, 12:40:53 AMThats it. I'm leaving on a jet plane...dont know when I'll be back again.

Darn you!  Now I have to buy Peter, Paul and Mary all over again, this time in CD form!

(PS: Good luck on your 13-hour shift, Damaris.)

These things are so much less interesting when the mods react calmly and rationally.  >:[
Way to ruin it, guys.

I'm sorry.  They caught me at a bad time where I'm preoccupied with not being in trouble with the governments.  :<

Don't worry though, once I dont have to worry about being exported, I can spend more time flailing my arms and claiming I am impervious to making human mistakes.  :3

i think now i'm afraid.....  :U

You're late.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v434/Zinacat/jesus.jpg)

Apparently, when I'm insanely tired, I am like God at this game.
I feel like I've wasted my life.
I'm leaving.

Which frightens me even more.....  :cry

Sorry, had some stress at job, so wasn't that much around.

And for the OP. It's sickening if you browsing through a forum only to read how people throws insults, swearwords or worse on each other. Better to keep this in check from the beginning. mho

Quote from: Zina on May 31, 2007, 05:43:09 AM
Apparently, when I'm insanely tired, I am like God at this game.
I feel like I've wasted my life.
I'm leaving.

I feel sorry for whoever the bunny landed on...

Why? They get a nice hat!  :3

A nice hat true, but after the impact they'd have to wear said hat on their ass.

toes, I would have thought.

Although, the difference wouldn't actually matter...

We should test this theory. We'll need a bunny, a rocketship, and someone duuuuBRAVE enough to test it.

Quote from: Netrogo on May 31, 2007, 08:09:26 AM
We should test this theory. We'll need a bunny, a rocketship, and someone duuuuBRAVE enough to test it.

OOooOOHH!!I love rockets!Sign me up!:P

I'll sign TGH up.

Nice, that's the halfwiiiiiiierrr... Brave volunteer and bunny down. Now we just need to whip up a rocket.

We could always nick one.

/me leaves a plot convenient Reliant Robin Shuttle laying around

Convenience!


Alright, now we tie TGH to the rocket, lauch it straight up. At a high enough altitude we have the rocket dislodge him in some plot convenient way. Then we push MJ under him and see what happens.

Impact welding?

YAYYY!! I'll catch you hare ill catch you ,ill catch....I didn't catch you

"Ow."

Well at least we have something to carry the mess away in, now.

What was the point of this experiment, I forgot.

Entertainment.

k

Quote from: xHaZxMaTx on May 31, 2007, 06:00:41 PM
Entertainment.

Works for me.

errr Don't I get a say in this?

I request a parachuet... or life raft or atleast a cocktail umbrella

Too late.

Hey, the stain on the pavement's talking!

Ooooooh the goo speaks! Awesome, let's put it in a freakshow and charge admission :mowhappy

On a side note

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v286/Netrogo/bunnyscore.jpg)

Quote from: BillBuckner on May 31, 2007, 06:46:30 PM
Hey, the stain on the pavement's talking!

No, the hat of the stain on the pavement is talking. The stain on the pavement didn't say anything.

Quote from: Zina on May 31, 2007, 05:43:09 AM
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v434/Zinacat/jesus.jpg)

(http://i14.tinypic.com/6aq4al5.jpg)

Three billion.

Finally missed after the 985th bell.  Poor bunny floated off screen before he hit bottom.

Zina, I think we broke something.  Shouldn't our scores be a multiple of 10?

That is odd how it seems to have broken on both your games, wonder when in your game play it occured.

Yeah, the quoted words were written a few days ago, but I actually didn't see the post until now.

QuoteThey aren't wrong. You are like this horrible catch-22 of logic. "If I do this, you'll do this, so I do this, and you do this... and then we end up back where we started..."

I begin with the presumption that we non admin people are all equal.

If it's okay for someone else to do something, then it should be okay for me to do the same thing.  However, restrictions are placed.  Take this thread.

You bashed a newbie with every reply you made, although since you did it in the introduction thread it's not "technically" against the rules.  Furthermore you just admitted to being an "asshole", but since it has been collectively determined that this is not being an "idiot" or falling under any of the ambiguous guidelines, it's allowed.  Other people joke around, calling people names, and then it's all "fun."

So Netami and I joke around and we get the WHAMMY of doom?  I don't see where the equality in that is.

Or take the art thread (now threads) in the The Lusty Siren Tavern.  You give anyone free reign to draw what they want except me.  Despite me for once being open to the idea of adult matierial (which as you know is a big step), you refused to post my work to based on my intent -- before I even drew the piece.  So, yeah, I will overreact when I feel you are turning against me and being prejudiced in a matter where judgment shouldn't enter.

If it's "Catch-22 logic"...simply remove one of the existing conditions.  Then it won't be circular.  Either let me joke around like them, or don't let anyone joke around, since some of those "jokes" are rather hurtful.  Then again, my feelings apparently don't matter.

QuoteArgueing with you is a pointless... and honestly sad, activity. I've known you well enough to know that getting into an argument with you isn't worth the effort, because while you read everything that's said, you don't process it. You seem to just skim over the post trying to find points you can tear apart, missing the context of the post.

Maybe I don't process something because I don't understand it, and when I ask for clarification or actually try to reason out my disagreement, I get the "I'm right, you're wrong.  It's my show."  Up until now there's been no explanation for why you feel the way you feel, and even now you've explained yourself to everyone, even Netami, far more than you explain to me, even though we were just accused saying the same thing.

And maybe I am dumb, but I don't understand how this mythical "context" makes anything better or worse, since context is communally determined.  If the words are for public display, the circumstances surrounding the words are rather irrelevant.  Simply mean what you write, or if you're joking, then declare your intent that you're joking if there's any confusion.

QuoteAnd, sadly, I just can't keep defending you. I mean, I like you when you aren't on a tear. When you are on a tear, I try to keep everyone from over reacting... but at this point, people aren't overreacting... except for you.

If you feel you can't defend me, then don't attack me or enable attacks to be thrown in my direction while tying my hands.

I considered being labeled a "brick wall" and other collective based judgements just one step away from being called a nasty name, because in the end, it's the same category -- attacking of the person.  I don't like people framing my actions and collectively defining me without explaining their reasons.   It's not much different than calling me a slur, because there's no real recourse against it.  If you agree with it, then you're stuck with the label, and if you disagree with it, it doesn't matter, since the label is stuck on you with the community's superglue.

Then you just say I'm on a tear.  Instead of just saying I'm overreacting (and then getting everyone else to agree), have you ever bothered to find out why I'm reacting that way?  I'm not saying you have to care.  But you have no moral right to make judgments or allow judgments to be made on someone's feelings that you don't care about.

Because Destina hasn't, here's a link to the post she's responding to:
http://clockworkmansion.com/forum/index.php?topic=2841.msg119488#msg119488

Truth be told, I'm the one who dealt the "whammy", and the only thing I said to Netami was:

QuoteNetami: Got the memo, good points had.  Needs more lasers.  See you next thread where there is somewhere to complain about the admins.  Bring coffee please.

I'm not exactly sure where I was particularly warning him against his actions.  You were the only one I warned.  And while you decided to seize onto my comments about my displeasure at your action in the prior thread...that was actually not the reason you were warned. 

You were warned because you had been involved in a heated thread that got locked down  and less than 24 hours later, you had hopped into a second thread and were ultimately "stirring shit up".  It came across very much, even if you didn't intend for it to, that you got blocked off in one thread so went onto a new one to vent your frustrations.   Had you waited for the previous thread to at least collect moderate dust before going into a new heated argument, or had you just come into the thread to complain without prior issues (such as what Netami did), I would have been more than happy to let you continue on.  But you had multiple things going against you, where as everyone else had only one.

I do hold all non-admin people equal, or I try.  (Yes, I do happen to make mistakes from time to time. People are free to PM me saying I might have made a rash judgement.)  Had anyone else caused issues in a thread which caused lockdown, and then pretty much next post in is hopping into another issue...I would warn them as well.  It's been done in the past when various members would hop from thread to thread hounding another poster with acidic comments.

I realize the exception in this is Darkmoon, who had also been involved in past threads as well as this one.  And while I realize this next part is probably going to be the focus of any responses, I'll say it anyways.  I don't have the ability to warn or ban Darkmoon in the same way I can warn or ban a non-admin.  Issues with other admins are handled differently and often in discussion with other mod/admins...away from the general public.

However, I think the majority of your post is an issue that you and Dmoon need to work out between eachother.  It would probably be more effective to take it to PM and actually talking to eachother one-on-one than dragging the conversation out on the message boards.  But I'll leave that up to you and Dmoon to decide.

I don't have time to respond to this currently.

He's gone to work, to add clarification.  He will most likely reply to this tonight around comic time.

Well, I'll limit my comments to Mab.

First I'll say thank you for explaining.  If you had presented your comments like this, I probably would have still been mad, but I would have had far less to complain about.

Quote from: Amber Williams on June 04, 2007, 03:53:14 AM
Truth be told, I'm the one who dealt the "whammy", and the only thing I said to Netami was:

QuoteNetami: Got the memo, good points had.  Needs more lasers.  See you next thread where there is somewhere to complain about the admins.  Bring coffee please.

No, you also addressed him and I as a unit later in the same post.

Quote from: Amber Williams on May 30, 2007, 02:47:36 AMIn all theory I should lock the thread, if only because if I leave it open, odds are you two cheeky monkeys are going to continue onward into the next level. And while I'm sure it will look pretty on the martyr resume, I'd rather you both save your points and live to gripe about the admins another day.

Ignoring the cheeky "monkeys" insult that attacks our character, this implies that you were at the very least expressing administrative action against both of us.   Why even write that last part if you were only directing your moderator venom to me?

Quote from: Amber Williams on June 04, 2007, 03:53:14 AMI'm not exactly sure where I was particularly warning him against his actions.  You were the only one I warned.  And while you decided to seize onto my comments about my displeasure at your action in the prior thread...that was actually not the reason you were warned.

But when you add all that stuff into the moderating post, it creates the impression that you intervened because your "friends" got attacked.  Combined with your other comments to Netami and myself, it appears to me that you have one set of standards for  me and another set of standards for other people.

Quote from: Amber Williams on June 04, 2007, 03:53:14 AMYou were warned because you had been involved in a heated thread that got locked down  and less than 24 hours later, you had hopped into a second thread and were ultimately "stirring shit up".  It came across very much, even if you didn't intend for it to, that you got blocked off in one thread so went onto a new one to vent your frustrations.   Had you waited for the previous thread to at least collect moderate dust before going into a new heated argument, or had you just come into the thread to complain without prior issues (such as what Netami did), I would have been more than happy to let you continue on.  But you had multiple things going against you, where as everyone else had only one.

So, if you're involved in a discussion that goes haywire, in essence you can't post on the board, even in fun.  Strangely, I don't see that restriction being applied to anyone else, since it takes several people to make a heated discusssion.  If you're going to put one on the watch list, put everybody involved there, and limit all discussion equally.  But if a thread can go off topic and certain people have "multiple things" held against them in a completely unrelated thread  (this one) while others can post in fun about the same off-topic issue (http://clockworkmansion.com/forum/index.php?topic=2853.0) that the locked topic was locked for, then that throws out the notion of the treating people equally.

The reason why I come to this conclusion is this.  With the exception of the first post which was rightly brushed aside, there was nothing in this thread that was an attack or had anything remotely to with the parties involved in the other thread.  Yes, Netami and I were taking potshots at the rules and general moderator behavior, but you just admitted that was not the reason you stepped in as a moderator.

So what "multiple things" were against me?  If you're referring to all the things you mentioned that you say were not the reason for your warning, then those things do not count.  If they do count toward the warning, then these events have corrupted your actions as well, since it means your moderator actions are fueled by your displeasure and dislike.

Quote from: Amber Williams on June 04, 2007, 03:53:14 AMI do hold all non-admin people equal, or I try.  (Yes, I do happen to make mistakes from time to time. People are free to PM me saying I might have made a rash judgement.)  Had anyone else caused issues in a thread which caused lockdown, and then pretty much next post in is hopping into another issue...I would warn them as well.  It's been done in the past when various members would hop from thread to thread hounding another poster with acidic comments.

So, you're saying that I caused the issue in the other thread, despite saying in the actual thread that emotions were running high and that everyone needed to cool down (http://clockworkmansion.com/forum/index.php?topic=2694.msg118927#msg118927)?  If so, why did you wait to blame me in this thread?  Isn't this also a form of post-hopping?

If anything, cheap shots were thrown in my direction.  Granted, I entered the thread, but does that give others the right to call me or any other posters names, or to write me off?

Issues can only arise with multiple people involved.  Picking one person, even if they seem to cause the issue, doesn't solve anything.  It just makes the group's self-perpetuating wrongness accepted.

As you mentioned, the rest of this is probably not fit for a post here.

...and we put so much work into getting this topic AWAY from all that.

No offence Destina but when you get down to it this is Amber and her brother's forum (if there are other owners and such, appologies for not knowing). They own it, pay the rent on it, and keep it organized... ish.... It's like their house, if you don't like how things are done in someone's house you don't get fed up with them and try to get them to change, you just deal with it. If it really bothers you, you just don't go to their house anymore.

I have friends that smoke. They smoke so much at home that I don't go to their houses. My home is smoke free, when someone tries to smoke in my house they get sent outside, if they don't like it tough. My house, my rules.

The forums the same way. If they seem judgmental, biased, and picking favourites so what. I'm pretty sure nobody's forcing you to come here, and if you're coming here of your own choice then (unless you're an idiot) you didn't come here expecting this place to work how YOU see fit. Mind you if you DID come here expecting everything to go according to what you want, then yeah you're a complete freaking idiot. God knows if someone came in my house and started acting like it was theirs, well let's just say I have windows for more then just letting air and light in.

Quote from: Destina Faroda on June 04, 2007, 12:10:08 PM
First I'll say thank you for explaining.  If you had presented your comments like this, I probably would have still been mad, but I would have had far less to complain about.

Honestly, I thought I did.  It just seemed to me you were brushing that part over for the more juicy bits and to handle the direct arguments from other people.

QuoteIgnoring the cheeky "monkeys" insult that attacks our character, this implies that you were at the very least expressing administrative action against both of us.   Why even write that last part if you were only directing your moderator venom to me?

Umm...cheeky monkeys isnt an attack.  It's more an "oh you guys" casual dismissal.   And the comment was more a desire for caution.  Cause I have, and I do, occasionally suggest in threads for people to maybe take consideration into their posts since things are heating up.  If I was warning you both, I would say "you are both warned" with the grace and tact of a brick.

I realize you, Destina, have a hard time comprehending when people are joking and when they are serious, but in my case, when I am serious I tend to avoid using cute euphamisms and friendly language and go straight into the punch.

QuoteBut when you add all that stuff into the moderating post, it creates the impression that you intervened because your "friends" got attacked.  Combined with your other comments to Netami and myself, it appears to me that you have one set of standards for  me and another set of standards for other people.

Why should I care if you are having a slap-fight with Zina and Darkmoon?  All three of you are big kids.  Regardless, I told you the reason for your warning in its details. What "impression" I made beforehand shouldn't matter, since impressions are often made on biased judgments.

QuoteSo, if you're involved in a discussion that goes haywire, in essence you can't post on the board, even in fun.

No.  If you are involved, and one of the central figures in a discussion that goes haywire, you can't post directly after in a new thread more things to fuel the flame.  Don't play coy Destina.  I'm not even talking about the Lusty Siren thread.  The thread that got locked got locked at May 29, 2007, 01:58:50 PM.  Your first post in this one was May 29, 2007, 11:52:42 PM.  There wasn't even a grace period. 

QuoteStrangely, I don't see that restriction being applied to anyone else, since it takes several people to make a heated discusssion.  If you're going to put one on the watch list, put everybody involved there, and limit all discussion equally.  But if a thread can go off topic and certain people have "multiple things" held against them in a completely unrelated thread  (this one) while others can post in fun about the same off-topic issue (http://clockworkmansion.com/forum/index.php?topic=2853.0) that the locked topic was locked for, then that throws out the notion of the treating people equally.

Firstly, I'm not the main moderator of the CVRPG forum. I'm more the "I randomly stop in when I get memo'd something is happening" mod.   The CVRPG forum is Darkmoon and Damaris' domain primarily.  Which is why my warning only came from when you hopped from the locked thread to a thread in the Villa.   And the only ones involved from the locked thread and this one are you and Darkmoon. (Evil Richter is absent, Seth Triggs is absent, etc)

The reason you don't see the restriction applied to other people is because you are looking in another place for your examples.  This warning is only about the locked thread and this one combined.

QuoteSo what "multiple things" were against me?  If you're referring to all the things you mentioned that you say were not the reason for your warning, then those things do not count.  If they do count toward the warning, then these events have corrupted your actions as well, since it means your moderator actions are fueled by your displeasure and dislike.

You and Evil Richter and Darkmoon caused a hissy fit to get a thread locked down.
Less than 24 hours later, you hopped into another thread with what seemed the only intent to vent your frustrations.
You cannot be the center of two potential issues of trouble and not expect some repurcussion.  And what is defined as an issue of trouble is woefully up to the mods/admins to decide.

QuoteSo, you're saying that I caused the issue in the other thread, despite saying in the actual thread that emotions were running high and that everyone needed to cool down (http://clockworkmansion.com/forum/index.php?topic=2694.msg118927#msg118927)?  If so, why did you wait to blame me in this thread?  Isn't this also a form of post-hopping?

I didn't want the thread locked. I expected when I went to bed that things would continue on discussion.  I expected Seth would get a chance to defend himself, and that the thread would go on. I didn't expect it to get locked down less than 4 posts later, and I definately didn't expect to see you jump into a "rawr. Admins are poopy biased buggers" less than 24 hours later.

Lemme let you in on something.
I am personally displeased at your attacks in the last thread.
I am adminally displeased that you couldn't hold back yourself from jumping into another hotspot before the embers of the last thread even cooled. 

QuoteIf anything, cheap shots were thrown in my direction.  Granted, I entered the thread, but does that give others the right to call me or any other posters names, or to write me off?

So why didn't you take the high road and report them? Oh...lemme guess...you thought since Zina was a mod and a friend of mine that she would get no retribution and have favour granted.  So instead you just decided to wallow around and sling stuff right back.  Bravo.

Nice to see the flaws in the admin system are working both sides.

QuoteIssues can only arise with multiple people involved.  Picking one person, even if they seem to cause the issue, doesn't solve anything.  It just makes the group's self-perpetuating wrongness accepted.

No.  Picking you doesn't seem to solve the issue, at least according to you.   There has been several people who have been warned for their actions, but you likely don't even know who they are because whenever the admins are doing things that could be considered "right", it doesnt even make a splash. Its only when the admins do something you dont like, that it becomes an "issue".

You arent special in your situation Destina. People have been warned for doing stuff like this in the past.

Now, I'm sure we can do this back and forth for days on end.  But frankly, I have better things to do than spend half hours going around the mulberry bush with you.    I stand by my warning.  And if after this you still think its a bastardization of the system, I'm just going to have to say "sorry you feel that way" and leave it at that. 

Mab more or less answered everything I would have said, but I'll make sure to emphasis it from my perspective.

For one, the Lusty Sirens thread picks up the thread of the discussion that was NOT a flame war. Had we wanted to, we could have split the thread, separating the flame discussion from the non-flame (and if you check the mine, you will see we've done this in the past, thus setting precedent). A new thread was made, however, saving us the energy. There was no reason for that PART of the discussion to be closed, and so it wasn't.

Second, you're unhappy because you feel I slammed you for wanting to do art. That was not the intention. The intention was to inform you that if the artwork did not suit the needs of the site (ie, artwork done in good humor, and art work of characters featured in the comics), then I wouldn't put it up. I didn't even mention that quality would be a factor, because, for you, it wouldn't have been. It would be for other people, but I let you slide with a lot more than other people get.

No matter whether you think it's wrong or not for me to set qualifications for what I want on MY site, I am allowed to set whatever qualifications i want, and after the third time I stated exactly that, over and over again, you should have dropped it, because OBVIOUSLY, I'm not changing my mind on the matter.

Context is important, and since I'm the one posting it, it would all come down to my view of the context. I can miss interpret, lord knows I might from time to time, but that's how art is. Everyone views it from their own perspective, and when it comes to CVRPG, my perspective is law.

Thirdly, you were warned for good reason. You started flame-baiting in another thread when less than 12 hours had gone by. If ANYONE else had done that, they would have gotten a warning as well. Hell, I've even gotten one from Damaris in the past, so even I am not above the law.

Like me or don't like me on the forums. I try to do what's right as an admin, and I try to be myself as a poster. Sometimes I'm both at once, but I usually try to divide the two, preventing myself from being an ass when I'm an admin, and stopping myself from being an admin when I'm an ass in a thread. I can't do both, so I have to choose, in order to be fair.

I'm not going to go the Netrogo route and tell you that this is the Kingdom of Darkmoon and all must bow to me because it's on my server. All are welcome, so long as they stick to the rules. The rules were decided upon by all the admins, and we regularly refresh them. If you don't like the rules, it's true, no one is making you stay here.

However, you are allowed to voice your displeasure about the rules. Everyone is. For you, though, you will need to take it to PMs until the admins say otherwise. You've started to two flame bait conversations on this board complaining about the rules. I don't think it wise to start anymore, since we could percieve that as just another flame topic, whether you mean for it to be or not.

I dunno if you'll read this or not, but that's where I stand and that's my position. It won't change.

Had to double post. It's not record breaking like the last few players, but:

209443800

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I am....somewhat ashamed of this.

Oh my fucking lord. How in the fuckin hell did you do THAT?!

I didn't want to write my paper. That's how. :C

I just finished breaking 9 billion and you're into the trillions? Wow.

Yeah, somehow my 209 mil is so much less impressive...

She's a witch!  Burn 'er! D:

Whoo angry post victorian era witch burning mob! *grabs his torch and pitchfork that he keeps ready for just such an occassion*

You have those actually ready for that specific purpose,. or do you live on a farm and just like to say you do...?

(shines a spotlight)

We want the truth!

I keep them in my closet next to my zombie survival kit, my special riot clothes, and my katana.

YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH! >:O (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1153050993840275715)

Quote from: Netrogo on June 05, 2007, 12:48:46 AM
I keep them in my closet next to my zombie survival kit, my special riot clothes, and my katana.

And your My Little Pony collection.

Quote from: Darkmoon on June 05, 2007, 12:51:02 AM

Quote from: Netrogo on June 05, 2007, 12:48:46 AM
I keep them in my closet next to my zombie survival kit, my special riot clothes, and my katana.

And your My Little Pony collection.

Nah that's up on the shelf on the other side of the room.

I coulda sworn you had the Bratz dolls there...

I keep those on the dresser.

No, that's where you keep your new dildos and the signed picture of Scott Baio.

I knew it!

*sob*

I moved those to the bedside table next to the snapshots of you that 'someone' took from the bushes the other night.

Dammit Bill!

That's just... that's... something. :/

...STOP GAYING UP MY INTERNETS! :U

Nah, I think you did that on your own. *coughabelcough*

He's quite the photographer too. Some of these are just... wow... Oh and *whispers* between you and me when you're doing 'that' you may wanna try a fiodor knot instead ;)

Quote from: Amber Williams on June 05, 2007, 01:17:03 AM
...STOP GAYING UP MY INTERNETS! :U

NEVAR!!!!! >:] :veryevil

I realy did have a comment here

but by the time I got to the end of the thread and could comment... my mind melted...

And this is me were talking about it takes some doing to get that effect

*thinks and walks around the house*

You know doe a city boy I do have alot of farm implaments,  pitchforks, big old farm scythes, and what must be the evilist looking farming tool I've ever come across A hay saw...  I love that thing... I'm gonna talk to that blacksmith and see if he can make a sword blade like it

I don't think those scores were such a big deal... the more you do the more you get because you can keep doubling your score and the points each bell is worth keep going up >.>

Yes, but after 10 minutes, I had 209 mil. While sure, that will double again and again over time, you still have to get it up there. It'd take likely a good half hour to do, and considering twicthing and general size of bells at that height, that's damn impressive.

Agh...my highest is 40,000...Dang gameshark users :P

Uhh there is no such thing as gameshark for pc.

Quote from: Netrogo on June 05, 2007, 09:13:22 AM
Uhh there is no such thing as gameshark for pc.

yes there is and you know it!!...I'm watching you man,I'm watching you >:3

Watching me eh? *strips naked* Enjoy the show big boy ;)

*gets popcorn*

I have a stack of 0.5 dollar bills, here....

*Eyes catch on fire* AGGHH!!!My eyes,my beautiful eyes!!Curse you!! :curseyou

I can sum up everything I'd want to say right now in a single smiley.

:mwaha

Actually, I'm pretty sure there was. I was in Electronics Boutique quite some years ago and saw something resembling one.

Hmm now that you mention it. I just googled it and apparently they did release a cd gameshark for PCs, it just never caught on.

And I doubt they made it work for the bunny game.

Whatever makes Metal feel like his e-penis is bigger.

I'm pretty sure the bunny game didn't even exist then. And even so, they'd have to somehow have a way to mess with each version of flash to come out, IN the browser window.

exactly my point.

What if Metal has a time machine?


WHAT THEN.

He could go back and make it so gameshark does make a cheat for the bunny game. Thus enabling himself to cheat at it and get a really high score, only to find out that everyone else cheats and get's higher scores then him still leading him to whine and claim everyone else is haxing or something.

In other words, the world would get just a little bit stupider if Metal had a time machine.

Or, you could just use photoshop...

You take all the fun out of coming up with crackpot theories and delusions, you know that?

Darkmoon should die imo.

Quote from: Jim Halisstrad on June 05, 2007, 06:02:26 PM
What if Metal has a time machine?


WHAT THEN.

DANGIT!!! I told you it's a secret!

Hmm, if we killed Darkmoon we could muscle in and take over his territory.

But killing him would require effort, nuts to that *takes nap*

You'd also have to provide a cook.  Otherwise I'd starve to death. :(

Yeah, she's pretty helpless.

Sides, if anyone is gonna muscle in, it's Amber. I dun seen the way she been lookin at mah wife.

Quote from: Damaris on June 05, 2007, 10:16:24 PM
You'd also have to provide a cook.  Otherwise I'd starve to death. :(

*weaves back and foth, a bottle of scotch in one hand*

I can fry, I a cook

She can't do fried foods. The grease and her are not a good combination.

Oh whats she like?
I have a great baked mac and cheese and a killer chicken speghetti, of and a nice sweet and sour keilbassa... oh and then there is my chicken cordon bleu which is lightly pan seared and then baked

She'd like all that...

dammit...

:curseyou

Quote from: BillBuckner on June 05, 2007, 08:47:40 PM
Darkmoon should die imo.

The crow flies at dawn! Meet the baker on the corner of First and Charlie; rendezvous at the turn of the second moon!

Oooh, ooh, can I come? I totally could be of use!

As long as someone ships me TGH, I'm cool with it. ;)

I was going to intercept him and keep him in my bathroom, thus killing the both of you. One in a brutal manner, the other through starvation.

But...how will I get cream soda if my middlemen in the states are dead? :<

What, they don't have cream soda in Canada?  Those bastards!

YAY I'm wanted...

*is so happy he does the dance of joy*

I'll make you cream soda gumi's hon

I just learned what I've been doing wrong

I'm telling ya, if you could ever figure out how to make cream soda fudge like those rootbeer fudge things you make...I'd totally have your gay babies. :B

Quote from: Amber Williams on June 06, 2007, 12:36:03 AM
I'm telling ya, if you could ever figure out how to make cream soda fudge like those rootbeer fudge things you make...I'd totally have your gay babies. :B

You know I might be able to do that.  lemme do a quick search

HEY! Stop baking and start sitting in my bathroom.

 :mowdizzy i got lost on my way in...could someone hand me a map?

Why would you want to know where you're going?

Don't you see a perfectly good opportunity here?

I mean... Of course you can have a map! Here, this is a perfectly legitimate map leading out of this place....

..And into my house...  :mwaha

Quote from: Netami on June 06, 2007, 12:48:56 AM
Don't you see a perfectly good opportunity here?

I mean... Of course you can have a map! Here, this is a perfectly legitimate map leading out of this place....

..And into my house...  :mwaha

*follows* and where might this line leading to a rectangle be leading to?

...Cookies... :paranoid

Quote from: Amber Williams on June 06, 2007, 12:36:03 AM
I'm telling ya, if you could ever figure out how to make cream soda fudge like those rootbeer fudge things you make...I'd totally have your gay babies. :B

Hmm looks like I can do that,  Since I'll be using a substance then for the rootbeer ones I'll have to experiment a bit.

Shat would you like the second flavor to be?  I was thinking Cream soda and butterscotch... I'd call it butterbeer fudge

*scanning threw some of the other things he could try*

Weee this could be fun

QuoteHEY! Stop baking and start sitting in my bathroom.

But  nobody would like my fudge if I made it in the bathroom

0w0 it leads to cookies?

It leads to 'cookies,' yes, if you don't answer your phone. >:3

*Thwaps* NEVAR!!!

Have fun in Netami's house, then. :.

Hey, Netami... does your milkshake bring all the forumites to the yard?

*is so tempted to bring out the censored dancing animie bunny boy gife he made and set to the milkshak song..*

Ohh I will be strong I will be strong... that gif will only lead to anger and anger leads to flame wars and flame wars lead to the dark side of the internets

Flame wars lead to B&!

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Quote from: thegayhare on June 06, 2007, 01:54:10 AM
*is so tempted to bring out the censored dancing animie bunny boy gife he made and set to the milkshak song..*

Ohh I will be strong I will be strong... that gif will only lead to anger and anger leads to flame wars and flame wars lead to the dark side of the internets

*uses Jedi mind trick* You WILL give it to me...you will....you will show the dark side...

Double posters get B&, too.

People who call my phone get..uh..something too!

Quote from: xHaZxMaTx on June 06, 2007, 02:04:13 AM
Double posters get B&, too.

Nah. They just get sand kicked in their face at the geek beach parties.

Perhaps it is time I told the truth about seducing and/or knocking out you both. You see, I've been developing the ultimate death laser for the past several years. The only problem is that it runs exclusively on gay bunny boys and women named Xze-Xze! After a long and arduous journey, I was lucky enough to find both of you here, on the same forum!

Soon... Soon my plans will be completed, and I will rule the world! 

:megagroove

How terribly inefficient. :/  Couldn't you have it run on like... batteries or something?  Frick, you'd have a better chance of acquiring some uranium for it to run on, or something!

No! My device will run on gay and crazy-gurl souls alone!! Don't question my design flaws.  :nono

Quote from: thegayhare on June 06, 2007, 01:09:08 AM
Shat would you like the second flavor to be?  I was thinking Cream soda and butterscotch... I'd call it butterbeer fudge

*scanning threw some of the other things he could try*

Weee this could be fun

Not sure.  I'm not the biggest butterscotch fan (its too overpowering for me), and I dont know enough about the candy-making process to know what are various options. :<

I like hard drugs. Does anyone else like hard drugs?

Not really. I prefer the chewable kind myself. :3

I like the powder kind you can mix into your drinks.

Quote from: Amber Williams on June 06, 2007, 05:30:36 AM

Quote from: thegayhare on June 06, 2007, 01:09:08 AM
Shat would you like the second flavor to be?  I was thinking Cream soda and butterscotch... I'd call it butterbeer fudge

*scanning threw some of the other things he could try*

Weee this could be fun

Not sure.  I'm not the biggest butterscotch fan (its too overpowering for me), and I dont know enough about the candy-making process to know what are various options. :<

What about vanilla? The cream sodas she likes best usually have a vanilla-y hint.

Aww man, the one night I go to bed at a 'decent' hour and all this insanity happens :cry

yeah I was thinking that... 

I figure I'll use th same basic formula as the rootber float fudge for Ambers creamsoda float fudge with a slight change.  The cream soda flavor will bemixed in the regular chocolate  AND i'LL PROBABLY MIX IN ABOUT 1/4 TO 1/3 white chocolate to lighten the chocolate flavor.  White chocolate is a more nuteral flavor so it'll make sure the chocolate flavor doesn't overwhelm the creamsoda, (as a side effect it'll lighten the brown a bit hopefuly more creamy)  and then the vannilla white chocolate layer on top

But I still want to try the butterbeer fudge... I wonder if Amber's ever had the butter beer mixed drink  7 oz of cream soda, 1 oz of butterscotch schnappes...  I'll have to bring a bottle of butter shots with me so she can try it

edit:
sorry about the caps... damn caps lock

Quote from: xHaZxMaTx on June 06, 2007, 12:20:04 AM
What, they don't have cream soda in Canada?  Those bastards!

Waiaminit we have cream soda here.

Not the right type.  We seriously have to special order the damn stuff for her by the case.  It's made by a brewery in Wisconsin, I think, and our local comic book store is the only place that has access to it.

I have to say, they loved her while she was living here- she was by every two days or so for her fix. ;)

Is it weird that I'm realy excited about this?

I love developing new recipies

It makes me all giddy

Quote from: thegayhare on June 06, 2007, 10:29:17 AM
Is it weird that I'm realy excited about this?

I love developing new recipies

It makes me all giddy

(http://www.thesmashmix.com/wp-content/Quagmire.jpg) *flees*

Quote from: Damaris on June 06, 2007, 10:16:24 AM
Not the right type.  We seriously have to special order the damn stuff for her by the case.  It's made by a brewery in Wisconsin, I think, and our local comic book store is the only place that has access to it.

I have to say, they loved her while she was living here- she was by every two days or so for her fix. ;)

What's it called by chance? I've found some of the most obscure stuff imaginable in Chinatown here, y'never know XD

Quote from: Netami on June 06, 2007, 04:21:43 AM
Perhaps it is time I told the truth about seducing and/or knocking out you both. You see, I've been developing the ultimate death laser for the past several years. The only problem is that it runs exclusively on gay bunny boys and women named Xze-Xze! After a long and arduous journey, I was lucky enough to find both of you here, on the same forum!

Soon... Soon my plans will be completed, and I will rule the world! 

:megagroove

Hmm well okay I'll agree to power your weapon but I have a few demands.  I am a picky house guest slash hostage.

I needa full pantry, a nearby farmers market and well stocked supermarket.  I need a salamander and an indusrial grade range.  12 burners are prefurable but an 8 will be acceptable

Sprecker's Root Beer.

The Farmer's Market appears only on Wednesday mornings until two in the afternoon. The pantry will remain full unless I raid it for goodies. My burners are numerous and ill-mannered; salamanders are allowed, but watch for cats.  :mwaha

Wow you're not kidding about it being rare. I can't even find a website or pic of the bottle online, figured a pic would help me search for it but it doesn't exist. Save for a few mentions on other forums :erk


EDIT: Umm is it spelt with a K or an H, cuz I found something called Sprecher's all over the internet.

We're not telling.  It's the only reason we get her to visit. :p

S'all good, if it is the stuff with an H it's not available in Canada except by special order from the main brewery, which from what you guys were saying, is down the street from you :mowdizzy

in the world where indiana and wisconsin are neighbors, sure ;)

Since the topics keep switching back and forth anyway, I hope no one minds that I'm rewinding a few pages for a moment.

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Turns out it wasn't 3 billion, it was 30 trillion.  I guess the current score display can't handle so many digits.  It fixed itself next game.

Quote from: Zina on June 04, 2007, 10:48:13 PM
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I am....somewhat ashamed of this.

Only one birdie-doubler away.. Get hoppin'! :januscat

WTF? 30 Trillion?

You do realize that every time you play that game, you're appropriating a larger portion of your soul over to hellish beings? They're probably going to sell it in energy form to, like, India.

Honestly. You're making a bunny get to the moon. Not unlike hamsters powering things by running on wheels, I can only imagine what impoverished nation just got energy for a year just because someone wouldn't let the &@^!ing bunny procreate and eat grass like normal bunnies do.

Somalia.

Now I guess you've figured out how o make the scores overflow.

I like to think that the amount of electricity I use in a full day of computing is equivalent to what a small impoverished tribe uses in a month. That might be because I'm a horrible human being though >:3

Bah, who cares about powering third-world countries?  My bunny's just trying to reach the crazy (bleep)er dropping all those bells!

I can see it now. You reach a certain height and you find this douche bag up there and suddenly the game changes to a fighting game and you just wail the hell outta him. :mwaha

Wake me up when you beat

18,446,744,073,709,551,616

(I haven't gotten anywhere near that yet--last time I played it was last year and I don't think I broke ten thousand.  I want to see what happens when you do.)