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There is his clan mark, and he killed Cid.

  Kill him.

So Abel's father killed his mother's husband.  Would that make Abel a bastard?  Or does Furrae not really have such a concept?

**EDIT**
And:
How did he hide the clanmark?  He doesn't go to sleep with the bracers, surely.
Since he's the same clan as Abel, he's definitely the father and May is definitely the mother.  So what the hell is the deal with the wings?

*BAM*

i.hate.him

That magnificent bastard. He's been acting all this time. Kill him. Now.

but hes a cute bastard at least :D
:cvheart (http://www.furfire.org/art/yapaniz.gif) :cvheart

Quote from: Tapewolf on May 03, 2007, 08:32:35 AMSo Abel's father killed his mother's husband.  Would that make Abel a bastard?

Er... Abel *has* a father.

Quote from: Tapewolf on May 03, 2007, 08:32:35 AMHow did he hide the clanmark?  He doesn't go to sleep with the bracers, surely.
Since he's the same clan as Abel, he's definitely the father and May is definitely the mother. 

Yeah.  Something doesn't make sense.  In the early strips, he wrapped his wrists, and he surely didn't sleep with that.  He might be able to sleep with them on, but he'd have to take them off from time to time.  When washing hands, for example.  Damp fur closed up for hours (let alone years) would stink to high heaven

Quote from: Tapewolf on May 03, 2007, 08:32:35 AMSo what the hell is the deal with the wings?

Remove the shirt.  THEN the wings  It's not a difficult concept, Tapewolf.

Quote from: superluser on May 03, 2007, 08:47:21 AM

Quote from: Tapewolf on May 03, 2007, 08:32:35 AMSo Abel's father killed his mother's husband.  Would that make Abel a bastard?

Er... Abel *has* a father.

Yes, but his biological father wasn't married to his biological mother when he was born.  Although given the possibility of substitution in Furrae, they may have a different definition.

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Quote from: Tapewolf on May 03, 2007, 08:32:35 AMSo what the hell is the deal with the wings?

Remove the shirt.  THEN the wings  It's not a difficult concept, Tapewolf.

Not the backwings - the bat-wings which Abel has while he does not.  Unless the backwings are totally different to the headwings, a 'Cubi configuration we have not seen thus far.

Quote from: AndersW on May 03, 2007, 08:31:12 AM
There is his clan mark, and he killed Cid.Kill him.

Unless he knocked May up by stealth, I don't think we've seen Cid.  Ever.  So we don't know what he was like - for all we know he was an even worse asshole than Aniz...

*Charline chuckles*  Fur-coloring.  Magic may not hide a clan marking, but simple paint or dye will do the job.  I would use that, but my marking is in a place not usually seen in public.  *blinks at the stares*  What?  Oh I see!  It's on my upper right thigh, ya pervs!  ;)

Quote from: Tapewolf on May 03, 2007, 08:52:45 AMYes, but his biological father wasn't married to his biological mother when he was born.  Although given the possibility of substitution in Furrae, they may have a different definition.

If what Aniz says is true, then by now, they should be married by common law.  Perhaps he killed Cid before they got married, in which case, Abel would be perfectly legitimate.

Quote from: Tapewolf on May 03, 2007, 08:52:45 AMNot the backwings - the bat-wings which Abel has while he does not.  Unless the backwings are totally different to the headwings, a 'Cubi configuration we have not seen thus far.

Note also that Abel's wing color doesn't match Aniz's.  The gene for bat/feathery might likewise be inherited from either parent.

Quote from: Tapewolf on May 03, 2007, 08:52:45 AMUnless he knocked May up by stealth, I don't think we've seen Cid.  Ever.  So we don't know what he was like - for all we know he was an even worse asshole than Aniz...

Something's really not right.  Winking, sticking out his tongue and pointing to his clan mark?  It doesn't make sense.  I don't see why Aniz even bothered pointing out his clan mark, unless it's a fake.  I don't see why he bothered to tell May that he killed Cid.  I don't see why he told them that `cubi can hide their headwings.  He's giving away all of his secrets, and he's breaking something like a dozen of the Evil Overlord rules (http://www.eviloverlord.com/lists/overlord.html).

6.)  I will not gloat over my enemies' predicament before killing them.
7.)  When I've captured my adversary and he says, "Look, before you kill me, will you at least tell me what this is all about?" I'll say, "No." and shoot him. No, on second thought I'll shoot him then say "No."
18.) I will not have a son. Although his laughably under-planned attempt to usurp power would easily fail, it would provide a fatal distraction at a crucial point in time.
35.) I will not grow a goatee. In the old days they made you look diabolic. Now they just make you look like a disaffected member of Generation X.

And the clincher:

78.) I will not tell my Legions of Terror "And he must be taken alive!" The command will be "And try to take him alive if it is reasonably practical."

He wants Abel to survive, or else he would have killed him years ago.  So he's going to have to kill both Hennya and May to keep it a secret, all the while keeping Abel alive.  This is going to be difficult.  At least, difficult enough that I don't think that he would be giving away all of his secrets.

Edit: PREDICTION!  Abel will meet Kria in the mainline before he meets her again in Abel's Story.

Quote from: superluser on May 03, 2007, 09:38:30 AM
Something's really not right.  Winking, sticking out his tongue and pointing to his clan mark?  It doesn't make sense.

Damn straight.  That frame is probably the single weirdest part of the entire episode.  Aside from the fact that he smacked May up and killed Cid, I'd say he's being friendly.  Of course he might simply have got high on all the emotions floating around (fear, pain, confusion etc).

Again, I'm starting to wonder if May is a succubus - probably because what we're seeing just doesn't make sense  :erk

**EDIT**
Is he winking and gesturing at Abel?  Because he adores his son but hates his 'wife'?

I doubt Aniz is lying about any of this, but as far as reasons go, I'm voting for "he's a criminaly insane son-of-a-b*tch"

Quote from: AndersW on May 03, 2007, 08:31:12 AM
There is his clan mark, and he killed Cid.

  Kill him.

Quote from: Kettle on May 03, 2007, 08:42:37 AM

*BAM*

i.hate.him

Quote from: Alan Garou on May 03, 2007, 08:44:07 AM
That magnificent bastard. He's been acting all this time. Kill him. Now.

I'll contribute to this "poll" of sorts.
KILL THE F@%&ING B*ST*RD.
Anyone else want to add? Let's find out just how many forumites want to see Aniz dead!

Quote from: Tapewolf on May 03, 2007, 09:52:45 AM

Quote from: superluser on May 03, 2007, 09:38:30 AM
Something's really not right.  Winking, sticking out his tongue and pointing to his clan mark?  It doesn't make sense.

Damn straight.  That frame is probably the single weirdest part of the entire episode.  Aside from the fact that he smacked May up and killed Cid, I'd say he's being friendly.  Of course he might simply have got high on all the emotions floating around (fear, pain, confusion etc).

Again, I'm starting to wonder if May is a succubus - probably because what we're seeing just doesn't make sense  :erk

**EDIT**
Is he winking and gesturing at Abel?  Because he adores his son but hates his 'wife'?

Or it could simply be that Aniz is a giant jerk who decided to act all playful even as he shreds both his son's and his wife's world to pieces. Classic evil villain: one who acts boisterous even while committing unscrupulous deeds and as he unveils his evil evil plan.

However, if Aniz was really Abel's father, I'm still confused as to how Abel was able to inherit some of "Cid's" attributes: the stripe marking the underside of his tail, the size of the spots on his forearms, and the shape of the giant marking covering his chest (in how it dips down).

Aniz, you royal jerkface. Something tells me that May and Hennya won't get out of this encounter alive.

~Keaton the Black Jackal
PS: Oh yeah, and I'm also going to hop on the F^&* Aniz bandwagon. And I don't mean that 'F%^&' in a literal sense, either. He isn't THAT cute for me to forget the fact he hit May and is likely going to do a lot more damage mentally and physically.

Quote from: Keaton the Black Jackal on May 03, 2007, 10:58:54 AM
[Aniz, you royal jerkface. Something tells me that May and Hennya won't get out of this encounter alive.

~Keaton the Black Jackal

Unfortunatly, that's the vibe I'm getting, too. MORE UBER TRAGEDY! D: 'A'

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Quote from: Falcarthum on May 03, 2007, 11:09:21 AM
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I still say that should be added that as an emoticon...

As for wanting him dead, I'd like to hear his side of the story first.  I'll admit he seems to be thoroughly evil - and in all likelihood he probably is - but most people said the same about Devin, too.

Maybe all of this is a sick practical joke to him. Kill his enemy, knock up his wife and make her unknowingly raise a cubi child fathered by her husband's murderer. As has been mentioned before, 20+ years is nothing to a cubi. And the reason he's acting so arrogant now is he knows there is nothing they can do about it. He's the most powerful being in the room. He may not even kill May. He might get more enjoyment leaving her to her misery.

Allow me to postulate a third possibility, possibly playing Devil's Advocate.  Perhaps Aniz killed Cid, then caught a flash of Cid's last thoughts about his wife, and in a moment of un-cubi-like compassion, decided to look after her in Cid's place.  Then, possibly, during the years that Aniz was playing the part of Cid, he genuinely fell for her, which is why he is now telling the secrets, knowing that he doesn't have to hide from her anymore.  I'm not sure what he plans to do with Hennya, though.

Quote from: Tapewolf on May 03, 2007, 11:12:38 AMAs for wanting him dead, I'd like to hear his side of the story first.  I'll admit he seems to be thoroughly evil - and in all likelihood he probably is - but most people said the same about Devin, too.

Unlike Devin, however, Aniz killed someone. He claimed to have killed the "real" Cid, and he cracked his wife's nose. Devin acted incredibly juvenile and tormented Abel in his childhood, but he never killed anyone.

Quote from: AleolusAllow me to postulate a third possibility, possibly playing Devil's Advocate.  Perhaps Aniz killed Cid, then caught a flash of Cid's last thoughts about his wife, and in a moment of un-cubi-like compassion, decided to look after her in Cid's place.  Then, possibly, during the years that Aniz was playing the part of Cid, he genuinely fell for her, which is why he is now telling the secrets, knowing that he doesn't have to hide from her anymore.  I'm not sure what he plans to do with Hennya, though.

But then why did he hit May if he really cared for her?

~Keaton the Black Jackal

Quote from: Silverfoxr on May 03, 2007, 08:46:49 AM
but hes a cute bastard at least :D
:cvheart (http://www.furfire.org/art/yapaniz.gif) :cvheart

*snickers* Now he just needs a thought balloon of ulterior motives. :3

Quote from: Keaton the Black Jackal on May 03, 2007, 11:17:24 AMBut then why did he hit May if he really cared for her?
~Keaton the Black Jackal

Possibly a reversion to a cubi's natural, violent nature.  I'm not sure, it's just a possibility.

Quote from: Keaton the Black Jackal on May 03, 2007, 11:17:24 AM
Unlike Devin, however, Aniz killed someone. He claimed to have killed the "real" Cid, and he cracked his wife's nose. Devin acted incredibly juvenile and tormented Abel in his childhood, but he never killed anyone.

Nah.  Devin was an adventurer, so he's most likely killed a load of people in his time.  He took down an Angel for one.

Cid too - for all we know Aniz' attack was self-defence.

Honestly, I'm going to go contrary and say I like Aniz already.  I absolutely love his opening line for this comic.

By the way, does his behavior seem familiar?  I think we know where Abel got his "I'm a jerk, but I'm a nice jerk" personality from.

[snip]

Quote from: superluser on May 03, 2007, 09:38:30 AM

Something's really not right.  Winking, sticking out his tongue and pointing to his clan mark?  It doesn't make sense.  I don't see why Aniz even bothered pointing out his clan mark, unless it's a fake.  I don't see why he bothered to tell May that he killed Cid.  I don't see why he told them that `cubi can hide their headwings.  He's giving away all of his secrets, and he's breaking something like a dozen of the Evil Overlord rules (http://www.eviloverlord.com/lists/overlord.html).

6.)  I will not gloat over my enemies' predicament before killing them.
7.)  When I've captured my adversary and he says, "Look, before you kill me, will you at least tell me what this is all about?" I'll say, "No." and shoot him. No, on second thought I'll shoot him then say "No."
18.) I will not have a son. Although his laughably under-planned attempt to usurp power would easily fail, it would provide a fatal distraction at a crucial point in time.
35.) I will not grow a goatee. In the old days they made you look diabolic. Now they just make you look like a disaffected member of Generation X.

And the clincher:

78.) I will not tell my Legions of Terror "And he must be taken alive!" The command will be "And try to take him alive if it is reasonably practical."

EO#6: unless he's not planning on actually killing anybody.  Seeing Aniz clearly, I don't think he's actually got May or Hennya's deaths in mind.

Quote from: Alondro on May 03, 2007, 08:53:18 AM
*Charline chuckles*  Fur-coloring.  Magic may not hide a clan marking, but simple paint or dye will do the job.  I would use that, but my marking is in a place not usually seen in public.  *blinks at the stares*  What?  Oh I see!  It's on my upper right thigh, ya pervs!  ;)

Why couldn't you have mentioned that half a week ago when I wondered about how he kept May from realizing while they were in bed?

Quote from: Tapewolf on May 03, 2007, 11:23:58 AM

Quote from: Keaton the Black Jackal on May 03, 2007, 11:17:24 AM
Unlike Devin, however, Aniz killed someone. He claimed to have killed the "real" Cid, and he cracked his wife's nose. Devin acted incredibly juvenile and tormented Abel in his childhood, but he never killed anyone.

Nah.  Devin was an adventurer, so he's most likely killed a load of people in his time.  He took down an Angel for one.

Cid too - for all we know Aniz' attack was self-defence.

This is true.  On the other hand, Cid may have attacked because Aniz was out pillaging and burninating.

(( Edit: Fixed the quote. Hope you don't mind... -- llearch ))

[edit-reply]not at all, boss.  ASCII is not the most ideal codeslinging method around.  I forgot to check it before posting.[/edit-reply]

I just had a horrible thought.

Aniz wanders out, leaving them all alive.

Cid wanders back in, asking if everyone is ok - he's "seen Aniz leaving and was worried"...
... only it's Aniz again, stirring the confusion up even more.


Repeat two or three times, alternating displaying himself as Aniz and hiding as Cid, and he could get them questioning their sanity, perhaps to the point of suicide, with a little effort.


... Sorry. Didn't mean to confuse anyone.

On a completely different note from the "Kill Aniz" train of thought, I just noticed that the way his bangs fall around his eyes is close to how I've been having my hair the past few days. Not that it's bad, but it's the first time I felt the way my hair looked was awesome.

So...did Cid/Aniz always have a ponytail? :B

Quote from: Tapewolf on May 03, 2007, 11:23:58 AM
Nah.  Devin was an adventurer, so he's most likely killed a load of people in his time.  He took down an Angel for one.

Cid too - for all we know Aniz' attack was self-defence.

Which would be oh so amusing with all the people saying kill aniz.
You all get so overly emotional about about fiction, it's funny.

Quote from: Fuyudenki on May 03, 2007, 11:25:53 AM
Honestly, I'm going to go contrary and say I like Aniz already.  I absolutely love his opening line for this comic.

EO#6: unless he's not planning on actually killing anybody.  Seeing Aniz clearly, I don't think he's actually got May or Hennya's deaths in mind.

Very true.  Indeed, this is a common motif for my own character, since he is best at feeding on fear.  Come to that, it's probably why I kind of like Aniz too...

Quote from: Whitemagebishieboy on May 03, 2007, 11:36:17 AM

Quote from: Tapewolf on May 03, 2007, 11:23:58 AM
Cid too - for all we know Aniz' attack was self-defence.

Which would be oh so amusing with all the people saying kill aniz.
You all get so overly emotional about about fiction, it's funny.

Nah - it's the hallmark of good fiction.  In fact I think we've had this conversation before...

**EDIT**
http://clockworkmansion.com/forum/index.php?topic=1810.msg74630#msg74630

Quote from: Whitemagebishieboy on May 03, 2007, 11:36:17 AMYou all get so overly emotional about about fiction, it's funny.

When fiction can invoke the same reactions as reality, it's the mark of a fantastic writer and an excellent story. It happens.

~Keaton the Black Jackal

Quote from: Tapewolf on May 03, 2007, 09:52:45 AMDamn straight.  That frame is probably the single weirdest part of the entire episode.  Aside from the fact that he smacked May up and killed Cid, I'd say he's being friendly.  Of course he might simply have got high on all the emotions floating around (fear, pain, confusion etc).

He doesn't seem so much happy as giddy and flip.  He's coming across as a narcissistic, shallow man who lives for the moment and simply trying his best to be a mindf*ck.

Aniz should be able to handle the emotional rush, since I'm sure he's been in highly emotional situations, before.  Anyways, if he's not able to handle the emotions, he should be exhibiting the emotions that he absorbed--pain, confusion, fear, anger...

I'll try to do a reading of how Aniz sounds to me tonight.  Mainly to explain why I don't think I can do him if we're to be taking what he said at face value.

Quote from: Tapewolf on May 03, 2007, 09:52:45 AMIs he winking and gesturing at Abel?  Because he adores his son but hates his 'wife'?

Possibly.  He doesn't seem to be taking much notice of Abel, though.  He answered his question, but not much else.  It doesn't explain why he's winking and sticking his tongue out.

Quote from: Keaton the Black Jackal on May 03, 2007, 10:58:54 AMOr it could simply be that Aniz is a giant jerk who decided to act all playful even as he shreds both his son's and his wife's world to pieces. Classic evil villain: one who acts boisterous even while committing unscrupulous deeds and as he unveils his evil evil plan.

Not really.  Classic B-movie evil villain, perhaps.  I'll have to reread Othello, but Iago is one of those totally evil characters.  No one knows why he hates Othello, and no reason is ever given.

But Iago doesn't seem to enjoy doing it.

Contrast Don John from Much Ado about Nothing (or...Ooh!  Prince Hal and Falstaff).  He's constantly glib and facile, but he doesn't make elaborate plans; he makes simple plans and immediately acts on them.

Aniz is acting like Don John, but the plan to deceive May and live with her for 25 years seems more like Iago.

Quote from: Regal on May 03, 2007, 11:12:53 AMAs has been mentioned before, 20+ years is nothing to a cubi.

As has been mentioned before, it's not nothing.  It's something like a couple months.  Especially when the payoff lasts only a night (our equivalent of roughly 11 minutes).

Quote from: Fuyudenki on May 03, 2007, 11:25:53 AMBy the way, does his behavior seem familiar?  I think we know where Abel got his "I'm a jerk, but I'm a nice jerk" personality from.

This is not the same personality.  Abel's is ``Oh, I totally don't care about anyone else (sotto voce) but secretly, I do.''  Aniz is more, ``You look like fun!''

Quote from: Fuyudenki on May 03, 2007, 11:25:53 AMEO#6: unless he's not planning on actually killing anybody.  Seeing Aniz clearly, I don't think he's actually got May or Hennya's deaths in mind.

He better be.  Otherwise, if May talks and adventurers ever come across someone that they think might be Aniz again, the first thing that they'll ask him to do is take off his bracers.

Also, does the clan marking look like a masonic symbol to anyone else?

Quote from: Tapewolf on May 03, 2007, 11:39:19 AM
Very true.  Indeed, this is a common motif for my own character, since he is best at feeding on fear.  Come to that, it's probably why I kind of like Aniz too...

Wow, Cubi seems to be the most common race around here.  You silly cubi.  Lycanthropy, all the way!

Quote from: superluser on May 03, 2007, 11:41:24 AM
This is not the same personality.  Abel's is ``Oh, I totally don't care about anyone else (sotto voce) but secretly, I do.''  Aniz is more, ``You look like fun!''

Hmm... good point, though he's got the "ADHD on CRACK!" effect going on, so maybe I confused the two.

Quote from: superluser on May 03, 2007, 11:41:24 AM

Quote from: Fuyudenki on May 03, 2007, 11:25:53 AMEO#6: unless he's not planning on actually killing anybody.  Seeing Aniz clearly, I don't think he's actually got May or Hennya's deaths in mind.

He better be.  Otherwise, if May talks and adventurers ever come across someone that they think might be Aniz again, the first thing that they'll ask him to do is take off his bracers.

This is a Demon city.  I don't think most of the adventurers around here are particularly welcome.  Cid was doubtless an exception.

Now that I think about it, May seems to be handling her broken nose pretty well.  If the violence stays subdued for a while, and they can get attention to it soon enough, she'll probably be fine... but I just had this predictive flash that May may not live out the night.

Quote from: Fuyudenki on May 03, 2007, 11:50:16 AMThis is a Demon city.  I don't think most of the adventurers around here are particularly welcome.  Cid was doubtless an exception.

Even if Cid were the sole exception, May could certainly go back to Cantiv, which seems to have a bunch of adventurers.

Quote from: Fuyudenki on May 03, 2007, 11:50:16 AMNow that I think about it, May seems to be handling her broken nose pretty well.  If the violence stays subdued for a while, and they can get attention to it soon enough, she'll probably be fine... but I just had this predictive flash that May may not live out the night.

It's probably not broken, just bloodied.

Is anyone else suddenly wondering why "Cid" suddenly started acting like he had a heart attack?  I mean, he was within arms reach of May before he did that, if it was just Aniz acting, then why did he not just make a surprise attack then and then do a big dramatic thing of reaching up and slowly taking off his eye-patch and revealing his wings?

Maybe he was laughing so hard internally, his sides were about to split.

Quote from: Aleolus on May 03, 2007, 11:55:35 AM
Is anyone else suddenly wondering why "Cid" suddenly started acting like he had a heart attack?  I mean, he was within arms reach of May before he did that, if it was just Aniz acting, then why did he not just make a surprise attack then and then do a big dramatic thing of reaching up and slowly taking off his eye-patch and revealing his wings?

One possibility that has been hinted by others was the idea that Aniz has trapped Cid's soul in the eyepatch or some other contrivance and he has somehow been using its personality as a front, a trick also done in Peter F. Hamilton's Night's Dawn trilogy.

"real life doesn't make sense, so why should fiction?" Unknown

Calm down, all will be revealed in time (or not). I can't hate the guy that much, he did take care of them for quite a while.

Abel is having such a bad day. I mean, seriously. It's like 'Of Mice and Men' all over again, except this time, it's interesting.

 :giggle Cute, smart, devious and totally fun! I love this guy!

*edit* Eww... uploading my sig made me see things I dont like... goddamn blue *brb, fixing*

I'm waiting for him to point out the hidden cameras...

I'm getting sick of being right :( But he has indeedy offed poor Cid... the question is when and still the whole dealie with why Abel has cool wings. Abel's face looks a bit, oh God I'm related to THAT?

I want to sick my leming horde on him.

I like this new fellow, but why do so many people seem to know who he is already? He has a bit of style about him, especially with the glorious addition of the cheeky tongue - so gloriously inappropriate.

Quote from: rabid_fox on May 03, 2007, 12:28:24 PM
I like this new fellow, but why do so many people seem to know who he is already? He has a bit of style about him, especially with the glorious addition of the cheeky tongue - so gloriously inappropriate.

I must disagree with you there sir, a lil extra tounge is never "inappropriate".

Quote from: Rythak on May 03, 2007, 12:35:29 PM

Quote from: rabid_fox on May 03, 2007, 12:28:24 PM
I like this new fellow, but why do so many people seem to know who he is already? He has a bit of style about him, especially with the glorious addition of the cheeky tongue - so gloriously inappropriate.

I must disagree with you there sir, a lil extra tounge is never "inappropriate".

Indeed ;)

That not what that nun said...

Though back on topic. I really just want to see Abel go to bed and get some sleep. The poor lad needs it so much, from the morning with Aniz trying to steal his eggs (that low down cur!) to now...and hardly even a bacon sandwich in sight.

His death is a certainty. I hope it will be a horribly painful and slow way to die.

Quote from: Vidar on May 03, 2007, 12:43:42 PM
His death is a certainty. I hope it will be a horribly painful and slow way to die.

Well you aren't any fun.  :<  I hope he lives

Quote from: rabid_fox on May 03, 2007, 12:41:57 PM

That not what that nun said...

Though back on topic. I really just want to see Abel go to bed and get some sleep. The poor lad needs it so much, from the morning with Aniz trying to steal his eggs (that low down cur!) to now...and hardly even a bacon sandwich in sight.

Well, there's cookies in the oven.  Indeed, they're liable to burn if she leaves them in there too long.
Of course, given that she's discovered that her son was nearly killed and is really a monster and her husband is another monster who killed her real husband and has been pretending to be him for the last 25 years and has now just beaten her up, the cookies are probably the least of her worries.

And I'm not passing judgement on Aniz without knowing more about him.

Quote from: Tapewolf on May 03, 2007, 12:47:35 PM

Quote from: rabid_fox on May 03, 2007, 12:41:57 PM

That not what that nun said...

Though back on topic. I really just want to see Abel go to bed and get some sleep. The poor lad needs it so much, from the morning with Aniz trying to steal his eggs (that low down cur!) to now...and hardly even a bacon sandwich in sight.

Well, there's cookies in the oven.  Indeed, they're liable to burn if she leaves them in there too long.
Of course, given that she's discovered that her son was nearly killed and is really a monster and her husband is another monster who killed her real husband and has been pretending to be him for the last 25 years and has now just beaten her up, the cookies are probably the least of her worries.

And I'm not passing judgement on Aniz without knowing more about him.

*bing!*
May: Oh no! I forgot about the cookies! *dashes off to the kitchen*
Aniz: *stares after her* What the :erk --- HEY! I KILLED YOUR HUSBAND AND HAVE BEEN PRETENDING TO BE HIM! DON'T YOU EVEN CARE?
May: *shouts from the kitchen* OH SHUT UP! THE COOKIES MUST NOT BURN! MY PREEEEEECIOUS COOKIES >:3
Abel: Geeze... thanks mom... >.>
Aniz: *wanders into the kitchen* Can I have some? :)
May: Sure!
Abel: Don't mind me, I'll just go throw myself off a cliff like Cindy... >.>
May and Aniz: Ok hunny! Have fun! *munchmunchmunch*

I like it!
EDIT: Exept that hole "Abel: Don't mind me, I'll just go throw myself off a cliff like Cindy... >.>" part. we could do with him just sittin down and havin cookies too no?

Quote from: Rythak on May 03, 2007, 12:56:05 PM
I like it!
EDIT: Exept that hole "Abel: Don't mind me, I'll just go throw myself off a cliff like Cindy... >.>" part. we could do with him just sittin down and havin cookies too no?

Oh come on, someobdy's got to feel all emo-esque :) and Abel happens to be the prefect target... >.>

Huh, funny thing is - when debating this with a friend - I totally thought that Cid was dead and the "father" was the one that killed him.

Why? I haven't really figured out exactly. I keep flip flopping between the fact that he had a chance to be with May, or that he wanted to make cubi babies (and did?) - or something.

Quote from: Moonfrost on May 03, 2007, 01:02:44 PM

Quote from: Rythak on May 03, 2007, 12:56:05 PM
I like it!
EDIT: Exept that hole "Abel: Don't mind me, I'll just go throw myself off a cliff like Cindy... >.>" part. we could do with him just sittin down and havin cookies too no?

Oh come on, someobdy's got to feel all emo-esque :) and Abel happens to be the prefect target... >.>

Well what about that one dude he was with earlier?... oh wait nevermind he is dead. Well what about that guys friend? Hh nevermind he is dead too... Well ya know we could always.... oh crap there all dead!! we don't need anymore dead people! geez spendin 25% of income on bodybags is not a good thing. and also I like abel, he is H-A-W-T!

Wow... so for all it looks, the strange "heart attack" was indeed just show... didn't believe that...

His motives are indeed strage... then again, we don't really know much about how cubi reproduce normally (from the comic at least, I suppose.) So maybe that was a normal kind of game cubi play from time to time if they are in the mood...

Also keep in mind that Cid and May (or at least Cid) weren't just any Beings. They were adventurers and a good part of their buisyness propably dealt with cubi. And I don't think Cid was the least known adventurer either. So it could actually be some twisted kind of revenge either. As in "I won't just kill you or you loved ones, I'll also make sure they'll lose their sanity in the process..."

Quote from: MT Hazard on May 03, 2007, 12:01:15 PM
"real life doesn't make sense, so why should fiction?" - Unknown

"The only difference between real life and fiction is that fiction has to make sense" - Tom Clancy   :P

Quote from: Alondro on May 03, 2007, 08:53:18 AM
*Charline chuckles*  Fur-coloring.  Magic may not hide a clan marking, but simple paint or dye will do the job.

Likely but sounds somehow too simple for DMFA standards - Besides, fur color can wash away and is propably not very shapeshifting compatible either. Then again, I may think too much about this.

Quote from: Moonfrost on May 03, 2007, 12:52:17 PM*bing!*
May: Oh no! I forgot about the cookies! *dashes off to the kitchen*
Aniz: *stares after her* What the erk --- HEY! I KILLED YOUR HUSBAND AND HAVE BEEN PRETENDING TO BE HIM! DON'T YOU EVEN CARE?
May: *shouts from the kitchen* OH SHUT UP! THE COOKIES MUST NOT BURN! MY PREEEEEECIOUS COOKIES evil neko
Abel: Geeze... thanks mom... >.>
Aniz: *wanders into the kitchen* Can I have some? the one true smile
May: Sure!
Abel: Don't mind me, I'll just go throw myself off a cliff like Cindy... >.>
May and Aniz: Ok hunny! Have fun! *munchmunchmunch*

Tehee... That would undoubtly be cool... then again, given the turn of events as they are it seems more likely for me that the cookies catch fire and burn the whole house down... preferrably with May and Hennya trapped inside... in front of Abel's eyes...

Heh, it kinda looks like Abel is finally coming out of shock. It looks like hes kind of angry from what I can see. I don't blame him, if someone broke my mother's nose right infront of me I don't care who they are I'd tear them apart. You just don't do that.  :nono

I agree with the Abel's snapping out of it - but I'm uncertain if May is going to live after this. Aniz already hit her - there's no stopping there...

And by the way that Abel seems to react to people in DMFA current-story - I don't think his family is alive anymore (one way or another)...

I think Abel is just about to rip Aniz's arms off then use them to pin him up on the wall... Theres somethin cookin up in Abel's head, and it's not cookies.

Quote from: Indilee on May 03, 2007, 01:11:07 PM
And by the way that Abel seems to react to people in DMFA current-story - I don't think his family is alive anymore (one way or another)...

If May's a Being we can't expect her to be.  Even if Aniz is alive, Abel might well have broken ties with him.

Well May would undoubtly be dead, either by the hand of time or Aniz. Aniz is probably gonna die, but were not sure. Cid's been dead.

I think when Abel meets with Kria though in the current timeline its gonna be one of those family moments, like him embracing his second motheresque of sorts.  :)

The problem I see with Abel going after Aniz is that Aniz is probably more skilled at fighting if he can keep a farce like this up for so long.

*currently going through Abelstory to look at his arms* So far, they appear to always be bandaged/covered - but the furtone was black - and I'm not sure if cubi can cover/shift their markings?

Quote from: Indilee on May 03, 2007, 01:17:08 PM
The problem I see with Abel going after Aniz is that Aniz is probably more skilled at fighting if he can keep a farce like this up for so long.

*currently going through Abelstory to look at his arms* So far, they appear to always be bandaged/covered - but the furtone was black - and I'm not sure if cubi can cover/shift their markings?

Well yeah... but weird things happen when you have a wall of emotions pushing you on.

Quote from: Rythak on May 03, 2007, 01:18:52 PM

Quote from: Indilee on May 03, 2007, 01:17:08 PM
The problem I see with Abel going after Aniz is that Aniz is probably more skilled at fighting if he can keep a farce like this up for so long.

*currently going through Abelstory to look at his arms* So far, they appear to always be bandaged/covered - but the furtone was black - and I'm not sure if cubi can cover/shift their markings?

Well yeah... but weird things happen when you have a wall of emotions pushing you on.

This is very true. There's been cases of mothers lifting cars off their children and stuff like that. ^_^

Quote from: Indilee on May 03, 2007, 01:20:15 PM

Quote from: Rythak on May 03, 2007, 01:18:52 PM

Quote from: Indilee on May 03, 2007, 01:17:08 PM
The problem I see with Abel going after Aniz is that Aniz is probably more skilled at fighting if he can keep a farce like this up for so long.

*currently going through Abelstory to look at his arms* So far, they appear to always be bandaged/covered - but the furtone was black - and I'm not sure if cubi can cover/shift their markings?

Well yeah... but weird things happen when you have a wall of emotions pushing you on.

This is very true. There's been cases of mothers lifting cars off their children and stuff like that. ^_^

OMG i was gonna edit that into my post then that little "A message has been posted you might wanna review your content" -or whatever came up and theres you stealitg my good idea!!! I shouldnt have wasted my ime trying to find a youtube vid link to footage of this kinda thing happening!

Quote from: Rythak on May 03, 2007, 01:22:20 PM

Quote from: Indilee on May 03, 2007, 01:20:15 PM

Quote from: Rythak on May 03, 2007, 01:18:52 PM

Quote from: Indilee on May 03, 2007, 01:17:08 PM
The problem I see with Abel going after Aniz is that Aniz is probably more skilled at fighting if he can keep a farce like this up for so long.

*currently going through Abelstory to look at his arms* So far, they appear to always be bandaged/covered - but the furtone was black - and I'm not sure if cubi can cover/shift their markings?

Well yeah... but weird things happen when you have a wall of emotions pushing you on.

This is very true. There's been cases of mothers lifting cars off their children and stuff like that. ^_^

OMG i was gonna edit that into my post then that little "A message has been posted you might wanna review your content" -or whatever came up and theres you stealitg my good idea!!! I shouldnt have wasted my ime trying to find a youtube vid link to footage of this kinda thing happening!

Ha ha! Sorry. :)

You know, I suspect Kiraintervention. She's saved Abel once already today.

Quote from: Indilee on May 03, 2007, 01:20:15 PM

Quote from: Rythak on May 03, 2007, 01:18:52 PM

Quote from: Indilee on May 03, 2007, 01:17:08 PM
The problem I see with Abel going after Aniz is that Aniz is probably more skilled at fighting if he can keep a farce like this up for so long.

*currently going through Abelstory to look at his arms* So far, they appear to always be bandaged/covered - but the furtone was black - and I'm not sure if cubi can cover/shift their markings?

Well yeah... but weird things happen when you have a wall of emotions pushing you on.

This is very true. There's been cases of mothers lifting cars off their children and stuff like that. ^_^

Please though. If Amber now is off to pull the old anime "You are threatening my friends. By the power of love, emotion and spiritual jiggawigga, I may now break all laws of logic and all rules the story had established earlier" stunt I'd be very disappointed.

Quote from: rabid_fox on May 03, 2007, 01:27:46 PM

You know, I suspect Kiraintervention. She's saved Abel once already today.

I wouldn't be surprised, actually. She stayed with Devin's body after the fight... And after all - she's gotta get her talisman back from Abel. :D

Quote from: 127.0.0.2 on May 03, 2007, 01:27:53 PM

Quote from: Indilee on May 03, 2007, 01:20:15 PM

Quote from: Rythak on May 03, 2007, 01:18:52 PM

Quote from: Indilee on May 03, 2007, 01:17:08 PM
The problem I see with Abel going after Aniz is that Aniz is probably more skilled at fighting if he can keep a farce like this up for so long.

*currently going through Abelstory to look at his arms* So far, they appear to always be bandaged/covered - but the furtone was black - and I'm not sure if cubi can cover/shift their markings?

Well yeah... but weird things happen when you have a wall of emotions pushing you on.

This is very true. There's been cases of mothers lifting cars off their children and stuff like that. ^_^

Please though. If Amber now is off to pull the old anime "You are threatening my friends. By the power of love, emotion and spiritual jiggawigga, I may now break all laws of logic and all rules the story had established earlier" stunt I'd be very disappointed.

I don't think she'd do that. It doesn't seem like Abel... He might fight - but I don't think he'd win.

Quote from: Rythak on May 03, 2007, 01:18:52 PM
Well yeah... but weird things happen when you have a wall of emotions pushing you on.

Yeah if Abel loses himself to rage I don't think skill would matter much as far as a handicap. With his cubi instinct taking over turning him into a soulless killing machine I think the playing field would level off.

In that scenario Aniz may not have expected this to happen and is somewhat caught off guard, not able to control himself though Abel ends up killing the others after hes had his way with Aniz.

*Blows dust off account.* Man it's been awhile.

Ok, few things I need to say:
Aniz is cool... cool as a villain, but still cool.
And yes, he is focusing most of his attention on May, but please remember he can emotion jam the poor Abel as much as he wants.

As for May's fate... I think that depends on what Cid's fate was, partially. Aniz doesn't care about May, he cares about his son. He needs to reveals himself now because of Abel needing the guidance of an elder Cubi. He can do that with or without May, a decision that will ultimately be left up to May's reaction to his offer when he makes it.

But yeah, Aniz will die eventually. Either by the end of tonight, or at some point in the future at the hands of Dan's father or something. Because we all know it's not enough just to plot twist just once.

Quote from: Xeksue on May 03, 2007, 01:31:11 PM

Quote from: Rythak on May 03, 2007, 01:18:52 PM
Well yeah... but weird things happen when you have a wall of emotions pushing you on.

Yeah if Abel loses himself to rage I don't think skill would matter much as far as a handicap. With his cubi instinct taking over turning him into a soulless killing machine I think the playing field would level off.

In that scenario Aniz may not have expected this to happen and is somewhat caught off guard, not able to control himself though Abel ends up killing the others after hes had his way with Aniz.

I would love that... SOOOOOOOOOO much. 10/10 content imo.

Quote from: NoAI on May 03, 2007, 01:32:21 PM
*Blows dust off account.* Man it's been awhile.

Ok, few things I need to say:
Aniz is cool... cool as a villain, but still cool.
And yes, he is focusing most of his attention on May, but please remember he can emotion jam the poor Abel as much as he wants.

As for May's fate... I think that depends on what Cid's fate was, partially. Aniz doesn't care about May, he cares about his son. He needs to reveals himself now because of Abel needing the guidance of an elder Cubi. He can do that with or without May, a decision that will ultimately be left up to May's reaction to his offer when he makes it.

But yeah, Aniz will die eventually. Either by the end of tonight, or at some point in the future at the hands of Dan's father or something. Because we all know it's not enough just to plot twist just once.

The point about Aniz revealing himself is really valid. I can see that being his reasoning - after all - Abel was born with the wings...

I really do like your idea of Dan's father maybe being the one that takes Aniz out. It would signify the connection that is somehow there...from what we've seen in the DMFA where Abel gets all bent out of shape at that wolf doctor cubi (I forget his name if they mentioned it) about Dan's father.

Quote from: Indilee on May 03, 2007, 01:35:41 PM
*snip*
I really do like your idea of Dan's father maybe being the one that takes Aniz out. It would signify the connection that is somehow there...from what we've seen in the DMFA where Abel gets all bent out of shape at that wolf doctor cubi (I forget his name if they mentioned it) about Dan's father.

Ink is a fox.  :P

You know, I quite like him.

Quote from: Illusionist on May 03, 2007, 01:38:16 PM
You know, I quite like him.

Who?

Quote from: Roureem Egas on May 03, 2007, 01:37:22 PM

Quote from: Indilee on May 03, 2007, 01:35:41 PM
*snip*
I really do like your idea of Dan's father maybe being the one that takes Aniz out. It would signify the connection that is somehow there...from what we've seen in the DMFA where Abel gets all bent out of shape at that wolf doctor cubi (I forget his name if they mentioned it) about Dan's father.

Ink is a fox.  :P

A fox then! XD With a reallllly big needle.

Quote from: NoAI on May 03, 2007, 01:32:21 PM
I really do like your idea of Dan's father maybe being the one that takes Aniz out. It would signify the connection that is somehow there...from what we've seen in the DMFA where Abel gets all bent out of shape at that fox doctor cubi (I forget his name if they mentioned it) about Dan's father.

hmm, intriguing idea indeed... That would actually be a plot twist that brings loose ends together instead of creating more... Would that be an anti-twist? A tsiwt-tolp?

Quote from: Rythak on May 03, 2007, 01:39:05 PM

Quote from: Illusionist on May 03, 2007, 01:38:16 PM
You know, I quite like him.

Who?

New Cid. Aniz.

Quote from: Rythak on May 03, 2007, 01:39:05 PM

Quote from: Illusionist on May 03, 2007, 01:38:16 PM
You know, I quite like him.

Who?

Aniz perhaps? :p

Quote from: 127.0.0.2 on May 03, 2007, 01:41:39 PM

Quote from: Indilee on May 03, 2007, 01:32:21 PM
I really do like your idea of Dan's father maybe being the one that takes Aniz out. It would signify the connection that is somehow there...from what we've seen in the DMFA where Abel gets all bent out of shape at that fox doctor cubi (I forget his name if they mentioned it) about Dan's father.

hmm, intriguing idea indeed... That would actually be a plot twist that brings loose ends together instead of creating more... Would that be an anti-twist? A tsiwt-tolp?

I'm pretty sure it would be a plot twist. Now if it turns out that Aniz faked his own death when, had actually killed Edward Ti'Fiona and taken his place, AND emotion jammed Destania into falling in love with him... that would be a plot twist possible deserving a new name of some sort.

Quote from: 127.0.0.2 on May 03, 2007, 01:41:39 PM

Quote from: NoAI on May 03, 2007, 01:32:21 PM
I really do like your idea of Dan's father maybe being the one that takes Aniz out. It would signify the connection that is somehow there...from what we've seen in the DMFA where Abel gets all bent out of shape at that fox doctor cubi (I forget his name if they mentioned it) about Dan's father.

hmm, intriguing idea indeed... That would actually be a plot twist that brings loose ends together instead of creating more... Would that be an anti-twist? A tsiwt-tolp?

A tsiwt-tolp! I love it.

But it WOULD make sense, wouldn't it? Kind of brings a circular motion of all that has happened and going on... Granted, if it was true, Dan wouldn't know since apparently the dragons have Edward or something (I assume that's the next major plot in the normal DMFA) but we as readers would know... and probably find it really interesting since Dan and Abel are all like grrr-ragh but...then okay with each other? XD Their relationship is different and fun to think about.

It certainly is possible that Aniz could live up to Ed's time and be killed by him, yet its also possible that Abel is grateful to Ed for an entirely different reason.

Quote from: Xeksue on May 03, 2007, 01:55:04 PM
It certainly is possible that Aniz could live up to Ed's time and be killed by him, yet its also possible that Abel is grateful to Ed for an entirely different reason.

Also true.  :mowcookie

Quote from: Xeksue on May 03, 2007, 01:55:04 PM
It certainly is possible that Aniz could live up to Ed's time and be killed by him, yet its also possible that Abel is grateful to Ed for an entirely different reason.

I wish i knew how old Aniz is.

As I have said: ASSHOLE!

I suppose it's possible that Aniz is the same kind of "honest jerk" that Abel is. Abel did beat Dan with a bat during their first meeting, as well as try and take off Pyroduck's head when he thought him to be a threat. Cid was an adventurer, which aside from being a dangerous business, is trying to kill stuff. The logical response to someone trying to kill you is to kill them back first. I would think the last thing on Cid's mind would be his wife, which may be why Aniz knew about her.

His intentions some how revolve around Abel, but we really have no idea how. Guess you need entertainment when you live thousands of years.

It actually fits really well. Lemme get my theory in order, *ahem*...

Abel detests people who shapeshift to assume someone else's identity because of how Aniz has been playing Cid for the past 20+ years.

Amber has said somewhere that Abel is in debt to Edward, but has never actually met Ed. I, for one, think it may be because Edward killed Aniz, and Abel heard about it. Which is why Abel is indirectly indebted to Dan.

Makes alot of sense to me, fits perfectly.

Well its right out the devils pan and into his inferno as it where

Quote from: techmaster-glitch on May 03, 2007, 02:43:21 PM
Amber has said somewhere that Abel is in debt to Edward, but has never actually met Ed.

Well, she's said they've never met.  I don't think she's elaborated on the nature of the relationship between them.  I think Abel owes Edward - from the available data and reactions - but we don't know that 100%.

Is Dan's dad dead or have I just not noticed him?

He's being held in stasis atm by a dragon/group of dragons.

Apparently, the Dragons have him. Why, and for what purpose, is unclear.

I hope he is as hot and young as Abel's dad! omg.

Quote from: Manawolf on May 03, 2007, 02:13:06 PM
As I have said: ASSHOLE!

Yes. What's not to love? And he keeps getting more handsome by the page as well. One does see some family streaks, yes.

And while you may be right about the "killing back" part of that statement, stiletto... Impersonating a guy and having his wife bear your child just for the sake of revenge is not "eye for an eye", so to speak. It is serious assholery and sinistry. And what makes me like Aniz even more.

Aniz... He might a giant a$$h*l@ and all but at least he's a cute a$$h*l@

Quote from: NoAI on May 03, 2007, 01:32:21 PM
As for May's fate... I think that depends on what Cid's fate was, partially. Aniz doesn't care about May, he cares about his son. He needs to reveals himself now because of Abel needing the guidance of an elder Cubi. He can do that with or without May, a decision that will ultimately be left up to May's reaction to his offer when he makes it.

*flash of evil* So reveal self as Cubi, and keep May locked up in the house as a bargaining chip in order to keep Abel in line / from getting help while educating him in the apparent ways of evil?

If May's not a being (and I'm really hoping she isn't at this point), that plan won't work...

Wild Speculation: "Dan is apparently extremely talented at DDR. Perhaps the greatest DDR player on the planet at the moment, or atleast Lost Lake. Dan's father though, is the greatest DDR master ever. He's so good that not even the dragons can beat him and have him in stasis trying to extract his greatness somehow so they can best him and still maintain omnipotence, since if someone can beat them at something they can't claim to be all powerful and live up as religious icons.  >:3

Now assuming Abel loses control of himself and kills everyone in blinding rage, chances are his sanity will finally snap(for awhile atleast.). Abel is locked in a padded room for a good 370 or 380 years or so until Ed's time, and through the power of Ed's extreme DDR skills that occured at a competition at some point in time, with a TV next to Abel's window on the door of his room, Abel finally realizes that he can't nearly be insane as Ed is for having such mad skills, conveniently Ed's opponent is a dragon who he destroys in the competition, which sets up the plot for why Ed gets kidnapped, because the dragons want to harness Ed's power of DDR. This would explain why Abel is grateful to Ed because Ed's display of awesomeness brought back Abel's sanity."

Yeah......it could happen.  :mwaha

Of all the conspiracy theories I've ever heard, that is second only to the "Barabbus was a werewolf" one.

Where there is an asshole, there must be a dick to **** it.  May Edward be that dick.

Quote from: Zaon on May 03, 2007, 03:36:17 PM
Aniz... He might a giant a$$h*l@ and all but at least he's a cute a$$h*l@

he might be cute, but he's still a giant a$$h*l@.

Quote from: rabid_fox on May 03, 2007, 03:50:17 PM

Of all the conspiracy theories I've ever heard, that is second only to the "Barabbus was a werewolf" one.

What's this, now?  Never heard of that one.

Quote from: Manawolf on May 03, 2007, 04:23:14 PM
Where there is an asshole, there must be a dick to **** it.  May Edward be that dick.

I thought you were against that sort of ****. True, under the right circumstances, that sort of ****ing might serve a purpose even to ****s who don't like that. But if you think that it's all about the ****er and the ****ee, then you're not ****ing really considering the **** itself, and **** ****ing **** **** ****...

Ahem. Serves no point. And Barabbas was a werewolf. And Jesus was a ninja... :shifty

For explanation, see Team America.

Quote from: Stygian on May 03, 2007, 04:57:29 PM
I thought you were against that sort of ****. True, under the right circumstances, that sort of ****ing might serve a purpose even to ****s who don't like that. But if you think that it's all about the ****er and the ****ee, then you're not ****ing really considering the **** itself, and **** ****ing **** **** ****...

Ahem. Serves no point. And Barabbas was a werewolf. And Jesus was a ninja... :shifty

The hell is wrong with your font?  :blankstare

Italics denote alterations from original scripture.

****


At that time they had a notorious werewolf, called Barabbas. So when the crowd had gathered, Pilate asked them, "Which one do you want me to release to you: Barabbas, or Jesus who is called Christ?" For he knew it was out of envy that they had handed Jesus over to him.

While Pilate was sitting on the judge's seat, his wife sent him this message: "Don't have anything to do with that innocent man, for I have suffered a great deal today in a dream because of him."

But the chief priests and the elders persuaded the crowd to ask for Barabbas and to have Jesus executed.

"Which of the two do you want me to release to you?" asked the governor.
"Barabbas," they answered.

"What shall I do, then, with Jesus who is called Christ?" Pilate asked.
They all answered, "Crucify him!"

"Why? What crime has he committed?" asked Pilate.
But they shouted all the louder, "Crucify him!"

When Pilate saw that he was getting nowhere, but that instead an uproar was starting, he took water and washed his hands in front of the crowd. "I am innocent of this man's blood," he said. "It is your responsibility!"

All the people answered, "Let his blood be on us and on our children!"

Then he released Barabbas to them. Barabbus, slavering and hungry from his captivity, leapt from his cage, howled at the moon and did set upon the chief priests and the elders. There was much carnage as Barabbus the Werewolf pounced random members of the mob and did eat their hearts, for their hearts were full of hatred. Pilate raised his hands to the sky and did say, "Barabbus, heel!" and Barabbus did return to him, where he received a doggy treat.

To the survivors of the massacre Pilate did say, "Shall I NOW release the Jesus you call Christ?"

"Oh lark in the morning, yes," the crowd did say.

But he had Jesus flogged, and handed him over to be crucified. Cause he was like that.

O.o so like shall we go back on topic to the comic?

Sorry, sorry. I got asked about that conspiracy theory.

Anyway, yeah, the comic itself. I remember when Abel's story started I wasn't particularly interested. Devin made that strip for me. Now I can't wait to see what happens next. Well done, that Amber - she knows how to sock it to a wide range of audiences with her delivery of ideas.

Quote from: rabid_fox on May 03, 2007, 05:10:30 PM
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[following removed, because I don't want to waste that much space, and it's only a couple of posts up, anyway.]

Ah, never heard that one before.  Interesting.

I almost don't know whether to be offended or horribly amused.  I'll choose the latter, because I just can't help it... and there's no point being offended at a horribly amusing conspiracy theory.

Anyway... back on topic, shall we?

I have nothing left to say.  I already said it all. :deadhorse

Doggy treat. Heh.

Barabbas must be Azlan?

Now there's a conspiracy worthy of a thread on Abel's Story.

Wait, I'm lost.
How in the seven worlds can Azlan be Barabbas?

Perhaps he can simply be Barbacoa.

Delicious.

Abel can be Jospeh. The Amazing Techniangstied DreamCubi.

O.O
Ya' know, ya'll are reffering to names I never even heard of (though I know who Azlan is...)

Stop confusing the newbs.

I only joined yesterday! But then...I do have a BA (hons) in English, so I'm very good at faking that I know what I'm on about.

Oh. About this. My sister texted me to go "What the HELL?" when the Cid/Azin transformation took place. We're geeks!

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Quote from: 127.0.0.2 on May 03, 2007, 01:41:39 PM

Quote from: Indilee on May 03, 2007, 01:32:21 PM
I really do like your idea of Dan's father maybe being the one that takes Aniz out. It would signify the connection that is somehow there...from what we've seen in the DMFA where Abel gets all bent out of shape at that fox doctor cubi (I forget his name if they mentioned it) about Dan's father.

hmm, intriguing idea indeed... That would actually be a plot twist that brings loose ends together instead of creating more... Would that be an anti-twist? A tsiwt-tolp?

I'm pretty sure it would be a plot twist. Now if it turns out that Aniz faked his own death when, had actually killed Edward Ti'Fiona and taken his place, AND emotion jammed Destania into falling in love with him... that would be a plot twist possible deserving a new name of some sort.

I think Aniz has better things to kill someone and take over their boring life just so they can do something that would've been unpredictable.

Three more pages!  That'll teach me to leave the house.

Quote from: rabid_fox on May 03, 2007, 12:41:57 PMThough back on topic. I really just want to see Abel go to bed and get some sleep. The poor lad needs it so much, from the morning with Aniz trying to steal his eggs (that low down cur!) to now...and hardly even a bacon sandwich in sight.

That was probably a week ago.  Remember, her funeral was on Friday.

Quote from: rabid_fox on May 03, 2007, 12:16:46 PMAbel is having such a bad day. I mean, seriously. It's like 'Of Mice and Men' all over again, except this time, it's interesting.

1.) Of Mice and Men *was* interesting.
2.) I don't think Aniz is going to find Abel down by the river and...oh, read the story.

Quote from: Karu Dragon on May 03, 2007, 12:27:35 PMAbel's face looks a bit, oh God I'm related to THAT?

More a sort of ``I'm envisioning your death.''

Quote from: Moonfrost on May 03, 2007, 12:52:17 PMMay: Oh no! I forgot about the cookies! *dashes off to the kitchen*
Aniz: *stares after her* What the :erk --- HEY! I KILLED YOUR HUSBAND AND HAVE BEEN PRETENDING TO BE HIM! DON'T YOU EVEN CARE?
May: *shouts from the kitchen* OH SHUT UP! THE COOKIES MUST NOT BURN! MY PREEEEEECIOUS COOKIES >:3
Abel: Geeze... thanks mom... >.>

BM: When I was Hell King, we'd feast on the souls of gluttons.
Mrs. vV:Well, I like to put a touch of chili powder in the meat. (http://www.nuklearpower.com/daily.php?date=040330)

Quote from: NoAI on May 03, 2007, 01:32:21 PMAs for May's fate... I think that depends on what Cid's fate was, partially. Aniz doesn't care about May, he cares about his son. He needs to reveals himself now because of Abel needing the guidance of an elder Cubi. He can do that with or without May, a decision that will ultimately be left up to May's reaction to his offer when he makes it.

I'll ask it again: *Why* didn't he do that immediately after Abel was born with wings?

Quote from: Jigsaw Forte on May 03, 2007, 03:36:33 PM*flash of evil* So reveal self as Cubi, and keep May locked up in the house as a bargaining chip in order to keep Abel in line / from getting help while educating him in the apparent ways of evil?

That's potentially very difficult, bordering on impossible.  Hennya likes May, and she'd go straight to the police.  If Aniz kills Hennya, Ahnora will get concerned, and seek out the Rewanzs.  If Aniz kills Ahnora, I think the town would start to notice.

Plus, Kria is coming by today, and apparently it's not unheard of for her to drop by for some tea with May.

And remember--this is a creature city, so I'm sure that the town guard (composed of creatures) could defeat any single creature--even up to someone like Fa'Lina, if they went one-to-ENTIRE CITY GUARD.

Quote from: Aridas Soulfire on May 03, 2007, 06:24:11 PMI think Aniz has better things to kill someone and take over their boring life just so they can do something that would've been unpredictable.

Apparently not.

*looks under the Cast page under Abel*

Need to replace "Unknown" with "May (Mother), Aniz (Father, under guise of Cid).

Of course, what now needs to be explained is why Aniz was so against going back towards the Demons and such... well, actually, that's easy, they could probably see the illusion.

And this is definitely the reason why Abel hates shifters.

Quote from: techmaster-glitch on May 03, 2007, 02:43:21 PM
Abel detests people who shapeshift to assume someone else's identity because of how Aniz has been playing Cid for the past 20+ years.

We don't know how many years it's been since Aniz killed Cid.  Abel may very well have been concieved when Cid was still alive.  Aniz may stalked her and impersonated Cid before his death.  I'm sure sleeping with May while Cid was still alive wouldn't have been beyond him.

How ever many years it has been, I am sure it's all very precise and masterful, a true example of a person who has complete control over the craft.

Quote from: Rafe on May 03, 2007, 07:05:44 PMWe don't know how many years it's been since Aniz killed Cid.  Abel may very well have been concieved when Cid was still alive.  Aniz may stalked her and impersonated Cid before his death.  I'm sure sleeping with May while Cid was still alive wouldn't have been beyond him.

I can't see Aniz having any desire to keep that up for even two years.  But I've said that before.

But what I haven't said before is that it's possible that Cid and Aniz were related.  Again, it makes little sense, but if Aniz killed his brother (...!  Just like Cain slew Abel) and Cid's dying request was that he take care of his son until cuberty...

...and, er, Aniz had familial loyalty enough to care for his nephew, but not enough to prevent him from killing his brother...

OK, so it doesn't make much sense.  But it still makes more sense than ``Aniz killed Cid several years ago.''

I say Aniz was deceiving them for the heck of it. I mean, screwing with people is great fun. I dunno if it was just me, but he made perfect sense.

I was most surprised that some were right so consistently. It's amazing.

Quote from: superluser on May 03, 2007, 07:29:48 PM

Quote from: Rafe on May 03, 2007, 07:05:44 PMWe don't know how many years it's been since Aniz killed Cid.  Abel may very well have been concieved when Cid was still alive.  Aniz may stalked her and impersonated Cid before his death.  I'm sure sleeping with May while Cid was still alive wouldn't have been beyond him.

I can't see Aniz having any desire to keep that up for even two years.  But I've said that before.

But what I haven't said before is that it's possible that Cid and Aniz were related.  Again, it makes little sense, but if Aniz killed his brother (...!  Just like Cain slew Abel) and Cid's dying request was that he take care of his son until cuberty...

...and, er, Aniz had familial loyalty enough to care for his nephew, but not enough to prevent him from killing his brother...

OK, so it doesn't make much sense.  But it still makes more sense than ``Aniz killed Cid several years ago.''

Very good prediction as I'm starting to think that as well. I mean, abel's wings just dont match up with his fathers one bit. Look at dan and his mother's wings, they match up exactly. I think Cid was a cubi and aniz killed em. But then again, perhaps aniz THOUGHT he killed cid and maybe that is who will bust through that door and stop him.

You mean like Spy vs. Spy? But with Cubis?  >:3

Quote from: Xeksue on May 03, 2007, 07:45:32 PM
You mean like Spy vs. Spy? But with Cubis?  >:3

oh wouldn't that just be fun hehehee. Aniz laughing and all of a sudden he gets hit with a dagger in the back by Cid.

Quote from: HeroZero on May 03, 2007, 07:41:35 PM
Double post. Can someone nuke this post?

Stand back, please.

Very far back.

Quote from: Netami on May 03, 2007, 07:51:01 PM

Quote from: HeroZero on May 03, 2007, 07:41:35 PM
Double post. Can someone nuke this post?

Stand back, please.

Very far back.

If I stand near it's crater, will I get superpowers?


I just realized something; how is it that Aniz's clan marking is on his forearm while Abel's is on his back? It's most likely random, isn't it?

Quote from: HeroZero on May 03, 2007, 07:56:25 PM

Quote from: Netami on May 03, 2007, 07:51:01 PM

Quote from: HeroZero on May 03, 2007, 07:41:35 PM
Double post. Can someone nuke this post?

Stand back, please.

Very far back.

If I stand near it's crater, will I get superpowers?


I just realized something; how is it that Aniz's clan marking is on his forearm while Abel's is on his back? It's most likely random, isn't it?

yeah the markings origin is random.

Man, you will be able to turn into dust at a very quick rate!  :hug

Quote from: Netami on May 03, 2007, 08:00:24 PM
Man, you will be able to turn into dust at a very quick rate!  :hug

Hm. This is extending into a horrible drag of obviousness and offtopicness. I wonder where Haz is? There's something that hasn't been done for a while.

Quote from: multani82 on May 03, 2007, 07:59:28 PMyeah the markings origin is random.

I don't know about *random*.  Maybe it's determined by some other gene carried by both beings and creatures.  Achilles was invulnerable everywhere but his heel, because that's where his mother held him when he was dipped into the Styx.  Maybe it works like that, like the first patch of fur that gets completely dry after birth, or something.  Maybe it grows where your magic comes from, and depending on what type of magic you use, it could grow in different places.

I don't think we know if it's random.

Quote from: Rafe on May 03, 2007, 07:05:44 PM

Quote from: techmaster-glitch on May 03, 2007, 02:43:21 PM
Abel detests people who shapeshift to assume someone else's identity because of how Aniz has been playing Cid for the past 20+ years.

We don't know how many years it's been since Aniz killed Cid.  Abel may very well have been concieved when Cid was still alive.  Aniz may stalked her and impersonated Cid before his death.  I'm sure sleeping with May while Cid was still alive wouldn't have been beyond him.

I am speculating that Aniz fathered Able and left him to Cid and May, but came though Zinvth some time later, spotted May/Cid/Able  Thought  "Hey this could me fun!"  Tracked down/Killed Cid and took his place Then... Tho..

If "Cid" was really Aniz for the 20+ years of Able's life, that would explain why he so easily accepted moving to Zinvth to begin with...

Quote from: NoAI on May 03, 2007, 01:32:21 PMAniz doesn't care about May, he cares about his son.

...which would explain why he stayed around for 24 years, pretending to be Cid Rewanz.

Quote from: NoAI on May 03, 2007, 01:32:21 PMHe needs to reveals himself now because of Abel needing the guidance of an elder Cubi.

Again, that makes perfect sense.


I'm going to take back my, "Waiting around 24 years to eat May," prediction.  I'm now wondering if Aniz even cares that May is there anymore.  His main motivation, at this point, is helping his son.  Hurting his son's mother and friend isn't exactly conducive to that now, is it? :mowtongue

Quote from: candide on May 03, 2007, 09:15:28 PM

Quote from: NoAI on May 03, 2007, 01:32:21 PMAniz doesn't care about May, he cares about his son.

...which would explain why he stayed around for 24 years, pretending to be Cid Rewanz.

No, it doesn't.  If I were Aniz, I'd kill May on the day that my son was born with wings, and trot him off to start his training.

Quote from: superluser on May 03, 2007, 09:31:52 PM

Quote from: candide on May 03, 2007, 09:15:28 PM

Quote from: NoAI on May 03, 2007, 01:32:21 PMAniz doesn't care about May, he cares about his son.

...which would explain why he stayed around for 24 years, pretending to be Cid Rewanz.

No, it doesn't.  If I were Aniz, I'd kill May on the day that my son was born with wings, and trot him off to start his training.

Hate to say it but me too..

However..given that I am female, I could kill the father off as soon as I got pregnant :bat

The vague possibility just occurred to me while looking at the comic again just now, that perhaps Aniz just whacked May to hold her long enough for him to remove his costume impliments.

No, on second thought, that doesn't make much sense, does it?  Wing tentacles, and everything... though it's probably easier to deal with a crowd who's in shock because you just hit one of them than a crowd who thinks you're some sort of monster because you're going Great Cthulu all over them.

Quote from: Xeksue on May 03, 2007, 01:09:11 PM
Heh, it kinda looks like Abel is finally coming out of shock. It looks like hes kind of angry from what I can see. I don't blame him, if someone broke my mother's nose right infront of me I don't care who they are I'd tear them apart. You just don't do that.  :nono

I wouldn't need to act if someone tried to break my mom's nose. She'd rip out their spleen and shove it so far up their posterior that it would come out their ears... and that's just what she'd do for starters.

Me, I'd be laughing at the poor unlucky bastard my mom's taking apart.

-Nar

Quote from: superluser on May 03, 2007, 06:53:44 PM

Quote from: NoAI on May 03, 2007, 01:32:21 PMAs for May's fate... I think that depends on what Cid's fate was, partially. Aniz doesn't care about May, he cares about his son. He needs to reveals himself now because of Abel needing the guidance of an elder Cubi. He can do that with or without May, a decision that will ultimately be left up to May's reaction to his offer when he makes it.

I'll ask it again: *Why* didn't he do that immediately after Abel was born with wings?

Quick Answer: Have you tried being a single father?

Long Answer: May, as seen, is an emotional person. She is very prone to over reacting on certain issues. There is a strong chance if Aniz bothered to ask as soon as Abel was born, May would have said no. Aniz didn't want to chance this, so he posed as Cid for a few years instead. Now that Abel is all grown up and in the crisis point of discovering he's a cubi, this is the perfect time to reveal who he is to Able, and therefore the perfect time to give May her choice.

Remember, Abel/Aniz's clan is so small it's not even considered a proper clan. While we won't know for sure until he reveals it, it's possible that having a son is a very important thing to Aniz. Probably not in a redeeming sort of way, but still...

Quote from: Narethlian on May 03, 2007, 11:17:01 PM
Me, I'd be laughing at the poor unlucky bastard my mom's taking apart.

-Nar

Heh, let me put it this way. For me it'd be a race of who could get a hold of them/him first. Heck even the threat of malicious action would probably send me over the edge.

On account of Aniz' actions ever since he walked in the door (i.e., implying May cheated on him, faking a heart attack, and now all of THIS) I think I can summarize the current state of every DMFA reader in one smiley:

:confused  CONFUSED.

We will have to wait for more comics that will explain his motives, cuz right now he's making no sense whatsoever.

Quote from: NoAI on May 03, 2007, 11:21:26 PM

Quote from: superluser on May 03, 2007, 06:53:44 PMI'll ask it again: *Why* didn't he do that immediately after Abel was born with wings?

Quick Answer: Have you tried being a single father?

Long Answer: May, as seen, is an emotional person. She is very prone to over reacting on certain issues. There is a strong chance if Aniz bothered to ask as soon as Abel was born, May would have said no. Aniz didn't want to chance this, so he posed as Cid for a few years instead. Now that Abel is all grown up and in the crisis point of discovering he's a cubi, this is the perfect time to reveal who he is to Able, and therefore the perfect time to give May her choice.

Remember, Abel/Aniz's clan is so small it's not even considered a proper clan. While we won't know for sure until he reveals it, it's possible that having a son is a very important thing to Aniz. Probably not in a redeeming sort of way, but still...

May is not going to let Aniz take Abel away--at least not while she still breathes.  As for raising Abel, unless he's trying to work outside of SAIA for some reason, he could probably ask one of them for help, and they'd probably help him.  He also had Zinvth, who would help him.  He might have to leave May alive to garner any sympathy, but they'd probably help him out.

No wonder he could hide it. he probably bought long sleeved clothes and stuff like that to hide it...man I hte that guy....grr ok will someone tell me how to get permission for out of character rping?!  T_T  I can't stand not having my other sides out like usual.

Quote from: techmaster-glitch on May 04, 2007, 12:20:33 AM
On account of Aniz' actions ever since he walked in the door (i.e., implying May cheated on him, faking a heart attack, and now all of THIS) I think I can summarize the current state of every DMFA reader in one smiley:
CONFUSED.

Judging from the Dark Doctor's lines when he's giving Dan his results, it would seem that 'Cubi often have several primary emotions - some inherited as a clan trait (pain for Dan) and others which are unique to the individual (for Dan, justice etc).

We don't know if Abel's affinity for confusion is inherited or individual.

The idea stuck me a while back that the cubi may be a purposely created (or controlled) race why else would they have a mark that stopped them from completely hiding their identity? Its a purpose built weakness I tell you.

Quote from: MT Hazard on May 04, 2007, 04:42:00 AM
The idea stuck me a while back that the cubi may be a purposely created (or controlled) race why else would they have a mark that stopped them from completely hiding their identity? Its a purpose built weakness I tell you.

well they should have a weakness. We're talking about a race of creatures here that have the ability to use both light magic and dark magic, can live potentially longer than a demon or angel, and have FABULOUS fashion statments  :3.

And now, a clip of my spoken reaction:

"*GASP!* OH, that B******'s gonna die! .... But he is hot."

Seriously, I wanna slaughter Aniz right now. And glomp him. At the same time.

Slaughaglomp.

Quote from: rabid_fox on May 04, 2007, 01:25:14 PM

Slaughaglomp.

XD It's the ultimate love-hate relationship.

Quote from: Black_angel on May 04, 2007, 01:27:05 PM

Quote from: rabid_fox on May 04, 2007, 01:25:14 PM

Slaughaglomp.

XD It's the ultimate love-hate relationship.

You should hear my storys then,you see my chars nobble history is a crazy one

Quote from: Doraion on May 04, 2007, 04:09:16 AM
(snip) grr ok will someone tell me how to get permission for out of character rping?!  T_T  I can't stand not having my other sides out like usual.

Unless there is something about "out of character role playing" that I don't understand, which is probably so, ^_^; there is always the  Haunted Ballroom (http://clockworkmansion.com/forum/index.php?board=12.0).

With regards,
Ted

I believe you either RP there or no where on these forums. Speculation of course, but when they made the move to this forum, the native inhabitants didn't like the idea of furries just yiffing it up all the time with their strange emotes. The only exception is Charles because he's been doing it the longest and we just sort of tune it out. Many other exceptions apply, generally having to do with how long you've been around and how little an annoyance your RP emote is.

Just... don't, really. Use emoticons!  :U

PM the admins.  State your case.  We'll discuss and let you know.  I would suggest not PMing Amber though, as sometimes she forgets to let us know about things.

Quote from: Damaris on May 04, 2007, 05:29:39 PM
PM the admins.  State your case.  We'll discuss and let you know.  I would suggest not PMing Amber though, as sometimes she forgets to let us know about things.

This is probably less to do with her forgetting, and more to do with her being busy making the comic...


... Some of us have no lives, but Amber isn't one of them. ;-]

Quote from: Tapewolf on May 04, 2007, 04:22:05 AM
Judging from the Dark Doctor's lines when he's giving Dan his results, it would seem that 'Cubi often have several primary emotions - some inherited as a clan trait (pain for Dan) and others which are unique to the individual (for Dan, justice etc).

We don't know if Abel's affinity for confusion is inherited or individual.

Uh, I wasn't actually talking about that, I was just saying that thus far, Aniz' actions have made no sense to US whatsoever, and until Amber gets to the part where she has a good explanation for his motivation, (unless Aniz really IS just a criminally insane asshole) WE are all confused. Though that is a good point, Aniz might feed off of confusion like Abel, or he might not. If he does, then the characters must be many times more confused than we are, because they are the ones that all this is happening to.

Been a while since I posted, but I'll share my thoughts.

First, Aniz said that Cid was dead for a very long time, yet he played Cid's role incredibly convincing, able to fool May all these years.  I wonder the heartattack scene was a demonstration of a cubi eating a soul to increase his/her own power?  Could have have just taken Cid's soul into his own body, morphed himself to look like Cid, and let Cid's soul run things while Aniz hid in the background of his own mind the whole time?  Abel is more gifted, psionics wise, then the average cubi, that could be a clan trait.  If that's the case, then Abel is not a bastard, because Cid was riding in Aniz's body throughout the entire time.  Abel just didn't get any of Cid's genetics.  That would be a very devious reality indeed.

Second, What's going to happen now?  That's anyone's guess.  He somehow has to fall under Fa'Lina's custody and move to SAIA.  I think a few more pages need to be revealed before guessing how that will come to play out.  The very first page, with Abel and the cookie in the spotlight, reminds me of the cookies Fa'Lina gave Dan at the Academy.  Cookies may very well be a 'welcome present', so the comic could very well end with the first page, after Fa'Lina welcomes him to the academy.

Third, there is still a striking resembelence between Cid/Aniz and Edward.  If Aniz is in the business of making cubibabies to restore his dwindling clan, then it's possible he could have done this game over again, and again, and again, before, and after the Abel story.  By present time, it's safe to say that Aniz has no problems posing as an adventurer.  Seeing another Cubi (Destinia) in trouble, especially one in a high and mighty clan as Dan's bio states, could have been an opportunity to garner favor with Cyra Clan, or perhaps another opportunity to have trueborn cubi with.  Dan could very well be a full-blooded Cubi and Abel is the half breed!  It would be interesting to hear from Amber how a cubi's clan gets decided when the parents belong to two different clans.  Does the maternal side always win, or is it a cosmic dice roll?  *steals Falina's cubi breeding charts*

If Aniz is Edward, then it'd be interesting to know if Destinia knows.  Aniz could be playing a very dangerous game if she doesn't know.  And it would be ironic that Abel would feel like he owes a debt to a character that his own father is pretending to be.

As for the dragons that have Edward, if he is Aniz, then it's likely they don't know what they got, otherwise he probably would be in worse condition then just in statis.

Anyways, just some ideas that come to mind.

Just a side note, I'm suprised Abel didn't even turn green at the sight of his mom's innocent blood getting spilled. (Cue in Ghost Rider)

Quote from: llearch n'n'daCorna on May 04, 2007, 05:52:38 PM
... Some of us have no lives, but Amber isn't one of them. ;-]

Says who?

Quote from: Shadowcatcher on May 04, 2007, 06:16:43 PM
Just a side note, I'm suprised Abel didn't even turn green at the sight of his mom's innocent blood getting spilled. (Cue in Ghost Rider)

Hey, you're right! Abel has miraculously been temporarily cured of his hemophobia!

PLOT HOLE, AMBER! :raspberry

Quote from: Shadowcatcher on May 04, 2007, 06:16:43 PM
Been a while since I posted, but I'll share my thoughts.
[skipping the boring parts]
If Aniz is Edward
[skipping the rest of the boring parts]

Haven't we been told pretty clearly that Aniz and Edward are different bei-err...crea-err... furries?  At very least, I'd think if Edward was another Aniz disguise, Amber would not have outright told us, "Abel has never met Edward...":deadhorse

Quote from: Fuyudenki on May 04, 2007, 06:41:24 PM
Haven't we been told pretty clearly that Aniz and Edward are different bei-err...crea-err... furries?  At very least, I'd think if Edward was another Aniz disguise, Amber would not have outright told us, "Abel has never met Edward...":deadhorse

Show me the proof.  And do not deadhorse me, please.

Quote from: Shadowcatcher on May 04, 2007, 06:16:43 PMFirst, Aniz said that Cid was dead for a very long time, yet he played Cid's role incredibly convincing, able to fool May all these years.  I wonder the heartattack scene was a demonstration of a cubi eating a soul to increase his/her own power?  Could have have just taken Cid's soul into his own body, morphed himself to look like Cid, and let Cid's soul run things while Aniz hid in the background of his own mind the whole time?

Huh?

If some creature stole my soul, the first thing I'd do is start screaming, ``Help!  Help!  An incubus has stolen my soul and placed it in his body to devour later!  Don't trust me--check me out and make sure I'm not an incubus!  Which I am!  Help!''

You say that Cid wouldn't notice it?  Have you ever seen the Sixth Day?  Were you surprised by the `twist' ending, or were you yelling, ``That was supposed to be a `twist?'  How dumb is Schwarzenegger's character supposed to be?''  I don't think that Cid was as dumb as that guy.

Quote from: Shadowcatcher on May 04, 2007, 06:16:43 PMIf Aniz is in the business of making cubibabies to restore his dwindling clan,

then he probably wouldn't make it with someone from a more powerful clan, since the child would probably not belong to his clan.

Quote from: Shadowcatcher on May 04, 2007, 06:16:43 PMDoes the maternal side always win, or is it a cosmic dice roll?

``Huh.  This guy's clan marking is a six-sided star.''

Quote from: Shadowcatcher on May 04, 2007, 06:16:43 PMJust a side note, I'm suprised Abel didn't even turn green at the sight of his mom's innocent blood getting spilled.

Or Devin's blood.  But Devin's blood makes sense, since he was squatting with his legs crossed, which would increase blood pressure and help avoid the syncope.  In 84, however, Abel appears to be standing.

I think I have a theory on the Aniz and Abel and it all involves with Devin.

Point 1: The Back story of Devin started in www.missmab.com/Comics/Abel50.jpg The shadowy figure that left his wife when Devin was a baby I think that was Aniz for sure.

Point 2: when Devin saw Abel same age as him in www.mismab.com/Comics/Abel52.jpg there is a correlation to the fact that Aniz has two families one with Devin and one with May at the same time.

Noticed the ages of Devin and Abel both the same but in Devin case he did not become an Incubus which Abel did later on.

That's why Aniz somehow knew that Devin was not going to be the Incubus as him no clan marking and such but I have a feeling that Aniz maybe had a special power that could figure out which of his children willl carry his bloodline.

That's why he left Devin's mom to continue to shape Abel into his image knowing that he carries the bloodline in him.

That's why he mentioned that he killed Cid maybe he did it after they were married and took over in his life and at the same time continue to masquerade as the husband for Devin's mom until her use is no loneger necessary and left her for May which he thought it will be useful for him.

No. Just no.

DIE ANIZ!!!

*Jumps into the comic and goes Chuck Norris on him*

DON'T YOU DARE MESS WITH ABEL ANYMORE!!! >:(

(I am very upset, but go Amber!)

Quote from: superluser on May 04, 2007, 07:09:46 PM
Huh?

If some creature stole my soul, the first thing I'd do is start screaming, ``Help!  Help!  An incubus has stolen my soul and placed it in his body to devour later!  Don't trust me--check me out and make sure I'm not an incubus!  Which I am!  Help!''

You say that Cid wouldn't notice it?  Have you ever seen the Sixth Day?  Were you surprised by the `twist' ending, or were you yelling, ``That was supposed to be a `twist?'  How dumb is Schwarzenegger's character supposed to be?''  I don't think that Cid was as dumb as that guy.

Save your hostility for Aniz, not me.  As for Cid not noticing it, you have NO information on the circumstances in which Cid died.  Aniz could have caught the adventurer in his sleep.  He wouldn't know any better in that scenario, would he?

And no, I haven't seen Sixth Day, I don't waste my time with Arnie movies anymore.  

Quote from: superluser on May 04, 2007, 07:09:46 PM
then he probably wouldn't make it with someone from a more powerful clan, since the child would probably not belong to his clan.

Desparate men do desparate, and often stupid things.  Until we know about Aniz' true character I say nothing's off the table.

Quote from: superluser on May 04, 2007, 07:09:46 PM

Quote from: Shadowcatcher on May 04, 2007, 06:16:43 PMDoes the maternal side always win, or is it a cosmic dice roll?

``Huh.  This guy's clan marking is a six-sided star.''

And Dan's marking has yet to manifest.  Wouldn't it be plot twist if Abel's clan marker turned up instead of Cyra's marker?  Yes, I know that's a stretch, because his wing-tentacles have the hallmark's of Cyra's clan, AND has Cyra's clan's affinity for pain, but that is still a possibility until Amber releases the comic strip where it finally shows up.  What if all Dan inherits is his mom's physical traits?  Abel sure didn't inherit much of his father's cubi traits, wing structure and what not.

Quote from: superluser on May 04, 2007, 07:09:46 PM

Quote from: Shadowcatcher on May 04, 2007, 06:16:43 PMJust a side note, I'm suprised Abel didn't even turn green at the sight of his mom's innocent blood getting spilled.

Or Devin's blood.  But Devin's blood makes sense, since he was squatting with his legs crossed, which would increase blood pressure and help avoid the syncope.  In 84, however, Abel appears to be standing.

Maybe Abel's empty, who can say.  He certainly wasn't doing anything more then cringing behind the wagon wasn't he?

ShiningShadow made a good statement.  We don't know how old Devin is, the possibility that Aniz is his dad is still there.  With adventurers gone for months at a time, leaving their spouses alone, there is plenty of opportunity for the enterprising horny incubus to do his dirtywork.

Clarification.  When I said we don't know how old Devin is, I meant how much older he was then Abel.

Quote from: Aridas Soulfire on May 04, 2007, 07:21:13 PM
No. Just no.

Aridas just think about it the advertering many times away from May and Devin mom.

There is a pattern to it how could he spend so much time with both of them with the lie of going on a adventure that has to fit in this theory or you have soemthing else that this is wrong on any count.

I ask you just tell me the reason why this theory is flawed?

Quote from: ShiningShadow on May 04, 2007, 07:34:20 PM

Quote from: Aridas Soulfire on May 04, 2007, 07:21:13 PM
No. Just no.

Aridas just think about it the advertering many times away from May and Devin mom.

There is a pattern to it how could he spend so much time with both of them with the lie of going on a adventure that has to fit in this theory or you have soemthing else that this is wrong on any count.

I ask you just tell me the reason why this theory is flawed?

Because NO.

Quote from: Shadowcatcher on May 04, 2007, 07:30:27 PM
And Dan's marking has yet to manifest.  Wouldn't it be plot twist if Abel's clan marker turned up instead of Cyra's marker?  Yes, I know that's a stretch, because his wing-tentacles have the hallmark's of Cyra's clan, AND has Cyra's clan's affinity for pain, but that is still a possibility until Amber releases the comic strip where it finally shows up.  What if all Dan inherits is his mom's physical traits?  Abel sure didn't inherit much of his father's cubi traits, wing structure and what not.

If i'm correct and Fi belongs to Dan now, it's impossible for that, because it's his warp aci, with his clan marking and the respective blue aura, not to mention pretty much every physical and magical trait of the clan... You're just wrong on all counts.

Quote from: techmaster-glitch on May 04, 2007, 06:21:22 PM
Hey, you're right! Abel has miraculously been temporarily cured of his hemophobia!

PLOT HOLE, AMBER! :raspberry

Possibly he develops his hemophobia at a later point, potentially developing from this encounter

Quote from: Aleolus on May 04, 2007, 08:16:21 PM
Possibly he develops his hemophobia at a later point, potentially developing from this encounter

Erm. http://missmab.com/Comics/Abel_46.php ?

Quote from: Aridas Soulfire on May 04, 2007, 07:58:16 PM
If i'm correct and Fi belongs to Dan now, it's impossible for that, because it's his warp aci, with his clan marking and the respective blue aura, not to mention pretty much every physical and magical trait of the clan...

Hmm, I forgot about the Warp Aci.  You're right, that is definitive proof.

Quote from: Aridas Soulfire on May 04, 2007, 07:58:16 PM
You're just wrong on all counts.

Why is it that people respond to my comments here with hostility?  Sheesh.  There are nicer ways to say I was off the mark with this one.

Quote from: Shadowcatcher
Why is it that people respond to my comments here with hostility?  Sheesh.  There are nicer ways to say I was off the mark with this one.

DMFA FORUM HAET TACT!  DMFA FORUM SMASH!

In theory it would be bad taste if I was to answer your questions. So apologies there.

Ze great Amber has spoken!

Quote from: llearch n'n'daCorna on May 04, 2007, 08:22:04 PM

Quote from: Aleolus on May 04, 2007, 08:16:21 PM
Possibly he develops his hemophobia at a later point, potentially developing from this encounter

Erm. http://missmab.com/Comics/Abel_46.php ?

Thats not proof that he is hemophobic yet.. just that he reacted poorly to the site of many dead creatures and a lot of blood... Name me one person who after living the life able seems to have lead so far (( A Seemingly Normal one that lead to a job as a Librarian of all the boring professions! )) who would not freak out at the site of some dead bodies...  :)

Quote from: Aurawyn on May 04, 2007, 09:29:25 PM
Thats not proof that he is hemophobic yet.. just that he reacted poorly to the site of many dead creatures and a lot of blood... Name me one person who after living the life able seems to have lead so far (( A Seemingly Normal one that lead to a job as a Librarian of all the boring professions! )) who would not freak out at the site of some dead bodies...  :)

As Devin said he's always had that reaction since they were kids

I'm assuming as a kid Abel wasn't tripping over dead bodies so the implication is he reacted to Blood

Besides Amber has said herself that Abels hemophobia has always been with him

Quote from: Psychogirl on May 04, 2007, 09:09:51 PM
Ze great Amber has spoken!

Pst! She's not really that great.
:c

Quote from: thegayhare on May 04, 2007, 09:53:45 PM
As Devin said he's always had that reaction since they were kids

Precicely.

Ummm, who are the admins?  Also i'm not that kind of furry Netami.  I only got fursonas meant more for action oriented rps not the yiffy kind. - -;  Sides I think the ones into just those rps are weird.  Sorry just wanted to clear that up guys. ^_^;

Well, the admins are Darkmoon, Damaris, Amber, and llearch. RJ and Bill are mods.

On a side note: you ought to improve your RP skills.

Quote from: Shadowcatcher on May 04, 2007, 07:30:27 PMSave your hostility for Aniz, not me.  As for Cid not noticing it, you have NO information on the circumstances in which Cid died.  Aniz could have caught the adventurer in his sleep.  He wouldn't know any better in that scenario, would he?

I own that this is a possibility.

Quote from: Shadowcatcher on May 04, 2007, 07:30:27 PMMaybe Abel's empty, who can say.  He certainly wasn't doing anything more then cringing behind the wagon wasn't he?

Hemophobia causes vasovagal syncope (i.e. fainting), not vomiting.

Quote from: Shadowcatcher on May 04, 2007, 07:30:27 PMShiningShadow made a good statement.  We don't know how old Devin is, the possibility that Aniz is his dad is still there.  With adventurers gone for months at a time, leaving their spouses alone, there is plenty of opportunity for the enterprising horny incubus to do his dirtywork.

Devin and Abel were playmates, which means that they would have been within a couple of years of each other.  Add in a nine month pregnancy for Abel, and it becomes virtually impossible for Aniz to be a full-time husband to both.

In addition, unless Devin's dad had a different excuse for long absences, it's pretty likely that adventurers would go out at the same time, since Cantiv isn't Neo-Tokyo, and probably wasn't getting attacked by MechaGodzilla every other week.  It would be even rarer for an adventurer to pick up the bounty, so I'm betting that most adventurers would respond to every threat.

Quote from: Aurawyn on May 04, 2007, 09:29:25 PM
Name me one person who after living the life able seems to have lead so far (( A Seemingly Normal one that lead to a job as a Librarian of all the boring professions! ))

Librarians are not boring- they are teh crazies.


And actually, there are not as many admins as you think, although we tend to call all the moderation staff admins.  Everyone listed above is on the moderation staff, and would be able to handle any PMs or questions.

Also, Shadowcaster... I don't think they're going after you as much as another person.

Quote from: superluser on May 05, 2007, 01:05:04 AM

Quote from: Shadowcatcher on May 04, 2007, 07:30:27 PMMaybe Abel's empty, who can say.  He certainly wasn't doing anything more then cringing behind the wagon wasn't he?

Hemophobia causes vasovagal syncope (i.e. fainting), not vomiting.

http://missmab.com/Comics/Vol627.jpg
Um...I think Abel just proved you wroung

maybe he just hasn't noticed all the blood on the floor from his mother's nose yet

Maybe he hasn't developed that fear yet because he hasn't been splattered in the blood of his mother and his best friend!!

He already has the fear as indicated by a now dead Devin

It's not necessarily the full blown phobia so much as a really bad experience. I think if you compound his mother and best friend dying, maybe gruesomely in front of him, he'd develop the fear. Or it could be a goof up, but I never got the feeling that he was now afraid of blood in the same way his future self is.

Well if you put in the factors that he watched his friends die before him, as well as hearing the final thoughts of one of them. Also devin helped Abel when he saw what was left of a certain dally.

also this time take in the fact that he just found out that his father is now who he thought he was and is well... I don't know a little insane or a cute asshole (possibly both) and I think the last thing he is gonna notice is a little blood... until he looks down anyways

Quote from: Zaon on May 05, 2007, 02:01:53 AM

Quote from: superluser on May 05, 2007, 01:05:04 AMHemophobia causes vasovagal syncope (i.e. fainting), not vomiting.

http://missmab.com/Comics/Vol627.jpg
Um...I think Abel just proved you wroung

But that wasn't blood.  He probably vomited because he was expecting to pass out at any moment, but the vasovagal reaction wasn't initiated because--at some primal level, Abel knew that it wasn't blood.

He also said that during times of stress, blood-like substances(IE red paint) can also trigger the reaction.  I'm fairly certain there's not a whole lot of cognition going on in the reactions of a hemophobic person.

Also, he was puking up when Devin mentioned the blood on his own hands earlier.

Quote from: Fuyudenki on May 05, 2007, 12:33:06 PMHe also said that during times of stress, blood-like substances(IE red paint) can also trigger the reaction.  I'm fairly certain there's not a whole lot of cognition going on in the reactions of a hemophobic person.

In fact, none.  The reaction might not even reach the limbic system.  Abel sees blood, the body recognizes it as blood, and he faints.  Let's take the paint scenario.  Abel sees paint.  His body knows that it isn't blood, but shortly thereafter, the neocortex gets involved, and starts making associations like red = blood.  Abel starts thinking, ``Oh, no!  Blood!  That means I'm going to faint!''  And he gets panicky and vomits.

Quote from: Shadowcatcher on May 04, 2007, 08:34:20 PM

Quote from: Aridas Soulfire on May 04, 2007, 07:58:16 PM
You're just wrong on all counts.

Why is it that people respond to my comments here with hostility?  Sheesh.  There are nicer ways to say I was off the mark with this one.

Indeed. Aridas is just abrasive sometimes. I wouldn't take it personally. :-]

Quote from: Doraion on May 04, 2007, 11:54:44 PM
Ummm, who are the admins?  Also i'm not that kind of furry Netami.  I only got fursonas meant more for action oriented rps not the yiffy kind. - -;  Sides I think the ones into just those rps are weird.  Sorry just wanted to clear that up guys. ^_^;

The admins are listed on the rules page (http://clockworkmansion.com/main.php?page=rules). You -did- read the rules page, right? Right?

Quote from: llearch n'n'daCorna on May 05, 2007, 07:16:33 PMThe admins are listed on the rules page (http://clockworkmansion.com/main.php?page=rules). You -did- read the rules page, right? Right?

Well, the rules don't list *all* (http://clockworkmansion.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=1185) the admins/mods.  Also, if you read the rules, and afterwards someone gets made an admin, you won't know all the admins, either.  Likewise if someone neglects to add the name to the rules page.

Well, it would help quite a bit if the people who keep appointing themselves admins would stop confusing the noobs.

Quote from: superluser on May 05, 2007, 01:46:54 PM
In fact, none.  The reaction might not even reach the limbic system.  Abel sees blood, the body recognizes it as blood, and he faints.  Let's take the paint scenario.  Abel sees paint.  His body knows that it isn't blood, but shortly thereafter, the neocortex gets involved, and starts making associations like red = blood.  Abel starts thinking, ``Oh, no!  Blood!  That means I'm going to faint!''  And he gets panicky and vomits.

But. Abel. DOES. Barf. When. He. Sees. Real. Blood.
http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Abel_46.php

All this "fainting" stuff you're talking about is irrelevant, because Abel barfs when he see blood. That's just him. End of story.

Yeah, but I think it's only especially bad when it's on him, rather than someone else.   It also helps when there's something very distracting going on, such as seeing your father reveal himself as an incubus. 

Quote from: techmaster-glitch on May 06, 2007, 03:27:14 AMBut. Abel. DOES. Barf. When. He. Sees. Real. Blood.
http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Abel_46.php

All this "fainting" stuff you're talking about is irrelevant, because Abel barfs when he see blood. That's just him. End of story.

I just really like the idea of Abel's hemophobia being medically accurate.  It would make things interesting, since it's not really something you can conquer, just something you merely mitigate.  I know Amber probably didn't intend it to be medically accurate, but it makes me happier to imagine that she did.  DON'T TAKE THAT AWAY FROM ME! D:

(Also, I still want Abel to have Rabies and the Royal Disease, so that he can be a Hydrophobic hemophobic homophobic hemophiliac from metrosexual Mabsylvania)

How do you know that barfing isn't "medically accurate"? Just a question, but where are you getting that info? I looked hemophobia up on the Wikipedia, but they had nothing.(ya know, come to think about it, Wikipedia doesn't have ANY phobias last I checked... I think...) I just don't see how seeing blood and triggering a "barf" reaction is impossible. It seems perfectly fine and normal to me.

Quote from: techmaster-glitch on May 06, 2007, 04:03:22 AMHow do you know that barfing isn't "medically accurate"? Just a question, but where are you getting that info? I looked hemophobia up on the Wikipedia

I am laughing at you now.  Sorry, I shouldn't be.

Your information comes from Wikipedia, the encyclopedia that used to claim (from September 2005 to August 2006) that bay leaves might be poisonous, but it had never been proven.

My information comes from the Merck Manual (http://www.merck.com/mmpe/sec15/ch196/ch196e.html?qt=hemophobia&alt=sh).

Quote from: Merck ManualPeople with a phobia of blood, needles, or injury, unlike those with other phobias or anxiety disorders, can actually faint because an excessive vasovagal reflex produces bradycardia and orthostatic hypotension.

(and on vasovagal reflex)

Strong emotion, pain, fear, sight of blood, or injury can produce strong vagal stimulation, causing vasovagal syncope. An initial increase in BP and heart rate is followed by an abrupt decrease in BP and sometimes heart rate. This form of syncope is common and benign; assuming a horizontal position results in complete recovery.

Quote from: superluser on May 05, 2007, 11:35:50 PM

Quote from: llearch n'n'daCorna on May 05, 2007, 07:16:33 PMThe admins are listed on the rules page (http://clockworkmansion.com/main.php?page=rules). You -did- read the rules page, right? Right?

Well, the rules don't list *all* (http://clockworkmansion.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=1185) the admins/mods.  Also, if you read the rules, and afterwards someone gets made an admin, you won't know all the admins, either.  Likewise if someone neglects to add the name to the rules page.

Quote from: Damaris on May 05, 2007, 11:42:19 PM
Well, it would help quite a bit if the people who keep appointing themselves admins would stop confusing the noobs.

True, true, sorry. It's all my fault. It's not like it's an obvious adjunct or something, now, is it, used only for the admin tasks of a specific admin, soas to clarify when they are talking out of their arse, and when they're speaking as an admin or something...

*cough*

Quote from: techmaster-glitch on May 04, 2007, 12:20:33 AM
On account of Aniz' actions ever since he walked in the door (i.e., implying May cheated on him, faking a heart attack, and now all of THIS) I think I can summarize the current state of every DMFA reader in one smiley:

:confused  CONFUSED.

We will have to wait for more comics that will explain his motives, cuz right now he's making no sense whatsoever.

I still stand by the thought that, whatever his original motivations for hooking up with May were, he has come to have feelings for her, and so will not kill her.  He may even run off with her to sire more children, with her being fully aware of his nature from now on.

At that age?

Quote from: Roureem Egas on May 06, 2007, 02:36:27 PMAt that age?

Indeed.  May's probably been through menopause.  (I think.  Cats go through menopause, right?)

All female mammals hit menopause sooner or later.

The question is, how long after birth, relatively, that it happens, and how many births can the organism reasonably withstand.

(and yes, superluser, I think she probably has. not that I expect Amber to be so crass as to answer the query in the actual comic itself. Or even allude to it...)

Quote from: llearch n'n'daCorna on May 06, 2007, 06:47:57 PM(and yes, superluser, I think she probably has. not that I expect Amber to be so crass as to answer the query in the actual comic itself. Or even allude to it...)

Is it crass to refer to menopause?  I know that it would be pedantic to refer to May's child-bearing capabilities in the comic, but I wouldn't have figured crass.  I learn something new about social etiquette every day.