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Title: Abel's Story, 10/23/07 - Go on, Shoo.
Post by: Sunblink on January 22, 2007, 08:47:39 PM
Well darn. Looks like Kria actually DID kill them, after all.

Dangit, why must cliffhangers exist? I wanna know who's responsible for this! I demand answers!

As another note, Abel looks absolutely adorable in the first panel there, and nice, quick update, Amber. *claps* New record.

~Keaton the Black Jackal
Title: Re: Abel's Story, 10/23/07 - Go on, Shoo.
Post by: Alan Garou on January 22, 2007, 08:49:15 PM
Who is it? And who else here wants to wring their neck like a towel? All in favor say "Die."
Title: Re: Abel's Story, 10/23/07 - Go on, Shoo.
Post by: Aridas on January 22, 2007, 08:58:50 PM
Well, all favor of Kria and the mystery ....thing.. has dropped to 0. I'm not sure anyone will want her back in the comic ;>.>
Title: Re: Abel's Story, 10/23/07 - Go on, Shoo.
Post by: Faerie Alex on January 22, 2007, 08:59:03 PM
DIE!

Well...I guess we're about to see who was doing the killing...at least we won't have to wait a whole week.

I think it's Repteal. :3
Title: Re: Abel's Story, 10/23/07 - Go on, Shoo.
Post by: Tycoon on January 22, 2007, 09:00:40 PM
Excellent comic, Kria's expression in the first panel makes me smile.
'Tis just a pity that she is involved...

Oh well, any bets as to who the mysterious figure is?
I'll say Dark Pegasus for the heck of it.
Title: Re: Abel's Story, 10/23/07 - Go on, Shoo.
Post by: Stygian on January 22, 2007, 09:03:03 PM
Hehe. Now, this makes me glad. Now, it stands only to figure who it is she's talking to. Because if it's that simpleminded idiot Pegasus, I'm not forgiving Amber...
Title: Re: Abel's Story, 10/23/07 - Go on, Shoo.
Post by: Roureem Egas on January 22, 2007, 09:03:16 PM
Quote from: Keaton the Black Jackal on January 22, 2007, 08:47:39 PM
Well darn. Looks like Kria actually DID kill them, after all.

*snip*

Probably not. She might have been sent as a sort of clean-up crew, so she might not have actually killed. :I Still, suspicions suspicions.
Title: Re: Abel's Story, 10/23/07 - Go on, Shoo.
Post by: Zedd on January 22, 2007, 09:03:53 PM
Im sure its all but a demons job be the cleaner
Title: Re: Abel's Story, 10/23/07 - Go on, Shoo.
Post by: superluser on January 22, 2007, 09:09:28 PM
1. Yay for new thread!

Quote from: Keaton the Black Jackal on January 22, 2007, 08:47:39 PMWell darn. Looks like Kria actually DID kill them, after all.

Actually, this makes it less likely that that's true.  Kria just did mop-up, which may have only been Abel.

Quote from: Keaton the Black Jackal on January 22, 2007, 08:47:39 PMDangit, why must cliffhangers exist?

This is a particularly annoying one.  Y'hear me, Amber?  Annoying!  I...uh Don't smite me.

...anyways I liked it.  Kria actually looks good in this one.  We don't often see her motherly/feminine side.  The cocked head to one side with raised eyebrows?  Hawt.

The story actually looks like a gift to the rabid speculators on the forum, because now we have to speculate on who that is behind Kria.

Whatever it is, it appears that Kria doesn't get on very well with it.
Title: Re: Abel's Story, 10/23/07 - Go on, Shoo.
Post by: Aridas on January 22, 2007, 09:10:13 PM
...And everyone who was with him, since there were already dead people there before.
Title: Re: Abel's Story, 10/23/07 - Go on, Shoo.
Post by: Akisohida on January 22, 2007, 09:17:09 PM
Part of me says 'Noooo! Kria! WHY!? >( D: ' and part of me says 'I doubt she would have killed Abel and Xander because she likes Abel so she could not have done it'.
Title: Re: Abel's Story, 10/23/07 - Go on, Shoo.
Post by: Stygian on January 22, 2007, 09:19:28 PM
Quote from: Akisohida on January 22, 2007, 09:17:09 PM
Part of me says 'Noooo! Kria! WHY!? >( D: ' and part of me says 'I doubt she would have killed Abel and Xander because she likes Abel so she could not have done it'.

*leans over the spiderfox's shoulder with a devilish smile*

You know... She doesn't know that they were his friends...
Title: Re: Abel's Story, 10/23/07 - Go on, Shoo.
Post by: RushFox on January 22, 2007, 09:19:38 PM
All bets that it's Dark Pegasus!  :smack


Seriously, I'm kinda glad Abel didn't go nutso after all this. The only other thing they could do to him is [RPG] KILL HIS PARENTS![/RPG]

At least he had 300 years to get over it before meeting Dan and Company...  :)

Title: Re: Abel's Story, 10/23/07 - Go on, Shoo.
Post by: Sunblink on January 22, 2007, 09:24:54 PM
As the response to the entire Dark Pegasus speculation, I really doubt it was him. Really, why would he be interested in merely terrorizing such an out-of-the-way village? He doesn't really seem like the kind who would be causing such relatively small-time chaos. Unless this whole thing is part of a grander scheme of things... then it could be more likely.

~Keaton the Black Jackal
Title: Re: Abel's Story, 10/23/07 - Go on, Shoo.
Post by: Caswin on January 22, 2007, 09:26:08 PM
That doesn't sound like Dark Pegasus' speech style to me.  He's usually more regal and over-the-top.  I'm thinking a member of the future Creature Council.
Title: Re: Abel's Story, 10/23/07 - Go on, Shoo.
Post by: Akisohida on January 22, 2007, 09:27:26 PM
Quote from: Stygian on January 22, 2007, 09:19:28 PM
Quote from: Akisohida on January 22, 2007, 09:17:09 PM
Part of me says 'Noooo! Kria! WHY!? >( D: ' and part of me says 'I doubt she would have killed Abel and Xander because she likes Abel so she could not have done it'.

*leans over the spiderfox's shoulder with a devilish smile*

You know... She doesn't know that they were his friends...

He was standing with them when the attack happened. It would be pretty obvious they were with him. :)
Title: Re: Abel's Story, 10/23/07 - Go on, Shoo.
Post by: Aridas on January 22, 2007, 09:29:02 PM
As friends or as adventurers who've captured him?
Title: Re: Abel's Story, 10/23/07 - Go on, Shoo.
Post by: llearch n'n'daCorna on January 22, 2007, 09:32:29 PM
I think nobody saw him, since he was buried behind the cart.

So whoever he was with, or however he got there, the one who got to deal with him was Kria. So...

She chose to let him go. Which is fine, and dandy. But plot-complex...
Title: Re: Abel's Story, 10/23/07 - Go on, Shoo.
Post by: MaskedRetriever on January 22, 2007, 09:35:49 PM
Note that Amber mentioned having "plans" when she told us of this special update.

SUSPICION:  The DMFA and Abel's Story continuities are going to resonate soon.

CORALLARY TO SUSPICION:  The unseen figure is either directly or indirectly involved in the Dragons vs Destina's Clan & Biggs issues.

CORALLARY TO CORALLARY TO SUSPICON: It's either Fa'lina, Destina, or a Dwagon.

I'm currently betting on Dwagon since my other guesses are Cubi.
Title: Re: Abel's Story, 10/23/07 - Go on, Shoo.
Post by: superluser on January 22, 2007, 09:39:10 PM
Quote from: Stygian on January 22, 2007, 09:19:28 PMYou know... She doesn't know that they were his friends...

Of course she doesn't.  She just, y'know, saw them talking and walking together, meeting some heavily armed people, and defending him from them (note that Devin used some rather exaggerated poses that should have been distinguishable from far away).

Quote from: RushFox on January 22, 2007, 09:19:38 PMAll bets that it's Dark Pegasus!

Bet it's not!  DP seems more the type to have minions than cohorts, and Kria doesn't seem the minion type.  Furthermore, DP has some sort of connection to Destania (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_388.php).  It would be highly improbable that he would have an independent connection to Abel, too.

Besides, that sort of storytelling would tend to feel claustrophobic.

Edit:

Quote from: MaskedRetriever on January 22, 2007, 09:35:49 PMSUSPICION:  The DMFA and Abel's Story continuities are going to resonate soon.

Well, it's gonna happen sooner or later.  At 66 strips, it's bound to happen pretty soon.  I doubt that Abel's arc is going to go over 200 strips, so we'll start seeing synchronicities soon.

Among other things, Abel will probably soon visit Jyrras' place, either to check up on Dan or to confront Jyrras about his crush, and I'm betting *two* ISO standard Cokes that he will meet Lorenda at that time.  One for him meeting her, and another for Jyrras having to explain to Lorenda that she's not the only one for him.
Title: Re: Abel's Story, 10/23/07 - Go on, Shoo.
Post by: Stygian on January 22, 2007, 09:45:45 PM
Quote from: Akisohida on January 22, 2007, 09:27:26 PM
He was standing with them when the attack happened. It would be pretty obvious they were with him. :)

*Grins at the spiderfox, poking him a bit*

Yeah. So was glory and her unsympathetic lot, if you remember?
Title: Re: Abel's Story, 10/23/07 - Go on, Shoo.
Post by: llearch n'n'daCorna on January 22, 2007, 09:49:00 PM
Quote from: superluser on January 22, 2007, 09:39:10 PM
Of course she doesn't.  She just, y'know, saw them talking and walking together, meeting some heavily armed people, and defending him from them (note that Devin used some rather exaggerated poses that should have been distinguishable from far away).

Actually, we don't know -what- she saw. We know that someone started shooting at them, and we know that Devin and Xander both copped something in the wrong way, but other than that, we're pretty much waiting to find out what happened.

We -certainly- don't know how long whoever it was was watching them. And for all we know, the third party who has yet to be identified was the one watching them, and waiting for Kria to return. And started attacking before she got a chance to identify it as Abel.

About the only thing we know for certain is that either Kria only recognised Abel after she wandered out to clean up the mess (or make more, depending on your point of view and personal inclination) ... or she's a very good actor.


I'm not willing to bet either way.
Title: Re: Abel's Story, 10/23/07 - Go on, Shoo.
Post by: superluser on January 22, 2007, 10:03:21 PM
Quote from: llearch n'n'daCorna on January 22, 2007, 09:49:00 PMActually, we don't know -what- she saw.

Here's the argument:

Argument (Akisohida): Kria knows that D&X are Abel's friends.  Therefore, Kria would not attack D&X

Counterargument (Stygian): Kria doesn't know that D&X are Abel's friends.  Therefore, your argument is faulty.

Rebuttal (Superluser): If Kria did see them, she would know that D&X are Abel's friends.  Therefore, your counterargument is faulty.

The argument is not that she saw them and killed them--just that if she did see them, she would have recognized that they were friends.

(Don't make me break out Barbara and Bramantip!)
Title: Re: Abel's Story, 10/23/07 - Go on, Shoo.
Post by: Akisohida on January 22, 2007, 10:05:15 PM
Quote from: Stygian on January 22, 2007, 09:45:45 PM
Quote from: Akisohida on January 22, 2007, 09:27:26 PM
He was standing with them when the attack happened. It would be pretty obvious they were with him. :)

*Grins at the spiderfox, poking him a bit*

Yeah. So was glory and her unsympathetic lot, if you remember?

Glory and FACING Abels group. Since Xander and Devin were next to Abel and Glory and her peeps were in front of Abel, it is easy to see who was with who :)

When people stand side-by-side when talking and do not look at eachother as much, it is easy to tell they are friends since they are acting comfortable with eachother, you know? They stood as a group.
Title: Re: Abel's Story, 10/23/07 - Go on, Shoo.
Post by: Stygian on January 22, 2007, 10:21:25 PM
*Pshs! and waves a hand, as if brushing away the arguments*

Ah, please... You keep forgetting the fact that she didn't know it was Abel in the first place. All she and that other one saw was a big group with "Food!" stamped on it in red letters, and you know it. There really is no need to get upset here, even for sappy Kria fanboys who ought to learn to be evil in the first place.
Title: Re: Abel's Story, 10/23/07 - Go on, Shoo.
Post by: GabrielsThoughts on January 22, 2007, 10:21:40 PM
Quote from: Keaton the Black Jackal on January 22, 2007, 08:47:39 PM


Dangit, why must cliffhangers exist? I wanna know who's responsible for this! I demand answers!

I believe Amber likes to drag things out with Abel's storyline because it creates a sense of drama, not unlike that found in japanese animie shows like Pokemon, or Bleach where they intend to drag out one  story through 60 episodes before you get any relivent information.
Title: Re: Abel's Story, 10/23/07 - Go on, Shoo.
Post by: Wanderer on January 22, 2007, 10:22:26 PM
Ya'll know... maybe she just didn't RECOGNIZE him from wherever she was? How good are you at identifying random people you aren't expecting to see at 300 yards?

My response to the offscreen speaker would probably involve some impolite gesture which would generally tell him/her to keep their nose stuck in their own business, and not mine.
Title: Re: Abel's Story, 10/23/07 - Go on, Shoo.
Post by: Reese Tora on January 22, 2007, 10:27:43 PM
Quote from: Wanderer on January 22, 2007, 10:22:26 PM
Ya'll know... maybe she just didn't RECOGNIZE him from wherever she was? How good are you at identifying random people you aren't expecting to see at 300 yards?

My response to the offscreen speaker would probably involve some impolite gesture which would generally tell him/her to keep their nose stuck in their own business, and not mine.

yeah, after all, not two comics ago, Kria appeared very surprised to find that Abel was hiding behind the cart.

My theory is that Kria is the one who killed Devin (if not Xander et. all as well) and was coming to make sure he was down for good.
Title: Re: Abel's Story, 10/23/07 - Go on, Shoo.
Post by: Meech on January 22, 2007, 10:28:03 PM
I get the impression that Kria was not involved in the killing.  I am also thinking that Fa'Lina had already started the SAIA when this was happening.  I am also thinking that Destania may have already been enrolled in the SAIA and that she would be there at the time that this tragedy occurred.  I just feel that it isn't Dark Pegasus so I'm going with my instincts there.

I say that it may be an entirely new character that we have not me yet.  Kria's mother!

And what does the hungry-hungry hippo world championship cup look like anyway?
Title: Re: Abel's Story, 10/23/07 - Go on, Shoo.
Post by: superluser on January 22, 2007, 11:05:35 PM
Quote from: Stygian on January 22, 2007, 10:21:25 PMAh, please... You keep forgetting the fact that she didn't know it was Abel in the first place. All she and that other one saw was a big group with "Food!" stamped on it in red letters, and you know it.

Ding!  I think Stygian has made a plausible argument here.

Quote from: GabrielsThoughts on January 22, 2007, 10:21:40 PMI believe Amber likes to drag things out with Abel's storyline because it creates a sense of drama, not unlike that found in japanese animie shows like Pokemon, or Bleach where they intend to drag out one  story through 60 episodes before you get any relivent information.

I'm telling you, it feels like Amber wants us to speculate about this.  That's why I'm speculating.  And I'm speculating that it's not one of the dragons or `cubi.  Abel doesn't have any immediate beef with the Dragons--only by extension of Destania/Dan, and I would expect the `cubi to have a different reaction to the situation.  Or at the very least, I would expect Kria not to be maddened by the statement, since she would know that the creature (hereafter Gary) wouldn't be serious.

(Stop Ninja'ing me!)

Quote from: Meech on January 22, 2007, 10:28:03 PMI am also thinking that Fa'Lina had already started the SAIA when this was happening.  I am also thinking that Destania may have already been enrolled in the SAIA and that she would be there at the time that this tragedy occurred.

Naw, really?  Destania is 7000+ years old.  Fa'Lina offered professorship to Aaryanna at around 428 years old.  Dee could have been dean of any of the colleges by now.  She wasn't, but that's beside the point.

Quote from: Meech on January 22, 2007, 10:28:03 PMI say that it may be an entirely new character that we have not me yet.  Kria's mother!

I doubt that Gary is Kria's mother.  I was going to say earlier that Gary must be someone that we already know, or else we would have seen Gary.  This is not strictly true.  If we know what race Gary is, that ends a lot of speculation, as well.  At any rate, I suspect that if we saw Gary, we would instantly know all about her.
Title: Re: Abel's Story, 10/23/07 - Go on, Shoo.
Post by: Aridas on January 22, 2007, 11:05:58 PM
it's ONLY been a few hundred years, of course SAIA is around.
Title: Re: Abel's Story, 10/23/07 - Go on, Shoo.
Post by: Sienna Maiu - M T on January 22, 2007, 11:07:20 PM
I'm thinking that Kria is currently in a subordinate-type setting.
My random-speculation says.... it's his cubi-parental!!! Of course... that idea was shot right down. By my brain. Yes, the rumours are true, I do have one. But that's not to say it isn't a blood-relative of his...
Oh well, laissez-faire, wait and see.
Title: Re: Abel's Story, 10/23/07 - Go on, Shoo.
Post by: Alondro on January 22, 2007, 11:30:11 PM
*Charles rampantly speculates!*  I suspect that it is in fact... Dr. Ink!  Cuz he's evil and likes killing people!  And it's so easy to blame evil things on him!  Now let us all point at him and scowl disapprovingly!  *points and scowls and the demonic doctor*   :nono
Title: Re: Abel's Story, 10/23/07 - Go on, Shoo.
Post by: GabrielsThoughts on January 22, 2007, 11:43:14 PM
How odd that everyone missed the obvious. It's Apocalypse Steer, future father of Lorenda. Granted Kria won't make nookie with him for another few hundred years but Apocalypse Steer eventually grew on her like a fungus. 
Title: Re: Abel's Story, 10/23/07 - Go on, Shoo.
Post by: superluser on January 22, 2007, 11:49:09 PM
Quote from: Alondro on January 22, 2007, 11:30:11 PM*Charles rampantly speculates!*  I suspect that it is in fact... Dr. Ink!

Nah.  Abel knows Ink.  He doesn't seem to have the sort of relationship that a near victim would have with his assailant.  And Abel would find out.  Sooner or later, one of the first-years would learn about it, and Abel would read that student's mind, and voila!  I mean, it's not like they would keep that secret from all the students just because one might react strongly.

Plus Gary doesn't have the stochastic-shaded word balloons, so that rules him out entirely.

But you know, mainly the circumstantial evidence about Abel's relationship with him 350+ years later.
Title: Re: Abel's Story, 10/23/07 - Go on, Shoo.
Post by: Toric on January 23, 2007, 12:11:59 AM
My first guess was very close to superluser's arbitrary name of the mysterious new character. Remember how we haven't seen hide nor hair of the rival being party since the attack, even so much as a dead body?

It sure would have stunk for you if you hadn't known which direction to face that shield to defend from the barrage, eh Glory? >:O *Accusatory finger of dooooooom!*

[Edit] Okay, so Glory can still be seen in this comic, (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Abel_59.php) in.... pretty much the exact same position she was when the attack started for some reason. Oh well, I stand by my accusation for now despite how it will probably come back to bite me later.
Title: Re: Abel's Story, 10/23/07 - Go on, Shoo.
Post by: Aridas on January 23, 2007, 12:21:45 AM
Quote from: GabrielsThoughts on January 22, 2007, 11:43:14 PMHow odd that everyone missed the obvious. It's Apocalypse Steer, future father of Lorenda. Granted Kria won't make nookie with him for another few hundred years but Apocalypse Steer eventually grew on her like a fungus. 
Stop makin' up them stories, junior!
Title: Re: Abel's Story, 10/23/07 - Go on, Shoo.
Post by: Regal on January 23, 2007, 12:33:58 AM
Quote from: Stygian on January 22, 2007, 09:19:28 PM
Quote from: Akisohida on January 22, 2007, 09:17:09 PM
Part of me says 'Noooo! Kria! WHY!? >( D: ' and part of me says 'I doubt she would have killed Abel and Xander because she likes Abel so she could not have done it'.

*leans over the spiderfox's shoulder with a devilish smile*

You know... She doesn't know that they were his friends...

And really, were they? One he just met and the other used to throw rocks at him. They might have became friends given time but I wouldn't say they were yet.
Title: Re: Abel's Story, 10/23/07 - Go on, Shoo.
Post by: Grenn on January 23, 2007, 12:45:55 AM
So um....

Where did Abel's headwings go?
Title: Re: Abel's Story, 10/23/07 - Go on, Shoo.
Post by: Kenji on January 23, 2007, 12:49:34 AM
Kria ate them. Obviously.
Title: Re: Abel's Story, 10/23/07 - Go on, Shoo.
Post by: Manawolf on January 23, 2007, 01:32:43 AM
Demons never were good at following orders.
Title: Re: Abel's Story, 10/23/07 - Go on, Shoo.
Post by: Kasarn on January 23, 2007, 01:50:04 AM
It's not their fault if the orders weren't given properly :P
Title: Re: Abel's Story, 10/23/07 - Go on, Shoo.
Post by: Regal on January 23, 2007, 01:56:34 AM
Quote from: Grenn on January 23, 2007, 12:45:55 AM
So um....

Where did Abel's headwings go?

The same place as his backwings.   :mowcookie
Title: Re: Abel's Story, 10/23/07 - Go on, Shoo.
Post by: Fex on January 23, 2007, 03:12:01 AM
 :3??? where are abel's wings?
Title: Re: Abel's Story, 10/23/07 - Go on, Shoo.
Post by: Aridas on January 23, 2007, 03:43:39 AM
I guess this is proof enough that even after only one abel's story, people don't pay attention.
Title: Re: Abel's Story, 10/23/07 - Go on, Shoo.
Post by: Dard on January 23, 2007, 04:10:16 AM
I am really surprised how many people here seem to have had any doubts that Kria was part of the killing crew who did all that carnage.
I am also really surprised that seems to make a change on her charakter in any way. I mean, this is totally consistent with all we know about her in the main series.
So yes, I still want her back in the main series, just like before. This didn't change anything.
Title: Re: Abel's Story, 10/23/07 - Go on, Shoo.
Post by: MT Hazard on January 23, 2007, 05:34:10 AM
I notice the patch/ amulet can hide both wings (wing space?)  but his clan mark is still there, I wonder what cubi conspiracy theorists would make of the 'can't hide your mark' issue?

"It's to stop us getting too powerful I tell you ! its a built in weakness!"

I wonder if hair/fur dye would work.
Title: Re: Abel's Story, 10/23/07 - Go on, Shoo.
Post by: Tapewolf on January 23, 2007, 05:40:53 AM
"If you don't know, come to learn.  If you know, come to teach."
--1971 DA Drug convention as attended by Hunter S Thompson and Ralph Steadman

Well, Kria certainly isn't teaching.
Title: Re: Abel's Story, 10/23/07 - Go on, Shoo.
Post by: Kirishala on January 23, 2007, 05:42:29 AM
Quote from: GabrielsThoughts on January 22, 2007, 11:43:14 PM
How odd that everyone missed the obvious. It's Apocalypse Steer, future father of Lorenda. Granted Kria won't make nookie with him for another few hundred years but Apocalypse Steer eventually grew on her like a fungus. 
Nope, Lorenda's dad was father was a being, which are neither known for going on rampages nor  for living upwards of 350 years.

My theory is that the mystery voice is Kria's mother and that they are on a mother-daughter rampage as Kria tried (without much success) to take Lorenda on.
Title: Re: Abel's Story, 10/23/07 - Go on, Shoo.
Post by: llearch n'n'daCorna on January 23, 2007, 05:43:44 AM
Quote from: MT Hazard on January 23, 2007, 05:34:10 AM
I wonder if hair/fur dye would work.

According to what Amber has said on the forum, several times, "No."
Title: Re: Abel's Story, 10/23/07 - Go on, Shoo.
Post by: MT Hazard on January 23, 2007, 06:03:58 AM
Quote from: llearch n'n'daCorna on January 23, 2007, 05:43:44 AM
Quote from: MT Hazard on January 23, 2007, 05:34:10 AM
I wonder if hair/fur dye would work.

According to what Amber has said on the forum, several times, "No."


Was a reason given why not?
Title: Re: Abel's Story, 10/23/07 - Go on, Shoo.
Post by: Tycoon on January 23, 2007, 06:04:39 AM
Quote from: MT Hazard on January 23, 2007, 05:34:10 AM
I notice the patch/ amulet can hide both wings (wing space?)  but his clan mark is still there, I wonder what cubi conspiracy theorists would make of the 'can't hide your mark' issue?

Ah, so no wonder why Kria doesn't have wings in DMFA, thanks for clearing that up. I wonder how Aaryana would handle the thought of Abel wearing it, though  >:3

As to the clan marking, I doubt that having a mark on one's body is enough to attract attention. Wings, on the other hand, are notoriously hard to hide (especially ones that are poking out of your head).
At the moment, no one will care about the marking because:
A. They may think that it is a tattoo.
B. They might think that the Adventurer's son has blood on his back, so they won't be worried.
C. They may recognise that clan marking, but it will make no sense due to Abel's lack of Cubi-Features.
Title: Re: Abel's Story, 10/23/07 - Go on, Shoo.
Post by: MT Hazard on January 23, 2007, 06:12:26 AM
Quote from: Tycoon on January 23, 2007, 06:04:39 AM
Quote from: MT Hazard on January 23, 2007, 05:34:10 AM
I notice the patch/ amulet can hide both wings (wing space?)  but his clan mark is still there, I wonder what cubi conspiracy theorists would make of the 'can't hide your mark' issue?

Ah, so no wonder why Kria doesn't have wings in DMFA, thanks for clearing that up. I wonder how Aaryana would handle the thought of Abel wearing it, though  >:3

As to the clan marking, I doubt that having a mark on one's body is enough to attract attention. Wings, on the other hand, are notoriously hard to hide (especially ones that are poking out of your head).
At the moment, no one will care about the marking because:
A. They may think that it is a tattoo.
B. They might think that the Adventurer's son has blood on his back, so they won't be worried.
C. They may recognise that clan marking, but it will make no sense due to Abel's lack of Cubi-Features.

It is a useful identifying feature for those in the know. E.g a beautiful women walks up to an adventurer but she has a brightly coloured mark on her fur so he is on his guard.

One thing I'm wondering Is how on earth would you tattoo fur? Tattoos are usually beneath the skin. The answer is, inevitably, magic. Its like many religious texts (and sci-fi) one answer to many questions.
Title: Re: Abel's Story, 10/23/07 - Go on, Shoo.
Post by: Sid on January 23, 2007, 06:49:39 AM
My first guess was actually "Matilda" (for various reasons), but she's too young, so eh. :/
Next "Wouldn't it be cool if..." choice would be Regina, but I personally doubt it.
An uber-awesome (yet unlikely) choice would be Xander. ;)

Aside from the guess-work, I'm kinda surprised that people wonder about Kria being hired. It's well-known that she spent a good while doing freelance Demon work before meeting Lorenda's father... so being hired for a one-time job doesn't sound terribly unlikely.

Quote from: superluser on January 22, 2007, 09:09:28 PM
...anyways I liked it.  Kria actually looks good in this one.  We don't often see her motherly/feminine side.  The cocked head to one side with raised eyebrows?  Hawt.

Mhhhh, agreed. :)
Kinda makes me wonder if her awesome looks in general are because of the era or because of the slight style boost that came between Kria's last main-comic appearance and the start of Abel's Story (assuming that I'm not forgetting some recent main-comic appearance)...
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Post by: Pentawolf on January 23, 2007, 06:50:09 AM
My bet is.. regina.. /silly

On a more seriouse note, whomever it is, its probably not Dark Pegasus.  (don't question my logic, it will only question you.)

If it was Kria's mother.. well... I dont hold much faith in that theory either.  And I'm doubting its a dragon.

An interesting twist would have it be Destina.  But we shall see in due time... Muahahaha!
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Post by: Akisohida on January 23, 2007, 07:25:01 AM
Well, it can't be Matty because taurs are too awsome to hire other people to rampage. We do it ourselves. :boogie

Here is a new theory from me. The voice did the killingses and then sent Kria out to 'finish off' any survivors of both ambushes and Kria went 'Eep! Abel!' I know someone said 'I bet they would be hard to recognize at a distaince!' but my grade school teacher came into my restaraunt last week and knew who I was and I am not even living in the town I grew up in anymore! Teachers just remember who their students were..and a spotted cat with large wings was not all that common. Methinks Kria was not even looking out of the building when it went down (why rosk giving away the exact location of your backup before they are going to attack?)

I also think the mystery voice is probably going to have ruined clothes or some scratches or cuts from the ice blast earlier, prooving it was the voice who attacked. :)
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Post by: ShiningShadow on January 23, 2007, 07:35:46 AM
Hmmmmmmmmmmm this is getting interesting. I knew Kria was a Bad Mamma and a sexy one to boot *woot*. Anywho I have the suspicion of that voice that has to be Glory. Why? simple I have not seen her since that battle was engaged and her group definitely dead and she is the one who plan this from the start. But for what reason I don't know at this point, as I could see from this Glory is my only suspect in this matter.
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Post by: superluser on January 23, 2007, 09:28:41 AM
Quote from: MT Hazard on January 23, 2007, 05:34:10 AM"It's to stop us getting too powerful I tell you ! its a built in weakness!"

I wonder if hair/fur dye would work.

It's more because Amber secretly hates Munchkins.

I do note that both hair and flesh can cover the mark, since Abel's braid covers it and we don't see a mirrored version on Abel's chest.  So `cubi should be able to make a flap of skin or tuft of hair that covers the mark.

(Another such secret: Water is wet)

Quote from: Tapewolf on January 23, 2007, 05:40:53 AM"If you don't know, come to learn.  If you know, come to teach."

I was trying to make this observation, but neither ``in-service'' nor ``evening classes'' seemed to be the appropriate turn of phrase.

Also, for all the speculators, it can't be Regina--she's too young.
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Post by: Tapewolf on January 23, 2007, 09:36:02 AM
Quote from: superluser on January 23, 2007, 09:28:41 AM
I do note that both hair and flesh can cover the mark, since Abel's braid covers it and we don't see a mirrored version on Abel's chest.  So `cubi should be able to make a flap of skin or tuft of hair that covers the mark.

Hmm.  What if he decides he'd look cool with red fur?  If the thing is faintly glowing or pulsating, that would put a stop to that trick (I'd assume that there are tattoos which glow as well, since they must be magic to work on a furre).

QuoteAlso, for all the speculators, it can't be Regina-- she's too young.

I must admit I like the idea of it being Xander.  I doubt we're that lucky, though  >:3
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Post by: Shadowcatcher on January 23, 2007, 09:45:38 AM
I suspect it might be someone yet-to-be-introduced who could have an apparence later in the main DMFA storyline.  Anything goes at this point!
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Post by: ShiningShadow on January 23, 2007, 10:04:59 AM
Who knows at this point the Xander Idea is feasable pretending to be dead and turning out to be a evil SOB hmmmmmmmmmmm. Glory, Xander, Kria's Mom, or someone new there's so many suspects there who knows make you feel that I will dress myself in a grass skirt with coconut bra and all*plot twist* if Amber has anything to say about.
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Post by: superluser on January 23, 2007, 10:12:44 AM
Quote from: Tapewolf on January 23, 2007, 09:36:02 AMHmm.  What if he decides he'd look cool with red fur?  If the thing is faintly glowing or pulsating, that would put a stop to that trick (I'd assume that there are tattoos which glow as well, since they must be magic to work on a furre).

Presumably, you've noticed that the Cyra clan mark is blue?  And Destania is all blue?
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Post by: ShiningShadow on January 23, 2007, 10:20:02 AM
Quote from: superluser on January 23, 2007, 10:12:44 AM
Quote from: Tapewolf on January 23, 2007, 09:36:02 AMHmm.  What if he decides he'd look cool with red fur?  If the thing is faintly glowing or pulsating, that would put a stop to that trick (I'd assume that there are tattoos which glow as well, since they must be magic to work on a furre).

Presumably, you've noticed that the Cyra clan mark is blue?  And Destania is all blue?

I don't know maybe she changes color when she needs to show her clan mark to others of the same clan. I think she is hiding it just to show that she is freindly and such to trust her without a doubt.
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Post by: Tapewolf on January 23, 2007, 10:20:43 AM
Quote from: superluser on January 23, 2007, 10:12:44 AM
Presumably, you've noticed that the Cyra clan mark is blue?  And Destania is all blue?

Yes, and I'd be interested to see her mark.  She certainly isn't blue for the express purpose of hiding it, otherwise she would have:

(A) Not gone waltzing around lost lake with her headwings and all (since that makes the mark kind of irrelevant)
(B) Have been a different colour inside SAIA
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Post by: ShiningShadow on January 23, 2007, 10:25:16 AM
Quote from: Tapewolf on January 23, 2007, 10:20:43 AM
Quote from: superluser on January 23, 2007, 10:12:44 AM
Presumably, you've noticed that the Cyra clan mark is blue?  And Destania is all blue?

Yes, and I'd be interested to see her mark.  She certainly isn't blue for the express purpose of hiding it, otherwise she would have:

(A) Not gone waltzing around lost lake with her headwings and all (since that makes the mark kind of irrelevant)
(B) Have been a different colour inside SAIA

So maybe Destania is not all blue as we all assume but a disguise to hide her real identity. If my small knowledege of Cubi's is that they are using different identities to fool their prey to give their prey a sense of false security that's how I see it.
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Post by: GabrielsThoughts on January 23, 2007, 10:44:17 AM
Quote from: Aridas Soulfire on January 23, 2007, 12:21:45 AM
Quote from: GabrielsThoughts on January 22, 2007, 11:43:14 PMHow odd that everyone missed the obvious. It's Apocalypse Steer, future father of Lorenda. Granted Kria won't make nookie with him for another few hundred years but Apocalypse Steer eventually grew on her like a fungus. 
Stop makin' up them stories, junior!

we're speculating, no one said you couldn't make anything up.


In fact I think it's Mab! being all evil and stuff durring her second childhood. 
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Post by: Regal on January 23, 2007, 10:53:50 AM
The mystery voice is Cindy. She became hard and cold from years of taunting, developed powers, faked her death and now she wants the whole community dead. Even that cute little kid she used to babysit.
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Post by: superluser on January 23, 2007, 11:16:21 AM
Quote from: Tapewolf on January 23, 2007, 10:20:43 AM
Quote from: superluser on January 23, 2007, 10:12:44 AMPresumably, you've noticed that the Cyra clan mark is blue?  And Destania is all blue?
She certainly isn't blue for the express purpose of hiding it, otherwise she would have:

(A) Not gone waltzing around lost lake with her headwings and all (since that makes the mark kind of irrelevant)
(B) Have been a different colour inside SAIA

Perhaps.  Remember Tiresisas.  He was forcibly changed into a woman, and then didn't want to be changed back.  Also note Stephen Hawking, who talks like an American, thanks to the original voice for his text-to-speech software.  When he had the opportunity to change to a British voice, he declined.

At some point, we identify with our affectations.  Maybe Destania made herself blue to hide her mark when she was younger and less powerful.  Now, she doesn't need to hide her headwings anymore, so she doesn't bother.  She has, however, identified with being blue, so she remains blue.

Also, have we ever actually seen Destania with her headwings out with anyone other than her close associates?  The flashback doesn't count, because that's based on Alexsi's narration, and at the time, she would have been one year old, and was probably in bed when the incident happened.

(Firefox has Tiresias in its glossary?)
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Post by: Manawolf on January 23, 2007, 11:22:49 AM
It's a psychological phenomena to get attached to a change in lifestyle if you've lived with it long enough.  It's why so many people don't like being pulled out of their ruts, and is also kind of like Stockholm syndrome, getting attached to someone you lived with, even if they kidnapped you in the first place.
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Post by: Sunblink on January 23, 2007, 11:25:40 AM
Quote from: ShiningShadow on January 23, 2007, 10:25:16 AM
Quote from: Tapewolf on January 23, 2007, 10:20:43 AM
Quote from: superluser on January 23, 2007, 10:12:44 AM
Presumably, you've noticed that the Cyra clan mark is blue?  And Destania is all blue?

Yes, and I'd be interested to see her mark.  She certainly isn't blue for the express purpose of hiding it, otherwise she would have:

(A) Not gone waltzing around lost lake with her headwings and all (since that makes the mark kind of irrelevant)
(B) Have been a different colour inside SAIA

So maybe Destania is not all blue as we all assume but a disguise to hide her real identity. If my small knowledege of Cubi's is that they are using different identities to fool their prey to give their prey a sense of false security that's how I see it.

I don't know, it seems like too easy of a loophole to try and hide one's clan marking.  I recall Aaryanna said that only 'really powerful Cubi' can alter or hide their clan markings, and I doubt Destania fits that insurmountable standard just yet.

I could be wrong, though. And as for blue not being her natural fur color, Dan happened to inherit blue wings, so I'm going to guess that it IS her normal color.

QuoteThe mystery voice is Cindy. She became hard and cold from years of taunting, developed powers, faked her death and now she wants the whole community dead. Even that cute little kid she used to babysit.

And if it WERE Cindy, what about the body in the casket during the funeral? Though, it WOULD be interesting to find out more about her since all we knew was a) that she babysat Abel, and b) was born with an eye on her hand, and caused as much of an uproar as Abel following her birth.

~Keaton the Black Jackal
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Post by: Manawolf on January 23, 2007, 11:30:37 AM
He could simply wear a shirt with an actual back to it.  Aary got stuck with a shoulder mark, and that'd only get covered up with long sleeves.
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Post by: Tapewolf on January 23, 2007, 11:33:32 AM
Quote from: superluser on January 23, 2007, 11:16:21 AM
At some point, we identify with our affectations.  Maybe Destania made herself blue to hide her mark when she was younger and less powerful.  Now, she doesn't need to hide her headwings anymore, so she doesn't bother.  She has, however, identified with being blue, so she remains blue.

That's plausible - indeed it's the reason I'm not interested in contact lenses.

The only potential flaw is the fact that Destania joined the Academy at around 25 (according to Fa'Lina), which would be before she was able to change her fur colour - judging from Abel's own ability at that (rough) age and his later description of how tricky it is.
From then on, Dee would have been safe among other 'cubi, and not needed to have hidden her heritage unless she went outside, so unless she tried it and decided it suited her, I'm not sure how likely it is.

The other point is we don't know if she's pureblood or half-Being.  In the latter case, the blue would have come from her Being parent.

Finally, Amber pointed out that Ink wouldn't be able to conceal his marking after 9000 years, so changing colour is way too simple.

QuoteAlso, have we ever actually seen Destania with her headwings out with anyone other than her close associates?  The flashback doesn't count, because that's based on Alexsi's narration, and at the time, she would have been one year old, and was probably in bed when the incident happened.

IIRC, only Dan's 388 flashback, and Aary's own flashbacks.

QuoteFirefox has Tiresias in its glossary?
Now I'm going to have to read about him since I've only come across the reference in passing.  Out of curiosity, are you studying literature or something?
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Post by: ShiningShadow on January 23, 2007, 12:02:22 PM
So then Destania has the mark of her clan but we don't see it. Is it the kind of mark that appears if your original fur for example is blue it will come out either a lime greeen or yellow. Henceforth Abel fur color is cream colored his clan marking is red. I think the markings react to the fur color and use the color spectrum to highlight it accordinly. That could be and explanation on this.
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Post by: Roureem Egas on January 23, 2007, 12:21:59 PM
Despite the fact that a marking is linked to magical powers and its usage, I highly doubt they change color to make it difficult to hide. Crests and symbols tend to be static.

Abel's hair is another thing.
Title: Re: Abel's Story, 10/23/07 - Go on, Shoo.
Post by: Tapewolf on January 23, 2007, 12:29:01 PM
Quote from: Roureem Egas on January 23, 2007, 12:21:59 PM
Despite the fact that a marking is linked to magical powers and its usage, I highly doubt they change color to make it difficult to hide. Crests and symbols tend to be static.
Glowing or subtly pulsing with energy is a little more likely, IMHO.
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Post by: ShiningShadow on January 23, 2007, 12:30:28 PM
Quote from: Roureem Egas on January 23, 2007, 12:21:59 PM
Despite the fact that a marking is linked to magical powers and its usage, I highly doubt they change color to make it difficult to hide. Crests and symbols tend to be static.

Abel's hair is another thing.

But with Abel's hair I know it's a lot of work to keep that hair in that manner. I think Abel could do it with his training at SAIA he could pull this off with ease.
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Post by: SkipSanders on January 23, 2007, 12:42:05 PM
What we really know about the mystery person talking to Kria is, 'They haven't learned yet not to piss her off'.

Regarding Kria being 'in on the kills', of course she could be, and probably was.  Whether you like it or not, she's always been shown as flatly evil, a remorseless killer, and especially so of beings.

It would be a major break with her established character if she wasn't.

That doesn't mean she can't, on whim, decide to spare someone she knows.  She's Abel's teacher, currently, and that might well, since she here for the first time sees his headwings, and thus knows darn well he's a cubi, cut him a break, as a definite creature.

Actually, Kria's 'evil' only from the standpoint of a being.  She doesn't 'kill for the fun of it', that we've noticed, really.  She simply doesn't consider it wrong to kill a being (or creature) who isn't powerful enough to stop her.  That's the creature ethics, in general, and it's not 'evil' to her, or to other creatures.
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Post by: GabrielsThoughts on January 23, 2007, 12:57:11 PM
ok I think the true solution here is that it is the banana/dragon who later impregnated Fa'lina which produced Pyroduck.
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Post by: Dard on January 23, 2007, 01:28:33 PM
Quote from: GabrielsThoughts on January 23, 2007, 12:57:11 PM
ok I think the true solution here is that it is the banana/dragon who later impregnated Fa'lina which produced Pyroduck.
From Pyroduck's Cast Page:
QuoteFamily:Adopted-Mother(Fa'Lina)
Title: Re: Abel's Story, 10/23/07 - Go on, Shoo.
Post by: Aridas on January 23, 2007, 01:33:43 PM
The way he said banana/dragon, I don't think he was being serious in the least.
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Post by: Pendolse on January 23, 2007, 01:59:51 PM
Abel seems to be missing his headwings
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Post by: superluser on January 23, 2007, 02:37:44 PM
Quote from: Keaton the Black Jackal on January 23, 2007, 11:25:40 AMI don't know, it seems like too easy of a loophole to try and hide one's clan marking.  I recall Aaryanna said that only 'really powerful Cubi' can alter or hide their clan markings, and I doubt Destania fits that insurmountable standard just yet.

Well, I do believe that Destania is the third-eldest of all the `cubi we've met so far.  If she doesn't fit into it, then who would?  And as I said above, there are some really easy ways to get around the clan marking thing.

Quote from: Keaton the Black Jackal on January 23, 2007, 11:25:40 AMAnd if it WERE Cindy, what about the body in the casket during the funeral?

Radial tires, like in that episode of Law and Order: SVU.

We only saw the closed casket.  It looked like the type that opens at the top, but that might just be gold embellishment.  Anyways, jumping off a clif to your death is going to cause some major cosmetic damage, and I'd be willing to bet that no one wants to see her with all the cuts and abrasions to her face.

But I think we're agreed that it's not Cindy.

Quote from: Tapewolf on January 23, 2007, 11:33:32 AMThe only potential flaw is the fact that Destania joined the Academy at around 25 (according to Fa'Lina), which would be before she was able to change her fur colour taking Abel's own ability at that (rough) age and his later description of how tricky it is.

Destania has no trouble changing forms.  Abel had no trouble reading minds before even learning how to do it.  Dan was able to change his headwings into moving shapes after one brief discussion with Abel. 

Abel appears to be quite adept at mindreading.  Maybe the Cyra gift is easy shapeshifting.

Quote from: Tapewolf on January 23, 2007, 11:33:32 AMOut of curiosity, are you studying literature or something?

Naw.  I just learn by osmosis.  I once had to force myself to stop memorizing the digits of pi because it's too addicting.
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Post by: Valynth on January 23, 2007, 03:33:08 PM
Quote from: superluser on January 23, 2007, 11:16:21 AM
Remember Tiresisas.  He was forcibly changed into a woman, and then didn't want to be changed back.

For one thing it's Tiresias

Actually, she/he eventually did want to turn back when she/he found the snakes coupling, she/he made sure to leave them alone.  Seeing that she/he had learnt his/her lesson, Hera returned him back to being a man.

Eventually he got caught up in a argument between Zeus and Hera about which gender had the most fun out of coupling.  In the end, they asked Tiresias since he had been both.  Knowing Zeus was the more powerful God, he went with women.  This sent Herra into a rage and she blinded Tiresias' eyes.  Zeus, taking pity on the man gave him immortality and the ability to see the future.

Unfortunately, this ends up being a curse since mortals should not be immortal so Tiresisas wanders the world till he winds up in Hades where he is found by Odysseus.  (this is the Odysseus version of Tiresias, there are many different versions with different views and morals.)
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Post by: Goatmon on January 23, 2007, 03:38:48 PM
Quote from: ShiningShadow on January 23, 2007, 10:20:02 AM
I don't know maybe she changes color when she needs to show her clan mark to others of the same clan. I think she is hiding it just to show that she is freindly and such to trust her without a doubt.

Dan inherited blue wings and headwings from his mother, which match her color just fine.  Sure, it's not written in stone that Destania is naturally blue, but that's still the most likely answer here.  Speculation is all fine and good when it comes to trying to figure out a mystery but questioning stuff that really hasn't given us any reason for doubt seems like a waste to me.
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Post by: superluser on January 23, 2007, 04:25:36 PM
Quote from: Valynth on January 23, 2007, 03:33:08 PMFor one thing it's Tiresias

Yeah.  I dunno how the second s got in there.  Or why Firefox accepted both spellings.  I do know that it doesn't like it when you misspell Nietzsche. :/

Quote from: Valynth on January 23, 2007, 03:33:08 PMActually, she/he eventually did want to turn back when she/he found the snakes coupling, she/he made sure to leave them alone.  Seeing that she/he had learnt his/her lesson, Hera returned him back to being a man.

It appears in the Metamorphoses that Tiresias does indeed do this.  As you note, there are quite a few different versions of the Tiresias story.  Bulfinch doesn't mention it, but there is a mention in the Library of Apollodorus about him being turned from man to woman and back again, and having liked love better as a woman.  I do seem to remember that there's at least one version of the story where he sees the snakes again and thinks, ``Whoa.  I'd better not touch them or else the gods will change me back into a man,'' and Hera thinks that he still wants to turn back, so she turns him back against his will.
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Post by: Zedd on January 23, 2007, 04:29:38 PM
Sides if anyone has any real proof going on here...Mail to 213-DU WERDEST EINE KRANKENSCHWESTER BRAUCHEN!!!  >:O
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Post by: Akisohida on January 23, 2007, 04:35:03 PM
Quote from: ShiningShadow on January 23, 2007, 12:30:28 PM
Quote from: Roureem Egas on January 23, 2007, 12:21:59 PM
Despite the fact that a marking is linked to magical powers and its usage, I highly doubt they change color to make it difficult to hide. Crests and symbols tend to be static.

Abel's hair is another thing.

But with Abel's hair I know it's a lot of work to keep that hair in that manner. I think Abel could do it with his training at SAIA he could pull this off with ease.

I think he was referring to the fact that Abels hair has brown tips and, if cut, the new ends become brown so he ALWAYS has brown ends to his hair.
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Post by: Tiger_T on January 23, 2007, 05:23:11 PM
Quote from: MT Hazard on January 23, 2007, 06:12:26 AM
. . .
One thing I'm wondering Is how on earth would you tattoo fur? Tattoos are usually beneath the skin. The answer is, inevitably, magic. Its like many religious texts (and sci-fi) one answer to many questions.
Quite easy. Use some chemicals to manipulate the roots of the hair where you want the furtoo. It'll make the hair grow in the color you want it to.

Quote from: llearch n'n'daCorna on January 23, 2007, 05:43:44 AM
Quote from: MT Hazard on January 23, 2007, 05:34:10 AM
I wonder if hair/fur dye would work.
According to what Amber has said on the forum, several times, "No."
As I understood it, you just can't alter it by magic means.
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Post by: Valynth on January 23, 2007, 06:02:50 PM
Quote from: superluser on January 23, 2007, 04:25:36 PM
I do seem to remember that there's at least one version of the story where he sees the snakes again and thinks, ``Whoa.  I'd better not touch them or else the gods will change me back into a man,'' and Hera thinks that he still wants to turn back, so she turns him back against his will.

*shrugs*  It's open to interpretation, but I think the person who said that primarily relyed on the answer he gave Zeus and Herra to reverse-engineer, if you will, Tiresias' opinion on the matter.  Frankly, I think it would be too convienent for Zeus' selection to match perfectly with Tiresias' observation.  I think Tiresias really thought that men and women have the same amount of joy, but sided with Zeus since Zeus is the most powerful deity in the Greek ordering of gods.
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Post by: ShiningShadow on January 23, 2007, 08:56:01 PM
Woah that is so cool I'm so confused  :B.
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Post by: Izkata on January 24, 2007, 01:35:02 PM
Quote from: Akisohida on January 23, 2007, 04:35:03 PM
Quote from: ShiningShadow on January 23, 2007, 12:30:28 PM
Quote from: Roureem Egas on January 23, 2007, 12:21:59 PM
Despite the fact that a marking is linked to magical powers and its usage, I highly doubt they change color to make it difficult to hide. Crests and symbols tend to be static.

Abel's hair is another thing.

But with Abel's hair I know it's a lot of work to keep that hair in that manner. I think Abel could do it with his training at SAIA he could pull this off with ease.

I think he was referring to the fact that Abels hair has brown tips and, if cut, the new ends become brown so he ALWAYS has brown ends to his hair.

Abel's profile says his hair's naturally like that - the ends automatically change when his hair is cut.  It's not something he controls.
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Post by: Sunblink on January 24, 2007, 02:24:37 PM
Oh my god. I just had a revelation.

What if it was Abel's Cubi parent who had killed Devin, Xander, and Glory's little party, and Kria is working for him/her? It wouldn't explain why he/she would want Abel dead, though, unless he/she had no idea that it was Abel that Kria had let go. That, or they didn't know that Abel was their son (in the scenario of the parent not being Cid or May).

~Keaton the Black Jackal
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Post by: ShiningShadow on January 24, 2007, 03:11:36 PM
Quote from: Keaton the Black Jackal on January 24, 2007, 02:24:37 PM
Oh my god. I just had a revelation.

What if it was Abel's Cubi parent who had killed Devin, Xander, and Glory's little party, and Kria is working for him/her? It wouldn't explain why he/she would want Abel dead, though, unless he/she had no idea that it was Abel that Kria had let go. That, or they didn't know that Abel was their son (in the scenario of the parent not being Cid or May).

~Keaton the Black Jackal

Maybe that scenario will work but who th e parent might be?
Title: Re: Abel's Story, 10/23/07 - Go on, Shoo.
Post by: superluser on January 24, 2007, 03:37:01 PM
Quote from: Keaton the Black Jackal on January 24, 2007, 02:24:37 PMWhat if it was Abel's Cubi parent who had killed Devin, Xander, and Glory's little party, and Kria is working for him/her? It wouldn't explain why he/she would want Abel dead, though, unless he/she had no idea that it was Abel that Kria had let go. That, or they didn't know that Abel was their son (in the scenario of the parent not being Cid or May).

Yeah.  I've been trying to avoid this theory.  I just don't think it's very likely.  Gary surely saw Abel, and unless he's taking some desperate measures to keep his family alive, you'd think that the speckles would remind him of May.

Gary's not one of the `cubi.  `cubi who haven't been to SAIA are probably liable to be hauled off to SAIA against their will, and any `cubi working with Kria are likely to be noticed.  Furthermore, any `cubi that have been to SAIA are probably likely to look kindly on newly-manifesting `cubi, if for no other reason than the fact that if Fa'Lina ever found out that they weren't, they would be dead.

That said, I don't think that he wants to kill Abel.  I think he recognizes that Abel's no threat, and is just ticked because Kria didn't do exactly what he ordered.
Title: Re: Abel's Story, 10/23/07 - Go on, Shoo.
Post by: llearch n'n'daCorna on January 24, 2007, 04:01:47 PM
Amber has said that SAIA doesn't usually haul Cubi off against their will - in fact, usually it's something the parents want the child to do, so...

Dan is an unusual case. Very unusual. And, as I understand it, as SAIA sees it, he's willing, just not very - after all, he filled in an application form, didn't he?
Title: Re: Abel's Story, 10/23/07 - Go on, Shoo.
Post by: Aridas on January 24, 2007, 04:07:15 PM
What's the unusual case about dan?
Title: Re: Abel's Story, 10/23/07 - Go on, Shoo.
Post by: superluser on January 24, 2007, 04:11:13 PM
Quote from: llearch n'n'daCorna on January 24, 2007, 04:01:47 PMDan is an unusual case. Very unusual. And, as I understand it, as SAIA sees it, he's willing, just not very - after all, he filled in an application form, didn't he?

See, that's just it.  I have a feeling that if `cubi start rampaging, they're liable to get applications filed in their names and wind up at SAIA for some re-education.

After all, if they start rampaging, some people might get the idea that `cubi enjoy rampaging in general, and that might lead right back to the state of affairs from before Fa'Lina founded SAIA.  It would be in SAIA's best interests to correct nefarious `cubi.

Quote from: Aridas Soulfire on January 24, 2007, 04:07:15 PMWhat's the unusual case about dan?

He didn't fill out his own application.
Title: Re: Abel's Story, 10/23/07 - Go on, Shoo.
Post by: Aridas on January 24, 2007, 04:18:30 PM
How do you know if others end up filling out their own applications, or they're "referred" by other people frequently?
Title: Re: Abel's Story, 10/23/07 - Go on, Shoo.
Post by: llearch n'n'daCorna on January 24, 2007, 06:40:11 PM
What's unusual about Dan is that he's not aware of what he is, and he's not willing to go to SAIA to learn more about his proud heritage (a la Aaryanna, in her gushier moments)
Title: Re: Abel's Story, 10/23/07 - Go on, Shoo.
Post by: superluser on January 24, 2007, 06:46:56 PM
Quote from: llearch n'n'daCorna on January 24, 2007, 06:40:11 PMWhat's unusual about Dan is that he's not aware of what he is, and he's not willing to go to SAIA to learn more about his proud heritage (a la Aaryanna, in her gushier moments)

But Dan did know that he was an incubus at the time that his application was submitted, and I suspect that quite a few people are unhappy to go to SAIA.  I think that Abel will be one of them.  It may have been the best option at the time, but I doubt that Abel will be happy to go there.
Title: Re: Abel's Story, 10/23/07 - Go on, Shoo.
Post by: veregawilks on January 25, 2007, 01:06:47 AM
Methinks it was Kria who killed Devin. After all, the attacks after Devin's frigid outburst changed in type from micrometeorites to the Eraser-esque beams- both seemed to be of similar power* (if in differing methods- implying differing preferences of their casters). And Kria lacks a scratch, indicating she was either NOT in the guard tower when it was blown up, or is immune to ice, shards, and splinters(I think she's already rather resilient towards normal damage). Besides, black-purple beams of death kinda suit Kria for long-range combat.

Logic says that the speaker is either A) a third member of this assault (and the leader, by his attitude towards Kria), or B) the first attacker, and either an ice elemental... thingy... or else wounded from being in the tower. (Still the leader/'superior' to Kria.)

And for all we know, it could be Regina. (She seems to be a bit young, though.)

To digress:

Quote from: Tapewolf on January 23, 2007, 10:20:43 AM
Yes, and I'd be interested to see her mark.  She certainly isn't blue for the express purpose of hiding it, otherwise she would have:

(A) Not gone waltzing around lost lake with her headwings and all (since that makes the mark kind of irrelevant)
(B) Have been a different colour inside SAIA

Doesn't the cast page indicate that Dan's clan trait are the Pip-heads on his tentacles? If that's the case, then he would have gotten them from Destiana if genetics have anything to do with it- I know, conventional biology doesn't exactly apply here, BUT you never see Alexsi with blue on her unless it appears in the form of paint, eyes or clothes.

Ergo, maybe Destiana's solid coloring is something akin to Mab's solid purple fur. Just something picked up from her parents, with nothing to do with the 'major' special markings(wings, fuzzy things on head, tendancy towards comedy/drama...)

(I should note that I fail to recall Amber mentioning anything about blue being a part of the trait for Destiana's clan.)
Title: Re: Abel's Story, 10/23/07 - Go on, Shoo.
Post by: ANTIcarrot on January 25, 2007, 02:35:40 AM
I'm going to peg the whole thing on Glory.

And why not? We're close to Abel's first home town. The one with the blue badger school head teacher who didn't like unusual children. Where Cindy apparently did not have a good life, and where she killed herself. (Allegedly.) Where moving to a demon town was considered preferable to Abel's parents. It may well be that there are those in that town who have a vested interest in maintaining that prejudice. And what maintains prejudice more than manufacturing a little evidence about how evil creatures are? And how better to do that than hire a creature to do some or all of the dirty work for you.

If the main comic and Abel's back story are supposed to resonate with each other, this would go hand in glove with Dan's 'Oh my god! I'm a racist!' moment.
Title: Re: Abel's Story, 10/23/07 - Go on, Shoo.
Post by: superluser on January 25, 2007, 04:46:34 AM
Quote from: ANTIcarrot on January 25, 2007, 02:35:40 AMAnd what maintains prejudice more than manufacturing a little evidence about how evil creatures are? And how better to do that than hire a creature to do some or all of the dirty work for you.

(http://www.frontiernet.net/~superluser/evil.jpeg)

I, however, don't think that that's the case.  You should leave at least one person alive to report back, and if that one person be always Glory, people will start to wonder if maybe she's exaggerating things for her own self-aggrandizement.

And then what would the point of running out to meet Abel & co.?  She could blast them from afar in total anonymity.
Title: Re: Abel's Story, 10/23/07 - Go on, Shoo.
Post by: Tapewolf on January 25, 2007, 05:13:58 AM
Quote from: veregawilks on January 25, 2007, 01:06:47 AM
Quote from: Tapewolf on January 23, 2007, 10:20:43 AM
Yes, and I'd be interested to see her mark.  She certainly isn't blue for the express purpose of hiding it, otherwise she would have:

(A) Not gone waltzing around lost lake with her headwings and all (since that makes the mark kind of irrelevant)
(B) Have been a different colour inside SAIA

Doesn't the cast page indicate that Dan's clan trait are the Pip-heads on his tentacles? If that's the case, then he would have gotten them from Destania if genetics have anything to do with it- I know, conventional biology doesn't exactly apply here, BUT you never see Alexsi with blue on her unless it appears in the form of paint, eyes or clothes.
Alexsi is Edward's child, though, not Dee's.


QuoteErgo, maybe Destania's solid coloring is something akin to Mab's solid purple fur. Just something picked up from her parents, with nothing to do with the 'major' special markings(wings, fuzzy things on head, tendancy towards comedy/drama...)

As I understand it, if a Being and a 'Cubi mate, the 'cubi offspring will mostly take after the Being.  What happens if both parents are 'cubi, I do not know.
Title: Re: Abel's Story, 10/23/07 - Go on, Shoo.
Post by: ShiningShadow on January 25, 2007, 07:21:39 AM
My feelings is going towards more to Glory> She has not been seen this long alive or dead I think she's alive and betrayed the whole group.
Title: Re: Abel's Story, 10/23/07 - Go on, Shoo.
Post by: ANTIcarrot on January 25, 2007, 08:02:53 AM
Quote from: superluser on January 25, 2007, 04:46:34 AMYou should leave at least one person alive to report back, and if that one person be always Glory, people will start to wonder if maybe she's exaggerating things for her own self-aggrandizement.

This is true. However I am not necessarily accusing Glory of being the master villain, but rather of being a brown-shirt. That the organisation she works for kills people to justify their existence (and presumably tax levels) to the communities that support them I'm assuming in this case they did not anticipate the arrival of some 'meddling kids', and had to improvise.
Title: Re: Abel's Story, 10/23/07 - Go on, Shoo.
Post by: ShiningShadow on January 25, 2007, 09:28:15 AM
BUt you never know what things will happen at DMFA what we miss will be the plot twist that Amber throws at us all the time.
Title: Re: Abel's Story, 10/23/07 - Go on, Shoo.
Post by: GabrielsThoughts on January 25, 2007, 02:20:02 PM
Quote from: ShiningShadow on January 24, 2007, 03:11:36 PM
Quote from: Keaton the Black Jackal on January 24, 2007, 02:24:37 PM
Oh my god. I just had a revelation.

What if it was Abel's Cubi parent who had killed Devin, Xander, and Glory's little party, and Kria is working for him/her? It wouldn't explain why he/she would want Abel dead, though, unless he/she had no idea that it was Abel that Kria had let go. That, or they didn't know that Abel was their son (in the scenario of the parent not being Cid or May).

~Keaton the Black Jackal

Maybe that scenario will work but who th e parent might be?

I like Cid for this scenario, but since it was mentioned, it will never occur, that is how Amber opperates.
Title: Re: Abel's Story, 10/23/07 - Go on, Shoo.
Post by: ShiningShadow on January 25, 2007, 02:53:37 PM
Quote from: GabrielsThoughts on January 25, 2007, 02:20:02 PM
Quote from: ShiningShadow on January 24, 2007, 03:11:36 PM
Quote from: Keaton the Black Jackal on January 24, 2007, 02:24:37 PM
Oh my god. I just had a revelation.

What if it was Abel's Cubi parent who had killed Devin, Xander, and Glory's little party, and Kria is working for him/her? It wouldn't explain why he/she would want Abel dead, though, unless he/she had no idea that it was Abel that Kria had let go. That, or they didn't know that Abel was their son (in the scenario of the parent not being Cid or May).

~Keaton the Black Jackal

Maybe that scenario will work but who th e parent might be?

I like Cid for this scenario, but since it was mentioned, it will never occur, that is how Amber opperates.


Hmmmmmmmmm? maybe your on the right track with that one. Amber has a habit to throw a curve at us all the time.
Title: Re: Abel's Story, 10/23/07 - Go on, Shoo.
Post by: veregawilks on January 25, 2007, 03:52:36 PM
Quote from: Tapewolf on January 25, 2007, 05:13:58 AM
Alexsi is Edward's child, though, not Dee's.

Sorry, my error; I should know better than to post on a forum after midnight.

Quote from: Tapewolf on January 25, 2007, 05:13:58 AM
As I understand it, if a Being and a 'Cubi mate, the 'cubi offspring will mostly take after the Being.  What happens if both parents are 'cubi, I do not know.

Okay, I'm not translating here... Time for an analogy. I'm referencing the fur color as something akin to human hair-color. Destiana picked up her blue coloring from her parents, irregardless of her succubi-dom - like [pulls a name out of his hat] Prince Allen having blue-black hair despite his parents being brown-haired. It has no relevancy to our gedanken prince's noble blood, just miscellaneous genetic transfer from his parents.

To digress again:

And I noticed the reference in the Wiku on our hero's potential symbol. I thought those things could be expressed in any number of ways (even the form of the wings or the shape of the pupil), but I guess Mab decided they'd be shiny furtoos for continuity. *shrugs*

(In a way, I hope he doesn't get it. It'd be too much of a char shift to be believable- especially if he has some sort of 'gift' for magic, or gets over his distaste of magic in just one storyline. I've seen that shtick too MANY times in bad fantasy fiction.)
Title: Re: Abel's Story, 10/23/07 - Go on, Shoo.
Post by: Magic on January 25, 2007, 04:42:47 PM
Quote from: superluser on January 22, 2007, 11:49:09 PM
Quote from: Alondro on January 22, 2007, 11:30:11 PM*Charles rampantly speculates!*  I suspect that it is in fact... Dr. Ink!

Nah.  Abel knows Ink.  He doesn't seem to have the sort of relationship that a near victim would have with his assailant.


That, and the usual 'evil gentlemanly Hannibal Lecter voice' speech balloons aren't present in the comic. Then again, that would be making it too obvious, wouldn't it?
Title: Re: Abel's Story, 10/23/07 - Go on, Shoo.
Post by: superluser on January 25, 2007, 06:23:03 PM
Quote from: Ink on January 25, 2007, 04:42:47 PMThat, and the usual 'evil gentlemanly Hannibal Lecter voice' speech balloons aren't present in the comic.

Funny.  I think someone else already mentioned that...

Quote from: superluser on January 22, 2007, 11:49:09 PMPlus Gary doesn't have the stochastic-shaded word balloons, so that rules him out entirely.

:P
Title: Re: Abel's Story, 10/23/07 - Go on, Shoo.
Post by: ShiningShadow on January 26, 2007, 08:15:07 AM
Well tommorrow we will have the answers to who is that mysterious voice. Alright place your names here before midnight so we could find out all together if we are right or wrong here's mine

1. Cindy
2. Xander
3. Glory

That's what I got so far from the story.
Title: Re: Abel's Story, 10/23/07 - Go on, Shoo.
Post by: Ted Schiller on January 26, 2007, 06:58:09 PM
Quote from: ShiningShadow on January 26, 2007, 08:15:07 AM
Well tommorrow we will have the answers to who is that mysterious voice. Alright place your names here before midnight so we could find out all together if we are right or wrong (snip)

Mab    :kittydevious

With regards,
Ted
Title: Re: Abel's Story, 10/23/07 - Go on, Shoo.
Post by: ShiningShadow on January 30, 2007, 02:54:24 PM
It's getting mysterious the voice is there but no face as of yet. I'm adding to this Dark Pegasus he might be the voice.
Title: Re: Abel's Story, 10/23/07 - Go on, Shoo.
Post by: Kenji on January 30, 2007, 03:43:00 PM
It's all just a plot by Amber to stall the radio projects. :D "Introduce lots of shadowy mysterious figures that may already exist in the comic!"
Title: Re: Abel's Story, 10/23/07 - Go on, Shoo.
Post by: ShiningShadow on January 31, 2007, 08:19:26 AM
they are other plausable theories I could throw at but right now I'm so exausted i'm taking a nap right now.
Title: Re: Abel's Story, 10/23/07 - Go on, Shoo.
Post by: Aridas on January 31, 2007, 01:14:49 PM
...Then don't say anything til then?