MGS5 *Cackling maniacly*

Teroniss · July 19, 2009, 10:54:36 PM

So, I got the latest Gamepro magazine yesterday, and was amusingly delighted by what I read.

MGS 5: Rising, featuring Raiden as the main character this time, is not only going to be on PS3, but the Xbox 360 as well. I can't help but cackle maniacly as I watch Sony's exclusive titles slowly fall away. All they need to lose now is the God of War exclusive rights, and it will be Sony's deathknell.

Kafzeil · July 20, 2009, 12:44:57 AM

Meh. I never understood why the console wars was more about hating the other side then, I don't know, playing your own.

I mean, remember when HD-DVD died? Before, you had supporters on both sides calling the other inferior at bets, and the supporters on the other nasty names at worst. When HD-DVD did die out, Bluray supporters went oddly quiet, as if unable to say anything great about there own.

Me? I still like my PS3 better then Xbox 360. Why? I don't know, not much on the 360 interests me that I can't get on PS3 or PC.

Janus Whitefurr · July 20, 2009, 02:09:42 AM

Why can't the Big Boss game be the next big one on the consoles. ;o;

I didn't mind Raiden as MGS2 protagonist, but as a supporting character the guy is just Trying Too Hard when it comes to being badass.

Ren Gaulen · July 20, 2009, 02:17:34 AM

Quote from: Janus Whitefurr on July 20, 2009, 02:09:42 AM
Why can't the Big Boss game be the next big one on the consoles. ;o;

I didn't mind Raiden as MGS2 protagonist, but as a supporting character the guy is just Trying Too Hard when it comes to being badass.

Blasphemer! Raiden's Sword-In-Teeth moment was one of the most epic scenes ever! I almost expected him to say "I am Raiden! The Sword of Solid Snake!"

(I hope you get the reference

)

Janus Whitefurr · July 20, 2009, 02:22:59 AM

Quote from: Ren Gaulen on July 20, 2009, 02:17:34 AM
Blasphemer! Raiden's Sword-In-Teeth moment was one of the most epic scenes ever! I almost expected him to say "I am Raiden! The Sword of Solid Snake!" (I hope you get the reference )

He's just never come across as a credible badass whenever he opens his mouth. Sure, some of the things he does are completely awesome, but the delivery on some of his lines is just atrocious. "JACK IS DEAD" comes to mind. Frankly I'd rate the second Vamp fight higher than sword-in-teeth even if it was hard to follow. Because at least he still had all of his limbs and it didn't look terribly contrived.

Sword-in-teeth made him look totally 'armless.

Ren Gaulen · July 20, 2009, 02:29:12 AM

Quote from: Janus Whitefurr on July 20, 2009, 02:22:59 AM
He's just never come across as a credible badass whenever he opens his mouth. Sure, some of the things he does are completely awesome, but the delivery on some of his lines is just atrocious. "JACK IS DEAD" comes to mind. Frankly I'd rate the second Vamp fight higher than sword-in-teeth even if it was hard to follow. Because at least he still had all of his limbs and it didn't look terribly contrived.

Sword-in-teeth made him look totally 'armless.

Well, both Raiden VS Vamp fights are bloody awesome. Also, that pun hurts my brain.

And also, now I am reminded of Snake and Ocelot's little exchange after the Gear fight: "Fox.." "..DIE!!

... Sorry, but it won't work this time!

" And also "Guns.. of the Patriots! *fingerbang*" I can't decide whether those were intended to be so hilarious.

Cvstos · July 20, 2009, 09:45:59 AM

God of War isn't going anywhere, since Sony themselves make that one.

Jack McSlay · July 20, 2009, 06:17:13 PM

That from a series that was supposed to end in the 3rd instalment

Teroniss · July 20, 2009, 07:23:34 PM

Well, i dunno, if Sony DOES die out by some off chance, its more likely that Microsoft will get the rights to it than Nintendo. >.>

Janus Whitefurr · July 20, 2009, 10:45:13 PM

I've never understood the massive hate-on people seem to have for Sony. I swear it's up there with "Micro$oft" and people complaining about Electronic Arts.

Also, console exclusivity is balls anyway and needs to go. Crossplatform is good. (And then Janus got lynched by everyone.)

Kafzeil · July 20, 2009, 10:57:49 PM

Quote from: Teroniss on July 20, 2009, 07:23:34 PM
Well, i dunno, if Sony DOES die out by some off chance, its more likely that Microsoft will get the rights to it than Nintendo. >.>

But what's more likely is GoWII will never get released. Period. Technical issues with porting, considering the game is being built from the ground up for the PS3 and PS3 only, porting it might not go over so well. Plus, there's a good chance Microsoft won't want the rights or SCE won't sell them.

And I'm with Janus on this. Why can't Peace Walker get a console release? Big Boss is just to awesome to stay on the PSP.

Teroniss · July 20, 2009, 11:48:06 PM

Quote from: Janus Whitefurr on July 20, 2009, 10:45:13 PM
I've never understood the massive hate-on people seem to have for Sony. I swear it's up there with "Micro$oft" and people complaining about Electronic Arts.

Also, console exclusivity is balls anyway and needs to go. Crossplatform is good. (And then Janus got lynched by everyone.)

Its the fact that Sony had a decent concept when building their system and made several mistakes that overshadowed the good thing they had going when they made the PS2, screwing up the PS3's overall potential.

I speak of course of 3 key mistakes in both design and marketing.
1. Making the system exclusively Bluray based in both movies and games. Bluray is a great format, don't get me wrong, but most of the people who purchase a PS3 will be doing so either for a fairly younger individual, or have a fairly young individual in the household, which is suicide for Bluray discs, as most younger players don't take very good care of their games. The way Bluray is made, even a small scratch renders the disc unplayable and unfixable, making it into a $60 coaster. Also, most stores that sell PS3 games will not replace broken discs.

2. Taking away the backwards compatiblity of the PS2 games, of which it has a games
library of 1,000+ games including imports, severely limited the overall marketing
of the PS3 compared to both the Wii and 360, which have near full backwards compatibility.

3. Constantly changing the HD sizes and prices instead of keeping with a set of standard
sizes and price, on top of the high price of the lowest tier console itself draws away from
the advantages of the system overall. Why buy an extremely high priced console when you can buy the competition's second tier console and a couple of games from the same price?

(Don't get me wrong. I love the PS2 and PS1, and thought both were great systems. Hell, I even like the PSP. But when it comes to the PS3, Sony was just plain stupid in their design and marketing....I assure you, my hate for it is not generic console fanboism...)

techmaster-glitch · July 21, 2009, 12:54:01 AM

Quote from: Teroniss on July 20, 2009, 11:48:06 PM
[clip]stuff about the PS3[/clip]

I am reminded of certain song, thanks to this piece...

Keep in mind though that the song is old, made when the PS3 origiannly came out, so a few points are now obsolete. But it's still funny. (Strangely enough, the guy said he was going to do a 360 version, which I was actually looking forward to, but...he doesn't seem to have gotten around to it

)

Janus Whitefurr · July 21, 2009, 01:25:55 AM

@Teroniss

1) That sounds like an unfair generalisation of the purchasing base - most of the people I see buying PS3 games are in their late teens/young adulthood, at least around here. I'm fairly sure it's not just Australia, but most games-based shops - ie, your local EB or its equivalent - has a warranty/guarantee about disc damage that lasts for a good while after you get it. More general stores don't do this, that I can agree with, heh.

2) Objection! Backwards compatibility exists with the PS3, at least in the model I have. Even if the PAL version does it with software instead of the hardware that the other early models use - however, I just know the non-PAL version does it differently, so I may have that in reverse. But the POINT is backwards compatibility is still there and still works. It can be -unstable-,but the fact remains it's in and a good percent of the time it doesn't explode into giblets when you use it. Of course, if they've dropped it from -future- versions of the console, then it's silly.

3) I can't really make an argument for this one, as I had a PS3 at launch before it all happened (even if it was paid off over several months beforehand. And cost $1000AUD). Ah well. *shrug* As for your presumably rhetorical question about the high price of the console? The competition might not have a game gallery you're interested in. For instance, I've not seen anything interesting on the Xbox that didn't later hit the PC, and I play all of two games on the family Wii :b (Though if cross-platforming ever becomes the norm, that argument gets a kick that in its proverbial rear end)

Though I can't go shopping around for all the data I'd need on the other two (read: I'm lazy, and just kind of being annoyed over the whole SONYHAET thing), I highly doubt Microsoft and Nintendo are peerless and flawless in their work either. The way I see half these arguments go, Sony is like the huge devil of the gaming industry, kind of like how everyone points their finger at Microsoft when it comes to Windows as an OS.

Also, personal opinion/decisions rock. I'll shut up now, so everyone can tl;dr. *sagenod*

llearch n'n'daCorna · July 21, 2009, 04:29:51 AM

Janus:

For my part, I avoid Sony because their part in DRM annoys me.

That and my brother bought a laptop off them, and their support basically consisted of "pay to post it to us, and we'll sit on it for 6 weeks, then wipe the hdd and reinstall"... for a hardware fault in the hdd. I think it was the third time it went back that they actually replaced the hdd with one that worked (although they might have replaced the hdd both the other times. Without saving any of the contents, despite claiming they would.

Given he was attempting to work off the laptop in question, 6 weeks without a brand new laptop is a little bit excessive. I remember him frothing at the mouth, figuratively speaking, for some time...

But, having said that, it's simply a preference on my part, and I'm not going to go out of my way; so far, every time I've considered them, I've excluded them from the list for other reasons - more expensive hardware, does less, less quality, just to have a big logo on the outside - so it's a bit of a null argument anyway...

Valynth · July 21, 2009, 05:29:26 AM

hmmmm, and here I thought Kojima wanted to kill this series in order to work on other games...

I guess the money won out after MGS1.... Though Snake Eater was very good and I've heard Guns of the Patriots was passable, but had a problem or two with forced shooter moments and overly long/nonsensical/repetitious plot.

So it might be good enough to revive the series, or it might be the death knell of it....

And damn it I want to play it regardless..... Kojima's a brilliant and devious man..... And a clear threat to my overly complicated world domination scheme....

Teroniss · July 21, 2009, 09:08:33 AM

1. Yes, Gamestop/EB Games will replace broken games, up to 30 days after purchase. Any damage after that and you're SoL. Other stores, aka Target, Walmart and Best Buy, won't even do that cuz of processing fees associated with it. (Also, even older teens show far less respect for games than I would favor for PS3 discs....)

2. Currently available regularly in the US market are the 80gb and 160gb systems, niether of which have PS2 backwards compatibility, legally (hacked systems might, but I'm not including those in this debate). The other systems that are somewhat available are refurbished, and are only the newer versions of the 20gb and 40gb. Again, not BWC. Now, I dont know what software you refer to, but thus far, I have not seen anything in the US versions that would suggest software upgrades that would allows for playing PS2 games.

Also, one other note I forgot about. Pre-installing games to the HDD in order to play. While I can understand where Sony was coming from when they made that feature, its my opinion that it should've been optional. At 2-4gb a pop, even with an 80gb system, with 10 games, you've used up 25-50% of the capacity, not to mention the time it takes to install those games onto the HDD.

Janus Whitefurr · July 21, 2009, 09:31:37 AM

llearch:
Yay, you hate Sony for legitimate reasons! ;p I'm fairly sure this thread so far is the most verbose discussion I've had on someone hating the Sony/PS3 in a while. Most people take the "CONSOLE HAET" fanboy route.

Teroniss:
1. We must be a dying breed. Or endangered at best. I swear, anyone of a decent age actually takes care of their discs. Maybe -I'm- overgeneralising with that one. Anyway, all discs are damagable, be they PS3, Xbox, or Wii. So... I lost the point somewhere, nevermind.

2. I swear to god the early models had some sort of hardware processor for backwards compatible gaming, and when they got ported to the PAL region we got some sort of software emulation instead. I was reading wiki and news all the time -before- the PS3 came out, so if that changed somewhere along the line, it sucks. All I can tell you is that my PS3 plays PS2 games, the majority of them decently, and some occasionally bug out.

As for pre-installs, I actually haven't seen many games USE it. I'd hazard... hmm.... maybe a two in five rate of games that require hard drive installs, but that comes from personal experience. And some (Valkyria Chronicles and Ninja Gaiden Sigma provide the only examples I've ever seen) actually have an "install" button on the main screen, if you want to dump the info on the HDD. The time it TAKES to install that stuff on the other hand....

AND. ROLLING BACK TO THE TOPIC THE THREAD WAS MADE FOR *ahem* Valynth:
It's popular knowledge, so far as I recall for anyone who's an avid fan of the series, that the entirety of MGS2 is basically Kojima's "FFF" at the fans for wanting him to make a sequel. And, fans being fans... it... uh... didn't work. They just wanted more. And so they got more. And then the plot went flying off into crazy land where it's stayed ever since.

Teroniss · July 21, 2009, 09:55:20 AM

Quote
1. We must be a dying breed. Or endangered at best. I swear, anyone of a decent age actually takes care of their discs. Maybe -I'm- overgeneralising with that one. Anyway, all discs are damagable, be they PS3, Xbox, or Wii. So... I lost the point somewhere, nevermind.

Yea, you lost the point

The point is that Bluray format stores information on the entire disk, unlike regular CD which only store data on the topmost layer. The difference this causes is that the silicon on CD's can be repaired using certain buffing tools and resurfacing material that some stores such as Tagret sell (or by going to somewhere like Play'n'Trade, who does $1 resurfacing) You can't do that with Bluray discs, which is why they become $60 coasters if they get scratched.

Also, only 2 systems had full backwards compatibility. The original 60gb, and I think either the first release 20gb or 40gb, can't remember which. (Niether of which is carried by anyone anymore, except a rare occasion when someone brings one in used. Or eBay)

Valynth · July 21, 2009, 06:28:20 PM

Quote from: Janus Whitefurr on July 21, 2009, 09:31:37 AM
AND. ROLLING BACK TO THE TOPIC THE THREAD WAS MADE FOR *ahem* Valynth:
It's popular knowledge, so far as I recall for anyone who's an avid fan of the series, that the entirety of MGS2 is basically Kojima's "FFF" at the fans for wanting him to make a sequel. And, fans being fans... it... uh... didn't work. They just wanted more. And so they got more. And then the plot went flying off into crazy land where it's stayed ever since.

Well, the thing is, I believe that when he worked on MGS2, he was still a part of Sony and they were making him work on the game. Thing is, he now has his own game company (Kojima productions) and can then technically work on any game project he wants. This, of course, is probably also the reason why the series is no longer a Sony exclusive.

It just strikes me as odd that he'd keep a series that he dislikes going when he can pull the plug at any moment.

Janus Whitefurr · July 21, 2009, 07:27:34 PM

Quote from: Teroniss on July 21, 2009, 09:55:20 AM
Also, only 2 systems had full backwards compatibility. The original 60gb, and I think either the first release 20gb or 40gb, can't remember which. (Niether of which is carried by anyone anymore, except a rare occasion when someone brings one in used. Or eBay)

I'll check my console when I get back home, since I'm currently not there right now. I'm fairly sure it's 80gb with backwards compatibility. I'll get back to you on that. *nod* I'm curious about this now :b

Cvstos · July 21, 2009, 09:39:54 PM

Three PS3 systems had backwards compatibility.

The original 20GB and 60GB systems had full backwards compatibility. The original 80GB system (4USB ports on the front) has significant backwards compatibility as well, although it couldn't play as many of the games as the other two.

The new 80GB (2USB ports), the 40GB, and the 160GB models do not have backwards compatibility.

Thankfully, I have the original 60GB model.

Also, it appears that Sony is trying to get software emulation abilities for the PS3 so all models can play PS2 games. See this patent: http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/30/sony-patents-new-cell-based-ps2-emulator/