05/15/09 [Abel 2 #55] - Massacre

[Jairus]

You won't see me shed tears for Siar(didn't like the bastards from the start), but seeing Fa'lina so sad(top panel) touches something in me enough to wish things had gone differently. Damn Siar!

We do have word that at least some of them were decent people. (Probably more so than Fa'Lina.)

"Her children were many" indeed.

Ah, there we go. Not only an explanation of how their numbers got so big, but also a feasible explanation why a dragon might have a bone to pick with them. And also where a dragon might have gotten enough allies to kill two thousand cubi of varying power levels and ages: if it was Cubi that Hizell got as allies, then it was because of jealousy for Siar prospering during the Cubi wars when so many other clans were ruined, and if it was other magical beings it was for traveling around causing woe and misfortune in search of a good misery high.

Show of hands: Who else wants to hear the Boring History?

I do! *raises hand*

[KelseyPotter]

Show of hands: Who else wants to hear the Boring History?

*raises hand*

Whether Edward is Aniz or not, I have a sneaking suspicion that this is at least part of the reason why Dee is fighting for the obliteration of dragonkind...

[Starcat5]

Show of hands: Who else wants to hear the Boring History?

After ticking off one of the admins with my last post, I'm kind of in a self-imposed "Leave of Absence" until I have the site rules memorized as well as I have the DMFA rules. (To tell the truth, until this happened, I had not actually read the site rules, being buried as they are, and have been relying on common sense as well as the local Rule list ever sense the migration to the Mansion. Frankly, I'm lucky I lasted as long as I did.)

That being said, however, I am compelled to add my vote for more sweet, succulent, life giving backstory. 

[Naldru]

Fa'lina said that two were alive at the end of the second day.  She didn't say that both of them were alive at the end of the week.  I suppose that next week we'll find out how Aniz was kept alive.

[Tapewolf]

Fa'lina said that two were alive at the end of the second day.  She didn't say that both of them were alive at the end of the week.  I suppose that next week we'll find out how Aniz was kept alive.

From what Fa'Lina said, it looks like it was because he remained in SAIA where the Dragons couldn't get at him.  Dunno about the other one.

[Buhamet]

I wouldn't be surprised if the other Sair clan member was somehow killed off for various reasons. Judging by the (quite frankly) morbid storyline, I'm expecting it.

That would make Abel and Aniz the last two of their clan, as people would expect. However, it's hard to tell if it'd cause Abel to be the Soul survivor of his clan in the present day comic arc, due to various different complexities (I'm thinking of the Edward-Aniz theory for a starter here).

Aniz is probably insane for the reasons stated, and that after rehab he decided that he wants to restore his clan. in Either case, Sair as a clan is practically dead, and is seemingly doomed to remain so

[Arcblade]

Show of hands: Who else wants to hear the Boring History?

(raises both hands) 

Seriously, history of something I care about ≠ (does not equal) boring.

[Lisky]

am i the only person who suddenly thought of (NSFW, violence and language) this scene, from Boondock Saints while reading that? 

[Corgatha Taldorthar]

If there's one martial theme Amber seems to like expounding, it's that preperations wins fights. I got the impression from the previous week's comic that this was some sort of chance happening, or mutual surprise. Now it seems more like Hizell had some deathtrap set up for the Siar clan. Makes you wonder what the grudge was, and how Siar managed to fall into it.

[Tapewolf]

Show of hands: Who else wants to hear the Boring History?

Depends what'd be on offer.
This strip is probably one of the saddest strips in the whole backstory, so I'm a little torn.
Would I like to learn more about the Dragon Wars from a historical point of view?  Hell yes.
Would I like to learn in graphic detail about the genocide of pretty much an entire clan?  Probably not.

[OminousShadow]

I can just see that somewhere in a future strip that Edward turns out to be Aniz and then both Abel and Dan end up having a Jyrrus-Style brain failure.

[Angel]

...Wow. Well, my first reaction was "He should have been more sympathetic to Fa'Lina before running his mouth off about which clans can't save the others from genocide." But God. This is awful.

Show of hands: Who else wants to hear the Boring History?

Meee. (handraise) Mostly because even though we know now that the hatred between dragons and 'Cubi is centuries old, i wanna know who started it. Did Cyra steal a pig or something?

[Sunblink]

Oh wow.

This comic disturbed the bejeesus out of me. Hizell's a jerk.

You won't see me shed tears for Siar(didn't like the bastards from the start), but seeing Fa'lina so sad(top panel) touches something in me enough to wish things had gone differently. Damn Siar!

We do have word that at least some of them were decent people. (Probably more so than Fa'Lina.)

"Her children were many" indeed.

Not to mention, Hizell's forces wiped out infants.

[Feather Dancer]

Hey I love history I'm game.

I now wanna do more Siar fanart but still trying to fix my tablet

[Kuari]

Love the history lesson...  and this is why you don't attack head on if your group specializes in stealth. :p

[Tapewolf]

Love the history lesson...  and this is why you don't attack head on if your group specializes in stealth. :p

Given the horrible lengths the dragons went to, I suspect they started it, not her.

[terrycloth]

Yeah, it did say it was her 'Last Stand' against Hizell, and not her 'Attack On'.

[Garsemor]

Suddenly the taught of Dee doing a genocide of th Dragon race doesn't seem so bad. It's still a horrible thing and shouldn't be done or even talked about but deep down I feel like they would deserve it.

[Naldru]

That would make Abel and Aniz the last two of their clan, as people would expect. However, it's hard to tell if it'd cause Abel to be the Soul survivor of his clan in the present day comic arc, due to various different complexities (I'm thinking of the Edward-Aniz theory for a starter here).

Even if Edward is Aniz, Dan would still be part of the Cyra clan, not the Siar clan.  And the fact that Abel has raised being alone to an art form makes it hard for me to imagine Abel having kids.  Given the tone of the story, the only way I could see Abel having kids would be if the dragons killed them off when they were but wee youths.  That would put Aniz and Abel in almost the same position of being head cases.

What I was wondering was that there probably members of the Siar clan who had had children where the other parent was of a more powerful clan.  The children would therefore not have been in the Siar clan.  Would these children have been killed by the psychic massacre as well as those who were actual members of the Siar clan.

[Tapewolf]

What I was wondering was that there probably members of the Siar clan who had had children where the other parent was of a more powerful clan.  The children would therefore not have been in the Siar clan.  Would these children have been killed by the psychic massacre as well as those who were actual members of the Siar clan.

It doesn't sound to me like they poisoned the clan link to kill them, if that's what you're thinking, but to find out where they were so they could go and kill them by hand.
Note how Fa'Lina puts it "Track down the entire bloodline", and also the bit at the end about how the dragons would have stormed SAIA if they had been able to get into it.

As for whether children of a Siar 'Cubi and a stronger clan would also be tracked is unclear.

[Jairus]

Suddenly the taught of Dee doing a genocide of th Dragon race doesn't seem so bad. It's still a horrible thing and shouldn't be done or even talked about but deep down I feel like they would deserve it.

Who's "they?" Hizell and his allies? That's not the dragon race. I mean, maybe it's the dragon fanboy in me speaking, but it's not like the entire dragon race rose up as one to kill all of clan Siar. It was Hizell who had the grudge with Siar and planned the trap that led to Siar's death and the clan's destruction. Not the dragons as a whole. I mean, we don't even know if Hizell's allies were dragons or something else, but it certainly wasn't the entire dragon race, or Fa'Lina would have said that.

Besides which, I'm sure the Cubi were no better during the war. For all we know, the Cubi did it to the dragons and their own race. Hell, Hizell might just have learned a trick from the Cubi.

What I was wondering was that there probably members of the Siar clan who had had children where the other parent was of a more powerful clan.  The children would therefore not have been in the Siar clan.  Would these children have been killed by the psychic massacre as well as those who were actual members of the Siar clan.

It doesn't sound to me like they poisoned the clan link to kill them, if that's what you're thinking, but to find out where they were so they could go and kill them by hand.
Note how Fa'Lina puts it "Track down the entire bloodline", and also the bit at the end about how the dragons would have stormed SAIA if they had been able to get into it.

As for whether children of a Siar 'Cubi and a stronger clan would also be tracked is unclear.

To be fair, Fa'Lina says "He would have stormed the gates," not "they would have stormed the gates," implying Hizell and his allies, not the entire dragon race. I think Hizell just wanted to make sure that Siar was gone for good, not kill every single Cubi there. Though, given the chance and the old enmity between Cubi and Dragons, I wouldn't put it past him to do a little extra damage...

[Azlan]

I'm fairly certain Siar deserved it, most of her clan too, I applaud Hizell on being as thorough as he could be in this.

[Keleth]

I'm fairly certain Siar deserved it, most of her clan too, I applaud Hizell on being as thorough as he could be in this.

I see what you did thar

[insidexml]

I want to see how Aniz will react to the news.

That, and the fate of that other clan member that survived.

[Aganerral]

I still can't buy the Edward = Aniz line of thought.  Rhe only way it works is that if Dee knew that that was the case and wanted to get back together with him.  The 2 major flaws are:

1) Aniz' main goal appears to be to do what he can to rebuild his clan.  But Dee is almost definitely a more powerful cubi than he is (allowing for the chance that in the nearly 400 years between Abvel's Story and now he leveled up enough, but that seems unlikely), so any cubi kids would be Cyra not Siar.

2) I can't see him fooling her.  I don't see Dee falling in love and marrying a supposed being that a) keeps mind shields up all the time even around her and b) always keeps his left wrist covered.  She seems too on top of things (and skilled in all things devious herself) to not suspect something.

Of course, that's all out the window if they set this plan up at some point

[Pagan]

Would I like to learn more about the Dragon Wars from a historical point of view?  Hell yes.
Would I like to learn in graphic detail about the genocide of pretty much an entire clan?  Probably not.

Just think, we might be getting a fresher genocide in the main comic. Not just of a clan, not of a "nationality," or a subsection of a species, but full extinction of an entire race. Probably a glossed version because of the rating of the main comic, but full genocide is still looming. How will we view Destania when all the Dragons are dead and gone?

[Raffe]

Anyone else thinking the other survivor might be at SAIA?

[Lucheek]

Wow... what a tragic act indeed. I know that Siar's clan isn't real.... but it kind of puts into perspective the sheer volume of horrible killings through life.

[Keleth]

Wow... what a tragic act indeed. I know that Siar's clan isn't real.... but it kind of puts into perspective the sheer volume of horrible killings through life.

Yeah, nothin like the holocaust or the mass graves in the middle east eh? 

[Naldru]

As far as personal vendettas go, take a look at Liver Eating Johnson.  I forget where I heard it, but I remember a person once saying "All an eye for an eye gets you in end is a bunch of blind people."