14/05/08 [Hybrids #05] - No cute athro dolphins

[Brunhidden]

another approach would be the 'mule' concept- lets say species A and B can breed, but it produces species C instead of either A or B, and species C cant breed with jack squat, not even other C's

yeah, for those of you who don't use the animal husbandry skill in a vigorous manner- when you breed a horse with a donkey you get a mule, which has some positive traits from both parents, but is completely sterile

[Amber Williams]

1:  I dont really bother with much in regards to different species, (IE: dogs pairing up with cats) and tend to just draw whatever looks well.  Which means sometimes one side will act dominant (Example: Lorenda has her fathers bovine frame, but her mothers colouring and traits)  Where as other times I may mesh the two into something.  I dont really consider being/being of two different animal types hybrids at this point.

2: The lists in the Hybrid Genetic comics I am making are what can actually happen. These are more or less, written in stone.  This isnt a list of what exists already, but just what is done. So if it isnt on the half-breed list, they cannot have a half-breed...no if/ands/buts.  There are some things even magic cant do.  While there may be relationships between non-halfbreed compatible races, children are a no-option. 

And believe me, there are many instances where even though two are half-breed compatible, the races dont get along enough so there isnt really any.  But the possibility is there and that is what I am covering.

I am finding Turnsky has left the possibility open for a half-breed, but keeps insinuating that it is impossible because of the two races disdain for eachother.  To me, that is a mistake...unless Turnsky secretly does want half-breeds of the two to exist.  Because if he leaves the option open, of course people are going to take it and make exceptions to its case.  I have found in my internet travels that is simply a lot easier to either flat out say "no. These two races cannot have kids. End of story." or leave the half-breed option available but give a note that its rare.  Cause the harder one tries to imply that a half-breed between two races that hate eachother is...the more tasty and appetizing it will look to people who want to make a cool character with a tragic backstory.

[Alterationartist]

NUUUUUUU!!! T.T

No cute anthro dolphins T.T

[Alondro]

Genetics and physiology usually mean no half-breeds for most things, unless the species has incredible magical abilities which make it possible by bypassing genetics, or manipulating the genes of the interbreeding species into a compatible form.   

Magic solves everything!  That's why you can always say for something that seems illogical in a story, "A wizard did it!"   

[Psaakyrn]

Genetics and physiology usually mean no half-breeds for most things, unless the species has incredible magical abilities which make it possible by bypassing genetics, or manipulating the genes of the interbreeding species into a compatible form.   

Magic solves everything!  That's why you can always say for something that seems illogical in a story, "A wizard did it!"   

Except that for all intents and purposes, the child can probably be considered a construct, rather than an offspring, of the parents.

[Alterationartist]

...wow... there is a very thim line between magic and genetics...

[Tapewolf]

1:  I dont really bother with much in regards to different species, (IE: dogs pairing up with cats) and tend to just draw whatever looks well.  Which means sometimes one side will act dominant (Example: Lorenda has her fathers bovine frame, but her mothers colouring and traits)  Where as other times I may mesh the two into something.  I dont really consider being/being of two different animal types hybrids at this point.

Thanks for the detailed reply.  Since it seems to be artistically motivated rather than rule-based, I'll take that as 'undefined' 

Genetics and physiology usually mean no half-breeds for most things, unless the species has incredible magical abilities which make it possible by bypassing genetics, or manipulating the genes of the interbreeding species into a compatible form.

Well, we are talking about a story which has sapient animals, so hard science can be considered something of a luxury...

Somewhat off-topic, but out of morbid curiosity I managed to locate a Doberman-Husky hybrid:
http://www.dogfriendly.com/server/general/gallery/images/duke.jpg (direct to image)
http://www.dogfriendly.com/server/general/gallery/photos8.shtml (page)

[Raffe]

On the topic of hybrids, can Deebs make a hybrid?

[Amber Williams]

A good rule of thumb is that I try to follow science when I can, but when it is more complex than my own understanding, magic will usually fill the gaps.

And a good joke or neat design trumps even that.

[terrycloth]

Since it's the catchall category, is Deebs a mythos? Or because she's created life, would she count as the undead?

[Ren Gaulen]

Since it's the catchall category, is Deebs a mythos? Or because she's created life, would she count as the undead?

I would just classify Deebs as a construct, because she is an artificial life form. She cannot be related to any of the existing races, after all..

[llearch n'n'daCorna]

I don't know that I'd go so far as "cannot" - I'd settle for "probably not, although it's a bit vague and handwavey, and you might say related to the kangaroo rat himself, in a way."

Which is a heck of a mouthful...

[Ren Gaulen]

..and you might say related to the kangaroo rat himself, in a way..

Yeah, in a philosophical kind of way. By the way, does anybody remember that Jyrras apparently created some kind of an AI?

[llearch n'n'daCorna]

..and you might say related to the kangaroo rat himself, in a way..

Yeah, in a philosophical kind of way. By the way, does anybody remember that Jyrras apparently created some kind of an AI?

Oh, no, not philosophical. Remember, Deebs is made from chewing gum. Specifically, chewing gum that Jyrras himself has chewed; I believe Amber mentioned that he can add to her mass by chewing on gum and then giving it to her, but just giving her more gum doesn't work.

So there's an element of Jy-Jy's DNA involved.


And yes, I remember Deeb's sibling. I'm awaiting official learning of what she or he looks like, what gender he or she has decided to be (it's not clear from the comic, although I seem to recall a Jy pic that had the little AI lurking around in it; I just don't recall what it looked like, off the top of my head), and how Jy is dealing with it.


Given his current progress with Abel and Lorenda, I'd say by standing in a river in Egypt... ;-]

[Ren Gaulen]

Oh, no, not philosophical. Remember, Deebs is made from chewing gum. Specifically, chewing gum that Jyrras himself has chewed; I believe Amber mentioned that he can add to her mass by chewing on gum and then giving it to her, but just giving her more gum doesn't work.

So there's an element of Jy-Jy's DNA involved.

Interesting. I didn't know that. It actually makes sense.

And yes, I remember Deeb's sibling. I'm awaiting official learning of what she or he looks like, what gender he or she has decided to be.

Deebs calls the AI a sister right in that strip. Then again, we are talking about an AI here, so it can't be that easy to tell.

Given his current progress with Abel and Lorenda, I'd say by standing in a river in Egypt... ;-]

Why does it make me sing "Row, row, fight the power"?.. But you're right. De Nile is made for Jyrras.

[Raffe]

I'm remembering that along with chewing gum and J-DNA, she also incorporated pure magic. So would it have to be with another highly magical race? Or is the magic just the bond that binds her together?

Or come to think of it, this would be 'unkown' on all counts.
(....unless theres some crazy action thats not in the comic...but Deebs isn't like that, right?)

[RobbieThe1st]

1:  I dont really bother with much in regards to different species, (IE: dogs pairing up with cats) and tend to just draw whatever looks well.  Which means sometimes one side will act dominant (Example: Lorenda has her fathers bovine frame, but her mothers colouring and traits)  Where as other times I may mesh the two into something.  I dont really consider being/being of two different animal types hybrids at this point.

2: The lists in the Hybrid Genetic comics I am making are what can actually happen. These are more or less, written in stone.  This isnt a list of what exists already, but just what is done. So if it isnt on the half-breed list, they cannot have a half-breed...no if/ands/buts.  There are some things even magic cant do.  While there may be relationships between non-halfbreed compatible races, children are a no-option. 

And believe me, there are many instances where even though two are half-breed compatible, the races dont get along enough so there isnt really any.  But the possibility is there and that is what I am covering.

First off, that you are doing it this way is very good and as you are covering all possibilities, we fans know what fan characters can be made, with no confusion causing problems. Go Amber!

I am finding Turnsky has left the possibility open for a half-breed, but keeps insinuating that it is impossible because of the two races disdain for eachother.  To me, that is a mistake...unless Turnsky secretly does want half-breeds of the two to exist.  Because if he leaves the option open, of course people are going to take it and make exceptions to its case.  I have found in my internet travels that is simply a lot easier to either flat out say "no. These two races cannot have kids. End of story." or leave the half-breed option available but give a note that its rare.  Cause the harder one tries to imply that a half-breed between two races that hate eachother is...the more tasty and appetizing it will look to people who want to make a cool character with a tragic backstory.

I laughed out loud at this because Turnsky and I had a heated IRC discussion about this very thing. I kept coming up with implausible ways for Hairless-species-'Cubi to happen, and he basically wrote that paragraph because of me(He had something more simple and much less definite before).
(Anyone else wondering about the information in question: http://www.ariannia.com/races/cubi/ bottom of the page).

Of cource, now that this is brought up, one *does* wonder if such a hybrid* would be extremely powerful, which is why its forbidden! Fan-fic time!
*If it can't be done naturally, I guess you just need a crazy scientist and a bunch of cloning equipment, creating the hybrid from scratch!

<_< I shouldn't start thinking about such things... I keep coming up with implausible(but not impossible) ideas, even now!


-RobbieThe1st

[Raffe]

hmmm...Cubi traits seem to pop over anything else, so would their genetic makeup pretty much just code for magic?  So is being a Cubi a largely magical state? If it is Jyrras should definitely separate it out(like he did for pure magic) so he can turn others Cubi/turn Cubi non.
(Cubi Deebs shall rule the world...yesss)

[Sid]

And yes, I remember Deeb's sibling. I'm awaiting official learning of what she or he looks like, what gender he or she has decided to be (it's not clear from the comic, although I seem to recall a Jy pic that had the little AI lurking around in it; I just don't recall what it looked like, off the top of my head), and how Jy is dealing with it.

I think you mean this image. Not sure whether or not helps in the gender-issue, though. Also not sure if that pic should be considered canon (except maybe far-future canon, considering his outfit).

[Turnsky]

I am finding Turnsky has left the possibility open for a half-breed, but keeps insinuating that it is impossible because of the two races disdain for eachother.  To me, that is a mistake...unless Turnsky secretly does want half-breeds of the two to exist.  Because if he leaves the option open, of course people are going to take it and make exceptions to its case.  I have found in my internet travels that is simply a lot easier to either flat out say "no. These two races cannot have kids. End of story." or leave the half-breed option available but give a note that its rare.  Cause the harder one tries to imply that a half-breed between two races that hate eachother is...the more tasty and appetizing it will look to people who want to make a cool character with a tragic backstory.

a fair cop, really there's two reasonings for me wanting to leave it open, One being the possibility for a major plot point in the future, the other is more a "sanctioned license" thing, where if i fully flesh out the details of what such a hybrid can do, the plausibility for a separate story in its own right is there as well, i know it comes off as a "I'd prefer if you didn't think about it" instead of an "AW HELL NO", i like to keep my options open, 'tis all.. In reality, if there were such a hybrid to pop up, i'd like to be the one to do the writing, or somebody i can trust, who'd consult with me beforehand.

Of cource, now that this is brought up, one *does* wonder if such a hybrid* would be extremely powerful, which is why its forbidden! Fan-fic time!
*If it can't be done naturally, I guess you just need a crazy scientist and a bunch of cloning equipment, creating the hybrid from scratch!

<_< I shouldn't start thinking about such things... I keep coming up with implausible(but not impossible) ideas, even now!


-RobbieThe1st

Start running, now. I didn't really say it was impossible, i pretty much said that it'd end with entrails of both parents and child spilt on the floor, Ariannia's magical fields tend to permeate everything on the Planet, a child of that magical potential would be like dropping a fifty pound cannon ball into a koi pond... people even remotely attuned to it would notice it, those more expert in its usage would know where it came from, particularly the Thae'lith and Cubi, who are practically a part of Ariannia itself, they'd be on the parents like white on rice, as it were.

as for other species... well, Orcs don't exist for the simple reasoning that the local Draconic species (Dra'kilari and M'Dilari alike) think they're "quite good if roasted over an open fire after being seasoned with herbs" 

[llearch n'n'daCorna]

I think you mean this image. Not sure whether or not helps in the gender-issue, though. Also not sure if that pic should be considered canon (except maybe far-future canon, considering his outfit).

I did indeed mean that image. Although, as Ren pointed out earlier, the strip where the Ai makes her first appearance, Deebs identifies her as a her, not a him; also as Ren pointed out, that's not conclusive, although it is strongly suggestive...

[Tycoon]

I'm betting that the AI "sister" from this will grow up to have a main role in Portal...

[Lucheek]

Wouldn't an Anthro Orca like the one in the picture be a possible Being type (not a mer?) Assuming this is one with legs.

[Brunhidden]

Wouldn't an Anthro Orca like the one in the picture be a possible Being type (not a mer?) Assuming this is one with legs.

quick answer to this- yes, provided the being in question just so happens to be a shapeshifter

[VioletDusk]

Well, that's the first time I've seen an anthro cetacian that is actually cute.

A couple things I'm curious about. Speaking of mules, when the parents' appearances  resemble species of animals that can interbreed to produce hybrids naturally, will their babies also resemble the hybrid? (Ex. Horse being + Donkey being = Mule/Hinny being?  I'm assuming their offspring are fertile regardless of the natural state of such animals.) Also, since the offspring of wildly different looking beings tend to resemble either one parent's "species' or the other, can they also throw back to a grandparent's (or further back) looks? Say if mom's a hyena, and dad's a springbok, can they have a baby that resembles its grandfather who is a lion?

[Alondro]

Well, that's the first time I've seen an anthro cetacian that is actually cute.

A couple things I'm curious about. Speaking of mules, when the parents' appearances  resemble species of animals that can interbreed to produce hybrids naturally, will their babies also resemble the hybrid? (Ex. Horse being + Donkey being = Mule/Hinny being?  I'm assuming their offspring are fertile regardless of the natural state of such animals.) Also, since the offspring of wildly different looking beings tend to resemble either one parent's "species' or the other, can they also throw back to a grandparent's (or further back) looks? Say if mom's a hyena, and dad's a springbok, can they have a baby that resembles its grandfather who is a lion?

*Charline sobs!* Tis true!  It can happen!  I ended up eating them both...   

*Not canon.  Charline was actually adopted* 

[Raffe]

I'm betting that the AI "sister" from this will grow up to have a main role in Portal...

The cake is a lie only because Deebs already ate it.

On the generation skipping traits, I cant recall seeing anyone's grandparents on the strip.(except for a partial glance at Rose's but the Fae don't seem to follow patterns) On the other hand with Lorenda(Mare+Bull, Cow base with mothers colors) one might assume that if she ever had male offspring that had the bull base, theyd have horns, but thats not quite skipping generations. Though maybe coloring, some of them might have their grandfathers solid black?