2006-12-20 "I'm sure that will be an interesting meeting."

[Madmann135]

OK... here is my limited expertiese on balistics.

High velocity projectiles are a tricky thing and an intresting science.  For instance a very light projectile traveling at 4000 FPS can easily penetrate a 1/2 inch armor plate due to the fact that projectiles at that velocity and their target tend to act at a fluedic state at such high speeds. 

Now a railgun, there are a few working models in existance but there are inate delima's with them.  One the projectile has the capability to reach speeds so fast that the projectile vaporises in the accelorator and the following damage to the accelorator itself is difficult to fix but there are working models.  The round vaporises because it's traveling so fast that air friction in essence tears the round apart.  Quite similar to foreign objects or any object in general entering earth's atmosphere.

Also the .50 BMG is NOT a uber powerful gun.  It's a high velocity round reaching speeds of around 2800 FPS but due to it's high weight (in the area of 500 Grain bullets which is heavy considering the M16 and it's variants use 62 grain bullets) and the fact that the military uses Armor Pearcing Incendeary (AP-I) rounds which increases the projectile's lethalness enabling the AP-I rounds to penetrate a 1/2 inch steel plate where the standard ball (metal jacket lead core) round could only dent. 

With that being said I bet Jyrras could easily build a rail gun capable of launching a steel round with a tungskin core 4000+ FPS and that (in my mind) could pearce a dragon's hide and cause horrendous if not fatal internal damage.  Lets not forget due to the internal density being greater than the density of air the round has a strong possiablity of breaking apart and causing a larger wound cannal.  Just so you know to my knowledge elephant hunters use a 30-40 cal, heavy round at speeds of 2800 FPS, the reason why the round is effective is because it is shot in the head of the elephant and therefore destroys the control center of the body.

That being said.


If Alexsi finds out that Destania killed or harmed her boyfriend who knows what could happen.  Not to mention the ensuing results from Dan .

[Artanis]

There's an immensely easy way to kill a dragon without all this mess with guns and radioactive fallout.

It's a nifty little spell called Dragon Slave (name corrupted from Dragon Slayer.) Guaranteed to kill the dragon, or anything else you need dead, but leaves a big crater.

[Sid]

That wasn't a joke.

That's not how I read it...It sounded to me he was trying to make and joke and failed miserably...

Egh. The Nazi comparison NEEDED to be done, since Destania is hinting pretty bluntly at a sort of Final Solution there. In my eyes, the comparison had been done in the most diplomatic way possible, so let's just leave it at that. I think we're all very well aware that Nazi stuff is no joke, but that's no reason to go all at remarks like that. *shrugs*

[Manawolf]

You do realize that one of those super powered spells that are usually beyond the power of any mortal to be able to cast, right?  I wouldn't call it easy when it'll drain you like an RV sucks gas.

[Amber Williams]

Two things:

1: I talk to Slavkei on a IM basis, so I'm already aware of his opinions.  And yes, we do both joke about how a lot of RPers like to coo and awe over their SUPERMEGAAWSOME dragon character.  I doubt Slavkei was targeting any one individual with his statement (Unless he is making a jab at Aridas which he's been told not to), but his commentary is to be expected to be a lot more caustic than the average forum-goer. Kind of like a Dmoon without power.

2: Take heed that the Demonology 101 is in many ways like a normal encyclopedia in that it is based off how things are currently and general knowledge.  As such, it can be outdated or not taking into consideration things on the horizon.  If your average weaponry is swords/arrows and magic...saying something has an impenetrable hide might just mean to those.

[Aridas]

Caustic? Can it eat through metal?

[Artanis]

You do realize that one of those super powered spells that are usually beyond the power of any mortal to be able to cast, right?  I wouldn't call it easy when it'll drain you like an RV sucks gas.

Giga Slave. Kills any target capable of surviving a Dragon Slave. Or you. Or the planet. Drains you faster than a PVC pipe in your heart.

But then, everything from that story is overpowered anywhere else except possibly DBZ, so...

[Amber Williams]

Caustic? Can it eat through metal?

Having seen what Slavkei can eat...its quite possible.

[Manawolf]

Slav has admitted to being an asshole (and unfortunately proud of it).  But yeah, dragons are getting overhyped.  The fandom is turning them into the next vampire they're such dorks.  Dragons are powerful creatures but it takes several centuries if not millenia to gain that power (they don't suddenly grow like a weed overnight like Eragon would have you believe).  You're a wyrmling for at least 10 years, and for most dragons you're the size can be anywhere from human baby to full grown adult human, before you start to grow larger and then it'll take about 2 thousand years to reach your full size and power.

And please, of all the places to find references to things to kill dragons, do not turn to anime.  They got mecha that can perform kung fu, it's all overpowered.

[Fresnor]

You do realize that one of those super powered spells that are usually beyond the power of any mortal to be able to cast, right?  I wouldn't call it easy when it'll drain you like an RV sucks gas.

Giga Slave. Kills any target capable of surviving a Dragon Slave. Or you. Or the planet. Drains you faster than a PVC pipe in your heart.

But then, everything from that story is overpowered anywhere else except possibly DBZ, so...

Well technically the Giga Slave isn't a spell per se.  Only surprising part about that though, is how the caster's body didn't disintigrate from having all that power trapped inside.

Edit: Funny, I've seen plenty of anime where a simple spear shreds a dragon right up. :p

[Stygian]

...just got an access point to get in here, and we're talking railguns now? Ah, but i shouldn't mention that first...

Err-hrrm... On the topic of the latest comic... and on the respective agendas of Destania, Biggs and Pyroduck, I believe that my opinion can be summarized as such...

MUHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAA!

...also, no true rail drivers have seen the light of day yet, only very high-powered coilguns. Look up the definition. And I am fairly interested in what accelerating gravity phenomena and energy distortion tendencies we would see if ever we invented a genuine railgun.

[Manawolf]

That's actually kind of like from European artwork depicting knights slaying dragons with just a lance (though those dragons were sometimes so dispraportional it's suprsing that their head didn't snap off already).

[Sid]

...just got an access point to get in here, and we're talking railguns now?

We're on page 4 of the thread. I'm actually surprised we're still talking about something that's REMOTELY on-topic.

[Manawolf]

This thread turned retarded about two pages ago.  Children and their overhyped toys.

[Netami]

Saw it coming.

[Caswin]

The fandom is turning them into the next vampire they're such dorks.

I don't think it's necessarily quite as bad, if only because dragons don't have weaknesses for them to brush off on the grounds that "It's a half-breed/mutated/special dragon".

[bill]

Bloody hell, what has happened in here?

[Zedd]

Bloody hell, what has happened in here? D:

Oompa loom-pa..doompy doo...I got another riddle for you..If your not greedy you will go far...

[Manawolf]

The fandom is turning them into the next vampire they're such dorks.

I don't think it's necessarily quite as bad, if only because dragons don't have weaknesses for them to brush off on the grounds that "It's a half-breed/mutated/special dragon".

No, they just use that to say how much more awesome their dragon character is compared to others.

[Azlan]

Dragons are an over used stereotype of fantasy, it would be nice to see them retired.  It would never happen though.

[Manawolf]

I feel the same way.  Fantasy does not have to revolve around them, but they can be one of many aspects to it.  It may be called Dungeons and Dragons, but you don't always need dragons (or dungeons for that matter).

[Reese Tora]

What has occurred to me just now is that she says 'the end of the dragon race' not 'the destruction of the dragon race'.

Yeah, yeah, and Himmler only wanted to escort the Jews out of Europe when he talked about wanting to ausrotten them.

It occurs to me that a certain prophet, a while back, said that "the life of destania has ended at the hands of Daniel Ti'Fiona."

[Madd the Sane]

It occurs to me that a certain prophet, a while back, said that "the life of destania has ended at the hands of Daniel Ti'Fiona."

Are you implying what I think your implying  D:






DON'T KILL YOUR MOM, DAN!  IT'S CALLED MATRICIDE!

I'm having flashbacks to the film "Guess Who's Coming to Dinner." Anyone else?

Nicely foreshadowed, Amber. I'm having visions to the lurking comic, and they go a little somethin' like this.

"Mom, this is my boyfr-"
"GET AWAY FROM MY DAUGHTER SCUMBAG!"
"Meep!"
"GYAH! MOM! PUT THE KNIFE DOWN!"

The scary thing is, it probably won' be the first time that conversation has occurred. 

And it probably won't be the last. 

[Azlan]

I feel the same way.  Fantasy does not have to revolve around them, but they can be one of many aspects to it.  It may be called Dungeons and Dragons, but you don't always need dragons (or dungeons for that matter).

In this case, Dragons are how I fund my empires... it is amazing what a Daern's Instant Fortress does when used as a dragon suppository.

[Izkata]

You do realize that one of those super powered spells that are usually beyond the power of any mortal to be able to cast, right?  I wouldn't call it easy when it'll drain you like an RV sucks gas.

Giga Slave. Kills any target capable of surviving a Dragon Slave. Or you. Or the planet. Drains you faster than a PVC pipe in your heart.

But then, everything from that story is overpowered anywhere else except possibly DBZ, so...

Well technically the Giga Slave isn't a spell per se.  Only surprising part about that though, is how the caster's body didn't disintigrate from having all that power trapped inside.

Edit: Funny, I've seen plenty of anime where a simple spear shreds a dragon right up. :p

And the Dragon Slave was sealed when they killed Shabranigdo in the first season finale.

If you want a weapon, how about the Ragna Blade?

(On a side note, I just restarted my Slayers torrent a day ago - Yay!)

[Kenji]

I feel the same way.  Fantasy does not have to revolve around them, but they can be one of many aspects to it.  It may be called Dungeons and Dragons, but you don't always need dragons (or dungeons for that matter).

In this case, Dragons are how I fund my empires... it is amazing what a Daern's Instant Fortress does when used as a dragon suppository.

Personally, I like games and such where they use the classic definition of "dragon", just being a powerful beast. To the sense where Tigers are considered "dragons" because they're powerful.

[Manawolf]

No, dragons are still a race of their own.  Using them as a measurement of power is giving them too much credit.

[superluser]

Personally, I like games and such where they use the classic definition of "dragon", just being a powerful beast. To the sense where Tigers are considered "dragons" because they're powerful.

Well, the term δράκων was used for any large serpent, but it seems not for other animals.  This is echoed in Beowulf's wyrm, the Greek Ladon (a dragon cited by the 1911 Encyclopedia Britannica) and Siegmund's Fafnir.

So from that, it would seem that the best definition of dragon is the serpentine one (with small or no wings) who guards a hoard.

(Funny.  Spell check recognizes Beowulf and Fafnir but not wyrm)

[Aridas]

What has occurred to me just now is that she says 'the end of the dragon race' not 'the destruction of the dragon race'.

Yeah, yeah, and Himmler only wanted to escort the Jews out of Europe when he talked about wanting to ausrotten them.

It occurs to me that a certain prophet, a while back, said that "the life of destania has ended at the hands of Daniel Ti'Fiona."

And we were already told why loooong ago, near that same time. That was present tense, not future tense.

[LionHeart]

On the subject of dragons and dragon slayers:

http://www.deviantart.com/deviation/14743141/

and

http://www.deviantart.com/deviation/16624071/

Both of these are quite funny, and are written from the dragon's viewpoint.