2006-12-20 "I'm sure that will be an interesting meeting."

[Kasarn]

If it was easy to kill a dragon, then it would have been done already.
It clearly is not and such guns do not exist in DMFA anyway.

[Cvstos]

"Impenetrable" may be an exaggeration, meaning only "holy crap that's a tough hide", rather than literally impenetrable.  About the only thing that is truly impenetrable is a black hole's event horizon (and that's only from the inside).

For example, if you used small arms fire against a dragon, odds are you may as well be shooting blanks.  Bring rail-guns, heavy tank, bunker-busters, and nuclear weapons to bear, and even a dragon would likely have to get worried.  Especially about the first and last options.  Rail guns are somewhat-fictional (but entirely possible) weapons that accelerate a small amount of metal to extreme velocities, sometimes as high as 0.9 c.  At such extreme speeds, even a speck of dust would have thousands if not millions of times the penetration power of a .50 caliber bullet.  The biggest drawback to such a weapon is the kickback, but if that was somehow dealt with they would make awesome weapons and excellent sniper platforms.    And nuclear weapons are, well, nuclear weapons.  Kaboom x1000000.

That being said, eliminating all dragons overnight would require many such weapons, the creation of which is hard to conceal.  It would also require trained forces to do that worldwide, and knowledge of where all dragons are at all times.  A practicality nightmare.  More likely some kind of magical WMD is in the making, or none of the above.  Or, you know, they're just going to somehow force all dragons to see nothing but imagines of Richard Simmons 24/7/365 and hope for mass suicide.

Hey, it could work.

I'd like to know where people get the idea that dragons are so godly invincible. A mossun rifle can put a bullet clean through a quarter inch steel plate with no problem whatsoever. I know this for a fact, I have witnessed it with my own eyes. Would you please tell me how a dragon's hide, made of flesh and bone and skin, is gonna stop a bullet designed to pierce armor from a 60 year old rifle? Where do you get the idea that small arms fire won't be effective against dragons? Is it the furry tendancy to make a dragon character becuase you want something HUGE and MAGICAL and VERY VIRILE with a gigantic penis that can be invincible to rayguns and lasers, shoot magical beams out of its eyes that can nuke civilizations, be covered in horns and scales and unnecessary appendages, and basically fulfill every wish to be "teh gr4t3st" that you've ever had?

Dragons aren't gods. A bullet through the skull will do to them what it does to just about anything else that breathes.

Jeesh.

Excuse me, but considering the generally good nature of my little bit of speculation, I take offense to what is obviously a rather hostile attack.  I'm also offended that you would call me a homosexual as an insult, especially when you know nothing of my sexuality (I'm straight).

What did I do to warrant such hostility?

[Alondro]

*Charles suspects what the secret weapon is*  N2 mines...  and then the Angels will attack.  

*Alondro feh*  That's just silly... oh wait, there ARE angels in DMFA!!  Oh my..  Dan is somewhat like Shinji...  the creature council is like SEELE... Jyrras is playing god and creating life... giant creatures roam around destroying things... and multiple secret plots are in the works, with layers of betrayal and half-truths!

It's... it's Gryphongelion...  

[Kasarn]

What did I do to warrant such hostility?

It's called trolling.
Feel free to peruse
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Needless to say that the links are NSFW and, if you don't know, replace the x's with t's

Try not to get too worked up over it.

[Kaerou]

Eeep, what did we dragons ever do to them! ='(

[Psaakyrn]

If it was easy to kill a dragon, then it would have been done already.
It clearly is not and such guns do not exist in DMFA anyway.

Not precisely true.. I'm sure those mining equipment Jyrras has can be converted into something more violence-inclined. (and I won't be surprised if it uses rail-gun technology..)

Randon thought: what's if Jyrras's third employee (the bee) happened to have contacted Biggs?

[Kasarn]

If it was easy to kill a dragon, then it would have been done already.
It clearly is not and such guns do not exist in DMFA anyway.

Not precisely true.. I'm sure those mining equipment Jyrras has can be converted into something more violence-inclined. (and I won't be surprised if it uses rail-gun technology..)

Randon thought: what's if Jyrras's third employee (the bee) happened to have contacted Biggs?

I did think about the railgun thing; since it's basically just a fancy electromagnet it would be just as easily powered by magic as it would by electricity.

But I deferred to Amber's generic guns do not exist in Furrae... but, like how she not an expert in a lot of things, she is not an expert on ballistic weapons or electromagnetics

[Kaerou]

I really hope Jyrass destroys his weapons, i just feel guns really ruin magical settings.

[Kasarn]

I really hope Jyrass destroys his weapons, i just feel guns really ruin magical settings.

pfft, Dwarves and Gnomes are standard fantasy races and often have guns.
It's not something I even thought of until recently and I was all like, "I'm such a dumbass"

[Mel Dragonkitty]

Demo 101 implies that dragons have their own plane, the same as the fae. If they have figured out how to implode that they'd have a real good start on genocide.

However, I do think that the death warrants they're signing are their own. The other creatures on the council couldn't allow the power balance to get that far out of whack. I think we'd see the best unity on the creature council ever for the purpose of cubi/twink genocide.

And if it does have something to do with planar destruction the fae would need to move quick to make sure that information didn't get passed along. And I wouldn't want one fae mad at me, having all of them mad at once...  

[MaskedRetriever]

Huh.  If they have their own plane the plan might actually just be to stuff 'em back in there and lock the lid down.  I mean, as far as Furrae is concerned there'd be No More Dragons...

[Tapewolf]

Demo 101 implies that dragons have their own plane, the same as the fae. If they have figured out how to implode that they'd have a real good start on genocide.

Destania may be 31/2 times older than Jesus but I suspect she'd have to have been a professor in some extremely esoteric branches of physics to be able to do such stuff.
What has occurred to me just now is that she says 'the end of the dragon race' not 'the destruction of the dragon race'.  There is a subtle difference, which leads me to wonder if their aim is to seal the link to the other plane rather than actually destroy it.  This is more in tune with DMFA's rating than a massacre, I might add.

If they are actually planning genocide, I suspect Abel's number one priority is going to become "preventing Dan from committing suicide" when he finds out what his mother is up to.

(Damn, MaskedRetriever beat me to it)

[Alan Garou]

I've heard of hostile in-laws, but this is ridiculous. And I'm a bit disappointed with Dee. I never saw her as the bigoted type.

[Kasarn]

...or maybe Destania is just a puppet and it is Cyra herself enacting a powerplay

DUN DUN DUUUUNNNNN

[Psaakyrn]

Demo 101 implies that dragons have their own plane, the same as the fae. If they have figured out how to implode that they'd have a real good start on genocide.

However, I do think that the death warrants they're signing are their own. The other creatures on the council couldn't allow the power balance to get that far out of whack. I think we'd see the best unity on the creature council ever for the purpose of cubi/twink genocide.

And if it does have something to do with planar destruction the fae would need to move quick to make sure that information didn't get passed along. And I wouldn't want one fae mad at me, having all of them mad at once... 

Unless of course they have the council backing, and that the Fae be directly involved with the actual planar inplosion.

[ITOS]

*Edward has been banned from the server*
*account suspended*

[topher chee]

Run Pyroduck RUN!!!!!

[Mel Dragonkitty]

Unless of course they have the council backing, and that the Fae be directly involved with the actual planar implosion.

I think the council is both smarter and more paranoid than that. Which race is next on the genocide list? Very slippery slope.

As for the fae actually doing the destruction, if I had a home that could be destroyed that same way I wouldn't even imply that it was possible. I'd be, "Oh, your plan won't work because <trip> oops, sorry, I didn't mean to accidentally stab you seven times with my letter opener, and set your plans on fire, blow up your house and poison the consolation cards I sent to all your relatives. My bad."

[Kibin]

All you have to do to remove dragons is hack the furcadian database and delete everyones dragon avatars. WHOOO NO MORE DRAGONS!

[Manawolf]

The thing about dragons is that given a few millenia, they can become godly (or at least demigodly).  Their hides become like diamonds, except for those areas normal weak spots such as the eyes, joints and underbelly, though some try to eliminate the underbelly weakness by embedding gems and other pieces from their hoard into their less fortified scales.  Dragons could always be taken down with a good sniper shot, but you do also have the problem of if the dragon has alrady entered combat and is now bounding around like crazy (those moving targets can be quite a ***** when you're trying for a headshot).  But then again there is also that level of magical protection dragons gain due to their highly magical nature.  Their is also that level of immunity to one form of energy that a lot of dragons have.

If you want to get into the kind of damage they could dish out, then you always look back to that breath weapon they love to use.  For most, it's simply a fire, but others may spit anything from acid to lightning.  Then you have the powerful jaws, claws, tail and even wings that could tear you apart or slap you around.  Then their is their magical prowess they often possess.  While this can mean a multitude of spells at their disposal, it can be hard to tell like with many spellcasters.  To take an example of this prowess from the comic, Pyro had to have traveled back in time through some way, though that may have just been technology, but then that technology most likely came from Jyrras and thus would mean that at least some dragons were not getting hassled by beings.

That actually brings up a good question, as to when did Pyro travel back in time, and whether a war broke out somewhere within that timeframe.

[Slavkei]

"Impenetrable" may be an exaggeration, meaning only "holy crap that's a tough hide", rather than literally impenetrable.  About the only thing that is truly impenetrable is a black hole's event horizon (and that's only from the inside).

For example, if you used small arms fire against a dragon, odds are you may as well be shooting blanks.  Bring rail-guns, heavy tank, bunker-busters, and nuclear weapons to bear, and even a dragon would likely have to get worried.  Especially about the first and last options.  Rail guns are somewhat-fictional (but entirely possible) weapons that accelerate a small amount of metal to extreme velocities, sometimes as high as 0.9 c.  At such extreme speeds, even a speck of dust would have thousands if not millions of times the penetration power of a .50 caliber bullet.  The biggest drawback to such a weapon is the kickback, but if that was somehow dealt with they would make awesome weapons and excellent sniper platforms.    And nuclear weapons are, well, nuclear weapons.  Kaboom x1000000.

That being said, eliminating all dragons overnight would require many such weapons, the creation of which is hard to conceal.  It would also require trained forces to do that worldwide, and knowledge of where all dragons are at all times.  A practicality nightmare.  More likely some kind of magical WMD is in the making, or none of the above.  Or, you know, they're just going to somehow force all dragons to see nothing but imagines of Richard Simmons 24/7/365 and hope for mass suicide.

Hey, it could work.

I'd like to know where people get the idea that dragons are so godly invincible. A mossun rifle can put a bullet clean through a quarter inch steel plate with no problem whatsoever. I know this for a fact, I have witnessed it with my own eyes. Would you please tell me how a dragon's hide, made of flesh and bone and skin, is gonna stop a bullet designed to pierce armor from a 60 year old rifle? Where do you get the idea that small arms fire won't be effective against dragons? Is it the furry tendancy to make a dragon character becuase you want something HUGE and MAGICAL and VERY VIRILE with a gigantic penis that can be invincible to rayguns and lasers, shoot magical beams out of its eyes that can nuke civilizations, be covered in horns and scales and unnecessary appendages, and basically fulfill every wish to be "teh gr4t3st" that you've ever had?

Dragons aren't gods. A bullet through the skull will do to them what it does to just about anything else that breathes.

Jeesh.

Excuse me, but considering the generally good nature of my little bit of speculation, I take offense to what is obviously a rather hostile attack.  I'm also offended that you would call me a homosexual as an insult, especially when you know nothing of my sexuality (I'm straight).

What did I do to warrant such hostility?

Funny, I don't recall ever saying homosexual. I mentioned virility, which is manliness, and a large penis, which of all the dragons I've ever met 80-90% pride themselves on. I would NEVER use homosexual as an insult, same as I would never use white, black, asian, or hispanic as an insult. I might use dodo as an insult, but they're extinct, and don't complain.

No, I'm just rather sick of always seeing dragons who are obsessed over their own (imagined) superiority.

[Aridas]

It's a wonder you haven't taken a fit at amber for talking about impenetrable hides.

[Zedd]

Indeeed they may be perks being a twink....Yet some those little people are cleaver little bastards

[KarlOmega1]

man...and I thought some people had it in for others...

Nothing like a lovely serving of parental concern with a side entree' of implied genocide. 

Hey genocide worked for the Nazis... oh wait, no... not really...

oh...and Azzie...don't ever make a joke about the holocaust...it's not funny...

[Aridas]

That wasn't a joke.

[AmigaDragon]

...such guns do not exist in DMFA anyway.

Not precisely true.. I'm sure those mining equipment Jyrras has can be converted into something more violence-inclined. (and I won't be surprised if it uses rail-gun technology..)

Sounds like someone was more believing than Lorenda was about  Jyrras' "farm equipment" and "mining equipment" during the lab tour.

BTW, in the last panel, where did Mab go? Is she off practicing with her new voulge?

[KarlOmega1]

That wasn't a joke.

That's not how I read it...It sounded to me he was trying to make and joke and failed miserably...

[Zedd]

...such guns do not exist in DMFA anyway.

Not precisely true.. I'm sure those mining equipment Jyrras has can be converted into something more violence-inclined. (and I won't be surprised if it uses rail-gun technology..)

Sounds like someone was more believing than Lorenda was about  Jyrras' "farm equipment" and "mining equipment" during the lab tour.

BTW, in the last panel, where did Mab go? Is she off practicing with her new voulge?

Im sure Mab is around somewhere....Milking enemys of their blood fluids...when shes cutting them open with her new toy

[superluser]

"Impenetrable" may be an exaggeration, meaning only "holy crap that's a tough hide", rather than literally impenetrable.

Well, impenetrability is overrated.  Let's say I'm wearing chain mail armor on my chest, and you start beating me in the chest with a club.  You can beat me to death, and take the armor.  It will not be damaged.  Just because something's impenetrable doesn't mean what's underneath can't be injured.

What has occurred to me just now is that she says 'the end of the dragon race' not 'the destruction of the dragon race'.

Yeah, yeah, and Himmler only wanted to escort the Jews out of Europe when he talked about wanting to ausrotten them.

[Angel]

I'm having flashbacks to the film "Guess Who's Coming to Dinner." Anyone else?

Nicely foreshadowed, Amber. I'm having visions to the lurking comic, and they go a little somethin' like this.

"Mom, this is my boyfr-"
"GET AWAY FROM MY DAUGHTER SCUMBAG!"
"Meep!"
"GYAH! MOM! PUT THE KNIFE DOWN!"

The scary thing is, it probably won' be the first time that conversation has occurred.