I'm very sorry you feel that way Amber...

[Eboreg]

But this is one of those causes that I simply can not support. I'm afraid for you. I'm afraid that you've fallen into the trap of assuming that the news organizations are committed to real news and not just gaining viewcounts with alarmist hit pieces. The death of George Floyd was a tragedy but it is not indicative of a greater problem. It is instead indicative of one thing that you pointed out in one of your very early comics (seen here). There are isolated jerks in every group of people and the police are no exception. What's more, I can not support donating to the bail of people who legitimately deserve prison time when that money would be better spent propping up the businesses they have destroyed including those belonging to black people who have invested their life savings in such businesses. I feel especially afraid for you when you try to shut down dissenting voices by calling them Nazis. Legitimate National Socialism is incredibly rare in the modern world and is only present in a fringe minority. White Supremacists are not nearly as prevalent as those who impose race issues into everything and I assure that those people are much more prevalent than you can imagine. Our justice system is not broken and while I weep for innocent protestors who have been falsely locked up as rioters, it is not up to me or the mob to judge which ones are innocent and which ones are not, especially not in these turbulent times where we are facing the wholesale destruction of many major cities around the US. I feel afraid for you Amber, and I hope you can see beyond what the stupid minority wants you to see.

[Kasumi]

I agree with this. I was already a bit turned off by the forced pride month montage which I felt was wholly unnecessary. This has pushed me over the edge and I will no longer be reading DMFA.

I will not condone what happened in the police action, but I will also never, ever agree with the BLM movement as it ends up promoting reverse racism ultimately. What I feel is even more disgusting about this whole situation is that had the victim's skin color been white, nary a peep would've been even mentioned, much less some massive riots, outcries, protests, etc.

#BlackLivesMatter
#HumanLivesMatter

Skin color shouldn't even be a factor and in closing, Amber you've fallen into the dangerous trap of following mainstream media and social media as gospel truth and not forming your own thoughts on the matter. I'm not saying race crime doesn't happen, but it's not the massive problem the media, BLM/AntiFa movements, and others try to make it out to be because they're hungry for those ratings/views/money.

I wish you luck Amber, but I do feel you need to take a step back and think about what message you're trying to send.

Noone will question you being upset, but please stop trying to turn DMFA into a platform to push mainstream agendas.

[Amber Williams]

Farewell to both of you.  I wish you well on your adventures because this is a place we cannot travel along together.

[KainNoct]

Amber I've been someone who's been reading this comic since around chapter 7 was being produced. I have to express my disappointment in you. For the very reasons that my two fellows above have done so.

You're not helping anyone, you are only perpetuating the lies of the media and of racial supremacists. But you won't listen to us. When one goes down this path you will never listen to your critics. I've seen this happen with LeastICouldDo and I saw it happen with Sinfest. You will ignore your critics and double down on this.

I enjoyed this comic because of its positive message, its inclusive message of acceptance on all sides, and the acceptance of personal responsibility in one's own life. Sexuality, gender identity, race not mattering, you could be happy and successful through your own hard work and will. But you've shattered this with your unconditional support for what is not only a racial supremacist group, but also an extremely racist group. And yes, you don't have to be white to be either.

I know its futile but I will leave a few links here and perhaps you will read them and reevaluate your stance on things, but likely not. But perhaps others will read and watch them and think on their own.

You say give black voices a chance to voice their opinion. So how about we let this Black Voice speak? Regardless of whose platform it appears on.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ItopNgRQiuY

Or acknowledge that cops killing people is not a black problem, its an everyone problem.
https://www.statista.com/statistics/585152/people-shot-to-death-by-us-police-by-race/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_of_Daniel_Shaver

We have to acknowledge these problems. But we cannot support those who would turn to violence over them. Who are only using the unfortunate death of a man as an excuse to cause pain and misery to others. Those who are peacefully protesting are within their rights to do so. But those who are destroying our cities, destroying the dreams of white and black and mexican and asians alike by destroying their businesses, attacking and injuring them, and who knows what else right now. These people cannot be condoned or helped, they must be punished to the full extent of the law and society. Because otherwise we will all suffer worse, worse cops will come, people will take matters into their own hands rather than trust a corrupt police force, trust will further erode between people as a whole.

[Eboreg]

Farewell to both of you.  I wish you well on your adventures because this is a place we cannot travel along together.

Do you want to lose all your readers? Because this is how you lose all your readers.

[Sprocketsdance]

Nope, this is how we facilitate having a community which supports each other and causes that are real and affect more people than you seem to be willing to think about.

It isn't our job to educate you on the matter. If you feel so strongly you can't read the comic then, as Amber has said. Farewell. That's your choice.

You won't get any tears from us.

[Darkmoon]

Farewell to both of you.  I wish you well on your adventures because this is a place we cannot travel along together.

Do you want to lose all your readers? Because this is how you lose all your readers.

Do you want to be permabanned? Because this is how you get permabanned.

Remember, this forum isn't a Democracy, nor is it a place where we just let anyone say whatever they want. It's not a "First Amendment Protection Zone". This is my forum and when people act like douche-trouts -- not just to my sibling, Mab, but to society in general -- they don't deserve my sympathy or respect. Believe what you want about what's going on in the world (your opinion that the media is somehow lying to you because you can't trust the media is... wow, laughably wrong), but this isn't the open world and I don't care what you have to say.

Anyone else wanna jump in here and rail about the downfall of society because people are protesting out in the streets? I'm happy to add you to the list.

[The One Guy]

For what its worth I take a middle ground.  I do think the problem isn't anywhere near as big as some people and groups make it out to be, but at the same time, it is still a significant problem and people have the right to protest it.  The truth, as it often is, is between the two vocal extremes.  My biggest worry, however, is that in their attempt to prevent death and suffering by the hands of racist cops, they will be causing far more death and suffering, not only through those who use the cause as justification for violence and looting, but even moreso through the spread of coronavirus.

Which is not to say that Amber is part of the problem, certainly online petitions and donating for bail money (assuming it is indeed for people actually wrongfully charged; I haven't really looked into it, so I can't say whether that is or isn't true) are far safer means of protest than gathering in groups on the street, but it's just something I worry is not being given the attention it deserves.  Like people just forgot the issue of coronavirus just because a distraction has come up, and soon we'll all be paying the price for that.


Edit: And at the risk of getting in trouble myself, I just have to say: while I believe the complainers here are wrong in their extreme opposition to the cause, I find the response to them rather uncomfortable.  I think it's valid to say "this is not a place to discuss political opinions," or to say "I doubt anything I say will convince you to change their mind, so I won't bother," but to say "nope, I'm right and you're wrong; this isn't a democracy" doesn't really sit right with me.

[TealOmega]

Long time reader of the webcomic, and lurker of the forums. Made an account specifically to say that, no, this is not "how you lose all your readers". Glad to see it wasn't necessary.

Amber has the right to have political opinions, and the right to talk about those opinions. Making a passive-aggressive, patronising post about how you're "afraid for you" isn't going to change a thing.

[YBlu]

I have no reason to stop reading the comic just because Amber expressed her opinion like this, and frankly I don't see why I should

[Eboreg]

Okay, maybe not "all", maybe "half".

[Sprocketsdance]

Okay, maybe not "all", maybe "half".

You're giving your stance way too much credit. I'm sure some will leave (as they have stated even though I see you're still around) but it will be a very small percentage. So be it. But that is their own loss right there.

[Rithm Alfortele]

Been awhile since I logged in, but I had to.

Because I agree with Amber.  You're entitled to your opinions, but you aren't free from the consequences of them, either.  So rather than argue with you, I'm gonna echo what several people have said - please.  Just leave.  We have nothing to discuss and this isn't the place for an argument.

Either way, saying "this is how you lose your readers" is a good way to learn that the vast majority of readers *do not* agree with you, and that you actually hold much more of a minority opinion than you realize.

[WolfKit]

I too have joined this forum to express support for Amber, as I am glad that she has taken a stand. I understand that there are those who are turned off by calls for racial equality and lgbt pride; they are not the majority, and they may leave in peace.

[Eboreg]

You're giving your stance way too much credit. I'm sure some will leave (as they have stated even though I see you're still around) but it will be a very small percentage. So be it. But that is their own loss right there.

I'm still around because I still have some respect for Amber. I adore the wonderful, fantastic world she has crafted with her pen and paintbrush and I respect the way she has tackled difficult subjects. However, when I see her make such a questionable decision as trying to release suspected criminals back into the wild, keyword: suspected, not convicted, they still haven't gone through the entire justice system yet; that respect begins to be eroded away. The vicious, vehement, and emotional responses I have gotten in return have turned that erosion into an avalanche. There is still some respect left, not much, but I am willing to give her one last chance. I'm going to be boycotting DMFA for a week (if not the forum) to give her a chance to regain that respect. I would hate to abandon such a wonderful story over an emotional, snap decision.

One last thing, if you want to help innocent protestors that have been locked up, I suggest you not pay for their bail, pay for their legal fees. Suspected criminals are locked up for a very good reason and I would hate to see a rioter or looter get released on this bail money only to skip town and continue rioting and looting elsewhere.

[Rithm Alfortele]

You're giving your stance way too much credit. I'm sure some will leave (as they have stated even though I see you're still around) but it will be a very small percentage. So be it. But that is their own loss right there.

I'm still around because I still have some respect for Amber. I adore the wonderful, fantastic world she has crafted with her pen and paintbrush and I respect the way she has tackled difficult subjects. However, when I see her make such a questionable decision as trying to release suspected criminals back into the wild, keyword: suspected, not convicted, they still haven't gone through the entire justice system yet; that respect begins to be eroded away. The vicious, vehement, and emotional responses I have gotten in return have turned that erosion into an avalanche. There is still some respect left, not much, but I am willing to give her one last chance. I'm going to be boycotting DMFA for a week (if not the forum) to give her a chance to regain that respect. I would hate to abandon such a wonderful story over an emotional, snap decision.

One last thing, if you want to help innocent protestors that have been locked up, I suggest you not pay for their bail, pay for their legal fees. Suspected criminals are locked up for a very good reason and I would hate to see a rioter or looter get released on this bail money only to skip town and continue rioting and looting elsewhere.

Bail is a legal right everyone is entitled to.  And it's something anyone should be allowed to pay.

That it often discriminates against poor people is another topic entirely, but still.  If you're mad at people exercising their legal rights, you might be having deeper issues.

[Sprocketsdance]

You're giving your stance way too much credit. I'm sure some will leave (as they have stated even though I see you're still around) but it will be a very small percentage. So be it. But that is their own loss right there.

I'm still around because I still have some respect for Amber. I adore the wonderful, fantastic world she has crafted with her pen and paintbrush and I respect the way she has tackled difficult subjects. However, when I see her make such a questionable decision as trying to release suspected criminals back into the wild, keyword: suspected, not convicted, they still haven't gone through the entire justice system yet; that respect begins to be eroded away. The vicious, vehement, and emotional responses I have gotten in return have turned that erosion into an avalanche. There is still some respect left, not much, but I am willing to give her one last chance. I'm going to be boycotting DMFA for a week (if not the forum) to give her a chance to regain that respect. I would hate to abandon such a wonderful story over an emotional, snap decision.

One last thing, if you want to help innocent protestors that have been locked up, I suggest you not pay for their bail, pay for their legal fees. Suspected criminals are locked up for a very good reason and I would hate to see a rioter or looter get released on this bail money only to skip town and continue rioting and looting elsewhere.

Let me be perfectly clear. Amber does not owe you anything. Not respect or anything that you wish from them.

As per Darkmoon, the mistake was in giving you another chance to shut the hell up. Thank you so much for playing. Goodbye.

[Akktari]

I live where George Floyd was murdered. #BLM

See you all Monday!

[Lying Foo]

I'm amazed, not so much that anyone feels this way, but that someone as well-established as Eboreg would be stupid enough to make this thread.  (I wouldn't normally insult a poster like that, but under the circumstances...)