2013/03/22 [DMFA#1388 QFTR] - But they're small

[Ted Schiller]

New born babies are small.

With regards,
Ted


Edit:
  Fixed your title.
    -- llearch

[Merlin]

new born horses are comparatively large

new born guinea pigs are adorable





nyil is a dork

[ChaosMageX]

Technically this thread should be numbered #1388.

Also, species' cervix size issues aside, I think it's interesting to speculate the possibilities of combining this new rule of thumb with the one that the offspring between a cubi and non-cubi tends to resemble the non-cubi parent.  I'm not sure if the latter has been confirmed as canon, but if it has, that might mean that the  offspring of a taur succubus and bipedal being would be a taur, but of the father's species, at least.  That could be a way of creating taur members of species that previously didn't have any taur members.

[Amber Williams]

Technically kidney stones are also small. 

[LordViking]

Technically this thread should be numbered #1388.

Also, species' cervix size issues aside, I think it's interesting to speculate the possibilities of combining this new rule of thumb with the one that the offspring between a cubi and non-cubi tends to resemble the non-cubi parent.  I'm not sure if the latter has been confirmed as canon, but if it has, that might mean that the  offspring of a taur succubus and bipedal being would be a taur, but of the father's species, at least.  That could be a way of creating taur members of species that previously didn't have any taur members.

I was thinking the same thing. At least in regards how the 'body type of the mother decides the child body type' rule would combine with the rule that cubi children will resemble their non-cubi parent. What happens if a female taur cubi has a child with a bipedal non-cubi being/creature? Would it look like the father but as a taur? Or like the mother as a bipedal? (Though I imagine that one more likely if the genders are the other way around.)
And slightly off topic, has it been stated somewhere if all sentient species give birth, or are there also some that lay eggs? Because that would add a whole new layer to the cross-species offspring confusion.

[It-Or-Whatever-I-Am]

I thought child birth (Especially involving magic based creatures and mythos) would be similar to how a clan standing is when two cubis in different clans have a child, the one with more power is the clan the child becomes. So wouldn't it be the creature with more power decide which child it is because of their more powerful genes?

[Alondro]

*Charline mrrrrs*  Biped-taur pairing... been there, done that... many many many many times.  So hot.

I don't know what the problem with serpentine offspring is for a biped, though!  They just squiggle right on out!  *takes out photos*  See?

*Charles wanders in*  Charline?  What are those-OHMYGODMYEYES!!! 

[ChaosMageX]

I thought child birth (Especially involving magic based creatures and mythos) would be similar to how a clan standing is when two cubis in different clans have a child, the one with more power is the clan the child becomes. So wouldn't it be the creature with more power decide which child it is because of their more powerful genes?

Hmmm, you make a good point there.  Another thing I wonder is whether or not there are any dragons with taur body configurations, because dragon-taurs are awesome, but if they aren't born that way on their own, the dragon genes might stomp out the chances of getting one.

[lilpuppy23]

In totally unrelated news, the Katbox is now covered in Mows 

Also, on topic, I think people might be over-complicating things here. "Taur" or "Biped" is a bodytype. "Dragon" or "Cubi" is a species. This rule ONLY applies to Bodytype. Basically, if you wanted a Taur Dragon, just get a female Taur of practically ANY species, and cross them with a male Dragon. Apply this rule and the rule ChaosMageX is talking about and Bam: Taur Dragon.
Same thing with Cubi. Same thing with a Lot of things. This rule is like a "Constant". The child will ALWAYS have the Bodytype of their Mother. Species is a Variable. The child may, depending on the species of the father, Always be the same species as him, OR if power play is at work, then it may as well just be Random.
TL;DR, "Bodytype" and "Species" are separate. I'm saying this because it looks a little like some of you might be getting caught up on this detail.
Mind you, Final say is up to Amber if this is correct or not...

[Nyil]

new born horses are comparatively large

new born guinea pigs are adorable





nyil is a dork

I feel I must offer a statement of defense for myself against these completely fallacious and uncalled for remarks against my character.

No, YOU, madame, are a dork.

[Jasae Bushae]

Technically this thread should be numbered #1388.

Also, species' cervix size issues aside, I think it's interesting to speculate the possibilities of combining this new rule of thumb with the one that the offspring between a cubi and non-cubi tends to resemble the non-cubi parent.  I'm not sure if the latter has been confirmed as canon, but if it has, that might mean that the  offspring of a taur succubus and bipedal being would be a taur, but of the father's species, at least.  That could be a way of creating taur members of species that previously didn't have any taur members.

though cubis being shapeshifters it might not be the case XD it would be interesting to see bipedal taurs though XD just imagine~ it would be like a waist-like giraffe~

[Merlin]

I feel I must offer a statement of defense for myself against these completely fallacious and uncalled for remarks against my character.

No, YOU, madame, are a dork.

oh no he di'n't

[Nyil]

oh no he di'n't

Oh, yes, Merlin, he did. He did indeed. You wanna fight about it? |:[

[Prroul]

Okay, if we're going to have a fight in here, at least have some proper battle music. I'm sure I've got something appropriate in my Uematsu TB drive... hmm... let's see...

Aha! Here we go, Black Mage's cover for one of the best boss battle music scores ever done. Dancing Mad.   

NOW you may continue with the fight already in progress.

[ChaosMageX]

(this really should be a new emoticon considering how frequently it's been happening lately )

Anyway, to try to get things back on track, perhaps it isn't the genetics that are responsible (at least not directly) for compensating for the size of the mother's birthing canal, but also the conditions inside the mother's womb.  It might be like how cloned cats can have different coat patterns because the temperature of the womb selectively activates and deactivates the genes that control coat color.  I'm not 100% sure, but I think the same goes for certain species of reptiles, whose gender can vary based on the temperature their egg was kept at when they were developing inside it.  Perhaps all species on Furrae actually have the genetic potential to be both a taur and a biped, and it's something inside the mother's womb (temperature, hormones, etc) that tells which body configuration gene set to activate so that the baby isn't an oversized still-birth and the mother actually has a chance of successfully giving birth and surviving the birthing process to procreate again.

[llearch n'n'daCorna]

Anyway, to try to get things back on track, perhaps it isn't the genetics that are responsible (at least not directly) for compensating for the size of the mother's birthing canal, but also the conditions inside the mother's womb.  It might be like how cloned cats can have different coat patterns because the temperature of the womb selectively activates and deactivates the genes that control coat color.  I'm not 100% sure, but I think the same goes for certain species of reptiles, whose gender can vary based on the temperature their egg was kept at when they were developing inside it.  Perhaps all species on Furrae actually have the genetic potential to be both a taur and a biped, and it's something inside the mother's womb (temperature, hormones, etc) that tells which body configuration gene set to activate so that the baby isn't an oversized still-birth and the mother actually has a chance of successfully giving birth and surviving the birthing process to procreate again.

I think you may be overthinking this a little. ;-]

Anyway - in counterpoint to Ambaargh, the major impediment to birth (IRL) is the child's head - the rest of the child's body is fairly malleable at birth, and tends to, as a result, just "slither" out (as Alondro suggested for snake-like bodies). Not to mention, the difference between a 6 pound baby (on the smaller side) and a 10 pound baby (about as large as they usually get) is about a half inch increase in the child's head diameter. All the rest of the weight is in the rest of the body, and the shoulder joints are all loose and fold in ways that _look_ truly uncomfortable in order to get out.

So... I'd guess a taur birth is about the same as any other birth in terms of pain. Just a longer slither, as it were.



... not that I expect that to change the rules, of course. Just thought it might set your mind a little at rest. ;-]

[D'ymkarra]

In totally unrelated news, the Katbox is now covered in Mows 

Also, on topic, I think people might be over-complicating things here. "Taur" or "Biped" is a bodytype. "Dragon" or "Cubi" is a species. This rule ONLY applies to Bodytype. Basically, if you wanted a Taur Dragon, just get a female Taur of practically ANY species, and cross them with a male Dragon. Apply this rule and the rule ChaosMageX is talking about and Bam: Taur Dragon.
Same thing with Cubi. Same thing with a Lot of things. This rule is like a "Constant". The child will ALWAYS have the Bodytype of their Mother. Species is a Variable. The child may, depending on the species of the father, Always be the same species as him, OR if power play is at work, then it may as well just be Random.TL;DR, "Bodytype" and "Species" are separate. I'm saying this because it looks a little like some of you might be getting caught up on this detail.
Mind you, Final say is up to Amber if this is correct or not...

For the longest time, I had taken it as a given that draconic genetics/ bodytypes would trump/ usurp most all other factors where offspring where concerned, due to the inherent magic involved, and in some cases, they could be considered a unique bodytype themselves; This tripped me up a lot when developing Dym's physical appearance; He has his mother's body AND species type (which for giving birth works out nicely, as Clydes are 'large' to begin with), but there are cues to his dragon lineage as well (mane/ tail/ eye color, as well as the bat half of his wings). Always glad to see I wasn't the only one who this had confused..

[Jasae Bushae]

on a related note, if people are asking about taur/biped relations, just who are they shipping? =3
i mean, barring nameless folk in the side story, matildas still the only taur in the story so far XD (just like abel is the only spotted chap)

[lilpuppy23]

on a related note, if people are asking about taur/biped relations, just who are they shipping? =3
i mean, barring nameless folk in the side story, matildas still the only taur in the story so far XD (just like abel is the only spotted chap)

Fairly certain it's Matilda x Dan, although the "painting the town red" arc already made that a thing. Possibly someone saw one of those guy-versions-of-Matilda and tried crossing them with random characters???

You can never really be sure what is going through the minds of people on the Internet. For example, What am I thinking about right now? What is Amber thinking about right now? As far as I'm concerned, If you want to talk to Cubi' and don't have a mind-shield, IM or Chat Forums are is the best way to go about it.

[Jasae Bushae]

well danxmatilda is a pretty certain one yush but they have that whole quirky 'cubi kids always look like teh other person) business going on

well by getting people to give all their answers, we may discover the truth! the power of internet community at its finest!

[Amber Williams]

What is Amber thinking about right now?

taco taco taco taco...oh hey I got work to do... taco taco taco taco...

[Eboreg]

What is Amber thinking about right now?

taco taco taco taco...oh hey I got work to do... taco taco taco taco...

Taco? Tokko. Tokko?! TOKKOOOOOOOO! *explodes*

[Nino]

well danxmatilda is a pretty certain one yush but they have that whole quirky 'cubi kids always look like teh other person) business going on

well by getting people to give all their answers, we may discover the truth! the power of internet community at its finest!

Well we already saw what their offspring could look like anyways :p

[Daet]

Well, there goes my half-taur, half-dragon, half-cubi, half-angel, with sixteen limbs. 

I would think the main problem with a biped having a taur would be the size a taur would reach before birth. It'd be the human equivalent of twins, at about ten pounds each. Unless, bipeds had taurs at pre-mee weights.

Anyway, good call Amber. Your female creations would thank you if they knew. 

[Lying Foo]

...but what if a taur incubus had a child with a Being...?

[Amber Williams]

...but what if a taur incubus had a child with a Being...?

You'd end up with a biped looking child who has colourings similar to their being parent with maybe some random bright coloured variations who may become a Cubi once they are older.

[Tuyu]

With wings?

[Prroul]

With wings?

I can already hear the meme...

"Cubi... it gives you WINGS!"