Okay, a new chapter begins. Tempting though it was to not update it and see what Ren would do, I decided to go ahead regardless because I could.
http://www.project-future.org
Are we supposed to critique Sofox's update? ;-]
Quote from: llearch n'n'daCorna on November 28, 2008, 02:14:13 PM
Are we supposed to critique Sofox's update? ;-]
Sofox says "You can if you want".
Yay!
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In is company I bided my time, and then when noticing him updating his comic I seized my opperunity and through the ancient and powerful technique of asking politely, I was able to seize control of his Asus EEE and put down the words you see before you.
Whose company? Opportunity.
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Although Joshua was so much created by Jakob as prolonged, so its more the prolongee has turned on its prolonger... or something.
I think you a word out. ;-]
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and so, with all immediatly relevant items
immediately. :-P
Oh, and, of course:
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The answer, much like all of you, is simple.
I'd ask how you know, but the answer is, of course, is obvious. ;-]
I think that should be most of it fixed.
What's scarier? Buiseness suits or fursuits?
Quote from: Tapewolf on November 28, 2008, 02:39:41 PM
I think that should be most of it fixed.
Aww, man. That ruins all the fun of poking fun at him... ;-]
Quote from: Gabi on November 28, 2008, 03:00:40 PM
What's scarier? Buiseness suits or fursuits?
Fursuits.
If it comes to a choice between hanging out with a bunch of people dressed as animals or listening to the usual inane prattle from our parent company, I know which I'd choose.
And fursuiters are a lot less scary after you've been to a convention.
Birthday suits...
Will you people leave the suits alone and comment on the comic? :<
Would that suit you?
Quote from: llearch n'n'daCorna on November 28, 2008, 05:49:55 PM
Would that suit you?
No. Your pun is unforgivable. Just give me some time to come up with a suitable punishment.
How... unsuitable.
I'm supposed to be the pun maestro! :<
Oh well...
The comic does look good Ren. I'm just not sure what to say beyond that. I already know what's going to happen, so it kinda leaves me with less to talk about... :/
Quote from: James StarRunner on November 28, 2008, 06:13:28 PM
I'm supposed to be the pun maestro! :<
Well, you know how it is. One gets suited up, and then starts being pungent...
Quote from: Ren Gaulen on November 28, 2008, 05:47:33 PM
Will you people leave the suits alone and comment on the comic? :<
It might be an idea to move some of this to the RBW thread in the Adventurers' Guild.
Nonetheless, Sofox did spot a business fursuit in the flesh, if that is the right word. That has been posted in the RBW thread.
Quote from: llearch n'n'daCorna on November 28, 2008, 06:16:12 PM
Well, you know how it is. One gets suited up, and then starts being pungent...
Try showering.
i don't think he want to kill cross but whats up with everyone wanting to resurrect this dark god? i've never forced anyone into situation like that even when i was crazy and i surly won't do t sane.... you didn't just read that nothing to see here move along.
Quote from: llearch n'n'daCorna on November 28, 2008, 04:02:04 PM
Quote from: Mao Laoren on November 28, 2008, 03:11:17 PM
Quote from: Gabi on November 28, 2008, 03:00:40 PM
What's scarier? Buiseness suits or fursuits?
Fursuits.
Business fursuits.
Is that any different than fursuits in business suits?
Anyway, in the last panel, I think it looks like he has a shield up or building, that blue haze (or is it a purple haze? :mwaha ). Or is it green? The yellow background makes it a little hard to tell when it's so faint.
Quote from: AmigaDragon on December 01, 2008, 03:29:29 PM
Anyway, in the last panel, I think it looks like he has a shield up or building, that blue haze (or is it a purple haze? :mwaha ). Or is it green? The yellow background makes it a little hard to tell when it's so faint.
You might want to see what Jakob/Kris did the last time someone aimed a gun at him:
http://www.project-future.org/strip.php?strip=26 (This is the graphically violent strip)
Quote from: Tapewolf on December 01, 2008, 03:32:02 PM
Quote from: AmigaDragon on December 01, 2008, 03:29:29 PM
that blue haze (or is it a purple haze? :mwaha ). Or is it green?
You might want to see what Jakob/Kris did the last time someone aimed a gun at him:
http://www.project-future.org/strip.php?strip=26 (This is the graphically violent strip)
Ok, there it looks a little more blue. Did he push Josh out in front of himself or was that just general panic in the room?
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Quote from: AmigaDragon on December 02, 2008, 12:06:50 AM
Ok, there it looks a little more blue. Did he push Josh out in front of himself or was that just general panic in the room?
Josh pushed Kris out of the way and took the shot himself, not knowing that Kris had a projectile shield. In page 26 the shield was a bit too obvious... I was trying to make it more subtle this time since it would alter Joshua's behaviour if he sees it.
Page 42 is up.
Guess he wasn't quick enough. Hope he isn't surprised by that.
Quote from: Mao Laoren on December 05, 2008, 02:32:44 PM
Guess he wasn't quick enough. Hope he isn't surprised by that.
Speed is overrated.
Particularly when dealing with something that has abilities in the realm of thought. Thoughts are much faster than most things.
Quote from: Mao Laoren on December 05, 2008, 02:45:17 PM
Particularly when dealing with something that has abilities in the realm of thought. Thoughts are much faster than most things.
"A thought is faster than a trigger finger." :B ..But is it really the case? >:3
I've had a lot of thoughts about this strip, but I've already told them all to Tape.
One of them was the suggestion that he could drive a car at full speed towards the target and even if the killswitch did kick in, momentum would finish the job.
Another thought was referencing the end of Robocop, which I spoiled for him in case he ever decides to watch that movie again.
Finally, I think I also expressed dismay that Joshua never considered that Jakob wouldn't provide for the possibility that what he created turning against him.
Quote from: Sofox on December 05, 2008, 04:36:53 PM
Finally, I think I also expressed dismay that Joshua never considered that Jakob wouldn't provide for the possibility that what he created turning against him.
True, but on the other hand, I'd be interested to know what you'd have done differently in his position.
Fun fact - originally this strip and the previous strip were a single, intricate page. Unfortunately it was too dense and the captioning wouldn't fit, so I split it into two pages - which also raises the chapter from 7 pages to 8 and makes it print out better. Ren deserved a break anyway.
Quote from: Tapewolf on December 05, 2008, 05:02:33 PM
Ren deserved a break anyway.
Aww.. you're so generous to your Sla...er.. artist.
Quote from: Tapewolf on December 05, 2008, 05:02:33 PM
True, but on the other hand, I'd be interested to know what you'd have done differently in his position.
Honestly, I'd never want to kill him in the first place. Granted, this wouldn't make me a good agent, but in this situation I'd do everything I could to get the plane working, even if it risked getting caught. This is both because of moral reasons and because there's too much uncertainty in a plan that involves trying to kill Jakob (see more below).
But let's say there's this hypothetical situation where I know (I couldn't just suspect, I'd have to be certain) that Jakob's actions would bring about terrible circumstances with great loss of life and that there was no way of avoiding it if I didn't do something. First I'd see if there was an indirect way to halt his plans (aside from escaping). Destruction of equipment, even taking a hammer to that soul gem thingy would be one option. Destroying the prototype (essentially suicide) would be gutsy, but I don't know if I'd do that even if I knew there was no other option (no one knows until the situation arises).
And if it came to confronting Jakob and I had to kill him? Well, I'd be scared stiff. He's a Cubi with unclear magical powers a spate of unknown technologies so there's a gigantic X factor I wouldn't know how to approach. Gunshots seem to be a standard thing a guy like him would protect against so if I decided on a gunshot, it would be from behind without warning and preferably at a vital organ. Simply confronting him head on would give him way too much opportunity to do who knows what? Of course, I would do this with the assumption that the killswitch is something needs to be manually activated by him so I'd still be screwed in the end. Preferably I'd see if there was another way with more certainty and impact. I don't know how readily available explosives are in the base (I've never been there) but that would be one thing I'd consider as it would give a strong enough punch ensure Jakob doesn't set up a shield or regenerate after injury. I'd need to look around the base to see if there are any other resources I could utilise (call me MacSofox!), but if there's nothing else I could use, then it looks like I'd have to fall back on the gun.
So in conclusion, I suppose you're right. I'd be a lot slower to resort to murder in Joshua's situation but if circumstances meant I'd had to, it would be out of desperation and I'd plan something where I struck fast with Jakob not seeing it coming (hard when Cubi are mindreaders). However, even if I didn't get qualms, get caught or freeze at the last moment, I'd still fail anyway because I'd fall victim to the killswitch which I'd always assume it was manual, not something automatically triggered if I tried to kill him.
Boy, that was an extremely long winded and wordy reply to a simple question, but in my defense, you did ask for my thoughts on a subject.
And now we cue to the scene change where shonen-ai snugglings take place. :U
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...eh? eh? :B
(And thus Amber never gets to draw guest comics for Project Future)
Seriously though, nifty stuff. I look forward to the next updates. :3
Quote from: Amber Williams on December 05, 2008, 09:25:38 PM
And now we cue to the scene change where shonen-ai snugglings take place. :U
Aaaaah, don't give me bad ideas!! D:
How about if the bad ideas are disguised as good ones? :B
Quote from: Sofox on December 05, 2008, 04:36:53 PM
Another thought was referencing the end of Robocop, which I spoiled for him in case he ever decides to watch that movie again.
Finally, I think I also expressed dismay that Joshua never considered that Jakob wouldn't provide for the possibility that what he created turning against him.
How can you spoiler a movie that someone might
watch AGAIN? Does he have amnesia regarding the movie he's seen?
Disregarding the discussion here before reading page 42, it left me with more questions than answers. Did Jakob/Kris/Cross actively stop Josh? Did a safety program shut him down (just barely) before pulling the trigger? Did he pull the trigger (stopped by shield. we didn't see/hear a gunshot, did we?) just before collapsing? Did he have a computer/mechanical version of a fainting spell (unrelated to the safety shutdown idea)?
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Quote from: Amber Williams on December 05, 2008, 10:48:49 PM
How about if the bad ideas are disguised as good ones? :B
I thought that was?
Quote from: AmigaDragon on December 06, 2008, 03:27:41 AM
How can you spoiler a movie that someone might watch AGAIN? Does he have amnesia regarding the movie he's seen?
Robocop came out on general release in 1987, so my dad would have rented it about 19,20 years ago. I don't think I actually sat and watched it end-to-end anyway, but I certainly saw chunks of it. Either way, I'd forgotten the ending until Sofox mentioned it. That and I was intending to buy the DVD, which I'll still do at some point, spoiler or no.
QuoteDid a safety program shut him down (just barely) before pulling the trigger? Did he pull the trigger (stopped by shield. we didn't see/hear a gunshot, did we?)
What happened will come up in the next page, though it has been hinted at already somewhere in the comic.
Quote from: Amber Williams on December 05, 2008, 09:25:38 PM
And now we cue to the scene change where shonen-ai snugglings take place. :U
This time next year, perhaps...
Quote from: Amber Williams on December 05, 2008, 09:25:38 PM
(And thus Amber never gets to draw guest comics for Project Future)
We-e-ll, if you're offering, there's a short segment around chapter 12 that would work wonders...
Quote from: llearch n'n'daCorna on December 06, 2008, 05:24:46 AM
Quote from: Amber Williams on December 05, 2008, 10:48:49 PM
How about if the bad ideas are disguised as good ones? :B
I thought that was?
You were right. I should have written "Ebil ideas".
Quote from: Sofox on December 05, 2008, 06:24:36 PM
Honestly, I'd never want to kill him in the first place. Granted, this wouldn't make me a good agent, but in this situation I'd do everything I could to get the plane working, even if it risked getting caught. This is both because of moral reasons and because there's too much uncertainty in a plan that involves trying to kill Jakob (see more below).
In this case it's not a particularly practical approach since the aircraft will take a fair amount of machining to replace the front undercarriage so it can even take off. Fixing the fuel line and refueling it is easy by comparison. Even if he knows the location of and can work out how to operate all the necessary equipment in the base, he's not going to be able to do much in the time he has to hand. If he did somehow get it working, the patrol aircraft would intercept him as he tried to escape. If he tried to leave on foot, they'd be able to detect him as he left the perimeter and send the panthers after him. All these things are things which have been made clear - or at least implied - to him around chapter 2.
QuoteDestruction of equipment, even taking a hammer to that soul gem thingy would be one option.
If you meant the communicator, that wouldn't prevent it.
QuoteDestroying the prototype (essentially suicide) would be gutsy, but I don't know if I'd do that even if I knew there was no other option (no one knows until the situation arises).
I hadn't considered that, but now I think about it, Joshua would have been included in the ruleset himself, so it's likely that he
can't deliberately kill himself. At the very least he'd have a very tough time as the body was designed to be well-protected.
QuotePreferably I'd see if there was another way with more certainty and impact. I don't know how readily available explosives are in the base (I've never been there) but that would be one thing I'd consider as it would give a strong enough punch ensure Jakob doesn't set up a shield or regenerate after injury. I'd need to look around the base to see if there are any other resources I could utilise (call me MacSofox!), but if there's nothing else I could use, then it looks like I'd have to fall back on the gun.
I don't think they have explosives. They wouldn't really need them. It might just be possible to set up a booby-trap, but I wouldn't bank on it.
Quote from: Ren Gaulen on December 05, 2008, 09:29:40 PM
Quote from: Amber Williams on December 05, 2008, 09:25:38 PM
And now we cue to the scene change where shonen-ai snugglings take place. :U
Aaaaah, don't give me bad ideas!! D:
See, bad is such a relative term. I mean, what's bad for one is downright peachy for another. Beyond that, the way he's all incapacitated on the floor like that, curled up a bit.. it looks like he's all set up to be little spoon.
Just sayin'.
Quote from: Mao Laoren on December 06, 2008, 03:20:15 PM
the way he's all incapacitated on the floor like that, curled up a bit.. it looks like he's all set up to be little spoon.
Do I want to know what that means?
Quote from: Tapewolf on December 06, 2008, 03:25:00 PM
Quote from: Mao Laoren on December 06, 2008, 03:20:15 PM
the way he's all incapacitated on the floor like that, curled up a bit.. it looks like he's all set up to be little spoon.
Do I want to know what that means?
If you asking "Do I want to know?", then you probably don't want to. :B
Hmm well that was upsetting for the cyborg huskie
Quote from: Ren Gaulen on December 06, 2008, 03:46:10 PM
Quote from: Tapewolf on December 06, 2008, 03:25:00 PM
Do I want to know what that means?
If you asking "Do I want to know?", then you probably don't want to. :B
I'm happy to enlighten you.
Big Spoon and Little Spoon are the two parts to spooning, or cuddling-with-intentions...
Quote from: llearch n'n'daCorna on December 06, 2008, 05:30:10 PM
Big Spoon and Little Spoon are the two parts to spooning, or cuddling-with-intentions...
Not quite as bad as I'd thought. But not about to happen, either.
Quote from: Zedd on December 06, 2008, 04:58:56 PM
Hmm well that was upsetting for the cyborg huskie
Well, I think he's more shit-scared than upset just now. And technically he hasn't been a cyborg for a while now, having lost all his organic components...
Hey Tape, pretty clever about including the person in their own ruleset. As for the rest, I guess it shows how few options Joshua had. I hate to criticize, but it would have been nice if some of these nuances were more clear in the comic, it just seemed a little sudden for me for Joshua to quickly turn his mind to murder, he didn't seem to agonize over it that much or at least give a good emotional glimpse into why he feels that murder is the only option. This is all of course my own personal opinion.
By the way, I almost lost that guest text update I wrote. I figure you don't hold onto text updates since you showed how you just uploaded a new file that overwrote the previous one, but fortunately Google cache held onto #41's update so I was able to grab myself a copy.
Quote from: Tapewolf on December 06, 2008, 06:02:28 PM
Quote from: Zedd on December 06, 2008, 04:58:56 PM
Hmm well that was upsetting for the cyborg huskie
Well, I think he's more shit-scared than upset just now. And technically he hasn't been a cyborg for a while now, having lost all his organic components...
I was wondering about that since his mind/soul was originally organic-based before being grafted to cybernetics (thus, cyborganic). Does
transfer from cyborganics to cybernetics actually change his status from cyborg to android? I'd think it could be debated either way, between origin and current state.
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Quote from: Sofox on December 06, 2008, 08:12:30 PM
Hey Tape, pretty clever about including the person in their own ruleset. As for the rest, I guess it shows how few options Joshua had. I hate to criticize, but it would have been nice if some of these nuances were more clear in the comic, it just seemed a little sudden for me for Joshua to quickly turn his mind to murder, he didn't seem to agonize over it that much or at least give a good emotional glimpse into why he feels that murder is the only option. This is all of course my own personal opinion.
I like to think that he was bluffing at first, or at least aiming for the shoulder as a warning when he pulled the trigger. Yes, it would have been nice if we could have gone over all the options in more detail.
Actually, looking at the last panel of chapter 5 there does seem to be enough room to add more text so I might expand on it slightly and update it retroactively. I don't usually make a habit of this... I prefer to correct things only within a single chapter, but it has happened.
QuoteBy the way, I almost lost that guest text update I wrote. I figure you don't hold onto text updates since you showed how you just uploaded a new file that overwrote the previous one, but fortunately Google cache held onto #41's update so I was able to grab myself a copy.
Good. You should have asked - the file is probably still on the eeepc or the memory stick. And actually, I have been archiving most of the rants on my mac. I made sure to grab yours as soon as I got back.
Quote from: AmigaDragon on December 06, 2008, 11:06:16 PM
I was wondering about that since his mind/soul was originally organic-based before being grafted to cybernetics (thus, cyborganic). Does transfer from cyborganics to cybernetics actually change his status from cyborg to android? I'd think it could be debated either way, between origin and current state.
Difficult to say. His body certainly is an android rather than a cyborg, but his mind is a tricky one. Is Joshua an artificial intelligence? I'd say no, because it was grown naturally, though that's kind of what you're arguing to say that he's a cyborg.
Personally, I just refer to them as android replicas and leave it at that.
Quote from: Tapewolf on December 07, 2008, 07:30:00 AM
Quote from: AmigaDragon on December 06, 2008, 11:06:16 PM
I was wondering about that since his mind/soul was originally organic-based before being grafted to cybernetics (thus, cyborganic). Does transfer from cyborganics to cybernetics actually change his status from cyborg to android? I'd think it could be debated either way, between origin and current state.
Difficult to say. His body certainly is an android rather than a cyborg, but his mind is a tricky one. Is Joshua an artificial intelligence? I'd say no, because it was grown naturally, though that's kind of what you're arguing to say that he's a cyborg.
Personally, I just refer to them as android replicas and leave it at that.
Well, Joshua's body is 100% artificially created, and the soul is the only part of the original Joshua that's left. So I guess he is an android alright, but a one with a living soul for its core. So first and foremost, he is still Joshua. Android is just a term to describe his current state.
I'm thinking of updating page 40 to add slightly more detail as to why Joshua can't flee.
These are the two versions of the page, comments would be much appreciated.
http://www.project-future.org/strips/comic/strip040.png - old
http://www.project-future.org/strips/comic/strip040a.png - new
Mmm. That makes more sense. It also highlights the perimeter alarms, which it's been a while since we last saw...
Yeah, it's a lot more clear this way, at least to me.
To me too.
Okay, I've gone with it. Page 40 is now updated. I'll have to remember to make a note about that when I do the rant.
Quote from: Ren Gaulen on December 07, 2008, 07:58:52 AM
Quote from: Tapewolf on December 07, 2008, 07:30:00 AM
Quote from: AmigaDragon on December 06, 2008, 11:06:16 PM
I was wondering about that since his mind/soul was originally organic-based before being grafted to cybernetics (thus, cyborganic). Does transfer from cyborganics to cybernetics actually change his status from cyborg to android? I'd think it could be debated either way, between origin and current state.
Difficult to say. His body certainly is an android rather than a cyborg, but his mind is a tricky one. Is Joshua an artificial intelligence? I'd say no, because it was grown naturally, though that's kind of what you're arguing to say that he's a cyborg.
Personally, I just refer to them as android replicas and leave it at that.
Well, Joshua's body is 100% artificially created, and the soul is the only part of the original Joshua that's left. So I guess he is an android alright, but a one with a living soul for its core. So first and foremost, he is still Joshua. Android is just a term to describe his current state.
Like Rieko in Yosh (http://www.yoshsaga.com/). Just different method, one trapped before death with a soul stone and the other somehow retrieved after death. Both originally organic but now synthetic. At least Josh seems to have most (if not all) of his memories, Rieko has trouble with hers (perhaps the trauma of death).
Quote from: Tapewolf on December 07, 2008, 08:03:01 AM
I'm thinking of updating page 40 to add slightly more detail as to why Joshua can't flee.
These are the two versions of the page, comments would be much appreciated.
http://www.project-future.org/strips/comic/strip040.png - old
http://www.project-future.org/strips/comic/strip040a.png - new
"Error 404 one of us is wrong" is the new version? :mwaha
Quote from: AmigaDragon on December 08, 2008, 12:31:48 PM
Like Rieko in Yosh (http://www.yoshsaga.com/). Just different method, one trapped before death with a soul stone and the other somehow retrieved after death. Both originally organic but now synthetic. At least Josh seems to have most (if not all) of his memories, Rieko has trouble with hers (perhaps the trauma of death).
It's a theme we're likely to revisit, though not for a long time.
Quote"Error 404 one of us is wrong" is the new version? :mwaha
Someone arrived a little late to that particular party...
Quote from: Tapewolf on December 08, 2008, 12:34:53 PM
It's a theme we're likely to revisit, though not for a long time.
Well.. if you won't go with that theme, the suggestion Amber made still stands. It would be an 'interesting' break from an otherwise fairly serious and straightforward comic. Or if you wanted to go even further, I still say my observation about the spoon situation could have what some would see as pleasant results.
Quote from: Tapewolf on December 08, 2008, 12:34:53 PM
Quote from: AmigaDragon on December 08, 2008, 12:31:48 PM"Error 404 one of us is wrong" is the new version? :mwaha
Someone arrived a little late to that particular party...
Sorry, I don't always check forums for a weekly strip several times a day. :mowwink
Quote from: AmigaDragon on December 08, 2008, 03:00:59 PM
Sorry, I don't always check forums for a weekly strip several times a day. :mowwink
Point. Though it does highlight the PF section in bold when there's something new there.
Quote from: Mao Laoren on December 08, 2008, 01:12:58 PM
Well.. if you won't go with that theme, the suggestion Amber made still stands. It would be an 'interesting' break from an otherwise fairly serious and straightforward comic. Or if you wanted to go even further, I still say my observation about the spoon situation could have what some would see as pleasant results.
We have an android with incomplete memory coming up in chapter 24, assuming nothing catastrophic interrupts the comic before then.
And Amber is quite welcome to draw Shonen-Ai of my characters if she wants. As is Ren. Just don't expect it to appear on the front page :P
**EDIT**
Having said that, we might need some kind of "Breaking up for Christmas" picture. Sure, it's not what I was thinking in terms of, but what the heck...
Quote from: Tapewolf on December 08, 2008, 03:32:27 PM
And Amber is quite welcome to draw Shonen-Ai of my characters if she wants. As is Ren. Just don't expect it to appear on the front page :P
Can I draw some? c:
Quote from: Keaton the Black Jackal on December 09, 2008, 04:08:37 PM
Can I draw some? c:
I don't see why not. But remember you're already booked for chapter 11 :P
Quote from: Tapewolf on December 08, 2008, 03:32:27 PM
And Amber is quite welcome to draw Shonen-Ai of my characters if she wants. As is Ren. Just don't expect it to appear on the front page :P
**EDIT**
Having said that, we might need some kind of "Breaking up for Christmas" picture. Sure, it's not what I was thinking in terms of, but what the heck...
I'd make a joke about Jakob requesting to stuff Joshua's stocking. But I figure Joshua would "deck" Jakob's halls. :U
Quote from: Amber Williams on December 11, 2008, 03:16:27 PM
I'd make a joke about Jakob requesting to stuff Joshua's stocking. But I figure Joshua would "deck" Jakob's halls. :U
I walked right into that, didn't I :rolleyes
Replace Jakob with Daryil and it'd be dead on. Jakob is more of a lady's man...
Quote from: Tapewolf on December 11, 2008, 04:20:23 PM
Quote from: Amber Williams on December 11, 2008, 03:16:27 PM
I'd make a joke about Jakob requesting to stuff Joshua's stocking. But I figure Joshua would "deck" Jakob's halls. :U
I walked right into that, didn't I :rolleyes
Replace Jakob with Daryil and it'd be dead on. Jakob is more of a lady's man...
...that works for me! :U
I sense some plotting going on. :paranoid
Does it disturb you that you don't seem to be part of it?
Quote from: Sofox on December 11, 2008, 09:59:10 PM
Does it disturb you that you don't seem to be part of it?
It does not.
Because I am. :eek
Early update today, as I was bored.
Way to go, Johan! Kick him when he's down!
Quote from: Ren Gaulen on December 12, 2008, 12:17:15 PM
Way to go, Johan! Kick him when he's down!
At least he won't break any ribs...
Lies! He's totally kidding. :U The very fact there is even the pretense of a choice indicates that he's bluffing about changing his mind. It would make no sense at all keeping a free-thought troublemaker if it was simple enough to mentally re-write them. At least thats my take on it.
Course odds are Joshua isnt thinking fully straight here, what with the panic and all whatnot. :B
On a more artistic crit, the inclusion of scenery elements doesn't really help out as much as one would probably want. that first panel in particular. The way things are arranged, it makes the area seem more empty and barren than anything. Like a bachelor's apartment where they only have a couch and a tv propped up on some milkcartons. Then again that may be the intent.
...I still say snugglings are in order. That chair with the daisies isn't helping anyones case. :U
Aha I totally forgot about the daisy. I forgot to mention that was awesome. Absurdly awesome.
Quote from: Amber Williams on December 12, 2008, 12:52:32 PM
...I still say snugglings are in order. That chair with the daisies isn't helping anyones case. :U
At first I thought the wing tentacles in the fourth frame were rope and that our friend here was being tied down to the daisy chair (though given how he's incapacitated and under control, that wouldn't be necessary) which would have just added fuel to the fire. Either way.. who knows Amber, maybe given that shonen-ai is kinda evil it will be part of the ritual. :P
Quote from: Amber Williams on December 12, 2008, 12:52:32 PM
The very fact there is even the pretense of a choice indicates that he's bluffing about changing his mind. It would make no sense at all keeping a free-thought troublemaker if it was simple enough to mentally re-write them. At least thats my take on it.
Joshua's brain may be artificial, but that doesn't mean that Jakob can just rewrite bits of him willy-nilly. At the end of the day, it's a black box... it does its job, you don't need to understand how.
This means that if Jakob really wants to modify Josh's attitudes or memories, it's going to have to be done 'Cubi-style which will be extremely difficult and extremely dangerous. Far easier to scare Josh into doing what he's told.
If it did come to mind-editing, Jakob would probably palm the job off onto Daryil (since he's 4200 and far more experienced). That alone would be a terrible threat since Daryil would probably make his own alterations too just for fun. Joshua might come away believing that he had three parents or that his mother was an onion or something.
QuoteOn a more artistic crit, the inclusion of scenery elements doesn't really help out as much as one would probably want. that first panel in particular. The way things are arranged, it makes the area seem more empty and barren than anything. Like a bachelor's apartment where they only have a couch and a tv propped up on some milkcartons. Then again that may be the intent.
I'm fairly conscious of that. Suggestions for improving it would be quite welcome, actually.
Having said that, this room was originally supposed to be a tool store or something. The base is actually very, very big and only has about four people regularly staying there. So I'm not complaining about the sparseness too much. Other locations will require more attention to detail, though.
Quote...I still say snugglings are in order. That chair with the daisies isn't helping anyones case. :U
Dammit, I was going to say something about the Comfy Chair in the strip description.
Quote from: Mao Laoren on December 12, 2008, 01:27:58 PM
At first I thought the wing tentacles in the fourth frame were rope and that our friend here was being tied down to the daisy chair (though given how he's incapacitated and under control, that wouldn't be necessary) which have just added fuel to the fire.
It was to haul him into the chair, just in case that's unclear. Ren's rendition of the tentacles leaves them a bit more stringy than Amber's would, maybe something we should think about next time they appear.
The thing I would recommend for working out size and space in rooms is a bit of work but seems to work well. Making a floor layout of the place works wonders since it lets you always check to see if there was a particular table here or a shelf there and about how far apart they are.
As lame as it sounds, I think I have used my Sims 2 game for building floorplans of buildings as reference than actually playing the game. :U
But I find it works wonders in keeping things consistant and lets you get a bit of a feel for the size in advance, that way when you space things in the actual comic, you have a point of reference so to speak. But then again I dont know the dimensions of the base and whatnot.
Quote from: Amber Williams on December 12, 2008, 01:50:41 PM
The thing I would recommend for working out size and space in rooms is a bit of work but seems to work well. Making a floor layout of the place works wonders since it lets you always check to see if there was a particular table here or a shelf there and about how far apart they are.
Good idea. I'll consider that approach for future scenes. It would probably do me good to draw up some kind of map of the base, though there are... problems with that which will come up in due course.
QuoteAs lame as it sounds, I think I have used my Sims 2 game for building floorplans of buildings as reference than actually playing the game. :U
Heh. One of the things I am intending to do - when we get to the inner sanctum a few chapters later - is model it in Doom or Duke Nukem 3D.
Quote from: Tapewolf on December 12, 2008, 01:43:51 PM
Quote...I still say snugglings are in order. That chair with the daisies isn't helping anyones case. :U
Dammit, I was going to say something about the Comfy Chair in the strip description.
Biggles! Bring out... the
Comfy Chair!
Quote from: Mao Laoren on December 12, 2008, 01:27:58 PM
Either way.. who knows Amber, maybe given that shonen-ai is kinda evil it will be part of the ritual. :P
I blame the severe lack of females at this camp. Its guy-a-palooza up at the arctic. :U
Quote from: Amber Williams on December 12, 2008, 09:32:09 PM
Quote from: Mao Laoren on December 12, 2008, 01:27:58 PM
Either way.. who knows Amber, maybe given that shonen-ai is kinda evil it will be part of the ritual. :P
I blame the severe lack of females at this camp. Its guy-a-palooza up at the arctic. :U
BUT THEN KEATON'S BOOBS COME TO SAVE THE DAY. :U
Oh, and some other characters.
Quote from: Keaton the Black Jackal on December 12, 2008, 10:37:40 PM
BUT THEN KEATON'S BOOBS COME TO SAVE THE DAY. :U
Oh, and some other characters.
But drawing shonen ai with Keatons boobs is just going to make things very awkward.
Then again...
*thinks*
...nope. Still awkward. :B
Quote from: Amber Williams on December 12, 2008, 10:55:00 PM
But drawing shonen ai with Keatons boobs is just going to make things very awkward.
...
Oh god I needed to literally slap my hand to keep myself from saying something dreadful and not-PG. :B Still, I lol'd hard. I would have drawn that just for the challenge if it wasn't completely impossible without being disturbing.
...
*tap dances out of the topic*
Quote from: Jairus on December 12, 2008, 02:10:07 PM
Quote from: Tapewolf on December 12, 2008, 01:43:51 PM
Quote...I still say snugglings are in order. That chair with the daisies isn't helping anyones case. :U
Dammit, I was going to say something about the Comfy Chair in the strip description.
Biggles! Bring out... the Comfy Chair!
And you will stay there until lunchtime, with only a cup of coffee at eleven!
Quote from: Keaton the Black Jackal on December 12, 2008, 11:11:57 PM
Quote from: Amber Williams on December 12, 2008, 10:55:00 PM
But drawing shonen ai with Keatons boobs is just going to make things very awkward.
...
Oh god I needed to literally slap my hand to keep myself from saying something dreadful and not-PG. :B Still, I lol'd hard. I would have drawn that just for the challenge if it wasn't completely impossible without being disturbing.
...
*tap dances out of the topic*
This isn't Lost Lake. You're welcome to be non-PG.
... if Tapewolf says so, anyway. ;-]
Quote from: Amber Williams on December 12, 2008, 09:32:09 PM
I blame the severe lack of females at this camp. Its guy-a-palooza up at the arctic. :U
There's a reason for that, and it's
I suck at creating female characters. There are only about five persistent female characters in the whole damn thing. Actually, it might be an interesting exercise to tally up the whole cast and see. Maybe I should change the sex of some minor characters to help...
That said, it isn't as bad as it would be in an Arctic base on Earth. Since most of the characters at the base can teleport there is little to stop them going off on a break if life gets too dull. There's also another factor related to the base itself that I won't go into yet and the fact that the Arctic base is a relatively new thing (this would also be a good excuse for the 'sparse look'). And this tale shall also be told.
Quote from: Keaton the Black Jackal on December 12, 2008, 10:37:40 PM
BUT THEN KEATON'S BOOBS COME TO SAVE THE DAY. :U
I was hoping to cameo all of Keaton, not just her boobs :<
Quote from: llearch n'n'daCorna on December 13, 2008, 04:15:33 AM
This isn't Lost Lake. You're welcome to be non-PG.
... if Tapewolf says so, anyway. ;-]
Actually it seems to be
Ren's forum now. Anyway, the comic itself is Web-14 so I'd grant a sensible amount of leeway.
Quote from: Keaton the Black Jackal on December 12, 2008, 10:37:40 PM
BUT THEN KEATON'S BOOBS COME TO SAVE THE DAY. :U
That reminds me of a meeting for a college society I was in once.
Guy: Alright we'll need to get people interested in the event. You can do it, you're better at getting people to go?
Girl: Why me?
Guy: Because you've got boobs.
Girl: So do you!
*round of oooohhhing in the room*
Guy: *moment of silence* All right, I'll take mine out and you take yours and we'll compare them!
Quote from: llearch n'n'daCorna on December 13, 2008, 04:15:33 AM
This isn't Lost Lake. You're welcome to be non-PG.
... if Tapewolf says so, anyway. ;-]
Okay, fine, I'll say it. :B
"Amber, have you ever heard of a boob job? And I don't mean the plastic surgery, baby."
*ba-dum tish*
Quote from: Keaton the Black Jackal on December 13, 2008, 11:02:43 AM
Quote from: llearch n'n'daCorna on December 13, 2008, 04:15:33 AM
This isn't Lost Lake. You're welcome to be non-PG.
... if Tapewolf says so, anyway. ;-]
Okay, fine, I'll say it. :B
"Amber, have you ever heard of a boob job? And I don't mean the plastic surgery, baby."
*ba-dum tish*
It still have nothing to do with shonen-ai. :B
Quote from: Tapewolf on December 13, 2008, 11:06:58 AM
Quote from: Keaton the Black Jackal on December 13, 2008, 11:02:43 AM
Okay, fine, I'll say it. :B
Is that virtuous?
No, Iolo. It isn't.
Quote from: Tapewolf on December 13, 2008, 08:15:11 AM
There are only about five persistent female characters in the whole damn thing. Actually, it might be an interesting exercise to tally up the whole cast and see. Maybe I should change the sex of some minor characters to help...
By the looks of it the cast currently features 69 male characters and about 19 female characters, so there's a ratio of about 3.5:1 in favour of male characters.
Of these, about 9 female characters are recurring or main cast members, and 31 males are recurring or main cast characters.
I must admit, I've not checked PF in a while, but this forum is amusing in it's own right.
Page 44 is up. As mentioned in the rant, there will be an update next week, it just won't advance the story. Or will it?
..I'm sorry, but I can't resist a stupid joke..
"Jakob! What does the monitor say about his power level? D:<"
"It's.. pretty low. :/"
Quote from: Ren Gaulen on December 19, 2008, 03:18:16 PM
"Jakob! What does the monitor say about his power level? D:<"
You mean "It's over 9"?
Quote from: Tapewolf on December 19, 2008, 06:10:35 PM
Quote from: Ren Gaulen on December 19, 2008, 03:18:16 PM
"Jakob! What does the monitor say about his power level? D:<"
You mean "It's over 9"?
...
HOW DID IT NOT OCCUR TO ME??? D:
Quote from: Ren Gaulen on December 19, 2008, 06:36:40 PM
HOW DID IT NOT OCCUR TO ME??? D:
Maybe I should have used that as the caption. All in favour say "Fulham"...
uh...Fulham? :B
Quote from: techmaster-glitch on December 19, 2008, 06:56:51 PM
uh...Fulham? :B
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citizen_Smith
..but yes, that was the idea :P
... One wonders if that was some of the inspiration for the Peoples Front of Judea... or the Peoples Judean Front. Or the Judean Peoples Front. Or...
"He's over there. Loser!"
Oh, I was saying "Fulham" in favor of the caption... :3
Yay! Did I mention I'm an Azrael fanboy? :3
Quote from: James StarRunner on December 19, 2008, 08:26:32 PM
Yay! Did I mention I'm an Azrael fanboy? :3
I guess that makes some sense. Wait until you see the next strip, though :mwaha
I told them what they asked, why I hold my breath
If Azrael on wings of death collects his pound of flesh
I told them what they asked, why I hold my breath
Azrael the angel brings only death--The Nice
GEEZ JAKOB. Can you ham it up anymore? :U
Farking Cubi and their zeal for dramatic poses and "hour is at hand" speeches. *shakes her cane*
nice comic, though i'm not sure what a robot has to do with ressurecting anything but i'm sure i'll find out eventually
Quote from: scorpio803 on December 19, 2008, 11:13:47 PM
nice comic, though i'm not sure what a robot has to do with ressurecting anything but i'm sure i'll find out eventually
I will not give spoilers, I will not give spoilers...
Quote from: Amber Williams on December 19, 2008, 10:27:10 PM
GEEZ JAKOB. Can you ham it up anymore? :U
Farking Cubi and their zeal for dramatic poses and "hour is at hand" speeches. *shakes her cane*
I'd almost say that the situation is adapting itself to match Joshua's worst fears.
Quote from: Amber Williams on December 19, 2008, 10:27:10 PM
GEEZ JAKOB. Can you ham it up anymore? :U
Yes. Yes, he can. >:]
Quote from: James StarRunner on December 20, 2008, 02:22:06 AM
Quote from: scorpio803 on December 19, 2008, 11:13:47 PM
nice comic, though i'm not sure what a robot has to do with ressurecting anything but i'm sure i'll find out eventually
I will not give spoilers, I will not give spoilers...
yes, because spoiler are my one true weakness.
Quote from: scorpio803 on December 20, 2008, 05:21:41 PM
yes, because spoiler are my one true weakness.
And here I thought grammar or typing might be up there...
Quote from: llearch n'n'daCorna on December 20, 2008, 06:28:34 PM
Quote from: scorpio803 on December 20, 2008, 05:21:41 PM
yes, because spoiler are my one true weakness.
And here I thought grammar or typing might be up there...
You insult me, but yes, they are somewhere toward the top.
EDIT: oh yeah, i remembered the period!
No, I correct you. Insulting you requires effort.
Quote from: Tapewolf on December 20, 2008, 06:22:53 AM
Quote from: Amber Williams on December 19, 2008, 10:27:10 PM
GEEZ JAKOB. Can you ham it up anymore? :U
Farking Cubi and their zeal for dramatic poses and "hour is at hand" speeches. *shakes her cane*
I'd almost say that the situation is adapting itself to match Joshua's worst fears.
Yes, that's what I've been thinking. Poor Joshua. Why must Jakob torture him so? Then again, he did try to kill him.
All Jakob needs now is a top hat and a monocle. :3
And maybe some sort of goatee. :B
Quote from: Amber Williams on December 21, 2008, 01:19:35 PM
All Jakob needs now is a top hat and a monocle. :3
And maybe some sort of goatee. :B
"
Curses! Foiled again!"
Quote from: Ren Gaulen on December 21, 2008, 01:24:17 PM
"Curses! Foiled again!"
... as the potato said to the oven.
Quote from: Ren Gaulen on December 19, 2008, 03:18:16 PM
..I'm sorry, but I can't resist a stupid joke..
"Jakob! What does the monitor say about his power level? D:<"
"It's.. pretty low. :/"
Stupid joke? Doesn't look like a joke at all.
Quote from: Ren Gaulen on December 19, 2008, 06:36:40 PM
Quote from: Tapewolf on December 19, 2008, 06:10:35 PM
You mean "It's over 9"?
...
HOW DID IT NOT OCCUR TO ME??? D:
Umm... what? Still doesn't look like a joke.
Quote from: AmigaDragon on December 21, 2008, 10:47:15 PM
Quote from: Ren Gaulen on December 19, 2008, 03:18:16 PM
..I'm sorry, but I can't resist a stupid joke..
"Jakob! What does the monitor say about his power level? D:<"
"It's.. pretty low. :/"
Stupid joke? Doesn't look like a joke at all.
Quote from: Ren Gaulen on December 19, 2008, 06:36:40 PM
Quote from: Tapewolf on December 19, 2008, 06:10:35 PM
You mean "It's over 9"?
...
HOW DID IT NOT OCCUR TO ME??? D:
Umm... what? Still doesn't look like a joke.
I hope you
really don't know this thing from Dragonball Z about Goku's power level being over nine thousand and Vegeta throwing a fit about it..
Quote from: Gabi on December 21, 2008, 11:41:55 AM
Yes, that's what I've been thinking. Poor Joshua. Why must Jakob torture him so? Then again, he did try to kill him.
Or did he? If Joshua is actually asleep, like in chapter 3, it might provide a good way to see how he'd react and whether Jakob can trust him. And before you ask, the androids can sleep, though it's not necessary if they decide not to.
Quote from: llearch n'n'daCorna on December 21, 2008, 03:40:34 PM
Quote from: Ren Gaulen on December 21, 2008, 01:24:17 PM
"Curses! Foiled again!"
... as the potato said to the oven.
*groan* You've just been rolling out the hits of late llearch. :D
Quote from: Mao Laoren on December 22, 2008, 11:04:48 AM
*groan* You've just been rolling out the hits of late llearch. :D
Have I been growing moss?
No, rolling stones gather no moss.
Quote from: Ren Gaulen on December 22, 2008, 04:51:26 AM
Quote from: AmigaDragon on December 21, 2008, 10:47:15 PM
Umm... what? Still doesn't look like a joke.
I hope you really don't know this thing from Dragonball Z about Goku's power level being over nine thousand and Vegeta throwing a fit about it..
Nope, never even seen PART of a DBZ episode. I've seen a few of the original Dragonball (little monkey-tailed boy, right?), but that's it.
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Well, it was something that was said on one of the episodes that got memetically mutated (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/MemeticMutation).
I'll let this video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TBtpyeLxVkI) explain it.
where did you find this?
the video or the tropes page?
the video.
I just went to Youtube and typed in "Over 9000"...first thing that came up...took the least amount of effort to find a video I've ever looked for, really.
And then there are OVER NINE THOUSAAAAAAAAND remakes of the same video. The mutatations are staggering.
Quote from: techmaster-glitch on December 22, 2008, 06:56:20 PMI'll let this video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TBtpyeLxVkI) explain it.
I don't see where it explains anything, though kinda shows me the situation where you get your 9000
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Nice artwork (shading, etc.) on page 45. Looks like a comic book cover.
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Quote from: AmigaDragon on December 30, 2008, 02:40:52 PM
Nice artwork (shading, etc.) on page 45. Looks like a comic book cover.
Here's the original:
http://turnsky.deviantart.com/art/Spark-and-oil-change-83376291
...Though the version used on the page was a higher-res version.
There's a bit of story attached to that, actually. I originally got the idea for Future History around November 2006 or so. In late December of that year, I commissioned this picture from Turnsky - before the story itself had begun. (The series officially began in late February 2007).
The picture was finally completed in April 2008, and if I may say so was worth the wait.
Though because of its peculiar history, there are a few discrepancies between it and the story.
However, Ren and I have used it as a visual base for the comic - Niall was originally a sort of half-wolf, half-fox thing, but when Turnsky did him as a grey fox I thought it kicked ass.
**EDIT**
And I think we're still on track for a Friday update.
Just a quick note to say that we've kind of dropped the ball on this one. I think the main problem was family commitments on Ren's end. While anything's possible, if the strip is up at its usual time, it'll be the result of a minor miracle :rolleyes
Better late than never. Page 45 is up... enjoy it.
Here it comes... next page is the big suprise! :eager
Quote from: techmaster-glitch on January 02, 2009, 06:58:30 PM
Here it comes... next page is the big suprise! :eager
Yes, I suspect you may be surprised >:3
Quote from: techmaster-glitch on January 02, 2009, 06:58:30 PM
Here it comes... next page is the big suprise! :eager
They're gonna tell Joshua he is adopted? :U
Quote from: Amber Williams on January 02, 2009, 07:28:11 PM
They're gonna tell Joshua he is adopted? :U
Oh, snap! Where are the spoiler tags when you need them? :dface
Quote from: Ren Gaulen on January 03, 2009, 02:35:16 AM
Oh, snap! Where are the spoiler tags when you need them? :dface
Sorry. I had to use them for censor bars a bit ago. Who knew little black boxes could run out so quickly? :B
No-one has yet commented on the incantation. I'm disappointed :P
**EDIT**
Also, while you can only see about a third of him, Daryil has had a bit of a makeover, inspired by Turnsky's rendition which can be found here (http://i89.photobucket.com/albums/k216/tapewolf/dmfa/daryil-turnsky3.png). Get a commission from the man... he's good.
I'm still undecided as to whether I want to go back and recolour the hands from his appearance in chapter 3 (they're pale, should really be dark).
Quote from: Tapewolf on January 03, 2009, 07:34:21 AM
No-one has yet commented on the incantation. I'm disappointed :P
Oh. Sorry. I was meaning to ask you what was that incantation supposed to say, but forgot. :< (BTW, where did you get that font from? BlamBot? :3)
Quote from: Tapewolf on January 03, 2009, 07:34:21 AM
No-one has yet commented on the incantation.
Some have tried thinking about it. The unlucky few who figured it out are now incurably insane. ;)
And yes, we saw what you did there — "Press Return to resurrect"...
Quote from: SpottedKitty on January 03, 2009, 01:31:44 PM
Some have tried thinking about it. The unlucky few who figured it out are now incurably insane. ;)
That particular font was a pain to do. It's structurally damaged at the file level and the MacOS font renderer won't touch it with a stick. This is very, very annoying as the captioning is all done on the Mac.
I ended up rendering the font in GIMP as part of the image (GIMP uses the Linux font renderer which isn't so picky). This is why it's not in a speech bubble. Thinking about it, I may have a workaround for next time.
QuoteAnd yes, we saw what you did there — "Press Return to resurrect"...
If anyone can get hold of a 3DS mesh or something of a VT100 (or 101,102,103,180) I would be extremely grateful as it will suddenly make my life much easier. I had to build the keyboard up from this:
http://vt100.net/docs/vt100-ug/figure3-2.html
...carefully redrawing it all for copyright reasons and then trying to turn it into a 3/4 view of a keyboard.
Quote from: Ren Gaulen on January 03, 2009, 09:05:23 AM
Quote from: Tapewolf on January 03, 2009, 07:34:21 AM
No-one has yet commented on the incantation. I'm disappointed :P
Oh. Sorry. I was meaning to ask you what was that incantation supposed to say, but forgot. :< (BTW, where did you get that font from? BlamBot? :3)
Yeah. That'd be the font from Tales of the Quaestor. Hang 5, I think I looked up the strip a while ago...
Lovecraft's Diary (http://www.rhjunior.com/wiki/index.php?title=Lovecraft's_Diary), as shown in the strip itself (http://www.rhjunior.com/totq/00113.html), at one point, and there are two links for where to download it from that first URL.
It's possible that the other one of those might work better, or be a cleaner font. Or it's possible we could _make_ a clean font out of it...
Quote from: llearch n'n'daCorna on January 03, 2009, 04:08:34 PM
It's possible that the other one of those might work better, or be a cleaner font. Or it's possible we could _make_ a clean font out of it...
I couldn't find it on blambot, all the other copies I could find had the same issue except the bitmap versions, but the MacOS now only seems to support TTF fonts.
As for the exact problem:
http://i89.photobucket.com/albums/k216/tapewolf/scraps/fonterror.png
The 'font name table' appears to be missing or invalid. I believe it's the category that fonts are divided up by in the font picker, hence it gets kind of confused.
If anyone has access to a font design utility so we can construct one, that would be very handy...
I'll ask around. We might have something, but I suspect it's been lost in the talent bleed.
*looks over new page*
Next page:
"Just kidding! Hugs all around! Make love, not war!"
Anyway... looking forward to next week.
For some reason, when Yak said "throw the switch," I heard it in the same tone of voice that one guy says "pull the string!" in. Whoever he is. Aside from an impression by Freakazoid and an appearance in a Nostalgia Critic review (Mortal Kombat: Annihilation, for the record), I really have no idea who he is.
I think Jakob can think of reasons to keep the prototype around.
"If we run into trouble with your body, it could be beneficial if he were still available."Quote from: Tapewolf on January 03, 2009, 02:07:56 PM
If anyone can get hold of a 3DS mesh or something of a VT100 (or 101,102,103,180) I would be extremely grateful as it will suddenly make my life much easier. I had to build the keyboard up from this:
http://vt100.net/docs/vt100-ug/figure3-2.html
...carefully redrawing it all for copyright reasons and then trying to turn it into a 3/4 view of a keyboard.
I have a functioning VT100 somewhere around here, though it may be buried in a pile of computers, monitors and whatnot. I don't know when I could find it to dig it out for photos, or how much that would help. I'll start looking a bit today when I'm out (2 feet of snow makes it a bit harder to get out to storage sheds). I also have a newer model, I think maybe VT220.
Quote from: AmigaDragon on January 05, 2009, 01:02:33 PM
I have a functioning VT100 somewhere around here, though it may be buried in a pile of computers, monitors and whatnot. I don't know when I could find it to dig it out for photos, or how much that would help. I'll start looking a bit today when I'm out (2 feet of snow makes it a bit harder to get out to storage sheds). I also have a newer model, I think maybe VT220.
The VT220 is easier to do since it more-or-less resembles a monitor and a PC keyboard. The VT1xx series is somewhat less conventional.
If you can dig yours out, that really would be useful if you can photograph it from a variety of angles. I'd also be interested to see a screenshot of the display itself, since I'm not entirely sure what the font is like.
I meant to mention I thought Turnsky's rendition was spiffy. If I ever get out of my own financial bwargh, I totally need to get me some Turnsky art. :U
Quote from: Amber Williams on January 06, 2009, 02:19:55 PM
I meant to mention I thought Turnsky's rendition was spiffy. If I ever get out of my own financial bwargh, I totally need to get me some Turnsky art. :U
While it won't exactly help him pay the bills, I'd be very surprised if he said 'no' to an art-trade with you...
**EDIT**
Oh, fun fact - originally Daryil in that picture was holding a machine-gun since the main reference I've been using was taken from the dream sequence, and everyone draws him with the guns.
When I mentioned my regret at not specifying "And no machine-gun", he very kindly re-drew the hands (it's all done in Illustrator, by the way). This is the reason for his unusual pose - he was originally being blown backwards by the recoil or something.
Quote from: Tapewolf on January 05, 2009, 02:19:01 PM
The VT220 is easier to do since it more-or-less resembles a monitor and a PC keyboard. The VT1xx series is somewhat less conventional.
If you can dig yours out, that really would be useful if you can photograph it from a variety of angles. I'd also be interested to see a screenshot of the display itself, since I'm not entirely sure what the font is like.
Somehow I've misplaced my camera since before New Years but once I find it again, I'll get at this. I did find the units, and it won't be to hard to dig them out. I'll do both of them.
As for the font, I'm thinking it was a basic TTY font or whatever that's commonly available. If I drag it in out of the cold, I'll fire it up and get some text for you too. I believe it was green, but I could be wrong and it's white or amber.
If you're interested, I could also get you a couple pictures of an older floor-standing paper-output teletype. It's even for sale where I work. ;)
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Quote from: AmigaDragon on January 06, 2009, 04:11:22 PM
Somehow I've misplaced my camera since before New Years but once I find it again, I'll get at this. I did find the units, and it won't be to hard to dig them out. I'll do both of them.
As for the font, I'm thinking it was a basic TTY font or whatever that's commonly available. If I drag it in out of the cold, I'll fire it up and get some text for you too. I believe it was green, but I could be wrong and it's white or amber.
The precise colour doesn't matter quite so much... they did come in a variety.
QuoteIf you're interested, I could also get you a couple pictures of an older floor-standing paper-output teletype. It's even for sale where I work. ;)
Heh. I'd be interested to see it, but I doubt even Ashley would be masochistic enough to want to
use one.
Quote from: Amber Williams on January 06, 2009, 02:19:55 PM
I meant to mention I thought Turnsky's rendition was spiffy. If I ever get out of my own financial bwargh, I totally need to get me some Turnsky art. :U
that reminds me, i gotta finish that pic of Abel i was working on. :3
Quote from: Turnsky on January 07, 2009, 09:09:48 AM
that reminds me, i gotta finish that pic of Abel i was working on. :3
The spotless one?
Quote from: Tapewolf on January 07, 2009, 09:22:16 AM
Quote from: Turnsky on January 07, 2009, 09:09:48 AM
that reminds me, i gotta finish that pic of Abel i was working on. :3
The spotless one?
yah, gotta add the spots, color, and all that lovely stuff.
Just a quick note - it's actually Christmas day for the Russian Orthodox Church. I knew it was in January, but I couldn't find out when. Actually I thought it came later in the month.
Anyway, that means Ren's kind of tied up and the comic will probably be a day or so late.
Merry Christmas, Ren...
Thanks, Tape. I'm sorry for the inevitable delay.. :<
No worries.
Family and RL come first. Everyone with sense knows that.
Okay, Page 46 is live. It's actually 2/3 complete - the last two panels are fake and will be replaced when the real artwork is finished. The dialogue will be the same, of course.
Excellent! A tour! This must mean they are about to actually visit the women's side of the facility. :U
Quote from: Amber Williams on January 10, 2009, 03:07:21 PM
Excellent! A tour! This must mean they are about to actually visit the women's side of the facility. :U
I'm sure that can be arranged, though we are going to take a detour in the next chapter.
Actually I'm surprised you didn't comment about Jakob hugging Azrael in panel 6. Though I guess it doesn't show as much at this scale.
Now now, you did say Jakob was a ladies man, and I am anything but a follower of canon.
Besides, I know better than to get distracted by some platonic friendship of ambigous nature when I can focus on my DaryilxJoshua fanart! :eager
I stand corrected :3
Bwaahaahahaha!!! Awesome! Totally awesome! Joshua's expression is perfect too. Great job on setting this one up.
Looks like we've got a pair of heterosexual life partners (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/HeterosexualLifePartners) on our hands though.
The tour sounds lovely.
Quote from: Amber Williams on January 10, 2009, 04:36:03 PM
Besides, I know better than to get distracted by some platonic friendship of ambigous nature when I can focus on my DaryilxJoshua fanart! :eager
Ooh! I look forward to this!
Quote from: Jairus on January 10, 2009, 08:27:21 PM
Quote from: Amber Williams on January 10, 2009, 04:36:03 PM
Besides, I know better than to get distracted by some platonic friendship of ambigous nature when I can focus on my DaryilxJoshua fanart! :eager
Ooh! I look forward to this!
Seconded! :>
Quote from: Jairus on January 10, 2009, 08:27:21 PM
Bwaahaahahaha!!! Awesome! Totally awesome! Joshua's expression is perfect too. Great job on setting this one up.
Thanks. To be honest, it worked better on paper than it did visually - it was more obvious that the new android was Azrael, because you got to see him. I then had to play it as if Azrael was actually evil.
That and Ren may have gone slightly overboard with some of Jakob's evil expressions... It's fun how Josh still laps it up, though it makes me start to question the fact that he's one of the top agents at Starfire.
QuoteLooks like we've got a pair of heterosexual life partners (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/HeterosexualLifePartners) on our hands though.
No, I will not look at TvTropes at 1:45AM... it'll be 7 o'clock when I finish :B
Maybe in the morning. Either way, Azrael was actually Jakob's mentor (Memo to self: Azrael cast page) following his graduation from SAIA.
When he was murdered, Jakob went spare and spent the next three hundred years trying to either bring him back, or avenge his death. This era forms the bulk of Jakob's Dark Past(tm), which was gradually exaggerated into the fairy-tales that kept Joshua awake at night when he was a puppy (Trousers made from Being hides, eating hundreds of thousands of souls, etc).
So, uh, anyway. Azrael was something of a father-figure to Jakob, and they haven't seen each other for more than 500 years. So he's actually being rather subdued about it - probably on Joshua's account.
QuoteThe tour sounds lovely.
It will have to wait, though. There's two more pages of chapter 6 to go, and chapter 7 is mostly catching up with Niall, so we're looking at around 12 pages if my estimate is correct.
Phew. I was wondering if Azzie had lost a few screws from being dead for so long.
The third and fourth panels are truly priceless.
For those who are wondering, the first time Joshua listens in at the lab (page 32), Azrael is a little impatient, but otherwise everything is straight. Jakob, being telepathic, obviously picks up on Josh's change of attitude and realises that they've been overheard. When he's sure Josh isn't around he communicates with Azrael again and tells him this.
By the second time Josh overhears them (page 39) they've started play-acting in order to wind him up, and maybe get him to be a little more sceptical in future. I wasn't sure if the "Now you're overdoing it" comment would set off too many alarm bells, but whatever.
Also, I forgot to mention - next week's strip has the guest-art in it.
**EDIT**
Thanks also to Amiga Dragon for the VT100 photos. If anyone knows of someone who takes commissions of 3D objects, a 3DS or COB file of the thing would be dead useful. Actually I may know someone at work...
:mowninja
Ha ha ha ha.
Honestly, that strip took me completely by surprise. I'd actually started reading some more of your "Chronicles" work so I noticed various gears weren't quite meshing, but the suddenness the turnaround, completely unexpected. And there's nothing more funny then seeing a guy being completely taken for a fool, being duped hook, line and sinker and suddenly being let in just when his mind is most taut. Just so much laughing to be had at his expense.
Great work, loved it.
Quote from: Sofox on January 13, 2009, 05:58:51 PM
Honestly, that strip took me completely by surprise. I'd actually started reading some more of your "Chronicles" work so I noticed various gears weren't quite meshing, but the suddenness the turnaround, completely unexpected.
Thanks. Chapter 6 had good reviews when the original series ran - honestly, it's the main reason I've been so religious about the 'no spoilers' thing. In fact, I was in a bit of a panic after that... I was all "Aaah! How can I follow
that up?!", which is one of the reasons chapter 7 is slower - I did something completely different while I worked out where things went on from there. It starts slowly and again, peaks around chapter 12.
Oh, I forgot to mention - Azrael's profile is now up in the cast pages if anyone's interested.
I also need to do ones for Ashley and possibly Johan Cross at some stage.
**EDIT**
Ashley is up as well. As usual, corrections are welcome.
Such a growing cast you have
Quote from: Zedd on January 14, 2009, 07:34:09 PM
Such a growing cast you have
It'll grow further too before too long. In fact, one of the new guys is in there already, just not linked in.
We're going to be late. No sign of Ren at all today, so I'm not even sure how late we're going to be. I should be able to fake the upcoming strip if need be, but I'd hoped it wouldn't be necessary.
I'm thinking we should probably take a break for a week when chapter 6 ends to give us a bit of catch-up time and take some of the pressure off Ren.
Quote from: Tapewolf on January 16, 2009, 08:16:57 AM
We're going to be late. No sign of Ren at all today, so I'm not even sure how late we're going to be. I should be able to fake the upcoming strip if need be, but I'd hoped it wouldn't be necessary.
I'm thinking we should probably take a break for a week when chapter 6 ends to give us a bit of catch-up time and take some of the pressure off Ren.
His internet went belly-up yesterday. That might be part of the problem. Mine actually went down twice yesterday, but that's a different story.
Quote from: Jairus on January 16, 2009, 10:10:21 AM
His internet went belly-up yesterday. That might be part of the problem. Mine actually went down twice yesterday, but that's a different story.
Ah, thanks for the heads-up. In that case I'll probably use existing parts.
One question though, how did you find out?
Quote from: Tapewolf on January 16, 2009, 10:12:33 AM
Quote from: Jairus on January 16, 2009, 10:10:21 AM
His internet went belly-up yesterday. That might be part of the problem. Mine actually went down twice yesterday, but that's a different story.
Ah, thanks for the heads-up. In that case I'll probably use existing parts.
One question though, how did you find out?
I'm sorry. I meant it went belly-up for most of the day: he was back online yesterday evening for me. I was just saying that might be why you haven't heard from him. I believe he also had classes this morning.
If Ren needs a week or you want to give him one, Tape, it is cool with me. That's this peanut's opinion anyway.
Quote from: Pagan on January 16, 2009, 11:40:51 AM
If Ren needs a week or you want to give him one, Tape, it is cool with me. That's this peanut's opinion anyway.
Between chapter 6 and 7 is the obvious choice for a gap because it's the start of a new story arc. And it wouldn't be much of a break for Ren anyway, because he'd still need to draw for that week, it would just get shown later :rolleyes
But it would mean that he'd be under less pressure to get it done before Friday. At least, that's the idea.
Maybe you can find someone to do an additional weeks worth of guest strips to give the man a bit of a break?
Quote from: Mao Laoren on January 16, 2009, 01:52:05 PM
Maybe you can find someone to do an additional weeks worth of guest strips to give the man a bit of a break?
If I get some, certainly. After this page we've got one more to go, so there's 2-3 weeks to go if anyone's interested.
Of course, the selfish and impatient part of me says "no!" because I'd like to see us reach chapter 9 where Keaton debuts, but yes, I'm well aware that I'm continually asking him to do a lot :3
Quote from: Tapewolf on January 16, 2009, 02:17:55 PM
Quote from: Mao Laoren on January 16, 2009, 01:52:05 PM
Maybe you can find someone to do an additional weeks worth of guest strips to give the man a bit of a break?
If I get some, certainly. After this page we've got one more to go, so there's 2-3 weeks to go if anyone's interested.
Of course, the selfish and impatient part of me says "no!" because I'd like to see us reach chapter 9 where Keaton debuts, but yes, I'm well aware that I'm continually asking him to do a lot :3
If I could draw that quickly, I'd volunteer. Unfortunately, I can't. Unless you want a week or stick-figure-style art.
Quote from: Jairus on January 16, 2009, 03:02:03 PM
If I could draw that quickly, I'd volunteer. Unfortunately, I can't. Unless you want a week or stick-figure-style art.
I endorse this. Though that said, Jairus, your drawings back in your art thread were improving quickly. I think if you attempted some fan art, it would be a good start.
In the meantime I have hit a slight snag, in that my 200GB 'home' filesystem is now full, something I never thought would happen. I've managed to clear some stuff, so with luck we will have a comic in the next couple of hours, but it looks like I'll be shopping for a larger disk in the morning.
The bulk of it seems to be the original footage for my Deus Ex and Morrowind videos which I'm a little loath to delete. Anyway, that's my problem, not yours :P
Ugh, I hate running out of space, that's why I try to make sure I've got big hard disks and external hard disks.
Okay, a page 47 is up. As mentioned, this uses character art from existing sources. I'll replace it with the proper strip when I get the lineart.
In the meantime, enjoy the guest panel by King of Hearts, who rocks.
Good strip Tape... and I think I recognise that guest artwork from RBW! Thanks for showing it to me.
Quote from: Sofox on January 16, 2009, 07:16:32 PM
Good strip Tape... and I think I recognise that guest artwork from RBW! Thanks for showing it to me.
Yeah, I had it done way in advance - unlike the rest of the strip :<
Josh sure does have an imagination. Though if he's only heard fairy tales about Cross, I guess it isn't unfounded.
Fa'Lina would be proud of Jakob. Banishment was always her second-most preferred method of dealing with her enemies. :3
(http://i333.photobucket.com/albums/m376/jack_mcslay/Random/strip047-bears.jpg)
Gladly Josh's mental image wasn't this violent
Quote from: Amber Williams on January 16, 2009, 08:24:54 PM
Fa'Lina would be proud of Jakob. Banishment was always her second-most preferred method of dealing with her enemies. :3
Alright, I acknowledge the intended follow up to that statement and ask what is her third favourite?
Quote from: Sofox on January 16, 2009, 09:55:12 PM
Quote from: Amber Williams on January 16, 2009, 08:24:54 PM
Fa'Lina would be proud of Jakob. Banishment was always her second-most preferred method of dealing with her enemies. :3
Alright, I acknowledge the intended follow up to that statement and ask what is her third favourite?
Muffins!
Quote from: Jack McSlay on January 16, 2009, 09:27:19 PM
(http://i333.photobucket.com/albums/m376/jack_mcslay/Random/strip047-bears.jpg)
Gladly Josh's mental image wasn't this violent
Alright people. Threads closed. Its just not going to get anymore awesome than this. :U
Quote from: Pagan on January 16, 2009, 08:23:02 PM
Josh sure does have an imagination. Though if he's only heard fairy tales about Cross, I guess it isn't unfounded.
Those stories are actually the reason he's so scared of 'Cubi.
Quote from: Amber Williams on January 16, 2009, 08:24:54 PM
Fa'Lina would be proud of Jakob. Banishment was always her second-most preferred method of dealing with her enemies. :3
I'd ask about the others but I might not want to know.
Interestingly, in the first story, when Jakob takes Niall to SAIA, Fa'Lina is proud of Jakob for building up "your own private empire, full of Beings to devour". To which Jakob covers his face and politely points out that he's just been banishing his enemies and not killing them.
That was written about two years ago so I may have misjudged her attitude there. I suspect I read too much into the scene where she's laughing with Aary about decapitating Beings, and the fact that she runs a school which teaches soul-stealing.
As for that picture, I'm truly at a loss for words.
Fa'Lina is a tricky one to write for in most regards. It doesn't help that on most normal days, Fa'Lina will often reflect what an individual needs her to be. When dealing with a clan who's members thrive on violence, one definately needs to act a bit different than a clan who's members would thrive on joy. As such, it isnt suprising that some Cubi feel Fa'Lina is a tyrant while others would view her as a saint.
KoH rocks. :3 As far as using recycled art for the strip goes, I think you did a good job at putting this strip together.
Quote from: Jack McSlay on January 16, 2009, 09:27:19 PM
(http://i333.photobucket.com/albums/m376/jack_mcslay/Random/strip047-bears.jpg)
Gladly Josh's mental image wasn't this violent
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Oh my
GOD. XD Tape, remember that time at AC in which I wouldn't stop laughing and you all started to worry I would run out of oxygen? Well, that's what I want to do right now.
My childhooooood.
I want to tell everyone that I'm alive and that my OS has died yesterday. I'm currently restoring my computer. I'm sorry about the delay of the strip (and the delays several weeks before); I'll try to get better. :3
Your OS died. That sucks. Hope you fix it soon.
Panel 5 is full of win.
Quote from: Jack McSlay on January 16, 2009, 09:27:19 PM
http://i333.photobucket.com/albums/m376/jack_mcslay/Random/strip047-bears.jpg (http://i333.photobucket.com/albums/m376/jack_mcslay/Random/strip047-bears.jpg)
Gladly Josh's mental image wasn't this violent
But this is full of win +1
Quote from: Ren Gaulen on January 17, 2009, 12:21:56 PM
I want to tell everyone that I'm alive and that my OS has died yesterday. I'm currently restoring my computer. I'm sorry about the delay of the strip (and the delays several weeks before); I'll try to get better. :3
Take your time. We all understand issues with OS dying; not something easily repairable, usually. I find it takes me upwards of a couple weeks to find and reset all the issues that come out of a desktop rebuild...
Quote from: llearch n'n'daCorna on January 17, 2009, 01:35:03 PM
Take your time. We all understand issues with OS dying; not something easily repairable, usually.
Yes, it looks like he's had to do a full reformat.
*EDIT*
Often it's a good idea to split the disk into a system partition and a data partition. If you can keep the two separate (which Windows makes difficult to do) you should only need to reformat the system partition and not the whole thing.
#47 came out particularly nice, The Jauar in the background of panel five was a nice touch
Quote from: GabrielsThoughts on January 17, 2009, 05:03:37 PM
#47 came out particularly nice, The Jauar in the background of panel five was a nice touch
Oh yes. I was going to add the full-size version of KoH's artwork to the outtakes page. It should be there now if anyone's interested.
Ren was given some work to do by the university, so we're going to be late again. I'm not yet sure how late.
Hopefully the gap for next week will put us ahead. In the meantime, I'll be finalising our move to xepher.net, so things may get a little funky with the website.
**EDIT**
Expect a comic by 8PM GMT (our normal update time) . It'll probably be ready earlier, but barring disaster (or my doing something stupid like firing up Oblivion) we should definitely have something by then.
**EDIT EDIT*
Actually, a small spoiler:
http://i89.photobucket.com/albums/k216/tapewolf/projectfuture/pf48_intermediate.png
Quote from: Tapewolf on January 23, 2009, 12:31:12 PM
Actually, a small spoiler:
http://i89.photobucket.com/albums/k216/tapewolf/projectfuture/pf48_intermediate.png
I cannot resist adding it:
http://i255.photobucket.com/albums/hh121/RentheKnight/A%20Bunch%20of%20Random%20Pictures/MICROSOFTWINDOWS.png
It may or may not reflect my feelings on my recent problems with my computer.
Quote from: Ren Gaulen on January 24, 2009, 09:35:50 AM
It may or may not reflect my feelings on my recent problems with my computer.
Yes, I would have kept that visible if I'd known I was going to do an interim shot.
As for computers, the trick is dual boot with Linux or something, and not to use Windows for anything
important. That way, when it has its nervous breakdown, you can still do other stuff.
**EDIT**
This was on my playlist while colouring, it turns out the video is on Youtube, which is awesome:
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=UyDhsDUorGA
Quote from: Tapewolf on January 24, 2009, 10:40:33 AM
As for computers, the trick is dual boot with Linux or something, and not to use Windows for anything important. That way, when it has its nervous breakdown, you can still do other stuff.
I do that. Only, I skipped the whole dual boot thing and the nervous breakdown. ;-]
Okay, I'm not sure if the scarf-hawk was supposed to be there and Ren's gone off somewhere so I can't find out. I've uploaded it as is.
If anyone knows of a command-line SFTP client that isn't a piece of crap, please let me know.
Using the one on the Mac is like going back to the 1980s and not in a good way. I'll admit I've been spoiled by NCFTP which supports bookmarks and all kinds of nice things, but not supporting tab-completion or a history is just retarded.
**EDIT**
Amber said that I should pay more attention to planning the room layout. This is the plan I used for this strip:
(http://i89.photobucket.com/albums/k216/tapewolf/projectfuture/pf_room_plan.jpg)
http://i89.photobucket.com/albums/k216/tapewolf/projectfuture/pf_room_plan.jpg
The two BASF spools are the computer. The black HDD wallet is the door.
The orange Halfords battery is Azrael, the Sony battery is Jakob and the rechargable is Joshua.
scp + bash_completion ? It supports tab completion, at least.
Other than that... I usually use scp instead of sftp, myself.
Quote from: llearch n'n'daCorna on January 24, 2009, 03:53:11 PM
scp + bash_completion ? It supports tab completion, at least.
Other than that... I usually use scp instead of sftp, myself.
SCP has an interactive mode? I've only ever been able to get it to do a single file transfer at a time (or wildcard group), which makes it useless for moving files around, making new directories, finding out what's already there and so forth. Plus it requires the password for each transfer.
Perhaps I'm missing a trick here, but so far I've found it extremely inconvenient to use. It's like FTP with two broken legs.
**EDIT**
lftp seems to be the way to go. Not quite as good or friendly as ncftp, but it gets most of the way there and is a darn sight more convenient than using scp raw.
I love the your layout techniques Tape, you could almost make another comic just using various snapshots of that and adding speach bubbles.
And hurrah for the comic, nice to see the part you told me about finally coming to fruition, and Joshua continues his trend of oscillating between extreme panic to complete confusion.
Quote from: Sofox on January 24, 2009, 06:11:33 PM
I love the your layout techniques Tape, you could almost make another comic just using various snapshots of that and adding speach bubbles.
Heh. I suppose you probably could. The layout is a mix of mine and Ren's. I generally give him a layout based around a 2x3 grid, and he generally comes back with something a bit different. Usually his design is better so I go with that. On some rare occasions, where the text won't fit or where I'm not quite happy with the art(*) I have dropped a panel and redesigned the layout to compensate.
(*)We did a few panels consisting of half of Joshua's face. There were two or three where I just could not get them to colour properly so they were excluded.
QuoteAnd hurrah for the comic, nice to see the part you told me about finally coming to fruition, and Joshua continues his trend of oscillating between extreme panic to complete confusion.
Originally it was Jakob who had the last line, but I realised Azrael was a bit absent in this page and changed it to compensate.
Anyway - I noticed about half an hour ago that I'd forgotten to run the equalisation filter on Jakob's leathers, so if they looked a bit matt, that's why. It should be fixed now.
there's that bird again...and yet another allusion to (DUN DUN DUN) PROJECT FUTURE... wonders if toast popping up from a toaster will be met with :"that's no human toast"
Actually, I'm just wondering what "Total Conversion" is. Conversion of what? Matter to energy? People to some belief?
Quote from: Pagan on January 24, 2009, 11:09:13 PM
Actually, I'm just wondering what "Total Conversion" is. Conversion of what? Matter to energy? People to some belief?
I just call the thing "Total Annihilation Device". :B (You're right, it converts matter directly into energy.)
Ren, that name is already taken by Windows.
Quote from: Pagan on January 24, 2009, 11:09:13 PM
Actually, I'm just wondering what "Total Conversion" is. Conversion of what? Matter to energy? People to some belief?
http://www.nationmaster.com/encyclopedia/Total-conversion
I'll have to see if I can clarify it when they do the tour.
Quote from: Tapewolf on January 24, 2009, 04:04:56 PM
SCP has an interactive mode? I've only ever been able to get it to do a single file transfer at a time (or wildcard group), which makes it useless for moving files around, making new directories, finding out what's already there and so forth. Plus it requires the password for each transfer.
Perhaps I'm missing a trick here, but so far I've found it extremely inconvenient to use. It's like FTP with two broken legs.
*shrug* for that sort of stuff, I use ssh and then local commands on the server.
As for the password, I usually use ssh public/private keys, either without a password or with ssh_agent, which means I only have to add them once.
It _is_ a bit like ftp with two broken legs, but to my mind, using ftp to create a directory on the server is like using an electric eggbeater to stir my tea. Sure, it works, but it's entirely the wrong tool for the job. FTP is for transferring files; scp does the same thing. Any other tasks that ftp can do, usually are easier done directly on the server itself.
I'll admit that using linux locally on my desktop, and largely through terminals, rather than graphical apps, means I'm not your average desktop user, and my familiarity with commands is somewhat unusual...
Quote from: Tapewolf on January 24, 2009, 04:04:56 PM
lftp seems to be the way to go. Not quite as good or friendly as ncftp, but it gets most of the way there and is a darn sight more convenient than using scp raw.
Hrm. I guess that might work. I've heard of it, but since I'm pretty much covered, I don't think I've done more than poke it once or twice and go back to what I was doing before...
Good to hear you found something useful, though.
Quote from: llearch n'n'daCorna on January 25, 2009, 08:11:14 AM
*shrug* for that sort of stuff, I use ssh and then local commands on the server.
That would need two terminals. What I would probably have done if I hadn't found something more suitable would be to write a bunch of one-line shell scripts to do the transfers automatically, but I just like being able to see what I'm doing in case I'm doing it wrong.
FTP can do that in a single app. With a parallel ssh you'd have to keep switching between the two - which is a PITA on the mac anyway - and changing directories.
SSH wins hands-down for more complex manipulations, but for basic file manipulation, I still say that FTP is far more convenient. That may be because I know how to use it effectively and get what I want done with a minimum of keystrokes - a point I haven't yet reached with the other tools.
QuoteI'll admit that using linux locally on my desktop, and largely through terminals, rather than graphical apps, means I'm not your average desktop user, and my familiarity with commands is somewhat unusual...
Don't get me started. The preferred app for SCP on the Mac was Fugu, which epitomises the GUI app - ugly, bloated and horrifically slow. It takes somewhere on the order of 45 seconds to do a directory listing on the local machine - and there aren't even many files in that directory.
Perhaps it's because of the time I spent in DOS, but I have a vast preference for interactive command-line apps. Though a side effect of this is that I don't end up writing shell scripts as often and so don't get much practice.
Quote from: Tapewolf on January 25, 2009, 08:46:14 AM
Quote from: llearch n'n'daCorna on January 25, 2009, 08:11:14 AM
*shrug* for that sort of stuff, I use ssh and then local commands on the server.
That would need two terminals. What I would probably have done if I hadn't found something more suitable would be to write a bunch of one-line shell scripts to do the transfers automatically, but I just like being able to see what I'm doing in case I'm doing it wrong.
Yeah. I have a copy of the webroot on my laptop, and use a shell script with rsync in it to copy it up to the live server.
But then, I also have a copy of apache with php on my laptop, so I can develop code and test stuff, so yeah. If you want a copy of those scripts, I'd be happy to help you out, though.
Quote from: Tapewolf on January 25, 2009, 08:46:14 AM
Don't get me started. The preferred app for SCP on the Mac was Fugu, which epitomises the GUI app - ugly, bloated and horrifically slow. It takes somewhere on the order of 45 seconds to do a directory listing on the local machine - and there aren't even many files in that directory.
Oh, _ew_!
Your point is taken, however. I realise not everyone works the same way I do, and different strokes for different folks, etc etc etc...
Quote from: Sofox on January 24, 2009, 06:11:33 PM
I love the your layout techniques Tape, you could almost make another comic just using various snapshots of that and adding speach bubbles.
(http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c282/LionHeartAU/DMFA/pf_room_plan-comic.jpg)
http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c282/LionHeartAU/DMFA/pf_room_plan-comic.jpg
Quote from: LionHeart on January 25, 2009, 09:09:54 AM
http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c282/LionHeartAU/DMFA/pf_room_plan-comic.jpg
Heh.
See also: http://www.project-future.org/P48-layout.png
**EDIT**
As for SCP, there are situations where it works well, but it doesn't really suit the way I work. If I had a canonical version of the site on the mac and only ever updated from the mac, that would be great but I have about 3-4 machines I have used to edit the site, running on three different OSes.
I need to start a Project Future drinking game.
Everytime Joshua makes the "Oh noes! D:" face, take a shot. :3
Yeah. I do work from multiple machines, but since I usually have a couple shells open on the laptop anyway, having two terminals open isn't a huge limitation.
And I bounce the updates via the test area on my home server anyway. Go figure...
As I said - works for me, probably won't work for you. But it does give me an offline copy of the site, in case the server dies...
Quote from: Amber Williams on January 25, 2009, 10:28:17 AM
I need to start a Project Future drinking game.
Everytime Joshua makes the "Oh noes! D:" face, take a shot. :3
*looks back through the archives* He does make a very good "oh noes! D:" face, doesn't he?
Quote from: Amber Williams on January 25, 2009, 10:28:17 AM
I need to start a Project Future drinking game.
Everytime Joshua makes the "Oh noes! D:" face, take a shot. :3
Bad timing - we focus on different characters this next chapter. He will make that face a few more times after that, though...
Quote from: Jairus on January 25, 2009, 10:37:40 AM
*looks back through the archives* He does make a very good "oh noes! D:" face, doesn't he?
We should have Ren draw a set of emoticons. I forgot to mention, I think my favourite panel in this strip is panel 5, where Josh has his arms up to ward Jakob away. My least favourite is panel 3, where Joshua's eyes are messed up :<
Quote from: llearch n'n'daCorna on January 25, 2009, 10:30:38 AM
As I said - works for me, probably won't work for you. But it does give me an offline copy of the site, in case the server dies...
It's not that bad. It'd be a pain to sort out the latest one and one or two changes might go astray, but I could certainly recover if the server went down hard. Usually it's only one or two files that are different. But yeah, SSH is a boon for taking a snapshot via TAR - backing up is a nuisance with the FTP-only host.
I admit I am still trying to figure out what the little thing flying above Joshua's head in the second to last panel is.
Quote from: Tapewolf on January 25, 2009, 10:39:57 AM
Bad timing - we focus on different characters this next chapter. He will make that face a few more times after that, though...
ALright! Bring on the babes! :eager
Quote from: Amber Williams on January 25, 2009, 10:42:51 AM
I admit I am still trying to figure out what the little thing flying above Joshua's head in the second to last panel is.
That's a little joke of mine - when Jakob first mentioned his Falcons to Josh, the latter pictured actual birds represented by
a tiny super-deformed falcon (http://project-future.xepher.net/strip.php?strip=14) instead of fighter planes. Since then that SD falcon showed up now and then in the lineart, but I think Tape left him out until now.
Quote from: Ren Gaulen on January 25, 2009, 10:51:04 AM
That's a little joke of mine - when Jakob first mentioned his Falcons to Josh, the latter pictured actual birds represented by a tiny super-deformed falcon (http://project-future.xepher.net/strip.php?strip=14) instead of fighter planes. Since then that SD falcon showed up now and then in the lineart, but I think Tape left him out until now.
It also turns up in strip 27 when Joshua has just been resurrected. It was sufficiently long ago that I couldn't remember what our policy with the scarf-hawk was. Now we have more disk space on Xepher, if Ren doesn't mind I might start to put up some of the the original line-art for curious people.
Quote from: Amber Williams on January 25, 2009, 10:42:51 AM
ALright! Bring on the babes! :eager
There will be at least one... [wonders whether to make the mayor female too]
Quote from: Tapewolf on January 25, 2009, 11:03:59 AM
Now we have more disk space on Xepher, if Ren doesn't mind I might start to put up some of the the original line-art for curious people.
I, Ren Gaulen, hereby approve of it! *dramatic pose*
Quote from: Tapewolf on January 25, 2009, 11:03:59 AM
[wonders whether to make the mayor female too]
Somehow I'm not very fond of this idea. Don't really know why. :/
Quote from: Amber Williams on January 25, 2009, 10:28:17 AM
Everytime Joshua makes the "Oh noes! D:" face, take a shot. :3
Better than the
Jennifer Garner in Elektra drinking game. (http://agonybooth.com/recaps/Elektra_2005.aspx)
once a friend of mine and i played a kingdom hearts drinking game- every time they said 'darkens' or 'heart' we took a drink
however we knew doing this with alcohol would kill an irish rugby team in about fifteen minutes, so we used shot glasses of mountain dew
my friend was starting to vibrate and make a humming sound about hour 3
however i have a different solution- someone make a montage of all the 'oh noes' faces to date
Okay, here we have most of the original strips scaled down to half-size with antialiasing:
http://project-future.xepher.net/stuff/strips/pt1/
Note that some strips aren't available yet (e.g. page 47 and the end of page 46). When I get them I'll update these, assuming I remember to do so.
Quote from: Amber Williams on January 25, 2009, 10:28:17 AM
I need to start a Project Future drinking game.
Everytime Joshua makes the "Oh noes! D:" face, take a shot. :3
Quote from: Brunhidden on January 25, 2009, 07:17:09 PMhowever i have a different solution- someone make a montage of all the 'oh noes' faces to date
Time to take your shots...
Ode to Noes (http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e143/J-RasZ/OdetoNoes.jpg?t=1232932977)
(http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e143/J-RasZ/OdetoNoes.jpg?t=1232932977)
The work of half an hour or so, not counting interruptions. A little more time, and I could clean it up a little bit, but here you go.
Oh, and that reminds me... sung to the tune of Beethoven's "Ode To Joy..."
Oh noes, oh noes, oh dear gods!
Jakob's making a death ray!
Can we stop him? I don't think so,
I just guess we'll have to pray
Anyway...
Hope you like it.
It is brilliant! I was actually going to suggest a name "Icon of Noes", but "Ode to Noes" is good too. :3
"oh noes oh noes oh what will I do? I am so screwed now, I'll soon die!"
Quote from: Jairus on January 25, 2009, 08:26:44 PM
Oh noes, oh noes, oh dear gods!
Jakob's making a death ray!
Can we stop him? I don't think so,
I just guess we'll have to pray
Time to break out the vocoder....
As for the montage, there are a few which I don't strictly see as D: faces. When he's heroically pushing Kris out of the way, when he's being shot in the head, and the "you bastards!" face.
Then again I suppose you had to make the quota somehow :P
That collage.... is awesome.
Quote from: Tapewolf on January 26, 2009, 04:50:23 AM
As for the montage, there are a few which I don't strictly see as D: faces. When he's heroically pushing Kris out of the way, when he's being shot in the head, and the "you bastards!" face.
Then again I suppose you had to make the quota somehow :P
Yeah, I know. I basically went for any "oh noes," "I'm screwed," "angry," or "sufficiently strong emotion that isn't happiness" face. Otherwise... it'd be less impressive. Maybe I'll go back and make one that is just "oh noes" that's more appropriate for a signature...
Well, you could make a signature with a few "OHNOES" Josh faces. But that pic is too good to change it. :3
Quote from: Ren Gaulen on January 26, 2009, 12:37:39 PM
Well, you could make a signature with a few "OHNOES" Josh faces. But that pic is too good to change it. :3
Yeah, make a new one, that's what I meant. I'll work on it... later.
Quote from: Jairus on January 26, 2009, 10:39:52 AM
Quote from: Tapewolf on January 26, 2009, 04:50:23 AM
As for the montage, there are a few which I don't strictly see as D: faces. When he's heroically pushing Kris out of the way, when he's being shot in the head, and the "you bastards!" face.
Then again I suppose you had to make the quota somehow :P
Yeah, I know. I basically went for any "oh noes," "I'm screwed," "angry," or "sufficiently strong emotion that isn't happiness" face. Otherwise... it'd be less impressive. Maybe I'll go back and make one that is just "oh noes" that's more appropriate for a signature...
Well, I consulted with Ren to find the "real" "Oh Noes" faces... and here's the new sig-sized pic.
Oh Noes!!!! (http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e143/J-RasZ/Yappities/JoshuaOswald.jpg?t=1233010401)
(http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e143/J-RasZ/Yappities/JoshuaOswald.jpg?t=1233010401)
Enjoy.
Quote from: Jairus on January 25, 2009, 08:26:44 PM
Oh noes, oh noes, oh dear gods!
Jakob's making a death ray!
Can we stop him? I don't think so,
I just guess we'll have to pray
With apologies to Wendy Carlos, Stanley Kubrick etc...
http://www.jpmorris.force9.co.uk/music/test/chorale3.wav.mp3
It's hard to pick favorites out of those faces, but I think the bottom right and top right win out over the others.
Oh dear god... Tape, that song is amazing awesome.
Quote from: Pagan on January 26, 2009, 06:08:56 PM
Oh dear god... Tape, that song is amazing awesome.
It's a trick I discovered about 10 years ago. If you have a piece of music with a vocoder in it (in this case Wendy Carlos' rendition of the Ninth Symphony as used in
A Clockwork Orange), you can feed it back into your own vocoder and modulate it with your voice.
I discovered this by making the voice in the Pink Floyd song
Sheep sing a stock market report instead of Psalm 23.
awesomesauce, Tape.
And yes, you should be apologising for ruining the old Ultra-Violence. I doubt I'll ever be able to listen to it again without thinking of this...
Just listened to that song. It's brilliant. It's absolutely brilliant.
Quote from: Ren Gaulen on January 27, 2009, 05:40:36 AM
Just listened to that song. It's brilliant. It's absolutely brilliant.
Just in case it's unclear, the music is from the soundtrack to
A Clockwork Orange. I can't claim much credit (though changing the words wasn't easy). This piece, along with the opening score (Purcell) convinced me that synthesizers were capable of doing very interesting things, and at the end of the day is ultimately what started me doing music, I guess.
I haven't seen that movie yet (nobody carries it locally). I am familiar with Carlos' work though. 30+ years ago Dad brought home copies of Walter Carlos' Switched-On Bach and The Well Tempered Synthesizer which got me interested in classical music (and electronic music).
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Now playing on Winamp: Johann Sebastian Bach - Lute Suite No. 4: Prelude (Classical Minnesota Public Radio) (http://www.foxytunes.com/artist/johann+sebastian+bach/track/lute+suite+no.+4%3a+prelude)
via FoxyTunes (http://www.foxytunes.com/signatunes/)
Quote from: AmigaDragon on January 27, 2009, 06:06:05 PM
I haven't seen that movie yet (nobody carries it locally). I am familiar with Carlos' work though.
IMHO the film is a bit over-rated. The score is definitely worth getting for anyone with even a passing interest in electronic music, though.
Filler page is up. I might have to do more of these in future. Episode 7 should start next week and it'll be new thread time.
MOAR BABES! :U
Ugh. You guys are so lucky I am in a bad spot and cannot draw, cause I would be hitting you with a fan-comic so hard it will hurt your anscestors. :B
Quote from: Amber Williams on January 30, 2009, 10:37:35 AM
MOAR BABES! :U
This I can provide. >:3
MOAR BABES! (http://i255.photobucket.com/albums/hh121/RentheKnight/LindaLawrence1copy-2.png) >:D I don't want to spoil anything, but she might be showing up in the PF soon (the outfit will probabl be different, though). :3
Quote from: Amber Williams on January 30, 2009, 10:37:35 AM
MOAR BABES! :U
Ugh. You guys are so lucky I am in a bad spot and cannot draw, cause I would be hitting you with a fan-comic so hard it will hurt your anscestors. :B
Agreed! I just finished reading PF(lots of fun) and if there is anything missing in it is female presence! Also on Amber's idea of hitting you with fanart- expect some beating >:3 WITH BABES!
Excellent. I am pleased....for now.
Though I do have a question. One that probably could be found if I just spent 2 seconds looking for it but that doesn't stop me! How far into the future is this story taking place? I know its timed so that it doesn't clash with DMFA's current canon but I was curious as to how far into the future things are taking place. :3
Quote from: Amber Williams on January 30, 2009, 11:07:03 AM
Excellent. I am pleased....for now.
Good... I was afraid that today would be a lousy day to take the mick out of one of your posts on the forum :sweatdrop
QuoteThough I do have a question. One that probably could be found if I just spent 2 seconds looking for it but that doesn't stop me! How far into the future is this story taking place? I know its timed so that it doesn't clash with DMFA's current canon but I was curious as to how far into the future things are taking place. :3
I'll add that to the ABOUT thing when I get the chance. It's supposedly 150 years hence.
This may in fact be a problem if Furrae in DMFA has currently entered a phase of rapid technological advancement, because realistically, most of the everyday things that we see (video phone booths, video wall displays etc) are like 10-20 years away from current Earth tech, probably less. Still, IIRC Furrae as it stands is a mix of high tech and rural backwaters, so I guess it works.
There are a few things I might like to clarify at some point but I'm going to wait until after the current crisis is over before broaching those.
Well truth be told, there are about 4 potential continuity errors that I have already seen but they are ones that are unavoidable without having major inside info.
I blame the fact that DMFA itself is at a particular point in time where major shifts in the way the world work are underway so it kind of makes it hard to really get a handle on accurately nailing down events in the future. :x
Quote from: Amber Williams on January 30, 2009, 11:18:42 AM
Well truth be told, there are about 4 potential continuity errors that I have already seen but they are ones that are unavoidable without having major inside info.
I blame the fact that DMFA itself is at a particular point in time where major shifts in the way the world work are underway so it kind of makes it hard to really get a handle on accurately nailing down events in the future. :x
Which makes sense, because it's unlikely you'd be telling this story unless it was one of those critical points. I mean, most people don't tell stories about something the remains the same, because that would be boring.
Maybe we should outright consider this an Alternate Universe to DMFA? I mean, it already is, but... okay, I'm still waking up here, so I'll just shut my mouth for a while.
Hmm, though PF is set in the DMFA world, It has a completely different feel to it- more cyberpunky or something, while Amber's original is wacky and more fantasy oriented! Also events in DMFA have shown us that there are multiple realms linked into the melting pot that is Furrae, so PF could simply be taking place in another "version" of the DMFA realm! That of course are the thoughts of a reader.
Quote from: Jairus on January 30, 2009, 11:22:07 AM
Quote from: Amber Williams on January 30, 2009, 11:18:42 AM
Well truth be told, there are about 4 potential continuity errors that I have already seen but they are ones that are unavoidable without having major inside info.
I blame the fact that DMFA itself is at a particular point in time where major shifts in the way the world work are underway so it kind of makes it hard to really get a handle on accurately nailing down events in the future. :x
Maybe we should outright consider this an Alternate Universe to DMFA?
My thoughts exactly!
Well, the techno to fantasy feel could be explained by events in DMFA's future and PF's past. Amber did say that this is an era of change: maybe the advancement of technology and magitechnology made it more accessible to Beings and Creatures alike, to the point that magic became a sort of close second to technology for most Furraeans. Just a thought.
Quote from: Amber Williams on January 30, 2009, 11:18:42 AM
Well truth be told, there are about 4 potential continuity errors that I have already seen but they are ones that are unavoidable without having major inside info.
That's not necessarily un-fixable. It depends on the nature of the errors of course, but it's sometimes possible to say what's wrong without saying why. Apparently the NSA once phoned IBM up once, saying "You need to change your encryption algorithm so it does
this." Many years later someone discovered a flaw in the encryption system - IBM's version was the only one which was immune.
But I digress.
QuoteI blame the fact that DMFA itself is at a particular point in time where major shifts in the way the world work are underway so it kind of makes it hard to really get a handle on accurately nailing down events in the future. :x
Yeah, I was afraid of that. You may recall at AC07 I was asking if there were still 'Cubi 150 years hence, just in case they were wiped out in retaliation for whatever Dee's planning. Anyway, I guess these were the risks of doing a future fanfic :P
Quote from: Jairus on January 30, 2009, 11:22:07 AM
Maybe we should outright consider this an Alternate Universe to DMFA? I mean, it already is, but... okay, I'm still waking up here, so I'll just shut my mouth for a while.
Actually (*) when I was scripting this, I spent a lot of time making subtle changes to divorce it somewhat from Furrae. That all went to pot with the SAIA references, of course. I think the official description is "A story tentatively set in the world of DMFA". But yes, I'm happy to consider it an alternate history.
Quote from: Kipiru on January 30, 2009, 11:28:59 AM
Hmm, though PF is set in the DMFA world, It has a completely different feel to it- more cyberpunky or something, while Amber's original is wacky and more fantasy oriented!
That would be my hard SF side showing through. It's not all like that, though - around chapter 22 ( :cry ) there is a long sequence where two characters are on the run through a variety of different towns and suchlike. That's arguably closer to DMFA proper.
(*)I tried to get permission from Amber before starting this off, but didn't manage to do so before our March kickoff. I don't think anyone did an entire comic sort-of set in DMFA before, and I wanted a way out in case she said 'No! Go away!'
Quote from: Jairus on January 30, 2009, 11:22:07 AM
Which makes sense, because it's unlikely you'd be telling this story unless it was one of those critical points. I mean, most people don't tell stories about something the remains the same, because that would be boring.
"Waiting For Godot" ?
Either that or human interest stories. Although even those tend to have societal changes...
Quote from: llearch n'n'daCorna on January 30, 2009, 11:55:54 AM
Quote from: Jairus on January 30, 2009, 11:22:07 AM
Which makes sense, because it's unlikely you'd be telling this story unless it was one of those critical points. I mean, most people don't tell stories about something the remains the same, because that would be boring.
"Waiting For Godot" ?
Either that or human interest stories. Although even those tend to have societal changes...
Except in that case, you could argue that the characters are changed by their non-experiences. I wouldn't know, since I've never seen Waiting For Godot. I mean, I suppose you could tell a story about someone or something that doesn't change over the course of the story, but to be honest I don't think many people could pull it off.
Oh, before I forget - where Ren says "Unfortunately, yes" - he was originally going to say "It's from Amber."
But I figured that was probably pushing it too far and chickened out. In view of the 'Amber for Canada' thread I very nearly didn't run this strip at all...
wait...that's not a girl that's Dorcan in drag. although I can imagine his surprise when he wakes up.
Quote from: Tapewolf on January 30, 2009, 12:11:07 PM
Oh, before I forget - where Ren says "Unfortunately, yes" - he was originally going to say "It's from Amber."
*giggle*
Quote from: Tapewolf on January 30, 2009, 12:11:07 PM
But I figured that was probably pushing it too far and chickened out. In view of the 'Amber for Canada' thread I very nearly didn't run this strip at all...
Coward!
... but you have a point. I just wonder what Amber thinks about it...
You imply that I am capable of actual thought at this time.
There is no thought here! Only FEAR! Fear and Zule!
Did I say "coherent" anywhere? Did I? :-P
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Crap... I was expecting it to merge Gabriel's post in at the end. Oh well..
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Quote from: Amber Williams on January 30, 2009, 01:10:44 PM
You imply that I am capable of actual thought at this time.
So in other words, I want to lay low about a week from now, eh? :paranoid
EDIT:
Especially if Ren's line should magically change itself back to what it should have been...
Quote from: Amber Williams on January 30, 2009, 01:10:44 PM
You imply that I am capable of actual thought at this time.
There is no thought here! Only FEAR! Fear and Zule!
But who is the keymaster?
Quote from: Mao Laoren on January 30, 2009, 01:47:10 PM
Quote from: Amber Williams on January 30, 2009, 01:10:44 PM
You imply that I am capable of actual thought at this time.
There is no thought here! Only FEAR! Fear and Zule!
But who is the keymaster?
Mason.
Quote from: Tapewolf on January 30, 2009, 01:45:49 PM
Especially if Ren's line should magically change itself back to what it should have been...
Doooooo eeeeeeeeet.
*slowly turns and looks at Jairus*
Are you a god?
...
It is a pretty awesome shot... now.. bring on MOAR BABES! XD
Does it work if two people ask for more babes?
Quote from: Mao Laoren on January 30, 2009, 02:20:24 PM
Are you a god?
Next time anyone asks you if you're a Fae,
you say yes!QuoteDoes it work if two people ask for more babes?
I was thinking of having Keaton there as well, maybe some of Ren's female characters too, but I ran out of time.
Quote from: Jairus on January 30, 2009, 02:16:25 PM
Doooooo eeeeeeeeet.
Don't say I never give you nuffing.
Quote from: Tapewolf on January 30, 2009, 02:39:19 PM
Quote from: Mao Laoren on January 30, 2009, 02:20:24 PM
Are you a god?
Next time anyone asks you if you're a Fae, you say yes!
And if they ask you why you're not flying around and being cuckoo and zany and all that Fae jazz, just tell them that you don't feel like being cuckoo and zany right now, just like you don't feel like cursing them right now...
Quote from: Tapewolf on January 30, 2009, 02:39:19 PM
QuoteDoes it work if two people ask for more babes?
I was thinking of having Keaton there as well, maybe some of Ren's female characters too, but I ran out of time.
No, that's for the Special Edition Remastered version, where Joshua shoots first.
Quote from: Tapewolf on January 30, 2009, 02:39:19 PM
Quote from: Jairus on January 30, 2009, 02:16:25 PM
Doooooo eeeeeeeeet.
Don't say I never give you nuffing.
Yay!
Abit late but I swear I saw Amber as Gendo Ikari when she's pleased? :U
Quote from: Zedd on January 30, 2009, 03:25:36 PM
Abit late but I swear I saw Amber as Gendo Ikari when she's pleased? :U
Amber Ikari? *shudders at thought* Gendo wouldn't stand a chance.
Quote from: Jairus on January 30, 2009, 03:27:47 PM
Quote from: Zedd on January 30, 2009, 03:25:36 PM
Abit late but I swear I saw Amber as Gendo Ikari when she's pleased? :U
Amber Ikari? *shudders at thought* Gendo wouldn't stand a chance.
It must be drawn. Amber, do you mind me drawing it? :3
Quote from: Amber Williams on January 30, 2009, 01:10:44 PM
There is no thought here! Only FEAR! Fear and Zule!
Heh, you know, I remember you making that reference in AC. A few weeks later, I happen to turn on Ghostbusters on TV to the exact scene where those lines are said, turning it off soon afterwards. I hadn't even remembered them the first time around.
Tape: I had a similar experience a while back with adding a frontispiece to an existing webcomic. My advice is don't shift the page numbers around. Instead, give the frontispiece page number 0. That way all the page numbers stay the same with only a trivial edit to the PHP code.
Quote from: Sofox on January 30, 2009, 06:22:51 PM
Tape: I had a similar experience a while back with adding a frontispiece to an existing webcomic. My advice is don't shift the page numbers around. Instead, give the frontispiece page number 0. That way all the page numbers stay the same with only a trivial edit to the PHP code.
I suspect IBAE requires the first page to be 1, but I'd have to check. I'd prefer to keep the engine itself stock if possible.
Quote from: Tapewolf on January 30, 2009, 06:29:04 PM
I suspect IBAE requires the first page to be 1, but I'd have to check. I'd prefer to keep the engine itself stock if possible.
I suspect it doesn't, but I'd also have to check. ;-]
If you'd started at 0, it'd be more interesting, but 0 is perfectly acceptable as a starting point, I think.
Quote from: llearch n'n'daCorna on January 31, 2009, 07:23:26 AM
I suspect it doesn't, but I'd also have to check. ;-]
If you'd started at 0, it'd be more interesting, but 0 is perfectly acceptable as a starting point, I think.
Looks to me like it takes the first item in the listfile as the first page regardless, so it should work if it's called 0.
Quote from: llearch n'n'daCorna on January 30, 2009, 11:55:54 AM
Quote from: Jairus on January 30, 2009, 11:22:07 AM
Which makes sense, because it's unlikely you'd be telling this story unless it was one of those critical points. I mean, most people don't tell stories about something the remains the same, because that would be boring.
"Waiting For Godot" ?
(http://i116.photobucket.com/albums/o15/Keaton_Mask/godot-zoomb.gif)
Also, Amber, the Cubi had better not be extinct after DMFA. :<
Oh I can safely say that of all the races that will go extinct after DMFA, that Cubi are not one of them. :3
Gasp! races go extinct after DMFA!
Quote from: Tyranastrasz on January 31, 2009, 01:34:03 PM
Gasp! races go extinct after DMFA!
I'm gonna have to compile a list of assumptions and run them past Amber now, I think :U
**EDIT**
In all fairness, the only races that really figure in PF are Beings, 'Cubi, Demons and Angels.
I think Amber already established the extinction of vampires... next on the list would be species that can't mix blood with other races...although it would be very slow considering the nearly infinite lifespan of creatures.
Angels might become extinct, from their Hybrid Genetics page.
I just hope that the Dragons go down. Best of luck to Destania and Biggs in their genocidal plot.
Quote from: Pagan on January 31, 2009, 02:29:11 PM
Angels might become extinct, from their Hybrid Genetics page.
Yes, but since Angels live for a nominal 1500 years, that particular extinction is liable to take tens or hundreds of millennia.
Unless they're "helped" I don't see them being extinct in a century and a half.
1: Double post is bad, mkay?
2: Dragons are too cool to go extinct =/
Huh, Ghostbuster was on again tonight, and I switched it on literally 3 minutes away from that scene.
Quote from: Pagan on January 31, 2009, 02:29:11 PM
Angels might become extinct, from their Hybrid Genetics page.
I just hope that the Dragons go down. Best of luck to Destania and Biggs in their genocidal plot.
:orly Target Pagan acquired, arming weapons... :smack
Quote from: Tyranastrasz on January 31, 2009, 02:33:02 PM
Dragons are too cool to go extinct =/
There ya go.
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Quote from: AmigaDragon on February 01, 2009, 03:23:03 AM
Quote from: Pagan on January 31, 2009, 02:29:11 PM
Angels might become extinct, from their Hybrid Genetics page.
I just hope that the Dragons go down. Best of luck to Destania and Biggs in their genocidal plot.
:orly Target Pagan acquired, arming weapons... :smack
Quote from: Tyranastrasz on January 31, 2009, 02:33:02 PM
Dragons are too cool to go extinct =/
There ya go.
Dragons Unite!
Dargons Untie!
Oh HAY! Dun mind me! Just ruining your webcomic! :U (http://www.missmab.com/WRY/RegretNotheeeng.jpg)
Quote from: Amber Williams on February 01, 2009, 05:10:27 PM
Oh HAY! Dun mind me! Just ruining your webcomic! :U (http://www.missmab.com/WRY/RegretNotheeeng.jpg)
ALL HAIL AMBER! ALL HAIL AMBER! :O
That is not quite the lament and horrorified reaction I was expecting. :B
Quote from: Amber Williams on February 01, 2009, 05:10:27 PM
Oh HAY! Dun mind me! Just ruining your webcomic! :U (http://www.missmab.com/WRY/RegretNotheeeng.jpg)
:milklaugh
Oh gods! Too funny, Amber!
:judges
That last one should be a "10," too. So, I take it you're feeling better now?
Quote from: Amber Williams on February 01, 2009, 05:17:04 PM
That is not quite the lament and horrorified reaction I was expecting. :B
Sorry, but it's too funny to be horrifying.
Quote from: Amber Williams on February 01, 2009, 05:17:04 PM
That is not quite the lament and horrorified reaction I was expecting. :B
Did you really expect lament and horrorified reaction from
me? >:3
I expect lamentations from EVERYONE. >:3
Sadly I did have a followup comic for this but the stress and hospital totally whoomped me and I fell short of energy. Hence also the non-finished version of this one.
Quote from: Amber Williams on February 01, 2009, 05:22:13 PM
I expect lamentations from EVERYONE. >:3
Sadly I did have a followup comic for this but the stress and hospital totally whoomped me and I fell short of energy. Hence also the non-finished version of this one.
It's OK. We understand how you must feel. And even unfinished this comic is awesome. But, I thought "De-Dressu" was Abel's secret technique! :/
Who do you think taught the class? :B
Quote from: Amber Williams on February 01, 2009, 05:25:31 PM
Who do you think taught the class? :B
IT ALL MAKES SENSE NOW!! 'A'
Coolies
Quote from: Amber Williams on February 01, 2009, 05:22:13 PM
I expect lamentations from EVERYONE. >:3
Sadly I did have a followup comic for this but the stress and hospital totally whoomped me and I fell short of energy. Hence also the non-finished version of this one.
Don't worry about it, Amber. Get some rest, come back recharged.
Quote from: Ren Gaulen on February 01, 2009, 05:27:00 PM
Quote from: Amber Williams on February 01, 2009, 05:25:31 PM
Who do you think taught the class? :B
IT ALL MAKES SENSE NOW!! 'A'
Quote from: Ren Gaulen on February 01, 2009, 05:27:00 PM
Quote from: Amber Williams on February 01, 2009, 05:25:31 PM
Who do you think taught the class? :B
IT ALL MAKES SENSE NOW!! 'A'
Teach me, Mistress Amber!
Quote from: Sofox on February 01, 2009, 01:22:42 PM
If only for a cure Dislexia they find would.
Dyslexia lures.
Quote from: Amber Williams on February 01, 2009, 05:10:27 PM
Oh HAY! Dun mind me! Just ruining your webcomic! :U (http://www.missmab.com/WRY/RegretNotheeeng.jpg)
Bleeding bloody hell! May we please, please have a PNG version of this? (Actually high-res would be sweet too).
Now teach me the secret of drawing bushes and stuff....
[Goes off to reverse-engineer mid 2004 Amber drawings]
Tsk tsk. Foolish Tapewolf. Havent you learned anything in regards to my incapability of making things actually salvagable. You assume that I didn't just save over the original jpg after I resized and compressed. :U
When will you learn?! When. will. you. learn. D:
edit note: I suppose in theory I could rescan the page. But then it would be just a hi-rez sketch-page without any words. :U
Quote from: Amber Williams on February 01, 2009, 05:41:07 PM
Tsk tsk. Foolish Tapewolf. Havent you learned anything in regards to my incapability of making things actually salvagable. You assume that I didn't just save over the original jpg after I resized and compressed. :U
When will you learn?! When. will. you. learn. D:
Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooo! D:
Oh well. It's still hilarious.
Quote from: Amber Williams on February 01, 2009, 05:41:07 PM
Tsk tsk. Foolish Tapewolf. Havent you learned anything in regards to my incapability of making things actually salvagable.
Darn. Apparently not :U
I just noticed the reel in the last frame. Since people seem to have difficulty drawing those I just thought it worth mentioning that it looks great...
I actually did a double-check to make sure what a reel looked like. Its suprising how simply seeing one minutes before will affect the outcome. References...they be groovy.
As I mentioned in the modify, in theory I could just rescan the image and post that as a hi-rez. But it would be wordless, frameless, and sort of so-so quality even at hi-rez since it would be just a scan.
Quote from: Amber Williams on February 01, 2009, 05:50:27 PM
I actually did a double-check to make sure what a reel looked like. Its suprising how simply seeing one minutes before will affect the outcome. References...they be groovy.
With animals I seem to find deformed ones and use those as a reference. The jaguars I gave James to draw the cover for my 2004 album were so un-jaguar like that it f___ed the picture up for good. What is it, 2009 and it still isn't finished? :B
QuoteAs I mentioned in the modify, in theory I could just rescan the image and post that as a hi-rez. But it would be wordless, frameless, and sort of so-so quality even at hi-rez since it would be just a scan.
That would actually be very usable - I can do the framing and captioning myself, though it would look more like a normal PF strip.
Its all up to you. I admit I did this for giggles. I realize I likely am way off in terms of personality or continuity so please dont think I seriously think that is how the characters will act.
AKA: I fail at troll 101. :<
Quote from: Amber Williams on February 01, 2009, 06:15:39 PM
Its all up to you. I admit I did this for giggles. I realize I likely am way off in terms of personality or continuity so please dont think I seriously think that is how the characters will act.
AKA: I fail at troll 101. :<
But the only thing that matters is that it is funny! c: Oh, and I forgot to mention - I am in glee from the fact that Daryil is wearing that outfit from Joshua's dream. :>
Indeed! Funny is the important bit. That and I get to see how far I can push the rating until I get bapped on the nose. :>
Quote from: Amber Williams on February 01, 2009, 07:40:21 PM
Indeed! Funny is the important bit. That and I get to see how far I can push the rating until I get bapped on the nose. :>
If your link is mysteriously replaced with one that has censor boxes on it, you've gone too far >:3
Anyway, intentional or not I think you did a good job of keeping them in-character. The mode of speech strikes me as a little different, but the attitudes are pretty close.
Feel more than free to tweak some of the dialogue to better match their mannerisms. I admit I was swinging blind on a couple. Particularly Jakob in the last panel I had the worst time coming up with a punchline because I wasn't sure exactly how his reaction to the situation would be. But I really liked the sulky face so I kept it. I was really wanting to avoid making Jakob the straight-man of the two, but I admit I am not 100% on the casualness of Jakob and Daryl's relationship so I tried to keep it neutral.
That said, Daryl's face in panel two with the mock innocence made me laugh.
Then again truth be told half the comic was me just snickering at the various expressions then adding words. :B
Quote from: Tapewolf on February 01, 2009, 07:45:28 PM
If your link is mysteriously replaced with one that has censor boxes on it, you've gone too far >:3
Nya ha ha!
Actually I dont have anything really vulger in mind. It's more dialogue and the thing I would be more worried is that it strikes so far out of character that it ruins the comedy aspect of it all.
Quote from: Tapewolf on February 01, 2009, 07:45:28 PM
Anyway, intentional or not I think you did a good job of keeping them in-character.
Well, not counting Joshua talking back to Daryil. :P (Jakob seriously needs to reinforce Josh's spine. :B)
Duh... I forgot the credits. I'll fix that tomorrow. Must sleep now.
http://project-future.org/strips/guest/Amber1.png
Cool, an Amber fanstrip! Lucky Project Future! Great stuff!
Quote from: Kipiru on February 02, 2009, 05:46:17 AM
Cool, an Amber fanstrip! Lucky Project Future! Great stuff!
If we get more stuff like this, I'll add a fan-art section to the site.
I could have sworn I made a post saying how awesome Amber's guest comic was.
I really could have sworn...
Quote from: Tapewolf on February 02, 2009, 05:47:26 AM
If we get more stuff like this, I'll add a fan-art section to the site.
Oh now you are just -asking- for it. :U
*leaps into the shadows*
Hmm.. does that same trick work on DMFA I wonder...*leaps into some different shadows*
Quote from: Mao Laoren on February 02, 2009, 09:24:53 AM
Hmm.. does that same trick work on DMFA I wonder...*leaps into some different shadows*
You want Amber to draw fan-art of her own comic? That's cheating :P
Or maybe if I draw her a bunch of fanart she'll be forced to get her fan art section back up. Maybe I can recruit Ren to help me with this...
>.>
<.<
*jumps back into his different set of shadows*
Pfft. The only thing that will get the fanart section back up is someone who can do all the codework and layout and make all the preview images and organize the thing for me.
Adding more art only makes the backlog more daunting and me less likely to want to do it since it would require more work. :P
Hmmm. Really you say? Shoot me an pm/email sometime with your requirements and such. Maybe I can help a bit with that. Technical details are nice and make my life easier too. If something good comes of it maybe both you and Tape can have a nice little fanart section...
Yeah. But unfortunately I dont even feel like doing the work of refinding and uploading all the images to be sorted so its one of those things that is likely never going to happen until the entire site is upgraded itself.
The fact of the matter is, I hate coding. And I just manage by on changing a few minor things to update with. Having to actually do any work outside of the necessary comic update itself is a hassle and so I will often avoid it as much as possible.
But either way, I dont feel like cluttering up Tape and Ren's thread with discussion about my dead art gallery. I would rather the conversation stay around Project Future and their soon to be art gallery.
Quote from: Amber Williams on February 02, 2009, 09:44:48 AM
But either way, I dont feel like cluttering up Tape and Ren's thread with discussion about my dead art gallery. I would rather the conversation stay around Project Future and their soon to be art gallery.
Unless I forget what I'm doing, we'll have a new thread for chapter 7 when that starts Friday, so it's not a disaster if this one drifts too far off-topic.
Just ruin all my fun why dontcha. :P
*sketch sketch sketch*
Actually Tape, what did you have in mind for your own fan-art gallery? I remember I had offered to help with your site once before, but then my laptop died and took most of my tools, data and all of the samples away. If I make the code flexible enough it could actually suit the both of you..
As I mentioned prior, for my site its an issue that I am shortly about to be dealing with a complete site overhaul. There is little point to having someone work on coding and getting a fanart gallery if in less than a couple months the entire site will be reworked and re-coded.
True. I wouldn't have any idea of what llearch and D-moon have in mind so that could be a problem, however I could still possibly crank something out for Tape. Might not be the most sophisticated of things as I work on legacy code these days, but who knows.
Quote from: Mao Laoren on February 02, 2009, 09:24:53 AM
Hmm.. does that same trick work on DMFA I wonder...*leaps into some different shadows*
Damnit, Laoren! Get out of my shadow! D:<
Quote from: Mao Laoren on February 02, 2009, 09:52:17 AM
Actually Tape, what did you have in mind for your own fan-art gallery? I remember I had offered to help with your site once before, but then my laptop died and took most of my tools, data and all of the samples away. If I make the code flexible enough it could actually suit the both of you...
At some point - I'm not sure when - PF is going to have a redesign as well. With llearch and DM's workload, that seems to have receded into the distance somewhat, so I'm open to ideas again (with the proviso that it will likely be scrapped later this year or so).
What I'll do unless I get a better idea is something like this:
http://www.project-future.org/strips/outtakes.php
...i.e. crude and ugly but simple. What might be better is to have a thumbnail display and some semblance of prettiness, but web layout is something I never really got to grips with to be honest.
Quote from: Ren Gaulen on February 02, 2009, 10:01:38 AM
Quote from: Mao Laoren on February 02, 2009, 09:24:53 AM
Hmm.. does that same trick work on DMFA I wonder...*leaps into some different shadows*
Damnit, Laoren! Get out of my shadow! D:<
I don't see your name on it for one... though I don't see much of anything.
Maybe there'd be more room in these shadows if you weren't always stuffing your face you fat demonic feline.
*back to serious face*
Your site is all php based right?
Edit: Nvm, answered my own question by going to your php info page.
Quote from: Mao Laoren on February 02, 2009, 10:16:25 AM
Maybe there'd be more room in these shadows if you weren't always stuffing your face you fat demonic feline.
I can honestly say I've never seen that insult thrown at someone before.
Quote from: Mao Laoren on February 02, 2009, 10:16:25 AM
Your site is all php based right?
Yes. I can't offhand tell you the version, but it's more likely to be up-to-date than it was on the original host.
Aside from the IBAE core which manages the comic strips, it's not doing a great deal more than static HTML - mostly it's just including the menu bars (this was done with SSI before).
**EDIT**
PHP 5.2.8
Quote from: Amber Williams on February 01, 2009, 07:50:13 PM
Feel more than free to tweak some of the dialogue to better match their mannerisms. I admit I was swinging blind on a couple. Particularly Jakob in the last panel I had the worst time coming up with a punchline because I wasn't sure exactly how his reaction to the situation would be. But I really liked the sulky face so I kept it. I was really wanting to avoid making Jakob the straight-man of the two, but I admit I am not 100% on the casualness of Jakob and Daryl's relationship so I tried to keep it neutral.
Hush you; now I keep imagining Jakob/Joshua/Daryil. WACKY THREESOME.
Then again, that's a very good thing.
PERMISSION TO DRAW, TAPEWOLF? c:
Quote from: Keaton the Black Jackal on February 02, 2009, 10:35:21 AM
Hush you; now I keep imagining Jakob/Joshua/Daryil. WACKY THREESOME.
Then again, that's a very good thing.
PERMISSION TO DRAW, TAPEWOLF? c:
Draw... that? I, uh... I might have to get back to you on that one :B
Quote from: Tapewolf on February 02, 2009, 10:39:20 AM
Quote from: Keaton the Black Jackal on February 02, 2009, 10:35:21 AM
Hush you; now I keep imagining Jakob/Joshua/Daryil. WACKY THREESOME.
Then again, that's a very good thing.
PERMISSION TO DRAW, TAPEWOLF? c:
Draw... that? I, uh... I might have to get back to you on that one :B
I can help with getting back at Keaton. >:3
Back to Ren, not back at. The first is communication, the second is payback.
Quote from: Jairus on February 02, 2009, 10:51:36 AM
Back to Ren, not back at. The first is communication, the second is payback.
He
meant payback, didn't he?
Dear Amber,
Some of my fans are threatening to draw porn of my characters. What should I do?
Yours,
Tape
Quote from: Tapewolf on February 02, 2009, 10:52:47 AM
Quote from: Jairus on February 02, 2009, 10:51:36 AM
Back to Ren, not back at. The first is communication, the second is payback.
He meant payback, didn't he?
Oh, I did... >:3
I don't think you want to mention porn of your characters to Amber, Tape...
Quote from: Mao Laoren on February 02, 2009, 11:04:35 AM
I don't think you want to mention porn of your characters to Amber, Tape...
I do! :B
Quote from: Tapewolf on February 02, 2009, 11:20:00 AM
Quote from: Keaton the Black Jackal on February 02, 2009, 11:15:09 AM
I do! :B
Does your mother know about this? >:3
The real question is "Should she know about this?" :P And the answer is "No". >:3
Quote from: Mao Laoren on February 02, 2009, 11:04:35 AM
I don't think you want to mention porn of your characters to Amber, Tape...
She gets enough people asking for the stuff she drew years ago - I think fuelling the fire might not be a good plan.
PS. If anyone
does draw porn, I can guarantee it will
not be added to the hypothetical fan-art section. Not only because I want to keep things fairly clean on
prudish moral grounds, but it would probably violate the TOS on Xephernet anyway...
Quote from: Keaton the Black Jackal on February 02, 2009, 11:27:48 AM
Well you suck >:[
Yes. Now, does anyone have suggestions for revamping the look of the archives/additional art pages?
Should stuff that I've commissioned (which has often been used as a basis for developing the characters looks) be included as guest art or put in a category of its own?
Quote from: Tapewolf on February 02, 2009, 11:30:27 AM
Yes. Now, does anyone have suggestions for revamping the look of the archives/additional art pages?
Should stuff that I've commissioned (which has often been used as a basis for developing the characters looks) be included as guest art or put in a category of its own?
Seriously now; as a suggestion I do think the commissioned artwork should be put in its own category.
I agree with Keaton: commissioned material in one section (I don't know what you'd call it though), and Fan/Guest art in another.
Quote from: Jairus on February 02, 2009, 11:34:11 AM
I agree with Keaton: commissioned material in one section (I don't know what you'd call it though), and Fan/Guest art in another.
Why not just call it Commissioned Art?
Quote from: Jairus on February 02, 2009, 11:34:11 AM
I agree with Keaton: commissioned material in one section (I don't know what you'd call it though), and Fan/Guest art in another.
Indeed. That would be my preference - but I can't think of a title for it.
**EDIT**
Quote from: Ren Gaulen on February 02, 2009, 11:35:47 AM
Why not just call it Commissioned Art?
Might be misinterpreted as 'stuff we commissioned for others'. Actually, most of the commissions are prototypes, so it would probably be better to collect all the test art together, regardless of who drew it.
Quote from: Tapewolf on February 02, 2009, 11:35:56 AM
Quote from: Jairus on February 02, 2009, 11:34:11 AM
I agree with Keaton: commissioned material in one section (I don't know what you'd call it though), and Fan/Guest art in another.
Indeed. That would be my preference - but I can't think of a title for it.
Look above. :3
Quote from: Tapewolf on February 02, 2009, 10:52:47 AM
Dear Amber,
Some of my fans are threatening to draw porn of my characters. What should I do?
Yours,
Tape
If they draw better than you, go for eeeeet! :U
I mean frig. I have been drawing DMFA for years and it seems if I am ever gonna get some high quality pronnings, I am gonna have to either hire out or draw it myself. And I find my own art as erotic as a rutabega. :<
Sweet, sweet rutabaga. Awwww yeah.
Quote from: Tapewolf on February 02, 2009, 11:23:36 AM
Quote from: Mao Laoren on February 02, 2009, 11:04:35 AM
I don't think you want to mention porn of your characters to Amber, Tape...
She gets enough people asking for the stuff she drew years ago - I think fuelling the fire might not be a good plan.
PS. If anyone does draw porn, I can guarantee it will not be added to the hypothetical fan-art section. Not only because I want to keep things fairly clean on prudish moral grounds, but it would probably violate the TOS on Xephernet anyway...
Could put it up on Ren's FA account...
Quote from: Mao Laoren on February 02, 2009, 09:59:01 AM
True. I wouldn't have any idea of what llearch and D-moon have in mind so that could be a problem, however I could still possibly crank something out for Tape. Might not be the most sophisticated of things as I work on legacy code these days, but who knows.
Quote from: Mao Laoren on February 02, 2009, 10:16:25 AMYour site is all php based right?
Edit: Nvm, answered my own question by going to your php info page.
And here I thought "legacy code" meant plain old HTML and perhaps CSS like I'm
up to. I've never even looked at php, java, cgi or whatever for that matter, let alone trying to learn it. Right now I'm back (after a year hiatus) to trying to wrap my mind around LSL (Linden Scripting Language in SecondLife, modelled after C++) after knowing only the old line-numbered BASICs for the past couple decades since high school.
Quote from: Tapewolf on February 02, 2009, 11:35:56 AM
Quote from: Jairus on February 02, 2009, 11:34:11 AM
I agree with Keaton: commissioned material in one section (I don't know what you'd call it though), and Fan/Guest art in another.
Indeed. That would be my preference - but I can't think of a title for it.
**EDIT**
Quote from: Ren Gaulen on February 02, 2009, 11:35:47 AM
Why not just call it Commissioned Art?
Might be misinterpreted as 'stuff we commissioned for others'. Actually, most of the commissions are prototypes, so it would probably be better to collect all the test art together, regardless of who drew it.
Uncommissioned? Decommissioned? Unsolicited? Incomprehensible? Inigo Montoya?
Oh god. Here comes the big rant!
Porn and my opinion of it is one of those things that tends to flex depending on my personal mood. And it also seems to be one of those things that a lot of people seem to think I have a set in stone stance on. I guess its the issue of that since I don't really make a deal of drawing it, people seem to think I absolutely hate it.
The reality is a lot more simple. And that is...I simply don't get any kicks out of drawing mature artwork at this time. I don't have anything against it...I just simply cannot find any reason to want to take the time and effort into a pic that I can likely have just as much fun drawing completely clean. Porn for me...is sometimes interesting to look at, but I have never gotten my giddies from it. And when it comes to my own art...I really don't find it all that appealing so me drawing porn for myself is pointless to me. Perhaps this will change, but considering how infrequent I ever dabble in mature stuff...there is just no point in trying to put it up anywhere because its nothing amazing to write home about.
Don't get me wrong. It's HILARIOUS to see various Chans when they reference DMFA go into discussing about how I apparently hate all porn and then they bring out that early Abel prototype from back before he was a character to claim that I am a huge liar and a hyprocrite or something. And then talk about its a shame because I have characters that should totally have porn of them. I guess if I had any beef with drawing porn...its just that I am not a serious person and most mature stuff I have done recently has been incredibly silly and joke-related...but everyone else on the internets seem to make porn out to be such serious business. And I just don't want to deal with a bunch of random strangers on the internet making even more judgements about my morality and whatevers over my choice or non choice to draw peenors.
Long story short:
Porn is hilarious. One day I may draw mature art. But right now, I just don't feel like it cause it doesn't seem worth it to me. I do what I wants, and I wants to draw non-porn. :B
Quote from: AmigaDragon on February 02, 2009, 12:47:34 PM
Quote from: Mao Laoren on February 02, 2009, 09:59:01 AM
True. I wouldn't have any idea of what llearch and D-moon have in mind so that could be a problem, however I could still possibly crank something out for Tape. Might not be the most sophisticated of things as I work on legacy code these days, but who knows.
Quote from: Mao Laoren on February 02, 2009, 10:16:25 AMYour site is all php based right?
Edit: Nvm, answered my own question by going to your php info page.
And here I thought "legacy code" meant plain old HTML and perhaps CSS like I'm up to. I've never even looked at php, java, cgi or whatever for that matter, let alone trying to learn it. Right now I'm back (after a year hiatus) to trying to wrap my mind around LSL (Linden Scripting Language in SecondLife, modelled after C++) after knowing only the old line-numbered BASICs for the past couple decades since high school.
I'm not calling php legacy stuff. I work on pl/sql generated webpages that are more than 10 years old at this point. That's the legacy stuff I'm working on. I used to do work on .jsp pages with JavaScript/CSS tossed in for dynamic stuff using Spring MVC/Java to get data from the database to the pages. I also work on some old C applications. I've got experience in basic, cobol, lisp, ada and the like.
I've only just started dabbling in php etc. as I've felt I was behind the times.
Edit:
*looks at wall o' text above*
Pron r srs bsns. *nods*
It just never fails to astound me how the main pre-req generally for porn is you are supposed to be over 18...yet that never seems to count mental maturity. :U
Oh man, if we start taking mental maturity into account I'm going to get sent back to kindergarden. This sets a bad precedence me thinks.
Eh. Porn is overrated anyway. But it can be hilarious sometimes, I agree with that.
If you can't laugh at it, you're looking at the wrong thing.
Taking yourself too seriously is asking for you to find some problems once you get intimate with someone. After all, what are you gonna do when you fart midway? And then both of you get the giggles?
Stop, because you're supposed to be serious?
Edit:
I should point out, I think Amber has it right. Porn is just artwork. If you're not interested, you're not interested.
And on that note.... (http://www.missmab.com/WRY/IRegretnotheeng2.jpg)
*snickersnort*
I AM A WITTY BEAST. :B
Ok. Yeah. I shouldn't have opened that at work.. but unless they were reading over my shoulder I'm fine. I suppose it didn't help when I lol'd.
Lulz. I have acquired them. Lots of them.
Cool. I remember Gabriel did almost the same joke, but it's still cool...
Caption-wise there's two things I'd change - I'd have said "manhood", and Daryil has an 'I' in it. I can probably fix both of those with my super editing powers, though.
Is there any chance of a high-res version? :3
**EDIT**
I might add that someone once asked why Joshua was so equipped... Daryil knows.
its a hidden weapon cleverly disguised as anatomy (also so that people who see him nekked don't instantly think hes a freak), think it would be more practical as a automatic rifle, laser, or missile launcher?
Quote from: Brunhidden on February 02, 2009, 03:08:04 PM
its a hidden weapon cleverly disguised as anatomy (also so that people who see him nekked don't instantly think hes a freak), think it would be more practical as a automatic rifle, laser, or missile launcher?
*snerk* Suuure.. if that's what you want to call it/think of it as.*snerk* Ok.. Ok.. I'll say no more.
Bah. Manhood just doesn't have the giggle-power behind it. But I guess that is up to personal interpretation. :U
I'll get penis into your comic one way or another. Just you wait. :B
Edit note: I realize that since I havent actually read the story the comic is based on itself...my knowledge of the characters is probably a lot more limited. And truthfully, 90% of this whole setup is I just like drawing goofy faces from time to time and the premise seemed really open to a bunch of them. I realize that Jakob may never actually have an expression like in the last panel...but dangit. It made me giggle when drawing it. :U
One day I will try to do something more in-line. Maybe. Possibly. Sorta.
Quote from: Amber Williams on February 02, 2009, 03:19:36 PM
Bah. Manhood just doesn't have the giggle-power behind it. But I guess that is up to personal interpretation. :U
I'm too repressed :<
I blame the fact you are British. :U
Why knock 200 years of tradition after all.
Quote from: Brunhidden on February 02, 2009, 03:08:04 PM
its a hidden weapon cleverly disguised as anatomy (also so that people who see him nekked don't instantly think hes a freak), think it would be more practical as a automatic rifle, laser, or missile launcher?
You mean he's not shooting blanks?
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Quote from: Amber Williams on February 02, 2009, 02:37:59 PM
And on that note.... (http://www.missmab.com/WRY/IRegretnotheeng2.jpg)
*collapses laughing*
Good gods, Amber! How do you do it?
Easy. I simply take all the scripts I never get to use for DMFA because it breaks rating, and I mush other characters into it.
It's so unfair. I have like...a gajillion jokes I could do that involve AbelxJyrras but I will never get away with em. :<
Quote from: Amber Williams on February 02, 2009, 04:25:24 PM
Easy. I simply take all the scripts I never get to use for DMFA because it breaks rating, and I mush other characters into it.
It's so unfair. I have like...a gajillion jokes I could do that involve AbelxJyrras but I will never get away with em. :<
I'd forgive you. You could always do a non-canon side-story thing. I really wouldn't complain.
What? AbelxJyrras is my OTP. Basically my only male/male OTP. SoraxKairi forever!
Heh, hilarious as always Amber.
Quote from: llearch n'n'daCorna on February 02, 2009, 02:23:01 PM
Taking yourself too seriously is asking for you to find some problems once you get intimate with someone. After all, what are you gonna do when you fart midway? And then both of you get the giggles?
Why do I get the feeling you're speaking from experience?
Quote from: Amber Williams on February 02, 2009, 08:44:28 AM
Quote from: Tapewolf on February 02, 2009, 05:47:26 AM
If we get more stuff like this, I'll add a fan-art section to the site.
Oh now you are just -asking- for it. :U
*leaps into the shadows*
More fan art, eh? hmmm.....
(http://e.deviantart.com/emoticons/n/ninjaplot.gif)
*throws a smoke bomb onto the ground, watches as it fizzles out, curses, then runs off into some nearby shadows*
The re-captioned versions of Amber's strips can be found here:
http://www.project-future.org/strips/guest/
I like to pretend that this is just Daryil's way of helping Joshua get over his Cubi fear...by slowly replacing it with extreme agitations. :U
*smirks* I like how Daryil thinks...Maybe he will like my stories >:3
You know Amber, there could be done a dark version of DMFA with all the jokes you can't place in the original. The strips could even go uninked- raw like you show them now.
Quote from: Amber Williams on February 05, 2009, 01:16:37 PM
I like to pretend that this is just Daryil's way of helping Joshua get over his Cubi fear...by slowly replacing it with extreme agitations. :U
Yep, that's some way to help him get over his fear. I am a firm believer that to stop fearing something one should become one with it, though. :B (J/K)
..Actually.. Cubi!Joshua for the win! :>
But that would mean....
A: More work. I hate to say it, but when I spend a bajillion hours of my week drawing nothing but DMFA...drawing more DMFA on the side...doesn't really thrill me. :/ Which is one of the reasons it sometimes takes me forever to get certain things on the site done.
B: I would have to deal with people who I dont feel like dealing with in regards to a dark version. It's a social mess I don't really want to bother with. Especially not for the sake of a few punchlines.
C: I really really hate my uninked/unfinished work. I almost didn't post the pages in the first place because I really hate the unfinished feel to things and feel its a real downgrade of quality. And I dont like having bad quality attached to my name.
Quote from: Amber Williams on February 05, 2009, 01:43:36 PM
But that would mean....
A: More work. I hate to say it, but when I spend a bajillion hours of my week drawing nothing but DMFA...drawing more DMFA on the side...doesn't really thrill me. :/ Which is one of the reasons it sometimes takes me forever to get certain things on the site done.
B: I would have to deal with people who I dont feel like dealing with in regards to a dark version. It's a social mess I don't really want to bother with. Especially not for the sake of a few punchlines.
C: I really really hate my uninked/unfinished work. I almost didn't post the pages in the first place because I really hate the unfinished feel to things and feel its a real downgrade of quality. And I dont like having bad quality attached to my name.
I see- a respectfull stand.
Quote from: Ren Gaulen on February 05, 2009, 01:42:45 PM
Yep, that's some way to help him get over his fear. I am a firm believer that to stop fearing something one should become one with it, though. :B (J/K)
(http://i89.photobucket.com/albums/k216/tapewolf/projectfuture/evil_cubi_josh.png)
http://i89.photobucket.com/albums/k216/tapewolf/projectfuture/evil_cubi_josh.png
Quote from: Kipiru on February 05, 2009, 01:24:03 PM
You know Amber, there could be done a dark version of DMFA with all the jokes you can't place in the original. The strips could even go uninked- raw like you show them now.
Actually, the reason I like Abel's Story so much is because it's a bit darker - without going completely overboard.
Quote from: Amber Williams on February 05, 2009, 01:43:36 PM
C: I really really hate my uninked/unfinished work. I almost didn't post the pages in the first place because I really hate the unfinished feel to things and feel its a real downgrade of quality. And I dont like having bad quality attached to my name.
Well, if ever you do get around to inking them, I'll replace the current ones. I kind of liked the rough feel to them, but that's probably because it's something I don't get to see often.
On another note, I've been working on the cast pages. Robbie redesigned them, and I'm starting to integrate that system into the site. This is still experimental and has a few rough edges, but I'd very much welcome opinions about it.
http://www.project-future.org/cast2.php
Quote from: Tapewolf on February 05, 2009, 02:38:20 PM
Quote from: Ren Gaulen on February 05, 2009, 01:42:45 PM
Yep, that's some way to help him get over his fear. I am a firm believer that to stop fearing something one should become one with it, though. :B (J/K)
http://i89.photobucket.com/albums/k216/tapewolf/projectfuture/evil_cubi_josh.png
Ebil husky is ebil. >:3
Gosh Josh...you are looking kind of stoned there. :U
Neat cast pages btw. :3
Quote from: Amber Williams on February 05, 2009, 02:42:32 PM
Gosh Josh...you are looking kind of stoned there. :U
He got high from his newly discovered awesomeness. :>
Quote from: Amber Williams on February 05, 2009, 02:42:32 PM
Gosh Josh...you are looking kind of stoned there. :U
It was taken from this one, so he would have been just bordering on the D-face before I tweaked him:
http://project-future.xepher.net/stuff/strips/pt1/Project%20Future%2035.gif
QuoteNeat cast pages btw. :3
Well, it was Robbie's design. It seems to work on pretty much every browser I've tried (even 'links'). The information is stored in a text file and rendered via PHP, so there's less work involved in adding new ones. It also supports hidden cast pages.
I'd be interested in comments as to whether the layout is good, whether the thumbnails down the side are too big etc. I'm thinking of switching it over tomorrow if no-one finds any critical issues with it.
Quote from: Tapewolf on February 05, 2009, 03:16:16 PM
It was taken from this one, so he would have been just bordering on the D-face before I tweaked him:
I'm sorry, but when you said that I just couldn't resist:
(http://i116.photobucket.com/albums/o15/Keaton_Mask/Lol/AwesomeJosh.jpg?t=1233867604)
You have no one to blame but yourself for this.
Clearly, this is the greatest Photoshop work I have ever done. Might've looked better without the eyebrows, though.
Quote from: Keaton the Black Jackal on February 05, 2009, 04:01:00 PM
I'm sorry, but when you said that I just couldn't resist:
*awesomejosh.jpg*
You have no one to blame but yourself for this.
Clearly, this is the greatest Photoshop work I have ever done. Might've looked better without the eyebrows, though.
I see what you did there. What I can't do is unsee it. :T
Quote from: Keaton the Black Jackal on February 05, 2009, 04:01:00 PM
I'm sorry, but when you said that I just couldn't resist:
*snip*
Clearly, this is the greatest Photoshop work I have ever done. Might've looked better without the eyebrows, though.
Oh god mah nose!
Heads up. Comic delayed due to needing to wipe the snot off tonights page. :U
Quote from: Keaton the Black Jackal on February 05, 2009, 04:01:00 PM
I'm sorry, but when you said that I just couldn't resist:
http://i116.photobucket.com/albums/o15/Keaton_Mask/Lol/AwesomeJosh.jpg?t=1233867604
Bad, bad Keaton!
*collapses laughing after EPIC!snrk*
Ow... I think I hurt my nose.
Quote from: Tapewolf on February 05, 2009, 05:26:55 PM
Quote from: Keaton the Black Jackal on February 05, 2009, 04:01:00 PM
I'm sorry, but when you said that I just couldn't resist:
http://i116.photobucket.com/albums/o15/Keaton_Mask/Lol/AwesomeJosh.jpg?t=1233867604
Bad, bad Keaton!
Nah, that's a good Keaton. <claps> I approve.
Quote from: Tapewolf on February 05, 2009, 03:16:16 PM
I'd be interested in comments as to whether the layout is good, whether the thumbnails down the side are too big etc. I'm thinking of switching it over tomorrow if no-one finds any critical issues with it.
There is one, but I'm not sure how to fix it. Without breaking everything else, I mean.
When the name rolls over to two lines, the thumbnails get out of sync. I'd suggest, assuming you're using css, a div wrapper around them both, if that works. It means a bit more code, but should be doable...
Quote from: Keaton the Black Jackal on February 05, 2009, 04:01:00 PM
Quote from: Tapewolf on February 05, 2009, 03:16:16 PM
It was taken from this one, so he would have been just bordering on the D-face before I tweaked him:
I'm sorry, but when you said that I just couldn't resist:
*AwesomeJoshPic*
You have no one to blame but yourself for this.
Clearly, this is the greatest Photoshop work I have ever done. Might've looked better without the eyebrows, though.
That was the most delightfully ebil thing I've seen all week.
Quote from: llearch n'n'daCorna on February 05, 2009, 06:57:29 PM
When the name rolls over to two lines, the thumbnails get out of sync. I'd suggest, assuming you're using css, a div wrapper around them both, if that works. It means a bit more code, but should be doable...
I highly doubt that will work as they're completely independent. As designed, it had the main characters on the left and the minor characters on the right, but that looked stupid as there were 10 major characters and 2 minor ones.
Keaton suggested cutting the names off and having them appear as tooltips to save space, which should work at a pinch for this until I can find a more permanent solution.
**EDIT**
I've made it display the nicknames instead.