The Clockwork Mansion

ohhhh boy.

Oh, he went there alright.  :)

Is it wrong that I'm laughing on the floor at this?

Fifty bolts says he tries to use Abel to ferret out the truth from May; after all, Abel can still hear what she's thinking, right?

my spidey senses are tingling...with an impending smackdown  :giggle  :smack
:tohell

Hmmm, well I guess that means Cid isn't Abel's father.  It also looks like May not know about it so the whole a cubi masqueraded is a more likely reason.

I told you so!

I told you that Cid wasn't going to go nuts.  Did you believe me? (Probably!)

Also, I'm not sensing any upcoming smackdown, unless May is a succubus and she goes after Cid.

 I knew it, iknewitiknewitiknewitiknewit i just knew it. Did I call it or what? An Incubus tricked May. That has to be the only answer now(unless someone can offer another viable, with-sense scenario, I'm still open to any good suggestions) But I just knew it. I said it all along, it was the only theory that made sense, given all the character reactions throughout the comic.


Oh, &$%@, did I just go on an arrogant gloat-rant?...... :sweatdrop...... :banghead dammit, I just can't help myself. I will take any typed punishment directed at me, I will probably deserve all of it. :[

This is the final countdown peoples

Iunno, I think the whole thing's gone fairly well, so far.

Quote from: techmaster-glitch on April 14, 2007, 02:20:25 AM
I knew it, iknewitiknewitiknewitiknewit i just knew it. Did I call it or what? An Incubus tricked May. That has to be the only answer now(unless someone can offer another viable, with-sense scenario, I'm still open to any good suggestions) But I just knew it. I said it all along, it was the only theory that made sense, given all the character reactions throughout the comic.

Nope, you're not in the clear yet. Theory that May was not tricked but had willingly cheated on Cid is still viable at this point, or May could have been blackmailed into having a child with Abel's biological dad (assuming Cid is not), or May could still be a Cubi and be lying about it.

You can't always trust character reactions to be genuine. The verdict has not yet been reached yet.

In other words, give us the "I told you so" speech when we know for sure.

darn my theory just got blown out of the water. or is Cid admitting that he's cubi?

Quote from: techmaster-glitch on April 14, 2007, 02:20:25 AMI knew it, iknewitiknewitiknewitiknewit i just knew it. Did I call it or what? An Incubus tricked May. That has to be the only answer now(unless someone can offer another viable, with-sense scenario, I'm still open to any good suggestions) But I just knew it. I said it all along, it was the only theory that made sense, given all the character reactions throughout the comic.

Hold on there, cowboy.

Cid has claimed that there are two ways to make an incubus.  From what Amber has said, there may be others.  Given Cid's reaction, it makes little sense for Cid to be an incubus.

If Cid were truly an incubus, then he would probably know that `cubi can be made through other means, and he would feign ignorance about `cubi inheritance so that he wouldn't be accusing May of infidelity.  Doing so would lead May to think that Cid was an incubus, and he would want to avoid placing suspicion on himself at all costs.

If May were the succubus, however, then her actions would seem plausible.  She continues to feign ignorance of `cubi, and protests loudly that she's been faithful, knowing full well that the worst that can come of that is that she's viewed as a slut or that she was tricked.

I still think that it's most likely that May was tricked, though I'm a bit sad that it won't turn out that Kria's instructor was Cid in disguise.

Also, I should reiterate that it seems unlikely that May would know that Abel was going to be an incubus, and not to prepare Cid for the revelation.

I read the comic, and the only thing going through my mind as I finished reading it:

Let's get ready to... RRRRUMBLLLLLLLE!!!

Well, it had to come this point eventually.  It was inevitable.  The only thing I wish wasn't inevitable is the wild speculation that will come from the fans.  As I have made clear, theories of...sub-substandard quality have spawned from this place.

*Pulls up a chair*

(http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y58/Goatmon/1137370546905.gif)

i know something you don't know~
<3

Quote from: icarus on April 14, 2007, 02:50:55 AM
i know something you don't know~
<3

The GNP of Nigeria? :B

I am thinking that any slugfest that may come out of this will either be delayed a panel or two by exposition(ie: Cid explaining that  :shapeshifters), ot will occur briefly, in one panel,a nd be broken up by either Abel, Cid's friend, or 'events'.

I feel a round of punches coming along

Quote from: Manawolf on April 14, 2007, 02:40:55 AM
Well, it had to come this point eventually.  It was inevitable.  The only thing I wish wasn't inevitable is the wild speculation that will come from the fans.  As I have made clear, theories of...sub-substandard quality have spawned from this place.

Yeah, how dare people have fun and go off on a limb all the time here. Amber NEVER does the unexpected in her comics; they always go by parsimony (Occom's razor as you people call it) and we all could see this was the obvious and only way things could have panned out.

Geez people, you really need to stop trying to think out of the box from now on and just accept the first and easiest answer that comes to mind. Sheesh.

Quote from: Kattuccino on April 14, 2007, 03:08:07 AM
(first rate sarcasm)

*hugs*

Ohh that was wonderfuly put

I bow before your greatness

Ok, I am completely sure now that a Incubus tricked May. It could be that the Incubus was one who Cid defeated but wasn't able/didn't kill, and in revenge, decided to trick May.


-RobbieThe1st

I think that the best that could happen is May explaining her side of the story,  Cid realizes it wasn't her fault, an forgives her.  The worst thing that could happen is May and Cid splitting up after a fight, the worst happening is him punching (scratching?) her face and storming off. :cry

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Quote from: Manawolf on April 14, 2007, 02:40:55 AM
Well, it had to come this point eventually.  It was inevitable.  The only thing I wish wasn't inevitable is the wild speculation that will come from the fans.  As I have made clear, theories of...sub-substandard quality have spawned from this place.

Yeah, how dare people have fun and go off on a limb all the time here. Amber NEVER does the unexpected in her comics; they always go by parsimony (Occom's razor as you people call it) and we all could see this was the obvious and only way things could have panned out.

Geez people, you really need to stop trying to think out of the box from now on and just accept the first and easiest answer that comes to mind. Sheesh.

"Abel is Dan's father" and "She has slightly longer hair.  She can't be Hennya" say enough on the kind of lows this forum has sunk to.  Speculate, but please, think before you your hair continues to strangle more of your brain cells.

Quote from: thegayhare on April 14, 2007, 03:11:55 AM

Quote from: Kattuccino on April 14, 2007, 03:08:07 AM
(first rate sarcasm)

*hugs*

Ohh that was wonderfuly put

I bow before your greatness

I'm with Homo Hare.  We need more awesome posts like these around. 

Quote from: LoneHowler on April 14, 2007, 02:38:25 AMor is Cid admitting that he's cubi?

Note the quotes around ``father.''  He is trying to question the identity of Abel's father, previously assumed to be him.  Unless Amber is messing with us, Cid isn't claiming to be the father.

And not just ordinary unreliable narrator stuff.  If she's messing with us that much, I could see her saying that Devin not only didn't die, but that Devin was a figment of Abel's imagination.

Quote from: Manawolf on April 14, 2007, 03:22:50 AM"Abel is Dan's father" and "She has slightly longer hair. She can't be Hennya" say enough on the kind of lows this forum has sunk to.  Speculate, but please, think before you your hair continues to strangle more of your brain cells.

Well, ``Abel is Dan's father'' was a honeypot, and we had no reason to believe that the naga in 30 was the same as the one in 69, especially when there *were* differences in how they were drawn.

Now, what about speculation involving certain tabletop RPGs?

Oh no he di-in't!

What? You were all thinking it.

... Is this the point where we fade to black, and come back in sometime later?

Quote from: llearch n'n'daCorna on April 14, 2007, 04:03:11 AM
... Is this the point where we fade to black, and come back in sometime later?

And we fade in to a Cubi called Cid, playing mind dreams with May. And then the relationship expanded  .....

If Cid was bluffing about being the 'cubi parent, I still don't see him trying to make May look unfaithful, even if it was the only other option.  Right now it looks as though the "May was tricked by a shapeshifting cubi" theory is the most plausible, but it's still not solid fact yet, and won't be until someone comes along and says "yes, May, you were tricked by a 'cubi who took the form of your husband in order to father a child with you."

And so what if we're tossing around wild ideas about what's really going on here?  Guessing what will happen next is part of being a rabid fan.  The only kind of theory I don't care to read is one that is completely unfounded in any form of logic whatsoever.  Stretching it is one thing, but packing up for vacation and leaving the logic behind to fend for itself for three weeks is another.

In other words, let's all lighten up.  Sheesh.

"Whodunit?" *cough*notme*cough* (EDIT: No. Not sarcasm. I mean, come on.)

Also, "I don't recall that wonderful evening, so I know you have to been tricked by an incubus."

* The fox smirks so.

Quote from: Ink on April 14, 2007, 04:53:06 AM
"Whodunit?" *cough*notme*cough* (EDIT: No. Not sarcasm. I mean, come on.)

Also, "I don't recall that wonderful evening, so I know you have to been tricked by an incubus."

* The fox smirks so.

wait... are you admitting to being Abels dad?
/me runs for cover from Ink.... AND Amber.

Quote from: Manawolf on April 14, 2007, 03:22:50 AM
"Abel is Dan's father" and "She has slightly longer hair.  She can't be Hennya" say enough on the kind of lows this forum has sunk to.

"Abel is Dan's Father" was from september 2005 and therefore predates this forum (the DMFA bit, not the entire board).  While it occurred to me that it was borderline-possible, my main aim in publishing it was for to mess with people's heads.  From your reaction it would seem to have done so admirably.

After that it became something that I trotted out each time crackpot theories came along for amusement value.
I haven't done that for a while now, not least because the last time I did so - which may have been on this forum - some people actually began to believe it in spite of the gaping holes in the theory.

Quote from: llearch n'n'daCorna on April 14, 2007, 04:03:11 AM
... Is this the point where we fade to black, and come back in sometime later?

No.  Amber's fades in Abel's Story have almost always happened at the end of the strip.  There might be a cut or a "...so you see!" line, or Abel may even leave the room as Hennya suggests, but we're not quite ready for a long jump in time.

It's good in a way that Cid realises that Abel is a 'Cubi, and while a broken home is the last thing he needs after seeing Devin die, at least it means he isn't going to try and kill him.  Besides, he's 24 or so, old enough to be independent so while it's depressing it's not the end of the world.

This really, really begs the question of who or what Cid was going to run off and do when he saw that Abel was a 'Cubi.

         Cid is Abel's legal father. There are questions about biological father, but for the moment alll has to be seen. By the way, this would be a good time for Hennya and Abel to move into another room ...

The last time someone "went there" with May, she put their head into a desk.  She also moved her family out of town.  I speculate that she is going to snap.  Cid will explain to her how Cubi operate and what there capabilities are.  Then, her anger will be directed toward whoever tricked her, if she is not a succubus.

I think that Abel's father is Devon's father.  The reason he abandoned Devon as a child is because he was born without wings.

*Charline sighs*  So much for my hoped-for tentacle wing bloodbath... a cubi can dream... or disembowel her human slave...

*Charles  :erk*  Meh?  *instant skewering from tenta-wings!* 

*Charline continues nonchalantly*  Anyway, all the speculations are useless.  The truth is much more bizarre than any of you realize:  Amber is Abel's father.  Yes, it's a strange plot twist involving inverse parallel dimensions, time-travel, vampire cheerleaders from Mars, transgenic experimentation, and Bob Dole.  Very weird stuff...  ;)

Wait, Bob Dole is involved ... ahh I see how the plot all falls together now  8)

BTW excellent "i'm going to take my hand, puch it through your chest, pull out your heart, and than stuff your heart backin you through your mouth" expression amber  :)

Quote from: Meech on April 14, 2007, 06:40:46 AMI think that Abel's father is Devon's father.  The reason he abandoned Devon as a child is because he was born without wings.

I really don't like this theory.  The question is why Devin's dad would stick around after two of his kids were born without wings, but leave after the third.  I can understand why he might want to give her a second chance (and maybe the `others' were twins), but I can't see why he wouldn't be willing to give her a fourth chance after giving her a third chance.

Then again, Catherine of Aragon got six chances.  Henry VIII couldn't disappear quite as easily, though.

It would also seem likely that Devin's mom would have had sex with an incubus with malice aforethought.  After all, if your significant other told you to kill your kid because he didn't have wings, wouldn't that lead to questions as to why he was expecting wings?

If that's the case, it would seem strange that this particular incubus would leave a seemingly open (albeit farming) relationship so that he could go out and have sex with May under false pretenses.

I just have to say, I adore the way Amber did that last panel. Keeping the word balloons seperated like that was pure genious.

By the look on May's face in the last panel...I'd say Chivalry is gonna be tossed aside soon and a cat-fight will break out, literally (because they're felines, get it?)

"This week on Jerry Spaniel: My Dad Called My Mom a Whore! Tune in!"

Quote from: Manawolf on April 14, 2007, 03:22:50 AM

Quote from: Kattuccino on April 14, 2007, 03:08:07 AM

Quote from: Manawolf on April 14, 2007, 02:40:55 AM
Well, it had to come this point eventually.  It was inevitable.  The only thing I wish wasn't inevitable is the wild speculation that will come from the fans.  As I have made clear, theories of...sub-substandard quality have spawned from this place.

Yeah, how dare people have fun and go off on a limb all the time here. Amber NEVER does the unexpected in her comics; they always go by parsimony (Occom's razor as you people call it) and we all could see this was the obvious and only way things could have panned out.

Geez people, you really need to stop trying to think out of the box from now on and just accept the first and easiest answer that comes to mind. Sheesh.

"Abel is Dan's father" and "She has slightly longer hair.  She can't be Hennya" say enough on the kind of lows this forum has sunk to.  Speculate, but please, think before you your hair continues to strangle more of your brain cells.

Yes, because those are taken seriously. Yes, ok then. This coming from the guy who tries to relate every single thing to DnD.

Bad theories tend to spread like disease, and the n00bs are always the first to go.  Unfortunately, they don't leave.

QuoteThis really, really begs the question of who or what Cid was going to run off and do when he saw that Abel was a 'Cubi.

Go calm down before he got really upset with her and said something like he said?

I think there are two highly plausible possibilities:

1)   An incubus tricked May
2)   An incubus seduced May, but only tricked her insofar as not revealing he was an incubus

If May knew he was an incubus, she'd not have panicked, and her being an incubus or knowing her lover was an incubus is ruled out because of it. As such, these are the only two plausible explanations. While she may want to hide being an incubus, the other alternative is no better. Meanwhile, on Cid's side, he seems too nice a guy to put her through this, and again, if she knows she isn't a succubus, that leaves two possibilities, and that is more likely to cause problems for Cid.

It is possible that Cid is an incubus and is really that evil, but I put that as a distant third.

Quote from: Kenji on April 14, 2007, 01:13:07 PM"This week on Jerry Spaniel: My Dad Called My Mom a Whore! Tune in!"

I don't think that's going to make it to air.  Too tame.

``My Mom had an affair with a demon...and now I'm a demon!'' maybe.  If you can work transsexual or emo in there, I think it will work.

Quote from: Titanium Dragon on April 14, 2007, 01:38:47 PMGo calm down before he got really upset with her and said something like he said?

You win the prize!

Quote from: Titanium Dragon on April 14, 2007, 01:38:47 PMIf May knew he was an incubus, she'd not have panicked, and her being an incubus or knowing her lover was an incubus is ruled out because of it.

Perhaps she's putting on a show?

Quote from: Manawolf on April 14, 2007, 01:32:38 PM
Bad theories tend to spread like disease, and the n00bs are always the first to go.  Unfortunately, they don't leave.

Oh damn... Are we generalizing? We are generalizing, aren't we? Yes, we are generalizing. Now, what do they say about generalizing?

Some people may become highly regarded without merit, and some of the same kind of people may disregard new but clearly more clearheaded people as "n00bs", if you will. What does this teach us? Nothing. People are people, and in the end it's a question of who has the most brains, experience or just plain cunning.
   Of course, if you apply this to politics, things become quite different, but this is a forum. There is no bloody power struggle going on. So you can "throw jaw" as much as you want, as we say in Sweden, but it will do you about as much good as beating up a pillow.
   Now, it's true that we have seen some stupid theories, but as far as I can recall you shouldn't have expected much more from those who stated these. Also, the only stupid theories that have gotten any attention were thought of by more noticeable members. Now, mind you, that I don't remember who said what and when, so I'm just talking generally here. I don't bear grudges against people for stupidity alone. But I think that I can say quite safely that the people who came up with these idiocies were not "n00bs", as you seem to like calling them, Mana.

That cleared, I think that this panel proves that either Cid is a bit of a dimwit, or he was so naive as to actually believe May on the whole thing about the wings being the result of magic. Or, possibly, that May herself is so naive as to believe it at once without thinking critically and considering that there might be another explanation.

BWA HA HA HA HAAAA!
I got it. The perfect wacko theory.  Cid is a Fae playing the role of an incubus pretending to be a being. 

There, it's all made plain.  No, I do not wear an aluminum hat.  I use stainless steel foil.  :P

With regards,
Ted

Quote from: Titanium Dragon on April 14, 2007, 01:38:47 PM

QuoteThis really, really begs the question of who or what Cid was going to run off and do when he saw that Abel was a 'Cubi.

Go calm down before he got really upset with her and said something like he said?

I think there are two highly plausible possibilities:

1)   An incubus tricked May
2)   An incubus seduced May, but only tricked her insofar as not revealing he was an incubus

If May knew he was an incubus, she'd not have panicked, and her being an incubus or knowing her lover was an incubus is ruled out because of it. As such, these are the only two plausible explanations. While she may want to hide being an incubus, the other alternative is no better. Meanwhile, on Cid's side, he seems too nice a guy to put her through this, and again, if she knows she isn't a succubus, that leaves two possibilities, and that is more likely to cause problems for Cid.

It is possible that Cid is an incubus and is really that evil, but I put that as a distant third.

If May *is* an Incubus, then there is some serious Gender bending going on there, don't you think?

And Manawolf, you seem to be a bit harsh on the forum goers here.

Yes, it's rampant speculation, but that doesn't mean that they're sinking to lows, just that they're having fun with the storyline and being a bit silly. There's really nothing wrong with that.

There's also the possibility that May was seduced while her husband was away, and feels great shame about it.

There's also the possibilty that she was taken during a VERY nice dream in which her husband arrived in the morning and gave her a VERY nice hello.

I think Cid is trying to do two things.
1) He is trying to determine if May was faithful during his absences.  Unfair, but realistic.  May should retort that she never questioned during all of his adventuring if he fooled around while adventuring.

2) To get May to accept the fact that she did have to have sex with some one other than Cid to have an incubus.  Not to incriminate her, but to help her make decisions about Abel's future.  After all Incubi are generally seen as monsters to be killed by adventurers.

If people don't cool down then I can see this going very badly.  Cid will leave.  May will be heartbroken.  Abel will feel like he's not only a monster who couldn't save Devlin, but who also destroyed his family by being a monster. 

"Great drama though."

Somber

Quote from: Somber on April 14, 2007, 02:39:40 PM

If people don't cool down then I can see this going very badly.  Cid will leave.  May will be heartbroken.  Abel will feel like he's not only a monster who couldn't save Devlin, but who also destroyed his family by being a monster. 

"Great drama though."

Somber

I agree with that part 100%
It seems the most likely to me at this point and would explain alot.
That's my opinion till proven otherwise  :)

QuotePerhaps she's putting on a show?

Yeah, but why? She doesn't have any apparent motivation to do so, and moreover, she seemed panicked. And while yes, character reactions are not necessarily real, there doesn't seem to be a clear motivation for her pretending to panic. She'd be better off reacting more calmly, and she wouldn't have been prepared to contact a specialist, who would KNOW that he was an incubus, thus spreading the information.

QuoteThat cleared, I think that this panel proves that either Cid is a bit of a dimwit, or he was so naive as to actually believe May on the whole thing about the wings being the result of magic. Or, possibly, that May herself is so naive as to believe it at once without thinking critically and considering that there might be another explanation.

No. Because, quite simply put, remember back, oh, when it first came up? Namely, http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Abel_06.php . Who is reassuring who? Cid is reassuring May and saying it is normal for adventurers' children to be abnormal. She believes HIM, not the other way around.

Hmm, I highly doubt either of them are cubi, especially at this point since if one of them was they would have came out with it by now. My guess is that there really is no explanation for why Abel is an incubus and if there is, Amber won't tell us now and will end up having this particular arguement ensuing at the moment end badly.  :mwaha

Really though, Abel is the only character so far I believe who has two different colored eyes. His wing style also is a hybrid of bird/bat wings while every other Cubi shown so far appears to either have bird or bat like wings. Except for the bishonen Cubi who decked Abel in the main comic #537 (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_537.php). Her style is reversed though with the bat like section on top and the bird like section near the bottom. So it would seem to have this kind of hybridization must be extremely rare or possibly a clan trait.

He is clearly unique, perhaps foreshadowing that he has a much higher purpose. Anything is possible, but yea my money is that Abel is either some kind of "Messiah" or the herald of the Apocalypse, or both.  :)

Quote from: Xeksue on April 14, 2007, 03:59:25 PM
Anything is possible, but yea my money is that Abel is either some kind of "Messiah" or the herald of the Apocalypse, or both.  :)

Actually, my money's on Dan for that role.  His upbringing is sufficiently peculiar to have attracted attention from many sides.  Amber has already stated on the forum that abducting 'Cubi is not the usual modus operandi for SAIA, so Fa'Lina's "we must bring him to the Academy at all costs" line means that something really, really weird is going on and I'm not sure it's just the Dragon business, although that might factor on the 'herald of the Apocalypse' side of things.

At the risk of derailing the thread slightly, welcome to the group.  That's a really bizarre avatar you've got.  What is it?

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Quote from: Kenji on April 14, 2007, 01:13:07 PM"This week on Jerry Spaniel: My Dad Called My Mom a Whore! Tune in!"

I don't think that's going to make it to air.  Too tame.

``My Mom had an affair with a demon...and now I'm a demon!'' maybe.  If you can work transsexual or emo in there, I think it will work.

Oh that'll be easy. Especially since so many people have been typing "If May is an incubus."

Quote from: Kenji on April 14, 2007, 05:37:15 PM
Oh that'll be easy. Especially since so many people have been typing "If May is an incubus."

:erk Heh, yeah, no kidding.

I'm still betting on a powerful curse thrown on the Dad by a powerful, patient and vengeful creature during his adventuring Career.

After all if you live 2000 years, 40 isn't too long to wait for through and complete revenge.

Quote from: Tapewolf on April 14, 2007, 05:32:36 PM

At the risk of derailing the thread slightly, welcome to the group.  That's a really bizarre avatar you've got.  What is it?

Thanks for the welcome, been following this comic for a few weeks and decided to register today.  8) The avatar I got is actually the negatized artwork for Eternal Dominion (http://ww2.wizards.com/gatherer/CardDetails.aspx?&id=87593) from MtG.

You are right though, Dan's abduction did imply that something may be up. We don't know exactly how Abel gets into SAIA yet either though so its not beyond the realm of possibility that both of them are two halves of the same whole. I got a feeling that how he gets to the academy may be coming up soon enough though.

Quote from: Xeksue on April 14, 2007, 03:59:25 PM
Hmm, I highly doubt either of them are cubi, especially at this point since if one of them was they would have came out with it by now. My guess is that there really is no explanation for why Abel is an incubus and if there is, Amber won't tell us now and will end up having this particular arguement ensuing at the moment end badly.  :mwaha

Really though, Abel is the only character so far I believe who has two different colored eyes. His wing style also is a hybrid of bird/bat wings while every other Cubi shown so far appears to either have bird or bat like wings. Except for the bishonen Cubi who decked Abel in the main comic #537 (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_537.php). Her style is reversed though with the bat like section on top and the bird like section near the bottom. So it would seem to have this kind of hybridization must be extremely rare or possibly a clan trait.

He is clearly unique, perhaps foreshadowing that he has a much higher purpose. Anything is possible, but yea my money is that Abel is either some kind of "Messiah" or the herald of the Apocalypse, or both.  :)

I think it's because Abel is a cat furry and it is not atypical of cats to have mixed eyes.

Evidence may or may not have gone unnoticed: May has no black undertail. Cid and Abel both do.

That's all I really have to say. Oh, and Mana, I was just messing with you. I knew what you meant, but if it really bugs you then you don't have to read the crazy theories you think are unfounded. Glad TGH and Goatman enjoyed the post ;)

Now I REALLY want to know the answer once and for all though.

Erp. Now this is a bad situation... because either way, Cid is saying that the fault for Abel being an Incubus is on May, no matter what the situation.

That seems like a relationship breaker.

Quote from: Titanium Dragon on April 14, 2007, 03:41:25 PM

QuotePerhaps she's putting on a show?

Yeah, but why? She doesn't have any apparent motivation to do so, and moreover, she seemed panicked. And while yes, character reactions are not necessarily real, there doesn't seem to be a clear motivation for her pretending to panic. She'd be better off reacting more calmly, and she wouldn't have been prepared to contact a specialist, who would KNOW that he was an incubus, thus spreading the information.

I'm almost utterly convinced that May is not a succubus.  All I'm doing is offering alternative possibilities.  As you say, this one is not particularly convincing, but I think you're not giving it the credit it should be due.

If she contacts specialists in magical transformation, it's not unreasonable that they wouldn't know what an incubus was.  After all, Hennya just happened to read about them in a book, and the information that she got was pretty far off, indicating that it was probably not a standardized text.

Also, Hennya just described incubi as vicious monsters that claw their victims' faces off.  A normal person would probably be thrown into a panic when hearing that.  If May is trying to blend in, she would try to behave like a normal person.  Especially if she can hear Cid's thoughts as he's walking up the drive, and knows that it's probably better to be panicked.  After all, if Cid has to try to calm May down, he's less likely to fly off the handle, himself.

All in all, I don't think that anyone is terribly panicked.  May is clearly very anxious, but both Cid and May seem perfectly rational here.  May seems taken aback that Cid would even consider that May was being unfaithful, which suggests that he's never broached the subject before.  That would seem odd for someone who is away from his wife for long periods of time, unless he's not the jealous type.  I think the withering gaze that Cid is giving is less judgmental, and more ``OK.  Out with it and let's move on.''

Quote from: Tapewolf on April 14, 2007, 05:32:36 PMActually, my money's on Dan for that role.  His upbringing is sufficiently peculiar to have attracted attention from many sides.  Amber has already stated on the forum that abducting 'Cubi is not the usual modus operandi for SAIA, so Fa'Lina's "we must bring him to the Academy at all costs" line means that something really, really weird is going on and I'm not sure it's just the Dragon business, although that might factor on the 'herald of the Apocalypse' side of things.

Fa'Lina's comment may just be a reflection that the son of someone who was probably one of the founding members/first students of SAIA probably gets special treatment.  SAIA might even have a whole college named after Destania at this point, and snubbing one of your benefactors might indeed be the equivalent of ``all costs.''

On a more Manawolf-friendly level of speculation, Fa'Lina is in fact, probably referring to some danger that Dan is in due to some familial conflict.  Doesn't make him the Mahdi.

Also, I've always found it odd that the `cubi seem concerned about Dan and dragons because Dan's from the Cyra clan, but the dragons seem most concerned that Dan's the son of Edward.  I've said duelling prophecies, before, but it bears repeating.  After all, is there anything that unusual for `cubi to know a Cyra, or is it that unusual for dragons to have heard about an adventurer?

Quote from: Tapewolf on April 14, 2007, 05:32:36 PMAt the risk of derailing the thread slightly, welcome to the group.  That's a really bizarre avatar you've got.  What is it?

It's not the avvy for me.  That name is going to get confusing with Xse-Xse around.

Actually, Abel isn't Mays son at all. He was swapped for another kid at the hospital. Devin, to be exact.  Devins mother, a succubus, had an affair with Mays brother. Hence the family resemblance.  Somebody at the hospital saw that Mays son looked like Devins mother and vice versa thought they had been swapped by accident, and swapped them "back".

As we have seen, having your head-wings appear and alert you to your true nature is a traumatic affair and Devins poor mother became quite unhinged.  She killed Devins siblings and eventually killed herself.

It all makes sense now...  :ipod

Quote from: Tapewolf on April 14, 2007, 05:32:36 PM
Fa'Lina's "we must bring him to the Academy at all costs" line means that something really, really weird is going on

It's not as if someone didn't apply for him to come first anyway...

Quote from: Aridas Soulfire on April 14, 2007, 07:56:46 PM

Quote from: Tapewolf on April 14, 2007, 05:32:36 PM
Fa'Lina's "we must bring him to the Academy at all costs" line means that something really, really weird is going on

It's not as if someone didn't apply for him to come first anyway...

When someone volunteers and then changes their mind, you do not usually resort to kidnapping them.

Dan didn't exactly volunteer, so it wasn't his mind to change ;P

And he technically wasn't kidnapped. Like Fa'Lina said, she's just making it better for him after everything's said and done.

Well, I thought that "taken against his will" = "kidnapped." He didn't agree to going, nor does Fa'lina have (as far as I know) any legal authority to force him to go.

Now, it may have been better for him to go in the end, but that still doesn't make it not kidnapping.

I'm still voting that it was a byproduct of daddy being an adventurer.

I still say that Dad had some Cubi grandparents (or great-grandparents) in his family tree that the outward appearance got weeded out.  Then through being exposed to all that residue magics awoke some cubi stuff in his little soldiers :dndist and here came Abel. 
:ddrabel

So by dad's theory, he's the cubi of the family  :mowtongue

Quote from: modelincard on April 14, 2007, 08:44:32 PM
Well, I thought that "taken against his will" = "kidnapped." He didn't agree to going, nor does Fa'lina have (as far as I know) any legal authority to force him to go.

Now, it may have been better for him to go in the end, but that still doesn't make it not kidnapping.

Not only that but she committed an act of Grievous Bodily Harm in order to render him helpless enough to perform the deed.

but he would've agreed, dan's a good guy, he'd learn to be a good cubi in time D:

Quote from: Tapewolf on April 14, 2007, 08:12:12 PMWhen someone volunteers and then changes their mind, you do not usually resort to kidnapping them.

I've said it before (http://clockworkmansion.com/forum/index.php?topic=2045.msg84108#msg84108) and it bears repeating.

I have a feeling that if `cubi start rampaging, they're liable to get applications filed in their names and wind up at SAIA for some re-education.

After all, if they start rampaging, some people might get the idea that `cubi enjoy rampaging in general, and that might lead right back to the state of affairs from before Fa'Lina founded SAIA.  It would be in SAIA's best interests to correct nefarious `cubi.

Quote from: Tapewolf on April 14, 2007, 08:50:11 PM
Not only that but she committed an act of Grievous Bodily Harm in order to render him helpless enough to perform the deed.

Actually, IMHO it was just a Fa'lina-style very practical demonstration that her clan isn't one of the "peaceful behaviour" ones...   (http://www.cosgan.de/images/smilie/frech/e020.gif)

           So what happens if Cid pops off the eye patch and says, " You ever seen a mark like this on Abel ? " ( remember the red marking on Abel's back ? )

I'm hyped... FOR THE CRITICAL BEATDOWN!!

Quote from: kaskar on April 15, 2007, 12:15:06 AMSo what happens if Cid pops off the eye patch and says, " You ever seen a mark like this on Abel ? " ( remember the red marking on Abel's back ? )

We all freak out.

Note first that the scar looks nothing like Abel's marking.  Note second that his marking is probably too large to hide under his eyepatch.

But that's all crap.  Here's what's really important.  Cid is questioning the paternity of Abel.  Note the quotes around ``father.''  If Cid were going to reveal himself to be an incubus, why would he start off with hurtful misdirection about him not being one?

Quote from: Ink on April 14, 2007, 04:53:06 AM
"Whodunit?" *cough*notme*cough* (EDIT: No. Not sarcasm. I mean, come on.)

Also, "I don't recall that wonderful evening, so I know you have to been tricked by an incubus."

* The fox smirks so.

Why are Je.Saist and I the only ones who seemed to notice that Ink practically just admitted to being May's baby-daddeh?  :erk That's a scary thought right there...

On another note, at first I was going for the hopeful stuff, thinking that everything might be able to be happy. However, I've come to realize one thing: Abel is a ****ed up individual in the present (that is, the main storyline), which means that, in general, the truth of the matter will indeed be the most painful possibilities. With that knowledge in mind, I wouldn't be entirely shocked if May actually willingly cheated on Cid (though even then she may not have known it was with an Incubus). However, I don't think she did. Still, I don't think that it's possible that either of the parents are the 'Cubus, and I don't think that it's a result of anything that happened in his adventures. To be entirely honest, I believe that that leaves far too much room for a happy ending possibility, and it's been made clear by Abel's demeanor in the present that his story isn't happy at all.

So yeah. I believe that a 'Cubi did, in some way, intrude on Cid's marriage with May.

Quote from: DeedaeicMess on April 15, 2007, 12:31:16 AMWhy are Je.Saist and I the only ones who seemed to notice that Ink practically just admitted to being May's baby-daddeh?

Anybody feel like counting months?

If Ink based his character off of Amber's succubus characters (right?  Aary came first?), then it seems likely that Amber would have already known Abel's heritage before Ink came along.

Personally, my money's on "Cid isn't the father."  Predominantly since Abel seems to share zero features with the one eyed adventurer.  As far as we've seen in DMFA, even if a hybrid is made, the child tends to be heavily based on one parent, with some spicing from the other.  Abel looks a bit like May's winged and male clone.

Though, I'd also go as far as saying that the affair probably wasn't a conscious one.  However, May also has a history of violent reactions to people insinuating infidelity (reference page 12, and somewhat implied in page 15 that the principal wasn't the first one to insinuate).  Perhaps the violent lashing is a defensive measure to prevent people from knowing, or to let herself believe the lie.

But, again, I don't think May seems to be the type to have a physical affair consciously.  More likely it might have been "*naughty things* then *poof* hehe, glad you had fun *flee* Meep.  Erm, Cid, I think we should have a baby.  *confused* erm. okay."  Another point towards May already knowing about Abel's Cubi heritage comes from page 22, where Mrs. Soulstealer mentions May's "Concern."  While this might be a basic and natural concern of a mother knowing that their kindergartener will be playing with explosions and lightning, it could be a concern over people finding out something she would rather not.

On the other, other hand, page 77 had May ask "A Whatcubis?" which pretty much knocks out that whole notion, unless she's feigning innocent.  Though, she might have thought the incubus to be just a shapeshifter of the non-cubi sort... or a mage using illusionary magics.  meh, who knows, who cares, traditionally my voice is never listened to anyway.

Quote from: superluser on April 15, 2007, 01:02:04 AM

Quote from: DeedaeicMess on April 15, 2007, 12:31:16 AMWhy are Je.Saist and I the only ones who seemed to notice that Ink practically just admitted to being May's baby-daddeh?

Anybody feel like counting months?

If Ink based his character off of Amber's succubus characters (right?  Aary came first?), then it seems likely that Amber would have already known Abel's heritage before Ink came along.

I thought Ink said it WASN'T him. He said it wasn't him, and that that wasn't sarcasm.

Quote from: superluser on April 15, 2007, 01:02:04 AM

Quote from: DeedaeicMess on April 15, 2007, 12:31:16 AMWhy are Je.Saist and I the only ones who seemed to notice that Ink practically just admitted to being May's baby-daddeh?

Anybody feel like counting months?

If Ink based his character off of Amber's succubus characters (right?  Aary came first?), then it seems likely that Amber would have already known Abel's heritage before Ink came along.

I wonder if 'cubi gestation is much different from being gestation, and if so, by how much.  And I further wonder how different, if at all different, the gestation of a 'cubi born of a cubi/being pairing is.  It could make counting months a very dicey proposition for determining the time that the act occured.

Come to that, I also wonder if there's a variaence in gestation periods for different races of beings (cat vs. dog vs. kangaroo vs. ferret...)

Quote from: Gildedtongue on April 15, 2007, 01:06:49 AMPersonally, my money's on "Cid isn't the father."

My money is on ``Cid is the father.''  Primarily because it's a better payoff if I win.

Quote from: Gildedtongue on April 15, 2007, 01:06:49 AMOn the other, other hand, page 77 had May ask "A Whatcubis?" which pretty much knocks out that whole notion, unless she's feigning innocent.  Though, she might have thought the incubus to be just a shapeshifter of the non-cubi sort...

I keep saying that Hennya never explained that  :shapeshifters , but no one seems to care.

Quote from: Aridas Soulfire on April 15, 2007, 01:17:42 AMI thought Ink said it WASN'T him. He said it wasn't him, and that that wasn't sarcasm.

What are you yelling at me for?  I'm agreeing with you.

Quote from: Reese Tora on April 15, 2007, 01:37:56 AMI wonder if 'cubi gestation is much different from being gestation, and if so, by how much.  And I further wonder how different, if at all different, the gestation of a 'cubi born of a cubi/being pairing is.  It could make counting months a very dicey proposition for determining the time that the act occured.

I was actually speculating about how long Abel had been gestating in Amber's brain.  ``Counting months?''  Get it?  Because we were discussing Abel's birth and I was discussing Abel's--It's funny (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_4wNRXD2wvE) (technically, I think that's supposed to be scary)!

and so why are you saying i'm yelling at you?

Quote from: Aridas Soulfire on April 15, 2007, 01:45:04 AMand so why are you saying i'm yelling at you?

You quoted me, and threw allcaps at someone--presumably the last person you quoted: me.  You didn't have to quote me; you could have just quoted DeedaeicMess.

Plus, it gives me a chance to say things like ``Can't you see you're tearing this family apart?''

Quote from: Kattuccino on April 14, 2007, 06:15:02 PM


Evidence may or may not have gone unnoticed: May has no black undertail. Cid and Abel both do.

That and Cid also has, or seems to have, Abel's 'Chest markings' as seen here (http://missmab.com/Comics/Abel_15.php) here (http://missmab.com/Comics/Abel_16.php) and here (http://missmab.com/Comics/Abel_17.php)

According to my dim-witted brain, Abel has the Tail and chest markings of Cid and the spots of May, therefore, they could both be Abel's and, like many have speculated, one or the other is covering themselves up.

i shall elaborate more later, i have arts to draw

Quote from: Stig Hemmer on April 14, 2007, 07:35:00 PM
Actually, Abel isn't Mays son at all. He was swapped for another kid at the hospital. Devin, to be exact.  Devins mother, a succubus, had an affair with Mays brother. Hence the family resemblance.  Somebody at the hospital saw that Mays son looked like Devins mother and vice versa thought they had been swapped by accident, and swapped them "back".

As we have seen, having your head-wings appear and alert you to your true nature is a traumatic affair and Devins poor mother became quite unhinged.  She killed Devins siblings and eventually killed herself.

It all makes sense now...  :ipod

I see what are you talking about I was thinking that in the Abel arc when Devin saw that family of May, Cid and Abel all happy there and he thought he should be in that family that theory is very plausable and I bet nobody went there I think Cid is the real father but only to Devin that's my opinion so there.  :P

Quote from: Xze-Xze on April 15, 2007, 02:14:03 AM

Quote from: Kattuccino on April 14, 2007, 06:15:02 PM


Evidence may or may not have gone unnoticed: May has no black undertail. Cid and Abel both do.

That and Cid also has, or seems to have, Abel's 'Chest markings' as seen here (http://missmab.com/Comics/Abel_15.php) here (http://missmab.com/Comics/Abel_16.php) and here (http://missmab.com/Comics/Abel_17.php)

According to my dim-witted brain, Abel has the Tail and chest markings of Cid and the spots of May, therefore, they could both be Abel's and, like many have speculated, one or the other is covering themselves up.

i shall elaborate more later, i have arts to draw

So does May. May's not just spotted, you know. If you stuck a nakey abel and may side by side, they'd pretty much match perfectly, as far as can be seen.

Quote from: Aridas Soulfire on April 15, 2007, 02:43:41 AMSo does May. May's not just spotted, you know. If you stuck a nakey abel and may side by side, they'd pretty much match perfectly, as far as can be seen.

Er...so you're saying that May is the incubus?

Quote from: superluser on April 15, 2007, 02:50:36 AM

Quote from: Aridas Soulfire on April 15, 2007, 02:43:41 AMSo does May. May's not just spotted, you know. If you stuck a nakey abel and may side by side, they'd pretty much match perfectly, as far as can be seen.

Er...so you're saying that May is the incubus?

I thought that cubi tended to take after thier being parents. :B
(makes sence, it would act as protective camoflage to appear to be the child of your mother; the more you look like your mother, the less of you there is to look like someone who isn't your father...)

Quote from: Aridas Soulfire on April 15, 2007, 02:43:41 AM

Quote from: Xze-Xze on April 15, 2007, 02:14:03 AM

Quote from: Kattuccino on April 14, 2007, 06:15:02 PM


Evidence may or may not have gone unnoticed: May has no black undertail. Cid and Abel both do.

That and Cid also has, or seems to have, Abel's 'Chest markings' as seen here (http://missmab.com/Comics/Abel_15.php) here (http://missmab.com/Comics/Abel_16.php) and here (http://missmab.com/Comics/Abel_17.php)

According to my dim-witted brain, Abel has the Tail and chest markings of Cid and the spots of May, therefore, they could both be Abel's and, like many have speculated, one or the other is covering themselves up.

i shall elaborate more later, i have arts to draw

So does May. May's not just spotted, you know. If you stuck a nakey abel and may side by side, they'd pretty much match perfectly, as far as can be seen.

Yet we have not yet seen a nakey May. plus, May has a -seemingly- straight line across her chest, whilst Cid has a 'dip' similar to Abel's.

*feels semi-smart*

Quote from: superluser on April 15, 2007, 02:50:36 AM

Quote from: Aridas Soulfire on April 15, 2007, 02:43:41 AMSo does May. May's not just spotted, you know. If you stuck a nakey abel and may side by side, they'd pretty much match perfectly, as far as can be seen.

Er...so you're saying that May is the incubus?

I believe that May is the true mother . If she is an Incubus has yet to be seen ...

Why WOULDN'T she be the mother? The whole thing is that abel and may look exactly alike, so whether he looks anything like Cid or not means nothing, as he's already pretty much the same as his mom.

Quote from: Aridas Soulfire on April 15, 2007, 03:14:31 AMWhy WOULDN'T she be the mother? The whole thing is that abel and may look exactly alike

Er-- as I failed to insinuate before, wouldn't that make May the father?

        Unless May isn't Female, could it be that i have not followed the pages properly in incubi genetics , and how the male can become pregnant . ( re: extra strips, where Merelitz says he's pregnant, Dan says 'how', and Arryanna makes the comment to Dan of, I can see how you flunked Cubi repoduction 101' ) May be we need a refresher on that ... ( Was it a Guest strip ? )

Quote from: kaskar on April 15, 2007, 03:29:07 AM

        Unless May isn't Female, could it be that i have not followed the pages properly in incubi genetics , and how the male can become pregnant . ( re: extra strips, where Merelitz says he's pregnant, Dan says 'how', and Arryanna makes the comment to Dan of, I can see how you flunked Cubi repoduction 101' ) May be we need a refresher on that ...

okay my brain just melted becouse of that :B

I still say amnesia. Don't ask me who, how, or why. I just do.
*definitely did not just read the past four pages of posting*

I remember that Abel's parents one said that his wings didn't made him and "angel".

So there could be the posibility that May had an encounter with a "creature" (non of Abel's parents finding out wich kind) and short after being "saved" or just "escaping" Abel was born, leading Sid to being suspicious about the exact details of it.

Quote from: kaskar on April 15, 2007, 03:06:03 AM
I believe that May is the true mother . If she is an Incubus has yet to be seen ...

I don't think you fully understand what 'Incubus' means.  It's the male.  The female is the Succubus.  In medieval mythology (as according to Scot, Sprenger etc) they are both the same creature and it shapeshifts to change gender.  DMFA 'Cubi have a set gender like we do.

Quote from: kaskar on April 15, 2007, 03:29:07 AM
Unless May isn't Female, could it be that i have not followed the pages properly in incubi genetics , and how the male can become pregnant.

Like Mr. Destania, you mean?   >:3

Amber has said that 'Cubi can't switch gender completely.  They can shapeshift into a different sex, and intuitively it would work well enough for seduction or some kind of preternatural fling in SAIA but F->M can't sire a child and M->F can't get pregnant.

(Actually that would probably be enough to do was medieval succubi do but DMFA 'Cubi wouldn't have any reason to do that thing because AFAIK they don't go around creating witches for Satan.)

         Whatever, if Arryanna can make Merelitz pregnant, then most things are now improbrable, but not impossible ...

Quote from: kaskar on April 15, 2007, 06:27:40 AM
Whatever, if Arryanna can make Merelitz pregnant, then most things are now improbrable, but not impossible

There was also a guest strip where it was proven that Pyroduck is really a banana (http://www.deviantart.com/deviation/37528121/).

kaskar, you're going to make amber's brain bleed if she reads your post.

Quote from: superluser on April 15, 2007, 03:17:45 AM

Quote from: Aridas Soulfire on April 15, 2007, 03:14:31 AMWhy WOULDN'T she be the mother? The whole thing is that abel and may look exactly alike

Er-- as I failed to insinuate before, wouldn't that make May the father?

WHY? Why do the looks have ANYTHING to do with whether a parent is mother or father?

Quote from: Aridas Soulfire on April 15, 2007, 03:14:31 AMWhy WOULDN'T she be the mother? The whole thing is that abel and may look exactly alike

I think what he was saying is that they wouldn't look exactly alike because they're different genders.

Who's saying anything about gender? We weren't talking about gender in that case at all.

Quote from: Aridas Soulfire on April 15, 2007, 06:55:59 AM
Who's saying anything about gender? We weren't talking about gender in that case at all.

"Wouldn't that make May the father" seems pretty clear to me that he was, even if you weren't.
Now I am only trying to point out what you seem to have missed/misunderstood from his post.  I may even be wrong myself, so if you wish to take umbrage with the content itself, I suggest you do so with the original author and not me.

Quote from: Tapewolf on April 15, 2007, 06:31:41 AM

Quote from: kaskar on April 15, 2007, 06:27:40 AM
Whatever, if Arryanna can make Merelitz pregnant, then most things are now improbrable, but not impossible

There was also a guest strip where it was proven that Pyroduck is really a banana (http://www.deviantart.com/deviation/37528121/).

Is this a case where we get onto the gender bender family ?

Quote from: Tapewolf on April 15, 2007, 05:54:51 AM(Actually that would probably be enough to do was medieval succubi do but DMFA 'Cubi wouldn't have any reason to do that thing because AFAIK they don't go around creating witches for Satan.)

Well, if I recall right, Medieval Xcubi are notorious sex changers.  At least one text describes that "A succubus would lay with a man, and collect his seed, upon which the next morning she would become an incubus, to go and lay with a woman and pass the seed from the first man to the woman.

In other words, a good excuse on why two people who have "never met each other" seem to be sharing a kid.

Famous Cubis:
Merlin, son of a druid high priestess and an incubus.

Quote from: kaskar on April 15, 2007, 08:57:15 AM

Quote from: Tapewolf on April 15, 2007, 06:31:41 AM

Quote from: kaskar on April 15, 2007, 06:27:40 AM
Whatever, if Arryanna can make Merelitz pregnant, then most things are now improbrable, but not impossible

There was also a guest strip where it was proven that Pyroduck is really a banana (http://www.deviantart.com/deviation/37528121/).

Is this a case where we get onto the gender bender family ?

Both of those were both gag and guest strips. The gender one had the artist saying she could keep to the established story or not....

I'm fine with debating on the forums its what there for but can we cut down on the "oh my god some character looks slightly different in this/that strip! It's a sign!" stuff ?

Guess, debate, predict by all means, but don't pretend to be a expert on fictional genetics and the like its just too dorky, like those star trek fans who started to learn Klingon from the episodes.

OK maybe I've alienated a large number of people now but that was going to happen anyway. That's based on the assumption anyone reads this of course.

One last thing , Good point on the medieval cubi by Gildedtonge by the way.

Enoughs of the speculations...Just wait darnit! Or i will feed you to the Loom! :<

Quote from: Tapewolf on April 15, 2007, 07:03:48 AM

Quote from: Aridas Soulfire on April 15, 2007, 06:55:59 AMWho's saying anything about gender? We weren't talking about gender in that case at all.

"Wouldn't that make May the father" seems pretty clear to me that he was, even if you weren't.

Sigh.  It wasn't very funny to begin with, and when you have to explain it, it becomes really stupid.  Sorry, everyone.  I appear to have been a bit loopy last night.

Quote from: Gildedtongue on April 15, 2007, 10:49:08 AMFamous Cubis:
Merlin, son of a druid high priestess and an incubus.

Well, Merlin's dad was an incubus, but Merlin was a Cambion.

QuoteThis message is dedicated to my parents, Ayn Rand and God.

Quote from: Gildedtongue on April 15, 2007, 10:49:08 AM
Well, if I recall right, Medieval Xcubi are notorious sex changers.  At least one text describes that "A succubus would lay with a man, and collect his seed, upon which the next morning she would become an incubus, to go and lay with a woman and pass the seed from the first man to the woman.

That's more detail than I intended to give, but yes, that's what I was referring to.  And as I say, a DMFA incubus (or succubus) could easily do that if they wanted to but it doesn't seem to be something that happens much in Amber's universe.

Quote from: MT Hazard on April 15, 2007, 11:06:23 AM
Both of those were both gag and guest strips. The gender on had the artist saying she could keep to the established story or not....

Perhaps I was being too subtle, but yes, that's the point I was trying to make.  Thanks for clarifying it.

Quote from: DeedaeicMess on April 15, 2007, 12:31:16 AM
However, I've come to realize one thing: Abel is a ****ed up individual in the present (that is, the main storyline),

<nod> I've noticed. There have been hints, of which I think this was one of the first big ones (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_609.php), that Abel-in-the-present is just very good at hiding his real emotions. Considering the downward spiral "most cubi get into at some point", maybe that's an actual course at SAIA...?

Oiyoiyoi.  Not this again.  It's seeming more and more likely that a cubi mimicked whats-his-name and conceived with May, resulting in Abel.  At least he's smart enough to realize that it is still his son, regardless of what his son looks like.

I smell a paternity suit

I think May must've had an affair early on, and Cid knew about it, but forgave his wife (to a point) and Abel was the result, chances are when Cid was trying to explain away the wings as 'an adventurer byproduct' it was more to comfort his wife in a manner of 'don't worry, no-body will find out you cheated on me, they'll think it's just an adventurer thing' I've a feeling May beat herself up on what she did, hence why she got so mad at the headmistress.. To herself May's probably 'I made one stupid, stupid mistake, that doesn't make me a whore' So anytime anyone mentions it, it touches a very tender wound. Hence, when Cid said "Father" in quotation marks he was actually bringing up something they both know and buried a long time ago....

Quote from: Bloodwish on April 15, 2007, 02:30:37 PM
I think May must've had an affair early on, and Cid knew about it, but forgave his wife (to a point) and Abel was the result, chances are when Cid was trying to explain away the wings as 'an adventurer byproduct' it was more to comfort his wife in a manner of 'don't worry, no-body will find out you cheated on me, they'll think it's just an adventurer thing' I've a feeling May beat herself up on what she did, hence why she got so mad at the headmistress.. To herself May's probably 'I made one stupid, stupid mistake, that doesn't make me a whore' So anytime anyone mentions it, it touches a very tender wound. Hence, when Cid said "Father" in quotation marks he was actually bringing up something they both know and buried a long time ago....

Interesting. It does have quite a bit of credibility to it.

Quote from: techmaster-glitch on April 15, 2007, 03:07:11 PM

Quote from: Bloodwish on April 15, 2007, 02:30:37 PM
I think May must've had an affair early on, and Cid knew about it, but forgave his wife (to a point) and Abel was the result

Interesting. It does have quite a bit of credibility to it.

The incubus-disguised-as-Cid theory covers Abel's detestation of shapeshifting as well, though.  This one doesn't.
It's not impossible that happens later, but IMHO it's deep-seated enough to have been family-related.

Quote from: Tapewolf on April 15, 2007, 04:30:07 PM
The incubus-disguised-as-Cid theory covers Abel's detestation of shapeshifting as well, though.  This one doesn't.
It's not impossible that happens later, but IMHO it's deep-seated enough to have been family-related.

Oh yeah, forgot about that. Still possible, but now less probable.

._. i think that rational ideas are a bad thing at these forums...

Yes, I've experienced what happens when trying to drive some reasons into these skulls.

indeed ._.

Quote from: Bloodwish on April 15, 2007, 02:30:37 PM
I think May must've had an affair early on, and Cid knew about it, but forgave his wife (to a point) and Abel was the result, chances are when Cid was trying to explain away the wings as 'an adventurer byproduct' it was more to comfort his wife in a manner of 'don't worry, no-body will find out you cheated on me, they'll think it's just an adventurer thing' I've a feeling May beat herself up on what she did, hence why she got so mad at the headmistress.. To herself May's probably 'I made one stupid, stupid mistake, that doesn't make me a whore' So anytime anyone mentions it, it touches a very tender wound. Hence, when Cid said "Father" in quotation marks he was actually bringing up something they both know and buried a long time ago....

Could be , but that still makes Cid the legal parent father in the eyes of the law ...

Legal in the eyes of the law, what about in Cid's eyes?

Yes Abel might be 'His son' but somewhere in his mind, could be that horrible thoguht that he's not his son.

Quote from: Bloodwish on April 16, 2007, 10:16:32 AM
Legal in the eyes of the law, what about in Cid's eyes?

Yes Abel might be 'His son' but somewhere in his mind, could be that horrible thoguht that he's not his son.

He dosent seem to me taking it well...   But still lets not throw out the fact that abel's mom bould still be the  cubi playing stupid to seem innocent. now im not sure how cubi reproduce because if i google'd that it would have... "unwanted" results. In my mind it seems possible that a succubis with sexual relations to a demon angel furrae or other such creature could produce a cubi baby/babies.

(I r gud spellar)<---- My way of saying "Sorry for spelling errors" (for some reason nothing happens when i click the spell check button)

Quote from: Rythak on April 16, 2007, 11:41:00 AM
im not sure how cubi reproduce because if i google'd that it would have... "unwanted" results.

There's also the slight snag that DMFA 'cubi are not the same as traditional medieval 'cubi.  I'm not sure how the latter reproduce, they're probably directly created by Satan or something weird like that.

But from the evidence so far (not least that Edward Ti'Fiona was able to get Destania pregnant, and Dan's reaction to Fa'Lina's "when two 'cubi love each other..." poster) I'd say it's pretty much a dead cert that DMFA 'Cubi reproduce in the usual manner.

Quote from: Tapewolf on April 16, 2007, 11:49:17 AM
But from the evidence so far (not least that Edward Ti'Fiona was able to get Destania pregnant, and Dan's reaction to Fa'Lina's "when two 'cubi love each other..." poster) I'd say it's pretty much a dead cert that DMFA 'Cubi reproduce in the usual manner.

More evidence of of this can be found in #540, Where abel explains to dan why there are beds in the rooms of the cubi school if cubi dont need to sleep.  ;)

Do we need to get Maury Povich to settle this?

A LOT OF CUBI'S ARE NOT SLEEPING AT THIS POINT.  >:3 But in any case I think May was fooled by a Incubus, I could go with this.

But I have another theory here its is one time May was engaged to a handsome Being all happy ready to marry him soon but that handsome being was a major dumb ass and screw things up between the both of them.

Then came Cid in the picture which May was enamored passionately with him and after she explained her situation with Cid, Cid thought why don't we elope? then the both young lovers went and eloped.

But May didn't tell Cid that she has lost her virginity to the handsome being and she got pregnant by him in which she didn't know until after their wedding night with her and Cid that everything has changed at that point.

So the both of them promised that when the child is born will take care of him unbeknowst that the handsome being is in fact a Incubus.

Hows that It's fits perfect with a story plot line of a spanish soap opera.

Quote from: ShiningShadow on April 16, 2007, 12:19:36 PM
A LOT OF CUBI'S ARE NOT SLEEPING AT THIS POINT.  >:3 But in any case I think May was fooled by a Incubus, I could go with this.

But I have another theory here its is one time May was engaged to a handsome Being all happy ready to marry him soon but that handsome being was a major dumb ass and screw things up between the both of them.

Then came Cid in the picture which May was enamored passionately with him and after she explained her situation with Cid, Cid thought why don't we elope? then the both young lovers went and eloped.

But May didn't tell Cid that she has lost her virginity to the handsome being and she got pregnant by him in which she didn't know until after their wedding night with her and Cid that everything has changed at that point.

So the both of them promised that when the child is born will take care of him unbeknowst that the handsome being is in fact a Incubus.

Hows that It's fits perfect with a story plot line of a spanish soap opera.

Wait... what?!

There is one  problem with these theories is that Cid knew about what ever form of infidelity May had, be it intnetional or not.

He would not be so shocked by Able being an Incubus. He would not have suddenly started referring to Able , somone he accepts as his son reguardless of a blood connection as, as a thing like he dose in  Page 80, and May would not be so shocked by his "Father" Remark in page 81

Also.. Why try to explain away the wings as a magical Aberration caused by Cid's adventuring, if they both know hes not the father?

I think that is far more likely that neither suspected able was not Cid's son. Hence May's reaction to the idea that Cid is not the father..

And at this point there is no reason to keep up the farce if May knows Cid is not the father.. there is just No Point..



I think what ShiningShadow is trying to say is that Cid is not May's first lover.   May had a lover before him, but she left him and married Cid after just becoming pregnant from her first lover.

It only just occured to me. It is a entertaining thought, But.

What if Cid Assumed May did sleep with someone else. But like a good number of angry people, their assessment is wrong.

It could be this 'you did not just go there' is because May might NOT actually have slept around or commited Adultry. And is instead just pissed that Cid could imply such a thing.

Just a thought.

Quote from: Manawolf on April 16, 2007, 12:19:06 PM
Do we need to get Maury Povich to settle this?

Why not just let Amber?
Chill Manawolf, I know it can be fustrating but don't let it get to you.
Afterall, people are entitled to their own opinion and you can't force your ideas onto them no matter how logical they seem.
For all you know you could be wrong then all this greaf will look pretty foolish.
I find most of it entertaning really, so sit back and enjoy the debate. 8)

Quote from: Ouai on April 16, 2007, 07:36:24 PM

Quote from: Manawolf on April 16, 2007, 12:19:06 PM
Do we need to get Maury Povich to settle this?

Why not just let Amber?
Chill Manawolf, I know it can be fustrating but don't let it get to you.
Afterall, people are entitled to their own opinion and you can't force your ideas onto them no matter how logical they seem.
For all you know you could be wrong then all this greaf will look pretty foolish.
I find most of it entertaning really, so sit back and enjoy the debate. 8)

I think Mana was just making a joke, really, since Maury Povich's talk show only ever has paternity test drama sessions.

Quote from: Azraelle on April 16, 2007, 07:47:47 PM

Quote from: Ouai on April 16, 2007, 07:36:24 PM

Quote from: Manawolf on April 16, 2007, 12:19:06 PM
Do we need to get Maury Povich to settle this?

Why not just let Amber?
Chill Manawolf, I know it can be fustrating but don't let it get to you.
Afterall, people are entitled to their own opinion and you can't force your ideas onto them no matter how logical they seem.
For all you know you could be wrong then all this greaf will look pretty foolish.
I find most of it entertaning really, so sit back and enjoy the debate. 8)

I think Mana was just making a joke, really, since Maury Povich's talk show only ever has paternity test drama sessions.

When it comes to nine month year old Jessica....Mana, You are not the father!

Quote from: Drathorin on April 16, 2007, 05:32:05 PM
It only just occured to me. It is a entertaining thought, But.

What if Cid Assumed May did sleep with someone else. But like a good number of angry people, their assessment is wrong.

It could be this 'you did not just go there' is because May might NOT actually have slept around or commited Adultry. And is instead just pissed that Cid could imply such a thing.

Just a thought.

It is more likely that May was trick into Adultery by an incubus who looking like Cid. Cid knows/guesses that he was not home after he did the math and May was/seem to be pregnant a month or two before he return from an adventure.  Cid has never had any proof of his fears until now.  And May has had no idea what or if it is possible for a Incubus to trick her, and she has fought gossip and rumours from everyone for years.  Only to have Cid throw it in her face again after all these years, now that Abel has shown to be not HIS son.  Cid doesn't know or is not even sure that May don't know she lover was a incubus....

PBH

If is that true that May committed adultry but there is no proof of that affair.  That's why May reacted to that kindergarder teacher in that manner if Cid is wrong on this accusation then so be it.

I think cooler heads should prevail and have May explain things to Cid what happened and such and maybe just maybe get to the bottom of it.

Quote from: ShiningShadow on April 16, 2007, 09:13:28 PMIf is that true that May committed adultry but there is no proof of that affair.

Headwings are a good start.

Also:

Quote from: Rythak on April 16, 2007, 11:41:00 AM(I r gud spellar)<---- My way of saying "Sorry for spelling errors" (for some reason nothing happens when i click the spell check button)

Get Firefox.  It has a built-in spellcheck that checks text as you type it.

the spell check button makes a window pop up. make sure you don't have popups blocked for this site or something.

           Some one seems to have forgot that Abel and Henyya are watching the war of words, and what is to stop Abel from really freaking out ?

He has to understand things are what not they appear they are. 
Maybe that's why Abel is this person we all known because of many things that has happened to him I'm not very surprised that he's not in the corner going crazy.

         Who ever said in the plot that Abel was sane ?

Quote from: kaskar on April 17, 2007, 09:06:54 AM

         Who ever said in the plot that Abel was sane ?

NEVER!  :mwaha

Dial 1800-THERAPIST  >:3

Quote from: Ouai on April 17, 2007, 09:48:28 AM

Quote from: kaskar on April 17, 2007, 09:06:54 AM

         Who ever said in the plot that Abel was sane ?

NEVER!  :mwaha

Dial 1800-THERAPIST  >:3

Oh yes i forgot its DMFA were talking about here. Sorry my bad.

Quote from: Ouai on April 17, 2007, 09:48:28 AM

Quote from: kaskar on April 17, 2007, 09:06:54 AM

         Who ever said in the plot that Abel was sane ?

NEVER!  :mwaha

Dial 1800-THERAPIST  >:3

And they will get Lorendas' Doctor.....
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PBH

I bet the therapist will have a score card when these guys come in for a session and a abacus to boot. >:3

          As was said before, it may just be a case of adultary, years ago . However, it seems that May did not realise that she may have slept with one of the students from SAIA ...

Why is it a student of SAIA all of a sudden?

Quote from: Aridas Soulfire on April 18, 2007, 12:08:19 AM
Why is it a student of SAIA all of a sudden?

Isn't that the best place for a Succibus or Incubus to come from ?

I thought people were busy.. y'know.. learning, not wandering around god knows how far from the academy to impregnate people.

.... Spring Break.

You just had to say it D:

          Tell that to Destina, and also that bit about Interactive Mind-Surfing ?

Quote from: Aridas Soulfire on April 18, 2007, 12:26:26 AMI thought people were busy.. y'know.. learning, not wandering around god knows how far from the academy to impregnate people.

Field trip?

Quote from: kaskar on April 18, 2007, 01:00:22 AM

          Tell that to Destina, and also that bit about Interactive Mind-Surfing ?

As far as I knew, she didn't go AWOL.

           Is that then listed as an unexpected, and extended working holiday at Lost Lake?

Quote from: kaskar on April 18, 2007, 02:46:29 AMIs that then listed as an unexpected, and extended working holiday at Lost Lake?

Yeah, it's gotta be ``Absent, with more leave than you were supposed to have.''  Because, you know, that's totally different.

                 I noticed that the Kria + Lorenda page had a point where kria's stone could be the one with unexpected side effects, and what are these effects ?

I would suggest you go ask that question in the thread that is about it, rather than in the thread about Abel's story.

Speculation at this point is silly, since we'll be getting the answer tomorrow, anyway.  Just my two pence worth.

I'm going to go with the (previously suggested) theory that May intentionally cheated on Cid, who never found out(though he may have suspected it), but didn't realize it was a cubi.  Her violent behavior strikes me as very reminiscent of someone who is in denial to hide their own past.(I do have first-person experience at this, and I will do what I can to keep anyone from finding out)

I would also like to mention that as much as we all want Cid and May to be a happy, non-adulterous couple, I honestly don't believe in those anymore, after being burned one too many times.(not my own relationships.  I haven't had a girlfriend in 3 years.)

I still think May got tricked by a cubi pretending to be Cid. It makes the most sence to me but i dont know why....











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         Is Cid a Cubi, or May a Cubi, or either one tricked by a Cubi. We will see soon ...

Quote from: kaskar on April 21, 2007, 12:17:45 AM
         Is Cid a Cubi, or May a Cubi, or either one tricked by a Cubi. We will see soon ...

Why would Cid NEED tricking? Unless there was some freaky cross-insemination where May gave birth to a child she didn't even mother...

Quote from: Jigsaw Forte on April 21, 2007, 12:41:01 AMWhy would Cid NEED tricking? Unless there was some freaky cross-insemination where May gave birth to a child she didn't even mother...

That's actually given as the way that `cubi reproduced in this world.  A succubus would seduce a man, and then transform into an incubus and rape (hey, I don't make medieval stereotypes, just report them) a woman.  The offspring would not be human because...well, you know...

But the DMFA `cubi don't do that.

Yeah. They're completely different.