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Title: Cubi dislike Dragons Why?
Post by: Demont on September 27, 2006, 03:46:09 AM
I was wondering why Abel said  Aaryanna would never let a dragon near Dan?
Title: Re: Cubis dislike Dragons Why?
Post by: Zedd on September 27, 2006, 03:50:50 AM
I dont know...Its still unknown
Title: Re: Cubis dislike Dragons Why?
Post by: Demont on September 27, 2006, 03:54:31 AM
Maybe Amber knows.  :mowdan
Title: Re: Cubi dislike Dragons - Why?
Post by: Tapewolf on September 27, 2006, 04:02:26 AM
Quote from: Demont on September 27, 2006, 03:54:31 AM
Maybe Amber knows.  :mowdan

If she doesn't, something really weird is going on.

P.S. - 'cubi' is both singular and plural - "cubis" is an abomination.  Can you change the title, please :P

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Cheers!
Title: Re: Cubis dislike Dragons Why?
Post by: King Of Hearts on September 27, 2006, 04:14:30 AM
It involves reaganomics, corn, a turkey, and a lot of masking tape...

But no, we still have to see the real reason in canon.
Title: Re: Cubis dislike Dragons Why?
Post by: Aridas on September 27, 2006, 04:59:37 AM
Logically wouldn't cubus be the singular if cubi was the plural? after all... calling something a cubi is still way off gramatically (and I think it was only because everyone else was doing it anyway that it became law >.>)
Title: Re: Cubis dislike Dragons Why?
Post by: Slavkei on September 27, 2006, 05:07:37 AM
Well... you didn't hear this from me.... but a certain person told me that it's because dragons and cubi were originally the same species, the 'cubi race branching off from the dragons. This was caused by a combination of a magical disaster that resulted in the permanent and irreversible alteration of a small family of dragons, and some quick thinking by the fatally-altered dragons that resulted in giving them a... mostly... stable form. This was the ACTUAL birth of the 'cubi' race, who began to grow and flourish, a perversion of the draconic line. There was a major war where the dragons tried to eradicate the 'freaks', which resulted in heavy casualties on both sides. The lingering hatreds still continue to this day. I suspect Demo 101 will be updated with this when it appears in canon. Which will probably happen in about 10 years when Amber finishes the next 3 arcs or so.
Title: Re: Cubis dislike Dragons Why?
Post by: Tapewolf on September 27, 2006, 05:20:14 AM
Quote from: Slavkei on September 27, 2006, 05:07:37 AM
Well... you didn't hear this from me.... but a certain person told me that it's because dragons and cubi were originally the same species, the 'cubi race branching off from the dragons.

Curious.  What about Angels and Demons, though?  It seems clear that 'cubi are some weird hybrid since they all appeared around the same time, and they have exactly twice the lifespan of Angels or Demons alone.

I can buy that as the creation of the Angel and Demon race - 'cubi are classed as Demons anyway.  That all follows logically.
Title: Re: Cubis dislike Dragons Why?
Post by: Zedd on September 27, 2006, 06:04:43 AM
If Zedd or Jak or any cubi came part of Dragons....Then oh my word...
Title: Re: Cubis dislike Dragons Why?
Post by: Reese Tora on September 27, 2006, 09:57:02 AM
Quote from: Aridas Soulfire on September 27, 2006, 04:59:37 AM
Logically wouldn't cubus be the singular if cubi was the plural? after all... calling something a cubi is still way off gramatically (and I think it was only because everyone else was doing it anyway that it became law >.>)

Cubi is short for incubi and succubi.

The singular of which is incubus and succubus.
Title: Re: Cubis dislike Dragons Why?
Post by: Tapewolf on September 27, 2006, 10:43:17 AM
Quote from: Reese Tora on September 27, 2006, 09:57:02 AM
Cubi is short for incubi and succubi.
The singular of which is incubus and succubus.

But Amber has never, ever used the word 'cubus'.  Regardless of the origin of the word 'cubi', now it is like 'sheep' or 'aircraft' - the same word for single or plural.

This one is off the top of my head.. I can post all of them if you insist :P
http://missmab.com/Comics/Vol_617.php
Title: Re: Cubis dislike Dragons Why?
Post by: Jim Halisstrad on September 27, 2006, 11:59:06 AM
QuoteI was wondering why Abel said  Aaryanna would never let a dragon near Dan?


Two words:  Vore Parties.  :superlick
Title: Re: Cubis dislike Dragons Why?
Post by: ShiningShadow on September 27, 2006, 12:06:35 PM
Huh??????? :erk I don't get it...............
Title: Re: Cubi dislike Dragons Why?
Post by: Demont on September 27, 2006, 12:10:17 PM
 :mowsmile thanks for the info guys and girls .
Title: Re: Cubis dislike Dragons Why?
Post by: Tapewolf on September 27, 2006, 12:11:06 PM
Quote from: ShiningShadow on September 27, 2006, 12:06:35 PM
Huh??????? :erk I don't get it...............
He'd be eaten.

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I'm assuming you're referring to the previous comment - using the nice Quote button makes it easier to tell  >:3
Title: Re: Cubis dislike Dragons Why?
Post by: ShiningShadow on September 27, 2006, 12:13:48 PM
Quote from: Tapewolf on September 27, 2006, 12:11:06 PM
Quote from: ShiningShadow on September 27, 2006, 12:06:35 PM
Huh??????? :erk I don't get it...............
He'd be eaten.

**EDIT**
I'm assuming you're referring to the previous comment - using the nice Quote button makes it easier to tell  >:3


I was referring the vore parties TW my fault I wasn't clear on that. Do you know the answer to that on vore parties.................
Title: Re: Cubi dislike Dragons Why?
Post by: llearch n'n'daCorna on September 27, 2006, 12:17:26 PM
Shining, "vore" is basically large dragons eating smaller critters.

.. there's the other side of it, of the smaller critters getting off on it, but we'll just sortof paper over that and leave it for another time, ok?
Title: Re: Cubi dislike Dragons Why?
Post by: Aridas on September 27, 2006, 02:16:12 PM
Quote from: Tapewolf on September 27, 2006, 10:43:17 AM
Quote from: Reese Tora on September 27, 2006, 09:57:02 AM
Cubi is short for incubi and succubi.
The singular of which is incubus and succubus.

But Amber has never, ever used the word 'cubus'. Regardless of the origin of the word 'cubi', now it is like 'sheep' or 'aircraft' - the same word for single or plural.

This one is off the top of my head.. I can post all of them if you insist :P
http://missmab.com/Comics/Vol_617.php

There's a difference. Those words start out singular and just happen to be using a rule that says they are their own plurals. But Cubi would be a plural coming from an existing singular, so it makes it all weird and un-grammary to people.
Title: Re: Cubi dislike Dragons Why?
Post by: LigerJet on September 27, 2006, 03:18:15 PM
Why are we discussing the grammar of the word "cubi"?  It's Amber's comic, she can call 'em whatever she wants!  :mowdan
Title: Re: Cubi dislike Dragons Why?
Post by: Tapewolf on September 27, 2006, 03:27:19 PM
Quote from: LigerJet on September 27, 2006, 03:18:15 PM
Why are we discussing the grammar of the word "cubi"?  It's Amber's comic, she can call 'em whatever she wants!  :mowdan

It was the thread title - Demont wrote "Cubis dislike Dragons" and it was kind of bugging me :P
Title: Re: Cubi dislike Dragons Why?
Post by: Gareeku on September 27, 2006, 03:37:07 PM
Um, it's only a word, guys. Get over it.  :B
Title: Re: Cubi dislike Dragons Why?
Post by: bill on September 27, 2006, 03:38:36 PM
Quote from: Tapewolf on September 27, 2006, 03:27:19 PM
Quote from: LigerJet on September 27, 2006, 03:18:15 PM
Why are we discussing the grammar of the word "cubi"?  It's Amber's comic, she can call 'em whatever she wants!  :mowdan

It was the thread title - Demont wrote "Cubis dislike Dragons" and it was kind of bugging me :P
And the capitilization of "Dragons" and "Why" didnt.  And the lack of a comma after "Dragons" didn't either.  :P
Title: Re: Cubi dislike Dragons Why?
Post by: llearch n'n'daCorna on September 27, 2006, 04:03:16 PM
Capitalisation of "Dragons" is acceptable, nay, required, since it is, after all, in this case, a proper noun, rather than a generic animal.

It should have had the full stop after it, though... :-)
Title: Re: Cubis dislike Dragons Why?
Post by: Alondro on September 27, 2006, 04:42:46 PM
Quote from: Slavkei on September 27, 2006, 05:07:37 AM
Well... you didn't hear this from me.... but a certain person told me that it's because dragons and cubi were originally the same species, the 'cubi race branching off from the dragons. This was caused by a combination of a magical disaster that resulted in the permanent and irreversible alteration of a small family of dragons, and some quick thinking by the fatally-altered dragons that resulted in giving them a... mostly... stable form. This was the ACTUAL birth of the 'cubi' race, who began to grow and flourish, a perversion of the draconic line. There was a major war where the dragons tried to eradicate the 'freaks', which resulted in heavy casualties on both sides. The lingering hatreds still continue to this day. I suspect Demo 101 will be updated with this when it appears in canon. Which will probably happen in about 10 years when Amber finishes the next 3 arcs or so.

*Charles nods*  It's kinda like how the Bount were created in "Bleach" from the explosion of a tank where copied shinigami souls were being experimented on to try and develop immortality.  I suspect Charline in this case.

*Charline grrs!*  Don't you try to pin it on me!  You and Jyrras are scientists who mix magic and tech all the time!   If anyone is responsible, it'd be one of you! 

*Charles erfs*  Impossible!  That happened millenia ago!

*Charline crosses her arms*  Time travel...

*Charles opens his mouth to say something in retort... but is stymied*  Crap.. she caught me with that cliche, but impossible to refute, situation.   :mowignore
Title: Re: Cubi dislike Dragons Why?
Post by: Kenji on September 27, 2006, 05:49:01 PM
All this talk of cubi and dragons, and yet not a single belmont or warrior in sight.... What's the world coming to? :<
Title: Re: Cubi dislike Dragons Why?
Post by: Caswin on September 27, 2006, 05:55:52 PM
Quote from: Aridas Soulfire on September 27, 2006, 04:59:37 AM
Logically wouldn't cubus be the singular if cubi was the plural?
That's what I always thought, too.  I'd as soon go with "cubus" until Amber says otherwise.
Quote from: FireKatKid on September 27, 2006, 05:49:01 PM
All this talk of cubi and dragons, and yet not a single belmont or warrior in sight.... What's the world coming to? :<
Show me a vampire and we'll talk.  ...ha. :P
Title: Re: Cubi dislike Dragons Why?
Post by: Kenji on September 27, 2006, 05:58:47 PM
Quote from: Caswin on September 27, 2006, 05:55:52 PM
Quote from: Aridas Soulfire on September 27, 2006, 04:59:37 AM
Logically wouldn't cubus be the singular if cubi was the plural?
That's what I always thought, too.  I'd as soon go with "cubus" until Amber says otherwise.
Quote from: FireKatKid on September 27, 2006, 05:49:01 PM
All this talk of cubi and dragons, and yet not a single belmont or warrior in sight.... What's the world coming to? :<
Show me a vampire and we'll talk.  ...ha. :P

If I recall correctly, quite a few succubi were felled alongside those vampires. :3
Title: Re: Cubi dislike Dragons Why?
Post by: Zedd on September 27, 2006, 06:27:09 PM
*pounces and leaps on Llearch and nibbles his boxy neck*
Title: Re: Cubi dislike Dragons Why?
Post by: llearch n'n'daCorna on September 27, 2006, 06:30:32 PM
Hmm.

I do wish you'd brush your teeth, and perhaps use a little mouthwash, before attempting that. Maybe next time?
Title: Re: Cubi dislike Dragons Why?
Post by: Zedd on September 27, 2006, 06:32:56 PM
Anyone got any lime tictacs that havent been in Ambers grasp or in their couch cause of her? Cause I could use a few
Title: Re: Cubi dislike Dragons Why?
Post by: bill on September 27, 2006, 06:34:02 PM
How to instantly increasse your popularity at school: Bring Tic-Tacs.
Title: Re: Cubi dislike Dragons Why?
Post by: Tapewolf on September 27, 2006, 06:52:30 PM
Quote from: Caswin on September 27, 2006, 05:55:52 PM
Quote from: Aridas Soulfire on September 27, 2006, 04:59:37 AM
Logically wouldn't cubus be the singular if cubi was the plural?
That's what I always thought, too.  I'd as soon go with "cubus" until Amber says otherwise.

How about this for proof?  In the entire strip there is not one instance of the word 'cubus' that I can find.  However the word 'cubi' is used to mean a singular incubus or succubus in the following strips:

392 (first such usage - the contraction itself was introduced in 385)
411, 420, 488, 491, 493, 504, 522, 524, 528, 562, 569, 573, 577, 582, 583, 603, 617 and 651.

In addition the following strips use it in an ambiguous manner: 501, 507 and 511

I'd say that's pretty convincing, and it seems equally certain that I have too much time on my hands :P

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Quote from: Gareeku on September 27, 2006, 03:37:07 PM
Um, it's only a word, guys. Get over it.  :B

If there is one thing I cannot stand, it is inconsistency in language, therefore I get very picky about it..
Title: Re: Cubi dislike Dragons Why?
Post by: llearch n'n'daCorna on September 27, 2006, 07:07:49 PM
Quote from: Tapewolf on September 27, 2006, 06:52:30 PM
I'd say that's pretty convincing, and it seems equally certain that I have too much time on my hands :P

What, grep didn't provide that for you in a matter of seconds? :-)
Title: Re: Cubi dislike Dragons Why?
Post by: Tapewolf on September 27, 2006, 07:12:50 PM
Quote from: llearch n'n'daCorna on September 27, 2006, 07:07:49 PM
Quote from: Tapewolf on September 27, 2006, 06:52:30 PM
I'd say that's pretty convincing, and it seems equally certain that I have too much time on my hands :P

What, grep didn't provide that for you in a matter of seconds? :-)

I figured it was more fun to read them with ZGV :P
Title: Re: Cubi dislike Dragons Why?
Post by: Zedd on September 27, 2006, 07:24:05 PM
I know what would stop this feud...I could make Bette Midler come over and sing!
Title: Re: Cubi dislike Dragons Why?
Post by: llearch n'n'daCorna on September 27, 2006, 07:28:03 PM
Feud? You're bringing feud? Yum....

what've you got?
Title: Re: Cubi dislike Dragons Why?
Post by: Aridas on September 27, 2006, 07:32:19 PM
Quote from: Tapewolf on September 27, 2006, 06:52:30 PM
Quote from: Caswin on September 27, 2006, 05:55:52 PM
Quote from: Aridas Soulfire on September 27, 2006, 04:59:37 AM
Logically wouldn't cubus be the singular if cubi was the plural?
That's what I always thought, too.  I'd as soon go with "cubus" until Amber says otherwise.

How about this for proof?  In the entire strip there is not one instance of the word 'cubus' that I can find.  However the word 'cubi' is used to mean a singular incubus or succubus in the following strips:

392 (first such usage - the contraction itself was introduced in 385)
411, 420, 488, 491, 493, 504, 522, 524, 528, 562, 569, 573, 577, 582, 583, 603, 617 and 651.

In addition the following strips use it in an ambiguous manner: 501, 507 and 511

I'd say that's pretty convincing, and it seems equally certain that I have too much time on my hands :P

Yeahyeahyeah. But, if my memory serves, I think Amber only started using the term cubi like that after the forum picked it up. I'm not sure, but it sounds about right when I'm thinking about it.
Title: Re: Cubi dislike Dragons Why?
Post by: Zedd on September 27, 2006, 07:33:09 PM
I brought banana cream pie
Title: Re: Cubi dislike Dragons Why?
Post by: Demont on September 27, 2006, 10:14:49 PM
 :erk What did I start?
Title: Re: Cubi dislike Dragons Why?
Post by: Aridas on September 27, 2006, 10:19:29 PM
The beginning of the end...
Title: Re: Cubi dislike Dragons Why?
Post by: komissarmakarov on September 28, 2006, 12:02:38 AM
Quote from: llearch n'n'daCorna on September 27, 2006, 07:28:03 PM
Feud? You're bringing feud?

I bring Freud:

"Zat Box-Avatar auf yours- vot does it mean? How do you feel about your Muzzer?"
Title: Re: Cubi dislike Dragons Why?
Post by: Dragonbird on September 28, 2006, 03:40:34 AM
Actually, I believe that you cannot use the term, "Cubi" without it being plural. As it refers to both Incubi and Succubi at the same time. To speak in the singular, you'd have to single out one or the other.

The lack of variation of words in the english language for the Cubi race likely stems from the lack of commonality in the everyday life.
Title: Re: Cubi dislike Dragons Why?
Post by: Tapewolf on September 28, 2006, 04:00:17 AM
Quote from: Dragonbird on September 28, 2006, 03:40:34 AM
Actually, I believe that you cannot use the term, "Cubi" without it being plural. As it refers to both Incubi and Succubi at the same time. To speak in the singular, you'd have to single out one or the other.

As I mentioned, Amber doesn't do that, but perhaps we can agree to disagree on that.   >:3

But we are agreed that "cubis" as a plural is dead wrong, yar?
Title: Re: Cubi dislike Dragons Why?
Post by: Dragonbird on September 28, 2006, 04:12:05 AM
Oh without a doubt. Completely inncorrect spelling there.
As for my argument, it only functions in the nasty place that is known as "Real Life".

Truly, if we exist only as Dan-Mabians then yes, Amber's use of Cubi for the singular would be correct. It all depends on your orientation.

You must pardon me, I am still acclimatizing to DMFA Forum consciousness.
Title: Re: Cubi dislike Dragons Why?
Post by: llearch n'n'daCorna on September 28, 2006, 06:39:02 AM
Quote from: Komissar Makarov on September 28, 2006, 12:02:38 AM
I bring Freud:

"Zat Box-Avatar auf yours- vot does it mean? How do you feel about your Muzzer?"

It means "I is a box".
I feel I should not talk to you until you provide a couch. :-P
Title: Re: Cubi dislike Dragons Why?
Post by: ITOS on September 28, 2006, 10:12:49 AM
Abel said that Aary would never let a dragon get near Dan. Would she let dragons get near other cubis (with the exception of Abel) ?
Title: Re: Cubi dislike Dragons Why?
Post by: Kenji on September 28, 2006, 10:36:43 AM
Quote from: ITOS on September 28, 2006, 10:12:49 AM
Abel said that Aary would never let a dragon get near Dan. Would she let dragons get near other cubis (with the exception of Abel) ?

If there really is bad blood between races, that would probably be because Dan is the son of Aary's best friend. Whereas Abel is quite a prick in the bum, in her eyes. :3 She'd probably toss a Dragon at him.  :laugh
Title: Re: Cubi dislike Dragons Why?
Post by: Demont on September 28, 2006, 11:09:32 AM
I can see that happening :laugh
Title: Re: Cubi dislike Dragons Why?
Post by: GabrielsThoughts on September 28, 2006, 11:46:58 AM
scales, the Cubi are jelous because thay can't replicate scales...the only exception being reptile Cubi.
Title: Re: Cubi dislike Dragons Why?
Post by: ShiningShadow on September 28, 2006, 12:04:57 PM
Quote from: Zedd on September 27, 2006, 07:33:09 PM
I brought banana cream pie

I got beef shortribs, mashed potatoes smothered in gravy, with lemon meringe pie as dessert mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.......
Title: Re: Cubi dislike Dragons Why?
Post by: ShiningShadow on September 28, 2006, 12:09:25 PM
Also Abel is going to that place which there's a song to it from AC/DC Highway to Hell. If Abel continues to act this way then this sitiuation will be nothing more that a knock out dragg out fight. HMMMMMMMMMMMMM I wonder if they go for stardard 6 oz boxing gloves or a Steel Cage Match hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm Abel hit's Pyro with a steel chair *THUD!* ohhhhhh Pyro went down like a sack of potatoes...............
Title: Re: Cubi dislike Dragons Why?
Post by: Zedd on September 28, 2006, 05:19:23 PM
I used to watch wresleing alot but it got super boring
Title: Re: Cubi dislike Dragons Why?
Post by: Zedd on September 28, 2006, 05:20:27 PM
I used to watch wrestling alot but it got super boring
Title: Re: Cubi dislike Dragons Why?
Post by: llearch n'n'daCorna on September 28, 2006, 05:21:16 PM
You said that already. :-)
Title: Re: Cubi dislike Dragons Why?
Post by: Zedd on September 28, 2006, 05:22:08 PM
Does the box need a brushing? Your tail is all messy
Title: Re: Cubi dislike Dragons Why?
Post by: Aridas on September 28, 2006, 05:39:58 PM
Quote from: Zedd on September 28, 2006, 05:22:08 PM
Does the box need a brushing? Your tail is all messy
What's with the fad of people posting short, meaningless things lately?
Title: Re: Cubi dislike Dragons Why?
Post by: Zedd on September 28, 2006, 05:47:05 PM
I dont know Aridas...My throat too hurts like ambers...And she will let us know why the reason of cubi and dragons thing soon enough as I say
Title: Re: Cubi dislike Dragons Why?
Post by: Boog on September 28, 2006, 08:26:15 PM
My guess as to the cubi and dragons thing? It's all Dakata's fault.
Title: Re: Cubi dislike Dragons Why?
Post by: Dakata on September 28, 2006, 08:48:54 PM
Quote from: Boogeyman on September 28, 2006, 08:26:15 PM
My guess as to the cubi and dragons thing? It's all Dakata's fault.
Hey! D: How's it -my- fault?
Title: Re: Cubi dislike Dragons Why?
Post by: Zedd on September 28, 2006, 08:49:40 PM
Cause your too cute to blame  :P
Title: Re: Cubi dislike Dragons Why?
Post by: Boog on September 28, 2006, 09:09:10 PM
Quote from: Zedd on September 28, 2006, 08:49:40 PM
Cause your too cute to blame  :P
No she isn't. I'll happily blame her right now. She pissed off some cubi and that sort of lifespan gives you quite some time to work up a good grudge.
Title: Re: Cubi dislike Dragons Why?
Post by: Dakata on September 28, 2006, 09:10:43 PM
Quote from: Boogeyman on September 28, 2006, 09:09:10 PM
Quote from: Zedd on September 28, 2006, 08:49:40 PM
Cause your too cute to blame  :P
No she isn't. I'll happily blame her right now. She pissed off some cubi and that sort of lifespan gives you quite some time to work up a good grudge.
PROVE I pissed off some cubi. >:3
Title: Re: Cubi dislike Dragons Why?
Post by: Zedd on September 28, 2006, 09:19:38 PM
Only thig we have  to hold back that hooman Charles
Title: Re: Cubi dislike Dragons Why?
Post by: ShiningShadow on September 29, 2006, 07:47:58 AM
Now, Now be nice or we settle this in the boxing ring *YO Adrian in sylvester stallone voice*...........................
Title: Re: Cubi dislike Dragons Why?
Post by: Gabi on October 01, 2006, 08:28:38 AM
Does this have anything to do with Dan having been killed by a dragon that one time?

http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_175.php
Title: Re: Cubi dislike Dragons Why?
Post by: bill on October 01, 2006, 08:30:32 AM
Well, according to http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_189.php , that never happened. Besides, he so had it coming.
Title: Re: Cubi dislike Dragons Why?
Post by: ShiningShadow on October 01, 2006, 09:23:13 PM
But think of this If Dan has this hatred of dragons is it because of his father the adventurer maybe taught him that all dragons are evil and such. It could be how he hates Dragons for this such of a reason If i'm wrong on this then I'm wrong. But I think it's something that is taught from a family member who had bad experiences with the Dragon clan.........................
Title: Re: Cubi dislike Dragons Why?
Post by: Boog on October 01, 2006, 09:27:50 PM
I still say it's just what happens when you have two species that think they're each the greatest thing since vertebrates. Could just be instinctive though, like how bears and dogs always make a big fuss when they smell each other.
Title: Re: Cubi dislike Dragons Why?
Post by: ShiningShadow on October 01, 2006, 09:35:02 PM
Quote from: Boogeyman on October 01, 2006, 09:27:50 PM
I still say it's just what happens when you have two species that think they're each the greatest thing since vertebrates. Could just be instinctive though, like how bears and dogs always make a big fuss when they smell each other.

Maybe your right on the instinctive here. But I think the adventurer part in him has to do with the hatred with dragons. Who knows what thought are runing through Dan's mind. We will never know until it will come out in a story by Amber. Till then we will wait and see.
Title: Re: Cubi dislike Dragons Why?
Post by: Aridas on October 01, 2006, 09:53:34 PM
Why are we talking about Dan? Dan has no problem with dragons other than the fact he owed one money.
Title: Re: Cubi dislike Dragons Why?
Post by: skwerly on October 01, 2006, 11:38:20 PM
@Aridas: Yes he does. (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_174.php)  And while his Death by Dragon (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_175.php) a few panels later was negated (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_189.php) as BillBuckner said, Dan's bias existed before the arc.  Then again, that was years ago.  He may have mellowed since then, especially now that he thinks he's a racist (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_651.php).

@Shadow: I don't think daddy taught him how to hate dragons. C'mon, he married a cubi who threatened to destroy him (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_298.php), which suggests he knows that not every member of an "evil race" is actually evil.  Besides, adventuring's a job, not an instinct.
Title: Re: Cubi dislike Dragons Why?
Post by: Aridas on October 02, 2006, 12:38:34 AM
That one doesn't count. He didn't say that in the normal continuity and he doesn't REALLY hate them. Just pip. JUST PIP. And his fellow grring huggling kind. Dan seems really ok with dragons that don't want him dead or as a snack. :<
Title: Re: Cubi dislike Dragons Why?
Post by: skwerly on October 02, 2006, 09:19:20 AM
'course it counts.  He hated dragons before the arc.  Continuity got reset to a point before his speech, but the feelings are still there.  We're just not supposed to know about it.

Granted he seems to have no problems with some dragons, but he still believes he hates them all, not just Pip.
Title: Re: Cubi dislike Dragons Why?
Post by: Aridas on October 02, 2006, 10:55:44 AM
Are you Dan? Nope. Dan has only admitted within continuity to hating cubi. So far other than that he only openly hates drakes.
Title: Re: Cubi dislike Dragons Why?
Post by: ITOS on October 02, 2006, 10:56:24 AM
Quote from: AbelIt's just someone has to look out for Dan's wellbeing.

So they protect their young ones? What are they afraid of? Bad influence? That Dan might start to like dragons?

Sorry if this has been raised before...
Title: Re: Cubi dislike Dragons Why?
Post by: ShiningShadow on October 03, 2006, 07:47:36 AM
Quote from: skwerly on October 02, 2006, 09:19:20 AM
'course it counts.  He hated dragons before the arc.  Continuity got reset to a point before his speech, but the feelings are still there.  We're just not supposed to know about it.

Granted he seems to have no problems with some dragons, but he still believes he hates them all, not just Pip.

I think you are right on this one. Dan is saying this way before when Pyro Revealed himself as a Dragon> But one thing that bother's me what makes Dan think this way isn't he the kind of person will help out anybody no matter who they are. Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm this pondering of the question will haunt us all if we don't get a straight answer on this.................
Title: Re: Cubi dislike Dragons Why?
Post by: Alondro on October 03, 2006, 09:08:37 AM
Quote from: ITOS on October 02, 2006, 10:56:24 AM
Quote from: AbelIt's just someone has to look out for Dan's wellbeing.

So they protect their young ones? What are they afraid of? Bad influence? That Dan might start to like dragons?

*Charline nods*  That sort of problem has arisen before... *suddenly looks rather guilty*  It's not my fault!  He was such a handsome dragon and devlishly seductive! ...  Erf, I was young and naive at the time!  :redface
Title: Re: Cubi dislike Dragons Why?
Post by: Manawolf on October 03, 2006, 12:20:18 PM
I'd say you're still naive, just not so young (or maybe the word I'm looking for is gullible).
Title: Re: Cubi dislike Dragons Why?
Post by: ShiningShadow on October 03, 2006, 12:54:44 PM
But the main point of all this. Is that Dand think this way we all want to know why and how this kind of thinking has grown to this point, and why is he trying to reason with this as a fact. I don't know more about Dan's characteras the next guy but I know TW knows more about Dan than Dan himself......................
Title: Re: Cubi dislike Dragons Why?
Post by: Tapewolf on October 03, 2006, 01:40:20 PM
Quote from: ShiningShadow on October 03, 2006, 12:54:44 PM
I don't know more about Dan's characteras the next guy but I know TW knows more about Dan than Dan himself

I hope that's a typo too  :erk
There are people on this forum who are part of Amber's 'inner circle'.  But I am not one of them.
Title: Re: Cubi dislike Dragons Why?
Post by: Aridas on October 03, 2006, 04:25:30 PM
I really don't even think Amber should have an inner circle. Half the time, they give away things... Either completely, or otherwise hint and let the smart people figure it out.
Title: Re: Cubi dislike Dragons Why?
Post by: Slavkei on October 04, 2006, 07:19:54 AM
Quote from: Aridas Soulfire on October 03, 2006, 04:25:30 PM
I really don't even think Amber should have an inner circle. Half the time, they give away things... Either completely, or otherwise hint and let the smart people figure it out.

So... you're saying it's not okay for people to have friends to hang out with in the real world?

Bugger, no wonder you are the idjit you are.
Title: Re: Cubi dislike Dragons Why?
Post by: ShiningShadow on October 04, 2006, 07:21:28 AM
Quote from: Aridas Soulfire on October 03, 2006, 04:25:30 PM
I really don't even think Amber should have an inner circle. Half the time, they give away things... Either completely, or otherwise hint and let the smart people figure it out.

Yeah that too but we as the fans has to look at it very closely with a fine tooth comb to get the answers we desire. But lately we haven't found anything *bah that word at the tip of my tounge* substantial in the strip. Till then we will find something very juicy and talk about till no end..................................
Title: Re: Cubi dislike Dragons Why?
Post by: ShiningShadow on October 04, 2006, 07:23:13 AM
Quote from: Tapewolf on October 03, 2006, 01:40:20 PM
Quote from: ShiningShadow on October 03, 2006, 12:54:44 PM
I don't know more about Dan's characteras the next guy but I know TW knows more about Dan than Dan himself

I hope that's a typo too  :erk
There are people on this forum who are part of Amber's 'inner circle'.  But I am not one of them.

Oh come on TW you are the most informed member here at DMFA  you are in the inner circle of Amber and you don't know that yet..................
Title: Re: Cubi dislike Dragons Why?
Post by: Aridas on October 04, 2006, 07:32:17 AM
Quote from: Slavkei on October 04, 2006, 07:19:54 AM
Quote from: Aridas Soulfire on October 03, 2006, 04:25:30 PM
I really don't even think Amber should have an inner circle. Half the time, they give away things... Either completely, or otherwise hint and let the smart people figure it out.

So... you're saying it's not okay for people to have friends to hang out with in the real world?

Bugger, no wonder you are the idjit you are.
Stupid. Stupid stupid stupid. You don't read very well do you? BECAUSE THEN YOU WOULD KNOW I AM REFERRING TO TAPEWOLF'S POST, WHICH DOES A VERY GOOD JOB OF ASSUMING THE INNER CIRCLE MEANS SOMETHING OTHER THAN BEING FRIENDS, thank you very much. Quit being a jerk. I've had enough of you screwing with me like that back before we were on this forum. You sure know how to piss people off. I only wish this forum wasn't PG, because there's a lot I'd like to say to you right now that I can't. And I won't, because unlike you, I've got a brain and I tend to use it properly. I don't twist peoples' words to make them look like idiots. However, I do point it out when it's obvious.
Title: Re: Cubi dislike Dragons Why?
Post by: llearch n'n'daCorna on October 04, 2006, 07:50:23 AM

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Title: Re: Cubi dislike Dragons Why?
Post by: skwerly on October 04, 2006, 09:28:28 AM
Slavkei (and others), please please please don't respond to Aridas's last post in the forum.  Take it straight to PM. Please. No more flame wars. They hurt.

*beg plead grovel*
Title: Re: Cubi dislike Dragons Why?
Post by: Gabi on October 04, 2006, 09:44:22 AM
:yeahthat Nice sign, llearch! :)

So... does anyone have anything else to say on the subject of Cubi-Dragon interaction?
Title: Re: Cubi dislike Dragons Why?
Post by: llearch n'n'daCorna on October 04, 2006, 10:03:27 AM
Cubi tend to land on their feet better than Dragons, when dropped? :-)
Title: Re: Cubi dislike Dragons Why?
Post by: Damaris on October 04, 2006, 10:07:27 AM
Aridas had a very good point on inner circles.  Some people who are told about upcoming plot lines have let the secrets slip, or have "haha, I know something you don't"'d the rest of the forumer.  I know that Amber really thumped someone a few months ago because of that.

Just because you're a real life friend does not mean you have to know what's going on in the comic, and just because you know what's going on in the comic does not mean you're a real life friend.


Slavaki, the insult was rude.  Discuss the thought, not the poster.  I refuse to have people act like seven year olds on this forum, especially when the seven year olds I deal with at work are typically better behaved.

Aridas, there was no need to go off on him to that extent and insult him back.  The above applies to you as well.

Zedd, we do not misspell human on this forum.  We consider that to be a "racial" slur.

Now, back on topic we go.
Title: Re: Cubi dislike Dragons Why?
Post by: ShiningShadow on October 04, 2006, 11:59:50 AM
But the one thing that's still bothering me is what species is Pyro is when he is not a Dragon. I see it as a Canine with the long snout etc. But to change from the soft fur to the Dragon Scales we known and loved that's a very difficult spell to achieve.  Is there any rating system to rate magic users such as Pyro in that scale with the other Dragons?
Title: Re: Cubi dislike Dragons Why?
Post by: Mel Dragonkitty on October 04, 2006, 12:25:20 PM
Until Amber tells us otherwise I shall believe that the feud started at the SAIA vs. Dragon U championship hockey game. Both sides accused the other of cheating, 98.7% of the spectators were consumed and the arena is still condemed from unstable black magics.

Those college rivalries are vicious.
Title: Re: Cubi dislike Dragons Why?
Post by: ShiningShadow on October 04, 2006, 12:54:44 PM
Quote from: Mel Dragonkitty on October 04, 2006, 12:25:20 PM
Until Amber tells us otherwise I shall believe that the feud started at the SAIA vs. Dragon U championship hockey game. Both sides accused the other of cheating, 98.7% of the spectators were consumed and the arena is still condemed from unstable black magics.

Those college rivalries are vicious.

:yeahthat

Thanks that made me laugh today :laugh
Title: Re: Cubi dislike Dragons Why?
Post by: Alondro on October 04, 2006, 01:09:39 PM
*And Charles was one of the few survivors... cursed with virtual immortality from over-exposure to dark magic, he bears the mental scars of the experience to this very day!*

*Charles grumps*  Well it does explain why he's the way he is!   :P
Title: Re: Cubi dislike Dragons Why?
Post by: Zedd on October 04, 2006, 03:23:35 PM
You got it..I wont missspell on perpose again
Title: Re: Cubi dislike Dragons Why?
Post by: Damaris on October 04, 2006, 09:31:05 PM
thanks, Zedd. :)

And Mel... we weren't supposed to tell!  Amber's going to be mad.... ;)
Title: Re: Cubi dislike Dragons Why?
Post by: Azlan on October 05, 2006, 04:04:06 AM
Maybe the cubi race just owes the dragons a lot of money and they don't want to pay it back?
Title: Re: Cubi dislike Dragons Why?
Post by: Aridas on October 05, 2006, 04:04:41 AM
Well, if Dan is any example of the cubi race as a whole, that's probably it.
Title: Re: Cubi dislike Dragons Why?
Post by: Zedd on October 05, 2006, 06:29:21 AM
Or maybe a way just make things harder...Maybe a babeh cubi stole a babeh dragons toys...One way or anthor..We will never know!  :mowwink
Title: Re: Cubi dislike Dragons Why?
Post by: ShiningShadow on October 05, 2006, 07:05:04 AM
Quote from: Damaris on October 04, 2006, 09:31:05 PM
thanks, Zedd. :)

And Mel... we weren't supposed to tell!  Amber's going to be mad.... ;)

Then don't do it we are here to throw wacky theories up in the air and maybe with a bit of luck and a good evesdropping system we will get the story where it's going at this point. Till then let you imagination go wild and cast endless theories till we are blue in the face..................
Title: Re: Cubi dislike Dragons Why?
Post by: Mel Dragonkitty on October 05, 2006, 10:07:07 AM
I shall cover my track on the hockey idea by presenting my alternate theory. It's all Fa'Lina's doing as an act of revenge against one dragon. This dragon was a practical joker and as Fa'Lina obviously has no sense of humor she was a constant target. Unfortunately one day he went too far and the feud was declared. This was also the day the "poodle cut" was invented.
Title: Re: Cubi dislike Dragons Why?
Post by: ShiningShadow on October 05, 2006, 01:06:18 PM
Quote from: Mel Dragonkitty on October 05, 2006, 10:07:07 AM
I shall cover my track on the hockey idea by presenting my alternate theory. It's all Fa'Lina's doing as an act of revenge against one dragon. This dragon was a practical joker and as Fa'Lina obviously has no sense of humor she was a constant target. Unfortunately one day he went too far and the feud was declared. This was also the day the "poodle cut" was invented.

:yeahthat
AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH that's explains it why she is like she always no sense of humour at all........................
Title: Re: Cubi dislike Dragons Why?
Post by: Zedd on October 05, 2006, 08:30:30 PM
Or why not call her a cleaver b*%#@
Title: Re: Cubi dislike Dragons Why?
Post by: ShiningShadow on October 05, 2006, 08:38:08 PM
Do you always think to this conclusion. Anywho I think she has a sexual frustration towards the Dragon who pulls pranks on her...........................
Title: Re: Cubi dislike Dragons Why?
Post by: Aridas on October 05, 2006, 10:16:15 PM
Three words for you: What. The. Hell?
Title: Re: Cubi dislike Dragons Why?
Post by: Amber Williams on October 05, 2006, 10:24:28 PM
I don't really think Fa'Lina is all that cleaver... (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cleaver_%28knife%29)

I always pegged her for more of a fine-bladed weapon myself. Maybe a rapier or some sort of fencing sword...rather than a cleaver which tends to be the weapon choice of butchers.

As for Fa'Lina and dragons...I wont lie in saying she has a bit of a grudge on em..one in particular. But that fellow hasn't been in the comic at all, or even mentioned. Then again he might have...but you can blame Dan for falling asleep during the history lesson if you missed it.  :3
Title: Re: Cubi dislike Dragons Why?
Post by: GabrielsThoughts on October 05, 2006, 10:27:30 PM
Quote from: Mel Dragonkitty on October 04, 2006, 12:25:20 PM
Until Amber tells us otherwise I shall believe that the feud started at the SAIA vs. Dragon U championship hockey game. Both sides accused the other of cheating, 98.7% of the spectators were consumed and the arena is still condemed from unstable black magics.

Those college rivalries are vicious.

Damn you, spoiling the whole thing!!!
Title: Re: Cubi dislike Dragons Why?
Post by: Zedd on October 05, 2006, 10:44:42 PM
Quote from: Amber Panyko on October 05, 2006, 10:24:28 PM


As for Fa'Lina and dragons...I wont lie in saying she has a bit of a grudge on em..one in particular. But that fellow hasn't been in the comic at all, or even mentioned. Then again he might have...but you can blame Dan for falling asleep during the history lesson if you missed it. :3

I can say I fell alseep too...Stupid leeching stories that suck my brains out  :rolleyes
Title: Re: Cubi dislike Dragons Why?
Post by: ShiningShadow on October 10, 2006, 11:51:57 AM
Ususally I fell asleep during english in my youth *bah curse you dangleing participles*
Title: Re: Cubi dislike Dragons Why?
Post by: e_voyager on October 10, 2006, 12:10:58 PM
Quote from: Amber Panyko on October 05, 2006, 10:24:28 PM
Then again he might have...but you can blame Dan for falling asleep during the history lesson if you missed it.  :3

it might not have helped anyway as my screen(mind) saver comes on if i have to sit still fore more then 30 minutes in and unblinking stare. i guess that's why i put so many Roms in my head to keep me busy
Title: Re: Cubi dislike Dragons Why?
Post by: ShiningShadow on October 10, 2006, 01:05:34 PM
But at this point right now we don't know the real reason why Cubi hates Dragons. Could it be a forbidden romance ended in death. Or squalbbling over who should pay for lunch............................
Title: Re: Cubi dislike Dragons Why?
Post by: Taross on October 17, 2006, 07:39:49 AM
Quote from: ShiningShadow on October 10, 2006, 11:51:57 AM
Ususally I fell asleep during english in my youth *bah curse you dangleing participles*

Cover those up dangit!

Title: Re: Cubi dislike Dragons Why?
Post by: ShiningShadow on October 17, 2006, 01:58:13 PM
But in any case Amber is the only one will someday will write and pencil and color the strip to what was the real reason for the Cubi to hate the Dragons. I bet you It will be very awesome like when Star Wars first came out in 1972 or 73 *man I'm so old*. It will be Epic and consuming and we will talk about it for days and months down the line when it's said and done...............................
Title: Re: Cubi dislike Dragons Why?
Post by: Madmann135 on October 17, 2006, 03:01:04 PM
Curse you Amber...
I was going to try and do a long winded explination stating that Dragons say that their all powerful while Cubi do the same.  But you had to go on and get your say in it ending the debate.
Title: Re: Cubi dislike Dragons Why?
Post by: ShiningShadow on October 18, 2006, 12:11:44 PM
SORRY MY FAULT.................. I didn't to take the wind out of your sails
Title: Re: Cubi dislike Dragons Why?
Post by: Stygian on October 18, 2006, 02:20:57 PM
Am I the only one who so much as considers te possibility that it may be no more complicated than that Dragons and Cubi, being the two greatest races of magically fuelled creatures of power in Furrae, may simply feel threatened by each other because only a Dragon could hope to match a Cubi in sheer power, and vice versa? I know this does not account for Fae and Demons, but Fae are just too gentle and peaceful to mention, and Demons rage and hate too much to actually surmount to anything...

Thank the Lords that I am not of any race like these...
Title: Re: Cubi dislike Dragons Why?
Post by: Madmann135 on October 18, 2006, 08:18:07 PM
One could say that Cubi do not like dragons because Cubi and dragons are fighting for the top link in the magical food chain.  Both are powerful races but one is an anchient race and the other is a relatively new race.

One could also say that Cubi don't like dragons because Dragons hide their history so well and therefore a mystery. :mowninja

But I'm going to say that Dan doesn't like some dragons because a dragon destroyed his toys when he was a child. :mowsmile :mowcookie
Title: Re: Cubi dislike Dragons Why?
Post by: Aridas on October 18, 2006, 08:24:39 PM
Dan's got nothing against dragons, or he'd probably not stoop to doing anything to owe one money >.>

Well,except for drakes. and their biteyness. Pip being the prime example >.>
Title: Re: Cubi dislike Dragons Why?
Post by: Madmann135 on October 18, 2006, 08:31:09 PM
I said some dragons.  Dan isn't one to attack one who's quite powerful for no reason.  Though his reasons could be anything from misunderstanding to destroying an entire village.


:ipod

Title: Re: Cubi dislike Dragons Why?
Post by: Aridas on October 18, 2006, 08:44:44 PM
but the "some dragons" we're talking about aren't known for much property damage...
Title: Re: Cubi dislike Dragons Why?
Post by: Madmann135 on October 18, 2006, 08:46:03 PM
Correct...

I wonder if Jarrys has a patch to make Dan look like a dragon. 
I'm wondering now.
Title: Re: Cubi dislike Dragons Why?
Post by: Zedd on October 18, 2006, 09:07:53 PM
How much paper money you have in your pocket perhaps
Title: Re: Cubi dislike Dragons Why?
Post by: Cogidubnus on October 19, 2006, 12:30:29 AM
I'm wandering a here and there...

And I'm wondering. Yeah. Wondrin', if I packed me enough underwear....
(If you get this reference, you deserve a cookie)

I thought the whole 'Dragons hate Cubi' thing was because Dragons thought of Cubi as some sort of mutant deviation of the dragon lineage? I thought I read that somewhere, anyway...

Edit: oh yeah, there it is on the first page. Oops. :animesweat
Title: Re: Cubi dislike Dragons Why?
Post by: thetire on October 19, 2006, 01:13:51 AM
Quote from: Mel Dragonkitty on October 05, 2006, 10:07:07 AM
I shall cover my track on the hockey idea by presenting my alternate theory. It's all Fa'Lina's doing as an act of revenge against one dragon. This dragon was a practical joker and as Fa'Lina obviously has no sense of humor she was a constant target. Unfortunately one day he went too far and the feud was declared. This was also the day the "poodle cut" was invented.

*Zander in Dragon form peers over an exceptionally tall fence* oh snap!  :<
Title: Re: Cubi dislike Dragons Why?
Post by: e_voyager on October 19, 2006, 01:21:57 AM
patches are fin and all but it's hard to really understand another spices with out going the whole 9 yards.
Title: Re: Cubi dislike Dragons Why?
Post by: ShiningShadow on October 19, 2006, 07:46:50 AM
Till then I think its a lot of those things and more we haven't discussed here. Until we have the full story on the Dragon and Cubi thing here we will speculate some more........................
Title: Re: Cubi dislike Dragons Why?
Post by: Stygian on October 19, 2006, 04:58:14 PM
Bleh. Jyrras and his patches. I find the things... disturbing. *Cuts short*

Firstly I agree with Voyager in that you cannot truly understand a species unless you've really and thoroughly transformed into an individual of that species.

Secondly I agree with Mel in that you can probably lay at least some of the blame for the enmity between Dragons and Cubi on Fa'Lina (what with creating an academy and centralizing cubi power). She is too powerful and way too arrogant for her own good. Hopefully, someone who is capable of challenging her magical power without having magic of their own will come along and teach her a thing or two.
Title: Re: Cubi dislike Dragons Why?
Post by: Madmann135 on October 21, 2006, 03:03:04 PM
Stygian you are probably right.
Dragons take pride in hording things, valuable things and magic is quite valuable.  With the introduction of the Cubi Academy cubi have been getting more powerful and Fa'Lina has been the main benefactor from that little endever.  Not only is she beyond her normal years of life but she is quite possiably one of the most strongest cubi to be there.

My question is this... in the future when Dan is stronger will he have the power to challange Fa'Lina and win?  We all know that he's an skilled combatant even at his young age and with age comes an increase of skill and power, though he did give up the use of his magical abilites due to the 'incident.'  Yet dispite he gave up the use of his magical abilites he has bested some of the more powerful creatures in his travels (like Pegasis, and survived a few powerful Blue Mythos).

Me personally I'm betting that If Dan becomes strong enough he will have the best chance of knocking Fa'Lina down a peg or more.
Title: Re: Cubi dislike Dragons Why?
Post by: Mel Dragonkitty on October 22, 2006, 10:52:11 AM
Even ignoring any long-range goals that Fa'Lina might have, just think of the amount of shaping of the cubi race she has been able to do. Evidently almost every cubi has gone to SAIA since it opened and experienced an education based on Fa'Lina's biases. Since it's a boarding school this a total immersion into Fa'Lina's world. We have at least one example (Aery) where the teacher was once the student and has little-to-no experience outside of what she was taught (the truth of the "special incantation ploy" comes to mind). They are reaching a point where Fa'Lina's opinions become truths.
Title: Re: Cubi dislike Dragons Why?
Post by: Aridas on October 22, 2006, 12:19:53 PM
Hey, that's one thing I don't think anyone thought of -- the possibility that this is all a personal thing nobody else is really aware about.
Title: Re: Cubi dislike Dragons Why?
Post by: Mel Dragonkitty on October 22, 2006, 04:58:12 PM
Even with no agenda on Fa'Lina's part it is kind of scary to think that one person has controlled the education of multiple generations of an entire race. Her belief system has been innoculated into everyone who has passed through that school. If they accept it or reject it, it is still the basis for their beliefs. Scary thought, Fa'Lina as the base pattern for all cubis.
Title: Re: Cubi dislike Dragons Why?
Post by: Stygian on October 22, 2006, 06:23:57 PM
Not to mention, Fa'Lina is concentrated power in herself, up to the point where she is semi-omnipotent and -omniscient. And indeed her manners are very much along the baseline of what signifies cubi; proud, headstrong and arrogant, used to the world changing to her expectations, or letting itself be changed with a little force applied. I cannot but respect her for her age and wisdom, but as for her power...

But then, Fa'Lina is just another creature of the world, restricted by its confines of dimensionality and power. And however omnipotent in one world, in the next, things might be veeeeery different.
Title: Re: Cubi dislike Dragons Why?
Post by: Alondro on October 22, 2006, 09:00:24 PM
*Charline smirks*  Oh, I'm quite sure Fa'lina has personal reasons for starting SAIA... given that Amber did already give some info on that in the character bio.  But you'll find most very powerful cubi and dragons, and demons and even beings have agendas.  I too have an agenda... and enormous powers!  *Charline the cubi has PHENOMENAL COSMIC POWERS!!  But... she lives in Charles' brain*  Itty bitty living space... ;)

*Charles suddenly feels insulted*  Hey!  I represent that remark!   :B
Title: Re: Cubi dislike Dragons Why?
Post by: Mel Dragonkitty on October 22, 2006, 10:03:56 PM
I wasn't saying that Fa'Lina didn't have an agenda. I was just reflecting on the effects on a society from having only one resource to learn from. I can muse on Deebs raising multiple generations of sentient gum in the lab closet instead.
Title: Re: Cubi dislike Dragons Why?
Post by: e_voyager on October 22, 2006, 11:15:49 PM
that mel i don't foresee as dweebs is dweeds. for that to happen she would need  "aah the mental images. they are freezing my brain!
Title: Re: Cubi dislike Dragons Why?
Post by: GabrielsThoughts on October 22, 2006, 11:21:31 PM
all will be revealed shortly....Maybe.
Title: Re: Cubi dislike Dragons Why?
Post by: Aridas on October 22, 2006, 11:24:31 PM
*streaks through the topic, revealing all*
Title: Re: Cubi dislike Dragons Why?
Post by: Stygian on October 22, 2006, 11:36:21 PM
Oh no! I can see the truth! It burns my eyes! Dragons are all full of pockets of noes, and cubi will never be interior decoratorsandIcannotstopforIknowthefaerieswillgetmewiththeirhorriblegravysauceOH-GOD-PLEASE-HELP-ME!

*ending sound effect: Headcrab_Zombie, imported from Half-Life 2*
Title: Re: Cubi dislike Dragons Why?
Post by: LionHeart on October 23, 2006, 08:41:50 AM
No, that wasn't the truth you saw. That was just Aridas revealing his shortcomings.

(Come on, you were all thinking it...)
Title: Re: Cubi dislike Dragons Why?
Post by: Stygian on October 23, 2006, 11:22:24 AM
DID YOU NOT SEE UNDER THE PETTICOATS?! THE TRUTH DECLARED THAT IT WAS SMALL AND GREEN!
Title: Re: Cubi dislike Dragons Why?
Post by: ShiningShadow on October 23, 2006, 11:50:33 AM
What ever Fa lina is doing I see the school as a launching pad for the Cubi's to attack the dragons and I bet Fa lina has the location of the tribe. Right now she needs an opportunity to strike. I think Dan is part of that equation. I have a bad feeling there's something there that we are not seeing and Fa lina using Dan for purposes we don't know is very scary. If this direction where Amber is going then let it develop and we will judge ourselves with the finished strip.
Title: Re: Cubi dislike Dragons Why?
Post by: Stygian on October 23, 2006, 05:11:54 PM
UNHOLY LORD, IT'S A CONSPIRACY! WARN THE MUFFINS, COMRADE!

Seriously, though that might be a possible scenario, I think the cubi are too content with their situation to do more tahn bully beings and roll around, all smug and aloof.
Title: Re: Cubi dislike Dragons Why?
Post by: Magic on October 23, 2006, 06:49:54 PM
Besides, it's so much more fun to play than to work.
Title: Re: Cubi dislike Dragons Why?
Post by: Alondro on October 24, 2006, 01:16:50 AM
*Charline smirks*  If any cubi would come up with a conspiracy to usurp the absolute power, it would have to be...  *Silence.  Charline has suddenly vanished!*  >:3
Title: Re: Cubi dislike Dragons Why?
Post by: ShiningShadow on October 24, 2006, 07:19:34 AM
If this scenario happens then we will see the mother of all wars. Death destruction, heartache, so much pain all around. I see also Jyrass with his inventions the 50 cal. Gatling gun and those mech will tip the balance but to whom? The more I think about this the more its scares me. But in the inevitable of war there's many people will get hurt or killed, but we will see what happens next.
Title: Re: Cubi dislike Dragons Why?
Post by: Aridas on October 24, 2006, 07:49:09 AM
Since I'm feeling particularly insane, let's do the math :3

DMFA = funny
Death = not funny
Destruction = mehhhh
Heartache = not funny
death + destruction + heartache = War
War = not funny :<
DMFA + War = No D:

...And that's why I got an 80 in math. *avoids bullets for the pun post* But seriously,  in plain english, I'll just say that a war in the sense you put it has no place in DMFA... DMFA is supposed to be semi-daily-ish laughs, and that just doesn't mix with a war. Wars are too long and they hurt. it would be something you'd find in Abel's Story, not regular DMFA. :<
Title: Re: Cubi dislike Dragons Why?
Post by: llearch n'n'daCorna on October 24, 2006, 09:55:44 AM
Hear, hear, Aridas. Well said, if belabouring the point a trifle :-)
Title: Re: Cubi dislike Dragons Why?
Post by: DigitalMan on October 24, 2006, 01:19:16 PM
A very good point. DMFA just doesn't have a very war-like atmosphere. Now, a war could start, mind you... and then likely end 15 minutes later because of something completely random. In the end, all parties involved would be eating muffins.
Title: Re: Cubi dislike Dragons Why?
Post by: ShiningShadow on October 24, 2006, 02:01:48 PM
Quote from: Aridas Soulfire on October 24, 2006, 07:49:09 AM
Since I'm feeling particularly insane, let's do the math :3

DMFA = funny
Death = not funny
Destruction = mehhhh
Heartache = not funny
death + destruction + heartache = War
War = not funny :<
DMFA + War = No D:

...And that's why I got an 80 in math. *avoids bullets for the pun post* But seriously,  in plain english, I'll just say that a war in the sense you put it has no place in DMFA... DMFA is supposed to be semi-daily-ish laughs, and that just doesn't mix with a war. Wars are too long and they hurt. it would be something you'd find in Abel's Story, not regular DMFA. :<

True, true your right on this one but there's something going on at the Cubi Academy. I can't put my finger on it. But I have this rock in my gut it involved with Dan and Abel. I don't know but there's something afoot there at the academy.
Title: Re: Cubi dislike Dragons Why?
Post by: Stygian on October 24, 2006, 03:22:49 PM
I think it might just be Kria Soulstealer going rampant again. Seriously, someone has to tie that woman up and force-feed her aubergine.
Title: Re: Cubi dislike Dragons Why?
Post by: Tapewolf on October 24, 2006, 04:16:28 PM
Quote from: ShiningShadow on October 24, 2006, 02:01:48 PM
...there's something going on at the Cubi Academy. I can't put my finger on it. But I have this rock in my gut it involved with Dan and Abel. I don't know but there's something afoot there at the academy.

Abel seems to owe Dan really big, like he owes his life to the Ti'Fiona family or something.
That aside, I haven't seen any evidence that I recognise as some grand conspiracy on Fa'lina's behalf, and personally I have my doubts that she'd be able to influence all 'cubi.
Remember, she just runs the Academy.  She may be nearly all-seeing within the Academy grounds, but she doesn't seem to be that powerful outside her immediate presence (she can't even teleport by herself).
Remember, Fa'lina doesn't teach the students directly.  Yes, she'll set the curriculum, but that isn't necessarily hard-and-fast.  In School, College and University I have seen teachers skimp over things which they don't feel necessary but are obliged to mention because it's part of the syllabus.
Even if Fa'lina watched all her staff remotely and fired those who strayed from the path (since she couldn't even hire a replacement for Destania in 24 years, that looks unlikely) there's still the twin problems of students misunderstanding a'la the 'Incantation Ploy', and cleverdick students like Abel who are naturally gifted and don't need to pay very much attention in order to get good grades.

Personally I think it's just a case that she wants what's best for her race (the Academy was founded to act as a safe haven for young 'cubi during the purges).  If Fa'lina wanted to do something sinister, it would be more prudent to manipulate things via the Creature Council, since as the single most prominent 'cubi she is bound to have ways of influencing it, if she doesn't sit on the council personally.

I'd be more inclined to believe that if anything is going on at SAIA, it's that Fa'lina is realising that the world outside is changing faster than the Academy (with it's 375-year courses) is readily able to cope with at present.

..but I could be wrong.
Title: Re: Cubi dislike Dragons Why?
Post by: llearch n'n'daCorna on October 24, 2006, 04:48:54 PM
Quote from: Tapewolf on October 24, 2006, 04:16:28 PM
her immediate presence (she can't even teleport by herself).

Erm. I beg to differ. We just haven't -seen- her teleport herself, which may well be she chooses not to.

And there's been at least one instance (http://missmab.com/Comics/Vol_490.php) where she has done it while we, uh, weren't looking. So nobody can really say she -can't-, particularly since she says she can...

Now, she *may* be referring to Fu, but something leads me to believe otherwise :-)
Title: Re: Cubi dislike Dragons Why?
Post by: Tapewolf on October 24, 2006, 04:52:51 PM
Quote from: llearch n'n'daCorna on October 24, 2006, 04:48:54 PM
Quote from: Tapewolf on October 24, 2006, 04:16:28 PM
her immediate presence (she can't even teleport by herself).

Erm. I beg to differ. We just haven't -seen- her teleport herself, which may well be she chooses not to.

Perhaps.  To my eyes she seems very dependent on Warp-Aci to do the teleporting.  She wouldn't have needed to replace Fi if she could arrive and grab Dan all by herself, for instance.

If #490 didn't have Fu in it, I might have believed it :P

**EDIT* 490, not 409
Title: Re: Cubi dislike Dragons Why?
Post by: Stygian on October 24, 2006, 05:17:21 PM
From a semi-omnipotent being I would expect at least some rapid transportation capabilites, teleportation, planewalking or something of the likes. Even my character is capable of phasing, and he should be nowhere near Fa'lina in power.
Title: Re: Cubi dislike Dragons Why?
Post by: Tapewolf on October 24, 2006, 05:26:34 PM
Quote from: Stygian on October 24, 2006, 05:17:21 PM
From a semi-omnipotent being I would expect at least some rapid transportation capabilites, teleportation, planewalking or something of the likes. Even I am capable of phasing, and I should be nowhere near Fa'lina in power.

With no offence to Amber, when Fa'lina says she is semi-omnipotent, she promptly describes omniscience which lead me to believe it was a mistake.  I'll have to locate the back-issues of the forum for that strip and see if there were any comments on that.

I can see how a Warp-aci would be useful to retrieve Dan via the letter, but when she handles it personally, she could quite easily have done it without Fu if she's really that powerful.
Title: Re: Cubi dislike Dragons Why?
Post by: Stygian on October 24, 2006, 06:37:44 PM
Do not underestimate the tendency for authors and creators to humongously overpower or elevate their favourite and/or convenience characters. I have as of yet obseved this everywhere in the general community, professional or otherwise. She could very well mean what she is saying.
Title: Re: Cubi dislike Dragons Why?
Post by: Tiger_T on October 24, 2006, 07:04:09 PM
She is several thousand years old.
I would be surprised if she wasn't pretty powerful and skilled. :3
Title: Re: Cubi dislike Dragons Why?
Post by: ShiningShadow on October 24, 2006, 09:32:25 PM
I think that Falina is acting dumb to throw us off. I think she is very sinister and highly intelligent as she leads on. I think there more to Falina than meets the eye. I don't trust her for a minute she's has a plan all laid out and slowly but surely all the peices will come into place. There's an evil and it's Falina.
Title: Re: Cubi dislike Dragons Why?
Post by: Alondro on October 24, 2006, 09:54:51 PM
*Charles chuckles*  Let's not forget Fa'lina's reaction to Merlitz when no one but Aary was in earshot.  Her happy-go-lucky act vanished instantly and she gave us a brief glimpse of her true nature.   

Oh yes, I'm sure she's hiding quite a bit.  For example, if she is indeed near-omniscient, then she'd be more than clever enough to keep her true power hidden until her objective was fully in her grasp and nothing remained to stop her.

That is how a true evil genius works.   :mwaha
Title: Re: Cubi dislike Dragons Why?
Post by: ShiningShadow on October 24, 2006, 10:12:15 PM
Quote from: Alondro on October 24, 2006, 09:54:51 PM
*Charles chuckles*  Let's not forget Fa'lina's reaction to Merlitz when no one but Aary was in earshot.  Her happy-go-lucky act vanished instantly and she gave us a brief glimpse of her true nature.   

Oh yes, I'm sure she's hiding quite a bit.  For example, if she is indeed near-omniscient, then she'd be more than clever enough to keep her true power hidden until her objective was fully in her grasp and nothing remained to stop her.

That is how a true evil genius works.   :mwaha

Hear, hear I'm glad you agreed with me she's up to something. Till we have the full details we will speculate more I think her powers comes from eating certain muffins hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.
Title: Re: Cubi dislike Dragons Why?
Post by: Magic on October 24, 2006, 10:29:53 PM
QuoteThat aside, I haven't seen any evidence that I recognise as some grand conspiracy on Fa'lina's behalf, and personally I have my doubts that she'd be able to influence all 'cubi.

True, that.

Fa'lina is not the most powerful succubus that ever lived and none of the other clans will let her play them like pawns. The clans assembled for the purposes of education for the young, and a safe haven; they did not agree to do Fa'lina's every whim no matter how good her position is to do so and they can very well oppose her if she herself strays from that agreement. Balance of power and politics still apply.

However, that is too boring for her (especially since she has nine thousand years under her belt), so she does in change a little bit here and there, but not enough to cause a civil war inside the academy. Risks she has to take for destiny of course.

It is a fact that she is semi-omnipotent; from her abnormal lifespan and physical strength alone. (Albeit word choice is in question within that comic. Tapewolf might be right about it being omniscience.)

Also.

http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_532.php

Think about the pacing of the comic above, and how fast she responded to him.
Title: Re: Cubi dislike Dragons Why?
Post by: DigitalMan on October 24, 2006, 10:36:58 PM
Quote from: Ink on October 24, 2006, 10:29:53 PM
Also.

http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_532.php

Think about the pacing of the comic above, and how fast she responded to him.[/i]

More than speed, I'm noticing how she was completely unaffected by their inertia... That's pretty frightening.
Title: Re: Cubi dislike Dragons Why?
Post by: Stygian on October 24, 2006, 11:08:02 PM
Ink, however much I respect you and admire you for what you are, I cannot but regard your words with a certain disbeleif, for you yourself have connections to Fa'Lina and Amber. Also, women of Fa'Lina's position tend to see things very much the way they want them to be, and while avarice is not present or at least aparrent in all, it can and mostly does affect people's actions very subtly.

I am most aware of Fa'Lina's overwhelming experience and sharp intellect. But I have seen so many examples that indicate that wit and emotion are two completely separate things, and dangerous when in a mix, that I can do nothing but distrust her, and urge others to do the same.
Title: Re: Cubi dislike Dragons Why?
Post by: Magic on October 25, 2006, 12:37:26 AM
Ah, but that is so because she is an impeccable diplomat and one who knows well about compromise, her whim aside. She would have had to be to unite the clans under the academy and be able to maintain order throughout history despite the deep prejudices between certain clans.

Though the latter, I would have to concede. She is a particularly dangerous individual, as you've said.
Title: Re: Cubi dislike Dragons Why?
Post by: Aridas on October 25, 2006, 01:28:37 AM
Quote from: DigitalMan on October 24, 2006, 10:36:58 PM
Quote from: Ink on October 24, 2006, 10:29:53 PM
Also.

http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_532.php

Think about the pacing of the comic above, and how fast she responded to him.[/i]

More than speed, I'm noticing how she was completely unaffected by their inertia... That's pretty frightening.
Haven't you ever watched wrestling? Now compare that to some old cubithing. Possible, if you assume wrestling is real. >.>
Title: Re: Cubi dislike Dragons Why?
Post by: ShiningShadow on October 25, 2006, 07:19:10 AM
I watch wrestling the real one in Mexico. Anywho I think Falina is really up to something it proves it with her strength and how she teleports with ease and always showing up at least we expected. That in a nutshell is one crazy, dangerous individual. I will stay far away from her.
Title: Re: Cubi dislike Dragons Why?
Post by: Stygian on October 25, 2006, 07:41:02 AM
I would rather keep close to her... Though powerful she may be, I have tricks up my sleeve that few expect (and even fewer enjoy or accept...). I would rather monitor her closely than be caught unaware of any action on her part.
Title: Re: Cubi dislike Dragons Why?
Post by: ShiningShadow on October 26, 2006, 07:30:52 AM
Quote from: Stygian on October 25, 2006, 07:41:02 AM
I would rather keep close to her... Though powerful she may be, I have tricks up my sleeve that few expect (and even fewer enjoy or accept...). I would rather monitor her closely than be caught unaware of any action on her part.

Sort of like *Keep your friends close and keep your enemies closer type of saying* I know what your saying there and I agree on this.
Title: Re: Cubi dislike Dragons Why?
Post by: Stygian on October 26, 2006, 07:37:07 AM
More along the lines of; "I am aware of the danger that my enemies pose, but they are far from aware of the full danger I pose, and therefore I am the one with the advantage". That's something that I commonly practice in real life, sad though it may sound.
Title: Re: Cubi dislike Dragons Why?
Post by: ShiningShadow on October 27, 2006, 12:17:35 PM
Quote from: Stygian on October 26, 2006, 07:37:07 AM
More along the lines of; "I am aware of the danger that my enemies pose, but they are far from aware of the full danger I pose, and therefore I am the one with the advantage". That's something that I commonly practice in real life, sad though it may sound.

Very well said warrior. Kind of reminds me of the book of Art Of War by Sun-Tzu. I read it a couple of times helps alot in things in life in general.
Title: Re: Cubi dislike Dragons Why?
Post by: keybounce on November 04, 2006, 04:41:50 PM
Ohh ohh. 206, 206!

http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_206.php

"Not Pyroduck ... He keeps giving me the creeps."

Cast page: "Quirks/Fun Facts: Dan's new wing tentacles have draconic heads.".
Title: Re: Cubi dislike Dragons Why?
Post by: thetire on November 04, 2006, 09:42:14 PM
Dan is a dragon. He HAS to be! >:O

(from cast page)
exhibit A: "Dan's Quote: Well what do ya know... it CAN be set on fire!" (need I say more?)
exhibit B: "Nicknames: Dan, Danny, "Keep away from me pervert!"" (er... eh heh heh... :animesweat)
exhibit C: "Quirks/Fun Facts: Most claim it's because he gets to dress in flashy clothes and jump around. They probably are right."

*adjusts his powdered wig*
that is all.  :.
Title: Re: Cubi dislike Dragons Why?
Post by: Zedd on November 04, 2006, 09:47:45 PM
Quote from: Zander on November 04, 2006, 09:42:14 PM
Dan is a dragon. He HAS to be! >:O

(from cast page)
exhibit A: "Dan's Quote: Well what do ya know... it CAN be set on fire!" (need I say more?)
exhibit B: "Nicknames: Dan, Danny, "Keep away from me pervert!"" (er... eh heh heh... :animesweat)
exhibit C: "Quirks/Fun Facts: Most claim it's because he gets to dress in flashy clothes and jump around. They probably are right."

*adjusts his powdered wig*
that is all. :.



Let me reply to dumb it down for you...
IF DAN WAS A DRAGON HE WOULD BEEN NOTICED BY PIP BEING A DRAGON YOU SILLY COW! NOW DON'T MAKE ME GET INTO A FIERY OF MY RAGE OF MY CAMP LIKE SELF!  
Thank you....
Title: Re: Cubi dislike Dragons Why?
Post by: Faerie Alex on November 05, 2006, 05:47:35 PM
Technically, Pip is a drake, not a dragon. Similar, but not the same.
http://www.missmab.com/Cast/pip.php
versus
http://www.missmab.com/Cast/pyroduck.php
(Note the different "Species.")
Title: Re: Cubi dislike Dragons Why?
Post by: Aridas on November 05, 2006, 06:10:20 PM
Pip would be considered a subspecies, I think.
Title: Re: Cubi dislike Dragons Why?
Post by: ShiningShadow on November 06, 2006, 07:31:36 AM
Dan a Dragon? I don't think so but the dragon head on his tentacles maybe. I don't know Dan doesn't have any dragon blood in him if so then Pyro will know him in a very different way to address him if he is a clan of the Dragon. But right now I don't see any evidence of Dan being a Dragon.
Title: Re: Cubi dislike Dragons Why?
Post by: Kibin on November 06, 2006, 08:20:36 AM
 :mowninja: *ninja post-fu!*

Maybe it's because that, like Dan's clan, dragons cannot have them predicted by magic easily. Thus, having a dragon near Dan would make it harder to predict events in his future, since there are more unknown forces. Or something like that.
Title: Re: Cubi dislike Dragons Why?
Post by: Ailis on November 07, 2006, 12:59:47 AM
Waht about the posibility that Pyroduck is not a typical dragon?  Also, if I remember correctly he said he was from the future (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_113.php)

Maybe he was being serrious.  Either that, or he will owe Dan a favor.
Title: Re: Cubi dislike Dragons Why?
Post by: ShiningShadow on November 07, 2006, 07:59:24 AM
Quote from: Kibin on November 06, 2006, 08:20:36 AM
:mowninja: *ninja post-fu!*

Maybe it's because that, like Dan's clan, dragons cannot have them predicted by magic easily. Thus, having a dragon near Dan would make it harder to predict events in his future, since there are more unknown forces. Or something like that.

Well lets just say your right on this one. When this unseen force will make an appearance, I think is Falina is the one will make that appearance and her plans to Dan.
I'll still don't trust her and this will prove it when and if she will make her plans known.
Title: Re: Cubi dislike Dragons Why?
Post by: llearch n'n'daCorna on November 07, 2006, 08:06:14 AM
Quote from: ShiningShadow on November 07, 2006, 07:59:24 AM
Well lets just say your right on this one.

Your right what, though?
Title: Re: Cubi dislike Dragons Why?
Post by: ShiningShadow on November 07, 2006, 08:14:24 AM
Quote from: ShiningShadow on November 07, 2006, 07:59:24 AM
Quote from: Kibin on November 06, 2006, 08:20:36 AM
:mowninja: *ninja post-fu!*

Maybe it's because that, like Dan's clan, dragons cannot have them predicted by magic easily. Thus, having a dragon near Dan would make it harder to predict events in his future, since there are more unknown forces. Or something like that.

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Title: Re: Cubi dislike Dragons Why?
Post by: thetire on November 09, 2006, 07:41:15 PM
Quote from: Zedd on November 04, 2006, 09:47:45 PM

Let me reply to dumb it down for you...
IF DAN WAS A DRAGON HE WOULD BEEN NOTICED BY PIP BEING A DRAGON YOU SILLY COW! NOW DON'T MAKE ME GET INTO A FIERY OF MY RAGE OF MY CAMP LIKE SELF!  
Thank you....

who you callin' a cow?   >:O

I was prepared for you  from square one! now you shall feel the wrath of the monarch!

Ahem. You see, Pip knew about it from the beginning. He was told by the other dragons to keep watch on Dan to see what is going to happen.
:mowdan
Title: Re: Cubi dislike Dragons Why?
Post by: Stygian on November 09, 2006, 07:47:38 PM
PIP IS A DRAKE! DRAKES ARE PUNY LITTLE SQUEAKS, DRAGONS ARE NOT! EAT WHATEVER YOU WANT AND SHUT UP!

As you can probably guess, those last words were supposed to be something else, if it were not for the PG rating.
Title: Re: Cubi dislike Dragons Why?
Post by: bill on November 09, 2006, 09:33:53 PM
Styg, be nice.
Title: Re: Cubi dislike Dragons Why?
Post by: Stygian on November 09, 2006, 10:32:55 PM
I am fishing for nega-karma, so no.
Title: Re: Cubi dislike Dragons Why?
Post by: bill on November 09, 2006, 11:05:11 PM
Stop, or you're getting 700 pieces of pie.  :<
Title: Re: Cubi dislike Dragons Why?
Post by: Stygian on November 09, 2006, 11:09:22 PM
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH! *runs like a little girl-like... thing...*

On another note, Destania is doing reconnaisance missions for Fa'Lina on twink territory so that she can plan the cubi attack route into dragon lands.

(No, I do not actually beleive that. That was all a convenient lie to keep this from going completely off-topic.)
Title: Re: Cubi dislike Dragons Why?
Post by: ShiningShadow on November 10, 2006, 07:16:35 AM
Quote from: Stygian on November 09, 2006, 11:09:22 PM
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH! *runs like a little girl-like... thing...*

On another note, Destania is doing reconnaissance missions for Fa'Lina on twink territory so that she can plan the cubi attack route into dragon lands.

(No, I do not actually believe that. That was all a convenient lie to keep this from going completely off-topic.)

That's what I'm talking about. It all come back to the academy Falina is planning something big and Destania is there at Twinks territory and Alexsi and the full cast of DMFA. I was right there are here to attack the Dragons and wipe them out completely. I think Dan is either the key or the thorn that is in Falina's plans.
Also I think Wildly rescue party will be witness of the attack to the Dragons.
Title: Re: Cubi dislike Dragons Why?
Post by: Tapewolf on November 10, 2006, 07:26:04 AM
Quote from: ShiningShadow on November 10, 2006, 07:16:35 AM
I think Dan is either the key or the thorn that is in Falina's plans.

If so, it's going to be more 'key' than 'thorn'.  She said she had to bring him to the academy 'at all cost', remember and she could very easily have disposed of him if he was going to upset her plans.  I can think of a few non-lethal ways of doing that too, given that he's the protagonist.

Title: Re: Cubi dislike Dragons Why?
Post by: Stygian on November 10, 2006, 07:28:00 AM
And is she expecting him to turn to her side? Not likely on...

*sigh* I forgot that it was Fa'Lina we were talking about here. She certainly is enough of an arrogant bitch to think something like that.
Title: Re: Cubi dislike Dragons Why?
Post by: ShiningShadow on November 10, 2006, 01:08:42 PM
Then there you go you agree with me on this Styg. I think the arrogant witch Falina will try something I hope it will blow up in her face and we all laugh at her while she's down >:3 :mwaha :mwaha.
Title: Re: Cubi dislike Dragons Why?
Post by: Zedd on November 10, 2006, 01:58:20 PM
Im sure some of you rember why its dangeriously bad call Fa'Lina a bitch right? You might rember Jak very well
Title: Re: Cubi dislike Dragons Why?
Post by: Stygian on November 10, 2006, 02:29:56 PM
I have my own reasons. Both for why I would want to call her that, and for why I can call her that.
Title: Re: Cubi dislike Dragons Why?
Post by: NoAI on November 12, 2006, 07:43:52 PM
Right. Let's just drag the topic away from Fa'Lina, and back to the matter at hand.

There is one thought I've had on this subject that, after reviewing this thread, I'm surprised to find hasn't come up. What is it?

What if cubi as a race don't find anything at all wrong with dragons? What if it is just the Cyra clan? You know: Dan's clan. The one with the draconic tentacles, and apparently universal (in the sense of range, not power) protection from scrying. That clan.

I mean, it makes sense. Aary and Abel are both in a better situation then Dan to know what the enemies of his own clan are. Why and what the situation is is still anyone's guess. My guess is that the dragons have a black market trade in Cyra tentacle heads. Imitation is more then a form of flattery after all. It's also a form of cheap reproduction.

Oh, and as for the link to the comic where the scrying information was interpreted from, since at least negative one person will want to see it for reference:
http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_422.php
Title: Re: Cubi dislike Dragons Why?
Post by: llearch n'n'daCorna on November 12, 2006, 08:09:21 PM
NoAI: 1.
Everyone else: 0.

Nuff said. :-)
Title: Re: Cubi dislike Dragons Why?
Post by: Tapewolf on November 12, 2006, 08:13:30 PM
Quote from: NoAI on November 12, 2006, 07:43:52 PM
What if cubi as a race don?t find anything at all wrong with dragons? What if it is just the Cyra clan? You know: Dan?s clan. The one with the draconic tentacles, and apparently universal (in the sense of range, not power) protection from scrying. That clan.

I mean, it makes sense. Aary and Abel are both in a better situation then Dan to know what the enemies of his own clan are.

That's quite a different angle.  The only snag I see is Abel's line in #698 - "Something isn't right with this setup".  To me, that implies that Dragons have a standard modus operandi when carrying out whatever it is that Abel is desperate to prevent.  As far as we know, the only other Cyra Clan 'cubi at SAIA for the last few centuries was Destania - and her entry to SAIA was before Abel's time.

Now it might be that Fa'lina has briefed him on what to expect, but IMHO it looks more like this is a relatively common occurrence, rather than something specific to Dan.

Of course another option is that Pyro was actually telling the truth when he joked to Alexsi that Dan would become their leader or in some way critical - if Dan has some crucial role in his future, it would explain why Fa'lina was desperate to get at him herself.

I'm going to bed.
Title: Re: Cubi dislike Dragons Why?
Post by: ShiningShadow on November 13, 2006, 07:34:36 AM
Quote from: Tapewolf on November 12, 2006, 08:13:30 PM
Quote from: NoAI on November 12, 2006, 07:43:52 PM
What if cubi as a race don?t find anything at all wrong with dragons? What if it is just the Cyra clan? You know: Dan?s clan. The one with the draconic tentacles, and apparently universal (in the sense of range, not power) protection from scrying. That clan.

I mean, it makes sense. Aary and Abel are both in a better situation then Dan to know what the enemies of his own clan are.

That's quite a different angle.  The only snag I see is Abel's line in #698 - "Something isn't right with this setup".  To me, that implies that Dragons have a standard modus operandi when carrying out whatever it is that Abel is desperate to prevent.  As far as we know, the only other Cyra Clan 'cubi at SAIA for the last few centuries was Destania - and her entry to SAIA was before Abel's time.

Now it might be that Fa'lina has briefed him on what to expect, but IMHO it looks more like this is a relatively common occurrence, rather than something specific to Dan.

Of course another option is that Pyro was actually telling the truth when he joked to Alexsi that Dan would become their leader or in some way critical - if Dan has some crucial role in his future, it would explain why Fa'lina was desperate to get at him herself.

I'm going to bed.

Hmmmmmmmm I never saw that in this Point of View. I always believe if someone says something in joking fashion then it's the real truth. The comment of Pyro saying that Dan is the most important and very powerful Cubi in the future. Then I think Pyro is up to something to either keep this timeline intact or change it to his desire. Hmmmmmmmmmmmm too many variables too many enemies around. If Dan see this I think he will pull off something that will make him legendary for many generations to come. Who knows what will happens next on DMFA.
Title: Re: Cubi dislike Dragons Why?
Post by: Izkata on November 13, 2006, 10:32:19 AM
Quote from: ShiningShadow on November 13, 2006, 07:34:36 AMI always believe if someone says something in joking fashion then it's the real truth. The comment of Pyro saying that Dan is the most important and very powerful Cubi in the future.
What I learned from Animorphs:  Tell your someone the truth, and there's no chance they'll believe you.
Title: Re: Cubi dislike Dragons Why?
Post by: Alan Garou on November 13, 2006, 10:14:53 PM
Quote from: Izkata on November 13, 2006, 10:32:19 AM
Quote from: ShiningShadow on November 13, 2006, 07:34:36 AMI always believe if someone says something in joking fashion then it's the real truth. The comment of Pyro saying that Dan is the most important and very powerful Cubi in the future.
What I learned from Animorphs:  Tell your someone the truth, and there's no chance they'll believe you.
Especially if you assure them that it's the truth. Because that is usually said after, before, or during a lie. That's why you need to scare people to get them to listen to you.
Title: Re: Cubi dislike Dragons Why?
Post by: ShiningShadow on November 14, 2006, 07:29:52 AM
So something major will happen on the other arc of the rescue team. I know it , I just know it. Anywho if the other group of Wildly and gang will they be ready for what's comming ahead at Twinks Territory?
Title: Re: Cubi dislike Dragons Why?
Post by: Stygian on November 14, 2006, 08:39:36 AM
Poor twinks. Trying to stop them. Geez.
Title: Re: Cubi dislike Dragons Why?
Post by: ShiningShadow on November 14, 2006, 11:49:54 AM
Quote from: Stygian on November 14, 2006, 08:39:36 AM
Poor twinks. Trying to stop them. Geez.

Oh man I forgot those twinks. Getting the brunt of the rage of Wildley and co. Hmmmmmmmmmm axes all around with a hint of fire magic.  :mwaha :mwaha :mwaha
Title: Re: Cubi dislike Dragons Why?
Post by: Grenn on November 15, 2006, 10:49:28 PM
Abel seemed fine with this dragon....

http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_654.php

He even seemed intimidated :D
Title: Re: Cubi dislike Dragons Why?
Post by: Aridas on November 15, 2006, 10:54:08 PM
I'm not sure if that's a dragon. It's got several features that could make it one of... maybe 3 different species... sometimes i think this ambiguity is intentional...
Title: Re: Cubi dislike Dragons Why?
Post by: Amber Williams on November 16, 2006, 01:26:55 PM
BlueRay is a dragon.
Title: Re: Cubi dislike Dragons Why?
Post by: Zedd on November 16, 2006, 01:28:17 PM
Amber...Thanks for clearing that up
Title: Re: Cubi dislike Dragons Why?
Post by: ShiningShadow on November 16, 2006, 01:45:07 PM
So at those examples that the Cubi race always have a hatred for the Dragons. So it's a power struggle for superiority that's the bottom line.
Title: Re: Cubi dislike Dragons Why?
Post by: Faerie Alex on November 16, 2006, 03:54:02 PM
Quote from: Grenn on November 15, 2006, 10:49:28 PM
Abel seemed fine with this dragon....

http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_654.php

He even seemed intimidated :D
http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_530.php
Also, what about the blue creature in the third panel? Is that a dragon?
Title: Re: Cubi dislike Dragons Why?
Post by: Amber Williams on November 16, 2006, 04:24:28 PM
That would be a Mythos.   If you could see his lower-half you would notice a whole lot more water and a whole lot more legs.
Title: Re: Cubi dislike Dragons Why?
Post by: Tapewolf on November 16, 2006, 04:30:06 PM
Quote from: Amber Panyko on November 16, 2006, 04:24:28 PM
That would be a Mythos.   If you could see his lower-half you would notice a whole lot more water and a whole lot more legs.

You mean that's a pool they're leaning out of?  Interesting.
Title: Re: Cubi dislike Dragons Why?
Post by: llearch n'n'daCorna on November 16, 2006, 06:08:47 PM
Quote from: Tapewolf on November 16, 2006, 04:30:06 PM
You mean that's a pool they're leaning out of?  Interesting.

They've got a library, they've got a gym, they have a pool. No surprises there, but SAIA has -everything-.

... I wonder if it has a mall...
Title: Re: Cubi dislike Dragons Why?
Post by: Stygian on November 17, 2006, 10:08:34 AM
Yah. I wonder where they get the funding? Perhaps the whole place is actually a bor... *SLAP!*

(You all knew it. You did.)
Title: Re: Cubi dislike Dragons Why?
Post by: ShiningShadow on November 17, 2006, 02:07:21 PM
They have everything at the academy I still think it's a launching stage for the Cubi to attack the Dragons and change destiny to the Cubi race.
Title: Re: Cubi dislike Dragons Why?
Post by: Aridas on November 17, 2006, 05:33:33 PM
you're ALWAYS thinking some war or chaos or fight or dramafest is going to happen. Stop it. This is DMFA.
Title: Re: Cubi dislike Dragons Why?
Post by: Tapewolf on November 17, 2006, 05:36:12 PM
Quote from: llearch n'n'daCorna on November 16, 2006, 06:08:47 PM
Quote from: Tapewolf on November 16, 2006, 04:30:06 PM
You mean that's a pool they're leaning out of?  Interesting.
They've got a library, they've got a gym, they have a pool. No surprises there, but SAIA has -everything-.

I hadn't realised the mythos was an aquatic creature.  SAIA is naturally going to have a pool or two somewhere...
Title: Re: Cubi dislike Dragons Why?
Post by: ShiningShadow on November 17, 2006, 06:53:01 PM
Do you think the academy thought of everything for the other species? Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm I don't like it it's sort of putting the other species in a lull of false security and *WHAM* trap sprung that's how I see it.
Title: Re: Cubi dislike Dragons Why?
Post by: llearch n'n'daCorna on November 17, 2006, 07:32:43 PM
Quote from: Tapewolf on November 17, 2006, 05:36:12 PM
Quote from: llearch n'n'daCorna on November 16, 2006, 06:08:47 PM
They've got a library, they've got a gym, they have a pool. No surprises there, but SAIA has -everything-.
I hadn't realised the mythos was an aquatic creature.  SAIA is naturally going to have a pool or two somewhere...

To be perfectly honest, I hadn't realised it, either.

It was just too good a chance to paraphrase Blues Brothers to pass up :-)
Title: Re: Cubi dislike Dragons Why?
Post by: Zedd on November 17, 2006, 09:21:49 PM
Quote from: llearch n'n'daCorna on November 17, 2006, 07:32:43 PM
Quote from: Tapewolf on November 17, 2006, 05:36:12 PM
Quote from: llearch n'n'daCorna on November 16, 2006, 06:08:47 PM
They've got a library, they've got a gym, they have a pool. No surprises there, but SAIA has -everything-.
I hadn't realised the mythos was an aquatic creature.  SAIA is naturally going to have a pool or two somewhere...

To be perfectly honest, I hadn't realised it, either.

It was just too good a chance to paraphrase Blues Brothers to pass up :-)


I'll be Dan Aykroyd cause I dont wanna be John Belushi
Title: Re: Cubi dislike Dragons Why?
Post by: Stygian on November 17, 2006, 09:43:45 PM
I'll be the guy who shoots them both.

I'm very much wondering whether there is some form of "inner sanctum" or laboratories or stuff at SAIA. That would definitely be something the dragons would want to know about...
Title: Re: Cubi dislike Dragons Why?
Post by: Tapewolf on November 18, 2006, 07:53:04 AM
Quote from: llearch n'n'daCorna on November 17, 2006, 07:32:43 PM
It was just too good a chance to paraphrase Blues Brothers to pass up :-)

Damn.
Title: Re: Cubi dislike Dragons Why?
Post by: Kibin on November 18, 2006, 11:06:35 AM
I wonder if SAIA has internet access with the outside world.
Title: Re: Cubi dislike Dragons Why?
Post by: Tapewolf on November 18, 2006, 01:23:31 PM
Quote from: Kibin on November 18, 2006, 11:06:35 AM
I wonder if SAIA has internet access with the outside world.

Given that the Furrae industrial revolution seems to be roughly in lockstep with ours, I really don't know.
Given 'cubi lifespans it's quite possible that the SAIA IT department - if it has one - is still crowing about their new DEC minicomputer ("of course it's new.. it's only 20 years old.  It doesn't have a single valve in it!")

That might not be the case of course, but it's a nice image :P

Even if they are 20 years behind that doesn't preclude an internet connection of course, it's just that they would still be using gopher and telnet - IF it's possible to connect the Academy through the magical barrier.
Title: Re: Cubi dislike Dragons Why?
Post by: superluser on November 18, 2006, 09:52:56 PM
Quote from: Tapewolf on November 18, 2006, 01:23:31 PMGiven 'cubi lifespans it's quite possible that the SAIA IT department - if it has one - is still crowing about their new DEC minicomputer

Ooh!  I hope they have a PDP-8.

I can't wait to see what happens when they get to the dragvax hoax.
Title: Re: Cubi dislike Dragons Why?
Post by: Damaris on November 18, 2006, 11:04:47 PM
Keep in mind, Aary had a livejournal.  I don't think they're that far behind.
Title: Re: Cubi dislike Dragons Why?
Post by: LionHeart on November 19, 2006, 02:55:06 AM
Wasn't Aary introduced to LiveJournal after she left SAIA?

I seem to remember that it was one of the Lost Lake crew that put her on to it...
Title: Re: Cubi dislike Dragons Why?
Post by: Distracting on November 19, 2006, 03:09:33 AM
Well for a lot of all this new fangled "computer" stuff, you've gotta have at least a little working with them or else you're just screwing yourself up...over and over again. Considering that she seemed to be proficient enough with it, one can only assume that she would have had to have had at least nominal experience with computers and the internet. Maybe the library has them or something...or they just have first generation ones.
Title: Re: Cubi dislike Dragons Why?
Post by: llearch n'n'daCorna on November 19, 2006, 04:25:33 AM
Quote from: LionHeart on November 19, 2006, 02:55:06 AM
Wasn't Aary introduced to LiveJournal after she left SAIA?

I seem to remember that it was one of the Lost Lake crew that put her on to it...

Dan. In order to introduce her to somewhere where she can find other "angsty emotional types"....

Title: Re: Cubi dislike Dragons Why?
Post by: Tapewolf on November 19, 2006, 06:00:35 AM
Quote from: LionHeart on November 19, 2006, 02:55:06 AM
Wasn't Aary introduced to LiveJournal after she left SAIA?

Indeed.  As Llearch says, it was Dan what done it.  Apparently she was still expecting to find griffin-wagons having totally missed the industrial revolution let alone the information age.  That's from the Livejournal, though, so take it with a grain of salt.
Also, don't forget Abel and Longtail's camera.  Abel might well have seen a camera before, but not one with post-1970s styling (that it's digital isn't really relevant).
Aary's LJ also says that Jyrras was able to get a wifi connection from inside the sewers, but that's more likely to be poached from some other source that they're travelling below en-route.

The library itself speaks volumes.  Granted we don't know when the picture is dated, but look at what we've got.  The lighting might be electrical but magic is more likely.  Look at the Librarian's desk.  She's got what appears to be a vellum ledger (or maybe paper) and a quill - not a biro or even a fountain pen, and most certainly not a DEC VT100 so as of this picture, the librarian at least hasn't caught up with 1979.
Methinks you are not likely to find any internet terminals there  >:3

Now granted SAIA has vending machines so it's not completely isolated.  With a satellite linkup, some laptops and an ad-hoc wifi network, a bunch of geeks who woke up with wings on their heads one day could put together a pretty usable connection on their own.  But even if that's the case, the SAIA IT department might still be stuck in the 80s.
(The UWE didn't allow people to connect ZIP drives to their machines and they didn't get any themselves until after ZIP was obsolete as a format.  Smaller scale, but you get the picture.)
Title: Re: Cubi dislike Dragons Why?
Post by: Kasarn on November 19, 2006, 06:25:22 AM
Quote from: Tapewolf on November 19, 2006, 06:00:35 AM
Methinks you are not likely to find any internet terminals there  >:3

Who needs internet terminals when you have...
FurraeOL 9.0: now available on your crystal ball!

:O
Title: Re: Cubi dislike Dragons Why?
Post by: Zedd on November 19, 2006, 05:42:20 PM
Quote from: Kasarn on November 19, 2006, 06:25:22 AM
Quote from: Tapewolf on November 19, 2006, 06:00:35 AM
Methinks you are not likely to find any internet terminals there  >:3

Who needs internet terminals when you have...
FurraeOL 9.0: now available on your crystal ball!

:O

Damn thing always made my freaking genine server crash...
Title: Re: Cubi dislike Dragons Why?
Post by: superluser on November 19, 2006, 09:02:29 PM
Quote from: Tapewolf on November 19, 2006, 06:00:35 AMAlso, don't forget Abel and Longtail's camera.  Abel might well have seen a camera before, but not one with post-1970s styling (that it's digital isn't really relevant).

Well, what about the Brownie (http://www.brownie-camera.com/posters/pages/099_1961.shtml)?  At least a few versions of that looked a lot like that digital camera.

Oh, and `biro?'

Where on Earth do the still use that?  Last time I heard it was in connection with Veet Voojagig, and that was in the early 80's.
Title: Re: Cubi dislike Dragons Why?
Post by: Tapewolf on November 20, 2006, 04:47:27 AM
Quote from: superluser on November 19, 2006, 09:02:29 PM
Quote from: Tapewolf on November 19, 2006, 06:00:35 AMAlso, don't forget Abel and Longtail's camera.  Abel might well have seen a camera before, but not one with post-1970s styling (that it's digital isn't really relevant).
Well, what about the Brownie (http://www.brownie-camera.com/posters/pages/099_1961.shtml)?  At least a few versions of that looked a lot like that digital camera.

Good point.

QuoteOh, and 'biro?'
Where on Earth do the still use that?  Last time I heard it was in connection with Veet Voojagig, and that was in the early 80's.

Bad point.  Perhaps where you live people no longer need to write things down, or perhaps you use pencils.  Here we use ballpoint pens.

**EDIT**
Oh, in case this is some stupid language barrier problem and not simply malice, 'Biro' is used as a generic term for 'ballpoint pen' in most English-speaking countries.  Knowing my luck the US is the only one that doesn't.
Title: Re: Cubi dislike Dragons Why?
Post by: superluser on November 20, 2006, 05:38:21 AM
Quote from: Tapewolf on November 20, 2006, 04:47:27 AM**EDIT**
Oh, in case this is some stupid language barrier problem and not simply malice, 'Biro' is used as a generic term for 'ballpoint pen' in most English-speaking countries.

Still?

I was under the impression that the usage was on its way out, seeing as how I hadn't heard it since the novelization of the HHGTTG.  Then again, I do live in the States, although I do consume a sizable amount of British culture, so I would have expected to come across it.
Title: Re: Cubi dislike Dragons Why?
Post by: Tapewolf on November 20, 2006, 05:41:37 AM
Quote from: superluser on November 20, 2006, 05:38:21 AM
I was under the impression that the usage was on its way out, seeing as how I hadn't heard it since the novelization of the HHGTTG.  Then again, I do live in the States, although I do consume a sizable amount of British culture, so I would have expected to come across it.

Way to make me feel old.
Title: Re: Cubi dislike Dragons Why?
Post by: ShiningShadow on November 20, 2006, 07:29:31 AM
But TW what about Mabs searching the web going on ebay and buying 80's memorabilia I think the time line of Furrae is around early to late eighties coming to 1990. I think with Jyrass help the internet is coming around to a select few very slowly. Maybe its something too dangerous to have around imagine all races being on line all the time hmmmmmmmmmmmm. Also imagine Dragons searching looking trying to figure out  the inner sanctum at the Saia Academy. Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm curiouser, crosier but in any case I think the internet is there but not everybody has it.
Title: Re: Cubi dislike Dragons Why?
Post by: Tapewolf on November 20, 2006, 07:41:06 AM
Quote from: ShiningShadow on November 20, 2006, 07:29:31 AM
But TW what about Mabs searching the web going on ebay and buying 80's memorabilia I think the time line of Furrae is around early to late eighties coming to 1990.
Yes, but the point is that the 'cubi who've been at SAIA for 400 years have missed all that, hence Abel is going through a bit of a culture-shock.  Assuming SAIA has a cinema or TV, that's the closest most 'cubi are going to get to the outside world until their course ends or they go on some kind of fieldwork.

If Abel has seen a camera, it's looking more like it was a Victorian-era one and not a hand-held unit.  Otherwise he would have recognised what she was doing, irrespective of the camera's styling  >:3
Title: Re: Cubi dislike Dragons Why?
Post by: Izkata on November 20, 2006, 12:53:03 PM
Quote from: Tapewolf on November 20, 2006, 04:47:27 AM
QuoteOh, and 'biro?'
Where on Earth do the still use that?  Last time I heard it was in connection with Veet Voojagig, and that was in the early 80's.

Bad point.  Perhaps where you live people no longer need to write things down, or perhaps you use pencils.  Here we use ballpoint pens.

**EDIT**
Oh, in case this is some stupid language barrier problem and not simply malice, 'Biro' is used as a generic term for 'ballpoint pen' in most English-speaking countries.  Knowing my luck the US is the only one that doesn't.

The generic term in the US (at least around here) is "pen(s)".  Isn't "Biro" a brand of pen?
Title: Re: Cubi dislike Dragons Why?
Post by: superluser on November 20, 2006, 12:57:03 PM
Quote from: Tapewolf on November 20, 2006, 07:41:06 AMIf Abel has seen a camera, it's looking more like it was a Victorian-era one and not a hand-held unit.  Otherwise he would have recognised what she was doing, irrespective of the camera's styling  >:3

Ohhh...Camera!

As in camera obscura (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Camera_obscura)!  I'll bet he's seen one of those!

Oh, and Izkata, Laszlo Biro invented the ballpoint.

(NOT the Balls-Pond.)
Title: Re: Cubi dislike Dragons Why?
Post by: Tapewolf on November 20, 2006, 01:02:34 PM
Quote from: superluser on November 20, 2006, 12:57:03 PM
Ohhh...Camera!

As in camera obscura!  I'll bet he's seen one of those!

Indeed, but it wouldn't prepare him for the concept of someone recording him stripping off with a small box made from plastic  >:3
(He does seem to know about plastics, though.)
Title: Re: Cubi dislike Dragons Why?
Post by: ShiningShadow on November 20, 2006, 01:03:50 PM
Quote from: Tapewolf on November 20, 2006, 07:41:06 AM
Quote from: ShiningShadow on November 20, 2006, 07:29:31 AM
But TW what about Mabs searching the web going on ebay and buying 80's memorabilia I think the time line of Furrae is around early to late eighties coming to 1990.
Yes, but the point is that the 'cubi who've been at SAIA for 400 years have missed all that, hence Abel is going through a bit of a culture-shock.  Assuming SAIA has a cinema or TV, that's the closest most 'cubi are going to get to the outside world until their course ends or they go on some kind of fieldwork.

If Abel has seen a camera, it's looking more like it was a Victorian-era one and not a hand-held unit.  Otherwise he would have recognised what she was doing, irrespective of the camera's styling  >:3

So they are completely isolated techno wise till the Professors deemed so if a student should know the techno of the outside world. Field trips are supposed to be taken with permission from the faculty to see the wonders of this technology. And catch a flick or two while you're at it.
Title: Re: Cubi dislike Dragons Why?
Post by: superluser on November 20, 2006, 01:41:11 PM
Quote from: Tapewolf on November 20, 2006, 01:02:34 PM
Quote from: superluser on November 20, 2006, 12:57:03 PM
Ohhh...Camera!

As in camera obscura!  I'll bet he's seen one of those!

Indeed, but it wouldn't prepare him for the concept of someone recording him stripping off with a small box made from plastic  >:3

Egg-zactly.  If he's been at SAIA for 400 years, he's not only missed out on point-and-shoot cameras, but also Victorian style cameras, SLRs, and anything involving photography.

The closest that he would have come would have been the aforementioned camera obscura, which seems to have become known to the West by the 15th-17th centuries.
Title: Re: Cubi dislike Dragons Why?
Post by: Stygian on November 20, 2006, 02:28:42 PM
Am I the only one slightly annoyed at the fact that Abel's childhood in excess of three hundred years into the past seems awfully modern...?
Title: Re: Cubi dislike Dragons Why?
Post by: Tapewolf on November 20, 2006, 03:12:32 PM
Quote from: Stygian on November 20, 2006, 02:28:42 PM
Am I the only one slightly annoyed at the fact that Abel's childhood in excess of three hundred years into the past seems awfully modern...?

I must admit I was vaguely disappointed by what appeared to be aluminium double-glazing in the house of his birth.  Amber explained this with the notion that their society is more magic-oriented, so they have magical processes to smelt aluminium (which requires electricity, IIRC) and produce sheet-glass.  Even in the Victorian era, it was mostly plate glass IIRC, which meant windows were constructed from many small panes which had lots of distortions and other curious optical properties.
But if you've got magical foundries to produce this stuff cheaply, I guess you would have a curious mix of technologies.
Apparently Furrae still has high-tech centres and rural backwaters..
Title: Re: Cubi dislike Dragons Why?
Post by: GabrielsThoughts on November 20, 2006, 03:55:13 PM
I'd just assume it is the "transient pulse theory" where a society evolves to the point where they become unable to repair or reproduce the technology they invented in the first place, save for a select few who think the technology, or knowledge  they have appears to be magical in origin. Creating a feudal system hundreds of years later,  When the people on the grunt level start developing their own technologies re-creating something that was forgotten centuries earlier the magic users are themselves incapable of reproducing it with out the knowledge associated with it.  In a hundred years Jyrras will be known as a technical wizzard, a hundred years after that he will be known as just a wizzard and the cycle would continue.   
Title: Re: Cubi dislike Dragons Why?
Post by: Tapewolf on November 20, 2006, 04:22:54 PM
Quote from: GabrielsThoughts on November 20, 2006, 03:55:13 PM
I'd just assume it is the "transient pulse theory" where a society evolves to the point where they become unable to repair or reproduce the technology they invented in the first place, save for a select few who think the technology, or knowledge they have appears to be magical in origin.
The only slight issue with that is that Furrae has a lot of races which live for thousands of years, even millions.  Technology seems to get more fragile as it gets more advanced, so it seems to me that all evidence it actually existed will be lost before the people who invented it die themselves.  (Of course it doesn't necessarily follow that someone who invented something 2000 years ago will quite remember how..)
Title: Re: Cubi dislike Dragons Why?
Post by: Zedd on November 20, 2006, 04:51:00 PM
Dought anyone answered my question yet
Title: Re: Cubi dislike Dragons Why?
Post by: superluser on November 20, 2006, 05:38:54 PM
Quote from: Zedd on November 20, 2006, 04:51:00 PM
Dought anyone answered my question yet

What question?  Lime tic-tacs?  Haven't seen those recently.

That's the only one I've seen you ask in this thread.  If you're talking about another question, I'll be glad to help if you specify what it is you're asking.
Title: Re: Cubi dislike Dragons Why?
Post by: Aridas on November 20, 2006, 05:50:30 PM
We could all just assume furrae and "our world" don't overlap perfectly... being completely different and fictional and whatnot.
Title: Re: Cubi dislike Dragons Why?
Post by: Zedd on November 20, 2006, 06:34:49 PM
What sort of currentcy is used in this relam and how is it exchanged...That be cool see a famous furre on a paper bill XD  Oh noes Mab is on a 2 dollar bill!
Title: Re: Cubi dislike Dragons Why?
Post by: ShiningShadow on November 21, 2006, 07:32:50 AM
But if these technolgies are somewhat from a race 2000 years ago and Jyrass has that techie ability to figure out what is these objects and what use they can be used. That's why there a board of these Furrae powerful are in charge to see if these technologies are useful or a threat to their society.
Title: Re: Cubi dislike Dragons Why?
Post by: Tapewolf on November 21, 2006, 07:51:57 AM
Quote from: ShiningShadow on November 21, 2006, 07:32:50 AM
But if these technolgies are somewhat from a race 2000 years ago and Jyrras has that techie ability to figure out what is these objects and what use they can be used.
To survive that length of time at all it would have to be pretty basic.  Screws can rust away to nothing in about a quarter of that and I could write reams about the problems of even 20-year-old electronics.  The only way there would be any artifacts to study would be if they were put under some kind of magical preservation to begin with - a stasis field (a'la The Soft Weapon) or some kind of anti-entropy enchantment.

Title: Re: Cubi dislike Dragons Why?
Post by: GabrielsThoughts on November 21, 2006, 10:44:11 AM
well, we can assume that most of the laws of physics apply to furrae. and we can also assume that the comuter technology is more advanced than ours by about five or ten years (notes Jyrras lab). I would also like to point out that if they may have developed technologhy in a different order. imagine the advances our medical technologies, or even our mechanical ones could have made if the ones who invented them lived over a thousand years concidering the average lifespan is between 75-120
Title: Re: Cubi dislike Dragons Why?
Post by: e_voyager on November 21, 2006, 09:52:00 PM
even with all of that take into account the life span of the creatures, dragons, cubi and mythos and there reaction to his toys. their  interest would suggest that he is making new things not recovering the old as these are toys that that don't seem to know already
'
Title: Re: Cubi dislike Dragons Why?
Post by: superluser on November 21, 2006, 09:58:09 PM
Quote from: GabrielsThoughts on November 21, 2006, 10:44:11 AMI would also like to point out that if they may have developed technologhy in a different order.

Where's James Burke when you need him?
Title: Re: Cubi dislike Dragons Why?
Post by: ShiningShadow on November 22, 2006, 07:20:04 AM
Quote from: e_voyager on November 21, 2006, 09:52:00 PM
even with all of that take into account the life span of the creatures, dragons, cubi and mythos and there reaction to his toys. their  interest would suggest that he is making new things not recovering the old as these are toys that that don't seem to know already
'
:yeahthat

But I have not seen any of the things Jyrass have made been put in production. But maybe is in slow increments so the land of Furrare will not be inundated with stuff that could be or not dangerous.
Title: Re: Cubi dislike Dragons Why?
Post by: e_voyager on November 22, 2006, 07:27:10 AM
well he is rich and Matilda did talk about putting homes in his products specifficly his toasters so he had to make something that's widely distributed.
Title: Re: Cubi dislike Dragons Why?
Post by: ShiningShadow on November 22, 2006, 07:35:03 AM
That's what im talking about little things like that. Those things are the safe ones. I think in Furrare they have a high morals in the sense of inventionts etc.
Title: Re: Cubi dislike Dragons Why?
Post by: keybounce on December 06, 2006, 02:07:44 AM
Quote from: Amber Panyko on November 16, 2006, 01:26:55 PM
BlueRay is a dragon.
Sorry, which one is BlueRay? He's not listed on the cast page.
Title: Re: Cubi dislike Dragons Why?
Post by: Aridas on December 06, 2006, 02:22:18 AM
Cameos aren't listed on the cast page. I don't even think any other once-in-a-blue-moon insignificant characters are even on the cast page....
Title: Re: Cubi dislike Dragons Why?
Post by: thetire on December 07, 2006, 08:38:29 PM
wow, this thread lasted a long time... does it have a pool too?

oh, and Mab is secretly a dragon. Look in your heart and know it to be true.
Title: Re: Cubi dislike Dragons Why?
Post by: Zedd on December 07, 2006, 08:40:05 PM
Quote from: Zander on December 07, 2006, 08:38:29 PM
wow, this thread lasted a long time... does it have a pool too?

oh, and Mab is secretly a dragon. Look in your heart and know it to be true.


*holds onto a pole from high up and dressed like Luke and has one hand as well* No its not true...Thats inposable!!!...NOOOOOO!!! Noooo....  :U
Title: Re: Cubi dislike Dragons Why?
Post by: GabrielsThoughts on December 07, 2006, 09:34:53 PM
Quote from: e_voyager on November 22, 2006, 07:27:10 AM
well he is rich and Matilda did talk about putting homes in his products specifficly his toasters so he had to make something that's widely distributed.

You realize Amber was pulling a Ghostbuster refrence.
Title: Re: Cubi dislike Dragons Why?
Post by: komissarmakarov on December 07, 2006, 09:58:28 PM
Quote from: Tapewolf on November 20, 2006, 04:22:54 PM
Quote from: GabrielsThoughts on November 20, 2006, 03:55:13 PM
I'd just assume it is the "transient pulse theory" where a society evolves to the point where they become unable to repair or reproduce the technology they invented in the first place, save for a select few who think the technology, or knowledge they have appears to be magical in origin.
The only slight issue with that is that Furrae has a lot of races which live for thousands of years, even millions.  Technology seems to get more fragile as it gets more advanced, so it seems to me that all evidence it actually existed will be lost before the people who invented it die themselves.  (Of course it doesn't necessarily follow that someone who invented something 2000 years ago will quite remember how..)

(the thread was mostly tl, so I dr)

Aaanyway, to paraphrase J. Micheal Straczynski:

"In Furrae, technology evolves at the speed of plot".

P/S: Any of you Warhammer 40K fans think of the Imperium when you saw this post?
Title: Re: Cubi dislike Dragons Why?
Post by: e_voyager on December 08, 2006, 01:56:15 AM
Quote from: GabrielsThoughts on December 07, 2006, 09:34:53 PM
Quote from: e_voyager on November 22, 2006, 07:27:10 AM
well he is rich and Matilda did talk about putting homes in his products specifficly his toasters so he had to make something that's widely distributed.

You realize Amber was pulling a Ghostbuster refrence.

honestly i did not. i have not seen ghostbusters since around 1992