Ouch. Oh dear. It would seem that Dark Pegasus knows how to fight Cubi. I think Dan's gonna need a save from Lorenda or Kria.
Offhand... I don't think Destania was expecting this. Unless she's trying to teach Dan that he's not powerful enough and needs to go to SAIA to learn how to control his powers.
Disappointing.
DP sure has a calm way of fighting... educative as well, it's like if he wanted his adversary to learn something from him...
And I'm expecting a Lorenda's intervention right abooooooout now
Quote from: Janus Whitefurr on March 15, 2009, 02:38:57 AM
Disappointing.
Disappointing, how exactly? I mean, we have three panels of action, we learn more about the Cubi race, and we finally see Dan's clan mark start to manifest.
Quote from: Silver Pomeranian Genji on March 15, 2009, 02:47:28 AM
Quote from: Janus Whitefurr on March 15, 2009, 02:38:57 AM
Disappointing.
Disappointing, how exactly? I mean, we have three panels of action, we lear more a bout the Cubi race, and we finally see Dan's clan mark start to manifest.
Holy... I think you're right. Nice catch. I just thought that was like a loose feather or something. That is very interesting...
Quote from: Silver Pomeranian Genji on March 15, 2009, 02:47:28 AM
Quote from: Janus Whitefurr on March 15, 2009, 02:38:57 AM
Disappointing.
Disappointing, how exactly? I mean, we have three panels of action, we lear more a bout the Cubi race, and we finally see Dan's clan mark start to manifest.
Granted it may be a cliffhanger. But still. Hero gets the utter shafting in combat, again. Film at eleven!
OUCH!!
*winces*
What the heck is he DOING, ripping his heart out?!?!?
Erk- :erk
That was...
Somewhat expected, but still. :erk
My apologies if this is getting annoying, but I like to keep track....
Three more pages to the tie with Chapter 18, four more to the broken record.
So possibly sometime by the end of next week?
Quote from: Silver Pomeranian Genji on March 15, 2009, 02:47:28 AM
Quote from: Janus Whitefurr on March 15, 2009, 02:38:57 AM
Disappointing.
Disappointing, how exactly? I mean, we have three panels of action, we learn more a bout the Cubi race, and we finally see Dan's clan mark start to manifest.
Took note of that mark when I first saw the comic. :boogie Maybe the pain has to do something with it? Pain is Cyra Clan's trademark emotion.
It could be worse..Trust me, FAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRR worse
Well Dee knows how hard Dan's head is (in several ways) -- so maybe this is her way of driving home the lesson "You need to go to SAIA and learn how not to get killed you idiot, because you have no idea what you are now and what you can and cannot do". I don't think she'd be too worried about Dan getting killed here though, since he's handled DP several times before as just a being.
I expect Dan to get thrown down by DP (or free himself with his wings with similar results), then Regina will stupidly come over to gloat (this is Regina we're talking about remember) -- and Dan will hammer her smug face again and get a Cubi powerup. He'll be back into the fray then with a bit more caution and control. Nothing like getting your butt handed to you to encourage a little attitude adjustment.
Whoa, hey, missed the bit about his clan mark starting to manifest. Sweet!
Well, I can't say I'm entirely surprised. DP was too level-headed about it, and Dan too rash. I wonder how he's going to get out of this one? The clan mark is a surprise, though (I missed it too).
Quote from: tiggertoo on March 15, 2009, 03:04:35 AM
I don't think she'd be too worried about Dan getting killed here though, since he's handled DP several times before as just a being.
The interesting thing is that Kria knows how to resurrect people (and the problem of 'not all of him comes back' probably doesn't apply if Dan is only clinically dead rather than a few days out of date. She might still be able to extract payment from him yet.
Quote from: tiggertoo on March 15, 2009, 03:04:35 AM
Well Dee knows how hard Dan's head is (in several ways) -- so maybe this is her way of driving home the lesson "You need to go to SAIA and learn how not to get killed you idiot, because you have no idea what you are now and what you can and cannot do". I don't think she'd be too worried about Dan getting killed here though, since he's handled DP several times before as just a being.
Ahem....
...but then he had his magical robe, which he no longer does....
<.<
>.>
I saw the clan marking appering and I rushed here to post about it but we have a sharp eyed bunch here.
Also I think Watani is on to something but more than that. Dr. Ink told Dan that not only he gets the fear and pain meal but the thrill of battle and fighting for the good of many. http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_528.php
So this is a special made feast for Dan. Super powerboost level up
Um....
Where is it...?
*feels sheepish*
Seriously, I can't find the clan marking....
EDIT: Wait, is it that TINY THING on his back in the first panel...?
Quote from: Baal Hadad on March 15, 2009, 03:11:52 AM
Um....
Where is it...?
*feels sheepish*
Seriously, I can't find the clan marking....
right solder little blue spots in a swirly pattren
Quote from: LoneHowler on March 15, 2009, 03:12:54 AM
Quote from: Baal Hadad on March 15, 2009, 03:11:52 AM
Um....
Where is it...?
*feels sheepish*
Seriously, I can't find the clan marking....
right solder little blue spots in a swirly pattren
Oh. Then what IS that tiny black thing on his back in the first panel...?
Just slowly starting to manifest... one piece at a time... swirling from within the depths of his soul... tying him to his clan and bloodline ever tighter and tighter...
Sorry, felt like being melodramatic.
Quote from: Baal Hadad on March 15, 2009, 03:14:01 AM
Quote from: LoneHowler on March 15, 2009, 03:12:54 AM
Quote from: Baal Hadad on March 15, 2009, 03:11:52 AM
Um....
Where is it...?
*feels sheepish*
Seriously, I can't find the clan marking....
right solder little blue spots in a swirly pattren
Oh. Then what IS that tiny black thing on his back in the first panel...?
Probably just his fur/a bit of shadows. Nothing too important.
Ah, I see. Thanks. :)
I do believe, by the way, that DP is incorrect. Dan's head is still likely the toughest (or at least hardest) part of his body!
Quote from: Tikki on March 15, 2009, 03:16:34 AM
I do believe, by the way, that DP is incorrect. Dan's head is still likely the toughest (or at least hardest) part of his body!
So, if DP had tried to stab Dan's head, then Dan would be alright right now! Or dead. One of the two.
DP is ahead, but note that the first two panels show that DP's wings
have taken injury from Dan's wing tentacles. The left wing looks like it's been cut to the bone.
Now, Dan can use his own pain, will it be enough?
And does Dan's beginning to manifest clan mark mean he's on the threshold of another level up?
Quote from: Baal Hadad on March 15, 2009, 03:10:26 AM
Ahem....
...but then he had his magical robe, which he no longer does....
<.<
>.>
Dee surely didn't miss that.
Quote from: LoneHowler on March 15, 2009, 03:10:50 AM
I saw the clan marking appering and I rushed here to post about it but we have a sharp eyed bunch here.
Also I think Watani is on to something but more than that. Dr. Ink told Dan that not only he gets the fear and pain meal but the thrill of battle and fighting for the good of many. http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_528.php
So this is a special made feast for Dan. Super powerboost level up
Fear, as such, isn't an emotion Dan has any special affinity for. But the rest.... oh yeah, Dan affinities are practically optimized for battle.
I can see afterward Dan seeing out and enrolling in classes teaching how to use your wings in combat. Although considering Saia he may not like the practice models
http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_386.php
Quote from: Jairus on March 15, 2009, 03:17:47 AM
So, if DP had tried to stab Dan's head, then Dan would be alright right now! Or dead. One of the two.
Slicing through his ribcage with diamond claws is probably not going to do much good either. Though I notice DP isn't exactly unscathed either. Dan's ripped into both his wings, the second panel is actually quite 'Ewww!'
Hmm. I seem to recall much discussion on the whole demons being able to make their skin diamond hard etc etc. Is DP not doing this on purpose? Or did the attack catch him that much off guard? Cause jeeze, you can see bone in panel 3. The detail in these comics is amazing. Now i look at my drawings and just hang my head in shame.
Quote from: Teh_Hobo on March 15, 2009, 03:23:08 AM
Hmm. I seem to recall much discussion on the whole demons being able to make their skin diamond hard etc etc. Is DP not doing this on purpose? Or did the attack catch him that much off guard? Cause jeeze, you can see bone in panel 3. The detail in these comics is amazing. Now i look at my drawings and just hang my head in shame.
Or Cubi tentacles can become sharp enough to cut diamond. Which would be awesome. And regarding the drawing thing... welcome to my world. Though, to be fair, Amber is well practiced at this by now.
Quote from: Tapewolf on March 15, 2009, 03:22:11 AM
Quote from: Jairus on March 15, 2009, 03:17:47 AM
So, if DP had tried to stab Dan's head, then Dan would be alright right now! Or dead. One of the two.
Slicing through his ribcage with diamond claws is probably not going to do much good either. Though I notice DP isn't exactly unscathed either. Dan's ripped into both his wings, the second panel is actually quite 'Ewww!'
I was kinda joking with my comment there. But Dan seems to be giving pretty well, at least until the third panel.
Quote from: Baal Hadad on March 15, 2009, 03:10:26 AM
Quote from: tiggertoo on March 15, 2009, 03:04:35 AM
Well Dee knows how hard Dan's head is (in several ways) -- so maybe this is her way of driving home the lesson "You need to go to SAIA and learn how not to get killed you idiot, because you have no idea what you are now and what you can and cannot do". I don't think she'd be too worried about Dan getting killed here though, since he's handled DP several times before as just a being.
Ahem....
...but then he had his magical robe, which he no longer does....
<.<
>.>
Well, the last time Dan and DP threw down, Dan tossed off his robe for the final showdown. http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_154.php
Of course, the results from that were sorta mixed, to say the least (though neither were using magic in the final fight - so the robe probably wouldn't have mattered one way or the other). Still, he's got some extra advantages this time, if he just cools off a bit and uses them properly, along with his adventurer skills.
My my. Is that bone I see on DP's arm? Nasty cut.
I hope that's not his thumb in Dan's heart, though.
Cyra clan symbol! We're gonna see magic! YAY!
When is Dan actually going to win a fight? Seriously. Isn't he supposed to be an adventurer? Because he is NOT acting like it. He didn't even bring his freaking sword.
When the hero loses once or twice for story purposes, that's one thing. But getting beaten and humiliated time and again and again and again, it's extremely frustrating. Having wins and losses is great. Having flawed wins is also great. But outright losing or getting humiliated like this so many times... it's frustrating at the very least. Even if he somehow managed to beat DP now, the thunder is done and gone. It was taken with that extremely dire blow.
(Also, doesn't this one kinda blow past the PG rating?)
Quote from: Jairus on March 15, 2009, 03:24:59 AM
Or Cubi tentacles can become sharp enough to cut diamond. Which would be awesome. And regarding the drawing thing... welcome to my world. Though, to be fair, Amber is well practiced at this by now.
They can go through rock, metal etc if you're good with them. Dan isn't.
Quote from: Cvstos on March 15, 2009, 03:46:09 AM
When is Dan actually going to win a fight? Seriously. Isn't he supposed to be an adventurer? Because he is NOT acting like it. He didn't even bring his freaking sword.
Well, it's not over yet. For all we know Dan's about to tentacle his heart or lop his head off from behind.
Also, he can summon swords.
Quote(Also, doesn't this one kinda blow past the PG rating?)
IMHO, yes it does.
Quote from: Baal Hadad on March 15, 2009, 03:10:26 AM
Ahem....
...but then he had his magical robe, which he no longer does....
The robe wasn't enchanted against physical attacks, just magical. And there's no sign that anyone's using magic in this fight yet. Dan might not know enough (and has a childhood aversion to it) and DP might be too freshly raised to use any.
DP has delivered a painful blow, but it won't be fatal.
Dan's like some candy, hard shell with a soft center, and that's easy to get at provided you have the right tools.
Finally found it! Regarding the tentacles:
http://clockworkmansion.com/forum/index.php/topic,4352.msg185383.html#msg185383
"The basic rule to follow is 'if you have to learn to do it, its magic. If you have the ability to do it naturally, its a natural ability' Yeah...Dan will have to learn how to use his shapeshifting and wing tentacles
well...but the ability to do them come naturally. "
Quote from: Turnsky on March 15, 2009, 03:53:49 AM
Dan's like some candy, hard shell with a soft center, and that's easy to get at provided you have the right tools.
And DP isn't?
Neat sound effect for the stabbing. 'kinch' like a cross between krunch and pinch with a bit of knife like sound in there as well.
Quote from: Cvstos on March 15, 2009, 03:46:09 AM
(Also, doesn't this one kinda blow past the PG rating?)
The way I see it, it is only M if there is swearing and guts are exposed.... and the occasional sexual innuendo... or maybe thats MA
Quote from: Cogidubnus on March 15, 2009, 03:33:58 AM
My my. Is that bone I see on DP's arm? Nasty cut.
I hope that's not his thumb in Dan's heart, though.
Yeah, he's trying to rip Dan's heart out. Not penetrating as deeply as I'd expect, though.
If Dan controls DP's attacking arm, and says "Pain... makes me stronger!"; DP should start to worry.
If Dan's eyes start glowing, watch out!
Quote from: Cvstos on March 15, 2009, 03:46:09 AM
When is Dan actually going to win a fight? Seriously. Isn't he supposed to be an adventurer? Because he is NOT acting like it. He didn't even bring his freaking sword.
When the hero loses once or twice for story purposes, that's one thing. But getting beaten and humiliated time and again and again and again, it's extremely frustrating. Having wins and losses is great. Having flawed wins is also great. But outright losing or getting humiliated like this so many times... it's frustrating at the very least. Even if he somehow managed to beat DP now, the thunder is done and gone. It was taken with that extremely dire blow.
(Also, doesn't this one kinda blow past the PG rating?)
Hey, a hero is measured by what he overcomes. Offing Regina is so easy it's meaningless now. (Well, I admit to schadenfreude (http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/schadenfreude), Regina soundly deserves to die in pain and terror.) DP needs to be a
challange. I want to see Dan win
despite this!
Quote from: Tapewolf on March 15, 2009, 03:49:09 AM
Quote from: Jairus on March 15, 2009, 03:24:59 AM
Or Cubi tentacles can become sharp enough to cut diamond. Which would be awesome. And regarding the drawing thing... welcome to my world. Though, to be fair, Amber is well practiced at this by now.
They can go through rock, metal etc if you're good with them. Dan isn't.
Dan was putting some deep cuts into stone columns, back in 974 (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_974.php). I don't doubt that Dan can get better. But he's doing damage to DP now.
Quote from: Hellcat on March 15, 2009, 03:45:49 AM
Cyra clan symbol! We're gonna see magic! YAY!
I wonder if Dan's going to send a rock flying into DP's face, heh...
Quote from: Tapewolf on March 15, 2009, 03:49:09 AM
Well, it's not over yet. For all we know Dan's about to tentacle his heart or lop his head off from behind.
That tentacle in the background on the right side of panel one would be perfectly positioned for either of those actions, assuming Dan getting grabbed/stabbed by DP didn't cause it to move, retract, or otherwise no longer be of use.
Uh. Guys?
I just looked at the Cast Page for Dark Pegsus, and it now shows his status as "alive". What's more, he's been promoted from "Random Goer" to "Main Character" and the title graphic on the cast page now reads "Aliph and Mab's Furry Adventures."
. . . . . .
Nah. Just kidding! :mowtongue
As far as Aliph's tactic's go, he had a very sound strategy. Draw in Dan by protecting himself with his wings, sustain some light damage, and then strike.
Keep in mind that Dan's been dead before, though I don't think he will be getting out of this one by Amber Ex Machina continuity break.
Quote from: inuhanyo on March 15, 2009, 04:05:49 AM
Yeah, he's trying to rip Dan's heart out. Not penetrating as deeply as I'd expect, though.
That might indicate that it's a demonstration rather than a death-blow.
QuoteIf Dan's eyes start glowing, watch out!
Indeed - what happened to Hennya can happen to DP too. Though it's looking less likely.
Quote
Quote from: Tapewolf on March 15, 2009, 03:49:09 AM
They can go through rock, metal etc if you're good with them. Dan isn't.
Dan was putting some deep cuts into stone columns, back in 974 (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_974.php). I don't doubt that Dan can get better. But he's doing damage to DP now.
Again, my above post from Amber:
"Dan will have to learn how to use his shapeshifting and wing tentacles
well...but the ability to do them come naturally. "
As I understand it from what Amber's been saying, Dan will be able to go right through granite - but only with sufficient instruction, which he doesn't have.
Quote from: Tyranastrasz on March 15, 2009, 04:08:11 AM
That tentacle in the background on the right side of panel one would be perfectly positioned for either of those actions, assuming Dan getting grabbed/stabbed by DP didn't cause it to move, retract, or otherwise no longer be of use.
It might also jerk as a reflex action to the pain. Indeed it might be more dangerous like that - people can often do things in dire situations which they can't normally do.
Quote from: Baal Hadad on March 15, 2009, 03:10:26 AM
Quote from: tiggertoo on March 15, 2009, 03:04:35 AM
[...] since he's handled DP several times before as just a being.
Ahem....
...but then he had his magical robe, which he no longer does...
In the last fight with DP, his confrontation in the early chapters, he took off the robe and fought DP with a sword. However, DP right now has his claws, as back then, and Dan has no weapon. Under better conditions they tied, so even with the advantage of his wings he's too vulnerable right now.
In Dan's defense, he's still rather pissed off due to Regina, which is why right now he ain't thinking straight. Of course if he remembers to pull a weapon or two from mid-air, his odds will turn.
Also: Fanboy Squeel at the Clan Marking! Thanks for the heads-up, totally missed that. :)
Quote from: Tapewolf on March 15, 2009, 03:54:24 AM
Finally found it! Regarding the tentacles:
http://clockworkmansion.com/forum/index.php/topic,4352.msg185383.html#msg185383
"The basic rule to follow is 'if you have to learn to do it, its magic. If you have the ability to do it naturally, its a natural ability' Yeah...Dan will have to learn how to use his shapeshifting and wing tentacles well...but the ability to do them come naturally. "
Quote from: Turnsky on March 15, 2009, 03:53:49 AM
Dan's like some candy, hard shell with a soft center, and that's easy to get at provided you have the right tools.
And DP isn't?
but why would you want to get to his squishy center?.. it'd be like cracking the rotten egg that he is! >:3
Quote from: Turnsky on March 15, 2009, 04:17:12 AM
but why would you want to get to his squishy center?.. it'd be like cracking the rotten egg that he is! >:3
Well, if you suck it all out, he's kind of not alive no more. Though you do then have DP filling spread everywhere.
Wow, this strip is intense- bones protruding, blood splashing! Don't give up Dan!
Quote from: Tapewolf on March 15, 2009, 04:19:07 AM
Quote from: Turnsky on March 15, 2009, 04:17:12 AM
but why would you want to get to his squishy center?.. it'd be like cracking the rotten egg that he is! >:3
Well, if you suck it all out, he's kind of not alive no more. Though you do then have DP filling spread everywhere.
Ah, but the quickest way to a man's heart is through his stomach -- then cut upwards through the ribcage.
Quote from: tiggertoo on March 15, 2009, 04:25:54 AM
Quote from: Tapewolf on March 15, 2009, 04:19:07 AM
Quote from: Turnsky on March 15, 2009, 04:17:12 AM
but why would you want to get to his squishy center?.. it'd be like cracking the rotten egg that he is! >:3
Well, if you suck it all out, he's kind of not alive no more. Though you do then have DP filling spread everywhere.
Ah, but the quickest way to a man's heart is through his stomach -- then cut upwards through the ribcage.
actually it's with a .50cal. >:3
I'm really sorry, serious debates aside and all...
Am I the only one who saw what DP did and think instantly "Kali Ma..."?
Quote from: Royden on March 15, 2009, 04:29:10 AM
I'm really sorry, serious debates aside and all...
Am I the only one who saw what DP did and think instantly "Kali Ma..."?
Nope ^^ total Indiana Jones esque thoughts going on there
Quote from: Royden on March 15, 2009, 04:29:10 AM
I'm really sorry, serious debates aside and all...
Am I the only one who saw what DP did and think instantly "Kali Ma..."?
actually, i thought "HEART!" >:3
Dan calls upon his deepest reserves for the strength to win this fight.
. . .And Cyra answers.
This comic calls to mind the following question: Where is Destania's clan marking? My first guess would be her upper right arm, but that whatever-you-call-it around that spot is also on other Cubi so it might just be a symbol representing position. Wonder if it's on a PG spot or not.
Speaking of PG, not sure if this comic fits it, but I just saw Gee crying in a corner, who let her in?
Dan should have listened to Aaryanna (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_384.php) - he should have used his wings more...
Nice artwork, though, Amber. On the edge of my seat, here...
This could turn out good or bad for Dan (or possibly even both).
One the one hand, he's getting his version of the cubi tripple esspresso (sp?) in pain, the thrill of being in a dangerous situation, and doing the right thing for the good of many (fighting either Aliph or Regina would count on that matter). So Dan's reception bands for the energy cubi feed on should be wide open and soaking up power like a sponge.
Add to this is the now demonstrated fact that Dan's tendils can cause serious damage to an experienced demon who is expecting a fight. And don't try to tell me that Aliph wasn't expecting to fight a cubi. Unless Regina was really stupid and didn't tell her uncle at least that much upon reviving him - then again, this is Regina we're taling about here... >:3
On the other hand, Aliph has his claws in Dan's sternum. And his other hand is still free to go under the sternum for an even more vulnerable path to Dan's squishy innards.
And Regina is not out. Whether or not she'll have the good sense to stay out of the fight is another matter. I kinda picture her doing or saying something that ends up accidentally turbocharging the cubi right next to her that just happens to feed on pain, danger, and a sense of justi...
:eek
I just realized that Dan doesn't have just himself as an immeiate source of those three emotional states inthis battle! Aliph is at least feeling pain, and Regina is likely feeling all three herself. Even if her sense of justice is a bit scewed - I don't know if "for the good of Regina" would be anywhere near an addequate substitute for "the good of many...
Granted, all that excess energy coming in would likely cause Dan to have another headache. Which is more pain, and thus a greater channel for the influx...
Anyway, Dan may be in potentially lethal trouble right now, but Aliph just made a terrible mistake of his own. Don't play with the guy who can power-up from his own pain! >:3
Quote from: !KCA on March 15, 2009, 06:21:04 AM
Dan calls upon his deepest reserves for the strength to win this fight.
. . .And Cyra answers.
Something like that had occurred to me, whether clan members can feel each other, or whether Cyra can feel it when someone gets their clanmark.
It would be an interesting encounter because it would reinforce Regina and Devin's belief that Dan was acting as Her emmissary.
Quote from: Cvstos on March 15, 2009, 03:46:09 AM
(Also, doesn't this one kinda blow past the PG rating?)
if captain planet could show not only blood (and copious amounts) on screen but also an on-screen death by drug overdose
i think amber's still golden
Just wondering - it looks a little bit like DP is straining in the last panel. That's probably overanalysing the artwork, but if not he might not yet have regained full strength.
There are a number of factors that could assist Dan in this, his time of need. Kria might not like having her new toy broken, Lorenda certainly won't like it and Abel won't like it either (he has training).
Even Fi can't be dim enough to ignore what's going on here - the only question is how long it will take for it to see this and fetch him.
Quote from: Tapewolf on March 15, 2009, 09:02:12 AM
Just wondering - it looks a little bit like DP is straining in the last panel. That's probably overanalysing the artwork, but if not he might not yet have regained full strength.
There are a number of factors that could assist Dan in this, his time of need. Kria might not like having her new toy broken, Lorenda certainly won't like it and Abel won't like it either (he has training).
Even Fi can't be dim enough to ignore what's going on here - the only question is how long it will take for it to see this and fetch him.
one fatal flaw in this idea, Tape.. blood.
Quote from: Turnsky on March 15, 2009, 09:09:00 AM
one fatal flaw in this idea, Tape.. blood.
You quoted about
five ideas which confused me at first, but for Abel, yes. That might not do him much good. Though honestly? DP isn't bleeding as much as he could/should be.
Would be kinda funny if Abel was fetched and his past with Dans family line caused him to flip and ignore the blood.
Though it does look like Dans clan symbol is appearing, yay! I'd laugh if he grabbed the claw in his chest, pulled it out, and then used a hand to give DP a face full of energy blast. 'You blasted it in the face!'
DP's cast page still says he's dead (altough I think amber'- just forgetful) and it seems he has one horn less as well
Quote from: Turnsky on March 15, 2009, 09:09:00 AM
one fatal flaw in this idea, Tape.. blood.
Now that I think about it, it's not a flaw in my idea. It's more a flaw in
Abel's idea >:3
Quote from: Akisohida on March 15, 2009, 09:36:17 AM
Would be kinda funny if Abel was fetched and his past with Dans family line caused him to flip and ignore the blood.
Though it does look like Dans clan symbol is appearing, yay! I'd laugh if he grabbed the claw in his chest, pulled it out, and then used a hand to give DP a face full of energy blast. 'You blasted it in the face!'
I think we're all expecting a little too much from Dan here.
I don't think Dan's down and out yet, and need of a rescue. I'm rooting he comes back and kills DP once and for all.
Yay Dan! :boogie
Dan will probably try to use his wings to protect himself. The pain probably just made him realise how angry he was since he didn't even think how to attack before doing so.
Quote from: Lucheek on March 15, 2009, 09:55:27 AM
I don't think Dan's down and out yet, and need of a rescue. I'm rooting he comes back and kills DP once and for all.
Yay Dan! :boogie
All depends on what happens in the next page. It's too hard to tell how much damage this blow did. I don't see any reason why DP would hold back like he did the very very first time.
As for the clan mark starting to show, yeah, that has me very curious. He's not using magic, so what is the catalyst?
And just a random thought - what if Dan is not getting pain energy from DP, because he's lost so much of himself from being resurrected so many times that he doesn't 'feel' anymore? Is the successive loss of the ability to feel emotions the part that Kria noticed each time?
Maybe repeated resurrections turn you into a Vulcan.
Quote from: Shadowcatcher on March 15, 2009, 10:07:12 AMMaybe repeated resurrections turn you into a Vulcan.
Let's hope he won't know the Vulcan Pinch.
Quote from: Michael Chandra on March 15, 2009, 06:22:34 AM
Where is Destania's clan marking? My first guess would be her upper right arm,
I very much doubt it, what reason would she have to cover up her marking in such a deliberate way while she's in SAIA? It's probably on some other spot we've always seen covered by clothes that she hasn't shapeshifted out of her own body. I wonder if Dan knows where it is?
Quote from: Michael Chandra on March 15, 2009, 06:22:34 AM
Wonder if it's on a PG spot or not.
IIRC the place is pretty much random and not inherited, so there have to be some 'Cubi with... erm... rarely seen markings. Remember Abel didn't seem surprised about the position of what he thought was Dan's marking (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_550.php), only that it didn't look like one he'd ever seen before.
While I don't think Dan is going to pull a "by the power of greyskull" and totally thrash DP. I do believe if he manages to keep conscious he will be capable of pulling away from DP.
Maybe he can finally get that rock trick with magic to work with Regina as ammunition. :P
While I believe he'll get a power boost from this. I don't know if it will give him much strength other than a breath breather with that kind of damage and I think Dan could really use one now.
Quote from: Shadowcatcher on March 15, 2009, 10:07:12 AM
And just a random thought - what if Dan is not getting pain energy from DP, because he's lost so much of himself from being resurrected so many times that he doesn't 'feel' anymore? Is the successive loss of the ability to feel emotions the part that Kria noticed each time?
Maybe repeated resurrections turn you into a Vulcan.
It sure looked like DP made a grunt of pain in the first panel. "Same as ...NNG! The first time we fought...
Quote from: Shadowcatcher on March 15, 2009, 10:04:19 AM
As for the clan mark starting to show, yeah, that has me very curious. He's not using magic, so what is the catalyst?
Quote from: !KCA on March 15, 2009, 06:21:04 AM
Dan calls upon his deepest reserves for the strength to win this fight.
. . .And Cyra answers.
!KCA may be on the mark, or very close.
Quote from: !KCA on March 15, 2009, 06:21:04 AM
. . .And Cyra answers.
Oh, now that would be such a
good name for an album.
Quote from: inuhanyo on March 15, 2009, 10:54:56 AM
!KCA may be on the mark, or very close.
If Cyra Herself personally manifests, DP will be very, very lucky if he winds up stuffed in a desk-lamp or is given to Dan as a necklace.
I'm starting to wondering whether Dee might show up, though.
(http://i89.photobucket.com/albums/k216/tapewolf/dmfa/biggs2c.png)
http://i89.photobucket.com/albums/k216/tapewolf/dmfa/biggs2c.png
Quote from: Tapewolf on March 15, 2009, 04:11:35 AM
As I understand it from what Amber's been saying, Dan will be able to go right through granite - but only with sufficient instruction, which he doesn't have.
So basically Dan's current powers shouldn't be taken for granite. I guess he just got stonewalled.
Golly, wouldn't we all be surprised if Dan got killed off and the 1000th strip was the last one ever.
Well, I wouldn't be surprised, having now postulated it as a possibility.
This is like ruining Christmas all over again.
Quote from: Tapewolf on March 15, 2009, 09:02:12 AM
Just wondering - it looks a little bit like DP is straining in the last panel. That's probably overanalysing the artwork, but if not he might not yet have regained full strength.
Lets assume for the moment that wings and fur aside, Dan is built kind of like an ordinary human. DP's index finger claw and possibly his other fingers that we can't see are cutting through the skin stretched over Dan's collarbone. That wouldn't be too damaging in and of itself, but if he penetrates deeply enough, he could cut Dan's left lung, which would be fatal in a few minutes.
The crunch sound is probably his thumb penetrating Dan's sternum. I've done knife excercizes against this ballistic gel/some bonelike substance and I can tell you, it takes considerable strength to push a knife through a bone. I would think a claw wouldn't be much different. Tha's probably where the strain is coming from, just pure physical exertion.
In and of itself, a sternum stab probably isnt fatal. It does have the possibility though of *seriously* messing up the rest of the ribcage though, which would leave Dan in horrific pain and probably unable to fight unless he has a really good endorphin generator.
Overanalysis to the rescue! Up up and awaaaaaaaaaaaaay
Quote from: rabid_fox on March 15, 2009, 11:25:01 AM
Golly, wouldn't we all be surprised if Dan got killed off and the 1000th strip was the last one ever.
I imagine whoever won the cameo auction would probably want their money back :B
Will Dan die? It's not impossible. He's died before, though not for very long. And again, Kria knows how to resurrect DP. That Lorenda might demand she revives Dan is perfectly plausible.
What intrigues me, if Dan is left clinically dead, is whether Fi would disappear in a puff of smoke, or whether it is still kind-of bound to Fa'Lina.
Quote from: Tapewolf on March 15, 2009, 11:43:37 AM
What intrigues me, if Dan is left clinically dead, is whether Fi would disappear in a puff of smoke, or whether it is still kind-of bound to Fa'Lina.
Nuuuuuuuu! Don't send Fi back!Maybe strip 1000 is where Dan learns that Dark Pegasus is his father?
Quote from: Corgatha Taldorthar on March 15, 2009, 11:35:23 AM
In and of itself, a sternum stab probably isn't fatal. It does have the possibility though of *seriously* messing up the rest of the ribcage though, which would leave Dan in horrific pain and probably unable to fight unless he has a really good endorphin generator.
Overanalysis to the rescue! Up up and awaaaaaaaaaaaaay
After the last time Dan and DP fought, the pain Wildy inflicted on Azlan was enough to restart Dan's heart and pull him back from death's door. Dan feeds on pain, it makes him stronger. Will that be enough to overcome the debilitating effects of pain? I guess we'll find out Monday.
Abel had this trick where he generated lots of flames. (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_538.php) Abel has been teaching Dan. Perhaps this wasn't an emotional attack on the part of Dan. Perhaps, Dan has been preparing a spell that incinerates anything that he's in contact with (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_949.php).
Quote from: Naldru on March 15, 2009, 12:13:22 PM
Abel had this trick where he generated lots of flames. (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_538.php) Abel has been teaching Dan.
Dunno whether Dan's been taught element-resistance yet, though.
Quote from: inuhanyo on March 15, 2009, 12:11:23 PM
After the last time Dan and DP fought, the pain Wildy inflicted on Azlan was enough to restart Dan's heart and pull him back from death's door. Dan feeds on pain, it makes him stronger. Will that be enough to overcome the debilitating effects of pain? I guess we'll find out Monday.
I was thinking the same thing. Lets not forget that Dan's emotion/power vacuum was not on at full strength at the time so he was not getting the full effect of his cubi heritage. In addition if you compare Dan's eyes from panel 2 to panel 3 you might notice that they appear brighter.
On a side note if Dan is going down he does have Lorenda on his side to stop DP... Kira still appears to have a (momentary) crush on our poor little incubus.
On a side note in Dan's favor Lets not forget what Abel can do with magic (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_552.php). Knowing Dan's personality and the response, that would be one of the first spells Dan convinced Abel to teach him. ...So from a claw in the chest to Alph being a sword pincushion.
Quote from: Madmann135 on March 15, 2009, 12:20:45 PM
I was thinking the same thing. Lets not forget that Dan's emotion/power vacuum was not on at full strength at the time so he was not getting the full effect of his cubi heritage. In addition if you compare Dan's eyes from panel 2 to panel 3 you might notice that they appear brighter.
I assumed his eyes had gone funny because he was being killed, but you may be into something there. If they go entirely green in the next page, things should get very interesting.
Whatever happens here, I very much think this is going to be a turning point of some kind in this comic--things have changed too much (and the chapter is too long) for it to go the episodic route of mainstream sitcoms.
Dan going to SAIA at last, Abel reunited with Devin, whatever--I very much doubt things will be the same again, just as they weren't after Dan found out he was an incubus in the first place.
Quote from: Baal Hadad on March 15, 2009, 12:28:01 PM
Whatever happens here, I very much think this is going to be a turning point of some kind in this comic--things have changed too much (and the chapter is too long) for it to go the episodic route of mainstream sitcoms.
Definitely a turning point in that Dan is finally embracing his heritage, no question of that. However it doesn't mean that the strip can't go back to being less serious for a stretch. IIRC Shakespeare tended to have comedic moments after the heavier scenes...
QuoteDan going to SAIA at last, Abel reunited with Devin, whatever--I very much doubt things will be the same again, just as they weren't after Dan found out he was an incubus in the first place.
I don't see Dan going full-time yet, as that essentially kills most of the cast. He is obligated to visit SAIA one month out of every year or else Fa'Lina will do to him what he wants to do to Regina. I had at one point considered that this time would clash with the month Kria gave him to cremate DP, but that seems to have gone by the wayside.
Now that I think about it Kria
did promise to put DP back in the grave for one month. Nothing was said about him being
dead when that happened.
Something just came to mind... the clan marking does signify many a things.
Personally I think DP is in trouble because of it and here is the theory behind my belief.
OK...
Abel said Clan marking pear as the user's magic increases (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_551.php), by the same note Dan has not performed any magic since he was young. So in order for his clan marking to appear he must have been doing some serous training and practicing with magic, more so than most and going by the theory that Dan has not slept (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_540.php) since he got back from SAIA he could have been practicing while everyone else was sleeping. Also as Abel said it is implied that the clan marking appears as the user casts magic. Lets not forget Dan's lessons learned (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_934.php) from round 1 with DP, and how DP implied (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_982.php) that Dan has reverted to his original emotion driven state.
So I'm thinking Dan got in close with DP only to distract him from the real attack. A sound plan (but high gamble), lure your opponent in with what they want you to do and make it seam as if you are falling into their hand, then counter attack with everything you got the moment their guard is down.
Amber is an impressive story teller, artist and strategist. She knows how to place in those little hints that make everything all clear as the story progresses. She also makes one think on what is happening in the story.
Personally I like it when Amber switches from a serious story to a comical comic. If DMFA was all comedy then not much story nor action would take place, if it was 100% seriousness then that would not be as fun
Quote from: Tapewolf on March 15, 2009, 12:37:51 PM
Quote from: Baal Hadad on March 15, 2009, 12:28:01 PM
Whatever happens here, I very much think this is going to be a turning point of some kind in this comic--things have changed too much (and the chapter is too long) for it to go the episodic route of mainstream sitcoms.
Definitely a turning point in that Dan is finally embracing his heritage, no question of that. However it doesn't mean that the strip can't go back to being less serious for a stretch. IIRC Shakespeare tended to have comedic moments after the heavier scenes...
I just meant that there's no way this can all be "wrapped up as if it had never happened to begin with," which is what mainstream sitcoms tend to do by the end of each episode (or two-parter, if those exist, or whatever). Certainly the strip can go back to being less serious, especially if Amber does another "non-canonical" chapter that's just her embracing her silly side. Plus, as you say, it would definitely lighten the mood after all this....
Quote from: Tapewolf on March 15, 2009, 12:37:51 PM
QuoteDan going to SAIA at last, Abel reunited with Devin, whatever--I very much doubt things will be the same again, just as they weren't after Dan found out he was an incubus in the first place.
I don't see Dan going full-time yet, as that essentially kills most of the cast. He is obligated to visit SAIA one month out of every year or else Fa'Lina will do to him what he wants to do to Regina. I had at one point considered that this time would clash with the month Kria gave him to cremate DP, but that seems to have gone by the wayside.
Now that I think about it Kria did promise to put DP back in the grave for one month. Nothing was said about him being dead when that happened.
I don't know if it kills the rest of the cast, but I think I understand what you mean.
Quote from: Baal Hadad on March 15, 2009, 12:45:15 PM
I don't know if it kills the rest of the cast, but I think I understand what you mean.
When it looked like Dan was going to remain in SAIA, I was wondering how it would pan out. At the time I pointed out that there were two ways of looking at the event if it happened:
1. Dan vanishes into SAIA and never appears again. The strip is renamed to 'Mab's Furry Adventures'.
2. Dan goes into SAIA and returns. 350 years have elapsed. Wildy, Alexsi, Biggs, Jyrras, Merlitz, Aliyka and the rats have all been dead and buried for more than two centuries. He has no home unless the inn has been placed in some kind of trust for when he returns. Mab, Azlan, Lorenda, Kria and Matilda are among the only survivors.
Quote from: Tapewolf on March 15, 2009, 12:37:51 PM
I don't see Dan going full-time yet, as that essentially kills most of the cast. He is obligated to visit SAIA one month out of every year or else Fa'Lina will do to him what he wants to do to Regina. I had at one point considered that this time would clash with the month Kria gave him to cremate DP, but that seems to have gone by the wayside.
Now that I think about it Kria did promise to put DP back in the grave for one month. Nothing was said about him being dead when that happened.
Kind of implied by canceling the ceremony. All obsolete now. Snicker: "Sister,
what do you think you're doing?"
Since we know very little about Furrae's calendar, and Fa'Lina never said
which month Dan had to go to SAIA, the odds of the two months completely overlapping is pretty low.
I was kind of hoping to see Dan lead a party back to DP's grave and cremate him, but I'll get over it.
Oh noes. :<
Thankfully, this time the audience isn't suspended over a boiling cauldron and may therefore stop Aliph from doing all this. But still. This is ... foreboding. And I LIKES it.
I'm not sure why everyone seems to inicate that going to SAIA is such an ending to the strip. If he has Fi, he can pop in for a semester, take some classes, and then wander back home for a while. Te academic rigor of SAIA seems to be fairly limited, and I doubt that too many people would notice (and even less care.) if Dan took frequent vacations.
Quote from: Tapewolf on March 15, 2009, 12:52:29 PM
Quote from: Baal Hadad on March 15, 2009, 12:45:15 PM
I don't know if it kills the rest of the cast, but I think I understand what you mean.
When it looked like Dan was going to remain in SAIA, I was wondering how it would pan out. At the time I pointed out that there were two ways of looking at the event if it happened:
1. Dan vanishes into SAIA and never appears again. The strip is renamed to 'Mab's Furry Adventures'.
2. Dan goes into SAIA and returns. 350 years have elapsed. Wildy, Alexsi, Biggs, Jyrras, Merlitz, Aliyka and the rats have all been dead and buried for more than two centuries. He has no home unless the inn has been placed in some kind of trust for when he returns. Mab, Azlan, Lorenda, Kria and Matilda are among the only survivors.
You may have a point, but I note that this comic has an ensemble cast, thus not every comic is about Dan somehow. That being the case, I don't think it necessarily follows that either scenario you suggest must happen if Dan does go to SAIA full time.
Then again, I could be wrong....
*Registers and unlurks!*
Anyone notice the blue mark on Dan's shoulder in the final panel?
Quote from: Anacobra on March 15, 2009, 02:50:19 PM
*Registers and unlurks!*
Anyone notice the blue mark on Dan's shoulder in the final panel?
Check the thread for 981. We're figuring it's the beginning of Dan's clan mark
EDIT: And welcome!
Hate to doublepost, but, I posted in the wrong topic! Wow, first post to failure. Go me.
Curse you firefox tabs! :U
Quote from: Anacobra on March 15, 2009, 02:52:59 PM
Hate to doublepost, but, I posted in the wrong topic! Wow, first post to failure. Go me.
Sorted.
I kind of agree with Janus and Cvstos on the first and second pages of this thread (four pages in ten hours overnight?!? What the frig is wrong with you people?), namely in the point that Dark Pegasus should--not--be--this--FRIKKEN--focused--and--COMPETANT. Well, maybe not for his combat abilities, but at least in the way he's taking to Dan right now AND seems to be going for a quick kill. The last time we saw him chronologically, he had to go through all his big gloating plans and such (admittedly it was mostly for the reader's benefit, but still...), and considering how that's supposed to get worse every time he's brought back, I expected HE should be dying right now, trying to spout his big evil plans while Dan's eviscerating him.
My point is, this (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_918.php) is not the same villain as this (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_148.php) villain. This (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_917.php) villain also came before this (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_150.php) one, after he's been rezzed at least once. As has been canonically stated (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_949.php), this (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_149.php) gets worse every time as more of this (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_921.php) is lost. However, this (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_982.php) villain, which by all rights, should be even worse than this (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_151.php) one, is somehow back to this (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_924.php), right after being rezzed again.
Shame and disappointment. Teh continuity and internal consistency has been broken :<
Anybody notice how Dan's headwings suddenly disappear in panel 3? You can kind of see their shape as little spikey ripples, but...
It's probably not that interesting, but I wanted to bring SOMETHING up.
EDIT: I messed up this post. I meant the tentacle head.
Pretty HUGE mistake :3
Quote from: techmaster-glitch on March 15, 2009, 03:00:40 PM
I kind of agree with Janus and Cvstos on the first and second pages of this thread (four pages in ten hours overnight?!? What the frig is wrong with you people?), namely in the point that Dark Pegasus should--not--be--this--FRIKKEN--focused--and--COMPETANT. Well, maybe not for his combat abilities, but at least in the way he's taking to Dan right now AND seems to be going for a quick kill. The last time we saw him chronologically, he had to go through all his big gloating plans and such (admittedly it was mostly for the reader's benefit, but still...), and considering how that's supposed to get worse every time he's brought back, I expected HE should be dying right now, trying to spout his big evil plans while Dan's eviscerating him.
...
Shame and disappointment. Teh continuity and internal consistency has been broken :<
Or the passage of several years between his original appearance and the flashback and now means that Amber's characterization of him has altered slightly. Or we haven't gotten the whole story on DP quite yet.
Quote from: Jairus on March 15, 2009, 03:10:20 PM
Quote from: techmaster-glitch on March 15, 2009, 03:00:40 PM
I kind of agree with Janus and Cvstos on the first and second pages of this thread (four pages in ten hours overnight?!? What the frig is wrong with you people?), namely in the point that Dark Pegasus should--not--be--this--FRIKKEN--focused--and--COMPETANT. Well, maybe not for his combat abilities, but at least in the way he's taking to Dan right now AND seems to be going for a quick kill. The last time we saw him chronologically, he had to go through all his big gloating plans and such (admittedly it was mostly for the reader's benefit, but still...), and considering how that's supposed to get worse every time he's brought back, I expected HE should be dying right now, trying to spout his big evil plans while Dan's eviscerating him.
...
Shame and disappointment. Teh continuity and internal consistency has been broken :<
Or the passage of several years between his original appearance and the flashback and now means that Amber's characterization of him has altered slightly. Or we haven't gotten the whole story on DP quite yet.
you...cut...out...my...proof...
Quote from: techmaster-glitch on March 15, 2009, 03:11:15 PM
Quote from: Jairus on March 15, 2009, 03:10:20 PM
Quote from: techmaster-glitch on March 15, 2009, 03:00:40 PM
I kind of agree with Janus and Cvstos on the first and second pages of this thread (four pages in ten hours overnight?!? What the frig is wrong with you people?), namely in the point that Dark Pegasus should--not--be--this--FRIKKEN--focused--and--COMPETANT. Well, maybe not for his combat abilities, but at least in the way he's taking to Dan right now AND seems to be going for a quick kill. The last time we saw him chronologically, he had to go through all his big gloating plans and such (admittedly it was mostly for the reader's benefit, but still...), and considering how that's supposed to get worse every time he's brought back, I expected HE should be dying right now, trying to spout his big evil plans while Dan's eviscerating him.
...
Shame and disappointment. Teh continuity and internal consistency has been broken :<
Or the passage of several years between his original appearance and the flashback and now means that Amber's characterization of him has altered slightly. Or we haven't gotten the whole story on DP quite yet.
you...cut...out...my...proof...
Fine.
Quote from: techmaster-glitch on March 15, 2009, 03:00:40 PM
I kind of agree with Janus and Cvstos on the first and second pages of this thread (four pages in ten hours overnight?!? What the frig is wrong with you people?), namely in the point that Dark Pegasus should--not--be--this--FRIKKEN--focused--and--COMPETANT. Well, maybe not for his combat abilities, but at least in the way he's taking to Dan right now AND seems to be going for a quick kill. The last time we saw him chronologically, he had to go through all his big gloating plans and such (admittedly it was mostly for the reader's benefit, but still...), and considering how that's supposed to get worse every time he's brought back, I expected HE should be dying right now, trying to spout his big evil plans while Dan's eviscerating him.
My point is, this (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_918.php) is not the same villain as this (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_148.php) villain. This (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_917.php) villain also came before this (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_150.php) one, after he's been rezzed at least once. As has been canonically stated (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_949.php), this (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_149.php) gets worse every time as more of this (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_921.php) is lost. However, this (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_982.php) villain, which by all rights, should be even worse than this (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_151.php) one, is somehow back to this (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_924.php), right after being rezzed again.
Shame and disappointment. Teh continuity and internal consistency has been broken :<
There's your proof. Also, we don't KNOW what DP is losing every time he comes back! It doesn't have to be genre savviness that he's losing as time goes by: it could be something else, something beyond that. We just don't know, because we don't have the whole story yet. He has appeared
three times in continuity, been mentioned a few times, and now we've got a little backstory. Whoop-dee-doo. Kria does not say that he's becoming less genre savvy, she says he's becoming less like himself, like he's losing a part of his soul or something. There could be something else he's losing that has no relation whatsoever to how he interacts with Dan. On top of that, Dan's fighting differently than he did the last time they fought, so DP's going to respond the same way. And I could be wrong. But since we don't have the whole story yet, we'll just have to wait and see.
Hrm... I agree with the whole come on, no fair thing. If Dan's supposed to be this super skilled adventurer, _AND_ he's somewhat powered up since last time, _AND_ he's put down DP more than once already, we really ought to be seeing him not making elementry exploitable mistakes.
I like the notion that this is Dan setting up to do something unpleasant to DP though. Though the Cyra showing up has possibilities too. (But actually I like that less. This should be Dan's victory.)
Oh, one other thing: Several people here referred to Cyra as "she". Do we actually officially know Cyra's gender, or is that just someone guessing and others just going along with that?
Quote from: llearch n'n'daCorna on March 15, 2009, 06:36:04 AM
*Snip*
*Looks at avatar* Oh dear lord, he's out of the box! Run for your lives! It's the end of the world, panic! :explosion
Quote from: Psy-Kosh on March 15, 2009, 03:26:01 PM
Oh, one other thing: Several people here referred to Cyra as "she". Do we actually officially know Cyra's gender, or is that just someone guessing and others just going along with that?
I've not seen it myself, but there was apparently a picture floating around. From what I hear tell, she was not wearing much.
Quote from: Jairus on March 15, 2009, 03:16:51 PM
There's your proof. Also, we don't KNOW what DP is losing every time he comes back! It doesn't have to be genre savviness that he's losing as time goes by: it could be something else, something beyond that. We just don't know, because we don't have the whole story yet. He has appeared three times in continuity, been mentioned a few times, and now we've got a little backstory. Whoop-dee-doo. Kria does not say that he's becoming less genre savvy, she says he's becoming less like himself, like he's losing a part of his soul or something. There could be something else he's losing that has no relation whatsoever to how he interacts with Dan. On top of that, Dan's fighting differently than he did the last time they fought, so DP's going to respond the same way. And I could be wrong. But since we don't have the whole story yet, we'll just have to wait and see.
Well, it -seems- pretty clear-cut to me... :<
Quote from: Lowde on March 15, 2009, 02:42:31 AM
And I'm expecting a Lorenda's intervention right abooooooout now
So I'm the only one here that thinks this battle will stop in 1 or 2 strips and that noone is actually going to die?
I feel so
lonely
Quote from: Lowde on March 15, 2009, 04:15:26 PM
So I'm the only one here that thinks this battle will stop in 1 or 2 strips and that noone is actually going to die?
In a way, I kind of hope so. llearch isn't the only one on the edge of his seat :P
same here. I'm pretty sure that either Kria is going to break up the fight, or there will be a scene change, and while we're out we learn that Kria has broken up the fight. Possibly someone kicks the bucket and is brought back.
The laws of dramatics state that the characters are too cool to permanantly die here.
Quote from: Lowde on March 15, 2009, 04:15:26 PM
Quote from: Lowde on March 15, 2009, 02:42:31 AM
And I'm expecting a Lorenda's intervention right abooooooout now
So I'm the only one here that thinks this battle will stop in 1 or 2 strips and that noone is actually going to die?
I feel so lonely
I'm expecting scene change.
Well, it's already past my bedtime, so I might as well post my own personal "Wild Mass Guessing".
1) Every time DP is brought back, part of his personality is lost.
1a) This most likely caused the lack of Genre Savvy in Dan's last battle with him as opposed to his first.
2) After this last return, he suddenly became fully Genre Savvy again.
3) In addition, his wounds aren't bleeding as badly as they should.
3a) In fact, one has to wonder if he's feeling them at all. That grunt in panel 1 could have been from exertion.
4) Regina did the resurrection spell. That sends up some red flags in and of itself.
Conclusion: Regina screwed up the spell. DP now has all of his personality/soul/whatever back, at the cost of his pulse. I guess he has a lot more in common with his adopted nephew D'R, now. >:3
Quote from: starcat5 on March 15, 2009, 04:55:35 PM
Well, it's already past my bedtime, so I might as well post my own personal "Wild Mass Guessing".
1) Every time DP is brought back, part of his personality is lost.
1a) This most likely caused the lack of Genre Savvy in Dan's last battle with him as opposed to his first.
2) After this last return, he suddenly became fully Genre Savvy again.
3) In addition, his wounds aren't bleeding as badly as they should.
3a) In fact, one has to wonder if he's feeling them at all. That grunt in panel 1 could have been from exertion.
4) Regina did the resurrection spell. That sends up some red flags in and of itself.
Conclusion: Regina screwed up the spell. DP now has all of his personality/soul/whatever back, at the cost of his pulse. I guess he has a lot more in common with his adopted nephew D'R, now. >:3
Or Regina is secretly Dee! And she uses her awesome powers to completely restore DP. (I would think that the loss of personality is not an intended effect of the spell.)
Please note, I'm not serious about this, although I'm pretty sure someone will consider taking it up.......
Something else to consider: this arc could end with Dan being defeated and captured by DP. That could give DP quite a bargaining chip to hold against Cyra clan (if the clan actually values him any) or Destania.
Quote from: Shadowcatcher on March 15, 2009, 05:04:09 PM
Something else to consider: this arc could end with Dan being defeated and captured by DP. That could give DP quite a bargaining chip to hold against Cyra clan (if the clan actually values him any) or Destania.
*cue Jyrras smashing the house apart with his new mecha gryphon, which reveals an array of "seed throwers" and "mining lasers" and "demolition tubes"* "Put. Him. DOWN."
Sorry, couldn't resist. Of course, Mab could always show up and interfere if it came to that... or Pyroduck. Albeit, it might not come to that. Amber's been pretty good about this so far.
Quote from: starcat5 on March 15, 2009, 04:55:35 PM
Conclusion: Regina screwed up the spell. DP now has all of his personality/soul/whatever back, at the cost of his pulse. I guess he has a lot more in common with his adopted nephew D'R, now. >:3
Possible. Don't forget Dan's ritual (he's supposed to be a priest afterall) that was supposed to keep him from coming back to life -- "stay dead" was part of it. I suspect he's back as an Undead Demon, and just hasn't realized it yet. And what an irony, becoming what he hates most. And might explain why he seems to be acting completely refreshed and lucid in such short order.
Quote from: starcat5 on March 15, 2009, 04:55:35 PM
Well, it's already past my bedtime, so I might as well post my own personal "Wild Mass Guessing".
1) Every time DP is brought back, part of his personality is lost.
1a) This most likely caused the lack of Genre Savvy in Dan's last battle with him as opposed to his first.
2) After this last return, he suddenly became fully Genre Savvy again.
Heh, glad to know someone else sees this
Quote from: techmaster-glitch on March 15, 2009, 03:00:40 PM
My point is, this (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_918.php) is not the same villain as this (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_148.php) villain. This (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_917.php) villain also came before this (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_150.php) one, after he's been rezzed at least once. As has been canonically stated (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_949.php), this (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_149.php) gets worse every time as more of this (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_921.php) is lost. However, this (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_982.php) villain, which by all rights, should be even worse than this (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_151.php) one, is somehow back to this (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_924.php), right after being rezzed again.
Quote from: starcat5 on March 15, 2009, 04:55:35 PM
3) In addition, his wounds aren't bleeding as badly as they should.
3a) In fact, one has to wonder if he's feeling them at all. That grunt in panel 1 could have been from exertion.
4) Regina did the resurrection spell. That sends up some red flags in and of itself.
Conclusion: Regina screwed up the spell. DP now has all of his personality/soul/whatever back, at the cost of his pulse. I guess he has a lot more in common with his adopted nephew D'R, now. >:3
Hmmm. That could be a plausible explanation...though I think it's very unlikely, considering if you get a piece of your soul wrenched away from you while in transit back to the lively world, I imagine it would be permanent and irrevocable.
Quote from: Jairus on March 15, 2009, 05:09:00 PM
*cue Jyrras smashing the house apart with his new mecha gryphon, which reveals an array of "seed throwers" and "mining lasers" and "demolition tubes"* "Put. Him. DOWN."
Sorry, couldn't resist. Of course, Mab could always show up and interfere if it came to that... or Pyroduck. Albeit, it might not come to that. Amber's been pretty good about this so far.
No one knows where he is though. So until Fi becomes aware of the situation, or if Lorenda decides to step in, there's no chance of any backup.
Amber kills time for 17 more strips, and in strip 1,000, Dark Pegasus goes Kali Ma on Dan: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f9HztgEj2Qo
Strip ends, Mab stops freaking out every update, and readers are left with brain hemorrhages.
Quote from: Gildedtongue on March 15, 2009, 05:27:47 PM
Amber kills time for 17 more strips, and in strip 1,000, Dark Pegasus goes Kali Ma on Dan:
Strip ends, Mab stops freaking out every update, and readers are left with brain hemorrhages.
You forgot "auction winner takes Mab to small claims court"...
My prediction: Fi, sensing Dan is injured, warps him to safety, thus letting DP and Regina escape, OR, DP beats up Dan and gets away with Regina.
Either way, despite the build-up, I sense a let-down coming.
Oh noes! Dan is about to get his heart ripped out!
Ooo.. maybe we'll get to see Hollow-form Dan now when his evil side takes over! That would be the awesomest! :boogie
(http://i89.photobucket.com/albums/k216/tapewolf/dmfa/kria_payment.png)
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Quote from: Tapewolf on March 15, 2009, 07:50:21 PM
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*snrkroflol*
Awesome, Tape. Pure awesome.
Quote from: Alondro on March 15, 2009, 07:11:14 PM
Oh noes! Dan is about to get his heart ripped out!
Ooo.. maybe we'll get to see Hollow-form Dan now when his evil side takes over! That would be the awesomest! :boogie
Pfft. I wanna see blades rise out of the ground and hear someone say "Bankai. Scatter, Senbonzakura Kageyoshi." ;) That or see Dan flash-step behind DP and say "Hado Number 90: Kurohitsugi"
Although having an evil side *would* freak Dan out nicely. Hmmm... might be something to that idea there, Alondro!
Quote from: Tapewolf on March 15, 2009, 07:50:21 PM
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http://i89.photobucket.com/albums/k216/tapewolf/dmfa/kria_payment.png
Pure. Win.
Quote from: Psy-Kosh on March 15, 2009, 03:26:01 PM
Hrm... I agree with the whole come on, no fair thing. If Dan's supposed to be this super skilled adventurer, _AND_ he's somewhat powered up since last time, _AND_ he's put down DP more than once already, we really ought to be seeing him not making elementry exploitable mistakes.
Eh, as I said before, I put the blame on that he's currently PISSED due to Regina.
And he should really fight with a weapon.
Quote from: Corgatha Taldorthar on March 15, 2009, 12:57:38 PM
I'm not sure why everyone seems to inicate that going to SAIA is such an ending to the strip. If he has Fi, he can pop in for a semester, take some classes, and then wander back home for a while. Te academic rigor of SAIA seems to be fairly limited, and I doubt that too many people would notice (and even less care.) if Dan took frequent vacations.
Since Dan has a warp-ACL, I don't see any reason why he couldn't go back to Lost Lake every night. Based on Fa'lina's conversation with Abel, SAIA attempts to be flexible. (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Ab_028.php)
Quote from: Cvstos on March 15, 2009, 09:48:31 PM
Pfft. I wanna see blades rise out of the ground and hear someone say "Bankai. Scatter, Senbonzakura Kageyoshi." ;) That or see Dan flash-step behind DP and say "Hado Number 90: Kurohitsugi"
What's up with all theses (I presume) japanese words? They mean absolutely nothing to me and I'm sure many others.
Quote from: AmigaDragon on March 16, 2009, 03:10:33 AM
Quote from: Cvstos on March 15, 2009, 09:48:31 PM
Pfft. I wanna see blades rise out of the ground and hear someone say "Bankai. Scatter, Senbonzakura Kageyoshi." ;) That or see Dan flash-step behind DP and say "Hado Number 90: Kurohitsugi"
What's up with all theses (I presume) japanese words? They mean absolutely nothing to me and I'm sure many others.
It is a reference to the anime series "Bleach," about a group of shinigami ("death gods," basically the Grim Reaper) armed with zanpakutou ("Soul-cutting swords") who fight Hollows (basically malevolent ghosts). Zanpakutou have three forms at minimum: a sealed form, a shikai ("initial release"), and a bankai ("final release"), each of which has special abilities and is more powerful than the last.. In this case, the reference is to Byakuya Kuchiki, captain of the Sixth Division of the Shinigami squads, and his Zanpakutou "Senbonzakura" ("Thousand Cherry Blossoms"), which when released into its shikai form separates into hundreds of telepathically controlled tiny blades that catch the light and reflect it to make them look like cherry blossoms. In its bankai form, Senbonzakura becomes Senbonzakura Kageyoshi ("Vibrant Display of a Thousand Cherry Blossoms") which summons dozens of swords that divide into hundreds of thousands - if not millions - of tiny blades.
Flash step is simply the ability to move really freaking fast. To the point that you seem to teleport.
Hado ("way of destruction") are a subtype of Kido ("spirit way") which are magic spells. Number 90 basically summons a magical iron maiden to attack your opponent.
Does that all help?
EDIT: Why yes, I am a nerd. And to be fair, I cheated a little to help me get the translations right, so that the box does not attack me for not providing a translation for all of these foreign words. But I did know all of this stuff.
Quote from: Jairus on March 16, 2009, 03:33:29 AM
Does that all help?
Not much. I get a whole 3 channels here and don't get such shows on any of them. I've seen some webcomics where someone is spouting similar nonsense while they're performing an attack. You don't announce your attack to your opponent, that gives him better chance to counter it.
Bleach is also in manga form, and iirc, was that way before the show. 3 channels or not you can check it out if you like. :) Though I have to agree with you about the announcing of attacks. While I can suspend my disbelief on them a bit (there are somethings you just can't escape) it just seems wrong.
Quote from: AmigaDragon on March 16, 2009, 04:05:01 AM
Quote from: Jairus on March 16, 2009, 03:33:29 AM
Does that all help?
Not much. I get a whole 3 channels here and don't get such shows on any of them. I've seen some webcomics where someone is spouting similar nonsense while they're performing an attack. You don't announce your attack to your opponent, that gives him better chance to counter it.
In this case it tends to be defended in the following ways:
1: Attacks with your weapons. They are living entities with names, so you need to be able to use the name to summon their power.
2: Magic spells. These have long incantations tied to them, the short versions only use the name for the incantation but are much weaker than the full version.
Also, 3: One Soul Reaper deliberately calls its blade by the wrong name so that it sulks and doesn't show its full power and real shape.
Quote from: Naldru on March 15, 2009, 11:44:26 PM
Since Dan has a warp-ACL, I don't see any reason why he couldn't go back to Lost Lake every night. Based on Fa'lina's conversation with Abel, SAIA attempts to be flexible. (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Ab_028.php)
However, since most students don't need to sleep the timetables can be really weird. It might be better if he studied at night and returned during the day when his friends aren't all sleeping, or if he came home at weekends or something.
Quote from: AmigaDragon on March 16, 2009, 04:05:01 AM
Not much. I get a whole 3 channels here and don't get such shows on any of them.
My understanding is that most people use less wholesome methods of getting the series...
Hi if I may add my two cents worth, I believe that crack was DP's arm breaking and his scream as well.
Quote from: foxxfurry on March 16, 2009, 09:06:05 AM
Hi if I may add my two cents worth, I believe that crack was DP's arm breaking and his scream as well.
No disrespect intended, but please note that this is the thread for #982 (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_982.php) while the one that you refer to is #983 (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_983.php)
Sorry :mowsad
hey, everyone makes mistakes. I've done the same thing on other boards so I understands.
Quote from: Jairus on March 16, 2009, 03:33:29 AM
Quote from: AmigaDragon on March 16, 2009, 03:10:33 AM
Quote from: Cvstos on March 15, 2009, 09:48:31 PM
Pfft. I wanna see blades rise out of the ground and hear someone say "Bankai. Scatter, Senbonzakura Kageyoshi." ;) That or see Dan flash-step behind DP and say "Hado Number 90: Kurohitsugi"
What's up with all theses (I presume) japanese words? They mean absolutely nothing to me and I'm sure many others.
It is a reference to the anime series "Bleach," about a group of shinigami ("death gods," basically the Grim Reaper) armed with zanpakutou ("Soul-cutting swords") who fight Hollows (basically malevolent ghosts). Zanpakutou have three forms at minimum: a sealed form, a shikai ("initial release"), and a bankai ("final release"), each of which has special abilities and is more powerful than the last.. In this case, the reference is to Byakuya Kuchiki, captain of the Sixth Division of the Shinigami squads, and his Zanpakutou "Senbonzakura" ("Thousand Cherry Blossoms"), which when released into its shikai form separates into hundreds of telepathically controlled tiny blades that catch the light and reflect it to make them look like cherry blossoms. In its bankai form, Senbonzakura becomes Senbonzakura Kageyoshi ("Vibrant Display of a Thousand Cherry Blossoms") which summons dozens of swords that divide into hundreds of thousands - if not millions - of tiny blades.
Flash step is simply the ability to move really freaking fast. To the point that you seem to teleport.
Hado ("way of destruction") are a subtype of Kido ("spirit way") which are magic spells. Number 90 basically summons a magical iron maiden to attack your opponent.
Does that all help?
EDIT: Why yes, I am a nerd. And to be fair, I cheated a little to help me get the translations right, so that the box does not attack me for not providing a translation for all of these foreign words. But I did know all of this stuff.
*Charles points at Jarius* NEEEEEEEEEEEEERRRRRRRRRRRRRDDDDDDDD!!!
*uses the distraction to escape with his own nerdiness!* Exit, stage right! :intro
Quote from: AmigaDragon on March 16, 2009, 03:10:33 AM
What's up with all theses (I presume) japanese words? They mean absolutely nothing to me and I'm sure many others.
Quote from: AmigaDragon on March 16, 2009, 04:05:01 AM
I've seen some webcomics where someone is spouting similar nonsense while they're performing an attack. You don't announce your attack to your opponent, that gives him better chance to counter it.
WRONGSIR!
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If you defeat your foe without giving your attacks Japanese names, you will require a do-over.
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/CallingYourAttacks
>:3
No no no, you allways name your attacks!
BUT you name them randomly and on the spot, extra points if you get the opponent to attempt to block the wrong sort of attack >:3
That pic further put the page was EPIC
Quote from: Buhamet on March 17, 2009, 03:12:26 PM
That pic further put the page was EPIC
Thanks. There was a whole thread of that kind of thing here:
http://clockworkmansion.com/forum/index.php/topic,4126.0.html
Lols
Just lols, some of those are seriously awesome
A thought occurs to me (and there are too many posts to which I'm replying so I'm not going to try to quote any of them):
(linked earlier in the thread but done here as well to make things easy) Dan's specialty, true to his clan, is pain. He also gets a lot out of doing what is right for the good of many. (http://"http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_528.php")
Now, as he sees it taking down Aliph permanently is what's best for the world in general. And there's an awful lot of pain emanating from both himself and Aliph. Even so, it almost looks like a draw.
But remember that Dan also just sucker-punched Regina in the face. (http://"http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_980.php") That's gotta hurt, and though it's not much compared to the combined effects of 1) being smashed in the face with a drinks tray and getting cut on the cheek by one of the broken glasses (http://"http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_971.php"); 2) getting bruised up from using himself as a club to hit the magic doors with (http://"http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_975.php") and then getting smacked halfway down the hall by the opening of said doors (http://"http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_979.php"); 3) Aliph's damaged wing (http://"http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_982.php"); 4) Aliph's claws embedded in Dan's chest (http://"http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_982.php"); and 5) Aliph's mangled hand/wrist (http://"http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_983.php"), it might just be the little extra boost Dan needs to get through this.
Then again, maybe not. Can pain Cubi feed off their own pain, or does it only count if it's someone else's? Good question, that. (It also brings up the issue of self-inflicted pain, however, and I'm not sure I want to open that can of worms although I probably just did.)
Quote from: PhoenixMiranda on March 19, 2009, 12:57:17 AM
Can pain Cubi feed off their own pain, or does it only count if it's someone else's? Good question, that. (It also brings up the issue of self-inflicted pain, however, and I'm not sure I want to open that can of worms although I probably just did.)
Read this - I suspect you'll find it interesting.
http://clockworkmansion.com/forum/index.php/topic,2262.0.html
Thanks, Tapewolf. No way am I going to be able to go through all the forum archives to see if something's already been addressed. Even the Search function is of limited use unless you know exactly what you're looking for.
I'll have a good look at that thread later--after I get home from work most likely.
Quote from: PhoenixMiranda on March 19, 2009, 01:57:27 PM
Thanks, Tapewolf. No way am I going to be able to go through all the forum archives to see if something's already been addressed. Even the Search function is of limited use unless you know exactly what you're looking for.
I'll have a good look at that thread later--after I get home from work most likely.
No problem. We've tried to collect most of the interesting points in the wiki, in case you're wondering how I found it so fast.
Quote from: Amber WilliamsThere has been a couple cases where adventurers have tried walling up a Cubi in expectations of it starving to death only for hundreds of years later unwitting adventurers unearthing a severly pissed on who happened to have the option to feed on its own rage. It's not the most common thing granted, but it is possible.
Emotion isn't the same kind of energy that normal energy is. It doesn't come from a hamburger, it can't be stored. In otherwords, your theory is going wrong because you assume that the emotional energy has to come from some form of reserve. A better example would likely be comparing emotions to sunlight and the Cubi having a form of photosynthesis that enables them to create their own energy from it.
Ok so I went and looked at it anyway. Was shorter than I'd thought it would be. And it answers my question. Didn't take as long to find as I'd expected. And the source is the one who should know, no less!
So apparently, it is possible for Dan to be feeding off his own pain here, provided he's among the Cubi who possess the ability. Though if he's actually figured out/been taught how to do that is as yet unknown.
Now the question remains: Is Dan one of those Cubi? And that thread didn't address the issue of self-inflicted pain (only one's own rage, which in the case of the walled Cubi is not self-inflicted), though if nobody wants to go there I can't say I blame them.
Oh yeah and I've seen the Wiki before...but I forgot about it and it was quite some time ago and there wasn't actually much information on it at the time. :P
Quote from: PhoenixMiranda on March 19, 2009, 02:24:48 PM
So apparently, it is possible for Dan to be feeding off his own pain here, provided he's among the Cubi who possess the ability. Though if he's actually figured out/been taught how to do that is as yet unknown.
We don't know. It has been suggested that Wildy smacking Azlan up with her staff when he died around 158 gave him enough pain to reboot, as it were. That assumes that Amber had thought as far ahead as to make him a pain incubus even then, of course - it may just be coincidence/serendipity/retcon.
Whether he can use his own pain is unclear, but it might work.
Mmm...nope. As of March 22, 2009 (http://"http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_985.php"), Dan cannot fuel himself on his own pain.
So either he is completely incapable of it, or it's just one of those talents that hasn't been unlocked yet.
Only time will tell, I suppose.
Also, it looks like Aliph hasn't completely lost his personality yet.
Quote from: PhoenixMiranda on March 22, 2009, 06:16:09 AM
Mmm...nope. As of March 22, 2009 (http://"http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_985.php"), Dan cannot fuel himself on his own pain.
Interestingly, it's implied by Ink in 528 that he can fuel himself on danger and justice.
Yep. This has been brought up before.
Quote from: PhoenixMiranda on March 22, 2009, 06:16:09 AMMmm...nope. As of March 22, 2009 (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_985.php), Dan cannot fuel himself on his own pain.
I dunno, I'm gonna go with "near-death injuries kind of cripple you even if your pain may give you enough strength to stay alive".
Quote from: Tapewolf on March 19, 2009, 03:39:34 PM
We don't know. It has been suggested that Wildy smacking Azlan up with her staff when he died around 158 gave him enough pain to reboot, as it were.
That wasn't anywhere near fatal, but it was enough pain to bring Dan back from an Aliph-inflicted gut wound that stopped his heart.
I see what you're getting at though. The pain's enough to keep him from dropping dead on the spot, but the wound is severe enough to prevent self-healing. Vicious cycle, that.
Remember as well, that pain and severity of injury do not perfectly correlate. Wounds to the face and hands are the most painful, as they have the highest nerve concentration on the body. Certain slim dagger thrusts to the ribcage or throat can miss the nerves entirely.
This probably lies somewhere in the middle. Also, if Dan is going into shock, he probably can't feel the pain, whcih might lessen his ability to use it.