Hey, Amber? I remember a while back (don't want to find and link the orignal thread, need to head to bed, and it's too much work :p), you commented that you had acquired permission from the creator of the net-famous character Zig Zag to use her in your comic. I was just wondering how that was going, and whether you had found a place to use her yet. Well? Can we expect Dan to be encountering a very sensual and sexually aware skunk yet, or not?
EDIT:
This (http://clockworkmansion.com/forum/index.php/topic,3735.60.html) is the thread and page, thanks to Naldru for looking it up. Lack of sleep really plays havoc on your mind :<
Heh.
If it's too much work for you to find the thread, maybe it's too much work for Amber to respond...
Quote from: Aleolus on May 16, 2008, 05:30:53 AM
Hey, Amber? I remember a while back (don't want to find and link the orignal thread, need to head to bed, and it's too much work :p), you commented that you had acquired permission from the creator of the net-famous character Zig Zag to use her in your comic. I was just wondering how that was going, and whether you had found a place to use her yet. Well? Can we expect Dan to be encountering a very sensual and sexually aware skunk yet, or not?
we can make a game from it! "Let's find Zig Zag in amongst the hoardes of amazons, fae, succubi, demonesses and other inclined beings and creatures all vying for Dan's attention because he's an incubus!"
it'd be like a freakish mix of "where's wally?" and "where in the world is carmen sandiago?"
Quote from: Turnsky on May 16, 2008, 05:36:32 AM
it'd be like a freakish mix of "where's wally?" and "where in the world is carmen sandiago?"
With a dash of XXX and a flavouring of X-ratings.
Quote from: llearch n'n'daCorna on May 16, 2008, 05:49:03 AM
Quote from: Turnsky on May 16, 2008, 05:36:32 AM
it'd be like a freakish mix of "where's wally?" and "where in the world is carmen sandiago?"
With a dash of XXX and a flavouring of X-ratings.
That is a very, very bad mental image.
Really? I kinda liked it, myself.
I just had a vision of ZigZag and Ink on a date. What do you think of the idea?
Edit:
http://clockworkmansion.com/forum/index.php/topic,3735.msg160676.html#msg160676 (http://clockworkmansion.com/forum/index.php/topic,3735.msg160676.html#msg160676)
Was there a later mention?
To find similar references, go to the search menu
Enter zig zag, zigzag or zig-zag in the box.
I guess since I'm already out of my mind, I should go out and look for it.
How about double date: Zig Zag, Ink, Wildy, Jyrras
Quote from: Naldru on May 16, 2008, 06:21:47 AM
I just had a vision of ZigZag and Ink on a date. What do you think of the idea?
I think you need to get out more. ;-]
Quote from: Naldru on May 16, 2008, 06:21:47 AM
I just had a vision of ZigZag and Ink on a date. What do you think of the idea?
i see Ink drinking a glass of a fine red wine on his favorite chair, ottoman resting on his Zig-Zag skin rug which adorns the space infront of his hearth & roaring fire.
my brain has not hemorrhaged this badly sinse i wondered what differences there would be between if ink and zina had offspring and if ink and keaton had offspring
i had nightmares for three days
Quote from: Turnsky on May 16, 2008, 06:45:11 AM
Quote from: Naldru on May 16, 2008, 06:21:47 AM
I just had a vision of ZigZag and Ink on a date. What do you think of the idea?
i see Ink drinking a glass of a fine red wine on his favorite chair, ottoman resting on his Zig-Zag skin rug which adorns the space infront of his hearth & roaring fire.
*Charline nods assertively* That is indeed the most likely outcome of the proposed scenario. Most logical.
IR serious Cubi. :3
Hooray for Zig! Zigs awesome on http://www.sabrina-online.com/2005-01.html (http://www.sabrina-online.com/2005-01.html) :boogie
But how would she be introduced? Old friend of Dan's? Walk-in to the Inn?
Heh...maybe shes a cubi that runs off pleasure...
Indeed, I agree! Zig is awesome, and we're just waiting for an update from Amber about when she'll be showing up :giggle
Maybe she was hoping we'd forget. As bad as Abel is for all the spots she has to draw, Zig's stripes might not be much better. Though in either case, the more clothing they wear, the fewer spots/stripes she has to draw.
Quote from: AmigaDragon on May 16, 2008, 07:16:05 PM
Though in either case, the more clothing they wear, the fewer spots/stripes she has to draw.
But its Zig, Zig always has
less clothing.
Well, I believe that if Zig ever really appears in the comic, she will make only a minor cameo, so she won't be able to cause Amber much troubles with her stripes. I cannot see much sense in Zig joining DMFA as a regular cast member (unless she will become a new villain - she would make an awesome evil succubus >:3). Oh, and if she does appear, I'm positively sure that she will be a succubus - that role would fit her perfectly. Either way, I cannot care less if she appears or not - I liked her in "Sabrina Online", but without Sabrina... Not sure if I want..
Amber will blow everyone's mind by having Zig's cameo character be a nun. >:3
Quote from: Alondro on May 16, 2008, 08:44:22 PM
Amber will blow everyone's mind by having Zig's cameo character be a nun. >:3
Blow? Hardly. It would give me a good laugh, though. :3
Heh. Nah.
Now, maybe a monk. With those attributes, and being a guy....
She'll just be an instructional video producer. Maybe.
For a cameo, she doesn't even have to be "Zig Zag". I've seen other cameos where she or other characters have appeared with other names and professions.
is it bad that despite the fact that I've read this whole thread so far... I still can't get the image of a xxx where's waldo scene out of my head
Just reread the Sabrina archive and I must say when she does show up it will be awesome.
Eric's strip or Chris' fanfic?
Eric's strip
considering Amber said at some point that doing a webcomic with third part characters is not a very good idea, I don't think her presence will be longer than 5 strips or so.
However, I do like the idea of seeing ZZ on Amber style
(http://file032a.bebo.com/12/large/2007/10/05/20/3161238883a5741501396l.jpg)
Sorry, but its impossible for me to think of anything other then these guys on a thread like this.
ooh! Oooh! Idea! Instead of using Zig in the main comic, Amber could introduce her in Abel's Story as a potential romantic interest for Abel! Then bring her into the main comic at some point, coming to check up on him!
Quote from: Aleolus on May 17, 2008, 11:48:54 AM
ooh! Oooh! Idea! Instead of using Zig in the main comic, Amber could introduce her in Abel's Story as a potential romantic interest for Abel! Then bring her into the main comic at some point, coming to check up on him!
That seems unlikely to me, since I believe that Abel's story is original characters only. If she shows up, I suspect it will be in the main comic or in a one-off side thing.
This entire thread has become horrible. :C
Please tell me this is all a joke that I'm not in on. Please.
zig would most likely take more time than Abel to draw...in theory anyway. Personally I coudn't see her in the Abel storyline unless she appeared as an instructor...teaching seduction techniques, or something in a classroom.
as for the DMFA storyline I could see her fitting in practically anywhere, showing up at the bar for a drink.
and in an imaginary parallel dimension or fanfiction I could see her easily manipulating Sabrina into doing... lost my trail of thought there. what were we talking about again.
Quote from: Zina on May 17, 2008, 01:12:22 PM
This entire thread has become horrible. :C
Please tell me this is all a joke that I'm not in on. Please.
Ees fun thread.
You fun too, yes?
Quote from: Deebs on May 17, 2008, 01:55:51 PM
Ees fun thread.
You fun too, yes?
Yes, Zina is a lot of fun.
Fun for us, anyway.
Oi llearch, I just sorted out all my bookmarks(took an hour, bleugh), and I have 162 comics not in my other list, bringing the total to306! just five short of you! and Elf only Inn is updating every other week or so, worth reading again if you're bored.
Also would it be just Zig that appears? Maybe Dan finally finds an amazon group(besides the flashback) and theres Zig and maybe a couple girls from the studio(referring to Sabrina Online)? Maybe Zig is on a conference trip or something and brings Sabrina along(Jyrras+Sabrina=computer friends?).
Quote from: Zina on May 17, 2008, 01:12:22 PM
This entire thread has become horrible. :C
Please tell me this is all a joke that I'm not in on. Please.
the Zig-Zag in comic? possibly..
Ink sipping a nice Chianti with a Zig-Zag Pelt infront of his fireplace?.. possibly not >:3
Quote from: Turnsky on May 17, 2008, 08:29:42 PM
the Zig-Zag in comic? possibly..
Ink sipping a nice Chianti with a Zig-Zag Pelt infront of his fireplace?.. possibly not >:3
Kill and skin her??? That'd be a waste!
....or Hannah would have competition for Furrae's hottest undead? :B
Quote from: Deebs' servant on May 17, 2008, 10:11:28 PM
Quote from: Turnsky on May 17, 2008, 08:29:42 PM
the Zig-Zag in comic? possibly..
Ink sipping a nice Chianti with a Zig-Zag Pelt infront of his fireplace?.. possibly not >:3
Kill and skin her??? That'd be a waste!
Not for Ink... for that wicked creature, gruesome murder and the display of the victim is sex... *shudders, knowing the true depths of Ink's horrid depravity!*
Quote from: Reese Tora on May 17, 2008, 12:36:51 PM
That seems unlikely to me, since I believe that Abel's story is original characters only.
no.
http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Abel_56.php
Quote from: Alondro on May 17, 2008, 10:42:47 PM
Quote from: Deebs' servant on May 17, 2008, 10:11:28 PM
Kill and skin her??? That'd be a waste!
Not for Ink... for that wicked creature, gruesome murder and the display of the victim is sex... *shudders, knowing the true depths of Ink's horrid depravity!*
Ink babies would be awesome. 'Babies first needle' pictures.
Quote from: Deebs' servant on May 17, 2008, 10:11:28 PM
Quote from: Turnsky on May 17, 2008, 08:29:42 PM
the Zig-Zag in comic? possibly..
Ink sipping a nice Chianti with a Zig-Zag Pelt infront of his fireplace?.. possibly not >:3
Kill and skin her??? That'd be a waste!
well, skin her anyway, i'm sure ink has methods of skinning folks alive.
Quote from: Deebs' servant on May 17, 2008, 11:00:46 PM
Hmmm....could pregnant women be zombified without losing the child? Cause if for Ink sex is gruesome murder, the only possible time for conception would be during murder. So his only chance for babies is for the murdered woman to become undead after fertilization, assuming undead can still carry living children carried over from life.
Or, if the murder was interrupted or involved a second not being murdered.
Ink babies would be awesome. 'Babies first needle' pictures.
Oh for crying out...thats enough. You have officially tried my patience and tolerance.. I swear if you comment one more time in this thread, I will smack down on you so hard that this entire thread will get knocked down into Castle Keep from the impact.
I agree wholeheartedly, Amber. I know you were avoiding commenting because you didn't want to commit one way or another on ZZ, but thank you for dealing with that!
Seriously, I thought this section was supposed to remain fairly kid friendly. That certainly wasn't.
Quote from: Darkmoon on May 17, 2008, 11:56:32 PM
Seriously, I thought this section was supposed to remain fairly kid friendly. That certainly wasn't.
In a thread about Zig Zag? Kid friendly? Not in a million years!
Knowing nothing about "Zig Zag," we don't really care.
Zig Zag unknown?!? We can't let that slide! http://furry.wikia.com/wiki/Zig_Zag
Or you can get a good idea of what she's like in Eric Schwartz's strip http://www.sabrina-online.com/archive.html starting in 1999 2nd quarter (the front door of the studio is seen at the end of 1st quarter).
I think the point Damaris was making that regardless of discussions talked about, this section of the forum is PG. And its kind of pointless to hide behind the argument that the character being talked about is normally a non-PG character. If it is beyond your capabilities to behave in a proper manner, then the administration will have to act for you.
And I think I speak for everyone in saying no one wants the admins to have to step in and do that.
I agree.
So tell us, Amber, any idea when we'll be seeing her?
If a thread like this happens again, likely never. Her appearance is optional, and really the only reason I decided to possibly cameo her was because Max is a great person and we joked about her showing up in a PG comic like DMFA a couple Anthrocons ago.
However, I dont like feeling badgered about it. If she shows up, she'll show up when the story permits. I cant give a timeline anymore than I can give a timeline for anything that may happen in DMFA.
Understood. Feel free to lock this thread, then, and let it die in obscurity on the back pages of the forum
Quote from: Amber Williams on May 18, 2008, 02:45:44 AM
However, I dont like feeling badgered about it.
ah yes, badgering for cameo, a certain someone can attest to what happened when he badgered for a cameo >:3
Quote from: Turnsky on May 18, 2008, 04:57:09 AM
ah yes, badgering for cameo, a certain someone can attest to what happened when he badgered for a cameo >:3
Mwahahahaha!
Quote from: llearch n'n'daCorna on May 18, 2008, 05:18:10 AM
Quote from: Turnsky on May 18, 2008, 04:57:09 AM
ah yes, badgering for cameo, a certain someone can attest to what happened when he badgered for a cameo >:3
Mwahahahaha!
could be worse. Could have been Ink drawing the cameo...
Quote from: Zina on May 17, 2008, 01:12:22 PM
This entire thread has become horrible. :C
Please tell me this is all a joke that I'm not in on. Please.
Unfortunately, no. Though I'm now passed the stage of sadness and disgust, and am now just laughing at how stupid people sound. :3
Quote from: Saist on May 18, 2008, 05:32:29 AM
Quote from: llearch n'n'daCorna on May 18, 2008, 05:18:10 AM
Quote from: Turnsky on May 18, 2008, 04:57:09 AM
ah yes, badgering for cameo, a certain someone can attest to what happened when he badgered for a cameo >:3
Mwahahahaha!
could be worse. Could have been Ink drawing the cameo...
i doubt ink coulda made the cameo of which i speak of any less....bloody.
8) Well, If Zig Zag was a teacher of seduction at S.A.I.A in Abel's Story ( 2 ) ...
i know i'm not an Admin, nor a mod.. but, i get the feeling that this thread should be nuked from orbit, just to be sure. :U
If we do, people will be stupid somewhere else.
It's inevitable. *shrug*
Quote from: llearch n'n'daCorna on May 18, 2008, 07:53:44 AM
If we do, people will be stupid somewhere else.
It's inevitable. *shrug*
The sad thing is, this is true. It's better that the stupidity is (hopefully) contained within one thread. That way we'll all be spared of some individuals' idiocy in others. Hopefully.
I can see it now.
ZZ in a cameo of DMFA...
with ZZ talking to someone in the buff completely covered by well placed walls and speach bubbbles... in the background so that she doesn't need to be detailed and easily missed at first glance.
The thing I like about Amber is that she usually defies predictions.
One of the reasons I get irritated by people constantly giving their guess on what happens next.
Quote from: Sofox on May 18, 2008, 12:26:19 PM
The thing I like about Amber is that she usually defies predictions.
One of the reasons I get irritated by people constantly giving their guess on what happens next.
I only said what I said for two reasons...
1 - ZZ is such a complicated charactor to get right that someone could go blind just getting all the stripes on her body.
2 - I also said I imagined it that way in order to keep true to ZZ's prefrence of limited cloths and Ambers determination to keep this comic suitable for all ages.
Or she just put, you know, actual clothes on her anyway. Or not include Zig Zag at all. That could happen, as revolutionary as it might sound.
Quote from: Gareeku on May 18, 2008, 02:08:46 PM
Or she just put, you know, actual clothes on her anyway. Or not include Zig Zag at all. That could happen, as revolutionary as it might sound.
... probably sticking my paw in my mouth here... but if Amber was doing cameos... I'd rather her do people from the forum first... granted, in cameo involving me would probably be along the lines of the ... ahem... generic cameo destruction *insert name here* comic. Either that or a frying pan to the head at AC for proper conceptual vision of what "dead cat" looks like.
anyways, there is a precedent set in Sabrina-Online for Zig Zag showing up in a proper dress. Personally, like Sabrina, she's far cuter in the office dress... but since I can't get to Eric's site right now (page timeout), I'm unable to link the couple of comics in question.
On the other hand, I would tend to agree with perception that Zig Zag's inclusion is a little... out of character for the DMFA universe. E.G., when FKK / Kenji's cameo came up during the production of Wildy's shonen-ai book, it fit the circumstances surrounding the event. Similar with Pink / Lore's appearance far earlier in the comic. They fit the part of what needed to be there for the purposes of the story.
Including Cameo's for the sake of including cameos is a... I'm reluctant to say bad storyline progression... since I'm by no means a webcomic artist... but I can easily come up with several dozen dead Keenspace comics that were mostly nothing but cameos of the artists friends and people from what passed for a community.
To me, the hardest part is knowing when to say no. A couple of friends that have read through some of the FanFic stuff that's floating around from me have asked why they haven't shown up, while other friends have. Case in point is the Tabula Rasa fanfic (http://zerias.blogspot.com/2007/11/bane-encounter.html) I started writing, and stopped posting when the developers went brain dead. Anyways, simple answer was, there isn't always a place for that person's avatar in the world that's being written.
If Zig Zag fits in a storyline, at some point... then great. Trying to force the storyline to a point where a Zig Zag cameo is plausible within the realm of DMFA? That's... lousy.
Quote from: Saist on May 18, 2008, 04:04:29 PM
If Zig Zag fits in a storyline, at some point... then great. Trying to force the storyline to a point where a Zig Zag cameo is plausible within the realm of DMFA? That's... lousy.
For the sake of arguement there are cities where clothing is optional in the DMFA world
Quote from: Madmann135 on May 18, 2008, 04:11:41 PM
Quote from: Saist on May 18, 2008, 04:04:29 PM
If Zig Zag fits in a storyline, at some point... then great. Trying to force the storyline to a point where a Zig Zag cameo is plausible within the realm of DMFA? That's... lousy.
For the sake of arguement there are cities where clothing is optional in the DMFA world
I believe Amber has also made it quite clear that these cities will NOT show up in the DMFA story arcs.
Madmann135: Wasn't directed at you.
Long story short: If she does include Zig Zag, she will handle it well, of this I have no doubt.
Zig-Zag should be a robot.
From the future.
Sent back in time to obtain the perfect hamburger recipe the only way she knows how.
.....
.......
Farming a difficult dungeon till it drops!
Dang - all of this yammering... about a character hardly more complex than a generic pin-up.
"Sabrina's" character has some depth.
"Zig-Zag's"? Not so much. Manipulative, self-centered, tragic background and all. Cardboard-cutout character.
Maybe somebody's grafted a personality onto her in a fanfic someplace, but it isn't showing up in the online comic.
I LIKED the "Sabrina Online" comic. I keep hoping Eric Schwartz will get over his Zig-Zag obsession and continue his comic's plot. It's been on "hold" for 'way too long. What a waste.
agiogeh I don't know what is worse, the 'BIG FURRY BOOBS PLZ' aspect of this thread, or the 'lol i am so much more mature than you guys' group.
|3 We're all losers. It's okay, guys.
If cubi feed on emotions, that would mean that Fa'lina might well organize events that would provide plenty of emotions for them to feed on. If that's the case and there are cubi who feed on sexual emotions, it would seem that somebody would have to organize orgies for SAIA. I think ZigZag would be well suited. (Of course, she very rarely wears a suit.)
By the way, somebody complained about my entering bad puns. Believe me, I don't post the really bad puns. They are so baaaad, I would feel sheepish about posting them.
Quote from: icarus on May 17, 2008, 10:57:49 PM
Quote from: Reese Tora on May 17, 2008, 12:36:51 PM
That seems unlikely to me, since I believe that Abel's story is original characters only.
no.
http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Abel_56.php
I had forgotten about that. Still, I do believe that the intention is/was to keep as many of the characters thsoe belonging to Amber so as to increase the viability or turning the comic into a selable product in terms of dead-tree forminess.
Quote from: Attic Rat on May 18, 2008, 10:30:18 PM
Dang - all of this yammering... about a character hardly more complex than a generic pin-up.
"Sabrina's" character has some depth.
"Zig-Zag's"? Not so much. Manipulative, self-centered, tragic background and all. Cardboard-cutout character.
Maybe somebody's grafted a personality onto her in a fanfic someplace, but it isn't showing up in the online comic.
I LIKED the "Sabrina Online" comic. I keep hoping Eric Schwartz will get over his Zig-Zag obsession and continue his comic's plot. It's been on "hold" for 'way too long. What a waste.
Well, consider that Zig is a relatively minor supporting character in SO, she's not meant to ahve a lot of characterization. There's a series of written stories (mentioned earlier in this thread, IIRC) that are about Zig, and I understand that they increase her depth of character quite a lot. Of course, they're not written by Zig's creator, so I don't know how cannon they can be considered.(as you said, 'some fan fic', though I believe this one is sanctioned by MBR)
Quote from: Kenji on May 18, 2008, 07:19:41 PM
Zig-Zag should be a robot.
From the future.
Sent back in time to obtain the perfect hamburger recipe the only way she knows how.
.....
.......
Farming a difficult dungeon till it drops!
But Pyroduck's from the future as well! ...Apparently.
What if they met? Oh no! :U
Heaven forbid ZZ starts gambling as well!
Though darn, those burgers taste goooooooood~...
IIRC, ZigZag was not created by Eric Schwartz. I just took a look at the bottom of http://www.sabrina-online.com/thismonth.html (http://www.sabrina-online.com/thismonth.html) and it gives some information about ZigZag.
i am sorry i had to say something - but i agree with saiest - cameos just for the sake of cameos doesnt fit in the DMFA storyline
zig zag may be famous - heck theres alot of famous characters from comics - but just to put her in to dmfa to make the fans happy
damn people
its ambers comic!! she can do with it what she wants!!!
please let this thread die already!
That's probably enough right there.
As you wish...
Ok. Seriously. Did NO ONE read my previous statement of?
Quote from: Amber Williams on May 18, 2008, 02:45:44 AM
If a thread like this happens again, likely never. Her appearance is optional, and really the only reason I decided to possibly cameo her was because Max is a great person and we joked about her showing up in a PG comic like DMFA a couple Anthrocons ago.
I. decided. to. cameo. her. because. Max. Blackrabbit. and. I. are. friends.
What right does anyone here have to say who is more deservivng of a cameo? Or which of my friends characters can or can't be giving a passing role. So Max's character is more well-known. WOOOPIDY DOO. Does that make my friendship with somewhat less valid? Should I tell him "Sorry Max! I guess your stuff is just too durn popular to get a cameo from me! Better luck next time!"?
I would like to have thought you people would have had more faith in me and my writing abilities. That you guys would have figured I would have SOME creative skill to be able to work a character into the story without it being blatent cameo. Its not like I haven't done that most the previous times I did a cameo. OH WAIT.
Honestly? I am upset. I am fuuuurious in fact. And mostly, I am dissapointed. You guys have taken what was meant to be a friendly gesture to a friend and turned it into a three ring circus, and you have not only insulted Max, you have insulted me. Thanks a lot guys for ruining the simple pleasure of having a friends character drop into my comic.