I wonder who the father is.
I can summarize this in one word,awkward,but wait what if the father ends up being albanion?*cue thunder and lightning*
Plot twist! :dancers
:blink
*mind broken*
actually I suspected back when Mab was doing the adoption interview.
when she turned to the couple closed the door and said "Kids these days"
Curse you Willis, I mean Williams.
My mind is surprised. Seriously, I wish movies had plot twists this fun.
I bet Jyrras is the dad. He seems to always accidently have kids in impossible ways anyways.
Quote from: Cogidubnus on November 02, 2007, 12:15:58 AM
:blink
*mind broken*
*same here*
I am speechless...or wait, is that textless? I don't know THIRD BASE.
I have just one thing to say:
Way to skip out on your grandparents' deaths, Rose!
Amber. Is. A. Genius.
So wonderful...
See, you've thrown out so much bullhonkery that you've left us jaded. This is now rated a 'meh' on my surprise meter.
I can see where...Okays no my brain still hurts
Quote from: Manawolf on November 02, 2007, 01:16:28 AM
See, you've thrown out so much bullhonkery that you've left us jaded. This is now rated a 'meh' on my surprise meter.
If Mana isn't amazed, NO ONE IS.
Try harder, Amber.
>:[
Quote from: superluser on November 02, 2007, 12:56:44 AM
I have just one thing to say:
Way to skip out on your grandparents' deaths, Rose!
That's because.... SHE MURDERED THEM! :erk
(I think I'm kidding.)
Quote from: AndersW on November 02, 2007, 12:08:03 AM
I wonder who the father is.
Didn't Amber just get through explaining last week that Fae just appear? No father is necessary. (Not that there wasn't, though...)
Haaang on a second...
*reads it again*
Well, I'll be darned. I didn't see that coming. o_o
Quote from: Zina on November 02, 2007, 01:30:43 AM
Quote from: Manawolf on November 02, 2007, 01:16:28 AM
See, you've thrown out so much bullhonkery that you've left us jaded. This is now rated a 'meh' on my surprise meter.
If Mana isn't amazed, NO ONE IS.
Try harder, Amber.
>:[
Sorry! Perhaps if you actually fed me and gave me a blanket down here in this cold basement... :U
Quote from: Amber Williams on November 02, 2007, 01:39:02 AM
Quote from: Zina on November 02, 2007, 01:30:43 AM
Quote from: Manawolf on November 02, 2007, 01:16:28 AM
See, you've thrown out so much bullhonkery that you've left us jaded. This is now rated a 'meh' on my surprise meter.
If Mana isn't amazed, NO ONE IS.
Try harder, Amber.
>:[
Sorry! Perhaps if you actually fed me and gave me a blanket down here in this cold basement... :U
I told you, you have to EARN food and warmth. Have you earned it? >:[
Quote from: Zina on November 02, 2007, 01:44:58 AM
Quote from: Amber Williams on November 02, 2007, 01:39:02 AM
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Quote from: Manawolf on November 02, 2007, 01:16:28 AM
See, you've thrown out so much bullhonkery that you've left us jaded. This is now rated a 'meh' on my surprise meter.
If Mana isn't amazed, NO ONE IS.
Try harder, Amber.
>:[
Sorry! Perhaps if you actually fed me and gave me a blanket down here in this cold basement... :U
I told you, you have to EARN food and warmth. Have you earned it? >:[
:<
That's what I thought.
What a tweest!
[/m. night shyamalan]
Truth be told, I did debate about holding off on this for a bit since it was following up a prior surprise and some people would likely complain about the very *wham-bam* feel. But then I realized that would be stupid since I'd then have to fill in with a bunch of filler and drag my heels away from the actual story.
Though props to TGH for catching the super-subtle hint about Mab's dialogue in the interview comic.
Quote from: Amber Williams on November 02, 2007, 02:26:20 AM
Truth be told, I did debate about holding off on this for a bit since it was following up a prior surprise and some people would likely complain about the very *wham-bam* feel. But then I realized that would be stupid since I'd then have to fill in with a bunch of filler and drag my heels away from the actual story.
Though props to TGH for catching the super-subtle hint about Mab's dialogue in the interview comic.
I like to be surpized by many twists you make Amber but you gotta be sure you gotta not overdo it hun...Sides its good as its gonna get. Yet yes major kudos to TGH....If only there was probley you could keep the comic going without the alot major twists that unfold alot
I would twist, but I've been doing it so much, my ankle snapped O.O
*mindbending surprises as always* :D
A-another twist?! This plot resembles a 13-dimensional pretzel by now!
Quote from: Amber Williams on November 02, 2007, 01:49:27 AM
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Quote from: Manawolf on November 02, 2007, 01:16:28 AM
See, you've thrown out so much bullhonkery that you've left us jaded. This is now rated a 'meh' on my surprise meter.
If Mana isn't amazed, NO ONE IS.
Try harder, Amber.
>:[
Sorry! Perhaps if you actually fed me and gave me a blanket down here in this cold basement... :U
I told you, you have to EARN food and warmth. Have you earned it? >:[
:<
*Sneaks Amber cookies and some warm cocoa*
The Auld Grump
It's more like she's been feeding us plot twist cake, but then this comes off as more of muffin, if anyone can understand that analogy.
Edit: You packed us with so much twisty sweetness that this smidge more is kind of on the descent of favoring all that goodness. I'm tired, I think I'll go to bed.
*bumps into Amber, pickpockets the Steamroller keys, and flushes the toilet*
There... now that solves that...
Ok that grass skirt must be spinning like a propeller now with all the plot twisting. I was blind sided by that one
I've heard of state farm dropping people for little or no reason, that's why I would never deal with them.
I would recommend CAA they told me that once I was approved I wouldn't be dropped for any reason and their rates are really reasonable, the only catch is in order to get it in the first place you have to be a member, but with towing car boosting and all the other goodies of membership it is worth it
ok who is the father :3
My List of idea
Abel
Dan
biggs
pip
Someone we never saw
Dark Pegasus
Actually, what's most surprising to me is how this affects things retroactively. For instance, Mab trying to flirt with Merlitz way back when.
It also makes me wonder who he father is, although Amber has said that in some cases it can happen with only one parent (I used to know the scientific name for that).
Another question it raises is who got recycled into Rose.
DAMN YOU Computer Nerd!
Parthenogenesis (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parthenogenesis)
Quote from: Kuari on November 02, 2007, 04:41:43 AM
*bumps into Amber, pickpockets the Steamroller keys, and flushes the toilet*
There... now that solves that...
When you purchase a vehicle, it normally comes with two sets of keys.
Quote from: Naldru on November 02, 2007, 05:52:03 AM
Quote from: Kuari on November 02, 2007, 04:41:43 AM
*bumps into Amber, pickpockets the Steamroller keys, and flushes the toilet*
There... now that solves that...
When you purchase a vehicle, it normally comes with two sets of keys.
....frig... and now she's onto me. QUICK!!! Someone get the other set before she takes the Steamroller out on another Carmaggedon style murder spree!!!
OMG ... unexpected ! ... but fun ... more plot twisting ! :mowcookie
*On his knees, talking about his brain*
You Maniacs! You blew it up! Ah, damn you! God damn you all to hell!
honestly... I don't think I was shocked. I think #836 dropped a less telegraphed bomb. Like TGH, I double taked over the "Kids these days" line but simply wrote it off as Rose being an extremely young fae.
It also was less of a shock for logical reasons. Mab hasn't been in the fae kingdom for a long period of DMFA comic time. There is an explicit reference that Mab was exiled from the Fae kingdom...a plot line that was followed up on when we found out Nutmeg's tail wasn't as fluffy as Mab's (or if it might be said, James and RJ as well).
If Mab was in a state of non-communication... why was she able to get a handle on Rose all of a sudden? And why would Rose suddenly fill in for Mab's place? Ergo, Rose is either close friend, or... something more. The question then, I think, is how the story plays out from here. As I see it, Rose can go into some kind of "well, not really my mom, but close enough" or "hey, I'm really a purple kitten fae that was shape shifted so you wouldn't catchon!"
***
As to her Dad? ... Well, call me.. um... crazy... but if I recall the Fae background properly, only Fae can deliver Fae. So, that would mean that Mab's "husband" was probably a fae as well.
... Ooooo Mr. Azlan, you wouldn't happen to have a daughter you neglected to tell us about :mowwink :mowtongue
When I herd Rose's last line I said the same thin Jyrras said. Though with a lot of searching there is a bit of family resemblance, like their pendants and eyes. Rose's has a green (ish) pendant and purple eyes, Mab has purple pendant and green (ish) eyes. Lets not forget that their fashion sense is a little similar.
Though Mab being a mom was as surprising as her orange super hero costume. I was surprised that it was orange not that she had a superhero costume.
Quote from: je.saist on November 02, 2007, 07:18:53 AM
... Ooooo Mr. Azlan, you wouldn't happen to have a daughter you neglected to tell us about :mowwink :mowtongue
And that's the last time he lets Neni suggest swinging? (Oh, I think I hear the handbasket express warming up for me)
Quote from: Amber Williams on November 02, 2007, 01:39:02 AM
Sorry! Perhaps if you actually fed me and gave me a blanket down here in this cold basement... :U
But I have fed you... maybe I should have put an afghan in with the cookies and cake
And once again, my mind goes ...zah? :erk
You know I do remember thinking with the antanae, hey those are similar but dismissed it as nothing. Looking again, not only that but the gem in shape is similar also. Spooky.
I took the kids these days comment from the fact Mab said Rose was younger :( DAMN YOU SUBTLE CLUES. This certainly popped outta nowhere though,
...My reaction when I saw this: "Whaaaaaaaaa...?" :erk
So Mab's a mommy. And the first question that pops into my mind: I wonder if Rose is gonna get her own profile now that kinda-sorta-maybe-integral fact has been revealed.
That is unless she's a mommy from another time. It's now gotten hard to tell with Fae.
I'm not getting how this is supposed to be a twist. We hardly know Rose, and she certainly didn't have time to explain that she was Mab's daughter (or...yeah, I'm not going there). So I assume from Jyrras' reaction that I'm supposed to be shocked, but it really doesn't seem to be anything but normal exposition to me.
Quote from: superluser on November 02, 2007, 11:06:53 AM
I'm not getting how this is supposed to be a twist. We hardly know Rose, and she certainly didn't have time to explain that she was Mab's daughter (or...yeah, I'm not going there). So I assume from Jyrras' reaction that I'm supposed to be shocked, but it really doesn't seem to be anything but normal exposition to me.
Ah, phew, and here I feared I was the only one who thought so.
This is pretty much a "...so?" case since it's been pretty much established that Fae are pretty much masters of time and space and don't even reproduce the way most other races do.
If today's revelation had come before this arc, it would have been a twist in the "OMG!" category (just imagine Rose walking into Lost Lake, casually asking if anybody had seen Mom), but at the moment, it's more a case of "Ahu."
Don't get me wrong, it's not a bad or underwhelming comic, but the fan reaction here makes me wonder if I'm missing something...
I don't see Jyrras as being surprised because of Rose being Mab's daughter. I think he's more surprised with Mab being a mother, and yet barely ever acting like one, or never mentioning it. But he should be getting used to Fae peculiarities. If one can ever get used to them.
"Z"
i initially thought that albanion was the father because i remembered him having green antennas. But his are white, so darn.
So that's what the beeping sound was. Amber backing up the steamroller over us all again.
And of -course- it's going to have less effect - after all, we're already flat. ;-]
Or, Maybe she didn't have a husband.
As maybe she just adopted a fae soul that was being reborn?
Eh? Eh?!
Think outside the box here people.. . . as comfy as llearch is. . >:3
Well, I did actually think of this when Mab said the "Kids these days" line... but I thought there was no way Amber would go there.
I was wrong. This is Charline level twistiness. I mean, at this point having Fa'Lina as the father is the only way to make it more strange.
*Charline erms* Don't give Amber ideas. The Fae simply don't resemble their parents because they don't rely on genetic inheritance. I doubt they even have a proper atomic/molecular structure. Besides, I'm the father. >:3
*Charles* :U Nuuuu!
Amber already stated that there isn't really a need for a mother and father with fea didn't she?
Something along the line of "*poof* there is the baby" :)
Quote from: Timothy on November 02, 2007, 12:25:07 PM
Amber already stated that there isn't really a need for a mother and father with fea didn't she?
Something along the line of "*poof* there is the baby" :)
*Charline attacks!* NO! I'm the father! Me me me! IR AM HERM NOWS!!
*Charles* :erk See, this is why cats shouldn't eat Halloween candy... Even Cubi cats can't metabolize all that theobromine and theophylline! ;)
I have just one reaction to this comic.
:erk :erk :erk :mowdizzy :mowdizzy My brain hurts now!
Quote from: Alondro on November 02, 2007, 12:31:25 PM
Quote from: Timothy on November 02, 2007, 12:25:07 PM
Amber already stated that there isn't really a need for a mother and father with fea didn't she?
Something along the line of "*poof* there is the baby" :)
*Charline attacks!* NO! I'm the father! Me me me! IR AM HERM NOWS!!
*Charles* :erk See, this is why cats shouldn't eat Halloween candy... Even Cubi cats can't metabolize all that theobromine and theophylline! ;)
how bout bunnies can we eat candy?
*eyes the several pounds of factory seconds he picked up dirt cheep*
Quote from: Alondro on November 02, 2007, 12:20:49 PM
I was wrong. This is Charline level twistiness. I mean, at this point having Fa'Lina as the father is the only way to make it more strange.
A smite isn't enough here for the all-cubi-all-the-timers.
Here. Hold this (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tsar_Bomba).
Now if you excuse me while I retreat to a safe distance. Like Saturn. :mwaha
Quote from: DarkAudit on November 02, 2007, 01:28:45 PM
Quote from: Alondro on November 02, 2007, 12:20:49 PM
I was wrong. This is Charline level twistiness. I mean, at this point having Fa'Lina as the father is the only way to make it more strange.
A smite isn't enough here for the all-cubi-all-the-timers.
Here. Hold this (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tsar_Bomba).
Now if you excuse me while I retreat to a safe distance. Like Saturn. :mwaha
*Charline sings* Cubi, cubi, cubi! All evil everyday! Cubi, cubi, cubi! With your organs we will play!
Second verse, same as the first! :boogie
Mmmh... seems that the vein of awkward is still profitable...
* calling to the local broker to invest in it *
Quote from: Tikki on November 02, 2007, 07:40:14 AM
Quote from: je.saist on November 02, 2007, 07:18:53 AM
... Ooooo Mr. Azlan, you wouldn't happen to have a daughter you neglected to tell us about :mowwink :mowtongue
And that's the last time he lets Neni suggest swinging? (Oh, I think I hear the handbasket express warming up for me)
/me ponders theorizing that the Neni shown in the wallpaper is Mab shapeshifted.
Quote from: Amber Williams on November 02, 2007, 01:49:27 AM
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Quote from: Manawolf on November 02, 2007, 01:16:28 AM
See, you've thrown out so much bullhonkery that you've left us jaded. This is now rated a 'meh' on my surprise meter.
If Mana isn't amazed, NO ONE IS.
Try harder, Amber.
>:[
Sorry! Perhaps if you actually fed me and gave me a blanket down here in this cold basement... :U
I told you, you have to EARN food and warmth. Have you earned it? >:[
:<
*Sneaks Amber some food and a small but easy to conceal blanket*
Shh! One of the stones in the wall has a strange design on it. You'll know it when you see it. It's loose, remove it and you'll find a place to hide the blanket. In a few days you will find the razor blade inside it. Then you know what to do.
:batman :mowninja
No feeding the artists!
Quote from: Kenji on November 02, 2007, 03:52:11 PM
:batman :mowninja
No feeding the artists!
Excuse me! they prefer to be called art monkeys.
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Quote from: Kenji on November 02, 2007, 03:52:11 PM
:batman :mowninja
No feeding the artists!
Excuse me! they prefer to be called art monkeys.
Until she starts throwing stuff she shouldn't be, no monkey for her.
Huh. I sort of assumed Rose was an apprentice or admired Mab or something, seeing as how they dressed similarly. Didn't see "daughter" coming.
i just thought that they were old friends, it seemed sane at the time.
I have a sneaking suspicion that the steamroller is circling the block for another go.
And she hasn't fired the nitrous yet. D:
I noticed their antenna glow bits are both green is that a sign of family relation?
Quote from: AnizInDisguise on November 02, 2007, 03:35:50 PM
In a few days you will find the razor blade inside it. Then you know what to do.
Down the road, not across the street?
I was just wondering how long Mab has been holding the grudge about being exiled due to the fluffiness of her tale. I would assume that it occurred after Rose was born but before Dan was about five years old (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_558.php). The main question is how much contact Rose and Mab had during this period.
Quote from: Raist on November 02, 2007, 06:16:15 PM
Quote from: AnizInDisguise on November 02, 2007, 03:35:50 PM
In a few days you will find the razor blade inside it. Then you know what to do.
Down the road, not across the street?
/me grabs Janus and TGH, stuffs them in a trebuchet, then fires the both of them upon Raist.
Quote from: Sid on November 02, 2007, 11:33:48 AMDon't get me wrong, it's not a bad or underwhelming comic
Oop! Forgot to add this.
Quote from: Naldru on November 02, 2007, 07:11:40 PM
I was just wondering how long Mab has been holding the grudge about being exiled due to the fluffiness of her tale. I would assume that it occurred after Rose was born but before Dan was about five years old (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_558.php). The main question is how much contact Rose and Mab had during this period.
Aha, but what if Mab can change her appearance! I have a kitsune character who got bored once, sort of a mid-life crisis after she hit 600ish and changed herback into a child form just to be young again! Of course.. she did get bored with that too but...
Quote from: Raist on November 02, 2007, 06:16:15 PM
Quote from: AnizInDisguise on November 02, 2007, 03:35:50 PM
In a few days you will find the razor blade inside it. Then you know what to do.
Down the road, not across the street?
You've got it! XD Sorry about that comic but I recently read 1984 and the razorblade idea stuck in my head.
*notices Janus and TGH flying at Raist*
I got it!
*grabs Kenji and tosses him, intercepting the other two*
Quote from: Tikki on November 02, 2007, 11:12:10 PM
Quote from: Naldru on November 02, 2007, 07:11:40 PM
I was just wondering how long Mab has been holding the grudge about being exiled due to the fluffiness of her tale. I would assume that it occurred after Rose was born but before Dan was about five years old (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_558.php). The main question is how much contact Rose and Mab had during this period.
Aha, but what if Mab can change her appearance! I have a kitsune character who got bored once, sort of a mid-life crisis after she hit 600ish and changed herback into a child form just to be young again! Of course.. she did get bored with that too but...
There's also Danae/Flute/Aphrael (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aphrael#Aphrael). many centuries old, but chooses the appearance of a little girl.
But the question here is that when did Mab's had Rose i'm guessing age here in terms of a being i see Mab's at a age of mid to late twenties but in Fae years i'm thinking that Mab is maybe in the thousands of years old in this department. Because the age of Rose is somewhat similar to Mab of much younger like maybe 18 or 19. I'm wondering what age she went with somebody and have that night of passion and who is the father. But all in all that shocked me that Rose revealed she is Mab's daughter will wonders never cease.
Quote from: DarkAudit on November 02, 2007, 11:34:53 PM
Quote from: Tikki on November 02, 2007, 11:12:10 PM
Quote from: Naldru on November 02, 2007, 07:11:40 PM
I was just wondering how long Mab has been holding the grudge about being exiled due to the fluffiness of her tale. I would assume that it occurred after Rose was born but before Dan was about five years old (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_558.php). The main question is how much contact Rose and Mab had during this period.
Aha, but what if Mab can change her appearance! I have a kitsune character who got bored once, sort of a mid-life crisis after she hit 600ish and changed herback into a child form just to be young again! Of course.. she did get bored with that too but...
There's also [urlhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aphrael#Aphrael]Danae/Flute/Aphrael[/url]. many centuries old, but chooses the appearance of a little girl.
It's easier to get cuddles that way - and that's where she's most dangerous.
Quote from: Janus Whitefurr on November 03, 2007, 01:21:54 AM
Quote from: DarkAudit on November 02, 2007, 11:34:53 PM
Quote from: Tikki on November 02, 2007, 11:12:10 PM
Quote from: Naldru on November 02, 2007, 07:11:40 PM
I was just wondering how long Mab has been holding the grudge about being exiled due to the fluffiness of her tale. I would assume that it occurred after Rose was born but before Dan was about five years old (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_558.php). The main question is how much contact Rose and Mab had during this period.
Aha, but what if Mab can change her appearance! I have a kitsune character who got bored once, sort of a mid-life crisis after she hit 600ish and changed herback into a child form just to be young again! Of course.. she did get bored with that too but...
There's also [urlhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aphrael#Aphrael]Danae/Flute/Aphrael[/url]. many centuries old, but chooses the appearance of a little girl.
It's easier to get cuddles that way - and that's where she's most dangerous.
Exactly! Also would help with filling the 'to hug' list.
Quote from: Amber Williams on October 24, 2007, 06:35:04 PM
Quote from: Sienna Maiu - M T on October 24, 2007, 03:58:10 PM
And then of course their is children of her own... but wouldn't she need the genetics of a spouse/life partner in any way? And on top of thought, I suppose it could be kind of weird to have your mother as your child...
What about gender though... where does that fit in? Is each soul a set specific?
Considering the means in which Fae have children, one doesn't necessarily need a partner or even a particular gender for that matter. There have been many times when there was only one parent. Or the one parent is considered male. The way it works tends to involve more *poof* "Theres a bebe" than any actual pregnancy. Most Fae do like to have children as a couple though, they find it delightful.
QuoteTime travel stories always affect me because of implications such as these.
Also, does this place Rose as just short of 100, or did she only recently get out to the mortal world?
Rose is just short of 600. And she's only recently started hanging around in mortal worlds. There is quite a bit to do in the Fae world after all.
I just looked through the old posts again and it seems I was mistaken in my memories. One possibility is that she have come to the mortal worlds soon after her mother's self-imposed exile. Which would put the length of her separation from the Fae world at about a century.
I need some ice...Head is still hurting from all the crazyness
Quote from: Zedd on November 03, 2007, 02:01:56 PM
I need some ice...Head is still hurting from all the crazyness
Here's the ice. I took the liberty of surrounding it with a glass of scotch for you.
Quote from: ShiningShadow on November 03, 2007, 01:18:19 AM
But the question here is that when did Mab's had Rose i'm guessing age here in terms of a being i see Mab's at a age of mid to late twenties but in Fae years i'm thinking that Mab is maybe in the thousands of years old in this department. Because the age of Rose is somewhat similar to Mab of much younger like maybe 18 or 19. I'm wondering what age she went with somebody and have that night of passion and who is the father. But all in all that shocked me that Rose revealed she is Mab's daughter will wonders never cease.
Had you been reading some of the other conversations in older topics you'd know that Rose is about 600 years old.
You'd also know that fae having babies does not require sexual interaction, or two parents even, nor does the parent in a case of there only being one have to be considered female (Therefore I believe it's safe to assume that in the case of two parents they don't have to be of the opposite sex. It's also possible that a fae could have more than two parents, but who knows with Amber). Instead it's just that once the soul is in the process of being recycled after it has decided to "die" it goes to whatever parent(s) is/are chosen, or to one at random if a parent is not selected after a certain amount of time of the soul being "dead". Then it's more of a "...*Poof* 'There's a baby'..." scenario, as Amber so elegantly put it.
Also, I don't think it's possible to label a fae as being at any certain stage in life, because they could live forever if they wanted to.
<.<
>.>
Why's everybody looking at me weird? I can pay attention sometimes too!
Quote from: dannysaysnoo on November 02, 2007, 03:53:36 PM
Quote from: Kenji on November 02, 2007, 03:52:11 PM
:batman :mowninja
No feeding the artists!
Excuse me! they prefer to be called art monkeys.
I thought I was the only one who used the term "art monkey." It's on my business cards.
I know that they say that artists are supposed to starve and suffer for their art.
However, if we let Amber starve, we'll suffer mightily by not being able to read more.
Is egoboo nourishing?
Quote from: Azraelle on November 03, 2007, 11:57:19 PM
I thought I was the only one who used the term "art monkey." It's on my business cards.
I will try to remember that!
Quote from: Naldru on November 04, 2007, 12:35:39 AM
I know that they say that artists are supposed to starve and suffer for their art.
However, if we let Amber starve, we'll suffer mightily by not being able to read more.
Is egoboo nourishing?
And that is my reasoning for feeding her!
Quote from: Naldru on November 04, 2007, 12:35:39 AM
I know that they say that artists are supposed to starve and suffer for their art.
However, if we let Amber starve, we'll suffer mightily by not being able to read more.
Agreed. Too much starving and suffering interferes with the creative process.
Quote from: LionHeart on November 04, 2007, 06:49:23 AM
Quote from: Naldru on November 04, 2007, 12:35:39 AM
I know that they say that artists are supposed to starve and suffer for their art.
However, if we let Amber starve, we'll suffer mightily by not being able to read more.
Agreed. Too much starving and suffering interferes with the creative process.
it also delays the updates. DARN YOUU!!!!!!!!!!!
Mab is a master of transformations. When Dan was younger she had the appearance of a child. Forgot what strip that was but Mab looked so child like and cute. Mab still acts like a child at times but her years and wisdom show through at random times.
Now that Dan is probably going to live a few thousand years I think Mab will keep the teen-ish look for a while.
Though one question comes to mind. Who IS Rose's dad (if she has one considering Fae are Big on recycling). Considering how Pyro made the joke about coming to Lost lake to protect Dan and Pyro was from the Future, which he denounced a second later.
For all we know Rose could be part cubi (Dan's daughtor considering how she acts at times) but I doubt that's the case.
Probably Mab got lucky and is an only parent to a bright (and troublesome) daughter.
Quote from: Madmann135 on November 04, 2007, 08:20:18 AM
Mab is a master of transformations. When Dan was younger she had the appearance of a child. Forgot what strip that was but Mab looked so child like and cute. Mab still acts like a child at times but her years and wisdom show through at random times.
Now that Dan is probably going to live a few thousand years I think Mab will keep the teen-ish look for a while.
Though one question comes to mind. Who IS Rose's dad (if she has one considering Fae are Big on recycling). Considering how Pyro made the joke about coming to Lost lake to protect Dan and Pyro was from the Future, which he denounced a second later.
For all we know Rose could be part cubi (Dan's daughtor considering how she acts at times) but I doubt that's the case.
Probably Mab got lucky and is an only parent to a bright (and troublesome) daughter.
I still say that Pyro is from the future somehow. how else would he know everything?
You know... it could be that she SEES Mab as a mother figure....i got a lot of friends that call me "mom" even thou I'm only like a year older than them :hug
Quote from: Rambon on November 04, 2007, 09:49:44 AM
You know... it could be that she SEES Mab as a mother figure....i got a lot of friends that call me "mom" even thou I'm only like a year older than them :hug
That's a bit creepy 0.o
thats not a bit creepy, it's OFF THE SCALE CREEPY!!!
you know this makes me wonder just how fae are born.
What are there early stages of development. Do they go threw an infancy as we would know it?
here is my speculative take on the matter.
A new Fae parent brings home the bouncing baby soul. They then care for and nurture it, or maybe just stick it up over there fireplace, for a gestation period. During that time the new fae's body slowly coalesces around the soul. starting out as a faint outline and slowly solidifying over a number of days, months, years, what ever. It's early appearance is influenced by the fae it's around during this gestation period, as are it's personality and speach patterns. Once the new fae is fully developed so it can interact with others, the parents then start to teach it things it needs to know. Most fae can speak at this point but they are now taught history, rules, how to use there powers and how o interact with other creatures and beings. How long this lasts is anybody's guess
Quote from: thegayhare on November 04, 2007, 11:20:27 AM
you know this makes me wonder just how fae are born.
What are there early stages of development. Do they go threw an infancy as we would know it?
here is my speculative take on the matter.
A new Fae parent brings home the bouncing baby soul. They then care for and nurture it, or maybe just stick it up over there fireplace, for a gestation period. During that time the new fae's body slowly coalesces around the soul. starting out as a faint outline and slowly solidifying over a number of days, months, years, what ever. It's early appearance is influenced by the fae it's around during this gestation period, as are it's personality and speach patterns. Once the new fae is fully developed so it can interact with others, the parents then start to teach it things it needs to know. Most fae can speak at this point but they are now taught history, rules, how to use there powers and how o interact with other creatures and beings. How long this lasts is anybody's guess
Stick it up on the fireplace!? what if it fell?
Quote from: dannysaysnoo on November 04, 2007, 11:27:58 AM
Stick it up on the fireplace!? what if it fell?
well fae are effectivly imortal so it wouldn't kill the baby plus how do you think some of there more bizzare personality quirks come about... child hood truama what else
Good point, but still, not great. Maybe framed or something, hung up in the roof.
Quote from: Madmann135 on November 04, 2007, 08:20:18 AM
For all we know Rose could be part cubi
Stop. Stop right now. Cubi is not everything and everything is not cubi. Fa'Lina is not the star of this comic, and Cubi is nowhere in the title.
For all we know, maybe the Fae *created* the cubi. How about that? :mwaha
Quote from: Drathorin on November 02, 2007, 12:07:34 PM
Or, Maybe she didn't have a husband.
As maybe she just adopted a fae soul that was being reborn?
Eh? Eh?!
Think outside the box here people.. . . as comfy as llearch is. . >:3
This seems most likely to me... I can't see Albanion, who we have already learned is Mabby's villain, being the father. And it would explain why Rose is comfortable enough to call Mab by her first name.
In the meantime, though... I'm liking the Fae world a lot. :3
Quote from: DarkAudit on November 04, 2007, 01:07:36 PM
Quote from: Madmann135 on November 04, 2007, 08:20:18 AM
For all we know Rose could be part cubi
Stop. Stop right now. Cubi is not everything and everything is not cubi. Fa'Lina is not the star of this comic, and Cubi is nowhere in the title.
For all we know, maybe the Fae *created* the cubi. How about that? :mwaha
I would support a ban on any fan fiction that features a half anything character, its an over used idea, I accept that trying to create an interesting character is hard without resorting to cliché's. Make them a pure race and give them a interesting back story and personality traits, if you do it right the result is far superior. I do like the idea of the cubi race though.
Quote from: dannysaysnoo on November 04, 2007, 11:13:49 AM
thats not a bit creepy, it's OFF THE SCALE CREEPY!!!
It's NOT! :sweatdrop :mob
Quote from: DarkAudit on November 04, 2007, 01:07:36 PM
Quote from: Madmann135 on November 04, 2007, 08:20:18 AM
For all we know Rose could be part cubi
Stop. Stop right now. Cubi is not everything and everything is not cubi. Fa'Lina is not the star of this comic, and Cubi is nowhere in the title.
For all we know, maybe the Fae *created* the cubi. How about that? :mwaha
But, but.................. what if an immensely powerful cubi had gone back in time to create the fae who later created the cubi?! PARADOXES FOR ALL! :boogie
Quote from: MT Hazard on November 04, 2007, 06:34:50 PM
I would support a ban on any fan fiction that features a half anything character
I'm not quite sure what you mean here. If you're talking about something that is actually half-'cubi half-Being like Amber says can't happen, then yes, your idea bears consideration, notwithstanding that you can have half-Demons (Lorenda) and possibly part-Angels as well. Thus unlike part-'Cubi they are a valid construct within the world of DMFA.
Half-Fae or Half-phoenix-oracle in this manner is probably
not a valid construct given that their 'afterlifecycle' is different to and incompatible with other races.
If you meant a ban on Creatures which were born to a Being parent (e.g. Dan, Abel and Lorenda) then I think that's a bit overkill, not least because it's something 'Cubi in particular seem to do quite a lot.
As for the Fae creating the 'Cubi race, I'm fairly sure they are a synthetic race, and the Fae almost certainly have the power to do such things if they see fit. Around the time Pyroduck's race was revealed, someone claimed the Dragons were the creators and have since been trying to 'undo the mistake' but there is no evidence to support it.
Well, tapewolf, I don't believe the demonology states that a phoenix can't breed, only that their specific race only has 42 members (All female). It's possible that no pure phoenix will ever be born outside of a rebirth and, should any member of the species decide to fool around, any resulting children will be normal beings. Or creatures, depending on the father.
Then again...
And while there are always rumours of half-breeds with a Phoenix or a temple of males...there has never been any evidence to this and most consider it the ramblings of wishful idiots.
Erm...heh. *Ninja-vanish*
Quote from: Goatmon on November 05, 2007, 10:12:59 AM
Then again...
And while there are always rumours of half-breeds with a Phoenix or a temple of males...there has never been any evidence to this and most consider it the ramblings of wishful idiots.
My guess is that if you get anything at all from a Being-Phoenix or Being-Fae union, it would be another Being.
If any sort of conception is indeed possible, that seems to be the most likely outcome.
Quote from: Tapewolf on November 04, 2007, 06:51:09 PM
Quote from: MT Hazard on November 04, 2007, 06:34:50 PM
I would support a ban on any fan fiction that features a half anything character
I'm not quite sure what you mean here.......
I mean any Half creatures/beings not already firmly established in the story, there is no cure for the Mary Sue pandemic, only prevention.
Quote from: MT Hazard on November 05, 2007, 12:21:48 PM
I mean any Half creatures/beings not already firmly established in the story, there is no cure for the Mary Sue pandemic, only prevention.
In short, hybrids?
Quote from: Tapewolf on November 05, 2007, 12:24:43 PM
Quote from: MT Hazard on November 05, 2007, 12:21:48 PM
I mean any Half creatures/beings not already firmly established in the story, there is no cure for the Mary Sue pandemic, only prevention.
In short, hybrids?
Well, sort of. If their 'unique' species is a central character detail alarm bells should start to ring.
Handy link to avoid writing Mary Sue characters
http://emona-dragondancer.deviantart.com/art/The-Mary-Sue-Manual-23804747 (http://emona-dragondancer.deviantart.com/art/The-Mary-Sue-Manual-23804747)
There was several reasons I stomped out the vampire race from Furrae. One of them being that I find vampires to be an overdone and easily Mary-Sue exploitable race.
Granted the hybrid genetics bonus arc will cover most of these bases, but I'll still ramble on them.
Now, there are a few races that can't hybridize. Either due to their structure being far too different from other species to work, or due to other reasons. Sure, that won't stop the ultimate Mary-Sue writers from just going "oh but my character is an amazingly rare and miraculous exception." but it can at least stop me from having to acknowledge their attempts.
Other species can hybridize very easily...but often the end result isn't all that "ooh aah" impressive. Usually the half breed is exactly the same as the pure breed or a lesser form. There isn't really an "all of their strengths/none of their weaknesses" gimmick because half the time there wasn't an insane amount of weaknesses to begin with. The closest to issues with that might be a couple purist groups who dislike the idea of inter-race hybrids.
Honestly, half the time I don't even think too much on it because more often than not I find that it isn't so much about lineage so much as what one does with what they got that makes for a better story. Not to mention that there are a lot of cases in Furrae's history where some creature who hailed from a powerful lineage got completely stomped because they relied too much on what they took for granted.
Really, just have your mary sue be a half mythos/half mythos, then you can give them whatever powers you want even if they don't make sense together, without any of the weaknesses you decided they would have had if they weren't a halfbreed.
Or they could just be a fae. An exiled fae, of course, so that they didn't have to obey any of the laws. Exiled because they didn't have anything resembling the typical fae mindset, so that you don't have to worry about writing any personality other than your own.
Quote from: terrycloth on November 05, 2007, 07:19:25 PM
Really, just have your mary sue be a half mythos/half mythos, then you can give them whatever powers you want even if they don't make sense together, without any of the weaknesses you decided they would have had if they weren't a halfbreed.
Or they could just be a fae. An exiled fae, of course, so that they didn't have to obey any of the laws. Exiled because they didn't have anything resembling the typical fae mindset, so that you don't have to worry about writing any personality other than your own.
But Amber's personality IS the typical fae mindset! :U
Quote from: AnizInDisguise on November 05, 2007, 08:33:04 PM
But Amber's personality IS the typical fae mindset! :U
And it hails from the mystical scary time of the 80's! >:3
Well time get to get to the wetworking and stealth around and find Metal Gear Amber...and disposize of it.. :bunn
Quote from: Zedd on November 06, 2007, 12:21:01 AM
Well time get to get to the wetworking and stealth around and find Metal Gear Amber...and disposize of it.. :bunn
I think that you will find that Amber's steamroller is a fearsome weapon.
Quote from: Naldru on November 06, 2007, 05:44:29 AM
Quote from: Zedd on November 06, 2007, 12:21:01 AM
Well time get to get to the wetworking and stealth around and find Metal Gear Amber...and disposize of it.. :bunn
I think that you will find that Amber's steamroller is a fearsome weapon.
Yes this is true...It will be more ferce than Metal Gear Rex and Ray combined...
Quote from: Drathorin on November 05, 2007, 11:01:36 PM
Quote from: AnizInDisguise on November 05, 2007, 08:33:04 PM
But Amber's personality IS the typical fae mindset! :U
And it hails from the mystical scary time of the 80's! >:3
Oh, but the '80s were a wonderful time of fun music and big hair! *starts fluffing up Drath's hair so he can feel all 80s*
Quote from: Darkmoon on November 06, 2007, 09:51:42 AM
Quote from: AndersW on November 02, 2007, 12:08:03 AM
I wonder who the father is.
Edward.
(http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b2/Kamunt/PLOT-TWIST.jpg)
Any questions? Didn't think so.
Also, "Mary Sue"? I sort of understand the implication, but I don't get the reference.
Quote from: Kamunt on November 07, 2007, 10:37:04 PM
Quote from: Darkmoon on November 06, 2007, 09:51:42 AM
Quote from: AndersW on November 02, 2007, 12:08:03 AM
I wonder who the father is.
Edward.
Any questions? Didn't think so.
Also, "Mary Sue"? I sort of understand the implication, but I don't get the reference.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary_sue