So Dee wants to kill her daughter's date.
Doesn't seem to out of the ordinary.
That will be a rather interesting meeting to be sure...
I'll bet Pyro can take care of himself.
Well that's just taking racism to the extreme, killing them all. I'm sure there has been a good number of people who wanted to wipe all the demons out, but they're still around...right?
..........*not much a comment*
Ooookaaayyy...
Well, it explains why they're together. Baybe it's for the best that Pyro is walking away from the TT. Or maybe nowhere is safe...
*Hide, Pyrodyck! Hide while you still can!* :B
On a completely unrelated note, regaurding panel #2...
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v33/Dragonne/726_clip1.jpg)
"and our family's best interests."
apostrophy 's', signifying singular posesive. (as opposed to familys', signifying possessive plural)
Unless the apostrophy is in the wrong place, biggs and Destania must be somehow related.
speculate away >:3
--edit--
pic added in case Amber changes/corrects the spelling >:3
Plus there is the fact that Amber has made it quite clear that the races have thoroughly interbred, including one pairing of a being and dragon we have seen in comic, wouldn't wiping them all out have to include the half-breeds for some, and then where will it end? It's unsound and ignorant thinking.
Quote from: Reese Tora on December 19, 2006, 10:43:19 PM
On a completely unrelated note, regaurding panel #2...
"and our family's best interests."
apostrophy 's', signifying singular posesive. (as opposed to familys', signifying possessive plural)
Unless the apostrophy is in the wrong place, biggs and Destania must be somehow related.
speculate away >:3
I think Biggs is just referring to his family.
Think conversational grammar. Alot of people say, "Our family is doing such and such" or "Our family is going to such and such", and they do not imply that the friend that they are talking to is related to them.
Quote from: [insert name] on December 19, 2006, 10:48:14 PM
Quote from: Reese Tora on December 19, 2006, 10:43:19 PM
On a completely unrelated note, regaurding panel #2...
"and our family's best interests."
apostrophy 's', signifying singular posesive. (as opposed to familys', signifying possessive plural)
Unless the apostrophy is in the wrong place, biggs and Destania must be somehow related.
speculate away >:3
I think Biggs is just referring to his family.
Think conversational grammar. Alot of people say, "Our family is doing such and such" or "Our family is going to such and such", and they do not imply that the friend that they are talking to is related to them.
Yes, but the comic is implying (to my mind) that they also ahve the interests of Destania's family in mind, since the focus of the conversation is the well being of her husband and son, not to mention the sweet irony thereby that the intrests of her family may at some point include Pyroduck, putting thier two goals at odds. :D
Damnit Reese. I don't know apostrophe grammer enough to know the difference. So either tell me which way it should be or let it go and stop trying to make people speculate over something obviously not meant to be speculated.
Quote from: Amber Panyko on December 19, 2006, 10:57:39 PM
Damnit Reese. I don't know apostrophe grammer enough to know the difference. So either tell me which way it should be or let it go and stop trying to make people speculate over something obviously not meant to be speculated.
awww...
It would be "Families'" if it's refering to two or more families, and "Family's" if refering to a single family.
*fails at causing speculation :crying *
Amber, whatever you do,
Don't kill Pyroduck!
If you do, I'll have to use this smiley: 'A'
Hee hee, Dan's been sent back to save the Dragons.
:mowhappy
Remember, odds are if something happens to Dan, Fa'lina knew it was going to. >:3
"Mom, meet my boyfriend.
"Boyfriend, meet my mom.
"Now I want a clean fight, no spell casting below the belt or breath weapons when the other person is down."
I'd pay to see that main event :mowhappy
Thanks Reese. Sorry if I sounded snippy. I always feel bad when I typo in a comic...and it gets 10x worse if it is something that might cause people to get the wrong idea. While speculation is anyones game, I try to avoid allowing speculation if its founded on me making a mistake.
Sigh.
I don't get it.
The end of the dragon race? Why?
What's more, Biggs (or at least his henchmen) *knows* about Pyro. This isn't a new thing they're trying out for fall. This has been planned for some time, so he surely would have told his underlings to be on the lookout for dragons.
Once again, there's another dragon that Dan knows who surely knows
- that Dan is from Destania's stock. Not only is he close to this dragon, but this dragon was hired to kill him, and he owed the dragon money. And yet the dragon didn't. Dan gets on with dragons pretty well, despite them supposedly having it in for him.
Abel and Aary both know about the feud between Cyra and Dragons, but Fa'Lina didn't do anything to stop Dan from leaving SAIA.
Another problem is that if they're looking for Destania, there would be no reason to kill Edward after they found her. But it seems that it's the other way around. They don't (necessarily) want to kill Destania, but they *do* want to kill Ed. Which presumably means that Ed wants to kill the dragons.
Something's fishy, here. I would suggest that Biggs really isn't a longtime friend of the family, and that Destania has implanted these thoughts into his mind.
Just please oh please don't have Dan turn out to be the one who will bring balance to The Force...
- He was hired by Dark Pegasus (who knows who Dan's mother is) to keep adventurers out, he's surely lived for thousands of years, and he's been acquaintances with Dan for some time.
Lexi: Mom, this is Pyroduck. My boyfriend....
*immediate sword throw out of nowhere that Pyro dodges*
Pyro: Well, this started out better then I thought it would....
oh dear this is going to be some thing to worry about. i wonder who bigg's informant is .
I noticed the apostrophe error, but I didn't think anything of it at all. Biggs said in the very same comic that Dee was a family friend, and that term wouldn't apply to someone who's... ya know.... family.
Well, now we know a good deal more than we did last comic.
One of these days I'm going to have to go through the archives again so I can remember just what problems dragons might cause, or how everyone else views them.
Oh wait--
But--
Yyyghh... what if Destina's manipulating Biggs; that, she has him convinced that they're going to destroy the Dragon race (a big enough goal to make him think a Cubi would enlist his help) but in fact is only USING him to-- to-- get her husband back from a pack of grouchy dragons while making it look like it was all an ill-timed Twink raid!?!?
Or-- or-- is she honestly trying to wipe out the Dragons, since they have some sort of feud with the Cubi, while Fa'lina has swapped her usual coffee with Cubi/Draconic co-ventures in a massive ploy to end the fued without bloodshed, thus tilting the balance of power in all Furrae in favor of the new Cubi/Draconic alliance?!?!
Or-- EXPLODING DRAGONS EVERYWHERE!!!
I'm almost expecting Destania and Biggs to break out into a musical number :3
Quote from: e_voyager on December 19, 2006, 11:22:04 PMoh dear this is going to be some thing to worry about. i wonder who bigg's informant is .
Actually, given the evidence, the answer should be obvious. Pyroduck comes from Twink Territories (or environs). Pyroduck has been seen by a few of Biggs' men and women. Pyroduck got right to the door of Biggs' place without even causing Destania to twig.
When you're a mind reader, it's probably pretty clear when people are approaching. Even if Pyro had a mind shield, it would be obvious from the non mind-shielded companions that there was another person travelling with them. And the Guild Navigator field effect would be even more of a giveaway. If Alexsi's mental signature suddenly disappears, that probably means that there's a dragon nearby.
So, you know, it's obviously Neni.
I could see wanting to wipe out a race that's very existance requires the consumption of brains and the taking the bodies of victims to propagate the species, but seriously, not all dragons are bad. Nothing is inherently evil, it all comes from the upbringing. Even those born of an evil race can be forgiven, as long as they taught the ways of morality, goodness, and altruism.
Quote from: Manawolf on December 19, 2006, 11:37:02 PMI could see wanting to wipe out a race that's very existance requires the consumption of brains and the taking the bodies of victims to propagate the species, but seriously, not all dragons are bad.
Well, that's not dragons. Dragons aren't bad. They're just very, very jealous. They watch over the graves of rich people to make sure that nobody robs the tombs.
Well, many can be greedy themselves, what with those hoards they love to keep, even if it wasn't originally there's. But a love of money is not always evil, sometimes it is merely an ambition (granted, one that can easily turn to obsession at any price). Of course, we haven't seen much in the way of a hoard from our man Pyro.
Quote from: Amber Panyko on December 19, 2006, 11:17:51 PM
Thanks Reese. Sorry if I sounded snippy. I always feel bad when I typo in a comic...and it gets 10x worse if it is something that might cause people to get the wrong idea. While speculation is anyones game, I try to avoid allowing speculation if its founded on me making a mistake.
no worries, I as much did it to bring it to your attention as I did to cause wild and unfounded speculation :mowgrin
I do hope that this deosn't mean we can't still speculate at some sort of familial relationship between the two families.
back on topic, I can't wait to see the fight that will almost certainly ahppen when Pyroduck and Destania meet for the first time (which, I am sure, will happen becasue of Alexsi bringing them together, but will actually occur while she is outside of the room)
:starwars
The nature of dragons has not been made fully clear from what I can tell. One would assume that they have the potential for all gamut of moral philosophies as the next race... just with size and might to back that up.
Nothing like a lovely serving of parental concern with a side entree' of implied genocide. :erk
Quote from: O.M. on December 19, 2006, 11:58:03 PM
Nothing like a lovely serving of parental concern with a side entree' of implied genocide. :erk
Hey genocide worked for the Nazis... oh wait, no... not really...
Well, perhaps there was something to that whole 'Cubi hate dragons thing' after all.
But on a related note... Does this mean that Destinia would approve of a relationship between Dan and Wildy? (or even, attempt to have an arranged marriage?)
NO! BAD cubi! NO GENOCIDE! D:<
you do know that if those two do fail in their attempt for any reason and the dragons are tipped off or they don't do a complete whipe and there are a few dragon and dragon kin remaining then there will be problems.
In a way their situation is a no win situation. Even if they do whipe out all the dragons, dragon friends, loves, etc will come out of the wood works and retaliate.
Not to mention if Alexsi and Pyro went home then Alexsi could have a dragon kin in the oven and their assault could harm Alexsi.
Dirty mind aside.
I really hope Dan or someone stops their plans.
*Charline erfs* Well... I must admit... as much as I enjoy denouncing all dragons as evil, ravenous, greedy, selfish, sadistic, virgin-devouring monsters, I can't really bring myself to see them all destroyed. I mean, they're so much like me in those respects. >:3 Not to mention dragons are great at other things too! This one Eastern dragon... my word was he flexible! I couldn't believe it when he looped right around me and... erm... :blush Uhm, dragons aren't all bad... *cough cough*
*Charles hmms* I wonder... is this conspiracy among all cubi, or does Destania have an exclusive plan with Biggs and the Twinks. It remains to be seen just how far this plot extends and who is truly part of it. I can think of another possible reason she might have an exceptional personal hatred of dragons; though it hasn't been explicitly stated, I also can't rule it out. Fa'lina sent Abel with Dan... she also paired him with Dan as a room-mate. Abel hates dragons... hmm... Fa'lina could certainly be part of the plot. She's sent someone to Lost Lake who certainly would seem happy if dragons were exterminated.
*Alondro notes* This will also get interesting if Mab gets wind of it and Pyro is attacked. Although if Pyro has hidden the fact that he's a dragon from her, she could also react negatively, seeing it as a sort of betrayal. It's unlikely it'd be a violent reactrion, but it'd at least hurt her deeply that he didn't trust her, and leave her non-responsive long enough for Pyro to be executed by the cubi death squads as they herd all the dragons into the ghettos... *growls* Wicked cubi... *glares at Charline*
*Charline gives a start* Hey! I like some dragons! And Pyro's dragon form is cute! *hmms* If I start an enamelware factory... I can trick the other cubi into letting me hire dragons! I can say they're essential workers because they fire the kilns!
*has just gotten the warped idea for "Charline's List"... yes, 2 am ideas are odd... :erk
"Charline's List" lol!
In other news, a speculation front has cropped up around the midwest, with a 100% chance of conjecture showers. Details at eleven.
Hmmm I used to date a dragon. He was realy sweet although he had this one thing he liked to do... Mmmm it was on the wing and ohh it was fun though I'll admit I got wind burns in some very tender places and you probably wouldn't want to be walking unders us at the time.
I wonder how he's doing...
If a major war breaks out, and the comic goes into some Romeo & Juliet type spinoff with Pyro and Alexi, can we pelt Amber with fruits and vegitables? >.> I can almost picture it happening
You know, dragons are good for more than just satisfying your sexual urges.
Quote from: Manawolf on December 20, 2006, 02:06:43 AM
You know, dragons are good for more than just satisfying your sexual urges.
Yeah, they are good at stomping out people that go out of thier way to annoy others and usually have an excellent taste.
Quote from: Manawolf on December 20, 2006, 02:06:43 AM
You know, dragons are good for more than just satisfying your sexual urges.
That's true, but for some reason sex sells, gets ratings and gets everyone's attention.
Well... not all dragons are evil... My avatar is half dragon and half tiger. In a way my avatar is me but later.
Dragons are an impressive species/race the one thing that makes us famous is our ability to fly even through 'extreme flight distraction.'
We dragons though a strong species have our faults, our hording traits can be a bit of a pain but everyone has their own faults. Though my favorite trait of dragons are their welth of knowledge, some useful, some useless and some just plain weird.
-For instance the largest earth worm species measures over 1 meter long and you can hear it burrowing through the earth.
-Not to mention The USA is home to a super volcano that by the numbers is long overdue for an eruption yet scientist doubt will erupt any time soon, and the super volcano is Yosemedi (SP) National Park. The last time this volcano erupted it caused a bottleneck effect on the human population whiping humans down to just a few thousand.
Dragons are not all evil, it's just th ebad element that brings dragons down like any species, creature, race, populas, city, etc.
Quote from: Manawolf on December 20, 2006, 02:06:43 AM
You know, dragons are good for more than just satisfying your sexual urges.
*Charline blinks* They're... not? Wow... it's like this whole new avenue of consciousness has, like, totally opened up for me! Duuuude.... :mowdizzy
Note: That one side of Yellowstone is swelling up, pushing a lake into a forest bit by bit. That thing blowing up would rather quickly quell any concerns about global warming... as the few survivors of the blast and resulting world-wide firestorm would face a frozen next few years as the high-flung stratospheric dust cloud envolopes and chills the planet. I fear lions and tigers would go extinct... *sigh* :|
EDIT: It's 3:18 am... what on earth am I doing still typing! :boggle
Quote from: Manawolf on December 20, 2006, 02:06:43 AM
You know, dragons are good for more than just satisfying your sexual urges.
Well of course I know that, though thats all he seemed interested, not my sexual urges I mean just his. Thats why I broke it off. He was fun but a bunny needs more then just good times. While with that horde I would have had the finacial security but ehh oh well.
Even though it didn't work out I wouldn't want to see him gone
*pouts*
... I think I am now officially more confused about whether or not Pyroduck is a good guy than I ever was about WHAT he was...
Oh my God, they are trying to start a world war. This is really heavy, man. Now I want to know how they're planning to take out all dragons without also killing all Beings, 'cubi and so on as well...
Twinks Vs Dragons?
I want to know what twinks are :)
Quote from: Tapewolf on December 20, 2006, 04:19:19 AMOh my God, they are trying to start a world war. This is really heavy, man. Now I want to know how they're planning to take out all dragons without also killing all Beings, 'cubi and so on as well...
I'm just wondering how they're planning on taking out all dragons.
Beowulf battled a dragon (for most of a day, I think) and died. Smaug was killed by a precision arrow after extensive observation. Smok Wawelski was killed only after he drank half the Vistula.
These are stories of *one dragon*.
All dragons, at once, would be out of reach of even the most grandiose pipe dreams of `cubi.
but those aren't even the same universe >_>
Yeesh people, stop grasping at other universes to argue a problem in an entirely different one.
Quote from: secondwolf on December 20, 2006, 04:21:18 AM
Twinks Vs Dragons?
I want to know what twinks are :)
Beings, mostly. They can't be planning a conventional attack though because dragons are nearly invulnerable. So it could be some terrible magical WMD that they have up their sleeve (Furrae appearing to be mercifully devoid of nuclear arms).
Jyrras: "What about Dan? Your Mom? Lorenda? Are they also full of evil and lies because they have 'potential'???"
No, Yes, Yes. I guess two out of three ain't bad...
QuoteAnd the Guild Navigator field effect would be even more of a giveaway.
More outside terms not used in the comic. o-o What does this mean?
Quote from: Psaakyrn on December 20, 2006, 01:00:17 AM
But on a related note... Does this mean that Destinia would approve of a relationship between Dan and Wildy? (or even, attempt to have an arranged marriage?)
WHOOOOOOOOOOOOO! ...*cough* I mean, uh... wha? (:P)
Quote from: Tapewolf on December 20, 2006, 04:19:19 AM
Oh my God, they are trying to start a world war. This is really heavy, man. Now I want to know how they're planning to take out all dragons without also killing all Beings, 'cubi and so on as well...
They may try something like in one of the X-Men movies... even though Destania would look somewhat silly with the Cerebro (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cerebro#Films) helmet... ;)
Since I didn't read the theories of the relevant thread, this might be redundant and/or highly obvious, but...
Something I have been pondering about tonight (and which got backed by today's comic): Am I the only one who thinks that something is... wrong here? No, I don't mean the whole "Final Solution of the Dragon Question" gig (which of course is wrong, too).
Let me see...
Abel is worried that a Dragon is living close to Dan. And Ink hinted at the importance that Dan is Edward's son. So I'd guess that Abel knows of the hostage thing.
On the other hand, neither Aary nor Fa'Lina seemed in a hurry to get Dan to SAIA. If it's so important that Dan is brought to safety, why did Fa'Lina (a) eat muffins, (b) only send Fi to get him and (c) let him go again?
I think that this isn't so much a "Cubi vs. Dragons" thing, but rather a "Destania/Biggs vs. Dragons" one. In fact, it may be that Fa'Lina knows of the plan and is working against it. That would make sense, considering that Dan wouldn't be interested or willing in sitting down idly while a war breaks out. Especially not now that he's learning that just being part of a specific race doesn't imply evilness. Kinda makes me think that he's more or less Fa'Lina's pawn while being protected by Abel to make sure he lasts until his time has come.
Something that struck me today: "You've been a friend of the family for generations!" sounds... odd. Assuming that she met the San family after marrying Edward (which would make sense if you assume that she met them through Dan's friend Wildy), she would have been a friend of the family for... a generation or two, depending on how you count.
If you see the "for generations" bit more loosely, I would ask myself if this is maybe what she had been doing before ending up in Lost Lake. Which in turn would question whether or not she had really been attacked and if so, by whom... Oh, and it would lead to the questions if Dan's meet-up with Wildy had been coincidence and how Biggs came into power. Not even to mention that Edward's hostage-situation might then be retaliation against something Destania had done, instead of a generic evil act.
Lots of questions and weird implications... too bad that we're possibly snapping the camera back to the Lost Lake parties...
Oh, and a little something that made me frown yesterday: What if Biggs is lying to Destania...?
Quote from: Aridas Soulfire on December 20, 2006, 04:52:38 AM
but those aren't even the same universe >_>
Yeesh people, stop grasping at other universes to argue a problem in an entirely different one.
Well, then YOU tell us why it should be easy in the DMFA universe to slay a couple of dragons. Abel couldn't even harm a Dragon even though his opponent didn't even use any sort of attack. So the "our universe" tales may be a good measure for the difficulty of the task at hand. Nobody is arguing that things should be EXACTLY like the tales, but so far, we've seen that it's not exactly trivial to kill a Creature. Merlitz had trouble with Aary, Merlitz lost against Abel, Abel lost against Pyro, Dan lost against Fa'Lina... the only reversed case is Daniel slaying Dark Pegasus, but that one came at a price.
Quote from: Aridas Soulfire on December 20, 2006, 04:52:38 AMbut those aren't even the same universe >_>
Yeesh people, stop grasping at other universes to argue a problem in an entirely different one.
My point is that in every universe (Smok Wawelski is actually a legendary creature from *ours*), dragons are not easy to kill, even in single combat with a man who has killed multiple legendary creatures or by entire armies.
It's unlikely that every other universe makes dragons nearly impossible to kill, while the DMFA universe makes dragon genocide easy.
Quote from: LigerJet on December 20, 2006, 05:18:28 AMQuoteAnd the Guild Navigator field effect would be even more of a giveaway.
More outside terms not used in the comic. o-o What does this mean?
Pretty much me beating a dead horse.
The deal is that if you can read minds, you can probably read vital signs and be able to do things like sense when other living things (especially powerful living things) are approaching. So Destania should have been able to sense Pyro.
The counter to this is that Pyro might be able to mask not only his thoughts but his presence. The only problem is that if you can read the minds of the other people travelling with him, you would be able to figure out that there's a mind-and-vitals-shielded companion by the way the conversation goes in the minds of the non-shielded companions.
The counter to that might be that Pyro is able to shield others' minds and presence just by being near them. This is similar to what happens to Guild Navigators in the Dune series, so that phrase was shorthand for what I just said in this paragraph.
The problem with this effect is that if it were true, Alexsi would disappear once she got near Pyro, which would be even more of a giveaway.
Quote from: Sid on December 20, 2006, 05:23:56 AMSomething that struck me today: "You've been a friend of the family for generations!" sounds... odd.
Well, I was thinking that if the family that wants dragons dead is the Ti'Fiona family, and they've been friends for generations...is Destania related to Edward?
Quote from: superluser on December 20, 2006, 05:36:06 AM
The deal is that if you can read minds, you can probably read vital signs and be able to do things like sense when other living things (especially powerful living things) are approaching. So Destania should have been able to sense Pyro.
...assuming that Destania's power has such a range. I think I remember to have read that most Cubi tune out the background noise of their mindreading except for when they actively probe somebody. So I more or less doubt that Destania is monitoring the area around the palace(?) with her mind - it would drive her nuts.
But the whole "Cubi mindreading habits and abilities" thing is a fairly complicated discussion itself, so I won't poke that one too hard :P
From the Demonology:
Strengths: Dragons have quite a few strengths. Powerful magic plus the ancient knowledge of how to wield it combined with their own bodies natural defense... a dragon could easily take on an army of beings and even a few creature forces if it so chose. Oddly enough, the most often they get into fights are due to the giant gryphons as the gryphon is too territorial and the dragon is too proud to back down.
Weaknesses: As far as physical weaknesses go, dragons have none. However due to their egos, most of them have a weakness against games and riddles. Also most dragons due to their age get eccentricities about collecting (or hoarding) certain items. If someone has an object a dragon desires, they almost always have a distinct advantage.
..and "impenetrable hide" on the 'general traits' panel.
From what Abel was doing to Pyro, it looks like they can be killed by 'normal means', but you have to have some kind of charmed weapon to penetrate the hide. It's also possible that they're only vulnerable in anthro form.
Quote from: Sid on December 20, 2006, 05:41:37 AM...assuming that Destania's power has such a range. I think I remember to have read that most Cubi tune out the background noise of their mindreading except for when they actively probe somebody.
Well, they're right outside the building.
Also, it may be background noise, but if you hear someone talking, you can definitely tell that s/he is there, even if you're tuning out what is being said.
By waiting for the pauses, you can tell how many people are talking.
Quote from: superluser on December 20, 2006, 05:49:15 AM
Quote from: Sid on December 20, 2006, 05:41:37 AM...assuming that Destania's power has such a range. I think I remember to have read that most Cubi tune out the background noise of their mindreading except for when they actively probe somebody.
Well, they're right outside the building.
Also, it may be background noise, but if you hear someone talking, you can definitely tell that s/he is there, even if you're tuning out what is being said.
By waiting for the pauses, you can tell how many people are talking.
Actually, they're right outside twink territories, not the building. If that WAS Bigg's building they're outside, why would Wildy set a completely seperate building on fire?
"Impenetrable" may be an exaggeration, meaning only "holy crap that's a tough hide", rather than literally impenetrable. About the only thing that is truly impenetrable is a black hole's event horizon (and that's only from the inside).
For example, if you used small arms fire against a dragon, odds are you may as well be shooting blanks. Bring rail-guns, heavy tank, bunker-busters, and nuclear weapons to bear, and even a dragon would likely have to get worried. Especially about the first and last options. Rail guns are somewhat-fictional (but entirely possible) weapons that accelerate a small amount of metal to extreme velocities, sometimes as high as 0.9 c. At such extreme speeds, even a speck of dust would have thousands if not millions of times the penetration power of a .50 caliber bullet. The biggest drawback to such a weapon is the kickback, but if that was somehow dealt with they would make awesome weapons and excellent sniper platforms. :mowninja And nuclear weapons are, well, nuclear weapons. Kaboom x1000000.
That being said, eliminating all dragons overnight would require many such weapons, the creation of which is hard to conceal. It would also require trained forces to do that worldwide, and knowledge of where all dragons are at all times. A practicality nightmare. More likely some kind of magical WMD is in the making, or none of the above. Or, you know, they're just going to somehow force all dragons to see nothing but imagines of Richard Simmons 24/7/365 and hope for mass suicide.
Hey, it could work.
Quote from: Cvstos on December 20, 2006, 06:11:50 AM
For example, if you used small arms fire against a dragon, odds are you may as well be shooting blanks. Bring rail-guns, heavy tank, bunker-busters, and nuclear weapons to bear, and even a dragon would likely have to get worried. Especially about the first and last options. Rail guns are somewhat-fictional (but entirely possible) weapons that accelerate a small amount of metal to extreme velocities, sometimes as high as 0.9 c. At such extreme speeds, even a speck of dust would have thousands if not millions of times the penetration power of a .50 caliber bullet. The biggest drawback to such a weapon is the kickback, but if that was somehow dealt with they would make awesome weapons and excellent sniper platforms. :mowninja And nuclear weapons are, well, nuclear weapons. Kaboom x1000000.
The problem with most weapons that are powerful enough to kill a dragon is that they're also powerful enough to kill pretty much everything else. A nuke would take out a whole piece of landscape, including everybody who happened to be nearby. And the more precise weapons like railguns would require the user to be relatively close to the target, and that's not a good method if you want to kill every X on the entire planet.
It may be something like that Cerebro thingy from the X-Men movies, but that would surprise me since SAIA doesn't even have a mechanism to detect/locate fellow Cubi.
Quote from: Cvstos on December 20, 2006, 06:11:50 AM
"Impenetrable" may be an exaggeration, meaning only "holy crap that's a tough hide", rather than literally impenetrable. About the only thing that is truly impenetrable is a black hole's event horizon (and that's only from the inside).
For example, if you used small arms fire against a dragon, odds are you may as well be shooting blanks. Bring rail-guns, heavy tank, bunker-busters, and nuclear weapons to bear, and even a dragon would likely have to get worried. Especially about the first and last options. Rail guns are somewhat-fictional (but entirely possible) weapons that accelerate a small amount of metal to extreme velocities, sometimes as high as 0.9 c. At such extreme speeds, even a speck of dust would have thousands if not millions of times the penetration power of a .50 caliber bullet. The biggest drawback to such a weapon is the kickback, but if that was somehow dealt with they would make awesome weapons and excellent sniper platforms. :mowninja And nuclear weapons are, well, nuclear weapons. Kaboom x1000000.
That being said, eliminating all dragons overnight would require many such weapons, the creation of which is hard to conceal. It would also require trained forces to do that worldwide, and knowledge of where all dragons are at all times. A practicality nightmare. More likely some kind of magical WMD is in the making, or none of the above. Or, you know, they're just going to somehow force all dragons to see nothing but imagines of Richard Simmons 24/7/365 and hope for mass suicide.
Hey, it could work.
I'd like to know where people get the idea that dragons are so godly invincible. A mossun rifle can put a bullet clean through a quarter inch steel plate with no problem whatsoever. I know this for a fact, I have witnessed it with my own eyes. Would you please tell me how a dragon's hide, made of flesh and bone and skin, is gonna stop a bullet designed to pierce armor from a 60 year old rifle? Where do you get the idea that small arms fire won't be effective against dragons? Is it the furry tendancy to make a dragon character becuase you want something HUGE and MAGICAL and VERY VIRILE with a gigantic penis that can be invincible to rayguns and lasers, shoot magical beams out of its eyes that can nuke civilizations, be covered in horns and scales and unnecessary appendages, and basically fulfill every wish to be "teh gr4t3st" that you've ever had?
Dragons aren't gods. A bullet through the skull will do to them what it does to just about anything else that breathes.
Jeesh.
Quote from: Slavkei on December 20, 2006, 07:01:27 AM
I'd like to know where people get the idea that dragons are so godly invincible.
Well, you'd have to ask Amber about her reasoning, but I'd say it's pretty safe bet that anything that can live for millions of years is going to be pretty tough to kill.
QuoteA mossun rifle can put a bullet clean through a quarter inch steel plate with no problem whatsoever. I know this for a fact, I have witnessed it with my own eyes. Would you please tell me how a dragon's hide, made of flesh and bone and skin, is gonna stop a bullet designed to pierce armor from a 60 year old rifle?
Much as I hate to use the 'magic' cop-out, this is DMFA we're talking about. There's no good reason why their bones or indeed their hide could not be magically protected, possibly even along the lines of the General Products hull (artificially-strengthened molecules).
QuoteDragons aren't gods. A bullet through the skull will do to them what it does to just about anything else that breathes.
It certainly looks like Pyro would be vulnerable to that in his anthro mode. But the demonlogy suggests otherwise regarding his full dragon form.
If it was easy to kill a dragon, then it would have been done already.
It clearly is not and such guns do not exist in DMFA anyway.
Quote from: Slavkei on December 20, 2006, 07:01:27 AM
Quote from: Cvstos on December 20, 2006, 06:11:50 AM
"Impenetrable" may be an exaggeration, meaning only "holy crap that's a tough hide", rather than literally impenetrable. About the only thing that is truly impenetrable is a black hole's event horizon (and that's only from the inside).
For example, if you used small arms fire against a dragon, odds are you may as well be shooting blanks. Bring rail-guns, heavy tank, bunker-busters, and nuclear weapons to bear, and even a dragon would likely have to get worried. Especially about the first and last options. Rail guns are somewhat-fictional (but entirely possible) weapons that accelerate a small amount of metal to extreme velocities, sometimes as high as 0.9 c. At such extreme speeds, even a speck of dust would have thousands if not millions of times the penetration power of a .50 caliber bullet. The biggest drawback to such a weapon is the kickback, but if that was somehow dealt with they would make awesome weapons and excellent sniper platforms. :mowninja And nuclear weapons are, well, nuclear weapons. Kaboom x1000000.
That being said, eliminating all dragons overnight would require many such weapons, the creation of which is hard to conceal. It would also require trained forces to do that worldwide, and knowledge of where all dragons are at all times. A practicality nightmare. More likely some kind of magical WMD is in the making, or none of the above. Or, you know, they're just going to somehow force all dragons to see nothing but imagines of Richard Simmons 24/7/365 and hope for mass suicide.
Hey, it could work.
I'd like to know where people get the idea that dragons are so godly invincible. A mossun rifle can put a bullet clean through a quarter inch steel plate with no problem whatsoever. I know this for a fact, I have witnessed it with my own eyes. Would you please tell me how a dragon's hide, made of flesh and bone and skin, is gonna stop a bullet designed to pierce armor from a 60 year old rifle? Where do you get the idea that small arms fire won't be effective against dragons? Is it the furry tendancy to make a dragon character becuase you want something HUGE and MAGICAL and VERY VIRILE with a gigantic penis that can be invincible to rayguns and lasers, shoot magical beams out of its eyes that can nuke civilizations, be covered in horns and scales and unnecessary appendages, and basically fulfill every wish to be "teh gr4t3st" that you've ever had?
Dragons aren't gods. A bullet through the skull will do to them what it does to just about anything else that breathes.
Jeesh.
Excuse me, but considering the generally good nature of my little bit of speculation, I take offense to what is obviously a rather hostile attack. I'm also offended that you would call me a homosexual as an insult,
especially when you know
nothing of my sexuality (I'm straight).
What did I do to warrant such hostility?
*Charles suspects what the secret weapon is* N2 mines... and then the Angels will attack.
*Alondro feh* That's just silly... oh wait, there ARE angels in DMFA!! Oh my.. Dan is somewhat like Shinji... the creature council is like SEELE... Jyrras is playing god and creating life... giant creatures roam around destroying things... and multiple secret plots are in the works, with layers of betrayal and half-truths!
It's... it's Gryphongelion... :3
Quote from: Cvstos on December 20, 2006, 08:01:44 AM
What did I do to warrant such hostility?
It's called trolling.
Feel free to peruse
hxxp://encyclopediadramatica.com/index.php/Furry
hxxp://encyclopediadramatica.com/index.php/Dragon
Needless to say that the links are NSFW and, if you don't know, replace the x's with t's
Try not to get too worked up over it.
Eeep, what did we dragons ever do to them! ='(
Quote from: Kasarn on December 20, 2006, 07:57:22 AM
If it was easy to kill a dragon, then it would have been done already.
It clearly is not and such guns do not exist in DMFA anyway.
Not precisely true.. I'm sure those mining equipment Jyrras has can be converted into something more violence-inclined. (and I won't be surprised if it uses rail-gun technology..)
Randon thought: what's if Jyrras's third employee (the bee) happened to have contacted Biggs?
Quote from: Psaakyrn on December 20, 2006, 08:39:00 AM
Quote from: Kasarn on December 20, 2006, 07:57:22 AM
If it was easy to kill a dragon, then it would have been done already.
It clearly is not and such guns do not exist in DMFA anyway.
Not precisely true.. I'm sure those mining equipment Jyrras has can be converted into something more violence-inclined. (and I won't be surprised if it uses rail-gun technology..)
Randon thought: what's if Jyrras's third employee (the bee) happened to have contacted Biggs?
I did think about the railgun thing; since it's basically just a fancy electromagnet it would be just as easily powered by magic as it would by electricity.
But I deferred to Amber's generic guns do not exist in Furrae... but, like how she not an expert in a lot of things, she is not an expert on ballistic weapons or electromagnetics :3
I really hope Jyrass destroys his weapons, i just feel guns really ruin magical settings.
Quote from: Kaerou on December 20, 2006, 09:08:41 AM
I really hope Jyrass destroys his weapons, i just feel guns really ruin magical settings.
pfft, Dwarves and Gnomes are standard fantasy races and often have guns.
It's not something I even thought of until recently and I was all like, "I'm such a dumbass"
Demo 101 implies that dragons have their own plane, the same as the fae. If they have figured out how to implode that they'd have a real good start on genocide.
However, I do think that the death warrants they're signing are their own. The other creatures on the council couldn't allow the power balance to get that far out of whack. I think we'd see the best unity on the creature council ever for the purpose of cubi/twink genocide.
And if it does have something to do with planar destruction the fae would need to move quick to make sure that information didn't get passed along. And I wouldn't want one fae mad at me, having all of them mad at once... 'A'
Huh. If they have their own plane the plan might actually just be to stuff 'em back in there and lock the lid down. I mean, as far as Furrae is concerned there'd be No More Dragons...
Quote from: Mel Dragonkitty on December 20, 2006, 09:18:09 AM
Demo 101 implies that dragons have their own plane, the same as the fae. If they have figured out how to implode that they'd have a real good start on genocide.
Destania may be 31/2 times older than Jesus but I suspect she'd have to have been a professor in some extremely esoteric branches of physics to be able to do such stuff.
What has occurred to me just now is that she says 'the end of the dragon race' not 'the destruction of the dragon race'. There is a subtle difference, which leads me to wonder if their aim is to seal the link to the other plane rather than actually destroy it. This is more in tune with DMFA's rating than a massacre, I might add.
If they
are actually planning genocide, I suspect Abel's number one priority is going to become "preventing Dan from committing suicide" when he finds out what his mother is up to.
(Damn, MaskedRetriever beat me to it)
I've heard of hostile in-laws, but this is ridiculous. And I'm a bit disappointed with Dee. I never saw her as the bigoted type.
...or maybe Destania is just a puppet and it is Cyra herself enacting a powerplay :eager
DUN DUN DUUUUNNNNN :P
Quote from: Mel Dragonkitty on December 20, 2006, 09:18:09 AM
Demo 101 implies that dragons have their own plane, the same as the fae. If they have figured out how to implode that they'd have a real good start on genocide.
However, I do think that the death warrants they're signing are their own. The other creatures on the council couldn't allow the power balance to get that far out of whack. I think we'd see the best unity on the creature council ever for the purpose of cubi/twink genocide.
And if it does have something to do with planar destruction the fae would need to move quick to make sure that information didn't get passed along. And I wouldn't want one fae mad at me, having all of them mad at once... 'A'
Unless of course they have the council backing, and that the Fae be directly involved with the actual planar inplosion.
*Edward has been banned from the server*
*account suspended*
Run Pyroduck RUN!!!!!
Quote from: Psaakyrn on December 20, 2006, 09:55:22 AM
Unless of course they have the council backing, and that the Fae be directly involved with the actual planar implosion.
I think the council is both smarter and more paranoid than that. Which race is next on the genocide list? Very slippery slope.
As for the fae actually doing the destruction, if I had a home that could be destroyed that same way I wouldn't even imply that it was possible. I'd be, "Oh, your plan won't work because <trip> oops, sorry, I didn't mean to accidentally stab you seven times with my letter opener, and set your plans on fire, blow up your house and poison the consolation cards I sent to all your relatives. My bad."
All you have to do to remove dragons is hack the furcadian database and delete everyones dragon avatars. WHOOO NO MORE DRAGONS!
The thing about dragons is that given a few millenia, they can become godly (or at least demigodly). Their hides become like diamonds, except for those areas normal weak spots such as the eyes, joints and underbelly, though some try to eliminate the underbelly weakness by embedding gems and other pieces from their hoard into their less fortified scales. Dragons could always be taken down with a good sniper shot, but you do also have the problem of if the dragon has alrady entered combat and is now bounding around like crazy (those moving targets can be quite a ***** when you're trying for a headshot). But then again there is also that level of magical protection dragons gain due to their highly magical nature. Their is also that level of immunity to one form of energy that a lot of dragons have.
If you want to get into the kind of damage they could dish out, then you always look back to that breath weapon they love to use. For most, it's simply a fire, but others may spit anything from acid to lightning. Then you have the powerful jaws, claws, tail and even wings that could tear you apart or slap you around. Then their is their magical prowess they often possess. While this can mean a multitude of spells at their disposal, it can be hard to tell like with many spellcasters. To take an example of this prowess from the comic, Pyro had to have traveled back in time through some way, though that may have just been technology, but then that technology most likely came from Jyrras and thus would mean that at least some dragons were not getting hassled by beings.
That actually brings up a good question, as to when did Pyro travel back in time, and whether a war broke out somewhere within that timeframe.
Quote from: Cvstos on December 20, 2006, 08:01:44 AM
Quote from: Slavkei on December 20, 2006, 07:01:27 AM
Quote from: Cvstos on December 20, 2006, 06:11:50 AM
"Impenetrable" may be an exaggeration, meaning only "holy crap that's a tough hide", rather than literally impenetrable. About the only thing that is truly impenetrable is a black hole's event horizon (and that's only from the inside).
For example, if you used small arms fire against a dragon, odds are you may as well be shooting blanks. Bring rail-guns, heavy tank, bunker-busters, and nuclear weapons to bear, and even a dragon would likely have to get worried. Especially about the first and last options. Rail guns are somewhat-fictional (but entirely possible) weapons that accelerate a small amount of metal to extreme velocities, sometimes as high as 0.9 c. At such extreme speeds, even a speck of dust would have thousands if not millions of times the penetration power of a .50 caliber bullet. The biggest drawback to such a weapon is the kickback, but if that was somehow dealt with they would make awesome weapons and excellent sniper platforms. :mowninja And nuclear weapons are, well, nuclear weapons. Kaboom x1000000.
That being said, eliminating all dragons overnight would require many such weapons, the creation of which is hard to conceal. It would also require trained forces to do that worldwide, and knowledge of where all dragons are at all times. A practicality nightmare. More likely some kind of magical WMD is in the making, or none of the above. Or, you know, they're just going to somehow force all dragons to see nothing but imagines of Richard Simmons 24/7/365 and hope for mass suicide.
Hey, it could work.
I'd like to know where people get the idea that dragons are so godly invincible. A mossun rifle can put a bullet clean through a quarter inch steel plate with no problem whatsoever. I know this for a fact, I have witnessed it with my own eyes. Would you please tell me how a dragon's hide, made of flesh and bone and skin, is gonna stop a bullet designed to pierce armor from a 60 year old rifle? Where do you get the idea that small arms fire won't be effective against dragons? Is it the furry tendancy to make a dragon character becuase you want something HUGE and MAGICAL and VERY VIRILE with a gigantic penis that can be invincible to rayguns and lasers, shoot magical beams out of its eyes that can nuke civilizations, be covered in horns and scales and unnecessary appendages, and basically fulfill every wish to be "teh gr4t3st" that you've ever had?
Dragons aren't gods. A bullet through the skull will do to them what it does to just about anything else that breathes.
Jeesh.
Excuse me, but considering the generally good nature of my little bit of speculation, I take offense to what is obviously a rather hostile attack. I'm also offended that you would call me a homosexual as an insult, especially when you know nothing of my sexuality (I'm straight).
What did I do to warrant such hostility?
Funny, I don't recall ever saying homosexual. I mentioned virility, which is manliness, and a large penis, which of all the dragons I've ever met 80-90% pride themselves on. I would NEVER use homosexual as an insult, same as I would never use white, black, asian, or hispanic as an insult. I might use dodo as an insult, but they're extinct, and don't complain.
No, I'm just rather sick of always seeing dragons who are obsessed over their own (imagined) superiority.
It's a wonder you haven't taken a fit at amber for talking about impenetrable hides.
Indeeed they may be perks being a twink....Yet some those little people are cleaver little bastards
man...and I thought some people had it in for others...
Quote from: Azlan on December 19, 2006, 11:59:43 PM
Quote from: O.M. on December 19, 2006, 11:58:03 PM
Nothing like a lovely serving of parental concern with a side entree' of implied genocide. :erk
Hey genocide worked for the Nazis... oh wait, no... not really...
oh...and Azzie...don't ever make a joke about the holocaust...it's not funny...
That wasn't a joke.
Quote from: Psaakyrn on December 20, 2006, 08:39:00 AM
Quote from: Kasarn on December 20, 2006, 07:57:22 AM
...such guns do not exist in DMFA anyway.
Not precisely true.. I'm sure those mining equipment Jyrras has can be converted into something more violence-inclined. (and I won't be surprised if it uses rail-gun technology..)
Sounds like someone was more believing than Lorenda was about Jyrras' "farm equipment" and "mining equipment" during the lab tour. :mowwink
BTW, in the last panel, where did Mab go? Is she off practicing with her new voulge? :mowhappy :mowninja
Quote from: Aridas Soulfire on December 20, 2006, 02:25:33 PM
That wasn't a joke.
That's not how I read it...It sounded to me he was trying to make and joke and failed miserably...
Quote from: AmigaDragon on December 20, 2006, 02:34:33 PM
Quote from: Psaakyrn on December 20, 2006, 08:39:00 AM
Quote from: Kasarn on December 20, 2006, 07:57:22 AM
...such guns do not exist in DMFA anyway.
Not precisely true.. I'm sure those mining equipment Jyrras has can be converted into something more violence-inclined. (and I won't be surprised if it uses rail-gun technology..)
Sounds like someone was more believing than Lorenda was about Jyrras' "farm equipment" and "mining equipment" during the lab tour. :mowwink
BTW, in the last panel, where did Mab go? Is she off practicing with her new voulge? :mowhappy :mowninja
Im sure Mab is around somewhere....Milking enemys of their blood fluids...when shes cutting them open with her new toy >:3
Quote from: Cvstos on December 20, 2006, 06:11:50 AM"Impenetrable" may be an exaggeration, meaning only "holy crap that's a tough hide", rather than literally impenetrable.
Well, impenetrability is overrated. Let's say I'm wearing chain mail armor on my chest, and you start beating me in the chest with a club. You can beat me to death, and take the armor. It will not be damaged. Just because something's impenetrable doesn't mean what's underneath can't be injured.
Quote from: Tapewolf on December 20, 2006, 09:33:47 AMWhat has occurred to me just now is that she says 'the end of the dragon race' not 'the destruction of the dragon race'.
Yeah, yeah, and Himmler only wanted to escort the Jews out of Europe when he talked about wanting to ausrotten (http://www.holocaust-history.org/himmler-poznan/) them.
I'm having flashbacks to the film "Guess Who's Coming to Dinner." Anyone else?
Nicely foreshadowed, Amber. I'm having visions to the lurking comic, and they go a little somethin' like this.
"Mom, this is my boyfr-"
"GET AWAY FROM MY DAUGHTER SCUMBAG!"
"Meep!"
"GYAH! MOM! PUT THE KNIFE DOWN!"
The scary thing is, it probably won' be the first time that conversation has occurred. >:3
OK... here is my limited expertiese on balistics.
High velocity projectiles are a tricky thing and an intresting science. For instance a very light projectile traveling at 4000 FPS can easily penetrate a 1/2 inch armor plate due to the fact that projectiles at that velocity and their target tend to act at a fluedic state at such high speeds.
Now a railgun, there are a few working models in existance but there are inate delima's with them. One the projectile has the capability to reach speeds so fast that the projectile vaporises in the accelorator and the following damage to the accelorator itself is difficult to fix but there are working models. The round vaporises because it's traveling so fast that air friction in essence tears the round apart. Quite similar to foreign objects or any object in general entering earth's atmosphere.
Also the .50 BMG is NOT a uber powerful gun. It's a high velocity round reaching speeds of around 2800 FPS but due to it's high weight (in the area of 500 Grain bullets which is heavy considering the M16 and it's variants use 62 grain bullets) and the fact that the military uses Armor Pearcing Incendeary (AP-I) rounds which increases the projectile's lethalness enabling the AP-I rounds to penetrate a 1/2 inch steel plate where the standard ball (metal jacket lead core) round could only dent.
With that being said I bet Jyrras could easily build a rail gun capable of launching a steel round with a tungskin core 4000+ FPS and that (in my mind) could pearce a dragon's hide and cause horrendous if not fatal internal damage. Lets not forget due to the internal density being greater than the density of air the round has a strong possiablity of breaking apart and causing a larger wound cannal. Just so you know to my knowledge elephant hunters use a 30-40 cal, heavy round at speeds of 2800 FPS, the reason why the round is effective is because it is shot in the head of the elephant and therefore destroys the control center of the body.
That being said.
If Alexsi finds out that Destania killed or harmed her boyfriend who knows what could happen. Not to mention the ensuing results from Dan .
There's an immensely easy way to kill a dragon without all this mess with guns and radioactive fallout.
It's a nifty little spell called Dragon Slave (http://kanzaka.wikia.com/wiki/Dragon_Slave) (name corrupted from Dragon Slayer.) Guaranteed to kill the dragon, or anything else you need dead, but leaves a big crater.
Quote from: KarlOmega1 on December 20, 2006, 02:35:24 PM
Quote from: Aridas Soulfire on December 20, 2006, 02:25:33 PM
That wasn't a joke.
That's not how I read it...It sounded to me he was trying to make and joke and failed miserably...
Egh. The Nazi comparison NEEDED to be done, since Destania is hinting pretty bluntly at a sort of Final Solution there. In my eyes, the comparison had been done in the most diplomatic way possible, so let's just leave it at that. I think we're all very well aware that Nazi stuff is no joke, but that's no reason to go all >:O at remarks like that. *shrugs*
You do realize that one of those super powered spells that are usually beyond the power of any mortal to be able to cast, right? I wouldn't call it easy when it'll drain you like an RV sucks gas.
Two things:
1: I talk to Slavkei on a IM basis, so I'm already aware of his opinions. And yes, we do both joke about how a lot of RPers like to coo and awe over their SUPERMEGAAWSOME dragon character. I doubt Slavkei was targeting any one individual with his statement (Unless he is making a jab at Aridas which he's been told not to), but his commentary is to be expected to be a lot more caustic than the average forum-goer. Kind of like a Dmoon without power.
2: Take heed that the Demonology 101 is in many ways like a normal encyclopedia in that it is based off how things are currently and general knowledge. As such, it can be outdated or not taking into consideration things on the horizon. If your average weaponry is swords/arrows and magic...saying something has an impenetrable hide might just mean to those.
Caustic? Can it eat through metal?
Quote from: Manawolf on December 20, 2006, 05:18:44 PM
You do realize that one of those super powered spells that are usually beyond the power of any mortal to be able to cast, right? I wouldn't call it easy when it'll drain you like an RV sucks gas.
Giga Slave. Kills any target capable of surviving a Dragon Slave. Or you. Or the planet. Drains you faster than a PVC pipe in your heart.
But then, everything from that story is overpowered anywhere else except possibly DBZ, so...
Quote from: Aridas Soulfire on December 20, 2006, 05:26:24 PM
Caustic? Can it eat through metal?
Having seen what Slavkei can eat...its quite possible.
Slav has admitted to being an asshole (and unfortunately proud of it). But yeah, dragons are getting overhyped. The fandom is turning them into the next vampire they're such dorks. Dragons are powerful creatures but it takes several centuries if not millenia to gain that power (they don't suddenly grow like a weed overnight like Eragon would have you believe). You're a wyrmling for at least 10 years, and for most dragons you're the size can be anywhere from human baby to full grown adult human, before you start to grow larger and then it'll take about 2 thousand years to reach your full size and power.
And please, of all the places to find references to things to kill dragons, do not turn to anime. They got mecha that can perform kung fu, it's all overpowered.
Quote from: Artanis on December 20, 2006, 05:41:50 PM
Quote from: Manawolf on December 20, 2006, 05:18:44 PM
You do realize that one of those super powered spells that are usually beyond the power of any mortal to be able to cast, right? I wouldn't call it easy when it'll drain you like an RV sucks gas.
Giga Slave. Kills any target capable of surviving a Dragon Slave. Or you. Or the planet. Drains you faster than a PVC pipe in your heart.
But then, everything from that story is overpowered anywhere else except possibly DBZ, so...
Well technically the Giga Slave isn't a spell per se. Only surprising part about that though, is how the caster's body didn't disintigrate from having all that power trapped inside.
Edit: Funny, I've seen plenty of anime where a simple spear shreds a dragon right up. :p
...just got an access point to get in here, and we're talking railguns now? Ah, but i shouldn't mention that first...
Err-hrrm... On the topic of the latest comic... and on the respective agendas of Destania, Biggs and Pyroduck, I believe that my opinion can be summarized as such...
MUHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAA!
...also, no true rail drivers have seen the light of day yet, only very high-powered coilguns. Look up the definition. And I am fairly interested in what accelerating gravity phenomena and energy distortion tendencies we would see if ever we invented a genuine railgun.
That's actually kind of like from European artwork depicting knights slaying dragons with just a lance (though those dragons were sometimes so dispraportional it's suprsing that their head didn't snap off already).
Quote from: Stygian on December 20, 2006, 05:55:30 PM
...just got an access point to get in here, and we're talking railguns now?
We're on page 4 of the thread. I'm actually surprised we're still talking about something that's REMOTELY on-topic. ;)
This thread turned retarded about two pages ago. Children and their overhyped toys.
Saw it coming.
Quote from: Manawolf on December 20, 2006, 05:49:16 PMThe fandom is turning them into the next vampire they're such dorks.
I don't think it's necessarily quite as bad, if only because dragons don't have weaknesses for them to brush off on the grounds that "It's a half-breed/mutated/special dragon".
Bloody hell, what has happened in here? D:
Quote from: BillBuckner on December 20, 2006, 07:22:22 PM
Bloody hell, what has happened in here? D:
Oompa loom-pa..doompy doo...I got another riddle for you..If your not greedy you will go far...
Quote from: Caswin on December 20, 2006, 06:57:05 PM
Quote from: Manawolf on December 20, 2006, 05:49:16 PMThe fandom is turning them into the next vampire they're such dorks.
I don't think it's necessarily quite as bad, if only because dragons don't have weaknesses for them to brush off on the grounds that "It's a half-breed/mutated/special dragon".
No, they just use that to say how much more awesome their dragon character is compared to others.
Dragons are an over used stereotype of fantasy, it would be nice to see them retired. It would never happen though.
I feel the same way. Fantasy does not have to revolve around them, but they can be one of many aspects to it. It may be called Dungeons and Dragons, but you don't always need dragons (or dungeons for that matter).
Quote from: superluser on December 20, 2006, 02:44:04 PM
Quote from: Tapewolf on December 20, 2006, 09:33:47 AMWhat has occurred to me just now is that she says 'the end of the dragon race' not 'the destruction of the dragon race'.
Yeah, yeah, and Himmler only wanted to escort the Jews out of Europe when he talked about wanting to ausrotten (http://www.holocaust-history.org/himmler-poznan/) them.
It occurs to me that a certain prophet, a while back, said that "the life of destania has ended (http://missmab.com/Comics/Vol_295.php) at the hands of Daniel Ti'Fiona. (http://missmab.com/Comics/Vol_299.php)"
:3
Quote from: Reese Tora on December 20, 2006, 09:53:13 PM
It occurs to me that a certain prophet, a while back, said that "the life of destania has ended (http://missmab.com/Comics/Vol_295.php) at the hands of Daniel Ti'Fiona. (http://missmab.com/Comics/Vol_299.php)"
:3
Are you implying what I think your implying D:
DON'T KILL YOUR MOM, DAN! IT'S CALLED MATRICIDE!
Quote from: Black_angel on December 20, 2006, 03:09:54 PM
I'm having flashbacks to the film "Guess Who's Coming to Dinner." Anyone else?
Nicely foreshadowed, Amber. I'm having visions to the lurking comic, and they go a little somethin' like this.
"Mom, this is my boyfr-"
"GET AWAY FROM MY DAUGHTER SCUMBAG!"
"Meep!"
"GYAH! MOM! PUT THE KNIFE DOWN!"
The scary thing is, it probably won' be the first time that conversation has occurred. >:3
And it probably won't be the last. :giggle
Quote from: Manawolf on December 20, 2006, 09:16:10 PM
I feel the same way. Fantasy does not have to revolve around them, but they can be one of many aspects to it. It may be called Dungeons and Dragons, but you don't always need dragons (or dungeons for that matter).
In this case, Dragons are how I fund my empires... it is amazing what a Daern's Instant Fortress does when used as a dragon suppository.
Quote from: Fresnor on December 20, 2006, 05:51:03 PM
Quote from: Artanis on December 20, 2006, 05:41:50 PM
Quote from: Manawolf on December 20, 2006, 05:18:44 PM
You do realize that one of those super powered spells that are usually beyond the power of any mortal to be able to cast, right? I wouldn't call it easy when it'll drain you like an RV sucks gas.
Giga Slave. Kills any target capable of surviving a Dragon Slave. Or you. Or the planet. Drains you faster than a PVC pipe in your heart.
But then, everything from that story is overpowered anywhere else except possibly DBZ, so...
Well technically the Giga Slave isn't a spell per se. Only surprising part about that though, is how the caster's body didn't disintigrate from having all that power trapped inside.
Edit: Funny, I've seen plenty of anime where a simple spear shreds a dragon right up. :p
And the Dragon Slave was sealed when they killed Shabranigdo in the first season finale.
If you want a weapon, how about the Ragna Blade?
(On a side note, I just restarted my Slayers torrent a day ago - Yay!)
Quote from: Azlan on December 20, 2006, 11:00:20 PM
Quote from: Manawolf on December 20, 2006, 09:16:10 PM
I feel the same way. Fantasy does not have to revolve around them, but they can be one of many aspects to it. It may be called Dungeons and Dragons, but you don't always need dragons (or dungeons for that matter).
In this case, Dragons are how I fund my empires... it is amazing what a Daern's Instant Fortress does when used as a dragon suppository.
Personally, I like games and such where they use the classic definition of "dragon", just being a powerful beast. To the sense where Tigers are considered "dragons" because they're powerful.
No, dragons are still a race of their own. Using them as a measurement of power is giving them too much credit.
Quote from: FireKatKid on December 20, 2006, 11:37:46 PMPersonally, I like games and such where they use the classic definition of "dragon", just being a powerful beast. To the sense where Tigers are considered "dragons" because they're powerful.
Well, the term δράκων was used for any large serpent, but it seems not for other animals. This is echoed in Beowulf's wyrm, the Greek Ladon (a dragon cited by the 1911 Encyclopedia Britannica) and Siegmund's Fafnir.
So from that, it would seem that the best definition of dragon is the serpentine one (with small or no wings) who guards a hoard.
(Funny. Spell check recognizes Beowulf and Fafnir but not wyrm)
Quote from: Reese Tora on December 20, 2006, 09:53:13 PM
Quote from: superluser on December 20, 2006, 02:44:04 PM
Quote from: Tapewolf on December 20, 2006, 09:33:47 AMWhat has occurred to me just now is that she says 'the end of the dragon race' not 'the destruction of the dragon race'.
Yeah, yeah, and Himmler only wanted to escort the Jews out of Europe when he talked about wanting to ausrotten (http://www.holocaust-history.org/himmler-poznan/) them.
It occurs to me that a certain prophet, a while back, said that "the life of destania has ended (http://missmab.com/Comics/Vol_295.php) at the hands of Daniel Ti'Fiona. (http://missmab.com/Comics/Vol_299.php)"
:3
And we were already told why loooong ago, near that same time. That was present tense, not future tense.
On the subject of dragons and dragon slayers:
http://www.deviantart.com/deviation/14743141/
and
http://www.deviantart.com/deviation/16624071/
Both of these are quite funny, and are written from the dragon's viewpoint.
The apostrophe was merely misplaced? Pfoo, there go my visions of Biggs being a mob boss.
Biggs: You have to understand this what I am telling you now, I'm just looking out for my family, our family.
Dee: . . .
Biggs: So if I do you this favour, one day ... I will ask you for a favour and you will do what I ask.
Dee: That just doesn't work for you, "Don".
Biggs: No?
Dee: No.
Biggs: Hoo, I can't do an Italian accent anyway.
Dee: Now then, back to plotting the wholesale annihilation of a species.
*Ahem.* Anyway, back into longtime lurking for me.
Quote from: Manawolf on December 20, 2006, 12:22:13 PM
The thing about dragons is that given a few Milena, they can become godly (or at least demigodly). Their hides become like diamonds, except for those areas normal weak spots such as the eyes, joints and underbelly, though some try to eliminate the underbelly weakness by embedding gems and other pieces from their hoard into their less fortified scales. Dragons could always be taken down with a good sniper shot, but you do also have the problem of if the dragon has already entered combat and is now bounding around like crazy (those moving targets can be quite a ***** when you're trying for a headshot). But then again there is also that level of magical protection dragons gain due to their highly magical nature. Their is also that level of immunity to one form of energy that a lot of dragons have.
If you want to get into the kind of damage they could dish out, then you always look back to that breath weapon they love to use. For most, it's simply a fire, but others may spit anything from acid to lightning. Then you have the powerful jaws, claws, tail and even wings that could tear you apart or slap you around. Then their is their magical prowess they often possess. While this can mean a multitude of spells at their disposal, it can be hard to tell like with many spellcasters. To take an example of this prowess from the comic, Pyro had to have traveled back in time through some way, though that may have just been technology, but then that technology most likely came from Jyrras and thus would mean that at least some dragons were not getting hassled by beings.
That actually brings up a good question, as to when did Pyro travel back in time, and whether a war broke out somewhere within that timeframe.
You're right on the mark on the Dragons. I know very good swords and hammers if imbued with magic against Dragons will take them down in those areas that you have specified what about the neck area I think that is a weak area also. But those weapons you have to be close to make the death strike towards the Dragon. I don't know what other weapons will kill Dragons I have a feeling this will be spell based on those Dragons to weakened them and ultimately kill them.
It does help to spot the points were the scales are thin, and they have to thin out around the joints, includin the neck, or they wouldn't be able to move properly. A number of people like creating weapons designed specifically to slay dragons. There are also those who like to specialize in taking down large monsters, which almost always includes dragons, since they can grow to such a large size. I suppose it goes with the idea of the bigger they are, the larger a target their vital organs become.
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Quote from: BillBuckner on December 20, 2006, 07:22:22 PM
Bloody hell, what has happened in here? D:
Oompa loom-pa..doompy doo...I got another riddle for you..If your not greedy you will go far...
For the Willy Wonka reference, you get karma. Lots and lots of karma. Just don't spend it all in one place.
And on topic, I really hope that isn't what Dee usually acts like. She seemed like a much more sympathetic character earlier.
Racists can be misleading, till you get them on the topic of what they hate. Then the true colors are revealed.
Quote from: Aridas Soulfire on December 21, 2006, 01:56:27 AM
Quote from: Reese Tora on December 20, 2006, 09:53:13 PM
Quote from: superluser on December 20, 2006, 02:44:04 PM
Quote from: Tapewolf on December 20, 2006, 09:33:47 AMWhat has occurred to me just now is that she says 'the end of the dragon race' not 'the destruction of the dragon race'.
Yeah, yeah, and Himmler only wanted to escort the Jews out of Europe when he talked about wanting to ausrotten (http://www.holocaust-history.org/himmler-poznan/) them.
It occurs to me that a certain prophet, a while back, said that "the life of destania has ended (http://missmab.com/Comics/Vol_295.php) at the hands of Daniel Ti'Fiona. (http://missmab.com/Comics/Vol_299.php)"
:3
And we were already told why loooong ago, near that same time. That was present tense, not future tense.
Bothered to follow
both of the links I embeded? The second goes right to the point in the story where we were told.
I was meerly supporting tapewolf's point about ending rather than destroying, not trying to imply in any way that the two things were linked. (I can't even see a way that they would link.)
Okay I had an interesting Idea
A little while back Dee mentioned she once had a "significant" intrest in Abel. I tihnk that was in referance to this. See while there are tensions between I believe Cubi and dragons normal relations are not violent. So Dee is and extreamist and she might have been planning sometihng like this for a while. I think something happened in Abels past involving dragons (explaining his extream reaction to pyro) Maybe the attack in Abels story is by dragons or dragon worshipers. But Abel wasn't extreame enough for Dee.
I'm pretty sure if this got out the rest of the cubi comunity would be up in arms
Quote from: thegayhare on December 21, 2006, 10:12:13 PMBut Abel wasn't extreame enough for Dee.
OK. I want someone to do an EXTREME version of Abel. Kinda like the atrocious Loonatics style. I think you have to admit, it would be fun.
Quote from: thegayhare on December 21, 2006, 10:12:13 PM
A little while back Dee mentioned she once had a "significant" intrest in Abel. I tihnk that was in referance to this. See while there are tensions between I believe Cubi and dragons normal relations are not violent. So Dee is and extreamist and she might have been planning sometihng like this for a while. I think something happened in Abels past involving dragons (explaining his extream reaction to pyro) Maybe the attack in Abels story is by dragons or dragon worshipers. But Abel wasn't extreame enough for Dee.
I'm pretty sure if this got out the rest of the cubi comunity would be up in arms
The other alternative is that Destania is not an extremist, but is playing along with, or playing with the mind of, Biggs.
We've seen she's an excellent actor, when she wants to be. What's to stop her from stirring the mind of Biggs into a stew?
Quote from: llearch n'n'daCorna on December 21, 2006, 10:39:43 PMWe've seen she's an excellent actor, when she wants to be. What's to stop her from stirring the mind of Biggs into a stew?
And what's to say that it isn't the other way around? >:3
Well, given Destania is a Succubus and has been that (ie, adult and aware of what she is) for >7000 years, I'd say the chances of her getting her mind shield etc messed with by a being who's been around for <30 years are slim to none.
But that's just me.
Quote from: llearch n'n'daCorna on December 22, 2006, 08:20:17 AM
Well, given Destania is a Succubus and has been that (ie, adult and aware of what she is) for >7000 years, I'd say the chances of her getting her mind shield etc messed with by a being who's been around for <30 years are slim to none.
But that's just me.
We're not talking about messing her mind-shield, but of preventing her from reading Bigg's mind. Do note that in addition to a normal mind shield, it is possible that Biggs might have the NASCAR defence. Also note that we're talking about a person who presumely single-handedly, under 22 years (that's his age, and he can't have started from birth), created/took control of the whole Twink empire, and got himself a place in the creature-being council (and if that is him, he's the only being we know that is even in the council, and might even be the spokesperson for beings..).
Her not being able to read Bigg' mind does not explain why she's in the middle of this all, apparently willingly cooperating.
Her messing with Biggs' mind does. Biggs messing with her mind does.
Of those two options. I suggested the former. Madd suggested the latter - or, at least, that's how I read his comment. Perhaps I'm mistaken there?
Quote from: llearch n'n'daCorna on December 22, 2006, 08:40:55 AM
Her not being able to read Bigg' mind does not explain why she's in the middle of this all, apparently willingly cooperating.
Her messing with Biggs' mind does. Biggs messing with her mind does.
Of those two options. I suggested the former. Madd suggested the latter - or, at least, that's how I read his comment. Perhaps I'm mistaken there?
Do note that in the Dee/Biggs relationship, Biggs have the distinct advantage of having the knowledge and resources. Without Biggs, Dee wouldn't know what to do, and could even have single-handedly tried to assult the Dragons (i.e. absolutely suicidal). We know that Dee benefits from their relationship as she would get her revenge on them (whether it's for kidnapping of Edward, Clan betrayal, or something else). We don't know how Biggs benefits other than having another bodyguard.