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Title: 12-7-06 Xander! Nooo!
Post by: Akisohida on December 06, 2006, 09:25:35 PM
New Abel Story up. Kinda sad, though. :( Do not want to say too much yet since many may not have read the new Abel Story yet.

Edited to take out a wrong comment about THIS being why Abel hates blood. Damaris pointe dout that Abel threw up earlier because of blood. ^.^
Title: Re: 12-7-06 Xander! Nooo!
Post by: bill on December 06, 2006, 09:29:23 PM
*taps*
Title: Re: 12-7-06 Xander! Nooo!
Post by: Zedd on December 06, 2006, 09:32:38 PM
That wasnt expected.... :cry
Title: Re: 12-7-06 Xander! Nooo!
Post by: Aisha deCabre on December 06, 2006, 09:32:54 PM
 :blink  Whoa...man...there's a nasty shocker...

Should've seen that one coming.  In a story you seem to always have a storm after the calm after all.  Poor Xander...

On a bit of a lighter note, I did like Devin's remark about feathers.
Title: Re: 12-7-06 Xander! Nooo!
Post by: Aridas on December 06, 2006, 09:33:16 PM
I'm not sure whether that's a yay or a screw you to the people who called it... I was sort of leaning towards NOT maimed, though. At least people can stop speccing about what's been over and done with.
Title: Re: 12-7-06 Xander! Nooo!
Post by: Stygian on December 06, 2006, 09:34:16 PM
Aw hell... there goes loads of my theories out the window. Don't you dare die like a bitch, Xander!

Still, this means murderous rage or psychosis for Devin. Which is fun.
Title: Re: 12-7-06 Xander! Nooo!
Post by: bill on December 06, 2006, 09:36:54 PM
That settles it, we need a DMFA dead pool.
Title: Re: 12-7-06 Xander! Nooo!
Post by: xHaZxMaTx on December 06, 2006, 09:42:02 PM
As I have already said to Aridas, he may or may not be dead, maybe he's just unconcious or something. :/
Title: Re: 12-7-06 Xander! Nooo!
Post by: Faerie Alex on December 06, 2006, 09:43:13 PM
Well...guess that means that he's not that Cubi. He couldn't be if he's dead. Unless he's had children...
Title: Re: 12-7-06 Xander! Nooo!
Post by: Aridas on December 06, 2006, 09:43:24 PM
"HE'S SLEEPING D,:"
Title: Re: 12-7-06 Xander! Nooo!
Post by: Kenji on December 06, 2006, 09:45:42 PM
Quote from: Aridas Soulfire on December 06, 2006, 09:43:24 PM
"HE'S SLEEPING D,:"

Like a bloody lil baby.
...
Pip pip, what what.
Title: Re: 12-7-06 Xander! Nooo!
Post by: Akisohida on December 06, 2006, 09:48:54 PM
Now that people know, I can comment more. I believe Devin is going to flip because Xander is dead (horribly wounded, get injured and put in danger, and Abels 'cubi powers are going to awaken while he casts spells at the enemy (he knows magic, remember?) and while his wings are changing, he is going to think it is magic untill the paladin tells him it is cubi powers, either before attacking him or after attacking him.
Title: Re: 12-7-06 Xander! Nooo!
Post by: Damaris on December 06, 2006, 09:50:53 PM
Keep in mind- this isn't necessarily why Able hates blood.  He had that puking jag earlier in the river.

Poor Xander. :(
Title: Re: 12-7-06 Xander! Nooo!
Post by: Gareeku on December 06, 2006, 09:52:48 PM
Noooo! Xander! :cry
Title: Re: 12-7-06 Xander! Nooo!
Post by: Zaon on December 06, 2006, 09:53:54 PM
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO T-T XANDER
DON'T DIE ON US
Title: Re: 12-7-06 Xander! Nooo!
Post by: Stygian on December 06, 2006, 09:54:24 PM
I can but nod at Akisohida's last statement and declare that it would be a very logical continuation.
Title: Re: 12-7-06 Xander! Nooo!
Post by: superluser on December 06, 2006, 09:58:57 PM
Man, that must be a *bitch* coming from a funeral, and then having to prepare for another.

I'll make it no secret that I'm not fond of characters who are created just to die, so that the ``real'' characters can have some epiphany.  I suppose it would be too much to ask for a Xander arc?
Title: Re: 12-7-06 Xander! Nooo!
Post by: GabrielsThoughts on December 06, 2006, 10:01:18 PM
Strangely enough I foresaw this happening, this  is also why I'm vauge and ambigious when I do my fancomic lest it become out dated.

Keep in mind we don't know it is xander at this point, I only noticed a pale green hand, Xander could have just as easily lobbed it off at the wrist because it went bad and has since replaced it with a chainsaw.
Title: Re: 12-7-06 Xander! Nooo!
Post by: Psaakyrn on December 06, 2006, 10:02:12 PM
Quote from: modelincard on December 06, 2006, 09:43:13 PM
Well...guess that means that he's not that Cubi. He couldn't be if he's dead. Unless he's had children...

It's not as if cubi cannot return from near-death experiences ( http://missmab.com/Comics/Vol_157.php ).. But still, it's rather unlikely, unless there's some form of strong emotion to absorb around, and etc.

I wonder though, when Xander last spoke, was he really referring to Glory, or something else he sensed? Or more importantly, why exactly did the fiends return to the watchtower, what did they miss? (if it was something they missed,  or they could've been alerted to something they want..)
Title: Re: 12-7-06 Xander! Nooo!
Post by: e_voyager on December 06, 2006, 10:05:34 PM
you can't help but feel form him still he may not be dead yet. there is a Chance he's just wounded
Title: Re: 12-7-06 Xander! Nooo!
Post by: AndersW on December 06, 2006, 10:10:23 PM
I am wondering what the blue mark in the second to last panel is.  It is on the right border, above the bloody hand.  To me it looks like a blue paw, like the clan marking of the home-ec teacher in SAIA.  Seen here (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_553.php) third panel, on her chest.
Title: Re: 12-7-06 Xander! Nooo!
Post by: xHaZxMaTx on December 06, 2006, 10:13:34 PM
Hmm, good eye.  It's blurry, whatever it is, so it's probably in the background.  It's looks kind of like feathers on a wing.  But the only person there with wings in Abel...  Also, there's seems to be a fireball either hitting it, or flying past/in front of it.
Title: Re: 12-7-06 Xander! Nooo!
Post by: Psaakyrn on December 06, 2006, 10:17:18 PM
Frankly, it's likely to be another shield, considering it's faded as though it's in the background. (there are 3 in Glory's team after all, and I don't think the other two would just stand there while fireballs are flying about.)

Is Abel having a headache? He has his hands on his head.. (and I don't think it would be a bad guess that there's likely a lot of confusion going on, and especially from Devin..)

Side note: by the way Devin referred to wings, I think it's likely that the fiends are winged too... though lots of things are winged. I was wondering whether "Night Angels" could have been a term used to refer to cubi..
Title: Re: 12-7-06 Xander! Nooo!
Post by: superluser on December 06, 2006, 10:18:19 PM
Quote from: Psaakyrn on December 06, 2006, 10:17:18 PMFrankly, it's likely to be another shield, considering it's faded as though it's in the background. (there are 3 in Glory's team after all, and I don't think the other two would just stand there while fireballs are flying about.)

Yeah, I'm betting it's Dorian.

Quote from: Psaakyrn on December 06, 2006, 10:17:18 PMI was wondering whether "Night Angels" could have been a term used to refer to cubi..

Given the succubus/incubus myths, and the hypnagogic phenomenon that may have given rise to it, I wouldn't be surprised.  This is taking place in the equivalent of the 17th century, after all.
Title: Re: 12-7-06 Xander! Nooo!
Post by: Anri on December 06, 2006, 10:29:04 PM
Meep. :<
Title: Re: 12-7-06 Xander! Nooo!
Post by: Akisohida on December 06, 2006, 10:32:20 PM
Quote from: Stygian on December 06, 2006, 09:54:24 PM
I can but nod at Akisohida's last statement and declare that it would be a very logical continuation.

Since it is logical..It is not what is going to happen. ;) We know Amber enough to know we will never know what she will do next, you know? :) I do still stand by the speculation of mine further up, though. :)
Title: Re: 12-7-06 Xander! Nooo!
Post by: KarlOmega1 on December 06, 2006, 10:34:35 PM
*does Vader voice*

NNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!
Title: Re: 12-7-06 Xander! Nooo!
Post by: Kasarn on December 06, 2006, 10:39:31 PM
Can he just kiss him to make it all better? :<
Title: Re: 12-7-06 Xander! Nooo!
Post by: Caswin on December 06, 2006, 10:40:59 PM
And no comments on the first-panel line?

I laughed... <<
Title: Re: 12-7-06 Xander! Nooo!
Post by: Kasarn on December 06, 2006, 10:44:10 PM
Quote from: Caswin on December 06, 2006, 10:40:59 PM
And no comments on the first-panel line?

I laughed... <<

Abel said balls, lol :E
Title: Re: 12-7-06 Xander! Nooo!
Post by: thegayhare on December 06, 2006, 10:48:53 PM
I keep picturing Devin running over to Xander, fireballs exploding all around him but he just doesn't notice , kneeling next to Xander and just hugging him close, crying as glory and the others fight off the enemy.  Babbling all the while,  "You'll be okay,  we'll get you to the docs and you'll be right as rain, then you and me we can take that trip you wanted,  It'll be like old times just you and me"
Title: Re: 12-7-06 Xander! Nooo!
Post by: xHaZxMaTx on December 06, 2006, 10:50:47 PM
Hey, there's no more blood on the wagon, anymore. :P
Title: Re: 12-7-06 Xander! Nooo!
Post by: DigitalMan on December 06, 2006, 10:50:57 PM
Quote from: KarlOmega1 on December 06, 2006, 10:34:35 PM
*does Vader voice*

NNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!

Beat me to it...

Well, crap. I was so certain Devin wouldn't die here, but with Xander perhaps dead, it's perfectly plausible for Devin to share the same fate.
Title: Re: 12-7-06 Xander! Nooo!
Post by: Manawolf on December 06, 2006, 11:02:00 PM
MOTHER****ER'S GONNA DIE!
Title: Re: 12-7-06 Xander! Nooo!
Post by: Toric on December 06, 2006, 11:05:16 PM
Quote from: Psaakyrn on December 06, 2006, 10:17:18 PM
I was wondering whether "Night Angels" could have been a term used to refer to cubi..
Why can't Night Angels just be Angels? As in a particular variety of Angels with a sadistic streak and love of starlight?
Title: Re: 12-7-06 Xander! Nooo!
Post by: superluser on December 06, 2006, 11:15:20 PM
Quote from: DigitalMan on December 06, 2006, 10:50:57 PMWell, crap. I was so certain Devin wouldn't die here, but with Xander perhaps dead, it's perfectly plausible for Devin to share the same fate.

I don't think so.  I think either Xander's the only one to die, or everyone but Abel dies.  Looking back on it, Xander wasn't given much of a personality, and there wasn't much more that Amber could have done, short of putting him in a red shirt to indicate that if anyone were to die, it would be him.

There are still unresolved issues with Devin (why did his mother disown him, for example) that are presumably going to be wrapped up in the arc at some point.

Quote from: Toric on December 06, 2006, 11:05:16 PMWhy can't Night Angels just be Angels? As in a particular variety of Angels with a sadistic streak and love of starlight?

Just don't ask them to provide security if you ever perform at Altamont?

Oh, and DO NOT WANT! :B
Title: Re: 12-7-06 Xander! Nooo!
Post by: Azlan on December 06, 2006, 11:34:28 PM
Awww, I liked Xander.
Title: Re: 12-7-06 Xander! Nooo!
Post by: Regal on December 06, 2006, 11:41:26 PM
This is terrible. A feather up the nose is nothing to sneeze at.
Title: Re: 12-7-06 Xander! Nooo!
Post by: e_voyager on December 07, 2006, 12:14:50 AM
we must plea toe the deities that the be but a flesh wound. then perhaps he shall live on.

Easeful the Forrest were we grow an decay no longer.
Title: Re: 12-7-06 Xander! Nooo!
Post by: Cogidubnus on December 07, 2006, 12:20:11 AM
Like his, a mute and uncomplaining sleep;
For he is gone, where all things wise and fair
Descend;—oh, dream not that the amorous Deep
Will yet restore him to the vital air;
Death feeds on his mute voice, and laughs at our despair.


Poor kid. :<
Title: Re: 12-7-06 Xander! Nooo!
Post by: LionHeart on December 07, 2006, 12:53:45 AM
Quote from: Psaakyrn on December 06, 2006, 10:17:18 PM
Is Abel having a headache? He has his hands on his head.. (and I don't think it would be a bad guess that there's likely a lot of confusion going on, and especially from Devin..)

I'd think Devin would be feeling more shock than confusion...
Title: Re: 12-7-06 Xander! Nooo!
Post by: King Of Hearts on December 07, 2006, 01:03:26 AM
Dont worry! Its just a flesh wound!

Personally Im enjoying this turn of events, as once already said quite a contrast from the main comic.
Title: Re: 12-7-06 Xander! Nooo!
Post by: Elader Arkon on December 07, 2006, 01:04:15 AM
Poor Xander.

I suppose this might be incentive to do some serious fighting.

Speaking of which, what are Glory's doing? I think I see part of another shield in there, but being on the defensive doesn't get very far....
Title: Re: 12-7-06 Xander! Nooo!
Post by: Aridas on December 07, 2006, 01:13:01 AM
Actually, I just thought of something. Glory was there, and saw the three of them the whole time. How come the person WATCHING those three hadn't noticed Xander slipping away figuratively and literally?
Title: Re: 12-7-06 Xander! Nooo!
Post by: xHaZxMaTx on December 07, 2006, 01:22:13 AM
Because she had big flaming balls being shot at her. :B
Title: Re: 12-7-06 Xander! Nooo!
Post by: King Of Hearts on December 07, 2006, 01:40:25 AM
hmm... a creature using fire arrows...

non magical?
Title: Re: 12-7-06 Xander! Nooo!
Post by: superluser on December 07, 2006, 01:43:46 AM
Mother, all this indeed hath Jove fulfill'd;
Yet what avails it, since my dearest friend
Is slain, Patroclus? whom I honour'd most
Of all my comrades, lov'd him as my soul.
Him have I lost: and Hector from his corpse
Hath stripp'd those arms, those weighty, beauteous arms,
A marvel to behold


I wonder how close Devin and Xander were.  It will be quite difficult for him to mourn properly for a while, which could bode very poorly for his mental health.
Title: Re: 12-7-06 Xander! Nooo!
Post by: Jack McSlay on December 07, 2006, 01:57:11 AM
wow that sucks for devin...

I think there is likely another enemy in there, he would likely be burned instead had he been hit by the fireballs
Title: Re: 12-7-06 Xander! Nooo!
Post by: King Of Hearts on December 07, 2006, 02:19:02 AM
hmm... Abel getting mistaken for the creature again?

ack, I promised myself I wouldnt speculate so much now.
Title: Re: 12-7-06 Xander! Nooo!
Post by: Siren on December 07, 2006, 03:08:35 AM
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!! *sob* :cry :cry :cry
'A' WHY GOD? WHYYYYYY!!

Sorry..... but it's really sad. I'm still hoping he's not really dead. He's such a nice guy.

On a lighter note, very good eye AndersW. I wonder what that mark is.....
Title: Re: 12-7-06 Xander! Nooo!
Post by: Arcalane on December 07, 2006, 03:23:29 AM
"Man down! Man down!"

:B
Title: Re: 12-7-06 Xander! Nooo!
Post by: Sid on December 07, 2006, 04:54:43 AM
NOOOOOOOOOOO NOT XANDER! 'A' WHY HIM?
Title: Re: 12-7-06 Xander! Nooo!
Post by: Tapewolf on December 07, 2006, 05:34:48 AM
Oh dear.  That certainly sucks if he's dead.  If so, it makes the dalmatian character in SAIA even more mysterious.

Now, Abel has done magic courses - one would assume he has been taught some degree of healing magic.  If Xander is not already dead, it could be interesting to see what he's capable of.
Title: Re: 12-7-06 Xander! Nooo!
Post by: RJ on December 07, 2006, 06:02:09 AM
*bottom lip quivers as she pouts*

Bu-but... Xander was awesome... ;_;
Title: Re: 12-7-06 Xander! Nooo!
Post by: llearch n'n'daCorna on December 07, 2006, 06:11:39 AM
Quote from: King Of Hearts on December 07, 2006, 01:03:26 AM
Dont worry! Its just a flesh wound!

.. Come back! I'll bite your legs off!

*cough*

Hey, Xander - Jump, Gipsy! Press A! Press A!
Title: Re: 12-7-06 Xander! Nooo!
Post by: Joshua on December 07, 2006, 06:55:15 AM
I liked Xander too. ;_;
That totally blows. >p
Hopeful thinking... maybe he's just injured or and Glory can heal him.
Title: Re: 12-7-06 Xander! Nooo!
Post by: Alondro on December 07, 2006, 08:49:27 AM
*Charline smirks*  Oh come now.  Even if he is dead, it doesn't matter.  That was almost 400 years ago.  If Xander was just a being, he'd be long dead by the current DMFA year anyway!  No matter what, in the Abel's Story arc he will eventually die!  And so will everyone else who isn't a creature!  They'll all die!  Ha ha ha ha ha!!  Die beings!  Die die die!   >:3

*Charles erfs*  Charline isn't the most compassionate sort of person, in case you hadn't noticed.  I'm used to characters dying off suddenly, so my main interest is how this is going to affect the others in the group and if it will lead eventually to Abel's 'cubification' manifestation tribulation.  :3
Title: Re: 12-7-06 Xander! Nooo!
Post by: Alan Garou on December 07, 2006, 08:58:17 AM
Poor Xander. He was too nice to die like that. I think Devin is going to need a hug.  :hug And, after reading this, so do I.
Title: Re: 12-7-06 Xander! Nooo!
Post by: Angel on December 07, 2006, 09:01:20 AM
(shocked) Meh. Buh. Xa. Seh.

....How?

He didn't appear in the last two comics, so it's possible he may have been dead for a while. Come to think of it, when Glory asked whether Devin had noticed the state of his "third party member," could she have meant Xander? After all, Abel was standing right next to him.

Now that the little bit of analysis is out of the way... (mourns)  :cry
Title: Re: 12-7-06 Xander! Nooo!
Post by: VioletDusk on December 07, 2006, 09:08:54 AM
Oh no.  :cry
Title: Re: 12-7-06 Xander! Nooo!
Post by: Tapewolf on December 07, 2006, 09:16:46 AM
Quote from: Alondro on December 07, 2006, 08:49:27 AM
If Xander was just a being, he'd be long dead by the current DMFA year anyway!

Well even before my 'Xander in SAIA' thing, there was speculation that he was a demon, in which case he would have still have been alive today.  That might still be the case, depending on what happens next...
Title: Re: 12-7-06 Xander! Nooo!
Post by: Aridas on December 07, 2006, 09:42:16 AM
Quote from: Black_angel on December 07, 2006, 09:01:20 AM
when Glory asked whether Devin had noticed the state of his "third party member," could she have meant Xander?
No, because he wasn't dead and they weren't being attacked at that point, and she didn't correct Devin when he mentioned Abel's wings.
Title: Re: 12-7-06 Xander! Nooo!
Post by: Akisohida on December 07, 2006, 09:59:34 AM
Quote from: Aridas Soulfire on December 07, 2006, 09:42:16 AM
Quote from: Black_angel on December 07, 2006, 09:01:20 AM
when Glory asked whether Devin had noticed the state of his "third party member," could she have meant Xander?
No, because he wasn't dead and they weren't being attacked at that point, and she didn't correct Devin when he mentioned Abel's wings.

That and since Devin knows Glory, it can be assumed Xander does as well and since Abel would be new to Glory, that would make Abel the 'third party member'; the third person Glory has seen adventuring with Devin.

Side note: If Xander is dead; He did not have a red shirt but he DID have red eyes! Amber put a twist on the Star Trecks 'Red Shirt Rule'! :D

Edit: 'Wanna bet I can ding the tower from here?' Since Devin has no weapons, it can be assumed he must have some powerful magic to go monster hunting without them. Wanna bet has 'That's not a fireball' *summons up a fireball the size of the cart* 'THIS is a fireball!'
Title: Re: 12-7-06 Xander! Nooo!
Post by: rt on December 07, 2006, 10:05:00 AM
Quote from: Black_angel on December 07, 2006, 09:01:20 AM
He didn't appear in the last two comics, so it's possible he may have been dead for a while. Come to think of it, when Glory asked whether Devin had noticed the state of his "third party member," could she have meant Xander? After all, Abel was standing right next to him.

Hmm, found his ear and eye just before they started that conversation, so I'd say likely not
http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Abel_56.php

:cry I guess the fireballs got him  :cry

I guess this eliminates the Xander=Monster speculation though
Title: Re: 12-7-06 Xander! Nooo!
Post by: Tapewolf on December 07, 2006, 10:10:42 AM
Quote from: Akisohida on December 07, 2006, 09:59:34 AM
Side note: If Xander is dead; He did not have a red shirt but he DID have red eyes! Amber put a twist on the Star Treks 'Red Shirt Rule'! :D
Devin and Abel seem to actually react to the loss of a teammate, unlike Star Trek where they seem to calmly flush the crewman down the toilet and promptly forget they ever existed.
Title: Re: 12-7-06 Xander! Nooo!
Post by: Akisohida on December 07, 2006, 10:38:48 AM
I have one more theory and this regards the creek 'nearby'. If the creature was in the tower the whole time, why did I not kill Xander when Xander went into the base to send a message..or attack when they put out the fire? It would have had to come back AFTER Xander sent the message and left to go to the creek. That means the creek has to be out of sight of the building or there was a good chance they would see it sneaking in. Want to bet that Xander was killed (or incapacitated) when he went in to send the message and what Devin and Abel had with them was a magic copy or illusion? Perhaps made to 'die' to take the fight out of Abel and Devin? Maybe the copy will fade away when Devin runs over to it and Devin will realise they have been duped and kick some monster buttocks and find Xander, beaten and barely-alive, somewhere inside and the Paladin, as per her oath, will heal him despite not getting along with Devin or Xander.
Title: Re: 12-7-06 Xander! Nooo!
Post by: Nikki on December 07, 2006, 10:44:01 AM
the half-breed's lower lip trembles as she starts to break down, crying

Not Xander! Anyone But Xander!  :cry :cry :cry :cry
Title: Re: 12-7-06 Xander! Nooo!
Post by: Snuggles on December 07, 2006, 11:05:13 AM
He reminded me of my old pet  :tired
...
:cry  :cry
Anyone need a hug
:hug
Title: Re: 12-7-06 Xander! Nooo!
Post by: superluser on December 07, 2006, 11:23:19 AM
Quote from: rt on December 07, 2006, 10:05:00 AMI guess this eliminates the Xander=Monster speculation though

Hardly.  It would be the perfect cover.  Pretend to die behind the front while simultaneously launching an attack from the other side.  The enemy gets their defenses pointed towards the front, and you sneak up behind and attack.

Of course, this strip has put me in a sad mood, so I'm not really inclined to follow up on this line of speculation.
Title: Re: 12-7-06 Xander! Nooo!
Post by: Reese Tora on December 07, 2006, 11:56:54 AM
Quote from: Akisohida on December 07, 2006, 10:38:48 AM
I have one more theory and this regards the creek 'nearby'. If the creature was in the tower the whole time, why did I not kill Xander when Xander went into the base to send a message..or attack when they put out the fire? It would have had to come back AFTER Xander sent the message and left to go to the creek. That means the creek has to be out of sight of the building or there was a good chance they would see it sneaking in. Want to bet that Xander was killed (or incapacitated) when he went in to send the message and what Devin and Abel had with them was a magic copy or illusion? Perhaps made to 'die' to take the fight out of Abel and Devin? Maybe the copy will fade away when Devin runs over to it and Devin will realise they have been duped and kick some monster buttocks and find Xander, beaten and barely-alive, somewhere inside and the Paladin, as per her oath, will heal him despite not getting along with Devin or Xander.

New theory :D
I would have expected this sort of behavior from charline, but...

Quote from: Cogidubnus on December 07, 2006, 12:20:11 AM
Like his, a mute and uncomplaining sleep;
For he is gone, where all things wise and fair
Descend;—oh, dream not that the amorous Deep
Will yet restore him to the vital air;
Death feeds on his mute voice, and laughs at our despair.


Poor kid. :<
Quote from: superluser on December 07, 2006, 01:43:46 AM
Mother, all this indeed hath Jove fulfill'd;
Yet what avails it, since my dearest friend
Is slain, Patroclus? whom I honour'd most
Of all my comrades, lov'd him as my soul.
Him have I lost: and Hector from his corpse
Hath stripp'd those arms, those weighty, beauteous arms,
A marvel to behold


I wonder how close Devin and Xander were.  It will be quite difficult for him to mourn properly for a while, which could bode very poorly for his mental health.

Quote
Alas, poor Xander! - I knew him, Abel; a
fellow of infinite jest, of most excelent
fancy: he hath borne me on his back a thou-
sand times and now, how abhorred in my
imagination it is! My gorge rises at it. Here
hung those lips that I ahve kissed I know
not how oft. Where are your gibes now? your
gambols? your songs? your flashes of merri-
ment, that were wont to set the table on a
roar? Not one now, to mock your own grin-
ning? Quite chap-fallen? Now get you to my
lady's chamber, and tell her, let her paint an
inch thick, to this favor she must come;
make her laugh at that.
Title: Re: 12-7-06 Xander! Nooo!
Post by: thegayhare on December 07, 2006, 12:29:12 PM
Quote from: Tapewolf on December 07, 2006, 05:34:48 AM
Now, Abel has done magic courses - one would assume he has been taught some degree of healing magic.  If Xander is not already dead, it could be interesting to see what he's capable of.

I don't think able has any healing magics other then the most basic of basics. 

after all afte a couple hundred years at saia (learning everything he could) he still had to go to nurse RJ to get his damages repaired
Title: Re: 12-7-06 Xander! Nooo!
Post by: Psaakyrn on December 07, 2006, 12:39:40 PM
Quote from: thegayhare on December 07, 2006, 12:29:12 PM
Quote from: Tapewolf on December 07, 2006, 05:34:48 AM
Now, Abel has done magic courses - one would assume he has been taught some degree of healing magic.  If Xander is not already dead, it could be interesting to see what he's capable of.

I don't think able has any healing magics other then the most basic of basics. 

after all afte a couple hundred years at saia (learning everything he could) he still had to go to nurse RJ to get his damages repaired

You do realise that loss of a whole wing is not exactly a flesh wound?

Then again, how did Xander get cut up anyway? The fiends are a) on the roof, and b) throwing fireballs (or flaming arrows as mentioned by someone), but being heavily injured (if not dead) and bleeding at the arm generally means multiple cut wounds (at least two, since arm cuts are usually not that instant-fatal).

But my main question is still, why did the fiends return? Did they miss something, or is Xander/Abel/Devin of sufficient interest to the fiends to justify returning to a place they recently rampaged?
Title: Re: 12-7-06 Xander! Nooo!
Post by: Snuggles on December 07, 2006, 12:45:43 PM
Quote from: Psaakyrn on December 07, 2006, 12:39:40 PM
You do realise that loss of a whole wing is not exactly a flesh wound?

Then again, how did Xander get cut up anyway? The fiends are a) on the roof, and b) throwing fireballs (or flaming arrows as mentioned by someone), but being heavily injured (if not dead) and bleeding at the arm generally means multiple cut wounds (at least two, since arm cuts are usually not that instant-fatal).

But my main question is still, why did the fiends return? Did they miss something, or is Xander/Abel/Devin of sufficient interest to the fiends to justify returning to a place they recently rampaged?
You never know... He could have gotten a arrow or fireball to the head or face and she didn't want to show all of the blood and other stuff.
Title: Re: 12-7-06 Xander! Nooo!
Post by: thegayhare on December 07, 2006, 12:58:36 PM
Quote from: Psaakyrn on December 07, 2006, 12:39:40 PM

You do realise that loss of a whole wing is not exactly a flesh wound?

Then again, how did Xander get cut up anyway? The fiends are a) on the roof, and b) throwing fireballs (or flaming arrows as mentioned by someone), but being heavily injured (if not dead) and bleeding at the arm generally means multiple cut wounds (at least two, since arm cuts are usually not that instant-fatal).

Are you sure? for a cubi who'd have regrown the whole thing anyway.  besides he didn't take care of any of his other injuries himself either.  besides what good would healing magic do for abel?  He's have to stop puking long enough to heal the target

as for the blood from fire balls

it depends if these are the exploding kind it could have blown his head clean off or a large portion of his chest or simply blown him to peices and the hand could ends at a stump just off panel.  a near miss could have destroyed a rock showering Xander with a spray of shrapnel, or cuased a tree to fall on him.  Or there could have been more then one type of projectile.

now that I think about it there is alot od wisdom in targeting Xander first.  With his bow he's got the only obvous means of long range retaliation
Title: Re: 12-7-06 Xander! Nooo!
Post by: superluser on December 07, 2006, 01:09:58 PM
Quote from: Psaakyrn on December 07, 2006, 12:39:40 PMbut being heavily injured (if not dead) and bleeding at the arm generally means multiple cut wounds (at least two, since arm cuts are usually not that instant-fatal).

Well, Xander could have been struck by a fireball and crashed to the ground, causing him to bleed, and the blood would have run all over.  Plus, his fur would have acted like a wick.

Quote from: Psaakyrn on December 07, 2006, 12:39:40 PMBut my main question is still, why did the fiends return? Did they miss something, or is Xander/Abel/Devin of sufficient interest to the fiends to justify returning to a place they recently rampaged?

I'm of the opinion that the creature keeps circling back to the fort in an effort to draw out adventurers (or possibly Glory in particular).
Title: Re: 12-7-06 Xander! Nooo!
Post by: Izkata on December 07, 2006, 02:25:45 PM
Xander....  =(

Huh... look at Abel in the next to last panel... he's curled up with his hands on his head and his tail around a leg...  Either scared of the fire and/or monster, or a headache, or both...  And if I was scared of the monster, I'd be trying to look around the side to see if it was coming/aiming this way or not...
Title: Re: 12-7-06 Xander! Nooo!
Post by: terrycloth on December 07, 2006, 04:00:04 PM
Quote from: Izkata on December 07, 2006, 02:25:45 PM
Huh... look at Abel in the next to last panel... he's curled up with his hands on his head and his tail around a leg...  Either scared of the fire and/or monster, or a headache, or both...  And if I was scared of the monster, I'd be trying to look around the side to see if it was coming/aiming this way or not...

I think Abel's just totally lost it and frozen up, because he's not used to fighting. I really can't see him doing anything useful in the fight, regardless of whatever magic he might have learned, unless someone pushes him to snap out of it.

Which might happen.
Title: Re: 12-7-06 Xander! Nooo!
Post by: willow186129 on December 07, 2006, 07:49:58 PM
Quote from: GabrielsThoughts on December 06, 2006, 10:01:18 PM
Keep in mind we don't know it is xander at this point, I only noticed a pale green hand, Xander could have just as easily lobbed it off at the wrist because it went bad and has since replaced it with a chainsaw.

Groovy  :U

On another note! Xander was my favorite character. ;-; You're not supposed to kill the nice spotty dog, it's just not cool.
Title: Re: 12-7-06 Xander! Nooo!
Post by: thetire on December 07, 2006, 08:20:25 PM
No idea if this has been posted before, but I think he's gonna be transported to a different dimention apon death.

(http://www.comedycentral.com/images/shows/drawntogether/characters/xandir_m4.jpg)
Title: Re: 12-7-06 Xander! Nooo!
Post by: Amber Williams on December 07, 2006, 08:22:50 PM
Quote from: Zander on December 07, 2006, 08:20:25 PM
No idea if this has been posted before, but I think he's gonna be transported to a different dimention apon death.

(http://www.comedycentral.com/images/shows/drawntogether/characters/xandir_m4.jpg)

Don't worry! He's got 49 lives left! :U
Title: Re: 12-7-06 Xander! Nooo!
Post by: Gildedtongue on December 07, 2006, 08:23:52 PM
*plucks some feathers from a baby Phoenix chick, and goes to drop them on Xander's body*

REVIVE!

...

Hmmm, must've died in a cinema sequence... nuuuu!

*blinks and has an angry Phoenix mum behind hir* ut oh.
Title: Re: 12-7-06 Xander! Nooo!
Post by: thegayhare on December 07, 2006, 08:33:33 PM
Ohhh and that fits him too

Wait I wonder... Ms Amber did say some where she used to watch Drawn together... When did Xander first apear in Furra...   

Gasp she stoled him from comedy central
Title: Re: 12-7-06 Xander! Nooo!
Post by: Zedd on December 07, 2006, 08:34:17 PM
Quote from: Amber Panyko on December 07, 2006, 08:22:50 PM
Quote from: Zander on December 07, 2006, 08:20:25 PM
No idea if this has been posted before, but I think he's gonna be transported to a different dimention apon death.

(http://www.comedycentral.com/images/shows/drawntogether/characters/xandir_m4.jpg)

Don't worry! He's got 49 lives left! :U

Dont worry? Well if long were making gay refs....How long has it been going to the glory hole?
Title: Re: 12-7-06 Xander! Nooo!
Post by: komissarmakarov on December 07, 2006, 09:53:58 PM
Welllp, there goes my budding v/a career :rolleyes

And here I was having fun doing the Scottish accent too... :B
Title: Re: 12-7-06 Xander! Nooo!
Post by: Mock AV on December 08, 2006, 12:13:50 AM
Wouldn't Glory presumably have some healing abilities, being a Paladin and all, granted it may be too late, but.... it's always nice to hope?
Title: Re: 12-7-06 Xander! Nooo!
Post by: e_voyager on December 08, 2006, 12:37:34 AM
49 left? that's a lot of spare bodied then again who am i to talk as only ran out ran's me
Title: Re: 12-7-06 Xander! Nooo!
Post by: Taross on December 08, 2006, 07:24:59 AM
Quote from: Zedd on December 07, 2006, 08:34:17 PM
Quote from: Amber Panyko on December 07, 2006, 08:22:50 PM
Quote from: Zander on December 07, 2006, 08:20:25 PM
No idea if this has been posted before, but I think he's gonna be transported to a different dimention apon death.

(http://www.comedycentral.com/images/shows/drawntogether/characters/xandir_m4.jpg)

Don't worry! He's got 49 lives left! :U

Dont worry? Well if long were making gay refs....How long has it been going to the glory hole?

But can he jump with a spin now too?
Title: Re: 12-7-06 Xander! Nooo!
Post by: Angel on December 08, 2006, 09:08:46 AM
Quote from: terrycloth on December 07, 2006, 04:00:04 PM
Quote from: Izkata on December 07, 2006, 02:25:45 PM
Huh... look at Abel in the next to last panel... he's curled up with his hands on his head and his tail around a leg...  Either scared of the fire and/or monster, or a headache, or both...  And if I was scared of the monster, I'd be trying to look around the side to see if it was coming/aiming this way or not...

I think Abel's just totally lost it and frozen up, because he's not used to fighting. I really can't see him doing anything useful in the fight, regardless of whatever magic he might have learned, unless someone pushes him to snap out of it.

Which might happen.

Anyone else watch the film "Glory" in History class? Matthew Broderick did that in the very beginning, during the Battle of Antietam.

(blink) ZOMG. Glory. Bloody battle during which someone who's really pretty strong curls up and waits for it to go away. Fighting a battle during which many will probably die a horrible death.

...Now all we need is Morgan Freeman to poke Abel out of his stupor and the film reference will be complete!
Title: Re: 12-7-06 Xander! Nooo!
Post by: Gildedtongue on December 08, 2006, 10:12:20 AM
Of course, he could just be feigning death until the opprotune time to nail the baddie in the forehead *sage nod*

Well, only if he's at level 20...
Title: Re: 12-7-06 Xander! Nooo!
Post by: ShiningShadow on December 08, 2006, 12:48:34 PM
Quote from: Psaakyrn on December 07, 2006, 12:39:40 PM
Quote from: thegayhare on December 07, 2006, 12:29:12 PM
Quote from: Tapewolf on December 07, 2006, 05:34:48 AM
Now, Abel has done magic courses - one would assume he has been taught some degree of healing magic.  If Xander is not already dead, it could be interesting to see what he's capable of.

I don't think able has any healing magics other then the most basic of basics. 

after all after a couple hundred years at saia (learning everything he could) he still had to go to nurse RJ to get his damages repaired

You do realise that loss of a whole wing is not exactly a flesh wound?

Then again, how did Xander get cut up anyway? The fiends are a) on the roof, and b) throwing fireballs (or flaming arrows as mentioned by someone), but being heavily injured (if not dead) and bleeding at the arm generally means multiple cut wounds (at least two, since arm cuts are usually not that instant-fatal).

But my main question is still, why did the fiends return? Did they miss something, or is Xander/Abel/Devin of sufficient interest to the fiends to justify returning to a place they recently rampaged?

I think you are wrong on the multiple cuts on the arm there's a artery in the arm cut a slash mark on that artery they will bleed. If you don't get to a doc and surgically attach the artery that person will die. I saw that in the episode in 24 where and enemy cut an artery of his love interest well I know this cause i looked it up in a medical book of the arteries of the arm. I think Xander is alive he's out cold I don't think Amber would do this so easy to kill him off in that manner no way that's how I see it right now.
Title: Re: 12-7-06 Xander! Nooo!
Post by: Roureem Egas on December 08, 2006, 12:55:07 PM
It looks more like Xander has some cuts on his hand. I still don't get how he could possbily have gotten them, since fire as I understand it does not cut.

I'd use one of Taski's pictures of Desu to express my actual thoughts, but I'm a bit lazy. :/
Title: Re: 12-7-06 Xander! Nooo!
Post by: Ted Schiller on December 08, 2006, 01:04:07 PM
QuoteDevin said
Hey Xander! Want to bet I can ding the tower from here?!

Devin finds out how wrong he is when a purple Fae-Kitty leaps from the tower and kills all except Abel.  She is about to kill Abel when she is stopped by her friend, a Royal Standard Poodle Succubus.

[insert dramatic music sting here]

"Well, Squirt, got yourself caught by some adventurers, mmm?

The succubus stops short, a look of surprise overtakes her face.
The young man's complete inability to filter his thoughts is odd, but not as much as the thoughts themselves.

"You...do realize you are not a Being."


With regards,
Ted
Title: Re: 12-7-06 Xander! Nooo!
Post by: superluser on December 08, 2006, 01:18:25 PM
Quote from: Ted Schiller on December 08, 2006, 01:04:07 PMDevin finds out how wrong he is when a purple Fae-Kitty leaps from the tower and kills all except Abel.

...with a +2 Voulge!

Quote from: Ted Schiller on December 08, 2006, 01:04:07 PMShe is about to kill Abel when she is stopped by her friend, a Royal Standard Poodle Succubus.

Succubus?  Wouldn't that mean that May and the succubus...

Of course, as I mentioned before, the real succubus/incubus legends say that they can change sex at will.
Title: Re: 12-7-06 Xander! Nooo!
Post by: terrycloth on December 08, 2006, 01:34:02 PM
Quote from: superluser on December 08, 2006, 01:18:25 PM
Quote from: Ted Schiller on December 08, 2006, 01:04:07 PMDevin finds out how wrong he is when a purple Fae-Kitty leaps from the tower and kills all except Abel.

...with a +2 Voulge!

Hi Abel! It turns out this was a +2 Voulge of time travelling! What's wrong, don't you remember me? We're going to be great friends in 300 years...
Title: Re: 12-7-06 Xander! Nooo!
Post by: Azlan on December 08, 2006, 08:47:23 PM
Quote from: superluser on December 08, 2006, 01:18:25 PM
Quote from: Ted Schiller on December 08, 2006, 01:04:07 PMDevin finds out how wrong he is when a purple Fae-Kitty leaps from the tower and kills all except Abel.

...with a +2 Voulge!



That would be the first time I've seen anyone kill someone with a voulge...
Title: Re: 12-7-06 Xander! Nooo!
Post by: llearch n'n'daCorna on December 08, 2006, 09:45:05 PM
.. other than themselves, you mean? :-)
Title: Re: 12-7-06 Xander! Nooo!
Post by: e_voyager on December 09, 2006, 03:22:29 AM
does that even count as fighting or is it merely assisted suicide
Title: Re: 12-7-06 Xander! Nooo!
Post by: Azlan on December 09, 2006, 03:39:04 PM
The voulge is another one of those ridiculous Medieval to Renaissance polearms that saw zero to nearly no use as a weapon of war.  Employed mostly by standing house guards, militia and poor soldiery, it seems to be a slightly more useful entry in the unusual and escalating arms race to field multifunctional long melee arms to scare your opponents with.
Title: Re: 12-7-06 Xander! Nooo!
Post by: Kaerou on December 09, 2006, 05:40:10 PM
Hey, the bug swarms in diablo 2 seemed to do pretty alright with voulges!  I recall the swarms of tiny critters dropping them reguarly!

And on topic..

NOOO, i just read this comic.. not the cute doggy! :'(
Title: Re: 12-7-06 Xander! Nooo!
Post by: Blast on December 10, 2006, 05:41:19 PM
I think I was the only one to cheer for Amber for having the guts to kill off one of her characters.
Title: Re: 12-7-06 Xander! Nooo!
Post by: Manawolf on December 10, 2006, 05:47:21 PM
I find killing off a character to be overrated, though in comics like Jack, it just means you move onto the next world (whether that's heaven or hell is the character's choice).
Title: Re: 12-7-06 Xander! Nooo!
Post by: superluser on December 10, 2006, 06:20:59 PM
Quote from: Manawolf on December 10, 2006, 05:47:21 PMI find killing off a character to be overrated

I have no problem killing off characters.  Characters die.  But when your character's whole purpose is to die, without becoming a character in its own right, I find that slightly analagous to (ahem) firing the surgeon general.

Plus, the character's death should be about that character, not someone else.

Bah!  I'm sick of being negative.  Send the message before I get even more negative.
Title: Re: 12-7-06 Xander! Nooo!
Post by: Manawolf on December 10, 2006, 06:23:25 PM
I don't mind stock characters.  Let's face it, there is something morbidly humorous about the death of a red shirt.

Kirk: "Coming with me will be Spock, McCoy and Ensign Ricky."

Ricky: "Ah, crap."
Title: Re: 12-7-06 Xander! Nooo!
Post by: e_voyager on December 10, 2006, 07:56:47 PM
i have dealt with this kind of thing myself. indeed start trek was  known for the death of the red shites as they were the foot men. reminds  me of red shite rabbit from 2066
Title: Re: 12-7-06 Xander! Nooo!
Post by: ShiningShadow on December 11, 2006, 12:46:00 PM
I have no problem if Amber kills off Xander. But I like the guy and he started to grow on me. But the decision is in Amber's hands and we don't know at this point if she did killed of Xander or not. That's why there hope I sense he's alive but hurt none for the worst.
Title: Re: 12-7-06 Xander! Nooo!
Post by: MaskedRetriever on December 13, 2006, 02:48:53 AM
Xander was too cute to die!  *sniffle*

I'll miss him!
Title: Re: 12-7-06 Xander! Nooo!
Post by: thetire on December 13, 2006, 03:06:10 PM
aah! my arm! *gasp* I'm gay!

goodbye cruel world! *stab, respawn* waaaaah....
Title: Re: 12-7-06 Xander! Nooo!
Post by: Aridas on December 13, 2006, 03:16:59 PM
Not Xandir.
Title: Re: 12-7-06 Xander! Nooo!
Post by: Kasarn on December 13, 2006, 08:35:05 PM
Quote from: ShiningShadow on December 11, 2006, 12:46:00 PM
I have no problem if Amber kills off Xander. But I like the guy and he started to grow on me. But the decision is in Amber's hands and we don't know at this point if she did killed of Xander or not. That's why there hope I sense he's alive but hurt none for the worst.

Xander'll become the obligatory crippled friend... he'll get a cool eyepatch and walking stick (+2 against annoying children)
Title: Re: 12-7-06 Xander! Nooo!
Post by: MaskedRetriever on December 14, 2006, 02:15:54 AM
Quote from: Kasarn on December 13, 2006, 08:35:05 PM
Xander'll become the obligatory crippled friend... he'll get a cool eyepatch and walking stick (+2 against annoying children)

Har har!  Eyepatch +1 to seduce rolls against Piratephilles.

Not that... I am...

Or that he'd need it...
Title: Re: 12-7-06 Xander! Nooo!
Post by: e_voyager on December 14, 2006, 02:18:11 AM
you are stating to remind me of some ones... oh what that's me my bad.
Title: Re: 12-7-06 Xander! Nooo!
Post by: Jack McSlay on December 14, 2006, 04:29:11 AM
or maybe xander will arise as a demon's undead minion (even tho the undead race itself is relatively recent, there were other more successful experiments such as DP's death knights)
Title: Re: 12-7-06 Xander! Nooo!
Post by: ShiningShadow on December 14, 2006, 07:25:33 AM
I think he will be just hurt that's all. I see a gash somewhere around the arm area close to the shoulder I'm guessing here. I will see the next strip if this confirms my theory if I'm wrong then I'm wrong.
Title: Re: 12-7-06 Xander! Nooo!
Post by: superluser on December 14, 2006, 12:47:12 PM
Quote from: ShiningShadow on December 14, 2006, 07:25:33 AMI think he will be just hurt that's all. I see a gash somewhere around the arm area close to the shoulder I'm guessing here. I will see the next strip if this confirms my theory if I'm wrong then I'm wrong.

A gash somewhere near the shoulder is not ``just hurt.''  That's where the brachial artery is.  I think the only ones that carry more blood are the coronary and carotid arteries.  Cut that, and it's pretty much lights out.

Somebody mentioned this before.

(I think the femoral might be larger, but carries less blood)
Title: Re: 12-7-06 Xander! Nooo!
Post by: llearch n'n'daCorna on December 14, 2006, 07:14:02 PM
Don't the arteries in the legs carry more?

(I ask out of interest, not because I'm disagreeing - I was under the impression that the two biggest users of blood were, in order, the brain, and the legs...)
Title: Re: 12-7-06 Xander! Nooo!
Post by: superluser on December 14, 2006, 09:08:57 PM
Quote from: llearch n'n'daCorna on December 14, 2006, 07:14:02 PMDon't the arteries in the legs carry more?

The flow of the femoral artery is 514 mL/min. while the brachial artery is 648 mL/min.  I'm working on a full (and very boring) write-up with sources.  PM me if you're interested (I'm already going to PM llearch).

Edit: Sorry, a more accurate estimate seems to be 353 mL/min for the femoral, and 55 mL/min for the brachial.  Sources for both available upon PM.
Title: Re: 12-7-06 Xander! Nooo!
Post by: GabrielsThoughts on December 14, 2006, 10:29:03 PM
this is getting stupid, obviously xander Is going to shoot the blood out of his wrist and use it like a weapon as seen in the "star warpped" video game, wherein the handless Luke shoots his blood at headless darth vader in a mortal combat scenario.
Title: Re: 12-7-06 Xander! Nooo!
Post by: ShiningShadow on December 15, 2006, 07:15:00 AM
But you have to wonder if Xander is dead or alive. Okay let's have a Death Pool here's my pick Xander *Alive* any takers? Winner gets a cookie.
Title: Re: 12-7-06 Xander! Nooo!
Post by: MaskedRetriever on December 17, 2006, 09:20:21 PM
Oh he's dead alright.  Spuh-latch.

I wouldn't be -that- surprized if Devin was in for a splatching as well...
Title: Re: 12-7-06 Xander! Nooo!
Post by: Akisohida on December 18, 2006, 08:48:34 PM
Quote from: MaskedRetriever on December 17, 2006, 09:20:21 PM
Oh he's dead alright.  Spuh-latch.

I wouldn't be -that- surprized if Devin was in for a splatching as well...

Then the 'sniper' comes for Abel and Abel goes all 'cubi and the Palandin brings him in for being a cubi, he gets put in jail or something, and Fa'Lina breaks him out?
Title: Re: 12-7-06 Xander! Nooo!
Post by: MaskedRetriever on December 19, 2006, 01:03:03 AM
Possibly.  Or the adventurers get wiped out and it's like totally Dan's mom laying the smack down with authority, sending Abel into a downward spiral of angsty thrashing.

Although honestly getting Abel to SAIA ASAP would make me a very happy coondog 'cause zomgcubies.
Title: Re: 12-7-06 Xander! Nooo!
Post by: ShiningShadow on December 19, 2006, 12:25:09 PM
If Abel did any magic then he gets in trouble. Nah I don't think so if Devin used Ice magic without them noticed him twice so why Abel is hesitating in using some magic to put the smackdown on that creep.
Title: Re: 12-7-06 Xander! Nooo!
Post by: Aridas on December 19, 2006, 05:19:10 PM
Why are you disagreeing with yourself?