I was doing some research when i came across this
Furry subculture (http://www.humantruth.info/furry.html)
i was kinda surprised about some of the things that are in there.
and most of it i didn't even know about, guess ya learn sooner or later.
you should also look at the essay "What is furry" written by "Dr. Pepper"
But enough of this ranting. I'll also take this time while I'm revealing myself to ask for some tips on drawing...I can see it perfectly but i can't draw it, and I'm having trouble with the skeleton framey thingy...
B.F.
Oh, this looks like it will be a magical read :3
QuoteFurry Porn
Ever since Human beings learnt to draw there has been anthropomorphic porn. Every culture in the world has, since then, had its own type of sexual art. So admittedly there is sexual furry art around, from big breasted comic heroes to hardcore pornography. It does have its place but it is a mere aspect, and not the point, of the Furry world.
LIES AND SLANDER.
I kid, I kid.
Interesting read.
An intelligent read, everyone of the subculture should at least read something like this to further the fandom.
Good notes there but I know when not to take it seriously
I had the misfortune of finding the Crush Yiff Destroy site the other day.... :<
*Charles snerks* I've seen articles and essays and things all over the place for furry, against furry, and neutral. All we need to be accepted is for several big-name Hollywood celebrities to openly declare that they're furry and furry is cool. Look how well it worked out for Scientology when they got John Travolta and Tom Cruise.
*Tom goes screaming by* I know more about psychology than you do! Thetans speak to my braAAAin!
*Charles :erk * Yeah... uhm... never mind... :sweatdrop
QuoteIn England there is the Yately Housecon occurring every few months and caters mainly to the art side of furry.
...Dude...Yateley is the town in which i live...
That is so cool! o.o tried lookin' around for more info about it, but i got a feeling it doesn't happen any more. :dface
-gives RJ muffin of teh mental healing-
Yeah, odd stuff out there :/
Quote from: Gareeku on November 07, 2006, 08:54:19 AM
QuoteIn England there is the Yately Housecon occurring every few months and caters mainly to the art side of furry.
...Dude...Yateley is the town in which i live...
That is so cool! o.o tried lookin' around for more info about it, but i got a feeling it doesn't happen any more. :dface
Then Hadouken them until they do. o:
Yus! :D
Lucky bastards. In Sweden, we are so politically correct that we don't have something like furcons or such.
Quote from: Stygian on November 07, 2006, 11:15:31 AM
Lucky bastards. In Sweden, we are so politically correct that we don't have something like furcons or such.
I disagree. Why wouldn't it be politically correct?
I think it's just not big enough for people to notice other furs and joining up for events.
It's odd
I'm actualy having a rather inteligent conversation about the hostility to furries in anouther comics feed and I come here to find a thread on the furry subculture
Quote from: ITOS on November 07, 2006, 11:21:52 AM
I disagree. Why wouldn't it be politically correct?
I think it's just not big enough for people to notice other furs and joining up for events.
Well, you see, to me the term "politically correct" is very far from actually correct. In many situations, it's the exact opposite.
And as for why; people seem to think it's either perverted, childish, too "touchy" or just plain unneccesary.
Quote from: Stygian on November 07, 2006, 12:32:32 PM
And as for why; people seem to think it's either perverted, childish, too "touchy" or just plain unneccesary.
It seems most conflicts and disagreements are due to misinterpretations and/or lack of information. :/
Of course. But stereotypes and images are about as easy to wash away as tar out of parched fur. Or some other things I can think of...
Either way, people do not want to admit their mistakes and failings, because that is embarassing... And then there is the "Jante Law" that complicates things even more.
My personal stance is that "the Furry Fandom" doesn't actually exist. This is mostly to avoid being stereotyped myself...
what caught me after further investigation is that all the sites colapsed at the same time... between 2002-04 all of it has become inactive besides a few art sites and Comics, Namly DMFA. :shifty but at that time i also noticed through more investigating found that Transformational sites started to pop up around 2000-02
such as doc's labs or Kanada's. :| shame they dissapeared, there probably still out there, just leading an AVARAGE-EVERY-DAY-LIFE. i'm still curious as to what caused the decline...
Quote from: FireKatKid on November 07, 2006, 08:57:57 AM
Quote from: Gareeku on November 07, 2006, 08:54:19 AM
QuoteIn England there is the Yately Housecon occurring every few months and caters mainly to the art side of furry.
...Dude...Yateley is the town in which i live...
That is so cool! o.o tried lookin' around for more info about it, but i got a feeling it doesn't happen any more. :dface
Then Hadouken them until they do. o:
or just find alot of furry forums ask if anyone lives near you and see if you can organise a meet up... :ipod
would be nice to meet other people...or not...eather way i ain't ever gonna be able to do that althe way up inAlaska!
:B I blame over-the-top yaoi fangirls.
From my time as Darth Yaoi, I have learned that gay love in manga form is a terrible torture and extortion device. As are fanservice-y pictures of characters drawn without their players' consent.
Quote from: RJ on November 07, 2006, 08:24:19 PM
:B I blame over-the-top yaoi fangirls.
But.... we -like- Nirfy and Panda. :<
well caus i felt like it i've keyed in a meet up browser and set it on UK for Gareeku...
Furries+Furry meets by city/Uk (http://furries.meetup.com/cities/gb/?all=1)
Furries+furry meets (http://furries.meetup.com/cities/) well it really is just alowing you to see how many others are interested in it that "registered" near you.
i guess i'll leave it at that.
Quote from: Stygian on November 07, 2006, 08:52:30 PM
From my time as Darth Yaoi, I have learned that gay love in manga form is a terrible torture and extortion device. As are fanservice-y pictures of characters drawn without their players' consent.
>:3 then let the torture begin.
:veryevil
B.F.
gay love in yaoi is a fairytale, I have yet to fall in love with my archnemesis.
Quote from: King Of Hearts on November 08, 2006, 02:04:13 AM
gay love in yaoi is a fairytale, I have yet to fall in love with my archnemesis.
*glomps you from behind* Does I count?
Quote from: RJ on November 07, 2006, 08:24:19 PM
:B I blame over-the-top yaoi fangirls.
Where do yuri fangirls like me come in? :3
Quote from: Seraline on November 08, 2006, 10:35:22 AM
Quote from: RJ on November 07, 2006, 08:24:19 PM
:B I blame over-the-top yaoi fangirls.
Where do yuri fangirls like me come in? :3
:U
Yuri (http://www.cncgames.com/fmv/fmvset02.jpg)
Quote from: Seraline on November 08, 2006, 10:35:22 AM
Where do yuri fangirls like me come in? :3
Henceforth, you shall be known as Darth... Aryurija. Riiise...
No seriously, that's great for you. Then we have something that we can enjoy in common.
:confused
Yuri fangirls?
Falling in love with arch nemesis?
Yaoi fangirls?
???
I don't get it?
you mean like how the FBI chases me every where sorta thing but with gals shreading cloths instead of shooting lead/darts???
wait...oh no...
*Jumps out window leaving a note on the table*
What ever happened to the topic?
*Bokmarks* Will read later.
This thread kinda makes me thinks of a question to ask...If Anthromorphs (furries) really existed, what would life be like?
This question has been asked too many times to mention, but here's my stance on it:
If anthros had existed throughout the history of humanity, there would most likely be racism, fear of each other (humans fearing anthros and vice versa) maybe war too. Over time, there may be a change, such as moving towards equality and stuff.
If anthros just suddenly happened to pop up around the globe, again, there would be much fear and racism.
Dan and Mab's Human Adventures.
If anthros really existed, I'd shoot them, then eat them after they've been purified by purifying tongues of flames.
Hey, they'd do that to me, and they wouldn't even bother to cook me first.
Quote from: Gareeku on November 09, 2006, 12:19:38 AM
This question has been asked too many times to mention, but here's my stance on it:
If anthros just suddenly happened to pop up around the globe, again, there would be much fear and racism.
You missed the 'First Contact' possibility. That has different dynamics in that if they had the technical know-how to come here, fear and racism wouldn't do any good (I'm ignoring the possibility of a vicious race like the Kzinti since unless we managed some kind of miracle a'la
The Greks Bring Gifts by Murray Leinster we wouldn't be able to defeat them anyway).
Given the number of furries I often wondered if it would be like the James Tiptree Jr. story
And I Awoke and Found Me Here on the Cold Hill's Side. If you've read the story it's probably not something you're likely to forget.
Not for younger eyes, either.If you haven't read it, a plot summary
can be found here (http://www.thealienonline.net/columns/rcsf_tiptree_apr03.asp?tid=7&scid=55&iid=1591) but don't come crying to me >:3
Hmm. I could swear I've read that somewhere.
Most interesting commentary. Thanks for linking it...
Quote from: Gareeku on November 09, 2006, 12:19:38 AM
If anthros just suddenly happened to pop up around the globe, again, there would be much fear and racism.
That's the theory I use for my storylines. Then again, I'm pretty much just looking for an excuse for my character to go to war and blow things up, so I don't know how accurate that could be.
*chuckles* If furries did show up, that'd have to mean they were aliens. Genetics is no where close to creating such a complex genetic chimera that would be viable. And to get here in any reasonable amount of time, they'd have to have faster-than-light (FTL) travel. Any species capable of FTL travel is not a species you want to upset. The amount of energy they would have at their disposal would be beyond anything we could even hope to counter.
*remembers the Simpsons episode with Homer on the space station... and the escaped ant colony... then Kent Brokman's sign* Hail Ants!
:grin
If furries were real, they would make fabrics in my sweat shop. When one of them dies from exhaustion, their pelts would be harvested to make even more shirts.
Quote from: DigitalMan on November 09, 2006, 03:23:37 PM
Quote from: Gareeku on November 09, 2006, 12:19:38 AM
If anthros just suddenly happened to pop up around the globe, again, there would be much fear and racism.
That's the theory I use for my storylines. Then again, I'm pretty much just looking for an excuse for my character to go to war and blow things up, so I don't know how accurate that could be.
*ahem*
Blacktapestries (http://blacktapestries.comicgen.com/)
that concept has already been Comicitized
you may have to read from the start to get a picture of whats going on, or just a few months in the past. (MA)
its a war between the two Human and Kateif (furry) there is an elite group of mages calling themselves the order with the ability to use the ART...
in short main charecter trys to kill chief of a Kateif town. plan goes wrong turns into a Kateif. kills him becomes human again. he comes back alive. curses her and she swaps between forms against her will, and is now hunted by the order who are willing to do anything to kill her.
If a war was started between Humans and Furries, Count me as a defector...because I'd join the other side due to my tiring of racists behavior of humans (I figured the humans started the war)...and when I get into a battle and someone from the human side asks"why did you betray us?", I'll reply "Betray you?! HA! You betrayed yourselves to being a bunch of racist b*****ds!"
Quote from: KarlOmega1 on November 10, 2006, 02:09:37 PM
If a war was started between Humans and Furries, Count me as a defector...because I'd join the other side due to my tiring of racists behavior of humans (I figured the humans started the war)...and when I get into a battle and someone from the human side asks"why did you betray us?", I'll reply "Betray you?! HA! You betrayed yourselves to being a bunch of racist b*****ds!"
Isn't that racist?
*faints due to zina pointing to self-irony*
Duuuuude, you got seerrrved. *snaps fingers*
Oh schnap! :O
Quote from: Gareeku on November 10, 2006, 02:33:16 PM
Duuuuude, you got seerrrved. *snaps fingers*
Yes, I know...sometimes I get so fanatical on subjects that I end up being the thing that I become disgusted with...
Why is it always that people assume any other sentient species would be so superior to humanity? Humanity has its issues, but I'd argue that as long as the fundamental laws of physics are constant, another race of beings would behave much the same way we do. People also like to look at the animal world and draw conclusions about humans based on their typically horribly flawed observations. Here again we see more misguided idealism. The natural world, sans humans, is an incredibly violent and dangerous place. If anything humanity is the least violent species on the planet, so much so that we are shocked by it when it occurs.
So here is the thing. Imagine that we are placed on a planet with 2 alien races at a similar stage in evolution and civilization. One race is made up of bipedal humanoids with many features of canines, and the other is made up of bipedal humanoids resembling felines. For whatever reasons, on their planets it was not primate-like creatures that evolved the farthest, but rather canines and felines respectively. You really think that they would be superior to us? My guess is that just like us, they would have in their midst bigots. You know maybe on their home planet the brown furred doggy people had the most advanced civilization, and at one point in time enslaved some of the white furred doggy people. And at certain points in time, the kitty people with tufts on their ears warred with the kitty people sans tufts. Why wouldn't such a thing happen? Purely from a scientific standpoint, ignoring theology for the time being, there is very little basis to say that they'd be totally free of violence, prejudice, injustice, and all the other not so fun things that we humans have here on earth.
And this is all intimately related to the concept of anthropomorphism as a whole. Strictly speaking, anthropomorphism is applying human attributes to things that are fundamentally not human. It is a concept as old as human civilization. But it is fantasy. We are humans, things that aren't humans are, well, not humans. When you cherry pick the pieces of humanity that you apply you risk creating something that is simply never going to be real. Of course, there is nothing wrong with some fantasy, but some people take it too far. I think KarlOmega is at least toeing the line that marks that boundary with his previous post. And quite frankly, that is one of my biggest objections relating to furry subculture. Wolves, lions, tigers, and foxes are live far more violent lives than we do. You are far better off being a human than you are being an animal, so stop talking about humanity in such a negative light. If anything, file a complaint with your diety of choice for creating such a harsh reality.
Quote from: Evil.Iguana on November 10, 2006, 10:33:55 PM
You really think that they would be superior to us? My guess is that just like us, they would have in their midst bigots. You know maybe on their home planet the brown furred doggy people had the most advanced civilization, and at one point in time enslaved some of the white furred doggy people.
Well that's the thing, isn't it? To the best of my knowledge animals
don't usually do that. Okay, if you have an albino crow, they will usually be killed by the others. But consider melanism. You have black leopards, jaguars and so on. When I first learned that it was a fur condition rather than a species, my initial reaction was "why aren't they killed at birth?" when they look so different to the parents? Apparently the actual answer is that it's because they smell right.
There's a collie that lives somewhere in my street. Whether he's a stray or owned but being left to his own devices during the day, I'm not sure. But he keeps trying to get at the labrador-like mutt down the road. In a friendly way, I might add.
We aren't talking different ear-tufts, we're talking a whole different coat, different colours, different skull shape. But they're friends (or lovers.. I'm not sure). It might be that this is where people are getting the idea from.
Note that in many cases of anthro fiction there are prejudices between wholly different species, felines vs canids, for example - but even that doesn't entirely wash. We've all seen photos of cats and dogs that get on well.
Now maybe your argument is that they would
develop irrational prejudice as a necessary part of civilisation. I'm not so sure - one possibility is that we do this because humanity is descended from a relatively small gene pool so apart from local variations we are more similar to each other than most animals are, and therefore we notice differences more than a wider pool would allow (lots of variation in fur colour even within the wolf pack and so forth).
Now Larry Niven did exactly what you're suggesting in his short story
A wolf in my time-machine where Sven ends up in a world where people are descended from wolves. In that one they have a cold war between Europe and north America because they are different species.
QuoteAnd this is all intimately related to the concept of anthropomorphism as a whole. Strictly speaking, anthropomorphism is applying human attributes to things that are fundamentally not human.
Apes aren't human either. I don't really find them interesting personally, but I suspect you'll find they are violent in the wild. The question is whether wolf or feline creatures that somehow evolved into humanoid form would retain their violent past.
Personally I suspect that if they existed they would not eat raw meat very much. Charles is probably best to answer this but I've heard is said that there is a trade-off between intelligence and toxin-resistance, in that the optimisations necessary to achieve human intelligence in a brain make it more fragile - so it's quite likely that they would cook their meat. How they get it is a different question.
Anyway, this is a passage from chapter 11 of my 'Chronicles of Jakob Pettersohn' series. It's part of my attempt to explain the animal-human dichotomy in Furrae.
I am a wolf, a predator. Millions of years of evolution have fine-tuned my senses and hunting instincts. Only comparatively recently has it become necessary to hide these urges so that we can partake in society with what would once have been prey races, but they aren't gone. They're still there, deep down, under the surface. One crossbow bolt through the heart of a true friend and they all came flooding back.Partly it's because they've achieved a technological civilisation. They still have issues but it's basically boiled down to problems between Beings and Creatures. Unless you have one single race that totally wipes out the others or only one species that becomes sentient on that planet, I don't see any way that a truly cosmopolitan world like DMFA, Kevin & Kell or the Napping Cat's Dream where
all species have become sentient could attain a star-going civilisation without some kind of checks and balances against rampant prejudice.
In a nutshell, if they reach a point where they can visit us, they either evolved alone or managed to curb their racial problems. (Or a small group of them bought the technology off the Outsiders >:3)
Ultimately, I think a desire for anthromorphics who have a better civilisation than ours is based on a longing for perfection - creatures free of what we consider to be flaws in both the human and animal condition.
PersonallyI''d prefer if that anthros did exist, is that they evolved alongside humans easing tensions between them as sentient species.
I'm going to try and do this without quoting everyone, let's see how this goes...
In reguard to humans and furries going to war; Who's to say the furries wouldn't have started it? Animals and humans can each be just as territorial against members of thier own species, let alone competing species.
Reguarding reasons furries wouldn't develop biggotry against other dissimilar members of the same species. It's entirely possible that other members of the same species that do not share the same parents will not smell right. Also, humans are the only creature on the planet to develope the level of rational thought that we have. (irrational thought, most often), and it's this thought from which biggotry stems. Human children of various races don't understand what race is or show any particular biggotry until they learn it as a behavior.
To a lesser extent than humans, various apes exhibit the same characteristics.(especially the chimpanzee) Even amongst these more simple primates, behaviors like biggitry will develop, though it's usually directed against specific individuals that show abberant behavior, rather than entire groups. Considering the size of packs, and the lack of communication between them, I would say it's only a matter of lack of scale that keeps us from seeing examples of biggotry in the lower primates.
<rewind>
I remember stumbling on the site OP links to, I thought it was a very interesting read. A lot of different groups have been formed and come under fire fro what is considered main stream, and I'm glad that some people are taking the time and effort to look at more than one facet of our "fandom" (more like an arch-fandom, really...)
Quote from: KarlOmega1 on November 10, 2006, 02:09:37 PM
If a war was started between Humans and Furries, Count me as a defector...because I'd join the other side due to my tiring of racists behavior of humans (I figured the humans started the war)...and when I get into a battle and someone from the human side asks"why did you betray us?", I'll reply "Betray you?! HA! You betrayed yourselves to being a bunch of racist b*****ds!"
At this rate someone's going to steal my idea for a comic before I get around to making it myself :shifty
Though do keep in mind that where racism pops up, you're likely to have the "Black Panther" types (no pun intended) that cause a problem as well. Human supremesism would be countered by anthro supremasism. Of course, both crumble before shotgun supremesism, sharp object supremesism, and boot supremesism.
Furry Fandom is great. Just look at what it did for Timothy Treadwell. :spidey
Also, if furries were real, it would take some of the heat off the Blacks and Mexicans.
"Those furries just beat up that innocent gangbanger!"
Well, any race that managed FTL travel, as I've said, would not bother with conquest because of the realistic requirements to develop that level of techology. It's not anything like science fiction. It involves more energy than most people can even fathom. To control such a vast amount of energy and not use it to utterly destroy yourself in war would require a very rational and peaceful society. Plus, once you have so much power at your disposal, conquest becomes completely pointless. You can literally build your own planets with only a fraction of the energy it takes to propel a ship (or foold space) to achieve the equivalent of several times the speed of light.
Now, one can say that the reason we have seen no aliens is that FTL is impossible, but there is another reasonable possibbility as well: an alien society with the equivalent of the Prime Directive, which is something any highly logical society would have to conceive of to prevent a violent and war-like race from discovering the means to destory whole worlds (which is what FLT gives someone the ability to do if used as a weapon... whink of what a mile-wide asteroid would do to Earth if it hit us at 186,000 mps.) Any race with that leve of technology would also be able to hear our radio signals long before they came in range of our telescopes ability to reasonably detect them (we still don't even detect many asteroids less than half a mile wide before they've already passed the planet).
Imagine you're an alien race that has conceived of the Prime Directive or an equivalent and you come within 60 light years of Earth (which is about where our early radio signals would be by now) and the first thing you hear is Adolf Hitler. Now, you can't translate it as first, but as you get closer, you get more and more signals, then visual data on carrier waves that allow you to put objects and actions to the words. Perhaps around 55 light years away, you get televised images of the atom bomb detonations. Now you know this world has used highly devastating weapons. You move closer, still far beyond what we can detect, and eventually get enough language information to translate the various languages of humanity. You see our endless conflicts, televised images of atrocities, religious fanatics declaring their hatred for anything that opposes them, the willingness to kill... and still the aliens would be light years away.
They'd have enough information about us before they reach the distance of Proxima Centauri... they'd turn around and warn every advanced race to avoid us like the plague. Even if they also know about the peaceful aspects of our species, the chance that a radical fundamentalist element could gain their technology and use it as a weapon would be far too great and horrible a risk to take. Even a single instance, one FTL ship crashing into a peaceful planet, would be too much for them to allow.
I have always thought that our first contact will be almost identical to what was described in "The Day the Earth Stood Still". They will face the hard choice of preserving themselves if ever our technology allows us to reach out and touch the stars. Our first contact is likely to be a warning "Do not bring your hatred to us." Technological advancement requires a certain level of civilization to achieve. Steam power never developed beyond the basics in Rome because the huge number of slaves meant there was no reason to make machines to do work. If you look at the works of Heron of Alexandria, all the components required for very complicated steam engines were already invented, primitive mechanical computational systems existed using ropes and pegs. They had water wheels to grind grain and what appears to be a basic grasp of gravitational principles. (I note that the fire of the Library of Alexandria was a devastating blow, so much knowledge was lost and had to be rediscovered) Simply put, the incentive to invent further simply wasn't there. Too few were educated enough and there was too much secrecy in the exchange of information.
The point of all this is, if our social order was what was needed to allow ideas for technology to sprout and flourish, what society is needed to go even beyond? These futuristic technologies will come at a cost almost beyond reckoning, and there will be countless failures before it is perfected, if it possible to perfect such things. Greed, money, selfishness, fear... all those must be eliminated to allow the kind of input needed. A whole civilization must work as one to accomplish the feats of engineering a space-faring society.
Would a society that has sacrificed so much be willing to endanger it all by contacting us, a species that still speaks openly about annihilating whole populations of our own kind out of sheer irrational hatred? No alien race with even a trace of logic would take such a risk. There would be no reason for it, other than if they felt so inclined to attempt to keep us from exterminating all life on our planet.
Vast amounts of power require a peaceful and rational society? Perhaps... I would say, however, technology has less to do with peace and rationality than it has to do with need. Weapons technology increases when war occurs. When you need to get a large group of people across a large distance quickly and realatively cheaply, one learns to build roads. When you need something better than bronze to build with, you figure out how to smelt iron. I simplify, but my point is made. Peace and rationality have very little to do with technological advancement, even on such a scale as faster than light technology. Indeed, technology has very little to do with the relative morality of any society.
Although, were I alien, I would run far, far away from man...
Will mankind will ever be peaceful, and rational? Take a hard look at history, and see what man can do. We are not basically good creatures, good sirs. We are very basically evil ones - our history is a neverending symphony of infamy, deceit, duplicity, tyranny, and subterfuge. Genocide, forced starvation, slave labor, malicious greed: these are not new concepts, nor are they limited to our more 'primitive' history. Man has shown his colors time, and time again.
Quote from: Cogidubnus on November 12, 2006, 04:01:57 PM
our history is a neverending symphony of infamy, deceit, duplicity, tyranny, and subterfuge. Genocide, forced starvation, slave labor, malicious greed: these are not new concepts, nor are they limited to our more 'primitive' history.
*Watches tv only to realize he's watching Chapter Black video tape (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chapter_Black_Saga).*
Quotethe Chapter Black video tape, which documented the worst cruelty of the human race.
As for furry subculture
Quote
18. In fact, social conventions seem to go down like dominos once one gets started. That may be why so many (most?) furries are bi.
19. Let us now pause while the straight and monogamous folks come out from wherever they just dived into for cover.
and here I thought it was mostly straight, gay, and bi rather then mostly bi.
for the if furries existed thing...i would go into what posibilities there isand give a few other explanations so its all pulled together, but i'm not because i would be grinded by you and the fact that one involves a little more complicated explanation and a bit of off subject content. and over all it would be too long thus defeating the entire concept of trying to explain because you would all be sleeping by the time i finish...
so moving on,
to tell you the truth i didn't think it was wide spread the furry culture, but i guess i was "slamed in the back of the head with a table chair" wrong.
but a few of the traits like friends adopted as siblings, does happen quite often...
i have 2 bro's back in Aussie. and i'm alone up here in Alaska.
As long as two free minds exist there will always be conflict, no matter where, who, what, when or why!
I don't really have any of the common traits that are associated with furs. I mean, I'm 30 and an virgin.
*Bill Gates, watcher of all the Internet, LOL!* I'm an uber-nerd and even I got some!
*Charles* :<
Quote from: Cogidubnus on November 12, 2006, 04:01:57 PM
Vast amounts of power require a peaceful and rational society? Perhaps... I would say, however, technology has less to do with peace and rationality than it has to do with need. Weapons technology increases when war occurs. When you need to get a large group of people across a large distance quickly and realatively cheaply, one learns to build roads. When you need something better than bronze to build with, you figure out how to smelt iron. I simplify, but my point is made. Peace and rationality have very little to do with technological advancement, even on such a scale as faster than light technology. Indeed, technology has very little to do with the relative morality of any society.
My thoughts exactly. If FTL travel is even remotely related to making something go boom, we will discover it. Assuming, of course, that nuclear warfare doesn't end us all. And out there somewhere is probably another warlike race that discovered FTL travel by making something go boom. And that warlike race has just as much power as the pacifist race, or maybe more, developed into weaponry. Then the pacifist race must take up arms or be destroyed, etcetera. If the most advanced civilizations were always the most peaceful, the world would be a much happier place. But sadly, many or even most of our technological achievements in the past 100 years have been brought on by the need to destroy faster, better, and bigger.
Quote from: Alondro on November 13, 2006, 12:18:12 AM
I don't really have any of the common traits that are associated with furs. I mean, I'm 30 and an virgin.
*Bill Gates, watcher of all the Internet, LOL!* I'm an uber-nerd and even I got some!
*Charles* :<
I feel your pain. (Bloody stupid expression, but there you go...) I'm 37...
And as for Bill Gates, well, having umpteen zillion dollars to your name probably helps somewhat...
BG: I'm an uber-nerd...
Women: Hmmph.
BG: ... with lots and lots and lots of money.
Women: Oooohh - isn't he sexy!!!
Ah l'Amour.
So much for women being intimate and sensitive. Men can do it just for fun - women have to screw upwards or they don't, it seems.
But is being a "fur" something that really has that much to do with sexuality, or sexual orientation? Many correlate it with perversion, homosexuality, oversexuality, etc... But I don't think that I kan see any kind of trend like that, knowing the people within the culture that I do.
Then again, with things like diaperfurs, herms and Doug Winger in the swing, maybe people's image isn't that unjustified...
Oh, and as long as you're a virgin more of choice than failure, it's nothing to be ashamed of. Plus, if sex is not something that's special or intimate, it's not enjoyable. Take it from a guy who lost his virginity at 14 and is now kinda scarred. I haven't had a serious relationship for more than a year...
Unfortunately, in my case it ain't by choice... more from a lack of choice... if you take my meaning...
Which is why it annoys the hell out of me when I hear these people who go on about being virgin by choice, as though they can't step out of their front door without people trying to steal their virginity from them... [/rant]
Quote from: Stygian on November 13, 2006, 08:13:58 AM
I haven't had a serious relationship for more than a year...
.... and a year is such a long time, isn't it?
Pfft. Young'uns these days. Get orf my lawn! *waves zimmerframe*
[WARNING: rant ahead. Ignore as needed]
Quote from: Stygian on November 13, 2006, 08:13:58 AM
I haven't had a serious relationship for more than a year...
* joins the collective "I-have-no-relationship-because-I-am-a-loser-pity-party, and raises hand *
I have never had a relationship, because I am a nerd.
Around here, people hate nerds. All that's missing is an active anti-nerd campaign. It's been grating on my already shaky self-esteem for about as long as I can remember, and about now, self-esteem == dead-thing-that-resembles-something-that-has-been-ground-into-the-tarmac-by-25-years-of-heavy-traffic.
Then again, seeing the problems my friends have in their relationships (all of them non-nerds, girlfriends tend to want to do EVERYTHING toghether, AL THE FRIGGIN TIME), I'm not sure I even want a relationship.
Add to that my slight xenophobia, the prevailing attitude towards everything nerdy, my disastrous interpersonal skills, I don't think I need to fear ever getting close to anyone, ever.
</rant>
I thought nerds were cool these days.
Then again there are the people who suggest the reason why we haven't entered into romantic relationships is because we're too picky. So I guess it is by choice, then, since they're the relationship experts.
I just ruined a thoughtful discussion on the nature of humanity for a non-sequitur comment. Typical.
Hee, to be honest, my virginity is by choice. I'm one of those true weirdos that still holds to monogamy. Add that to the fact that I'm too poor to live on my own, plus the fact that I spend so much time in the lab that I could claim it as my primary residence, and it just turns out that having a relationship would be rather pointless.
And furry is not all about sex!
It's all about yiff. :3
Quote from: Destina Faroda on November 13, 2006, 09:49:34 AM
I thought nerds were cool these days.
Not here, unless said 'nerd' is a metrosexual with loads of money, good looks, has a ferrari / porche , a d*** out to there, has a career to rival Bill Gates, has more muscles then Ahnold at his peak, does all the housework, and does not bother with star wars/ star trek/ stargate/ star anything/ computers, and does not wair glasses. Women of this land are demanding creatures. :[
Quote from: Vidar on November 13, 2006, 10:12:33 AM
Quote from: Destina Faroda on November 13, 2006, 09:49:34 AM
I thought nerds were cool these days.
Not here, unless said 'nerd' is a metrosexual with loads of money, good looks, has a ferrari / porche , a d*** out to there, has a career to rival Bill Gates, has more muscles then Ahnold at his peak, does all the housework, and does not bother with star wars/ star trek/ stargate/ star anything/ computers, and does not wair glasses. Women of this land are demanding creatures. :[
Come here then. You shall be loved and appreciated. *hugs* And we have nerd chicks, like me! :3
Though you will have to be prepared though. We tend to be ready to beat people off with sticks...including ancient college professors.*cringes* :U
Quote from: Seraline on November 13, 2006, 10:55:03 AM
Though you will have to be prepared though. We tend to be ready to beat people off with sticks...including ancient college professors.*cringes* :U
... Masochism is a big thing around there, then?
*hides*
Quote from: llearch n'n'daCorna on November 13, 2006, 10:57:04 AM
... Masochism is a big thing around there, then?
*hides*
Nah.
But whips
are fun. :3
Quote from: Seraline on November 13, 2006, 10:59:03 AM
Quote from: llearch n'n'daCorna on November 13, 2006, 10:57:04 AM
... Masochism is a big thing around there, then?
*hides*
Nah.
But whips are fun. :3
True that, but it's a bit too kinky. Use leather belts instead. *rubs back*
On another note, I haven't even
wanted to get laid in almost a year. I feel empty. It's horrible.
And nerd chicks seem to prefer the nerd or bishounen guys. And I don't go in those groups. Well, I used to be bishounen, but no more. Unless you count the haircut.
Quote from: Stygian on November 13, 2006, 11:16:50 AM
Quote from: Seraline on November 13, 2006, 10:59:03 AM
Quote from: llearch n'n'daCorna on November 13, 2006, 10:57:04 AM
... Masochism is a big thing around there, then?
*hides*
Nah.
But whips are fun. :3
True that, but it's a bit too kinky. Use leather belts instead. *rubs back*
On another note, I haven't even wanted to get laid in almost a year. I feel empty. It's horrible.
And nerd chicks seem to prefer the nerd or bishounen guys. And I don't go in those groups. Well, I used to be bishounen, but no more. Unless you count the haircut.
True. As for preference...well, I don't tend to judge by appearance or social group. I'll love on anyone with a cool personality. :3
And hell, I myself don't just fit into the nerd category. I've been gladly accepted into the goth, metal, and punk social groups because of my fashion sense and/or musical tastes, and I don't mind. Then again, labels bore me because one label can't apply to everything that makes me who I am. I need a collection. :mowmeep
And while I'm at it, I'll chime in on the whole sexual aspect of the fandom. I don't mind it, but it isn't at the core of why I'm a furry. I'm a furry for spiritual reasons. I have a strong personal connection to the white tiger as it is represented as a totem animal, and it has wings because of both of my connections with the snowy owl and the red-tailed hawk. I've noticed that other "spiritual furries" are kind of rare, and it makes me wonder how many others I will meet at things such as the Furry Spirit panel track at MFF. Most of the ones I do know are also in House of Netjer with me.
Well be glad I dont drag 2 into this... Yes 2 the ranting Gryphon...Old friend of me and all people out there
Am I the only one who goes on religious symbolism and classic literature here?
Yes.
Man, that's just mean.
I have no idea what's going on in here. Relationships? What's that? :3
Quote from: Snazzy Hazzy on November 13, 2006, 02:05:41 PM
Relationships? What's that? :3
A weakness. Now go get one so I can exploit it. >:3
Quote from: Seraline on November 13, 2006, 11:47:20 AM
And while I'm at it, I'll chime in on the whole sexual aspect of the fandom. I don't mind it, but it isn't at the core of why I'm a furry. I'm a furry for spiritual reasons. I have a strong personal connection to the white tiger as it is represented as a totem animal, and it has wings because of both of my connections with the snowy owl and the red-tailed hawk. I've noticed that other "spiritual furries" are kind of rare, and it makes me wonder how many others I will meet at things such as the Furry Spirit panel track at MFF. Most of the ones I do know are also in House of Netjer with me.
For the spiritual furry...you can add me to the list (http://209.85.12.232/html/emoticons/laugh.gif)
Fox cause i keep to myself in the background until i feel comfurtable with those around me.
i would have wings to rep. my travels of the world, the future travels ahead and my like of flying.
I'm 16 & Ive seen Australia, Most of America and parts of Europe.
i probably would be nerd but i seem to fit with most social groups.
heres where i agree with Seraline i don't judge people by the social group they are with. but by their personality.
[show talk rant} but this how ever, does not apply to all groups. as you see here these guys are exactly what they appear to be. Jockstraps. and watch as they pick on this little child.
yes horrifying wasn't it. now look over here to this group of girls. now Cindy here is going to try to start a conversation. "do i have too"[/moan].*turns around* yes no go!*turns backaround to face camera* now observe the mouth on the one in the pink skirt. ah yes she should start now. you little **** you think you can **** with usoh dear! get the **** away from us you ***** Well that was not nice. they've sent Cindy home in tears. lets hope our Cindy is satisfied with our method of making her feel better. *[background] group of men in suits approaching girls*
And this concludes this episode of SOCIAL GROUPS
Three words: extreme plastic surgery. That's where I figure furries will come from. But also, I seriously believe that the Egyptian gods and angels were inspired by ancient Anthro races who are now hiding underwater or in the rainforests. And humans have been obsessed with them for aeons. Heck, we even have furry cave paintings. They're just either hiding or in disguise. And with the current cultural environment, they'll know better than to show themselves for a long time to come. They'd be targeted by political and religious leaders who'll use their appearance to claim that they are demons, and who will use this as a rallying point to gain power. But they may show up someday, and I'll be right there to help defend them.
o__o I'm just lost on where this thread has been going...
Oh, i'd say it's right about here:
:tohell
I wanted to reply to this earlier, but I was at work.
I would have to put myself in teh catagory of those who are a virgin through lack of a chance to lose the status. However, I would like to qualify that with the fact that I would more than likely still be one given the chance to stop being one.
Than again, maybe not.
Okay, some fast fire junk:
To say that any alien race is "furry" would actually qualify as a racist sentiment. Let's look at it this way; some dude from another planet comes to Earth and thinks we look like the equivalent of apes that are on his planet, and so he calls us "Furry" in association to the crap tossers that he is familiar with. Might as well have us humans call the female dog-like aliens "Bitches." Hardly a good way to start a conversation.
In other words, "Space Furries" could never happen, since those "Furries" would simply be another humanoid race, and NOT something that is in between human and animal. Any theories about space travel can be thrown out now for lacking purpose.
Subject Two- A furry is an human/animal mix, but it is also the people who are fans or worshipers of such creatures, or also just people who feel they have a strong connection to animals. Is that all correct? This confuses me because of how broad it sounds.
And Three- Surgery sounds about right. Of course, surgery is surgery, so potentially killing yourself to install a square of fur on your back like it's sod does sound a bit too far for most people. Go for a working tail, and suddenly you have someone poking around somewhere in the small of your back in a place between "I'm a tiger" and "My legs and penis don't work."
Quote from: The Warlike on November 13, 2006, 11:18:46 PM
In other words, "Space Furries" could never happen, since those "Furries" would simply be another humanoid race, and NOT something that is in between human and animal. Any theories about space travel can be thrown out now for lacking purpose.
I think that you may be using too fine a definition of 'furry'.
I may be doing this myself of course as there doesn't seem to be a concrete definition.
I have been thinking along the following lines:
* Anthro/Anthropomorph - creature that mixes human and animal attributes. Personally I'd include extraterrestrials as well, e.g. the Kzinti, the Tharils in Dr. Who - Warrior's Gate and so on, as well as genetically-engineered lifeforms and of course those like in DMFA or other strips where the origin is obscure.
* Furry/Fur - as above, when used as an adverb pertaining to a fictional creature. E.g. 'a furry wolf' or 'a wolf fur' denotes an anthropomorphic wolf-creature.
* Furry fan - someone who is somewhat into anthromorphic fiction, comics and so forth, but not much further.
* Furry/Furries - when used to describe real people, someone who is
very into the whole anthromorphic thing. Fursuiters for example, or people who half-believe they
are a wolf.
I don't believe for a moment that everyone has to fit exactly in 'furry fan' or 'furry' - I've long ago realised that things are shades of grey rather than black or white. This is just my understanding of how the term 'Furries' is commonly used, and I'd guess that 'furry fan' is a reaction from people who are afraid of being pegged as freaks because they happen to read DMFA or Kevin & Kell :P
I get pegged as a freak anyway. Or pegged at, if someone has something to hand.
Having said that, K&K is by far a lesser perversion than, say, some of the other webcomics out there. Better Days, for example. Or Alien Loves Predator. or Shortpacked, or El Goonish Shive, or Clan of the Cats, even.
Let's not even bring Psiotechniqa or Jack into it. :-) And Somethingpositive isn't even furry, but is worse in content than most out there. Art tends to better, though.
Erm. Yeah. I'll stop there, without mentioning Red Meat, Marilith, Striptease, or Suicide for Hire. :-)
I actually like Suicide for Hire. Well, liked it. And don't rack down on El Goonish Shive - it might be weird beyond comprehension, but at least Dan is more cute in his strangeness than he is perverse.
As for the others, I haven't read them. I know they are all probably in a desperate need of storyline, anyhow.
Mostly, no. I avoided the ones that have no storyline, or little storyline, or whatever. I tend not to read those, since the authors can't be bothered writing a decent story...
I, personally, enjoy all of those, to greater or lesser degree. I'm jsut saying, well, El Goonish Shive, to the uninitiated, is likely to bring screams of "pervert!"
... accurate screams, mostly. :-)
Yes. But at least he's a cute pervert.
Well, granted.
Dear lord. I read El Goonish Shive when I'm TIRED of reading perverted comics. It's so tame my libido actually starts to snore when I check out what ever 'in comic two hour event that takes a few years to finish' story that he is working on. Hey, at least he FINALLY finished that damn party, so what it's been like a week in comic since the story started?
I read comics that would kill nuns just by being on screen in the same room as them.
Ironicly I didn't come to the fandom just for la pr0nz, I just kinda showed up one day.
Anyone who is part of the fandom, or at least reasonably open minded isn't going to bat an eye at EGS. It's tame, it's friendly, it's comfortable, it's slow, and it's well-drawn and well-written.
If you're not open minded, though... "Oh, gawd! There are gay people in this! There are lesbeens! There are animals having sex with people! How perverted! Get the children indoors!" etc etc...
That was my point, how it could be seen by someone who wasn't expecting it, rather than as you and I see it. :-)
.. lest anyone think I might be saying otherwise...
Quote from: llearch n'n'daCorna on November 14, 2006, 02:32:02 PM
Anyone who is part of the fandom, or at least reasonably open minded isn't going to bat an eye at EGS. It's tame, it's friendly, it's comfortable, it's slow, and it's well-drawn and well-written.
If you're not open minded, though... "Oh, gawd! There are gay people in this! There are lesbeens! There are animals having sex with people! How perverted! Get the children indoors!" etc etc...
That was my point, how it could be seen by someone who wasn't expecting it, rather than as you and I see it. :-)
.. lest anyone think I might be saying otherwise...
You should always expect someone to. Especially here.
Besides, the only people who would actually see things that way are horribly narrow-minded.
Quote from: Stygian on November 14, 2006, 03:13:24 PM
Quote from: llearch n'n'daCorna on November 14, 2006, 02:32:02 PM
Anyone who is part of the fandom, or at least reasonably open minded isn't going to bat an eye at EGS. It's tame, it's friendly, it's comfortable, it's slow, and it's well-drawn and well-written.
If you're not open minded, though... "Oh, gawd! There are gay people in this! There are lesbeens! There are animals having sex with people! How perverted! Get the children indoors!" etc etc...
That was my point, how it could be seen by someone who wasn't expecting it, rather than as you and I see it. :-)
.. lest anyone think I might be saying otherwise...
You should always expect someone to. Especially here.
Besides, the only people who would actually see things that way are horribly narrow-minded.
tell me about it!
*Charles is utterly shocked and appalled!* There are gay people in furry! I never would have suspected it! :U
*secretly hides his vast piles of furry pr0n...* :shifty
Gay people? On the internet? :erk
"Gay"? What is this "Gay" you speak of?
Quote from: llearch n'n'daCorna on November 14, 2006, 02:32:02 PM
Anyone who is part of the fandom, or at least reasonably open minded isn't going to bat an eye at EGS. It's tame, it's friendly, it's comfortable, it's slow, and it's well-drawn and well-written.
If you're not open minded, though... "Oh, gawd! There are gay people in this! There are lesbeens! There are animals having sex with people! How perverted! Get the children indoors!" etc etc...
That was my point, how it could be seen by someone who wasn't expecting it, rather than as you and I see it. :-)
.. lest anyone think I might be saying otherwise...
There's sex in EGS? have I been reading the same comic you have?
(tasteful nekkidness, yes; intimate situations, yes; body swapping, yes; t3h sexxorz, not that I recall)
I think part of it is that the furry fandom, being largely internet based, allows for and encourages people to be a lot more open than they might otherwise be. This opens the possibilities for furs to admit to things that people of all walks of life do or like, but would not nessesarily admit to under normal circumstances.
Gay? I thought I was a homo....:P
Quote from: Tapewolf on November 14, 2006, 06:34:56 AM
Quote from: The Warlike on November 13, 2006, 11:18:46 PM
In other words, "Space Furries" could never happen, since those "Furries" would simply be another humanoid race, and NOT something that is in between human and animal. Any theories about space travel can be thrown out now for lacking purpose.
I think that you may be using too fine a definition of 'furry'.
I may be doing this myself of course as there doesn't seem to be a concrete definition.
I have been thinking along the following lines:
* Anthro/Anthropomorph - creature that mixes human and animal attributes. Personally I'd include extraterrestrials as well, e.g. the Kzinti, the Tharils in Dr. Who - Warrior's Gate and so on, as well as genetically-engineered lifeforms and of course those like in DMFA or other strips where the origin is obscure.
* Furry/Fur - as above, when used as an adverb pertaining to a fictional creature. E.g. 'a furry wolf' or 'a wolf fur' denotes an anthropomorphic wolf-creature.
* Furry fan - someone who is somewhat into anthromorphic fiction, comics and so forth, but not much further.
* Furry/Furries - when used to describe real people, someone who is very into the whole anthromorphic thing. Fursuiters for example, or people who half-believe they are a wolf.
I don't believe for a moment that everyone has to fit exactly in 'furry fan' or 'furry' - I've long ago realised that things are shades of grey rather than black or white. This is just my understanding of how the term 'Furries' is commonly used, and I'd guess that 'furry fan' is a reaction from people who are afraid of being pegged as freaks because they happen to read DMFA or Kevin & Kell :P
I was just saying how "space furries" don't exist. How I do or don't define furries has nothing to do that portion of my post.
Back to bullet point two- Anthropomorph and anthropomorphic are humanized things. The animal aspect is not part of its definition. I suppose if you did say "anthropomorphic animals" that would be the more accurate term when relating to things that are "furry." Anyway, anything that can talk, walk, or act like a human is anthropomorphic so it's best to stay away from the term as to not confuse others... and me (the semantics sort).
So yes then, the term furry splits of into many subgroups. One is animals that are like humans, another is humans acting like animals, and still a third is people who like the genre containing either. These are just some broad definitions, though, and I'd rather not go into the gray scale on the issue.
Quote from: Reese Tora on November 14, 2006, 11:08:49 PM
There's sex in EGS? have I been reading the same comic you have?
(tasteful nekkidness, yes; intimate situations, yes; body swapping, yes; t3h sexxorz, not that I recall)
Implicit, rather than explicit. And not necessarily between the people you may think, given how well Dan tells his stories.
Quote from: llearch n'n'daCorna on November 14, 2006, 07:29:27 AM
I get pegged as a freak anyway. Or pegged at, if someone has something to hand.
Having said that, K&K is by far a lesser perversion than, say, some of the other webcomics out there. Better Days, for example. Or Alien Loves Predator. or Shortpacked, or El Goonish Shive, or Clan of the Cats, even.
Let's not even bring Psiotechniqa or Jack into it. :-) And Somethingpositive isn't even furry, but is worse in content than most out there. Art tends to better, though.
Erm. Yeah. I'll stop there, without mentioning Red Meat, Marilith, Striptease, or Suicide for Hire. :-)
K&K?
anyways, I wouldn't call Better days in itself perverted. some of the other stuff the guy does, yeah, but I consider better days a serious webcomic. Calling clan of the cats and El goonish shive perverted in any sense of the word is right out, of course. I won't comment on alien loves predator or shortpacked, seeing as I've never read either.
now that I'm done defending some of my fave comics, I'd like to say that I am also, to certain degrees, furry for spiritual reasons. A few years ago, I discovered that I have what I now believe is a spiritual affinity for the fox, which eventually lead me to some information on the kitsune mythology. It's kind of interesting how my overall spiritual beliefs are kind of like a puzzle. here are the pieces I have so far:
we are all a piece of whatever god or gods we believe in. the belief makes the god, so to speak.
we will each discover our full spiritual path as we travel the path of our life. in my particular case, I'm discovering it in chunks.
in my case, I believe in four elemental spirits which we are all made from. they do not make us up as physical matter, but as something that shapes us. each person is a different mix of these four element, and each element contributes to four basic attributes of a person:
earth, the element of strength, contributes to the atribute of body. those who have much of this element are physically strong and hardy.
water, the element of flexibility, contributes to the attribute of mind. the clear thinkers and highly intelegent people have this element in abbundance
fire, the element of courage, is attributed to the heart. those who are strong in this element are often kind and thoughtfull. they do not take pleasure in the physical or emotional harm of others. they are also very empathetic in general.
air, the element of wisdom, is represenative of the soul. those with an abundance of this element are spiritually strong. when they believe in something, they BELIEVE in it.
finally, we each have an affinity with at least one animal. for some, it is because we are naturally drawn to that animal for reasons beyond human language. for others, it is what we feel that animal represents in us. in my case, it's both.
hmm...
Quote from: Kitsune Ascendant on November 15, 2006, 01:39:52 PM
K&K?
Kevin & Kell
Quote from: Kitsune Ascendant on November 15, 2006, 01:39:52 PM
anyways, I wouldn't call Better days in itself perverted. some of the other stuff the guy does, yeah, but I consider better days a serious webcomic. Calling clan of the cats and El goonish shive perverted in any sense of the word is right out, of course. I won't comment on alien loves predator or shortpacked, seeing as I've never read either.
*I* wouldn't call them perverted, either. My point was, Kevin & Kell would show up, in your average bible-belt calling-down-the-wrath-of-god-upon-those-perverts sermon, those others (which are some of my favourites, as well, mind) would more likely show up than K&K.
I happen to prefer things like, say, Somethingpositive.net, or Jack, for my casual entertainment, to the sort of whitewashed pap your average syndicated comic has. And my point about Better Days is things like, well, the gratiutious panty shot of this scene (http://www.jaynaylor.com/betterdays/archives/2006/10/chapter_16_lucy_22.html) springs to mind. Sure, it's brilliantly drawn. But that doesn't mean it's perfectly clean, either.
.. neither does it mean I have any intention of stopping reading it. But I do try to keep my eyes open to what I am reading, rather than blinkering myself by what I enjoy, if only because I've done that in the past...
Quote from: Gareeku on November 14, 2006, 10:47:09 PM
"Gay"? What is this "Gay" you speak of?
I'm afraid they are referring to Homosexuals, ol' friend...
Sarcasm is lost on some people.
Quote from: Zina on November 15, 2006, 05:06:36 PM
Sarcasm is lost of some people.
Spelling is a lossed art. :-)
*hides*
Quote from: llearch n'n'daCorna on November 15, 2006, 05:19:15 PM
Quote from: Zina on November 15, 2006, 05:06:36 PM
Sarcasm is lost of some people.
Spelling is a lossed art. :-)
*hides*
What're you talking about? All those words were spelled correctly. They were just the wrong words, is all. XD
Pedantry is lost on the same people, methinks.... :-)
*Charles defines pedantry* A foot pantry. ped- (Latin sub for foot) + pantry (minus 'p'). :B
*beeps Arolandos nose and flees*
Quote from: Alondro on November 15, 2006, 11:20:44 PM
*Charles defines pedantry* A foot pantry. ped- (Latin sub for foot) + pantry (minus 'p'). :B
But I never had a foot pantry to begin with. D:
We're losing what now?
I mean besides my marbles...
-_- being a furry myself has changed my school's view of me. someone finds my sketchbook, sees my drawings of Xze, Khaldun and many others and intantly...
I'm accepted as one of the coolest people in the school!! :B
it turns out over half the school is furry!!
and i have been proclained the leader cuz i'm able to draw :B
That's... an interesting change.
Congrats, though, Xze. I guess we'll be seeing less of you now? :-)
Quote from: llearch n'n'daCorna on November 16, 2006, 12:15:56 PM
That's... an interesting change.
Congrats, though, Xze. I guess we'll be seeing less of you now? :-)
actually, yes =3
aren't you glad?
Not really. You liven the place up :-)
Sides its like we have become almost acustom to your face
Like that would be close to her face...
Hmm...
Furry seems to be a liability for a security clearance...
Quote from: Azlan on November 16, 2006, 07:54:15 PM
Furry seems to be a liability for a security clearance...
I would loooove to hear the reasoning behind that one.
Quote from: BillBuckner on November 16, 2006, 07:55:53 PM
I would loooove to hear the reasoning behind that one.
I'm afraid your security clearance isn't high enough.
Boxes, meanwhile, can go anywhere. :<
Quote from: BillBuckner on November 16, 2006, 08:01:48 PM
Boxes, meanwhile, can go anywhere. :<
as long as they have something in them...like mee.
*jumps out of box only to realize that he was fedexed to his archenemy* :dface
back on subject...kinda
did any one see or hear about that one guy that whent as far as surgery to look cat like? i kinda remember it but details are sketchy i remember him getting surgery done on his ears, upper lip, and nose i believe.
so xze is going...leaving party :ipod
joking joking
Yeah...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0fJG5kFNf-w
I've seen this person on Ripley's before, but this is all you tube seems to have.
Ripley's also had one guy who tattooed leopard spots on his body and lived alone and naked on some rock.
It's odd... people like Lizardman may actually turn out to be the biggest benefit to furry, even though they don't consider themselves furry. Lizardman has been on the Preston and Steve show several time, which is the biggest morning radio show in Philly. They think he's cool! And the guy's on tour with Amstead and everyone loves him!
Now, if the 'cool' crowd suddenly decide that though he's weird, he's cool... and their impression of him is that he's 'furry'... sudddenly the everyday furs who sport ears and a tail every now and then don't seem odd at all!
It only takes one well-placed celebrity to popularize something. ;)
Quote from: The Warlike on November 16, 2006, 11:01:38 PM
...Ripley's also had one guy who tattooed leopard spots on his body and lived alone and naked on some rock.
His name is Tom Leppard. He lives alone on the Isle of Skye, and according to the Guinness Book of Records, he is the world's most tattooed man.
Pics, for those interested. (http://www.vanishingtattoo.com/tattoo/celeb-leopard.htm)
What about that guy with the blue-puzzle-piece-looking tattoos everywhere? wasn't he the most tattooed man?
Quote from: Alondro on November 16, 2006, 11:21:33 PM
It only takes one well-placed celebrity to popularize something. ;)
or alot of people that just do it every day, and it'll slowly catch on.
but the celebrity would boost it
*looks at piccies of guy with leopard patterned tattos*
*hide in terror*
Quote from: BillBuckner on November 16, 2006, 08:01:48 PM
Boxes, meanwhile, can go anywhere. :<
*Does the MGS box crawl*
I am not the box you're looking for!
*craaaawl...*
On another note, doing things like that to yourself instead of going all Dr.Moreau and for the full genetic reconfiguration is PERVERSE!
*craaaawl...*
Quote from: LionHeart on November 17, 2006, 12:38:24 AM
Quote from: The Warlike on November 16, 2006, 11:01:38 PM
...Ripley's also had one guy who tattooed leopard spots on his body and lived alone and naked on some rock.
His name is Tom Leppard. He lives alone on the Isle of Skye, and according to the Guinness Book of Records, he is the world's most tattooed man.
Pics, for those interested. (http://www.vanishingtattoo.com/tattoo/celeb-leopard.htm)
Wouldn't getting those sting like all get out? And did you know that there are some people who have surgery to give themselves tails and fur? It doesn't work that well, though.
The problem with artificially giving yourself tails and fur is biocompatibility and rejection. These are different from small implants under the skin made of silicone or titanium, which generally don't move much if placed correctly and thus don't create much inflammation. Fur and tails stick through and are always moving. They act in the same manner as a splinter of wood or a tiny sliver of glass in your finger. Eventually the tissue around them becomes chronically inflamed and they must be removed. Also, the sites of entry are perfect for bacteria to get inside, especially when there's inflammation.
Genetics is useless too in an adult. Intriducing and activating the proper genes in billions of cells is simply impossible with current technology and there's nothing in the works that will make it any easier for decades to come.
No, the best way to get fur and a tail is through tissue engineering of some of the subjects' farmed cells and then grafting the products. So, for those who have the tens of millions of dollars it would cost to perform a complex project like that, have fun!
well yeah the grafting a tail to your @#$ would be imposible.
but i remember some weird documentary about geneticaly altering the egg and change the appearance of a person. thus to acheve a more...i can't exactly remember what he said. but it caught my atention.
any one else know what i'm talking about.
The only thing really possible to be able to get would be either pointed ears through plastic surgery, or horns grown through calcium injection/deposit thingies.
I imagine a tail would be really bothersome anyway.
Quote from: RJ on November 21, 2006, 01:18:30 AM
I imagine a tail would be really bothersome anyway.
Indeed. I was trying to imagine how Jakob would sit in a sofa the other day. It would suck - I can't think of any way he'd avoid squashing his tail unless all his chairs had a hole in the back like those tacky plastic ones you get at school.
A sofa would have a subtly different design to our (or indeed to the one the rats sit on in DMFA) to take it into account.
Then again I was wondering how much control a fur would have over their tail anyway - my dog certainly didn't seem to have much conscious control over hers, so it might simply wag or droop with their mood anyway.
I haven't read an enormous amount of furry writing, but most of the authors I've read on this form seem to be ignoring the tail completely. I realised I was doing this too, hence my thought experiments with Jakob :P
it depends on how flexible the root of the tail is. Generally speaking, there's some space at the bottom of the spine, since people tend to slouch on couches, rather than sit upright.
In that case, the tail isn't going to cause problems. It's only if you put the base of your spine flat against the cushions, and even then, there's a small gap in the corner...
Quote from: Tapewolf on November 21, 2006, 04:03:14 AM
Quote from: RJ on November 21, 2006, 01:18:30 AM
I imagine a tail would be really bothersome anyway.
Indeed. I was trying to imagine how Jakob would sit in a sofa the other day. It would suck - I can't think of any way he'd avoid squashing his tail unless all his chairs had a hole in the back like those tacky plastic ones you get at school.
A sofa would have a subtly different design to our (or indeed to the one the rats sit on in DMFA) to take it into account.
In encountering a similar scenario with a Crocodile tail (for all intents and purposes) I had myself designing the seat like a motorcycle saddle, except with a U-groove in the back for the tail to go.
At some point, you just come across too many species to design for all of them....
Well, in addition to all the problems with tails, can you imagine bathing with all that fur? It'd take a looong time to get dry! And then there's another little problem with the reptile morphs. They would require quite an extensive re-design of their physiology to work properly. Plus, how would they handle the higher metabolism required to generate enough energy to power a human-level brain? A large brain uses quite a large percentage of the total metabolic energy of the body, I believe in humans it's around 20%. Consider that the brain's mass is only about 1% of the total body mass for an average young adult, and it's quite a greedy organ! Bad brain! Learn to share or no more ATP for you! :3
That's why it's better to be human.
The biggest downside is reproduction, but other than that, we've got most of the stuff right.
I'm quite happy being who and what I am right now thank you very much. That kind of extensive (and expensive) surgery and stuff just isn't worth it. Like, what if you lose interest in being a furry? What then?
Now if one could magically morph between forms, that would own all. :D
There are occasionally Babies born with tails or horns. The genes are there in the DNA, they are just turned off for most everyone.
http://www.dimaggio.org/Archive/tails_in_humans.htm
One woman grew a horn. A model of her head is in the Mutter Museum in Philadelphia. They still don't have a clue what triggered that.
FLCL
Quote from: Alondro on November 27, 2006, 09:20:38 PM
Well, in addition to all the problems with tails, can you imagine bathing with all that fur? It'd take a looong time to get dry!
Well, that would be more of an engineering problem than anything... Something like a big hairdryer, that could do the entire body, perhaps?
Quote from: Elader Arkon on November 28, 2006, 01:43:48 PM
I'm quite happy being who and what I am right now thank you very much. That kind of extensive (and expensive) surgery and stuff just isn't worth it. Like, what if you lose interest in being a furry? What then?
Now if one could magically morph between forms, that would own all. :D
Agreed. Same here.
While it might be fun to experiment with, I don't think I would want it to be permanent.
Quote from: Alondro on November 27, 2006, 09:20:38 PM
Well, in addition to all the problems with tails, can you imagine bathing with all that fur? It'd take a looong time to get dry!
The flipside is that canids and felines etc don't sweat so they wouldn't need to shower daily. I don't think bears sweat either so presumably it does scale up.
You would need to bathe or shower periodically though, with some kind of anti-flea shampoo - just not as regularly as a human would.
(Has another idea but won't say what it is so he can use it in his writing)
Heh, I was kinda joking about the bathing thing. I mean, nobody bathed at all during the Middle Ages! :yuck And during the winter, they pretty much wore the same clothes for the entire season. :yuck :yuck AND they often had farm animals in the hovels with them since the peasants often only had a single fireplace or fire pit so all the livestock needed to be protected from the cold... imagine the squalour... :yuck :yuck :yuck
In reality, the tails would pose the most problems. Getting them trapped in machinery, for instance. But even then, you could always tie them up or something to prevent that. For a simple mammal-type furry, there aren't really any major physiological concerns once you have a stable, healthy genome. The problems that would pop up in a modern setting would be mainly nuciances that could be dealt with by technology and behavior changes.
For the metabolic problems, I mainly meant any reptilian forms. That's require some very tricky re-writing of their genome, and in the mitochondrial DNA too to upregulate metabolism at all levels.
Well, that could easily be done by through natural adaptation. If they were ever to start taking part of civilization, the reptiles would have had to adapt gradually from the very start...
As for the tails, I believe that we'd have designed workplaces and clothing after that. Either that, or all furries working in mines would have theirs amputated...
I personally wouldn't ever want to see the 'in-crowd' take to the furry culture. The fact that the fandom isn't part of popular culture, yet is still a force to be reckoned with is somehow appealing to me.
I'd rather see a furry president, not a furry celebrity. We need acceptance, not an embracement. Why? Because once half the world does the furry thing, it will be approached more as a cliche than it EVER has been before.
I think that the furry public should vote for Me as there terrible dark lord and master president.
Quote from: The DXM on November 29, 2006, 06:15:03 PM
I'd rather see a furry president, not a furry celebrity. We need acceptance, not an embracement. Why? Because once half the world does the furry thing, it will be approached more as a cliche than it EVER has been before.
Never happen lad... if it does, I'll buy you a pony.
Quote from: Azlan on November 30, 2006, 01:11:01 AM
Quote from: The DXM on November 29, 2006, 06:15:03 PM
I'd rather see a furry president, not a furry celebrity. We need acceptance, not an embracement. Why? Because once half the world does the furry thing, it will be approached more as a cliche than it EVER has been before.
Never happen lad... if it does, I'll buy you a pony.
Screw the pony, he'd deserve the Nobel Peace Prize.
The only way that the view of so many people could change is with mind control or a sudden acceptance of everything. One person can not change the world; only many, many people could do that. Even more so for your idea. Unfortunately, I doubt the mindset of the population will change if the president is a furry or not.
Oh, one person can change the world. In fact, it's never been easier. Of course, you have to broaden your group of what sorts of changes can be initiated. *dabbles with... things... in the lab at 4 am... all alone... where no one can see the horrors... >:3
Quote from: The DXM on November 29, 2006, 06:15:03 PM
I personally wouldn't ever want to see the 'in-crowd' take to the furry culture. The fact that the fandom isn't part of popular culture, yet is still a force to be reckoned with is somehow appealing to me.
I'd rather see a furry president, not a furry celebrity. We need acceptance, not an embracement. Why? Because once half the world does the furry thing, it will be approached more as a cliche than it EVER has been before.
There is something to be said for becoming cliched, so long as it isn't based on negative stereotyping. I would also call it a step towards (or within) acceptance to become cliche.