So, this totally deserved me logging in for;
Wildy actually goes out Adventuring?!? :O (that or she has a sister with the same skill set.. >.>)
Beyond that, I find the current upload's mix of uber-shading with the clean, simple base-colours quite awesome.
Gotta love those magic effects~ <3
A very similar sister she doesn't seem to have ever mentioned.
Or yeah, that's just Wildy being a shaman-adventurer-crime-fighter!
Another possibility is that Wildy is writing another novel.
Quote from: Naldru on April 20, 2012, 05:59:09 AM
Another possibility is that Wildy is writing another novel.
Sadly, I think it's more like:
Talliopa was the first. The list is long.
--Dirac Angestun GeseptEDIT: Though one thing that I am kind of intrigued by is whether the bereaved kid is 'Cubi.
Quote from: Naldru on April 20, 2012, 05:59:09 AM
Another possibility is that Wildy is writing another novel.
I think that's a fascinating concept! (And Dan's the Incubus and Matilda is the wife... >.>) :P
Mind you, she could even be doing research for her next book as well.
That, or Wildy needs to pay the bills and writing any more books is more likely to end up in law suit...
I now fear for our friends in Lost Lake Inn
I'm picturing this as an episode of CSI: Lost Lake.
But it looks like the only thing that was lost here.... was a life.
*puts on shades* Yeaaaaaaaah!
in a completely unrelated series, i'll imagine ever scene change with this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-8lDYrvTILc :P
I like the idea of Tev, the bat, not having wings but rather slight skinflap that goes up part of his arms. It's an interesting design idea that you don't see too often with bat characters.
I also think Wildy is right with the perpertrators being mercenaries. Unless of course it was a cult with remarkable patience...you never know!
Quote from: justacritic on April 20, 2012, 07:57:57 AM
I now fear for our friends in Lost Lake Inn
My mind harks back to this: http://missmab.com/Comics/Vol_1279.php
Specifically, Fa'Lina's second-to-last line.
I'm not seeing any signs of battle except for the blood from the kill. The incubus knew his killer(s) and let them in.
To be frank, it's probably a group of Assasins, considering most mercs are not clean (it was mentioned that nothing was stolen or destroyed, and to be frank most mercs would steal things) Also notice that there is no mention of other wounds than the head cut off (though amber might have taken that out to keep inside the already strained PG-13 rating) Meaning that it was a "clean" kill.
Though assasins COULD be counted as mercs, but they could easily have been agents of the group behind the hit.
On another note I think this page displays the status of Furre much more realistically than comics before.
Quote from: Tapewolf on April 20, 2012, 08:37:12 AM
Quote from: justacritic on April 20, 2012, 07:57:57 AM
I now fear for our friends in Lost Lake Inn
My mind harks back to this: http://missmab.com/Comics/Vol_1279.php
Specifically, Fa'Lina's second-to-last line.
To be fair, anyone who wants to attack an Inn where a dragon, a cubi, and worst of all, a Ferret and an Alexsi lives is suicidal.
Quote from: Drakkenmensch on April 20, 2012, 08:44:02 AM
I'm not seeing any signs of battle except for the blood from the kill. The incubus knew his killer(s) and let them in.
As I said, it might have been a group of assasins, and they could easily pick the lock.
Quote from: Ignuus66 on April 20, 2012, 08:47:41 AM
To be fair, anyone who wants to attack an Inn where a dragon, a cubi, and worst of all, a Ferret and an Alexsi lives is suicidal.
No, the other line. The one where she says she's having people investigate Talliopa's murder.
Quote from: Tapewolf on April 20, 2012, 09:08:18 AM
No, the other line. The one where she says she's having people investigate Talliopa's murder.
oh, that? I don't think Alexsi or any other lost lake inhabitant really knows anything about 'Cubi relations and the dragon war. (other than Abel, and he is hard to approach, and AFAIK there doesn't seem to be any relation between Talliopa and Abel for an outsider, and even for people who know everything, he doesn't really even know her, he just has the same information as her)
Also thanks tapewolf for cleaning up.
Just to be clear: have they ruled out suicide?
I'll go ahead and add in my two cents, since I'm surprised nobody has brought this up yet.
Here's the comics I feel are very relavent to what seems to be mercenaries killing off Cubi.
http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_707.php
http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_711.php
http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_1053.php
http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_1097.php
Although you'd hope that one of the first things taught to adventurers (or anyone really) is, "When a Fae's involved and/or friends with someone, forget whatever you were doing and run away!" Case in point: Dan's formidible by himself, but throw Mab in...
However Mab herself has admitted that even in a best case scenario, two individuals that she has befriended will end up dead.
Quote from: Sofox on April 20, 2012, 09:51:25 AM
Just to be clear: have they ruled out suicide?
By decapitation?
Quote from: Sienna Maiu - M T on April 20, 2012, 06:14:30 AM
That, or Wildy needs to pay the bills and writing any more books is more likely to end up in law suit...
Heh. Burning through the proceeds from her first novel this quickly would require some kind of Michael Jackson spending spree... :dface
It's really cool that Wildy has a new day job though. A bored ferret is a dangerous ferret... >:]
Quote from: Plotting on April 20, 2012, 08:11:09 AM
I like the idea of Tev, the bat, not having wings but rather slight skinflap that goes up part of his arms. It's an interesting design idea that you don't see too often with bat characters.
It seems to be the theme for Being characters based on flying mammals/birds. Since actual back wings are the domain of Creature races, they go the wing-based arms route.
Quote from: Ignuus66 on April 20, 2012, 08:47:41 AM
To be frank, it's probably a group of Assasins, considering most mercs are not clean (it was mentioned that nothing was stolen or destroyed, and to be frank most mercs would steal things) Also notice that there is no mention of other wounds than the head cut off (though amber might have taken that out to keep inside the already strained PG-13 rating) Meaning that it was a "clean" kill.
Though assasins COULD be counted as mercs, but they could easily have been agents of the group behind the hit.
Assuming Cale hasn't moved much in this scene, there's blood spatter on opposite ends of the room (the wall, the couch, and the bit on the floors behind him). Either the Incubus in question wandered around headless for a bit, or it wasn't quite as clean a kill as you're suggesting.
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Quote from: Drakkenmensch on April 20, 2012, 08:44:02 AM
I'm not seeing any signs of battle except for the blood from the kill. The incubus knew his killer(s) and let them in.
As I said, it might have been a group of assasins, and they could easily pick the lock.
Or you know... having a nasty habit being able to teleport, and such. :animesweat
Very interesting how the adventurers here are investigating this murder. They seem far more professional about it then the group just checking in at lost lake. Though just checking something is far less serious then a murder investigation.
Though with the confirmation of it being cubi, I fear that the case might eventually end up in lost lake. Dan's home and currently were Abel sleeps and works in public, it only seems fitting that both the murderers and the adventurers eventually end up there.
Quote from: Sofox on April 20, 2012, 09:51:25 AM
Just to be clear: have they ruled out suicide?
This reminds the of a quote from "The Lazer Collection 3".
"You sure it was murder?"
"His chest was ripped open from the inside! You think he did that on his own?"
Quote from: Naldru on April 20, 2012, 05:59:09 AM
Another possibility is that Wildy is writing another novel.
So is this going to be like Castle only with Widly?
Quote from: Sofox on April 20, 2012, 09:51:25 AM
Just to be clear: have they ruled out suicide?
Unless the victim possessed a very powerful (likely enchanted) cutting weapon, the possibility of that would be rather slim, considering the amount of force it takes to slice completely through the neck.
It might depend on how clean the cut is and whether the head was severed in one blow or many.
I don't see how it would be achievable to cut your own head off with a hand-held weapon. The position severely limits leverage and attaching from either side results in death mid-stroke. Once you got to the jugular and carotid the loss of blood pressure would make it extremely unlikely to generate enough force, regardless of personal strength, to continue unaided through the spine. You could do it with a badly designed hangman's noose I suppose as the proper noose was expressly designed not to have the chance to rip the head off but it won't look clean. Even a heavy axe wouldn't work in the distance you could hold it above you. Gravity wouldn't apply enough force to get all the way through and you wouldn't have the leverage to apply much more.
Quote from: ChaosMageX on April 20, 2012, 01:25:26 PM
Quote from: Sofox on April 20, 2012, 09:51:25 AM
Just to be clear: have they ruled out suicide?
Unless the victim possessed a very powerful (likely enchanted) cutting weapon, the possibility of that would be rather slim, considering the amount of force it takes to slice completely through the neck.
It might depend on how clean the cut is and whether the head was severed in one blow or many.
Cubi have built in access to weapons that can easily slice through flesh and bone (http://missmab.com/Comics/Abel_99.php), even of a Creature. An adult Incubus would be perfectly capable of decapitating himself, should he so wish...
or it could've been one of Kish'ta's lot looking for a new suit. >:3
Quote from: Tezkat on April 20, 2012, 01:42:07 PM
Quote from: ChaosMageX on April 20, 2012, 01:25:26 PM
Quote from: Sofox on April 20, 2012, 09:51:25 AM
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Cubi have built in access to weapons that can easily slice through flesh and bone (http://missmab.com/Comics/Abel_99.php), even of a Creature. An adult Incubus would be perfectly capable of decapitating himself, should he so wish...
Don't forget that he said "another case" thus meaning that this wasn't the only cubi murder, plus unless he sliced his own head off with his tentacles there would be the case of the weapon used to kill himself.
Also as it was said before, there may be multiple blood splatters, which would contradict suicide.
Also I really like the magic effects of wildy's magic, but I'm wondering what she's casting....
Quote from: Turnsky on April 20, 2012, 01:52:23 PM
or it could've been one of Kish'ta's lot looking for a new suit. >:3
Yeah, it probably was Kish'Ta clan members that made the Furrae equivalent of The Hills Have Eyes or whatever other horror movie I'm getting it mixed up with.
Quote from: Ignuus66 on April 20, 2012, 02:10:00 PM
Don't forget that he said "another case" thus meaning that this wasn't the only cubi murder, plus unless he sliced his own head off with his tentacles there would be the case of the weapon used to kill himself.
Food for thought... given the ease with which a Cubi could presumably off themselves, can one even rule a suicide as a suicide without additional information? After all, with mind and/or body controlling magic--or even the simple application of threats to themselves or loved ones--it's not outside the realm of possibility to use victims as their own murder weapons... >:]
Quote from: Tezkat on April 20, 2012, 02:20:56 PM
Quote from: Ignuus66 on April 20, 2012, 02:10:00 PM
Don't forget that he said "another case" thus meaning that this wasn't the only cubi murder, plus unless he sliced his own head off with his tentacles there would be the case of the weapon used to kill himself.
Food for thought... given the ease with which a Cubi could presumably off themselves, can one even rule a suicide as a suicide without additional information? After all, with mind and/or body controlling magic--or even the simple application of threats to themselves or loved ones--it's not outside the realm of possibility to use victims as their own murder weapons... >:]
To be frank, Id' believe the wife would tell if he was somehow not the best off, plus as I said, you can't dismiss the fact that there are blood splatters everywhere, plus as he said "we have another case" meaning there are more murders in a way that is similar to this one. Also i'd think an Emo cubi wouldn't wait untill his wife leaves, don't forget they act mostly on impulse, and plus this group seems to be made of professionals, thus they would be able to recognize this.
Also I'm assuming if it was suicide the wife wouldn't call for detectives to learn more.... she'd know it was suicide...
Quote from: Ignuus66 on April 20, 2012, 02:30:54 PM
Quote from: Tezkat on April 20, 2012, 02:20:56 PM
Food for thought... given the ease with which a Cubi could presumably off themselves, can one even rule a suicide as a suicide without additional information? After all, with mind and/or body controlling magic--or even the simple application of threats to themselves or loved ones--it's not outside the realm of possibility to use victims as their own murder weapons... >:]
To be frank, Id' believe the wife would tell if he was somehow not the best off, plus as I said, you can't dismiss the fact that there are blood splatters everywhere, plus as he said "we have another case" meaning there are more murders in a way that is similar to this one. Also i'd think an Emo cubi wouldn't wait untill his wife leaves, don't forget they act mostly on impulse, and plus this group seems to be made of professionals, thus they would be able to recognize this.
Also I'm assuming if it was suicide the wife wouldn't call for detectives to learn more.... she'd know it was suicide...
Are you trying to spoil my crazy, implausible conspiracy theories with logic and reason?!? :dface
Quote from: Sofox on April 20, 2012, 09:51:25 AM
Just to be clear: have they ruled out suicide?
Dangit Sofox! You made me laugh.
I'm not sure if it was intentional, but for those not in the know my husband does a comic called Leftover Soup at http://leftoversoup.com/ where the most recent strip is also dealing with the death of somone. :U
Quote from: Tezkat on April 20, 2012, 02:48:59 PM
Are you trying to spoil my crazy, implausible conspiracy theories with logic and reason?!? :dface
Yes, yes I am :mwaha
If you wish I can supply you with 5 more conspiration theories that are somewhat more logical :cool
Heh. Miss "San Wilder" got a new job after her writing work almost backfired.
I suspect that she might meet Matilda during the "Adventurer for a day" event.
But then again, who doesn't expect that?
Quote from: justacritic on April 20, 2012, 10:17:28 AM
However Mab herself has admitted that even in a best case scenario, two individuals that she has befriended will end up dead.
Hasn't Amber said she's chickened out of killing off characters in one of the Q&A pages?
Quote from: Tezkat on April 20, 2012, 11:52:23 AM
Quote from: Plotting on April 20, 2012, 08:11:09 AM
I like the idea of Tev, the bat, not having wings but rather slight skinflap that goes up part of his arms. It's an interesting design idea that you don't see too often with bat characters.
It seems to be the theme for Being characters based on flying mammals/birds. Since actual back wings are the domain of Creature races, they go the wing-based arms route.
Makes me think of "most powahful cubi evah" http://www.furaffinity.net/view/6729207/ (http://www.furaffinity.net/view/6729207/) as a bat (or duck) and Dan and Matildas lovechild getting a kid with a bat or duck,
Regarind the amount of blood splatter: are we sure that a Cubi can not run around with-out its head for a few seconds like a freshly decapitated chicken?
Well that's my crazy DFMA comic theory for the day. :)
Quote from: Ignuus66 on April 20, 2012, 02:10:00 PM
Also I really like the magic effects of wildy's magic, but I'm wondering what she's casting....
I know she's casting some type(s) of magic, but honestly it reminds me a bit of Minority Report.... only post-crime instead of pre-crime. :)
Interesting catch, Tapewolf, that Fa'Lina may have hired out the crew to investigate the Cubi murders. I know she would do what she can to prevent the Cubi population from barreling into war with Hizell and his fellow dragons, especially if he wasn't responsible for the murders (framed?), but I'm afraid the hysteria and outrage are going to be too much to quell.
Quote from: AxiLarin on April 21, 2012, 02:58:33 AM
Quote from: Ignuus66 on April 20, 2012, 02:10:00 PM
Also I really like the magic effects of wildy's magic, but I'm wondering what she's casting....
I know she's casting some type(s) of magic, but honestly it reminds me a bit of Minority Report.... only post-crime
I think it might be a bit of forensic sorcery, in the style of that used in Randall Garrett's "Lord Darcy" (http://www.baenebooks.com/chapters/0743435486/0743435486.htm) mysteries...
Quote from: AxiLarin on April 21, 2012, 02:58:33 AM
Interesting catch, Tapewolf, that Fa'Lina may have hired out the crew to investigate the Cubi murders.
Well she would have a vested interest in finding out what she could regarding the murders, and relying on a liaison officer (or whatever the Furrae equivalent is) might not get the specific information that she would require.
While I don't doubt that there would be something like liaison officers in Furrae, it does not mean that different agencies, cities, or creatures/beings would be truly cooperative with one another or share all valid information with each other. This would be especially true when different interests/schemes are involved.
Quote from: AxiLarin on April 21, 2012, 02:58:33 AM
Interesting catch, Tapewolf, that Fa'Lina may have hired out the crew to investigate the Cubi murders.
Let's disassemble that theory:
For one, Fa'lina would have cubi investigate, and to be frank since San is there we can safely assume that the crew wasn't hired as a cubi only group, + they appear too be alone and if they were cubi they wouldn't hide that from each other. Of course this doesn't mean there might not be a cubi among them, but they are not a cubi group.
Secondly, AFAIK Fa'lina tries not to mess with things outside of Saia, (unless it's saving/helping a recently matured cubi) and I'm thinking she isn't really even aware of the outside world.
Thirdly, If she were aware of the murders and such, she might well be aware who did it, (if it was another cubi clan) and decided not to interfere.
Fourthly, it would be more probably she would leave it to Taun, unless it's Hizell, in which case she might try to convince him to try and not interfere to stop a Second Dragon/Cubi war from interupting in a Highly volatile world. (think world war 1, it all started when Austria/Hungary's Emperor-would-be was assassinated by a Serb group, and they did not like that, thus they declared war against Serbia, and germany helped Austria, Russia helped Serbia, France Helped Russia, And England helped Belgium who was caught in the crossfire.)
A similar thing can happen, With Cubi trying to hunt down hizell, dragons helping Hizell, some cubi calling in allies, which might cause dragons to bring in allies, and so on and so forth, and since Globalization is well on it's way in Furrae, It is much more likely that such a war would develop into a full scale World War than the last Dragon-Cubi war... Which I'd believe is something she would rather avoid.
Quote from: Ignuus66 on April 21, 2012, 05:29:38 AM
Let's disassemble that theory:
For one, Fa'lina would have cubi investigate, and to be frank since San is there we can safely assume that the crew wasn't hired as a cubi only group, + they appear too be alone and if they were cubi they wouldn't hide that from each other. Of course this doesn't mean there might not be a cubi among them, but they are not a cubi group.
Well, I reckon Cale's a Taun. They're usually adventurers or mercenaries, and IMHO they'd rise to the top of any given group. That and if you're investigating a serial murder involving 'Cubi, you'd ideally want a 'Cubi in on it, right?
FWIW, I don't think Fa'Lina would necessarily have hand-picked a group, she'd more likely have asked Taun to find someone trustworthy and leave the details up to them.
QuoteSecondly, AFAIK Fa'lina tries not to mess with things outside of Saia, (unless it's saving/helping a recently matured cubi) and I'm thinking she isn't really even aware of the outside world.
For SAIA to function properly, 'Cubi about to graduate will have to integrate with the outside world. The staff would have to know what things are like politically, especially WRT how 'Cubi are being treated. That and Fa'Lina is prescient regarding recent graduates, so she's going to soak up some background information regardless.
I also think that if people start calling hits on 'Cubi or it looks like a new war is beginning, 'Cubi outside would inform her.
QuoteFourthly, it would be more probably she would leave it to Taun, unless it's Hizell, in which case she might try to convince him to try and not interfere to stop a Second Dragon/Cubi war from interupting in a Highly volatile world.
The thing is that if it is Hizell, or hirelings in his pay... well, they're either going to kill the entire 'Cubi race one by one or you're going to have a war to try and prevent him. I don't see a lot of other choices.
Quote from: Tapewolf on April 21, 2012, 08:24:27 AM
For SAIA to function properly, 'Cubi about to graduate will have to integrate with the outside world. The staff would have to know what things are like politically, especially WRT how 'Cubi are being treated. That and Fa'Lina is prescient regarding recent graduates, so she's going to soak up some background information regardless.
I also think that if people start calling hits on 'Cubi or it looks like a new war is beginning, 'Cubi outside would inform her.
That's a valid point
Quote from: Tapewolf on April 21, 2012, 08:24:27 AM
The thing is that if it is Hizell, or hirelings in his pay... well, they're either going to kill the entire 'Cubi race one by one or you're going to have a war to try and prevent him. I don't see a lot of other choices.
AFAIK Hizell isn't wanting to kill the entire 'cubi race "only" finish off Cyra.... Which on the other hand isn't something a World war is worth starting over for Fa'lina, though if Hizell could gain access to Saia, he might change agendas to Extinction of the Cubi race again, but as of current it seems to be killing Cyra and Destinia (he doesn't know about Dan yet) Which only seems to affect the poor cubi caught in the crossfire. But if fa'lina or Taun were to interfere it might escalate into a Dragon-Cubi war, which in turn could easily escalate into a Being-Creature-Cubi-Dragon war.
Also I don't think Cubi really trust other races enough to have them investigate murder scenes instead of actual 'Cubi.
Edit: fixed quote error
Quote from: Tapewolf on April 21, 2012, 08:24:27 AM
Quote from: Ignuus66 on April 21, 2012, 05:29:38 AM
Let's disassemble that theory:
For one, Fa'lina would have cubi investigate, and to be frank since San is there we can safely assume that the crew wasn't hired as a cubi only group, + they appear too be alone and if they were cubi they wouldn't hide that from each other. Of course this doesn't mean there might not be a cubi among them, but they are not a cubi group.
Well, I reckon Cale's a Taun. They're usually adventurers or mercenaries, and IMHO they'd rise to the top of any given group. That and if you're investigating a serial murder involving 'Cubi, you'd ideally want a 'Cubi in on it, right?
FWIW, I don't think Fa'Lina would necessarily have hand-picked a group, she'd more likely have asked Taun to find someone trustworthy and leave the details up to them.
It should be noted that Wildy is known to Fa'Lina and many other Cubi at SAIA thanks to her participation in the rescue mission. Notwithstanding (or perhaps because of) a few beatdowns doled out in the general melee, she seems to have made a very favourable impression.
Given the apparent proximity of Lost Lake to Zivnth, she may have already been on a shortlist for handpicked Adventurers to look into sensitive local problems.
Mind you, the dialogue suggests that his team was not previously briefed on the background conflict...
Quote from: Tezkat on April 21, 2012, 12:41:00 PM
Mind you, the dialogue suggests that his team was not previously briefed on the background conflict...
Yeah, that's my main argument, considering that sending a team of proabably non-creatures to investigate a Cubi murder without knowing anything (or hardly anything, amber said that the Dragon/Cubi war seemed like the occasional random murder of a Cubi or a dragon, and sometimes a rampage or 2 to the other races) is not the smartest idea, because then they may leave out important clues like.. >3 the clan mark carved out of the dead body perhaps?
EDit: I'm betting on amber standing at the Sidelines, laughing and eating popcorn, and when the argument comes to a stalemate, she releases a bit of information that debunks all the theories here.
Quote from: Ignuus66 on April 21, 2012, 02:16:18 PM
EDit: I'm betting on amber standing at the Sidelines, laughing and eating popcorn, and when the argument comes to a stalemate, she releases a bit of information that debunks all the theories here.
You mean like the fact that this group was investigating a small town murder only to find out that it was a serial case? The more likely scenario is that if Fa'Lina has some group working on it, they will be taking over this particular investigation as part of their bigger project. Where as this group would simply be a more local group of adventurer's who were investigating a random murder and have stumbled upon a bigger picture.
But that's just my theory. And I'm sure I don't know much about the subject.
Quote from: Amber Williams on April 21, 2012, 02:39:43 PM
Quote from: Ignuus66 on April 21, 2012, 02:16:18 PM
EDit: I'm betting on amber standing at the Sidelines, laughing and eating popcorn, and when the argument comes to a stalemate, she releases a bit of information that debunks all the theories here.
You mean like the fact that this group was investigating a small town murder only to find out that it was a serial case? The more likely scenario is that if Fa'Lina has some group working on it, they will be taking over this particular investigation as part of their bigger project. Where as this group would simply be a more local group of adventurer's who were investigating a random murder and have stumbled upon a bigger picture.
But that's just my theory. And I'm sure I don't know much about the subject.
Sarcasm detected! Sarcasm detected! Releasing sense of humor now.
Really the death of a member of species that some have bad feelings against, would this be classed as something like a hate crime as well?
Hmmmm...
The assassination of a Cubi is not an easy task. Do keep in mind that, despite the fact that most Cubi regularly use filters on their empathy, it is exceedingly difficult to 'sneak up on' someone who can feel your emotions before you enter the room. This indicates at least a modicum of magic being used to conceal such.
Second, concerning the timing window. This is a personal vendetta, the individual in question has a personal grudge against the victim, but not against the victim's family. A mercenary wouldn't hesitate to eliminate the family, and as pointed out, an anti-cubi cult would probably want to kill 'cubi-lovers' as readily as cubi.
Third, it is no easy thing to kill a Cubi. Either the individual has a great deal of skill, or a great deal of power, or both.
Considering historical background, I'd start looking into a Draconic connection. Failing that, I'd look for an involvement with Piflak's clan. Since he said this case has gone serial, one can assume that the previous murder of a member of Piflak's clan was similar enough for individuals to draw conclusions that they were done by the same individual. Now, lets all remember that Piflak's, among other things, a very accomplished artist. I think it might tweak her sense of irony to kill an individual who killed one of her clan members in an exactly identical manner. Failing that, someone may have a grudge match against Piflak's clan.
This does strike me as Expert, possibly done by a Professional, however I don't think it was a hired hit. I think someone's got a real hard-on for taking down Cubi for a very long time, and has spent the past time frame in learning how to become this good so that they can begin this vendetta.
At the moment, we don't have any evidence supporting this, but we really don't have a lot of evidence period. Now would be the time I would dig into the case files and look for similarities. But my gut tells me that this is a smart grudge match. Not a random 'GWAR IMMA GONNA KILL ALLA J00!' sort of blind rage, but a hyperfocused "I am Inigo Montoya. You killed my father. Prepare to die" sort of thing. Someone lost a loved one to a Cubi early in their life. The psychological scarring from that event convinced the child of two things: 1) Cubi need to die, and 2) Cubi are dangerous, so rather than go out and get killed, get the training and skill necessary to bring it to them.
There are two things people generally study: Those things they like, and those things they hate. And someone most definitely does not like Cubi.
You know, we already suspect Hizell ordering these hits, his personal calling card and the willingness to have others help him kill cubi is noted in the story and does match his history with killing them.
Though an even bigger puzzle still hasn't been quite nailed down and would either further prove or disprove Hizell's involvement. Why now?
Trade is one good reason that could agitate Hizell that one of the adventurers mentioned. But is that the reason or the only reason?
Edit: Hmmmmmm...Though if we take in Dan's experience, just how readily available would detailed and truthful information for creature battles be available for adventurers?
Wow, Its C.S.I. Furrae. I always thought that they needed a new franchise. :mowcookie
Mao: merged your thread into the existing one we had for this comic.
Thank You Mao. :mowdizzy
Quote from: Prroul on April 21, 2012, 07:57:10 PM
it is no easy thing to kill a Cubi. Either the individual has a great deal of skill, or a great deal of power, or both.
Well that would really depend on the Cubi in question, in particular how powerful the Cubi is and how competent they are at defending themselves. While Cubi have a lot of potential when it comes to fighting, thought reading, shapeshifting, perhaps even some innate magic, but the average Cubi fights like a drunk in a bar fight (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_1257.php) - emotional, reckless, and stupid.
And that is if they know anything about self-defence and/or combat. Not all Cubi are trained in self-defence (like Aniz), and most who are only take the basic course in self-defence.
Quote from: joshofspam on April 21, 2012, 09:27:31 PM
You know, we already suspect Hizell ordering these hits, his personal calling card and the willingness to have others help him kill cubi is noted in the story and does match his history with killing them.
Though an even bigger puzzle still hasn't been quite nailed down and would either further prove or disprove Hizell's involvement. Why now?
Trade is one good reason that could agitate Hizell that one of the adventurers mentioned. But is that the reason or the only reason?
Edit: Hmmmmmm...Though if we take in Dan's experience, just how readily available would detailed and truthful information for creature battles be available for adventurers?
Is the clan symbol missing? That was Hizell's MO. If the clan symbol is missing, I'd say yes. But if it is still there... then probably not. Not enough information yet.
Quote from: Plotting on April 22, 2012, 01:15:52 AM
Quote from: Prroul on April 21, 2012, 07:57:10 PM
it is no easy thing to kill a Cubi. Either the individual has a great deal of skill, or a great deal of power, or both.
Well that would really depend on the Cubi in question, in particular how powerful the Cubi is and how competent they are at defending themselves. While Cubi have a lot of potential when it comes to fighting, thought reading, shapeshifting, perhaps even some innate magic, but the average Cubi fights like a drunk in a bar fight (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_1257.php) - emotional, reckless, and stupid.
And that is if they know anything about self-defence and/or combat. Not all Cubi are trained in self-defence (like Aniz), and most who are only take the basic course in self-defence.
They're still a Creature, which still requires a level of either skill or power to take down. Most Beings wouldn't be able to, simply because they'd get Ginsu'd by the wings. A Being would need a great deal of training to be able to do it. A Creature, granted, would have a much easier time, having at least theoretical access to advantages Beings just don't have. However, just because they fight like a drunk in a bar fight doesn't mean they aren't dangerous.
Having said that, it does seem that this particular Cubi, the moment he got into a fight... 8) lost his head
YYEEAAAAAAAAAAAA!!! (http://instantrimshot.com/index.php?sound=csi&play=true) (auditory warning on link: establish volume control before clicking, not suitable for work environments)
Quote from: Prroul on April 22, 2012, 02:42:35 PM
Is the clan symbol missing? That was Hizell's MO. If the clan symbol is missing, I'd say yes. But if it is still there... then probably not. Not enough information yet.
It's possible the victim's clan mark was on the head.
Quote from: Tapewolf on April 22, 2012, 05:19:41 PM
Quote from: Prroul on April 22, 2012, 02:42:35 PM
Is the clan symbol missing? That was Hizell's MO. If the clan symbol is missing, I'd say yes. But if it is still there... then probably not. Not enough information yet.
It's possible the victim's clan mark was on the head.
it's also possible that our team here hasn't got much knowledge of cubi clan markings. it doesn't seem to be particularly common information, especially amoung adventurers. they may be unaware of clan markings entirely and so may overlook that vital clue. it's also possible they simply haven't examined the body yet. they seem to be focusing more on the scene than the corpse. really the person who would notice the marking missing fastest would be a family member, and they may not be in a mental state where they've really *looked* yet.
ultimately i'm throwing in for the large part with tapewolf on this entire scenario. dragon killin'z.
since there is a kid involved, and the kid was spared, we can guess the kid likely hasn't got any wings/cubi inheritance. this is backed up by the fact that "anti creature cult" was a theory. to support that theory, only the creatures in the household would be dead - meaning the mother and kid must be beings.
which would seem to imply that the father's clan had no leader? leaderless cubi clans seem to be a weaker strain, geneticly, and have less of a chance of having cubi offspring even if they are in relationships with beings. suggesting the 'weaker' cubi are being picked off first.
i also don't see why fa'lina wouldn't also allow for beings or mixed-creature parties to look into the murders for her. she's friends with many different creatures (fae, mythos), raised a dragon, and has beings teach at her academy. i imagine if she felt beings optimum for the investigation, she'd involve them. an all cubi team could be a disadvantage in this scenario, really. beings or other creatures may be able to access certain areas or information more freely than 'cubi. not to mention the overly emotional cubi would probably not be your first choice for forensics work. a bit too much mulder, and not enough scully, y'know?
apologies for the lack of linky citation and general ramblings. exhaustion's causing me to type uncontrollably, it seems.
gah, shoot me. double post.
Quote from: icarus on April 22, 2012, 08:30:16 PM
since there is a kid involved, and the kid was spared, we can guess the kid likely hasn't got any wings/cubi inheritance. this is backed up by the fact that "anti creature cult" was a theory. to support that theory, only the creatures in the household would be dead - meaning the mother and kid must be beings.
It could be that the kid is too young for any possible Cubi traits to have manifested themselves. Cubi traits simply appear over the top of the creature/being in question sometime during their twenties.
And even the weakest Cubi would likely be more powerful than a being, the kid is likely a Cubi/being half-breed (I don't really like that term, but can not think of anything else to use...) which is too young for the Cubi traits to be present.
Of couse, if a dragon is the one doing the killing, they would most likely know this...
well there *is* a dmfa character whose parents were a cubi+being but didn't become one themselves. but i think if i say any more i'll be fed to a chain chomp, if y'know what i mean.
I really don't think cubi half breeds are possible, as Amber stated, it's Either a cubi or not, it is discovered in 20-30 years of age of the individual.
What I *might* imagine if we push the boundries of 'cubi genes staying dormant but re-emerging later on...
hmm, all this talk about breeds makes me wonder about evolution in Furrae. ( "On" Furrae?)
It seems logical that beings would be subject to it. But are creatures?
Is it the same process as with beings? Or do they have "magical evolution" ?
Quote from: icarus on April 23, 2012, 09:08:35 AM
well there *is* a dmfa character whose parents were a cubi+being but didn't become one themselves. but i think if i say any more i'll be fed to a chain chomp, if y'know what i mean.
But Alexsi's mother was an Amazon, not a 'cubi...
Quote from: psilorder on April 23, 2012, 07:10:29 PM
hmm, all this talk about breeds makes me wonder about evolution in Furrae. ( "On" Furrae?)
It seems logical that beings would be subject to it. But are creatures?
Is it the same process as with beings? Or do they have "magical evolution" ?
*ksst* Here, hold this can of worms for me real quick. *runs really fast the other way*
There were some theories of that nature concerning Devin.
Quote from: Nocturne of Night on April 23, 2012, 07:33:21 PM
Quote from: icarus on April 23, 2012, 09:08:35 AM
well there *is* a dmfa character whose parents were a cubi+being but didn't become one themselves. but i think if i say any more i'll be fed to a chain chomp, if y'know what i mean.
But Alexsi's mother was an Amazon, not a 'cubi...
did i say alexsi?
i don't believe i
ever said alexsi...
I honestly can't believe that the 'suicide theory' is being debated so strongly... :.
Quote from: joshofspam on April 20, 2012, 12:13:06 PM
Very interesting how the adventurers here are investigating this murder. They seem far more professional about it then the group just checking in at lost lake. Though just checking something is far less serious then a murder investigation.
My guess is it's because they're a guild on an official job, likely with ties to the official legal enforcement of Zinvth/Furrae.
Quote from: Silverling on April 20, 2012, 12:58:23 PM
Quote from: Naldru on April 20, 2012, 05:59:09 AM
Another possibility is that Wildy is writing another novel.
So is this going to be like Castle only with Widly?
Except that she plays both Castle and Beckett.
Quote from: Ignuus66 on April 20, 2012, 02:10:00 PM
Also I really like the magic effects of wildy's magic, but I'm wondering what she's casting....
Archival Magic, perhaps? And, looking for trace elements of blood splatter, cleaning agents, magical residue, and chemicals/drugs?
Quote from: icarus on April 22, 2012, 08:30:16 PM
since there is a kid involved, and the kid was spared, we can guess the kid likely hasn't got any wings/cubi inheritance. this is backed up by the fact that "anti creature cult" was a theory. to support that theory, only the creatures in the household would be dead - meaning the mother and kid must be beings.
which would seem to imply that the father's clan had no leader? leaderless cubi clans seem to be a weaker strain, geneticly, and have less of a chance of having cubi offspring even if they are in relationships with beings. suggesting the 'weaker' cubi are being picked off first.
As we can recall from Lorenda, back-wings don't necessarily have to be there at birth. Usually an individual either grows with them from birth, or they "pop" at full-size in their adult-hood.
And as stated, there is no such thing as a "half-Cubi" (no skipping a generation!) a child either is or is not.
Quote from: icarus on April 24, 2012, 06:50:39 AM
Quote from: Nocturne of Night on April 23, 2012, 07:33:21 PM
Quote from: icarus on April 23, 2012, 09:08:35 AM
well there *is* a dmfa character whose parents were a cubi+being but didn't become one themselves. but i think if i say any more i'll be fed to a chain chomp, if y'know what i mean.
But Alexsi's mother was an Amazon, not a 'cubi...
did i say alexsi?
i don't believe i ever said alexsi...
You're saying Aniz is involved, somehow, aren't you?
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v625/Turnsky/Sketches/anizmeme.jpg)
Protip: Aniz actually fathered Alexsi from beyond the grave.
Quote from: Sienna Maiu - M T on April 24, 2012, 07:14:04 AM
Protip: Aniz actually fathered Alexsi from beyond the grave.
like being a little dead's stopped anyone. :P
Now that everyone is talking crazy theories time to help out one of my fave ones.
*conspiracy Aniz is actually dan's father time >:3*
Well the most people say that this theory is improbably because Alexsi is not a cubi..
Also they say that Aniz was killed, but as was Alexsi's mother.
What I theorize, is that Edward and Alexsi's mother went adventuring, but When they met Aniz, he killed them both (don't forget Aniz was an Adventurer for 25 years too, and he is a cubi after all) and took Edward's place (thus Alexsi was not a cubi. but an unknowing orphan) Then "edward" suddenly quit being an Adventurer and started an Inn, (possibly to wait out the time until he could enter a child into Saia, while feeding off the emotions of the Drunk.) Now Destinia, having somehow known the location of Aniz, goes off to lost lake to kill him, but instead of killing him, she ends up forgiving him.. And you people can fill in the rest of the blanks.
This would explain the reaction when Ink prodded Abel by saying Dan is the son of Ti'fiona in the cubi emotion test, and considering Fa'lina told aniz that the next Descendant will be only be able to come to the academy when abel is 400, and he is almost 400, also Abel and Dan *DO* act like brothers
*normal mode*
The above theory has a 0.0001 percent chance of being correct in any way, and is completely stupid. :mowcookie
Quote from: Sienna Maiu - M T on April 24, 2012, 07:04:34 AM
Quote from: icarus on April 22, 2012, 08:30:16 PM
since there is a kid involved, and the kid was spared, we can guess the kid likely hasn't got any wings/cubi inheritance. this is backed up by the fact that "anti creature cult" was a theory. to support that theory, only the creatures in the household would be dead - meaning the mother and kid must be beings.
which would seem to imply that the father's clan had no leader? leaderless cubi clans seem to be a weaker strain, geneticly, and have less of a chance of having cubi offspring even if they are in relationships with beings. suggesting the 'weaker' cubi are being picked off first.
As we can recall from Lorenda, back-wings don't necessarily have to be there at birth. Usually an individual either grows with them from birth, or they "pop" at full-size in their adult-hood.
huh, i thought that was only for demons/angels :o so far all the cubi we've encountered in the story have been born with their first set of wings - kind of like dragons.
methinks we need the word of god on this 'who is born with wings and who is not' scenario. it shouldn't spoil the plot in any way if we know.
Quote from: Ignuus66 on April 24, 2012, 08:20:35 AM
Well the most people say that this theory is improbably because Alexsi is not a cubi..
Also they say that Aniz was killed, but as was Alexsi's mother.
So, what I'm hearing you say is... Quintinga is actually Aniz. And Aniz is Alexis' mother?
Quote from: icarus on April 24, 2012, 08:39:28 AM
huh, i thought that was only for demons/angels :o so far all the cubi we've encountered in the story have been born with their first set of wings - kind of like dragons.
It's hard to say... just because a certain (unknown?) character from Abel's Story abandoned their child upon not seeing any signs of (cubi?) lineage at birth, does not necessarily mean that said character had all of the pertaining data to that situation. As far as we know, the 'popping of wings' could apply to all creatures, and not just demons/angels (not to ignore that 'cubi are jokingly referred to as a cross-breed of those two races to begin with...), on top of which, based on Lorenda; new variations of gene-expression can occur, based on 'new' magic, technology, and parentage.
Quotemethinks we need the word of god on this 'who is born with wings and who is not' scenario. it shouldn't spoil the plot in any way if we know.
It might.
Quote from: Sienna Maiu - M T on April 24, 2012, 08:49:02 AM
Quote from: Ignuus66 on April 24, 2012, 08:20:35 AM
Well the most people say that this theory is improbably because Alexsi is not a cubi..
Also they say that Aniz was killed, but as was Alexsi's mother.
So, what I'm hearing you say is... Quintinga is actually Aniz. And Aniz is Alexis' mother?
No, what I meant is that Aniz killed Quintinga and Edward, and took Edward's place and reported that Quin "killed"Aniz but died herself...
Don't make me tearoom this thread. Seriously.
Quote from: Mao Laoren on April 24, 2012, 12:21:58 PM
Don't make me tearoom this thread. Seriously.
All is going according to plan! :U *dons tin foil cap* (we need an smilie for that)
ok! rerail time, somehow I don't think this group is related to Zinvth officials, they seem to be a group of private detectives, considering that they all seem to regard the Wolf as the leader and they seem to be on "know each other" terms.
Quote from: icarus on April 24, 2012, 08:39:28 AM
methinks we need the word of god on this 'who is born with wings and who is not' scenario. it shouldn't spoil the plot in any way if we know.
You're lucky you're so purdy since normally I would get annoyed by getting a call-out. :B
As for the wings/no wings. I did generally have it that wings are a feature that tends to primarily exist on creatures, though there are exceptions that apply. Much like bright colours, wings tend to be a trait associated with magic...so from time to time a being has been born with wings or bright colours even though they themselves will spend their entire lives as a being. As for Lorenda, her wings are stunted and may be the result of long-term effects of Kria using a magical amulet to hide her own wings for centuries, including the time she was pregnant with Lorenda. But that's still up for its own debate.
As for Cubi, which is probably the main reason for asking. The vast vast vaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaast majority of the time when a child is born that will one day become a Cubi, they are born with wings. In some ways this is the best sign for a Cubi parent that their kidling will become a Cubi when they get an adult. Though it has happened very rarely that they do in fact just end up being a being with wings. EVEN MORE RARE, and I'm only mentioning this now because god knows someone will ask despite this probably opening up a can of worms, a child born without wings can become a Cubi. But this is really really REALLY uncommon and only happens in clans that have no clan leader. (How rare? Well at the time in DMFA current, there aren't any about and there probably wont be any during the run of the comic) The end result is usually a Cubi that only has the headwings, no backwings at all. Which tends to put them at a really big disadvantage to other Cubi since the backwings have a big use of being extra mass that allows for a lot of their shapechanging abilities to work well.
But to beat around a proverbial bush, I'm assuming the insinuating is that Devin had possibly a Cubi father (and that that father was possibly Aniz). I neither confirm nor deny these implications...as I cannot deny that part of the story there was ambiguous at best. Because I'm evil.
Now git off mah lawn. :U
Quote from: Amber Williams on April 24, 2012, 02:54:46 PM
Quote from: icarus on April 24, 2012, 08:39:28 AM
methinks we need the word of god on this 'who is born with wings and who is not' scenario. it shouldn't spoil the plot in any way if we know.
-big snip-
But to beat around a proverbial bush, I'm assuming the insinuating is that Devin had possibly a Cubi father (and that that father was possibly Aniz). I neither confirm nor deny these implications...as I cannot deny that part of the story there was ambiguous at best. Because I'm evil.
You really enjoy creating arguments that will eventually end up in the tearooms, don't you :P
Good thing i already have my Aluminum cap prepped and ready!
Also the amount of spinoffs makeable off of DMFA just jumped by 10 fold.
Quote from: Amber Williams on April 24, 2012, 02:54:46 PM
Quote from: icarus on April 24, 2012, 08:39:28 AM
methinks we need the word of god on this 'who is born with wings and who is not' scenario. it shouldn't spoil the plot in any way if we know.
You're lucky you're so purdy since normally I would get annoyed by getting a call-out. :B
As for the wings/no wings. I did generally have it that wings are a feature that tends to primarily exist on creatures, though there are exceptions that apply. Much like bright colours, wings tend to be a trait associated with magic...so from time to time a being has been born with wings or bright colours even though they themselves will spend their entire lives as a being. As for Lorenda, her wings are stunted and may be the result of long-term effects of Kria using a magical amulet to hide her own wings for centuries, including the time she was pregnant with Lorenda. But that's still up for its own debate.
As for Cubi, which is probably the main reason for asking. The vast vast vaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaast majority of the time when a child is born that will one day become a Cubi, they are born with wings. In some ways this is the best sign for a Cubi parent that their kidling will become a Cubi when they get an adult. Though it has happened very rarely that they do in fact just end up being a being with wings. EVEN MORE RARE, and I'm only mentioning this now because god knows someone will ask despite this probably opening up a can of worms, a child born without wings can become a Cubi. But this is really really REALLY uncommon and only happens in clans that have no clan leader. (How rare? Well at the time in DMFA current, there aren't any about and there probably wont be any during the run of the comic) The end result is usually a Cubi that only has the headwings, no backwings at all. Which tends to put them at a really big disadvantage to other Cubi since the backwings have a big use of being extra mass that allows for a lot of their shapechanging abilities to work well.
But to beat around a proverbial bush, I'm assuming the insinuating is that Devin had possibly a Cubi father (and that that father was possibly Aniz). I neither confirm nor deny these implications...as I cannot deny that part of the story there was ambiguous at best. Because I'm evil.
Now git off mah lawn. :U
I FEEL VINDICATED
ALSO PRETTY
so to bring this full circle, the chances are the kid in the house hasn't got wings, neither has the mom, and hence the rest of the family was given a skip because they're not the intended target. which reaffirms the theory that this is one of the dragon killin'z going on.
wildy is probably the one person in this group with the most knowledge specific to cubi at this point. in addition to her time at the academy where she learned about cubi, she's had ample time to observe not just dan and abel but also aary. she was even present when abel was painting over dan's clan marking, so it's probable that if a clan marking were missing, she'd be the one to pick up on it (if anyone does).
remind me not to make jokes like this again, it obviously leads to disasters of steve erkel proportions.
"Did i do that?"
:B
Quote from: icarus on April 24, 2012, 03:50:07 PM
Quote from: Amber Williams on April 24, 2012, 02:54:46 PM
Quote from: icarus on April 24, 2012, 08:39:28 AM
-snip-
-big snip-
so to bring this full circle, the chances are the kid in the house hasn't got wings, neither has the mom, and hence the rest of the family was given a skip because they're not the intended target. which reaffirms the theory that this is one of the dragon killin'z going on.
wildy is probably the one person in this group with the most knowledge specific to cubi at this point. in addition to her time at the academy where she learned about cubi, she's had ample time to observe not just dan and abel but also aary. she was even present when abel was painting over dan's clan marking, so it's probable that if a clan marking were missing, she'd be the one to pick up on it (if anyone does).
Don't forget that wildy probably doesn't know the specific way how hizell kills his cubi targets, plus she probably doesn't know about the specific clans a clan mark means you are in.
Also I'm finding it more likely that the kid had wings, but was away/ wasn't a mature cubi yet and hizell only targeted the ones who know of destinia (and the kid doesn't)
I'm more or less calling on the kid being away, and Hizell can't be bothered hunting down a "non enemy" clan 9enemy clans include Sair and Cyra)
I was thinking of shouting "dibs on creating a Cubi character without back wings!" - but that would be more than a little fanboi-ish, and likely get me smited big time....
This thread is soo getting tearoomed. :P
Quote from: Plotting on April 25, 2012, 08:19:51 AM
This thread is soo getting tearoomed. :P
Agreed, I'll get tea and a few more Tin foil hats ready. Anyone got any biscuits?
Quote from: Ignuus66 on April 24, 2012, 10:01:48 AM
Quote from: Sienna Maiu - M T on April 24, 2012, 08:49:02 AM
Quote from: Ignuus66 on April 24, 2012, 08:20:35 AM
Well the most people say that this theory is improbably because Alexsi is not a cubi..
Also they say that Aniz was killed, but as was Alexsi's mother.
So, what I'm hearing you say is... Aniz is Alexsi's mother.
No, what I meant is that Aniz killed Quintinga and Edward, and took Edward's place and reported that Quin "killed"Aniz but died herself...
That was a joke. I was joookiiing~.
Quote from: Amber Williams on April 24, 2012, 02:54:46 PM
As for Cubi, which is probably the main reason for asking. The vast vast vaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaast majority of the time when a child is born that will one day become a Cubi, they are born with wings. In some ways this is the best sign for a Cubi parent that their kidling will become a Cubi when they get an adult. Though it has happened very rarely that they do in fact just end up being a being with wings. EVEN MORE RARE, and I'm only mentioning this now because god knows someone will ask despite this probably opening up a can of worms, a child born without wings can become a Cubi. But this is really really REALLY uncommon and only happens in clans that have no clan leader. (How rare? Well at the time in DMFA current, there aren't any about and there probably wont be any during the run of the comic) The end result is usually a Cubi that only has the headwings, no backwings at all. Which tends to put them at a really big disadvantage to other Cubi since the backwings have a big use of being extra mass that allows for a lot of their shapechanging abilities to work well.
But to beat around a proverbial bush, I'm assuming the insinuating is that Devin had possibly a Cubi father (and that that father was possibly Aniz). I neither confirm nor deny these implications...as I cannot deny that part of the story there was ambiguous at best. Because I'm evil.
Aniz didn't have a Clan Leader >.>
QuoteNow git off mah lawn. :U
but it's so nice and cushy here :<
Quote from: icarus on April 24, 2012, 03:50:07 PM
wildy is probably the one person in this group with the most knowledge specific to cubi at this point. in addition to her time at the academy where she learned about cubi, she's had ample time to observe not just dan and abel but also aary. she was even present when abel was painting over dan's clan marking, so it's probable that if a clan marking were missing, she'd be the one to pick up on it (if anyone does).
A fine point!
However, one also must keep in mind that a Clan Marking will only appear on a 'Cubi who actively uses magic. While Dan was a bit of an exception as far as this goes (and the symbol appeared rather quickly after only one highly intensive battle [and what the geeze, how the heck did he have such a quick grasp of magic anyway, given he'd never practiced?]), there could be plenty of other 'Cubi who lived as essentially wing'ed,long-life'd beings.
Furthermore, initial analysis wouldn't actually yield results as far as Clan Markings go, because they were very likely kept hidden, just as Abel did with Dan.
Quote from: Sienna Maiu - M T on April 25, 2012, 09:44:23 AM
Quote from: icarus on April 24, 2012, 03:50:07 PM
wildy is probably the one person in this group with the most knowledge specific to cubi at this point. in addition to her time at the academy where she learned about cubi, she's had ample time to observe not just dan and abel but also aary. she was even present when abel was painting over dan's clan marking, so it's probable that if a clan marking were missing, she'd be the one to pick up on it (if anyone does).
A fine point!
However, one also must keep in mind that a Clan Marking will only appear on a 'Cubi who actively uses magic. While Dan was a bit of an exception as far as this goes (and the symbol appeared rather quickly after only one highly intensive battle [and what the geeze, how the heck did he have such a quick grasp of magic anyway, given he'd never practiced?]), there could be plenty of other 'Cubi who lived as essentially wing'ed,long-life'd beings.
Furthermore, initial analysis wouldn't actually yield results as far as Clan Markings go, because they were very likely kept hidden, just as Abel did with Dan.
good point, but i was left somewhat under the impression that by and large, most creatures DO use magic in their daily lives. not always major stuff, but little things like "matchstick spells" to light the burner on the stove and whatnot. i could be wrong, but that's kinda the impression i took. it'd also explain why jyrras is concerning the creature council so much - his technology is effectively granting power to beings on level with the magic creatures can hold. but i digress!
since this is a 'cubi who was cut down, it's probable he spent some time at the academy himself. fa'lina seems to have a knack for tracking down 'cubi and taking care of their education- even if they were born before the academy was established. so unless this particular 'cubi actively refused any 'cubi training (like morphing, or creating clothing/armor - all magical!) he'd probably still have had a marking. even the daily task of hiding his headwings would probably be enough magic to bring a marking to light after a few years!
it's true that the markings might be painted over or hidden on the victim (ala dan's) but i'm also fairly sure that wildy's magical room examining technique will bring it to light, so to speak. abel has said that they glow brighter when hit with magic - a quick pass of any kind of spell over the corpse would cause the marking to glow by that logic :o unless the markings stop reacting when the owner is dead, which is possible as well.
Quote from: Ignuus66
Don't forget that wildy probably doesn't know the specific way how hizell kills his cubi targets, plus she probably doesn't know about the specific clans a clan mark means you are in.
i think the real point of ignorance for wildy here is that she doesn't know WHY they're being killed, not how. whoever this killer is, they're killing by removing the heads. the specifics of what spells were used can be found out by cross-referencing this and the last murder. this case has "just gone serial" after all, which means there's a distinct pattern of behavior to the killings. that's what serial killing is, y'know.
finding out why is going to establish who. we as a forum already know why, or at least have good reason to believe we know why, and therefore have good reason to guess who the killer is (or at least who's masterminding the killings). our detectives are a few steps behind the audience in terms of the investigation ;3 but i'm sure that will be fixed in upcoming pages. after all, all they really need to start putting this together is that one big glaring outlyer of a clue! a missing clan marking would be just such a clue...
GUESS WHO LIKES FORENSICS :3c
Quote from: icarus on April 26, 2012, 10:20:57 AM
it's true that the markings might be painted over or hidden on the victim (ala dan's) but i'm also fairly sure that wildy's magical room examining technique will bring it to light, so to speak. abel has said that they glow brighter when hit with magic - a quick pass of any kind of spell over the corpse would cause the marking to glow by that logic :o unless the markings stop reacting when the owner is dead, which is possible as well.
I'm pretty sure they would be able to sense the magical residue of the clan mark, unless... it happens to be carved out of the body. D:
Quote from: Ignuus66 on April 26, 2012, 10:36:54 AM
Quote from: icarus on April 26, 2012, 10:20:57 AM
it's true that the markings might be painted over or hidden on the victim (ala dan's) but i'm also fairly sure that wildy's magical room examining technique will bring it to light, so to speak. abel has said that they glow brighter when hit with magic - a quick pass of any kind of spell over the corpse would cause the marking to glow by that logic :o unless the markings stop reacting when the owner is dead, which is possible as well.
I'm pretty sure they would be able to sense the magical residue of the clan mark, unless... it happens to be carved out of the body. D:
the only information i can find that would even remotely support the theory that clan markings have an inherit magical residue is abel's story pg 41 (http://missmab.com/Comics/Abel_41.php) when xander refers to his cousin owning a magical tattoo shop. even then, the wording is ambigious - the tattoos could be getting applied magically, vs abel's marking having a magical residue. i personally feel it refers to how the tattoos are applied, so i'm left wondering how/why you concluded clan markings have their own magical residue.
unless you are refering to a spell used to remove a clan marking, in which case a spell that powerful might leave a notable aura. if it does, i imagine they'd have noted it on their last case in this serial killing. so, IF they notice the clan marking is missing and IF they are aware of a magical residue from the spell used to remove it, that would point them in the direction of powerful magic users with 'cubi vendettas. not a very narrow suspect profile, but better than they've got currently.
Quote from: icarus on April 26, 2012, 05:27:37 PM
the only information i can find that would even remotely support the theory that clan markings have an inherit magical residue is abel's story pg 41 (http://missmab.com/Comics/Abel_41.php) when xander refers to his cousin owning a magical tattoo shop. even then, the wording is ambigious - the tattoos could be getting applied magically, vs abel's marking having a magical residue. i personally feel it refers to how the tattoos are applied, so i'm left wondering how/why you concluded clan markings have their own magical residue.
unless you are refering to a spell used to remove a clan marking, in which case a spell that powerful might leave a notable aura. if it does, i imagine they'd have noted it on their last case in this serial killing. so, IF they notice the clan marking is missing and IF they are aware of a magical residue from the spell used to remove it, that would point them in the direction of powerful magic users with 'cubi vendettas. not a very narrow suspect profile, but better than they've got currently.
To be fair, I think it's basically a conduit for a cubi's power, and sicne they can't shapeshift them or remove them away, and the appearence if it signifies a increase it power, it means it basically has a whole lot of magic flowing through it.
In my view, we as a forum have by and large simply decided to take this as true, but it does not by any means make it so.
I'm assuming that the assumption comes from what Mink said, but even that could just be an exaggerated rumour. Furthermore, if the circumstances
are true, this could be a case of an outside force attempting to instigate a new war.
Quote from: icarus on April 26, 2012, 05:27:37 PM
*snip*[...] xander refers to his cousin owning a magical tattoo shop. even then, the wording is ambigious - the tattoos could be getting applied magically, vs abel's marking having a magical residue. i personally feel it refers to how the tattoos are applied, so i'm left wondering how/why you concluded clan markings have their own magical residue. *snip*
Personally, I think it's a reference to the 'magical nature' of the tattoos, such as that they glow, morph/change shape or colour, or have some other 'special effect'.
Edit: And then there's the way I initially interpreted the strip the first time I read it; 'magical tattoos' implying that magic is used to allow the tattoo to show up through/in the fur and to not grow out as simply dying the fur would do.
It occurs to me to wonder if the head is removed as in detached, or removed as in run off with.
In the latter case, the clan mark may be on the removed part of the body...
Quote from: llearch n'n'daCorna on April 27, 2012, 11:16:45 AM
It occurs to me to wonder if the head is removed as in detached, or removed as in run off with.
In the latter case, the clan mark may be on the removed part of the body...
That wouldn't surprise me at all. It is also possible that the head was removed after the incubus was killed.
Quote from: Tapewolf on April 27, 2012, 01:28:30 PM
Quote from: llearch n'n'daCorna on April 27, 2012, 11:16:45 AM
It occurs to me to wonder if the head is removed as in detached, or removed as in run off with.
In the latter case, the clan mark may be on the removed part of the body...
That wouldn't surprise me at all. It is also possible that the head was removed after the incubus was killed.
Of coarse going by that process of thought and thinking about what Mink said about Piflak's daughter, why take the whole head and not simply remove the mark from the head and leave the head behind? :erk
Sure that might take a little more time to work out, but considering magic, tools and the time, it would seem a possible task. Or maybe the person involved likes to take his or hers time with such tasks?
Forgive me if this has been mentioned before. I didn't see it, but I'm reading and getting dressed for work at the same time, heh. But I wonder if this is just a little Uncle-Niece-together-time with Aliph and Regina. That, or Regina ignored DP's orders and took off for a therapeutic killing spree. Granted, she would probably be more open and dramatic, but perhaps she's trying to be off-the-radar.
In other news, the group leader is HOT! *drool*
-Tara
Quote from: Tarakona on April 28, 2012, 04:29:23 PM
In other news, the group leader is HOT! *drool*
Don't forget he is a Leader, and as amber stated, he has the "old man" problem, which probably means he is somehwere around 50.
I like tormenting people :mwaha !
Quote from: joshofspam on April 27, 2012, 03:22:54 PM
Quote from: Tapewolf on April 27, 2012, 01:28:30 PM
Quote from: llearch n'n'daCorna on April 27, 2012, 11:16:45 AM
It occurs to me to wonder if the head is removed as in detached, or removed as in run off with.
In the latter case, the clan mark may be on the removed part of the body...
That wouldn't surprise me at all. It is also possible that the head was removed after the incubus was killed.
Of coarse going by that process of thought and thinking about what Mink said about Piflak's daughter, why take the whole head and not simply remove the mark from the head and leave the head behind? :erk
Sure that might take a little more time to work out, but considering magic, tools and the time, it would seem a possible task. Or maybe the person involved likes to take his or hers time with such tasks?
Well, unless you are saying the magic was used so the mark could be removed without taking the skin and fur, it might be the head was taken to leave less evidence of what was done.
"why was this specific piece of skin and fur removed? it doesn't look it it was done by a weapon during the killing."
Quote from: psilorder on April 29, 2012, 01:16:32 PM
Quote from: joshofspam on April 27, 2012, 03:22:54 PM
Quote from: Tapewolf on April 27, 2012, 01:28:30 PM
Quote from: llearch n'n'daCorna on April 27, 2012, 11:16:45 AM
It occurs to me to wonder if the head is removed as in detached, or removed as in run off with.
In the latter case, the clan mark may be on the removed part of the body...
That wouldn't surprise me at all. It is also possible that the head was removed after the incubus was killed.
Of coarse going by that process of thought and thinking about what Mink said about Piflak's daughter, why take the whole head and not simply remove the mark from the head and leave the head behind? :erk
Sure that might take a little more time to work out, but considering magic, tools and the time, it would seem a possible task. Or maybe the person involved likes to take his or hers time with such tasks?
Well, unless you are saying the magic was used so the mark could be removed without taking the skin and fur, it might be the head was taken to leave less evidence of what was done.
"why was this specific piece of skin and fur removed? it doesn't look it it was done by a weapon during the killing."
Hmmmm...thing is, I seem to remember Fluffy mentioning in a Q@A that Wasn't a certain dragons wife was decapitated multiple times (that in itself makes me think his wife was either a mythos or a cubi with a tri-wing in her clan) by a twi-wing?
Odd how two murders thus far have all the indications of past things in the old cubi and dragon war. We don't even know if it was just two thus far.