01/24/10 [AS2 #88] - News of May and Aniz

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Keleth

I really don't see why Aniz would bother having children if he doesn't give a damn about their well being in general.

if you want more numbers for something like a personal army or a war. It's much more efficient to hire mercenaries or something of that nature. Unless it's something stupid involving politics which we know he has no flair for.

If he just wanted more children fro the sake of having children he could you know, just have kids without the whole sociopath thing going on.



And while we do not know what timescales can do. Overall trends do tend to happen, for example if you take a piece of rotten fruit and set it on a counter, it will continually rotten and become a disgusting pile of refuse.

If you take a shattered crystal and leave it by itself, it will not mend on it's own or with time.  Since Aniz is a shattered individual mentally and socially, and has the personality of a mad idiot. I can't see that doing anything but continually tread on it's path of breakdown.
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Bjalf

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Quote from: Drathorin on January 25, 2010, 11:49:33 AM
If he just wanted more children fro the sake of having children he could you know, just have kids without the whole sociopath thing going on.

I think he mostly wanted to revitalize his own clan. Wasn't it nearly extinct? And I don't think sociopaths see any problems with being sociopaths, so, no real reason to stop, er, sociopathing.
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Quote from: Drathorin on January 25, 2010, 11:49:33 AM
Overall trends do tend to happen, for example if you take a piece of rotten fruit and set it on a counter, it will continually rotten and become a disgusting pile of refuse.

If you take a shattered crystal and leave it by itself, it will not mend on it's own or with time.

Yeees, but Aniz is neither a fruit nor a crystal, nor did he go off to live in a vacuum. And he was too unpredictable even for Fa'Lina to foresee his actions, so for all that we know, he could well have turned into a male cubi equivalent of Mother Teresa.

Though she was arguably not firing on all cylinders, either, which makes the comparison strangely appropriate.   :U

Madd the Sane

Quote from: jeffh4 on January 25, 2010, 12:43:44 AM
Quote from: Arcblade on January 24, 2010, 09:08:19 PM
They made him cry again.  Any guesses on what sparked the tears?  Also, am I the only one to realize just now that Abel only has eight fingers, as per panel 2?
I'm pretty sure everyone in this comic has only 4 fingers per hand.  It works out well detail-wise for the artwork, plus this has saved Amber about 10 artist-months of her time from not drawing that extra finger over 1400+ comics!
It seems to be a Fur trait. I remember reading in Mab's Land that Cheets, being half human, has five fingers on each hand.
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Quote from: Bjalf on January 25, 2010, 01:07:17 PM
Quote from: Drathorin on January 25, 2010, 11:49:33 AM
If he just wanted more children fro the sake of having children he could you know, just have kids without the whole sociopath thing going on.

I think he mostly wanted to revitalize his own clan. Wasn't it nearly extinct? And I don't think sociopaths see any problems with being sociopaths, so, no real reason to stop, er, sociopathing.
:ferret
Yes, he is the last remaining member of his clan. Even though their are other survivors, they decided to switch clans forfiting all titles that go with the name of the clan, so Aniz has to rebuild on his own.

Quote from: Drathorin on January 25, 2010, 11:49:33 AM
I really don't see why Aniz would bother having children if he doesn't give a damn about their well being in general.
It's not that he doesn't care about Abel's well being, he just lost control of himself.

Lego3400

Quote from: Madd the Sane on January 25, 2010, 01:30:16 PM
Quote from: jeffh4 on January 25, 2010, 12:43:44 AM
Quote from: Arcblade on January 24, 2010, 09:08:19 PM
They made him cry again.  Any guesses on what sparked the tears?  Also, am I the only one to realize just now that Abel only has eight fingers, as per panel 2?
I'm pretty sure everyone in this comic has only 4 fingers per hand.  It works out well detail-wise for the artwork, plus this has saved Amber about 10 artist-months of her time from not drawing that extra finger over 1400+ comics!
It seems to be a Fur trait. I remember reading in Mab's Land that Cheets, being half human, has five fingers on each hand.

Food for thought. Comic amber only has 4 fingers as well....

Keleth

Quote from: Lego3400 on January 25, 2010, 03:40:55 PM
Quote from: Madd the Sane on January 25, 2010, 01:30:16 PM
Quote from: jeffh4 on January 25, 2010, 12:43:44 AM
Quote from: Arcblade on January 24, 2010, 09:08:19 PM
They made him cry again.  Any guesses on what sparked the tears?  Also, am I the only one to realize just now that Abel only has eight fingers, as per panel 2?
I'm pretty sure everyone in this comic has only 4 fingers per hand.  It works out well detail-wise for the artwork, plus this has saved Amber about 10 artist-months of her time from not drawing that extra finger over 1400+ comics!
It seems to be a Fur trait. I remember reading in Mab's Land that Cheets, being half human, has five fingers on each hand.

Food for thought. Comic amber only has 4 fingers as well....

That's because she is a Fraggle. Which has been explained once prior.

Quote from: iceick on January 25, 2010, 01:35:34 PM
It's not that he doesn't care about Abel's well being, he just lost control of himself.

Right, because lying to your offspring, then not caring about their other parent. And then never seeing him again and not giving him a choice in what he wants to do with his life. Is a great parental trait right?
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iceick

Quote from: Drathorin on January 25, 2010, 04:07:05 PM
Quote from: iceick on January 25, 2010, 01:35:34 PM
It's not that he doesn't care about Abel's well being, he just lost control of himself.

Right, because lying to your offspring, then not caring about their other parent. And then never seeing him again and not giving him a choice in what he wants to do with his life. Is a great parental trait right?
Well, if Destania wasn't there Aniz would have stayed at SAIA for at least 100 years. And besides he did have a speech all planned out to try to make it seem not so bad, but when it came time to give it, he forgot what to say.

Bjalf

Quote from: Drathorin on January 25, 2010, 04:07:05 PM
Right, because lying to your offspring
All parents do this. No exceptions.

Quote from: Drathorin on January 25, 2010, 04:07:05 PM
then not caring about their other parent
Most divorced parents do this.

Quote from: Drathorin on January 25, 2010, 04:07:05 PM
And then never seeing him again
I'm not sure that was Aniz's choice.

Quote from: Drathorin on January 25, 2010, 04:07:05 PM
not giving him a choice in what he wants to do with his life
Most parents tend to plan the life of their offspring to surprising detail before they are old enough to walk or talk.

Quote from: Drathorin on January 25, 2010, 04:07:05 PM
Is a great parental trait right?
No, it's not. But it is perfectly possible to care for one's offspring and still be a bad parent. The problem was that Aniz cared only for Abel, the rest of the world was just a means to an end. Abuse the world, get a son. Not nice, but it works.

iceick

'Tis true in so many families (including mine :mowsad) and ways.

Shachza

Quote from: Drathorin on January 25, 2010, 11:49:33 AM
I really don't see why Aniz would bother having children if he doesn't give a damn about their well being in general.

if you want more numbers for something like a personal army or a war. It's much more efficient to hire mercenaries or something of that nature. Unless it's something stupid involving politics which we know he has no flair for.

If he just wanted more children fro the sake of having children he could you know, just have kids without the whole sociopath thing going on.

I've been thinking about this a lot.  I think he simply wants to repopulate his clan to regain whatever feeling/power having a Triwing leader gives 'cubis.  Considering the length of his exile I'd bet he's got at least half a dozen young and uneducated children with him who he plans to foist on Fa'lina all at once as soon as the ban is up.  What I doubt he's considered is that if he succeeds then he's the most likely candidate to be the clan's Triwing, which would leave him the leader of a weak, young, and largely deluded clan.  I say deluded because I'm sure any child who he spends time with will recieve a liberal dose of "our clan is a great and noble one fallen on hard times, but with my help we can rise again."

Especially since I believe he's lacking the knowledge of HOW to ascend properly.
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Keleth

Quote from: Bjalf on January 25, 2010, 04:57:11 PM
No, it's not. But it is perfectly possible to care for one's offspring and still be a bad parent. The problem was that Aniz cared only for Abel, the rest of the world was just a means to an end. Abuse the world, get a son. Not nice, but it works.

Sure it's possible to care for your offspring and be a bad parent.

Problem is that he doesn't care about Abel. Abel is the means to whatever he wants.

Quote from: Shachza on January 25, 2010, 08:05:44 PM
Quote from: Drathorin on January 25, 2010, 11:49:33 AM
I really don't see why Aniz would bother having children if he doesn't give a damn about their well being in general.

if you want more numbers for something like a personal army or a war. It's much more efficient to hire mercenaries or something of that nature. Unless it's something stupid involving politics which we know he has no flair for.

If he just wanted more children fro the sake of having children he could you know, just have kids without the whole sociopath thing going on.

I've been thinking about this a lot.  I think he simply wants to repopulate his clan to regain whatever feeling/power having a Triwing leader gives 'cubis.  Considering the length of his exile I'd bet he's got at least half a dozen young and uneducated children with him who he plans to foist on Fa'lina all at once as soon as the ban is up.  What I doubt he's considered is that if he succeeds then he's the most likely candidate to be the clan's Triwing, which would leave him the leader of a weak, young, and largely deluded clan.  I say deluded because I'm sure any child who he spends time with will recieve a liberal dose of "our clan is a great and noble one fallen on hard times, but with my help we can rise again."

Especially since I believe he's lacking the knowledge of HOW to ascend properly.


. . . . .

You know what? No. Just no.
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Shachza

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iceick

Are you sure you really want to know what Drathorin has on his mind.

Jasonrevall

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Quote from: Drathorin on January 25, 2010, 09:59:46 PM

Quote from: Shachza on January 25, 2010, 08:05:44 PM
Quote from: Drathorin on January 25, 2010, 11:49:33 AM
I really don't see why Aniz would bother having children if he doesn't give a damn about their well being in general.

if you want more numbers for something like a personal army or a war. It's much more efficient to hire mercenaries or something of that nature. Unless it's something stupid involving politics which we know he has no flair for.

If he just wanted more children fro the sake of having children he could you know, just have kids without the whole sociopath thing going on.

I've been thinking about this a lot.  I think he simply wants to repopulate his clan to regain whatever feeling/power having a Triwing leader gives 'cubis.  Considering the length of his exile I'd bet he's got at least half a dozen young and uneducated children with him who he plans to foist on Fa'lina all at once as soon as the ban is up.  What I doubt he's considered is that if he succeeds then he's the most likely candidate to be the clan's Triwing, which would leave him the leader of a weak, young, and largely deluded clan.  I say deluded because I'm sure any child who he spends time with will recieve a liberal dose of "our clan is a great and noble one fallen on hard times, but with my help we can rise again."

Especially since I believe he's lacking the knowledge of HOW to ascend properly.


. . . . .

You know what? No. Just no.

I think Aniz would make a good supervillain type character. He could become like the shadows. Hunting those who stand in the way of his clan's rise to power. And maybe eventually becoming the leader.

**Edit** ooo or better yet, he has some kind of power like twisted children or some kind of faction and he becomes a temporary ally to our heroes because of the council or dragons pulling something.
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Keleth

#44
Quote from: Jasonrevall on January 25, 2010, 11:30:32 PM
I think Aniz would make a good supervillain type character. He could become like the shadows. Hunting those who stand in the way of his clan's rise to power. And maybe eventually becoming the leader.

**Edit** ooo or better yet, he has some kind of power like twisted children or some kind of faction and he becomes a temporary ally to our heroes because of the council or dragons pulling something.

Actually that sounds marvelous. It could be a 3 part epic that involves love, betrayal and his life turning upside down. Why don't you take a minute, just sit right there and I'll tell you how Aniz became the prince of a town called Bel-Air.

Edit: It'd be so much more impressive if you'd remembered to snip the excess.
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AmigaDragon

Quote from: John Roh on January 25, 2010, 04:58:48 AM
for Aniz to bring a kid on the day of Abels 400th birthday wouldnt he have to allready have had a kid some years ago?.

Fa'Lina only banned Aniz from enrolling more kids in SAIA for 376 years, not from having more kids in that time.
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Shachza

Quote from: AmigaDragon on January 26, 2010, 11:32:03 PM
Quote from: John Roh on January 25, 2010, 04:58:48 AM
for Aniz to bring a kid on the day of Abels 400th birthday wouldnt he have to allready have had a kid some years ago?.

Fa'Lina only banned Aniz from enrolling more kids in SAIA for 376 years, not from having more kids in that time.

This is what I think he has done.  He wants his clan back, and everything else be damned.  I doubt he'd wait nearly 400 years just because Fa'lina put an end to his first plan.  And this is why I think he's most likely, though least capable, of pulling off the "new Tri-wing" bit.  He's the one who's going through the motions, but without access to Saia he can't develop the skill.  I'm not saying I expect him to ascend, I'm just saying he's the one trying even if it's futile for him to do so.

Abel would certainly be infinitely more capable, but he doesn't seem to have the inclination, and I doubt the disinclined have any shot of ascending.
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Royden

I have a question about a theory regarding the whole Aniz/Edward thing. Really, Aniz hasn't been mentioned in the main comic, and with Ink stating about Able caring for Dan's welfare because he was Edward's son... if he was Aniz trying to keep it secret, then no one would know the importance there.  That seems to me then that Destania would know if he really was Aniz. From what I remember about Edward and Aniz's disguise is both were adventurers.

Despite being a long shot, that leads up to my question. Has anyone considered that Aniz tried the switch, and Edward happened to win that little situation? It could certainly explain why Able is cares about Dan. Plus in some small way, it's just what I expect the most to happen.

This is what happens when I let my brain ferret loose on a topic... :ferret

Tapewolf

Quote from: Royden on January 27, 2010, 12:48:40 PM
I have a question about a theory regarding the whole Aniz/Edward thing. Really, Aniz hasn't been mentioned in the main comic, and with Ink stating about Able caring for Dan's welfare because he was Edward's son... if he was Aniz trying to keep it secret, then no one would know the importance there.

Unless some of the folks at SAIA know what name Aniz had adopted.  For instance, if Destania discovered his location (via Biggs' ancestors?) and her 'mission' was to eradicate him, it's entirely possible she left some clues behind.  Which would probably have caused quite a stir when it later emerged that she'd married him  :P

QuoteThat seems to me then that Destania would know if he really was Aniz. From what I remember about Edward and Aniz's disguise is both were adventurers.

Well, strip 298 is pretty much dead-on what Destania would try to do to Aniz if she caught him.  It's not 100% impossible that they got back together afterwards.  It may have started out as some kind of anti-Dragon pact that became more serious.

QuoteDespite being a long shot, that leads up to my question. Has anyone considered that Aniz tried the switch, and Edward happened to win that little situation? It could certainly explain why Able is cares about Dan. Plus in some small way, it's just what I expect the most to happen.

Yeah, that's one of the main competing theories.

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Regarding clan rebuilding it seems that Destania  isn't in a rush to rebuilt her clan, despite it having only three members at present. Admittedly its easier to do that sort of thing as a man, perhaps the pressure will be one Dan soon enough.
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Keleth

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llearch n'n'daCorna

Quote from: MT Hazard on January 27, 2010, 07:17:29 PM
Regarding clan rebuilding it seems that Destania  isn't in a rush to rebuilt her clan, despite it having only three members at present. Admittedly its easier to do that sort of thing as a man, perhaps the pressure will be one Dan soon enough.

Only three that we know of. There might be more around, just not young ones.
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Quote from: llearch n'n'daCorna on January 28, 2010, 09:59:56 AM
Only three two that we know of. There might be more around, just not young ones.

Fixed that for ya. :3

Keleth

Quote from: Amber Williams on January 28, 2010, 10:58:45 AM
Quote from: llearch n'n'daCorna on January 28, 2010, 09:59:56 AM
Only three two that we know of. There might be more around, just not young ones.

Fixed that for ya. :3


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Bjalf

Wait, there's Dan, Destania, and ... Cyra? Or is there another third that we're not supposed to talk about?

MT Hazard

Quote from: Bjalf on January 28, 2010, 11:16:31 AM
Wait, there's Dan, Destania, and ... Cyra? Or is there another third that we're not supposed to talk about?

Two clan members plus one clan founder I guess.
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Tapewolf

Quote from: MT Hazard on January 28, 2010, 11:48:00 AM
Two clan members plus one clan founder I guess.

The alternatives get a bit bizarre.  I will not enumerate them as they are too spaced out, even for me.

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AriRashkae

Quote from: Bjalf on January 28, 2010, 11:16:31 AM
Wait, there's Dan, Destania, and ... Cyra? Or is there another third that we're not supposed to talk about?


:chrono2  :wakes up: Unless Cyra herself doesn't count because she is the Clan, in a sense. Or Dan hallucinated the whole thing. Given that Abel didn't seem surprised when Dan's mark appeared, I lean more to the former. After all, Dan's mark is Cyra.

Or Amber's just screwin' with our heads again.  :mowdizzy

And just to toss my hat into the Edward=Aniz ring (more 'cuz I'm bored and my mind's wandering than having an actual opinion  ;) ), perhaps Aniz is in something that's more like Witness Protection, Cubi style, that lets him appear as a being. That would neatly explain how the dragons don't pick up on him being Cubi, since that's not exactly something they'd want common knowledge. After all, Cyra's clan abilities let people hide in plain sight, essentially.

:goamber

:goes back to sleep while she can:
:chrono2

Arcblade

Quote from: MT Hazard on January 28, 2010, 11:48:00 AM
Quote from: Bjalf on January 28, 2010, 11:16:31 AM
Wait, there's Dan, Destania, and ... Cyra? Or is there another third that we're not supposed to talk about?

Two clan members plus one clan founder I guess.

I hope that's it, because if it isn't, I'm going to have to go hide in a corner, thoroughly confused.  Related question:  have we seen Destania's clan mark?  ...it might not matter, since Cyra makes it seem like she's still part of the clan.  

AirRashkae: per the Edward/Aniz thing, I think it's mentioned in-comic that he's in stasis right now, and that the dragons have him.  Call me crazy, but I think they'd have figured out if he was a Cubi by now if he was.  :P