[Rant] Moral: Expectations lead to disappointment.

[Naldru]

Llearch, I would love to know how you would do this, please elaborate.

Secretively.

There are ways of making your computer talk.

[llearch n'n'daCorna]

Secretively.

There are ways of making your computer talk.

Which computer, though?

[Keleth]

Llearch, I would love to know how you would do this, please elaborate.

Secretively.

There are ways of making your computer talk.

Chinese water in keyboard torture? :u

[Naldru]

Secretively.

There are ways of making your computer talk.

Which computer, though?

SkyNet sees them all.

[Rakyth]

Just idly interested, here. I'm happy to have found all five pages, so...

All five? There are at least 8 hidden pages that I've located.

8?!

Do we have to hack into the server to find them?!

Having now non-noobledly read the rest of the topic, I will amend the first part of my post.

K..Which part of the server should I start looking in?

Thinking about the chains..

Now, what if I just made a script that would visit every single link on a page, compare the code to the last one and check for differences in certain areas of the HTML, and then reported which links it visited from which page gave a difference, IE a log of every page it has visited up to that point, would that work?

Pretty much just a crawler..

Except I would need to run multiple copies on my 3 machines so it wouldn't take 5 days.

One is a linux distribution

[Corgatha Taldorthar]

They're both lying. The amount of secret pages isn't expressed as an integer.

[Rakyth]

They're both lying. The amount of secret pages isn't expressed as an integer.

...

Is hex considered an integer?

[Fibre]

Just idly interested, here. I'm happy to have found all five pages, so...

All five? There are at least 8 hidden pages that I've located.

8?!

Do we have to hack into the server to find them?!

Yes, at least. And of course not.

They're both lying. The amount of secret pages isn't expressed as an integer.

I don't know about Llearch's (thus my question), but my statement was truthful. 

Is hex considered an integer?

"Hex" is just a way to express numbers. You can write fractional values in any base. (Although you can't necessarily represent the same set of values using a finite number of digits.)

[Naldru]

Okay, when I say that it is possible to make a hidden page impossible to find, I am exaggerating.   However, I can make the possibility of success less than one in a billion given the use of a billion machines for a billion years.  For example:

Have the links for every page modified by using the addition of a parameter that uses a 128 character argument with the value of the argument being modified based on the page referred to.  This argument will then be dependent on the route that the user takes through the pages and only one value will cause the hidden page to be revealed.

Have the PHP check the access log and refuse to show the secret page if IP address has requested more than 1000 pages in the last hour.  (Depending on system performance, you may want to change the values.)

Set up the PHP to delay the rendering of each page by a half second.

Change the algorithms at periodic intervals so that the 128 character parameter that will cause the hidden page to be revealed will change on a daily or more frequent basis.

in order to remove the possibility of bot nets, look for patterns of multiple machines trying multiple combinations.  This can be done by having a program processing the logs.

If I thought about it for more than thirty seconds, I am sure that I could come up with even sneakier methods.

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My point is that I do not believe that Amber would view it as fair to use techniques of this time.  The only place where I believe that this degree of obfuscation would be appropriate would be as challenges to security and encryption specialists.

I therefore believe that all current and future secret pages will be locatable with moderate amounts of effort (under forty hours) and will not require Nobel Prize winner levels of mathematical ability.

[llearch n'n'daCorna]

Crawlers are not friendly. We recommend you do not attempt to use them, as Amber may take it amiss and remove the hidden pages.

[hapless]

*looks at the topic with tears in his eyes*
WHAT... HAVE... I... DONE...?!

//h

[Scarydragon]

Bah, I want to go comb trough the site to find more hidden pages, but Xepher crashed and burned. Damn you interwebs!

[Naldru]

*looks at the topic with tears in his eyes*
WHAT... HAVE... I... DONE...?!

//h

With a title like that, what did you expect?

By the way, crawlers are not only unfriendly, they leave big yucky fingerprints.

[Rakyth]

*looks at the topic with tears in his eyes*
WHAT... HAVE... I... DONE...?!

//h

With a title like that, what did you expect?

By the way, crawlers are not only unfriendly, they leave big yucky fingerprints.

Oh, to be sure...Plus they eat lots of bandwidth, right? I never had reason to use any.