Abels story 5/5/07 Page #86 Blank Memory

[Psychogirl]

<-- it took me... a whole 12 mins to do that XD

May's face was just too perfect. XD

15mins + Photoshop + ImageReady + Imageshack = FTW! 

Damn... I've modified this post like, 6 7 8 times already XD

Kewels! Now teh forum topic iz complete! (unless you all have something else to say...)

[Zedd]

Anyhow..I do hope we done with shaking Amber...Cause more you shake..The more she will bite!

[Psychogirl]

Anyhow..I do hope we done with shaking Amber...Cause more you shake..The more she will bite!

True 'dat! The great Amber must never be shaken!
Nevah I tellz yah! NEVAH!!

[Moonfrost]

Damn, I forgot where to find that picture of..errr... whatever Amber may be at the time X_x

[superluser]

Funny. I'll -try- and make a better one for you.

Remember, it's a parody, so the use of Helvetica (...well, Eurostile, something very similar) in all-caps, the fact that the spacing is too tight to the right of the red words and too loose to the left (not to mention the weird idea to emphasize a word by making it an italicized red), the bizarre capitalization at the bottom and the strange layout are all aspects of the original.

Damn, I forgot where to find that picture of..errr... whatever Amber may be at the time X_x

What picture?  The one that I used came from her signature.

[Moonfrost]

Ohhh! Duh. I'm friggin stupid

[thegayhare]

Zinvth wouldn't be safe because While it is demon city thats no garunty it would be freindly to Aniz,  If he suddenly showed up with a new born child he'd be noticed by some one, as unsual and that would leave a trace.  And with such a diverse population of creatures Aniz could never be sure where the threat was coming from.

So Aniz goes to the seedy bar on the outskirts of town, bouncing Abel on his knee.  He's sure to get noticed, but not remembered.  If he goes incognito and with Abel transformed, he'd be completely anonymous.

But still able to get invited to a few single-parent functions where he could meet someone, read his or her mind, and then decide if he wants to trust that creature--which is much more than he could say for beings.

Yes because transformation magic is just so safe and painless people are remolding infants left and right.   Transforming a person isn't exactly safe when there are an adult as Amber has said.  Plus as we've seen with the Kira's story constant use and exposure to a spell or magical effect can have long term repercusions.  So It would be rather stupid to force a risky magical procedure on a vulnerable child for several years.  and As Merlitz's group has proven transformational magic can be detected rather readily  if you know how and a city full of magical creatures would mean you'd be bumping into people who could potentualy notice 20 times a day. 

Cantiv  as an Adventuring town actualy makes perfect sense,  Since the adventures are distrustful of outsiders to a degree. Cids backstory there would insulate him from suspicion.  If some stranger aproached your town and said that one of the people responsible for keeping it safe for years was realy a monster in disguise who would you belive the hero who was born and raised there or the weird guy who just walked in off the street.

I'll bet that replacement happens often enough that they take that stuff very seriously.  It probably happened one other time, and the books are still being written about it.

Besides, I'd expect the conversation to go something like the following:

WEIRDO: Hoo!  Hee!  Cid's really an incubus!  His clan marking is under his left bracer!
JUDGE: OK.  This guy's nuts.  Just show us your wrists, Cid, and we'll execute him for slander.

First the example is rather rediculus.  since the location of a clan mark varies from cubi to cubi 

Second you assume that the substitution thing is something thats well known.  Heyena's a creature and her knowlage of Cubi was fairly nil, May grew up in an adventuring village and had never heard of them.  In the Cubi Cokoo case how I'd say it's just as likely that when the fact that a cubi child can no longer be disguised  any witnesses are killed including the being parent the home destroyed and made to look like a creature attack while the kid is spirited away

I never said it should be allowed but this might be how this particular clan has kept alive for so long.   This could be akin to a family tradition to Aniz.  His mom did it  like this and her dad did too, and so on and so on.  They see the spouse as a means to an end and when the cubi child can no longer be hidden they have no more use for them.

Yeah, but the Creature-Being council would probably frown upon that.  Like prison time frown.

Notice that Hennya, a creature, is rather freaked out by Aniz's actions.  I could totally see the C-B council going along with Aniz having a kid with May and then killing her, but to kill someone that you treated as your wife for 25 years is probably going to be a hard sell.  It's not sport, hunting, food, having kids, or anything like that.

Well the being side would definitly frown on it, if they ever find out (see my above statement), but as for the creature side I easily see a "So let him pay the fine and lets get on with things" statement.  Since our example of how the council works didn't seem that fair and just.

As for Hennya well she's probably not a good example of creatures as a whole now besides her knowlage of cubi was rather limited

Too risky one child is enough of a target and liability more then one and yhe would risk exposure.  A second baby born with wings would risk a noticable pattern the magical mutation explination might not cover for a second child born with the Identical mutation.  So it would cause far more notice then the one child

Naw.  All Aniz has to do is keep adventuring, and then get drunk one night and threaten to bash someone's head in with a rock if he ever says anything bad about Cid's kids again.

that doesn't make any sense at all
Two children with Identical mutaions would invalidate the adventuring related magical mutation and him going ape on some sod in a bar would only cause roumors to spread faster.

One is beliviable as an accident two is not

Well, he sure sounds like he's been through SAIA.  I'm sure that knowledge of `cubi genetics don't come from some sort of racial memory.

No he doesn't he hasn't stated anything that would seem to require a saia level education.  His mention of Cubi genetics existed solely of the most basic possible sort.  the sort of thing you'd learn in a health class.  I mean He's a cubi so it had to be the mother or the father... that sort of inferance doesn't require advanced degrees especialy when you know ahead of time that your the cubi parent

[Moonfrost]

  I kinda like this one actually:





This is what happens when I'm bored.

-EDIT- Unfortunately I don't have Helvetica on my computer, and I'm too lazy to download it and fix what I see wrong with it

-EDIT EDIT- I'm in the mood to make things sorta-animated X_x

[Sunblink]

<-- it took me... a whole 12 mins to do that XD

May's face was just too perfect. XD

15mins + Photoshop + ImageReady + Imageshack = FTW! 

Damn... I've modified this post like, 6 7 8 times already XD

You are my personal hero.  For real. 

~Keaton the Black Jackal

[Moonfrost]

<-- it took me... a whole 12 mins to do that XD

May's face was just too perfect. XD

15mins + Photoshop + ImageReady + Imageshack = FTW! 

Damn... I've modified this post like, 6 7 8 times already XD

You are my personal hero.  For real. 

~Keaton the Black Jackal

Woohoo!

[superluser]

http://img243.imageshack.us/img243/3681/nevershakeamberas6.gif

Whoa.

https://www.healthservices.gov.bc.ca/cpa/publications/baby_crying.pdf

How many versions of the ``Never Shake a Baby'' campaign are there?  There's one in Wisconsin, one in British Columbia, one in New York, one in Nebraska...why don't they all get together and form a unified campaign across the country?

-EDIT- Unfortunately I don't have Helvetica on my computer, and I'm too lazy to download it and fix what I see wrong with it

You don't have Helvetica?  Not even Nimbus Sans (a Helvetica clone)?  I think both Macintosh and Windows come with it, and every version of Linux that I've seen has Nimbus Sans.

[Aurawyn]

Hum. I'm fairly sure that Dan didn't eat normally even before he had his head-wings. Wasn't there a joke about him having survived on alcohol for years?

That was only reciently.. think of it like a baby... when they are really young they need formula because they don't know what to do with a hamburger...

I assume that  "Feeding" off of emotions starts out as a passive ability because both Able and Dan slowly started to not need to eat, and didn't know it. Perhaps sleeping is a well... and they just slowly stop needing to sleep as much

*shrugs*

[Aurawyn]

http://img243.imageshack.us/img243/3681/nevershakeamberas6.gif

Whoa.

https://www.healthservices.gov.bc.ca/cpa/publications/baby_crying.pdf

How many versions of the ``Never Shake a Baby'' campaign are there?  There's one in Wisconsin, one in British Columbia, one in New York, one in Nebraska...why don't they all get together and form a unified campaign across the country?

I think its stupid that its even needed..  I mean.. COMMON SENCE

What kinda moron thinks is OK to shake something that can't even lift its own head!?

[candide]

And my comment was more about seeing how others were reading things into a single slap across the face, the intent and intended force of which are still quite unknown.

Er...uh, I don't think that ``I only intended to slap her a little bit'' holds much water.

Nnnnor was  saying that it did.

There is a continuum of force, though.  You can slap someone lightly, or  backhand someone, or flat-out strike them.  Or you can break their nose.  My point is that we don't know why Aniz slapped May.  Nor do we know if Aniz wanted to break May's nose, or just didn't care how forcefully he hit her.

It certainly wasn't nice, though.  Then again, 'cubi are supposed to be cruel...

[Moonfrost]

http://img243.imageshack.us/img243/3681/nevershakeamberas6.gif

Whoa.

https://www.healthservices.gov.bc.ca/cpa/publications/baby_crying.pdf

How many versions of the ``Never Shake a Baby'' campaign are there?  There's one in Wisconsin, one in British Columbia, one in New York, one in Nebraska...why don't they all get together and form a unified campaign across the country?

-EDIT- Unfortunately I don't have Helvetica on my computer, and I'm too lazy to download it and fix what I see wrong with it

You don't have Helvetica?  Not even Nimbus Sans (a Helvetica clone)?  I think both Macintosh and Windows come with it, and every version of Linux that I've seen has Nimbus Sans.

Nope. Apparently my computer is special. Half the fonts on here don't even work

I need a new computer XD

[superluser]

Transforming a person isn't exactly safe when there are an adult as Amber has said.  Plus as we've seen with the Kira's story constant use and exposure to a spell or magical effect can have long term repercusions.  So It would be rather stupid to force a risky magical procedure on a vulnerable child for several years.  and As Merlitz's group has proven transformational magic can be detected rather readily  if you know how and a city full of magical creatures would mean you'd be bumping into people who could potentualy notice 20 times a day.

I remember Amber saying that sex change was dangerous--even if you're not using any transformation magic, but not that transformation itself was dangerous, just painful.  I could easily be wrong.

And he wouldn't have to do it for any extended period of time--just once, to figure out one or two people whom he could trust, and then get rid of the transformation.

I'm not sure that too many creatures would pay mind to a guy with a transformed kid at some seedy bar.  Transformed people probably roll through places like that on a regular basis.  The barflies have probably learned to ignore them by now.

This is also ignoring the fact that you'd probably set up any babysitting services beforehand.

You go into Zinvth when you're supposed to be adventuring, find some people whom you think you can trust, do thorough background checks, and stick around for a few years (Three years would be the equivalent of a week and a half to us) to make sure.  Then you go out, knock May up, and kill her.  Then you take the kid back to Zinvth with the friends and start living the life of a hermit.

First the example is rather rediculus.  since the location of a clan mark varies from cubi to cubi

We're assuming that the weirdo knows Aniz.  If he knows him to be an incubus, and Aniz hates bracers as much as he seems to, he would have seen the mark on his arm.

The first thing I'd say if I were the judge would be, ``OK.  Then where's his clan marking?''  And the weirdo would tell him.  If the marking were on his naughty bits, the judge might just tell them all to go home, since the weirdo obviously just wants to see Cid naked.  But on the forearm...

Second you assume that the substitution thing is something thats well known.  Heyena's a creature and her knowlage of Cubi was fairly nil, May grew up in an adventuring village and had never heard of them.

1.) I think most adventurers don't bring work home.  May probably didn't talk much about Cid's adventuring with other adventurers, and Cid certainly wasn't going to talk about `cubi to her.

2.) Hennya knew practically nothing about `cubi, *but* she knew the substitution thing.  So it must be one of the first things you find out.

In the Cubi Cokoo case how I'd say it's just as likely that when the fact that a cubi child can no longer be disguised  any witnesses are killed including the being parent the home destroyed and made to look like a creature attack while the kid is spirited away

I think the Zinvth police would have something to say about making creatures look more violent and random than they really are.

Well the being side would definitly frown on it, if they ever find out (see my above statement), but as for the creature side I easily see a "So let him pay the fine and lets get on with things" statement.  Since our example of how the council works didn't seem that fair and just.

Perhaps not, but given *how* upset Hennya is getting, I think this would seem like a serious offense to any judicial creature who doesn't want the beings to revolt or go on strike.  Not just a traffic infraction, but the sort of crime where you wind up in a cell with the cast of Deliverance.

Two children with Identical mutaions would invalidate the adventuring related magical mutation and him going ape on some sod in a bar would only cause roumors to spread faster.

One is beliviable as an accident two is not

Three times is enemy action?   Sorry.

Really, if it were a genetic mutation, wouldn't we expect it to be permanent?  All of his kids should have wings, then, and no one could be expected to think otherwise.

Besides, he's been in Zinvth since Abel was in first grade.  That's still more than enough time to have two or three more kids, even if you space them out.

No he doesn't he hasn't stated anything that would seem to require a saia level education.  His mention of Cubi genetics existed solely of the most basic possible sort.  the sort of thing you'd learn in a health class.  I mean He's a cubi so it had to be the mother or the father... that sort of inferance doesn't require advanced degrees especialy when you know ahead of time that your the cubi parent

You said that Aniz might not know that SAIA is a violence-free zone.  I'm simply saying that he seems to know enough about `cubi that he probably knows that SAIA is OK.

Unless SAIA wants his clan dead.

It certainly wasn't nice, though.  Then again, 'cubi are supposed to be cruel...

Are they supposed to be cruel?

Anyways, I thought I'd point out that the ``The incubus killed Cid in self-defense'' theory has been around since before Aniz slapped May.

[Psychogirl]

Well, now that we're back on topic...

Aniz's forgetfulness reminds me of myself. You take time to plan your response, and when the time comes, you just completely blank out.

That doesn't just happen for speeches either, I blank out even on the most simple of subjct matter. Heck, I even forget names of objects at times!
*Me: Say, can I borrow your... um... that thing you write with...*
*Random person: Pen?*
*Me: Yeah, that.*

[Fuyudenki]

Well, now that we're back on topic...

Aniz's forgetfulness reminds me of myself. You take time to plan your response, and when the time comes, you just completely blank out.

That doesn't just happen for speeches either, I blank out even on the most simple of subjct matter. Heck, I even forget names of objects at times!
*Me: Say, can I borrow your... um... that thing you write with...*
*Random person: Pen?*
*Me: Yeah, that.*

Wait, what happens if the person gives you a bogus answer?  Like...

*Me: Say, can I borrow your... um... that thing you write with...*
*Random person: Candy bar?*

What happens then?

[Psychogirl]

Well, now that we're back on topic...

Aniz's forgetfulness reminds me of myself. You take time to plan your response, and when the time comes, you just completely blank out.

That doesn't just happen for speeches either, I blank out even on the most simple of subjct matter. Heck, I even forget names of objects at times!
*Me: Say, can I borrow your... um... that thing you write with...*
*Random person: Pen?*
*Me: Yeah, that.*

Wait, what happens if the person gives you a bogus answer?  Like...

*Me: Say, can I borrow your... um... that thing you write with...*
*Random person: Candy bar?*

What happens then?

I'm not that stupid. I'll know if they got it wrong.
I'll end up getting the answer myself, eventually. My brain's just slow, not dead.

[Psychogirl]

It certainly wasn't nice, though.  Then again, 'cubi are supposed to be cruel...

Cubi? Cruel?
Not all cubi are bad. There are those who do good things, just as much as there are those who do bad things, and others who do what they need to do.

Pretty much like us humans. There are those who deserve praise, and those who deserve to get smacked.

[thegayhare]

I remember Amber saying that sex change was dangerous--even if you're not using any transformation magic, but not that transformation itself was dangerous, just painful.  I could easily be wrong.

And he wouldn't have to do it for any extended period of time--just once, to figure out one or two people whom he could trust, and then get rid of the transformation.

I'm not sure that too many creatures would pay mind to a guy with a transformed kid at some seedy bar.  Transformed people probably roll through places like that on a regular basis.  The barflies have probably learned to ignore them by now.

This is also ignoring the fact that you'd probably set up any babysitting services beforehand.

You go into Zinvth when you're supposed to be adventuring, find some people whom you think you can trust, do thorough background checks, and stick around for a few years (Three years would be the equivalent of a week and a half to us) to make sure.  Then you go out, knock May up, and kill her.  Then you take the kid back to Zinvth with the friends and start living the life of a hermit.

First off why?  Why bother to move?  Why take the risk moving?  Why risk drawing attention by killing a woman and taking the child? A dead woman and missing child draw alot of attention.  Why risk exposing yourself to others?  Even if they are trust worthy there is always a chance of leaks, and transforming Abel back would involve risk for anyone looking for a missing infant.  How many infants do you see in seedy bars everyday transformed or not? Besides how do we even know Aniz has the ability to transform others.  Again if he's trying to keep alow profile moving to Zinvth is the last thing he'd want I mean there could be demons, dragons, angels, mythos, and other cubi with no way to tell who is freind and who is foe.  And again living as a hermit is to risky because it's harder to blend in if there is nothing to blend into.

Why go to all that extra effort, take all that unnessisary risk when it's much easier to simply stay put where you have an established cover story, are efectivly masked from from suspision by your standing in the community and have some one with a vested intrest in helping you raise the child

We're assuming that the weirdo knows Aniz.  If he knows him to be an incubus, and Aniz hates bracers as much as he seems to, he would have seen the mark on his arm.

The first thing I'd say if I were the judge would be, ``OK.  Then where's his clan marking?''  And the weirdo would tell him.  If the marking were on his naughty bits, the judge might just tell them all to go home, since the weirdo obviously just wants to see Cid naked.  But on the forearm...

Yes because insolated xenophobic comunities are always so damn willing to belive to the ravings and accusations of some outsider  over the outstanding piller of the comunity.  and even if he doesn't like bracers he would keep his most Identifying feature hidden some how so it would be unlikely that anyone looking for him would know it's location.  Also there is no evidance that the nature of clan markings are that well known Dan didn't know about them, Hennya didn't and neither did Xander so anyone looking for him might not know that his marking can't be altered.

1.) I think most adventurers don't bring work home.  May probably didn't talk much about Cid's adventuring with other adventurers, and Cid certainly wasn't going to talk about `cubi to her.

2.) Hennya knew practically nothing about `cubi, *but* she knew the substitution thing.  So it must be one of the first things you find out.

Yes but Hennya seemed to imply it in a ripping off some ones face and wearing there skin sort of way

I think the Zinvth police would have something to say about making creatures look more violent and random than they really are.

Realy?  realy you think so?  so organised classes of creatures whipping out villages and out posts near there city wouldn't concern the authorities but some how killing one adventurer and taking his place would bring them out in droves

Perhaps not, but given *how* upset Hennya is getting, I think this would seem like a serious offense to any judicial creature who doesn't want the beings to revolt or go on strike.  Not just a traffic infraction, but the sort of crime where you wind up in a cell with the cast of Deliverance.

Thats because these are freinds of Hennya's people she knows,  individual creatures might veiw this situation with disgust but not there society as a whole,  the afformentioned masscer of an outpost, Kira's multiple murders and consumption of beings on a dayly basis, Lorenda snacking on solicitors, Ayruyana's referances to rampages and attempts to encourage Dan to spree's of rape and murder don't seem to draw the Ire of authoritise so how does the Cubi Cokoo suddenly take presidance?

Three times is enemy action?   Sorry.

Really, if it were a genetic mutation, wouldn't we expect it to be permanent?  All of his kids should have wings, then, and no one could be expected to think otherwise.

Besides, he's been in Zinvth since Abel was in first grade.  That's still more than enough time to have two or three more kids, even if you space them out.

The magical mutation wouldn't nessicarily be perminent,  since the effects thenselves would be random do to the magic involved,  It would be assumed that another child if it was going to bear a mutation the adventurer would in the intervening space have come into contact with differnt magical energies on the job which would have changed any possible damage.

And his living in Zinvth wouldn't have mattered since even in a creature society a second child being born to a family of beings would have still drawn unwanted attention

You said that Aniz might not know that SAIA is a violence-free zone.  I'm simply saying that he seems to know enough about `cubi that he probably knows that SAIA is OK.

Unless SAIA wants his clan dead.

And most modern schools are suposed to be safe for there students in the US too.
And I did not say that he wouldn't know Saia is suposed to be voilance free,  I said he might not know how strictly the headmistress would enforce this rule,  and that even with the safeguards inplace at saia there would still be risksinvolved.  The major one  being that enrolling able would almost be the same thing as anouncing to any rival clans   that Abel exists and any cubi enemies of Aniz would have a starting piont for there search for Aniz

[superluser]

Wait, what happens if the person gives you a bogus answer?  Like...

*Me: Say, can I borrow your... um... that thing you write with...*
*Random person: Candy bar?*

What happens then?

I think she gets a free candy bar.

First off why?  Why bother to move?  Why take the risk moving?  Why risk drawing attention by killing a woman and taking the child?

Well...

- because the town is full of adventurers
- because May might not like the idea of having an incubus for a son
- because May might try to turn/kill Abel
- because the town is not a controlled environment where Aniz can guide Abel
- because even non-adventurers don't like creatures and might try to harm Abel

but basically because it's not a controlled environment.  Aniz cannot ensure Abel's safety in Cantiv.

A dead woman and missing child draw alot of attention.  Why risk exposing yourself to others?

If Aniz kept the relationship brief and killed her right after Abel was born instead of toying with her, I think he'd be able to get off scot free from any juducial creature.  Besides, communication 400 years ago wasn't that great.  Even if they could notify neighboring towns (which is physically possible with the orbs, but not necessarily bureaucratically possibly with jurisdictional issues), there's no guarantee that another town could put any sort of staff on the case or even send out an APB to its own officers.

Again if he's trying to keep alow profile moving to Zinvth is the last thing he'd want I mean there could be demons, dragons, angels, mythos, and other cubi with no way to tell who is freind and who is foe.

If Aniz really is in hiding, I think he knows what he's hiding from.

And again living as a hermit is to risky because it's harder to blend in if there is nothing to blend into.

And, more importantly, nothing to see you.

Why go to all that extra effort, take all that unnessisary risk when it's much easier to simply stay put where you have an established cover story, are efectivly masked from from suspision by your standing in the community and have some one with a vested intrest in helping you raise the child

And a vested interest in taking it away from you.

Yes because insolated xenophobic comunities are always so damn willing to belive to the ravings and accusations of some outsider  over the outstanding piller of the comunity.

If it lets me execute the weirdo, I'll ask Cid to show his arms.

2.) Hennya knew practically nothing about `cubi, *but* she knew the substitution thing.  So it must be one of the first things you find out.

Yes but Hennya seemed to imply it in a ripping off some ones face and wearing there skin sort of way

That's the way she described it.  I don't think that's the way she heard it.  It doesn't make much sense for `cubi to do that, and if May took five minutes, she'd probably realize that it's bunk, but she's too panicked to think like that.

Realy?  realy you think so?  so organised classes of creatures whipping out villages and out posts near there city wouldn't concern the authorities but some how killing one adventurer and taking his place would bring them out in droves

Because that's making creatures look as (not more) violent and random as they really are.  There's a difference.  Also, I wouldn't be surprised if Zinvth actually is concerned about the attacks and is unaware that it's part of a program.

Kinda like how Boston was unaware that a substitute teacher was going around putting up lighted circuit boards of the Mooninites.

Thats because these are freinds of Hennya's people she knows,  individual creatures might veiw this situation with disgust but not there society as a whole,  the afformentioned masscer of an outpost, Kira's multiple murders and consumption of beings on a dayly basis, Lorenda snacking on solicitors, Ayruyana's referances to rampages and attempts to encourage Dan to spree's of rape and murder don't seem to draw the Ire of authoritise so how does the Cubi Cokoo suddenly take presidance?

Simple.  May appears to be an upstanding member of the community, with ties to many of the creatures there.  Aniz had a protracted relationship with her, involving finances, children, work, emotional commitment, and all the other things that go along with marriage.  Kria's victims did not.  Lorenda's victims did not.  Aaryanna's victims probably didn't.  Kria's training involved people attacking them, and Zinvth probably doesn't know about it.

The magical mutation wouldn't nessicarily be perminent,  since the effects thenselves would be random do to the magic involved,  It would be assumed that another child if it was going to bear a mutation the adventurer would in the intervening space have come into contact with differnt magical energies on the job which would have changed any possible damage.

Reference, please?

[thegayhare]

- because the town is full of adventurers

Which think he's a hero's who has risked his life defending them and would do anything they can to help him if he needed it.

- because May might not like the idea of having an incubus for a son
- because May might try to turn/kill Abel

and she won't find this out until she older and weaker, while Aniz would still be in his prime and Abel would just be coming into his cubi powers and it would be unlikely that May would be able to hurt him

- because the town is not a controlled environment where Aniz can guide Abel

Neither would Zinvth but A small town in a family setting would would allow for him to exert the optimum in control and safety,  while making sure he got an education that lets him function in sociaty.   

- because even non-adventurers don't like creatures and might try to harm Abel

but basically because it's not a controlled environment.  Aniz cannot ensure Abel's safety in Cantiv.

So why not keep him in a place where people think he's a being with a magical mutation and while he might be bullied by some kids but the adults in the villiage would protect him from outside threats. 

If Aniz kept the relationship brief and killed her right after Abel was born instead of toying with her, I think he'd be able to get off scot free from any juducial creature.  Besides, communication 400 years ago wasn't that great.  Even if they could notify neighboring towns (which is physically possible with the orbs, but not necessarily bureaucratically possibly with jurisdictional issues), there's no guarantee that another town could put any sort of staff on the case or even send out an APB to its own officers.

Why do you seem to have this weird double standard here?
Some how you seem to think that the Zinvth authorities are going to pull out all the stops because one cubi spent 25 years impersonating one being but the murder oand kidnapping of a whole family would simply be overlooked as ho hum. 

If Aniz had Killed may right away that would still have left him with an infant to raise on his own,  an Entire villiage of adventures pissed off and out for blood.  Mostlikely a bounty would have been issued for the return of Abel meaning one more threat chasing Aniz down

If Aniz really is in hiding, I think he knows what he's hiding from.

We're assuming it's enemies of his clan since he's from a small clan.  Cubi have lots of enemies among the other creatures and among the other clans

And, more importantly, nothing to see you.

and what happens if your found?  no way to hide, no one to turn to for help

And a vested interest in taking it away from you.

Yes and by the time she finds out she'll be much older and your still in your prime

If it lets me execute the weirdo, I'll ask Cid to show his arms.

Why would you need to see Cids arms to do that?  A judge would never get involved in something like this.  The townsfolk would never get a judge involved.  Some guy would show up in town and attack or harrass Cid.  The townsfolk would simply force him out or if it was an attack they would kill him.   

That's the way she described it.  I don't think that's the way she heard it.  It doesn't make much sense for `cubi to do that, and if May took five minutes, she'd probably realize that it's bunk, but she's too panicked to think like that.

Why theway she's describing Cubi is in the evil hidous monster that lurks in the dark eating people nd wearing there faces.  Granted with as little general knowlage of cubi that some folks seem to have maybe this is how cubi are veiwed by the general public.  The cubi cokoo thing could be compleatly off the radar

Because that's making creatures look as (not more) violent and random as they really are.  There's a difference.  Also, I wouldn't be surprised if Zinvth actually is concerned about the attacks and is unaware that it's part of a program.

That makes no sense, why would this incident make them do anytihng Butchering dozens of people in a few minutes is some how maintaining the status quo and no one will care but playing mind games with one person will some how make the beings rise up and revolt destroying all of sociaty 

Simple.  May appears to be an upstanding member of the community, with ties to many of the creatures there.  Aniz had a protracted relationship with her, involving finances, children, work, emotional commitment, and all the other things that go along with marriage.  Kria's victims did not.  Lorenda's victims did not.  Aaryanna's victims probably didn't.  Kria's training involved people attacking them, and Zinvth probably doesn't know about it.

So what?  so what how is that some how worse then killing and or eating multiole people?  It happens alot, Abusisive spouses have killed there spouses before and i causes barely a ripple in modern society but killing a few dozen people at once and that gets tons of attention.

Reference, please?

okay lets see
http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Abel_06.php

this explians that its the magical energies adventurures come in contact with that cause the mutations among there children. 

This explination seems to impy that these magical energies are common on adventures so it's safe to assume that between the time one child is conceived and the next time a chid is conceived they would have encountered differnt maical energies that would change things even more

[superluser]

- because the town is full of adventurers

Which think he's a hero's who has risked his life defending them and would do anything they can to help him if he needed it.

And which do not owe his son anything.  Besides, I'm thinking that Aniz may have actually orchestrated those attacks.  If they found that out, Aniz would be wiped from the face of Furrae.

and she won't find this out until she older and weaker, while Aniz would still be in his prime and Abel would just be coming into his cubi powers and it would be unlikely that May would be able to hurt him

Possible.  But while May might be weaker, she could still call upon her friends.  I suppose that's still true if he killed her right off, though.  Still, Aniz didn't know what he's going to be doing 25 years from then.  What if May befriended one of Aniz's clan's enemies?  What if he's off `adventuring' when Abel gets his wings, and Aniz can't come back for a few days?  It's too much to risk.

Neither would Zinvth but A small town in a family setting would would allow for him to exert the optimum in control and safety,  while making sure he got an education that lets him function in sociaty.

The Zinvth schools seem to be better, and they would allow Abel to learn more about being a creature.  Aniz would not have that level of control at Cantiv.

Why do you seem to have this weird double standard here?
Some how you seem to think that the Zinvth authorities are going to pull out all the stops because one cubi spent 25 years impersonating one being but the murder oand kidnapping of a whole family would simply be overlooked as ho hum.

Yes!  For the same reason that we have the SPCA or battered women's shelters.  The toying and the betrayal are the keys.  If it were just a random person, then he'd probably get off.  But since he married her and lived with her, then she'll get more sympathy from the judges.  They can imagine what would happen if one of their sons married a being (the initial offense, but then gradually acceptance), and then what would happen if he murdered the mother of their grandchild.

If Aniz had Killed may right away that would still have left him with an infant to raise on his own,  an Entire villiage of adventures pissed off and out for blood.

And then Aniz goes into hiding in Zinvth.  I doubt they'd even look for him.  If a bunch of adventurers came to the Zinvth city line, I'd expect they'd go back in doggie bags.

and what happens if your found?  no way to hide, no one to turn to for help

We've cornered Osama bin Laden in caves a few times, but he's escaped so far.  I'm sure a magical creature could do better.

Why would you need to see Cids arms to do that?  A judge would never get involved in something like this.  The townsfolk would never get a judge involved.  Some guy would show up in town and attack or harrass Cid.  The townsfolk would simply force him out or if it was an attack they would kill him.

I think adventurers are probably quite fearful of shapeshifters.  That alone would give them a reason to take it seriously.  Even still, I think that most people would like to rub the truth in the guy's face before killing him.

Why theway she's describing Cubi is in the evil hidous monster that lurks in the dark eating people nd wearing there faces.  Granted with as little general knowlage of cubi that some folks seem to have maybe this is how cubi are veiwed by the general public.  The cubi cokoo thing could be compleatly off the radar

But not by adventurers (which I believe was the original contention).

That makes no sense, why would this incident make them do anytihng Butchering dozens of people in a few minutes is some how maintaining the status quo and no one will care but playing mind games with one person will some how make the beings rise up and revolt destroying all of sociaty

What happens if I married a creature and she decides to eat me in my sleep?  What's to prevent her from doing that?  Many people have an out of sight, out of mind mentality.  Sure, so a bunch of adventurers miles away got attacked by some creatures.  Happens.  Isn't that part of the job description for adventurers?  Anyways, they were out there for that war that I don't support.  But when the family next door has a homicide, and no one does anything about it, I'm going to want to see some changes, pronto.

Also, Zinvth probably either doesn't know about it or is investigating it.  After all, word may be difficult to get into Zinvth, but I'll bet it's easy to get out, and if Cantiv found out that that was some sort of training, they might not rally forces to fight a war (because they'd probably lose), but they'd definitely call off the bounty and tell people to stay away from that part of the forest.

So what?  so what how is that some how worse then killing and or eating multiole people?  It happens alot, Abusisive spouses have killed there spouses before and i causes barely a ripple in modern society but killing a few dozen people at once and that gets tons of attention.

Because killing a high-profile member of the community is more important to the police than dozens of lesser knowns.  It's a shame, and a scathing indictment of our society, but it's true.

This explination seems to impy that these magical energies are common on adventures so it's safe to assume that between the time one child is conceived and the next time a chid is conceived they would have encountered differnt maical energies that would change things even more

I don't see anything that implies that.

[thegayhare]

- because the town is full of adventurers

Which think he's a hero's who has risked his life defending them and would do anything they can to help him if he needed it.

And which do not owe his son anything.  Besides, I'm thinking that Aniz may have actually orchestrated those attacks.  If they found that out, Aniz would be wiped from the face of Furrae.

Of course they'd ow his son.  Because in there mind Abel is one of them sure they might think he's strange wut he's still one of them born and raised here son of one of the towns heros.  What you think if some one walked in and snatched able off the street as a child the whole town would just stand there?

And if Aniz was orchestrating it they would have to find out first wouldn't they

and she won't find this out until she older and weaker, while Aniz would still be in his prime and Abel would just be coming into his cubi powers and it would be unlikely that May would be able to hurt him

Possible.  But while May might be weaker, she could still call upon her friends.  I suppose that's still true if he killed her right off, though.  Still, Aniz didn't know what he's going to be doing 25 years from then.  What if May befriended one of Aniz's clan's enemies?  What if he's off `adventuring' when Abel gets his wings, and Aniz can't come back for a few days?  It's too much to risk.

Who's to say he's actualy off Anywhere,  Remember he was retired when Abel was born working at the docks,  and there are ways of knowing what May would be doing subtle manipulation to help guide her Keep her away from anyone who might  threaten his control.  As for when they were in Zinvith Who's to say he was realy "Adventuring"

Neither would Zinvth but A small town in a family setting would would allow for him to exert the optimum in control and safety,  while making sure he got an education that lets him function in sociaty.

The Zinvth schools seem to be better, and they would allow Abel to learn more about being a creature.  Aniz would not have that level of control at Cantiv.

No he wouldn't but but hey lookie Abel got his creature education and he's still has some one to do all the cooking and cleaning for the boy doesn't he...

Ohh damn that May things would be so much easier if she were dead

and he sure as hell wouldn't have gotten this education usiong the hermit method you've been drumming on

Why do you seem to have this weird double standard here?
Some how you seem to think that the Zinvth authorities are going to pull out all the stops because one cubi spent 25 years impersonating one being but the murder oand kidnapping of a whole family would simply be overlooked as ho hum.

Yes!  For the same reason that we have the SPCA or battered women's shelters.  The toying and the betrayal are the keys.  If it were just a random person, then he'd probably get off.  But since he married her and lived with her, then she'll get more sympathy from the judges.  They can imagine what would happen if one of their sons married a being (the initial offense, but then gradually acceptance), and then what would happen if he murdered the mother of their grandchild.

Again whywould they care, it happened way over there...  Cid and May are back in Cantiv now (judging by the look of the house and the proximity to the funeral)  Like you said it happened over there.  so why would Zinvth care.  if they don't care about a trading post full of dead people (not adventures merchants) why woiuld they care what one cubi did to a family of adventures?

If Aniz had Killed may right away that would still have left him with an infant to raise on his own,  an Entire villiage of adventures pissed off and out for blood.

And then Aniz goes into hiding in Zinvth.  I doubt they'd even look for him.  If a bunch of adventurers came to the Zinvth city line, I'd expect they'd go back in doggie bags.

and as I stated it would be just as dangerous for him in Zinvth.  But why would they be systematicly slaughtered as you think.  Cid was an adventure and they lived in the city.  If they tracked Aniz to Zinvth they would most likely try to bring the athorities in but when that mostlikely failed they'd keep looking on there own.  now the city would want to keep order  and if they killed off the adventurers well that would bring more and more to avenge each new death... so the simplest solution would be to finds Aniz and Abel and turn them over just to get rid of the problem.  Demon city right ?  survival of the fittist

and what happens if your found?  no way to hide, no one to turn to for help

We've cornered Osama bin Laden in caves a few times, but he's escaped so far.  I'm sure a magical creature could do better.

Ohh but he had a large stock pile of weapons, and a small army at his disposal so far It doesn't look like aniz has any of that

Why would you need to see Cids arms to do that?  A judge would never get involved in something like this.  The townsfolk would never get a judge involved.  Some guy would show up in town and attack or harrass Cid.  The townsfolk would simply force him out or if it was an attack they would kill him.

I think adventurers are probably quite fearful of shapeshifters.  That alone would give them a reason to take it seriously.  Even still, I think that most people would like to rub the truth in the guy's face before killing him.

Have you ever lived in a small town?  thats not how it works.  not even now adays.  In a small town no one trusts the outsiders, the new person.  Hell I've lived in this town 18 years and they sill hate my family.  why because we are new, we moved in when the local mill happened to be on strike so we were obvously scabs.  Hell the house we bought is twice as large as it was and is now bright white and after 18 the people in the town still refure to it as the greys house.   Truth doesn't matter Cid was born there he raised a family there any stranger to come in and try to bad mouth him is getting booted right out on there ass with no question asked

Why theway she's describing Cubi is in the evil hidous monster that lurks in the dark eating people nd wearing there faces.  Granted with as little general knowlage of cubi that some folks seem to have maybe this is how cubi are veiwed by the general public.  The cubi cokoo thing could be compleatly off the radar

But not by adventurers (which I believe was the original contention).

Prove it?  AAnd you can't use what Cid said remember he's a cubi

That makes no sense, why would this incident make them do anytihng Butchering dozens of people in a few minutes is some how maintaining the status quo and no one will care but playing mind games with one person will some how make the beings rise up and revolt destroying all of sociaty

What happens if I married a creature and she decides to eat me in my sleep?  What's to prevent her from doing that?  Many people have an out of sight, out of mind mentality.  Sure, so a bunch of adventurers miles away got attacked by some creatures.  Happens.  Isn't that part of the job description for adventurers?  Anyways, they were out there for that war that I don't support.  But when the family next door has a homicide, and no one does anything about it, I'm going to want to see some changes, pronto.

Also, Zinvth probably either doesn't know about it or is investigating it.  After all, word may be difficult to get into Zinvth, but I'll bet it's easy to get out, and if Cantiv found out that that was some sort of training, they might not rally forces to fight a war (because they'd probably lose), but they'd definitely call off the bounty and tell people to stay away from that part of the forest.

What happens if you married a creature and she decides to eat you?  Ask Kria

and your out of site mentality would work here too.  They aren't in Zinvth anymore so Zinvth wouldn't care.  They aren't famous, they aren't rich.  I see the newspaper leading with the sluaghter of a trading post doezens of merchents buchered and the tabliods running "I married a Cubi" this would be gossip for most folks not directly involved.  now one in any seat of power would care.  Hell I doubt most beings on the council would care "Stupid woman,  I can't belive she never noticed"

This explination seems to impy that these magical energies are common on adventures so it's safe to assume that between the time one child is conceived and the next time a chid is conceived they would have encountered differnt maical energies that would change things even more

I don't see anything that implies that.

Oh so magical energies that can cause mutations in one persons ofspring would only change theone thing,  no matter how many times you were exposed to them?  mutations are unpredictable by there very nature.

So you face a necromancer trying to raise a vast army of undead soldiers,  but just in the nick of time you stop the cerimony but are exposed to the wild and swirling arcan forces he summoned at the same time.  So you go home and celebrate with your wife,  nine months later you've got a bouncing baby with three eyes.  two months later you thwart a weird fish cult and stop them from awakening the anceint god they worship.  and are again exposed to a swirling morrass of arcane forces.  Your saying that it the first one would change things but the second exposure wouldn't do diddly squat? nithing would change beteen then and now?

[Moonfrost]

X_x Text... OvErLoAd..!!! System Failure Imminent!

[bill]

What the christ happened here?

[Zedd]

Well you see Uncle Bill...Ummm I tryed to make sure they dont make a mess and...well...Your not going to tell my mom are you?

[superluser]

OK.  I'll try to keep this short.

and he sure as hell wouldn't have gotten this education usiong the hermit method you've been drumming on

The hermitage theory is one of many.  Like the ``line up friends beforehand'' theory or the ``seek them out afterwards'' theory.  I don't think I've specifically advocated it for several posts, so I don't see how that's drumming.

Again whywould they care, it happened way over there...  Cid and May are back in Cantiv now (judging by the look of the house and the proximity to the funeral)  Like you said it happened over there.  so why would Zinvth care.  if they don't care about a trading post full of dead people (not adventures merchants) why woiuld they care what one cubi did to a family of adventures?

I don't think they're in Cantiv, given Hennya's presence there.  The house looks very different from the one that they had in Cantiv (yes, they'd probably buy a new one if they returned).  Cantiv probably wouldn't be too keen on having the family that they ran out of town return after spending years in the demon city.  Even if they were, the issue would be the Cantiv judicial creatures.

so the simplest solution would be to finds Aniz and Abel and turn them over just to get rid of the problem.  Demon city right ?  survival of the fittist

This doesn't seem to be the way that creatures operate.

What happens if you married a creature and she decides to eat you?  Ask Kria

Except that I think Kria killed him right off.  So the moral is, ``Don't trust new whirlwind romances.''

On the other hand, if you live together for 25 years and have a kid together, your husband isn't going to suddenly decide to kill you, right?

[thegayhare]

and he sure as hell wouldn't have gotten this education usiong the hermit method you've been drumming on

The hermitage theory is one of many.  Like the ``line up friends beforehand'' theory or the ``seek them out afterwards'' theory.  I don't think I've specifically advocated it for several posts, so I don't see how that's drumming.

Yes but you've only used the Line up freinds before hand example as a precurser to hermatige.  and I've explained to you why bith Zinvth wouldn't be safe, I've explained why hermiting wouldn't be safe, and I've explained why even if the people were trustworthy relying on them would be risky.  If Aniz is trying to maintain alow profile any... any steps out away from the norm invites risk.

With May he's got a valid and belivable backstory.  With may he fades into the background.  Kill may and that raises alarm,  confid in others and that invites leaks,  If you move you draw attention to your self as the new comer and outsider, If you live in Isolation your vulnerable.  Staying put and operating under the established cover is the safest bet.

Okay lets look at it using a modern example

now take a sleeper agent
In order for a sleeper agentl to work they have to seem normal in every way
doing anything out of the ordinary puts them at risk.  during the cold war deep cover agents were known to get married and have familes even,  they'd spend years living normaly until that one command came down and they then went into action

Again whywould they care, it happened way over there...  Cid and May are back in Cantiv now (judging by the look of the house and the proximity to the funeral)  Like you said it happened over there.  so why would Zinvth care.  if they don't care about a trading post full of dead people (not adventures merchants) why woiuld they care what one cubi did to a family of adventures?

I don't think they're in Cantiv, given Hennya's presence there.  The house looks very different from the one that they had in Cantiv (yes, they'd probably buy a new one if they returned).  Cantiv probably wouldn't be too keen on having the family that they ran out of town return after spending years in the demon city.  Even if they were, the issue would be the Cantiv judicial creatures.

They are in a densly wooded area,  which wouldn't seem to imply Zinvth.  Abel was abel to make it to a Cantiv funeral and back home realitivly quickly, the proximity of Devin to the are would seem to put them away from the demon city, it's doubtful that demons would risk wipeing out a outpost thats only say an hour or two's walk froim there borders.  Hennya is a guest of the family and is staying in the house so as not to cause problems  (which is why she didn't acompany able to the service)

Also Cid and May weren't run out they left freely.  The sticking piont was Abel if they moved back after Abel had grown up why would the village care

And what Cantiv creatures, We have seen no evidance of and sort of judicary in cantiv.

so the simplest solution would be to finds Aniz and Abel and turn them over just to get rid of the problem.  Demon city right ?  survival of the fittist

This doesn't seem to be the way that creatures operate.

It seems to be how demons operate
Zinvth is a demon city,  Why would they put up with the problem of continued adventuring parties entering there city for the sake on a single cubi?  The relations between the speices probably arn't exactly chummy and if he isn't strong enough to make it on his own then thats his own damn problem

What happens if you married a creature and she decides to eat you?  Ask Kria

Except that I think Kria killed him right off.  So the moral is, ``Don't trust new whirlwind romances.''

On the other hand, if you live together for 25 years and have a kid together, your husband isn't going to suddenly decide to kill you, right?

mostlikely no but think about it  We are talking about creatures here they do not have some unified hive mind.  they are long lived and very differnt creatures.  25 years to them could still be a brief fling. 


Demons seem to be a survival of the fittest,  Well she served her purpose, he's got a kid and it's an adult.  She'd old now and would just slow him down seems to fit

Fae Well maybe his role was over 25 yearsplaying the loving husband time to move on

And I've already stated my thoughts on the cubi mindset here it's a small clan and and the newest member is old enough to survive on it's own