Cybernations

[llearch n'n'daCorna]

Cog, I've dropped 1.5mil in your direction, if you could pass 50 levels of tech to.. uh... who wants to volunteer for being the piggy in the middle?

Fres, I can probably drop you 1.5 in another couple of days, if you're interested. We need another middleman for that, though...

[Dannysaysnoo]

I'll join in, but im not gonna be too active, as i play Travian, but i could stop as its getting a bit unoriginal.

EDIT:: To quote, someone, I'm in.

[llearch n'n'daCorna]

Ok, tomorrow morning, I'll have 3 million stacked up.

I'll pass that 3m to Brunhidden, in Byeardvan.
Brunhidden passes 1.5m to Tajaka, in NyanNya, and 50 tech and 100k to Fresnor, over in Reichi.
Fresnor passes me 50 tech.
Tajaka passes me 50 tech.

Everyone up for that?

[Fresnor]

Sure I guess.  Also just bought my Hospital, gave me another 500 citizens.  Now to start buying Factories.

[Brunhidden]

Ok, tomorrow morning, I'll have 3 million stacked up.

I'll pass that 3m to Brunhidden, in Byeardvan.
Brunhidden passes 1.5m to Tajaka, in NyanNya, and 50 tech and 100k to Fresnor, over in Reichi.
Fresnor passes me 50 tech.
Tajaka passes me 50 tech.

Everyone up for that?

i have 50 tech? i was not aware of that

[Kasarn]

Ok, tomorrow morning, I'll have 3 million stacked up.

I'll pass that 3m to Brunhidden, in Byeardvan.
Brunhidden passes 1.5m to Tajaka, in NyanNya, and 50 tech and 100k to Fresnor, over in Reichi.
Fresnor passes me 50 tech.
Tajaka passes me 50 tech.

Everyone up for that?

i have 50 tech? i was not aware of that

That's what the money llearch will send you is for.
From your persepective, the tech trade goes a little something like:-
1) Accept llearch's Foreign Aid offer of $3,000,000 (whenever he sends it)
2) Buy 50 tech
3a) Send 50 tech, along with $100,000 to Reichi (Fresnor)
3b) Send $1,500,000 to NyanNya (Aiyno)
4) Keep $1,600,000 on hand until Fresnor and Aiyno have accepted your aid
5) Spend the rest of the cash on yourself

Alternatively, you can just buy 35 tech and use your existing 15 tech to make up a total of 50. Then, you can rebuy 15-20 tech with the leftover cash. You'll end up with a tiny bit more cash leftover to spend on yourself.


A quick guide to sending Foreign Aid:-
1) Go to the Alliance Rankings page
2) Open the target nation
3) Click the Aid link at the top [ Message | Declare War | Trade | Aid | etc... ]
4) Fill in the blanks (you can only send a maximum of $3m/50 tech... sending soldiers is pointless)
5) Type your password in at the bottom
6) Hit Confirm/Send

[llearch n'n'daCorna]

Sent.

Apologies for the delay, I've been AFK this morning.

[Tezkat]

I finally scrounged up enough for my first wonder, so I'm broke for the first time in a while, but I should be ready to spread aids again soon. How are we doing on aids and tech trading and whatnot?

I do need a bit more tech, but mostly I just need a buffer so that my tech won't fall below 500 in a war. I think that bringing our top half above 500 tech is pretty important given the changes to the war system (and the fact that the more belligerent nations out there are likely to be tech heavy). Thus, I'd consider subsidising tech to our larger nations by letting them keep a large chunk on the way back up to me. Does that sound like a good idea, or would it just clog up our alliance's aid slots and hamper other efforts to buff up the little guys?

[llearch n'n'daCorna]

I've been buffing the little guys by passing out 1.5m/50T swaps. I figured that was as good as any other way.

Obviously I have a little less spare cash than you do, Mr Moneybags. ;-] At present, I'm pulling down 1.6m/day, but paying 700k in bills, so net is ~800 or so. Obviously that'll change with time, but hey...

[Tezkat]

Heh, whatever works...

So... was that a "Yes, Tez, please buy me some tech" or not?

I figure that, once we get everyone above 1k infra, they're gonna want/need to maintain higher tech levels, so we should get all the farming out of the way while it's still profitable for them.

[Darkdragon]

This seems to be an interesting notion. I would be honoured to join the group.

This is my nation: http://www.cybernations.net/nation_drill_display.asp?Nation_ID=187894

Any starting tips, help, and/or aid would be highly appreciated. Thanks in advance.

[llearch n'n'daCorna]

No, Tez, that wasn't. I won't say no, but I suspect the smaller team members might prefer the attention first.

If you focus on bringing them all above 1k infra, and I'll focus on bringing me up to 500 tech, and we'll see who gets where first. Obviously some of mine is going to affect some of yours, but we'll see.

Sound fair enough? ;-]

DarkDragon, if you look back in Tez's posts, there's a -lot- of instructional stuff. In fact, if you look at some of Kasarn's posts as well....

[Darkdragon]

Thanks. I'll now spend the next hour or so reading this thread carefully in attempt to fully understand what has and have not developed.

[Suwako]

Aid received, ... what was I supposed to do with it? 

gawd, my memory fails..

[Kasarn]

Aid received, ... what was I supposed to do with it? 

gawd, my memory fails..

You can do whatever you like with the money that comes from me. If you don't want it, just reject it and I'll send it to somebody else.

[llearch n'n'daCorna]

Bweeheehee.

Brun appears to have four trades already. Ewps.

He'll have to hold on to the cash until the 12 or 13th, since he's got trades on the 1st and 2nd. Oh, well.

[Brunhidden]

*twiddles thumbs untill he can pass the bucks*

[Brunhidden]

done, i dont know why it took so long for my previous aids to expire

[Fresnor]

Bah, my resource trades are vanishing on me.  Just lost two and a third one is about to go for 20 days inactive also.

[Tezkat]

This seems to be an interesting notion. I would be honoured to join the group.

This is my nation: http://www.cybernations.net/nation_drill_display.asp?Nation_ID=187894

Any starting tips, help, and/or aid would be highly appreciated. Thanks in advance.

Welcome aboard!

You seem to have figured things out quickly enough. Keep it up.

done, i dont know why it took so long for my previous aids to expire

Foreign aids nominally expire after 10 days, but it's 10 days inclusive, which is basically 11 days.


As for my tech farming proposal, I figure that our top three (llearch, Kasarn, and myself) will be sending aid down, so we could have the middle guys (Arc and Valynth, maybe Fresnor or lucas as well) serving as "tech banks" for the alliance. I could send $3 million to one of the new guys, and they could send 50 each to the two bankers. If they do it in series (only buy to 50, wait for the banker to accept, and then rebuy from 0 or thereabouts), that leaves $1.3 to $1.4 million to spend on infrastructure and improvements each cycle (depending on whether or not they have Gold) and still have a slot free to receive aid from someone else (so up to $4.4 million in spending money every 11 days or so). I could reasonably do 3-4 of these every 11 days, receive 50 or 100 tech for my efforts, and leave the bulk of the tech to be spread across the rest of the alliance. We can switch back to stringless boosting after building everyone up, which shouldn't take much more than a few weeks.

Both Kasarn and I are now large enough to drop a full $3 mil with every aid shipment. If we're going to do a bunch of tech trading anyway, it seems like a good idea to concentrate packages like that rather than clogging aid slots with $1.5 mil shipments.

Anyone interested?

Cog and Darkdragon seem to have aid slots free at the moment, so I could start with them. I'm not quite sure what danny is up to. He doesn't seem to have spent the cash Kasarn sent him yet...

[llearch n'n'daCorna]

I pull down just under 1 million/day after bills. I think I'd be pushing it to reach 2-3 cycles/11 days. And I wouldn't be adding any infra to balance out the tech...

I'd be happier doing one cycle, then concentrating on infra, I think. Unless it picks up significantly in the next few weeks, which I'm not sure about - I'm at the point where I can get another clinic in the next couple days, and then a hospital + clinic + stadium, I think, a day or two after that - the hospital will give me 1.5k people, the clinic another 500, so I'd pull 2k people in instantly. Which would rawk.

After that, we'll see how the money works out. I think I'd have to wait a bit anyway, as I'm kinda maxed out for aid at present anyway.


Erm... Assuming you send out one aid, and get two back, there's three of your five available aid slots taken, Tez...

[Tezkat]

I'd be happier doing one cycle, then concentrating on infra, I think. Unless it picks up significantly in the next few weeks, which I'm not sure about - I'm at the point where I can get another clinic in the next couple days, and then a hospital + clinic + stadium, I think, a day or two after that - the hospital will give me 1.5k people, the clinic another 500, so I'd pull 2k people in instantly. Which would rawk.

Heh... this is why it's nice to wait for a few thousand infra before buying clinics--a cascade of bonus improvements every day!

After that, we'll see how the money works out. I think I'd have to wait a bit anyway, as I'm kinda maxed out for aid at present anyway.

Erm... Assuming you send out one aid, and get two back, there's three of your five available aid slots taken, Tez...

...and then 2 more to pay for other members' tech. So $9-12 million out and 50-100 tech back every 11 days. (The other 200 or 350 tech goes to whoever else needs it.) And that's just me. You can add in as much as you want to the program. Basically, I suppose I'm proposing that we turn our little hippy alliance into a socialist tech farm for a few weeks.

The Grämlins had something similar going on when they started out, and they now have the highest average NS of any alliance in the game by a huge margin.

My only concern is the possibility of predatory raiders assaulting our nice, juicy tech banks. Tech raiding is somewhat out of style these days, though...

[llearch n'n'daCorna]

Wow. That's some serious outlay, there. There's no -way- I can manage that level of cash at current rates.

Heck, I don't -get- that much, let alone get that spare. :-P


Some spare cash on hand ot pay for the tech bank's defences would sort things out, I'd think. Enough spare cash to provide a hefty defensive wall...

[Darkdragon]

I'm interested. You can start whenever you are ready.

[Cogidubnus]

Hey, Kasarn, are you wanting tech with that?

*edit: Well, even if you don't, I've got fifty tech with someone's name on it.

[Kasarn]

Not particularly. My aid is all outgoing at the moment... then again, the lowest ranked member I can kick aid to directly is Fresnor.

Meh, I dunno. Ask Tezkat.

[Joe3210]

I just had the time to sign up for this game.

My nation name is "A Nation Name".

[llearch n'n'daCorna]

Join in the alliance, and we'll see where we can fit you in...

[Tezkat]

Wow. That's some serious outlay, there. There's no -way- I can manage that level of cash at current rates.

Heck, I don't -get- that much, let alone get that spare. :-P


Some spare cash on hand ot pay for the tech bank's defences would sort things out, I'd think. Enough spare cash to provide a hefty defensive wall...

Well... I suppose you could volunteer for banking duty/defence then.

The hippies in my nation tried to topple my authoritarian regime by forcing elections, but I managed to stay in power by bribing the populace with spending programs and social security.  Fortunately, they let me raise taxes, so I'm now bringing in about $2.5 mil a day. Of course, I now need to save like $30 mil to make the infra jump or buy another wonder, so the value is all relative, but it does mean I have a bit of spare cash to toss around. I figure Kasarn must be pulling in something in that range as well given that he isn't carrying my ridiculous military bloat. So the two of us could reasonably support all the newbies and still have plenty left over to grow while you work on your infra and whatnot.

I'm interested. You can start whenever you are ready.

On its way. Our designated bankers haven't signed on to the plan yet, but at least $1 mil of that is free spending money for you regardless.

Hey, Kasarn, are you wanting tech with that?

*edit: Well, even if you don't, I've got fifty tech with someone's name on it.

Not that I'd say no to the tech, but I was sorta planning on sending aid down the other way.

[llearch n'n'daCorna]

I'll say yes to banking duty, should you wish it.

In a couple weeks, my answer may well be different. *shrug* We'll see.