1/27/07: Failure

[Boog]

That and creatures don't tend to see fellow creatures as inferior, and would be disinclined to kill them off.

My understanding was that it was a sort of Darwinism; the weak die off and the strong survive, regardless of species. It says in demonology 101 that demons are disinclined to avenge one another because if you get killed, you deserve it.
Then again, it could be to make things look good for the beings; "See? We can be civilized. Now keep selling stuff to us." For all their arrogence, creatures have plenty of reasons to fear beings of late. Advances in technology, meaning they don't have to put up with crap from creatures in order to obtain devices that would otherwise have to be made using magic, and advantage of numbers.

[Aridas]

in response to Fex:

didn't she say she plans ahead most of the time? I think I remember that but I'm not so sure. Well, at least recently.

[Tapewolf]

hmm I think I see through Amber's trick she reads these posts and picks things for the comic we would not think about and with that I deserve a cookie

Shh, don't let her hear that.  It's not true, because the core storyline is planned months in advance, but she can get kind of irritable when people think she's working on-the-fly.  Probably because it comes up so often


Now, as for this three-fingers, two-fingers business.  Furrae such as Dan have three fingers and one thumb.  The shadow we've seen has one thumb and two visible fingers, but it's possible the third is simply obscured.

[Aridas]

That's what I keep saying >_>

*kicks tapewolf for stealing* Bad tapewolf-thing!

[Fex]

sheez I am just joking I hope she does know that ... right ... right

I say that is just kria's owne hand

[Aridas]

kria can't reach that far. And it wouldn't be silhouetted... and we already see BOTH her arms crossed in front of her...

[Sunblink]

sheez I am just joking I hope she does know that ... right ... right

I say that is just kria's owne hand

Kria's own hand? No, in that same panel, it's made rather obvious that Kria's arms are folded. Unless she magically grew another arm which somehow made it to the other end of the panel, I really doubt that's hers.

Also, think about it. It looks nothing like her own arm. There isn't any fur surrounding the wrist of the hand, just the silhouette of what looks like a bracelet.

~Keaton the Black Jackal

EDIT: *waves to Fex*

[Fex]

he keaton long time not seen since df

and that is possible to it is hard to say

[Tapewolf]

That's what I keep saying >_>

I know, but what neither you nor anyone else has done is define 'fingers', which makes your point less obvious.  I'm sure some people are counting the thumb as a finger and that makes the entire discussion confusing, unless we can all agree on what we're discussing  

[Valynth]

Well, she might have killed Glory's group.  I have no idea why everybody was up in arms over Devin and Xander's deaths, but glory and gang are barely even mentioned, save for mocking and punning.

We had time to 'get to know' Devin and Xander. Despite Devin's smartass front, he really was a decent person. Glory + gang had about 10 seconds worth of screen time before all hell broke loose, and all we had was a few "holier than thou" remarks and some comments from Devin implying she was the stereotypical "Lawful Stupid" paladin.

In other words, the former had character development, while the latter were red shirts. So far.

Thats if you refuse to acknowledge that people change.  Personally, I feel sorry for Glory, she might have had unresolved issues before she died, where as Devin burried the hatchet so to speak with Abel.

There's a reason for everything, even Glory's attitude, and I would be interested in seeing exactly what results in a, how do you put it?  Lawful-stupid attitude?

Also, she didn't seem lawful-stupid and she stopped seeing Abel as a threat when Devin vouched for him, in his own way.  Infact, she seemed concerned for both their safety when she tells them to leave. And she could have been very reasonable.  Frankly, I think it's a shame we didn't get to know Glory a bit more.

[superluser]

Now, as for this three-fingers, two-fingers business.  Furrae such as Dan have three fingers and one thumb.  The shadow we've seen has one thumb and two visible fingers, but it's possible the third is simply obscured.

No, we see one finger and one thumb.  We also see space for another finger, presumably not extended.  There is not enough room for three fingers and a thumb.

kria can't reach that far. And it wouldn't be silhouetted... and we already see BOTH her arms crossed in front of her...

She could be a Haggunenon.

[Aridas]

You haven't taken into acccount that the hand could be turned... besides, copy-pasting the same finger doesn't look right. >_>

[superluser]

You know, if DMFA were more formulaic, I'd suggest that the instructor might get one of the `cubi to impersonate Abel for Kria's next lesson.  That might cause Kria to deal with adventuring more harshly, and if Abel ever found out, he'd be reluctant to ever change base form.

You haven't taken into acccount that the hand could be turned...

No, no.  Look to the right of the index finger.  See how the line dips and comes back up?  That's a knuckle.  We only see one.  Also, try to orient your hand that way.  You can't get it to the proper angle without seeing your other fingers, curled into your palm.

[Tapewolf]

Now, as for this three-fingers, two-fingers business.  Furrae such as Dan have three fingers and one thumb.  The shadow we've seen has one thumb and two visible fingers, but it's possible the third is simply obscured.

No, we see one finger and one thumb.  We also see space for another finger, presumably not extended.  There is not enough room for three fingers and a thumb.

Alright then, we see one thumb, one finger, and at least one knuckle.  I'm counting the knuckle as a finger, since the hand gesture is something like this: 
...hence two fingers, one thumb.  I'm open to the possibility that the there is a third finger, but looking at it again, you're right, there should really be an extra dip if what we're seeing two knuckles instead of one.  So it's probably a demon hand like Kria's, albeit a rounder one than she normally has.

[GabrielsThoughts]

hmm I think I see through Amber's trick she reads these posts and picks things for the comic we would not think about and with that I deserve a cookie

Shh, don't let her hear that.  It's not true, because the core storyline is planned months in advance, but she can get kind of irritable when people think she's working on-the-fly.  Probably because it comes up so often

I wouldn't say Amber picks things from the forum so much as  Amber picks things to change.  If somone gets a close to what she was originally planning on,  then it will be changed to suit her need to feel important, what you are spotting that looks like a plot twist or off the cuff planning  is a secondary option. Not unlike when she started writing about Abel and not about all the third party B.S.

The most I believe amber has is an outline for events she wants to happen, but I don't think an outline Qualifies as months in advance...or she'll have some text in mind but change it up a bit once she starts to make it webready.

[Anri]

That might cause Kria to deal with adventuring more harshly, and if Abel ever found out, he'd be reluctant to ever change base form.

I'd personally think that learning of the deception that lead to one of your parents to bed with someone who wasn't what they seemed and resulting in yourself might also be a bit traumatic in that sense. I'm still up in the air over a 'cubi impersonating his 'father' and his mother being a 'cubi. Or heck, even just his father being one. WE SHALL SEE!

[Tiger_T]

Poor Selev.

All we knew about thee is thy name.





Just because.

[Goatmon]

Anyway....that's her hand.  Clearly.

Unless she developed a detachable third hand recently, we can see both of her hands in panel one, PLUS a third hand in silhouette in panel one.  To quote Goatmon:``You should pay more attention to the forum.''

I actually thought people were talking about the black hand.  I had no idea people were talking about the sliver of brown at the bottom.   It's just wood.....how the hell are people making a hand out of a patch of brown behind the gap in her wing?  There's a small patch of brown at her waist that matches the color of the wood belonging to the building behind her.  You can even see that the colors of the "hand" matches the wood.

Besides, the guy talking in that panel would have to have an awfully long reach in order to be tugging at her right waist while she's facing the right while the speaker is off panel to the right side. 

[Aridas]

Are you even paying attention? Nobody's tugging at anyone's anything...

[Goatmon]

Nobody's tugging at anyone's anything...

Exactly.   

[Aridas]

So then why are you saying it? So far everything you've said about the bleeding obvious has been wrong... Anything else?

[Goatmon]

I just checked the last page again to see if perhaps I was looking in the wrong place.  I didn't even notice the hand at first, since her wings are black and white to begin with, so it didn't even register when I first saw that panel.  If I hadn't looked straight at it I never woulda seen it. 

My mistake.   

[Aridas]

yup.

<.<

>.>

[Kazairl]

I'm interested in the implications of the last panel.  Abel appears to be crying again.  Did he hear that conversation and become upset that Kria was part of the group that killed Devin and Xander?  Or was he upset that Kria still considered him a baby?  Kria and The Sinister Unknown weren't exactly whispering.  Especially Kria...

[Aridas]

he could just still be crying from the incident while he's running away... we don't see any proof he was listening.

[Sunblink]

I'm interested in the implications of the last panel.  Abel appears to be crying again.  Did he hear that conversation and become upset that Kria was part of the group that killed Devin and Xander?  Or was he upset that Kria still considered him a baby?  Kria and The Sinister Unknown weren't exactly whispering.  Especially Kria...

Upset that Kria considered him a baby? Even if Abel would've taken offense to that otherwise, I'm sure he would've had MUCH more pressing matters on his mind. Such as, say, getting a close-up view of the grisly murder of Devin and the dead body of Xander. After all of that, would he have even given a damn that Kria thought he was a child?

Besides, I'm fairly sure that Abel was too far away from Kria and her cohorts to overhear what they were debating about.

~Keaton the Black Jackal

[superluser]

Upset that Kria considered him a baby?

More likely, upset that Kria considered him special enough not to be a target, which implies that others, who were less special, were targets.  It takes very little effort to come to the conclusion that Devin & al. were targets.

Of course, this assumes that he heard them.

Besides, I'm fairly sure that Abel was too far away from Kria and her cohorts to overhear what they were debating about.

Sound carries in open areas pretty well.  It's probably been all of 30 seconds or so since Abel started running; he couldn't have gotten far.  Note also that compared to humans, felines have extremely acute hearing.  If Kria were yelling, Abel should have been able to hear it.

Of course, in extremely stressful situations, your fight or flight reflex kicks in and you start to get tunnel vision--and tunnel hearing, to a certain extent.  That's a reasonable explanation for Abel not hearing Kria.

[Boog]

I'd personally think that learning of the deception that lead to one of your parents to bed with someone who wasn't what they seemed and resulting in yourself might also be a bit traumatic in that sense.

I dunno, King Arthur learned to cope. May or may not be a bad example, but still.

[Sunblink]

More likely, upset that Kria considered him special enough not to be a target, which implies that others, who were less special, were targets.  It takes very little effort to come to the conclusion that Devin & al. were targets.

Of course, this assumes that he heard them.

Hmm, agreed. It also makes me wonder if Kria would've killed Devin and Xander without any qualms whatsoever, unless this is a more conscious Kria.

Sound carries in open areas pretty well.  It's probably been all of 30 seconds or so since Abel started running; he couldn't have gotten far.  Note also that compared to humans, felines have extremely acute hearing.  If Kria were yelling, Abel should have been able to hear it.

Of course, in extremely stressful situations, your fight or flight reflex kicks in and you start to get tunnel vision--and tunnel hearing, to a certain extent.  That's a reasonable explanation for Abel not hearing Kria.

I'm going to agree again, though determining volume of voice--in Kria's situation--is rather difficult when you only have an exclamation point to go by, and not an actual voice. But like you said, Abel could've been so focused on GTFO'ing the area, and so distressed by the events which had occured, that he could've entirely missed what Kria had said.

~Keaton the Black Jackal

[superluser]

I dunno, King Arthur learned to cope. May or may not be a bad example, but still.

Well, Arthur wasn't a slightly more neurotic version of Stan Laurel.  Arthur could get through it, but Abel doesn't have that sort of inner composure.  He may have the same sort of inner strength, a la Rincewind.

Also, we're not arguing about why Abel is neurotic.  We're arguing about why Abel doesn't want to change base forms.  Seems reasonable to me.  Your father seduced your mother pretending to be her husband, so you don't want to change forms.  Doesn't sound that strange.

I'm going to agree again, though determining volume of voice--in Kria's situation--is rather difficult when you only have an exclamation point to go by

Well, I'll admit that I can't recall how loud a horse's whinny is in real life, but I'd bet that Kria is at least a decibel above that.