Okay, so Aliph isn't exactly pleased with this turn of events. And Dan isn't exactly doing so hot. Well, let's see where this goes, and if Aliph/Kria will heal Dan out of some sense of familial obligation.
Seriously, Amber, don't hurt your hand worse.
EDIT: Apparently, Regina did not go far. And has recovered fairly quickly. Bummer.
So I'm confused, Kria and DP both seem to claim this as their home. (I know, minor detail!) But DP seems for the moment to hesitate...
Also, I like Kria's wing markings, very nice!
Edit: Seriously, if this is the last comic for a week because of the injury I won't complain! Don't kill yourself!
DOS attack on the foruuuuuuuum! D: D: D: Cannot Display Page! CANNOT DISPLAY PAGE! :O
Quote from: techmaster-glitch on March 22, 2009, 03:23:31 AM
DOS attack on the foruuuuuuuum! D: D: D: Cannot Display Page! CANNOT DISPLAY PAGE! :O
Breathe! Breathe! Deep slow breaths! It's over! There there, relax... :hug Everything's okay. There there.
Also, interesting treatment for special guests. Can't kill 'em even if they're mortal foes. I suspect Regina will get grounded if she tries to kick Dan while he's down.
No fair! DP seems to have fared better in the fight than Dan did... harumph! :)
And yeah, be careful with your hand, Amber.
Quote from: Psy-Kosh on March 22, 2009, 03:25:48 AM
No fair! DP seems to have fared better in the fight than Dan did... harumph! :)
And yeah, be careful with your hand, Amber.
Yeah, Dan seems pretty bad off while DP seems to be just getting warmed up... what's up with that? It can't be a better pain tolerance, and Dan was able to prevail before.
A home turf advantage, perhaps?
Edit: And yes, I noticed DP's possible broken arm. But chest wound loses to broken arm... most of the time.
Quote from: jimsan on March 22, 2009, 03:30:19 AM
Quote from: Psy-Kosh on March 22, 2009, 03:25:48 AM
No fair! DP seems to have fared better in the fight than Dan did... harumph! :)
And yeah, be careful with your hand, Amber.
Yeah, Dan seems pretty bad off while DP seems to be just getting warmed up... what's up with that? It can't be a better pain tolerance, and Dan was able to prevail before.
A home turf advantage, perhaps?
Possibly that Dan was A) unprepared for a fight with DP (notice how poorly he did the first time he fought DP to the last time they fought) and/or B) tired out from his pursuit of Regina, including railing against an immovable door for a minute or so.
Dan warning Lorenda about DP... Ok, he was either not paying attention or not very much in the cleverness department... In his defense, he has lost a lot of blood :kruger
DP also seems quite pissed about Dan being Lorenda's boyfriend... He does care for her then, I wonder if he was trully like a father for her.
Quote from: Jairus on March 22, 2009, 03:25:21 AM
Breathe! Breathe! Deep slow breaths! It's over! There there, relax... :hug Everything's okay. There there.
*huff huff...whuf...* Yes...over...
Hokay, enough sillyness. This has happened before, but I can recall exactly when. Anyone remember any specific instances where a DMFA update cause the forum to lock up in the resultant fan traffic?
On the proper topic, I'm also not really very happy with Dan getting trounced here, as I've said before, but oh well. We'll just have to see how Amber pans it out from here.
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Quote from: jimsan on March 22, 2009, 03:30:19 AM
Quote from: Psy-Kosh on March 22, 2009, 03:25:48 AM
No fair! DP seems to have fared better in the fight than Dan did... harumph! :)
And yeah, be careful with your hand, Amber.
Yeah, Dan seems pretty bad off while DP seems to be just getting warmed up... what's up with that? It can't be a better pain tolerance, and Dan was able to prevail before.
A home turf advantage, perhaps?
Possibly that Dan was A) unprepared for a fight with DP (notice how poorly he did the first time he fought DP to the last time they fought) and/or B) tired out from his pursuit of Regina, including railing against an immovable door for a minute or so.
I would think a minute of immovable door railing would be a warm up for Dan, myself, but I'm no "adventurer personal trainer" :U. Since he fought this opponent twice before, he should know what to expect, unless this particular opponent was smart enough to hold back the first two times to the point of dying......
Dark Pegasus is on a straight path to becoming my favourite villain in DMFA. His last remark left me giggling for quite some time.
Oh, Kria, you loveable psychopath, you're enjoying this, aren't you?
Dan probably did as poorly as he did because he didn't have a good weapon with him at the time (and because he didn't do the smart thing and attack DP from a distance).
Also, looks like Dan didn't quite sever DP's arm.
Eesh. Coughing up blood. Punctured lung perhaps? I too am not enthused with Dan being beaten so soundly.
Also, LOOK A TYPO!
Quote from: jimsan on March 22, 2009, 03:38:35 AM
I would think a minute of immovable door railing would be a warm up for Dan, myself, but I'm no "adventurer personal trainer" :U. Since he fought this opponent twice before, he should know what to expect, unless this particular opponent was smart enough to hold back the first two times to the point of dying......
Or DP has learnt from his previous mistakes
Quote from: Teh_Hobo on March 22, 2009, 03:46:24 AM
Also, LOOK A TYPO!
Shhhh, Amber must not know we noticed it
Quote from: jimsan on March 22, 2009, 03:22:31 AM
So I'm confused, Kria and DP both seem to claim this as their home. (I know, minor detail!) But DP seems for the moment to hesitate...
Simple, it's probably both of their homes. Given the size it would probably be called the Soulstealer mansion, and if Kira and DP's parents owned it then instead of going to one given offspring it might have been set as the family's home where they will always have a place to stay... but that's just speculation and even then, Kira stays there more and so would probably have more control/say than DP. Also I would not be surprised if arguments between demons can often result in fights, and if that is true then DP is at a disadvantage.
But ignoring property ownership debates, I love DP's reaction.
As for how well they did in the fight... keep in mind that Dan's only weapon in this fight was his wings. The three other times Dan has killed DP he has had his swords with him. The lack of swords helps DP in two aspects. First Dan has more experience fighting with swords. He has had very little training about how to fight with his wings (to my knowledge). Second, it is easier to use a sword for both offense and defense when you compare it to the wings. A sword it usually always between you and your opponent. The wings appear to more come in from the sides when attacking. Having your weapons hit from the sides is useful when attacking because it's harder to defend against, but it sacrifices defense.
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Quote from: jimsan on March 22, 2009, 03:38:35 AM
I would think a minute of immovable door railing would be a warm up for Dan, myself, but I'm no "adventurer personal trainer" :U. Since he fought this opponent twice before, he should know what to expect, unless this particular opponent was smart enough to hold back the first two times to the point of dying......
Or DP has learnt from his previous mistakes
Now that's a scary thought, a villain that learns from their mistakes!
Quote from: Teh_Hobo on March 22, 2009, 03:46:24 AM
Also, LOOK A TYPO!
Shhhh, Amber must not know we noticed it
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I didn't see any typo in there dialouge! (and I thought I was detail oriented!)
It's right their in the first panel!
...and why *doesn't* Dan have a sword, anyway? Did he leave it in his shirt pocket? :B
Actually, I bet he lost because he recently underwent a class change from Adventurer to Cubi, so he's back to level 1. And worse, it's an advanced class, so it'll take like 10 times the experience to level up as the base class used to.
Maybe 100 times -- Abel was in school for 400 years. :erk
Quote from: terrycloth on March 22, 2009, 04:04:18 AM
...and why *doesn't* Dan have a sword, anyway? Did he leave it in his shirt pocket? :B
he left it in his other dress. :U
dan's not looking so good... :(
Quote from: terrycloth on March 22, 2009, 04:04:18 AM
It's right their in the first panel!
...and why *doesn't* Dan have a sword, anyway? Did he leave it in his shirt pocket? :B
Actually, I bet he lost because he recently underwent a class change from Adventurer to Cubi, so he's back to level 1. And worse, it's an advanced class, so it'll take like 10 times the experience to level up as the base class used to.
Maybe 100 times -- Abel was in school for 400 years. :erk
I'm not sure if you can really call it a class change. Cubi is a race instead of a class. As for the swords... maybe he can only use his pull a sword out of nowhere when he is wearing a robe/dress? Or something else that you could hide a large blade in? As for able going to school for a couple hundred years... remember Abel's current classes are tennis and grass growing. He also mentioned he took 5 years of ventriloquism instead of seduction. With those classes than are known... what other kinds of classes did he take? Underwater basket weaving? Extreme origami making? SAIA probably has every class you can think of and a few you can't, so I'm not sure how much you can take at face value.
Actually, Dan not having a sword is a good point to bring up, because I swear his cast page/Alexsi's cast page says he's able to randomly summon up swords....... if he's able to, then why didn't he? Maybe he can't anymore now that he's cubi........
just a thought
Um, is it just me or does DP sound a bit, well, jealous in that last panel?
Quote from: senrath on March 22, 2009, 04:38:45 AM
Um, is it just me or does DP sound a bit, well, jealous in that last panel?
mmmmmm I'm not sure, to me he sounds just angry......
And I think DP's arm is possibly broken, either that or the muscle's been cut up in such a way that he can't use it.........
Quote from: senrath on March 22, 2009, 04:38:45 AM
Um, is it just me or does DP sound a bit, well, jealous in that last panel?
Well, how would you feel if your beloved niece was dating your most hated enemy?
Quote from: senrath on March 22, 2009, 04:38:45 AM
Um, is it just me or does DP sound a bit, well, jealous in that last panel?
Jealous of whom? If it's of Dan being with Lorenda that would be disturbing... (he'd be one of
those uncles!)
I can't think of anything else, except maybe Dan acting on his own, who he thought was able to be more dastardly than himself by getting in good with the family?
Edit: Clarification. :P
I love love the "wing" defense as an extra ward off but his expression is priceless. I just cna't help but feel that may be repercussions for this un later though Regina clearly saw some sense to back off for once.
Yeah, would be kinda disturbing if he was jelous of Dan getting Lorenda.......
Has dan's clan marking appeared fully now, or not? I can't tell.......
also, slightly off topic, but is the little horn thing on DP's nose natural or something like piercing?
Quote from: Buhamet on March 22, 2009, 04:54:50 AM
also, slightly off topic, but is the little horn thing on DP's nose natural or something like piercing?
Implant - says so on his cast page.
feel the need to say...kria's wing-block looks wicked cool.
i think DP is less jealous and more INFURIATED. his niece is now "dating" his sworn mortal enemy, who killed him twice (three times? i'm spacing on details) now. someone kills you a couple times, trashes your base, foils your plans repeatedly...you're not going to take kindly to him suddenly being near-family.
also i think amber's gone over this before, but the correct way to handle typo-spotting is to contact her privately about it so she can correct it, not to trumpet it on the board :B
Quote from: icarus on March 22, 2009, 05:00:45 AM
i think DP is less jealous and more INFURIATED. his niece is now "dating" his sworn mortal enemy, who killed him twice (three times? i'm spacing on details) now. someone kills you a couple times, trashes your base, foils your plans repeatedly...you're not going to take kindly to him suddenly being near-family.
Dan's killed DP three times now. #941 (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_941.php) mentions that Kira has resurrected DP twice before now which logically means he has been killed 3 times. DP's cast page mentioned that he has tried the same ploy 3 times now with the same result. We know from #157 (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_157.php) what the result of the third time was, so the other two times must have also ended with Dan killing him. But the fact that he tried the same thing three times and they all ended the same way brings to question just how well DP can learn from prior experiences. I would think that after trying the same thing twice and getting killed both times would make one rethink his scheme... unless union rules force one to try the same scheme at least three times or you have to go through a bunch of paperwork to change it. In that case then you have problems.
Quote from: icarus on March 22, 2009, 05:00:45 AM
feel the need to say...kria's wing-block looks wicked cool.
i think DP is less jealous and more INFURIATED. his niece is now "dating" his sworn mortal enemy, who killed him twice (three times? i'm spacing on details) now. someone kills you a couple times, trashes your base, foils your plans repeatedly...you're not going to take kindly to him suddenly being near-family.
also i think amber's gone over this before, but the correct way to handle typo-spotting is to contact her privately about it so she can correct it, not to trumpet it on the board :B
Yikes, sorry!
I wasn't trying to hurt feelings. Just reveling in the human condition. Won't happen again! ( I'm still kinda new)
And yeah, gotta agree with the anger over jealousy thing...
Maybe it took DP this long to file the paperwork for a butwhooping to the evil union, only to find out he can't!
Quote from: Kenway975 on March 22, 2009, 05:20:53 AM
Quote from: icarus on March 22, 2009, 05:00:45 AM
i think DP is less jealous and more INFURIATED. his niece is now "dating" his sworn mortal enemy, who killed him twice (three times? i'm spacing on details) now. someone kills you a couple times, trashes your base, foils your plans repeatedly...you're not going to take kindly to him suddenly being near-family.
Dan's killed DP three times now. #941 (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_941.php) mentions that Kira has resurrected DP twice before now which logically means he has been killed 3 times. DP's cast page mentioned that he has tried the same ploy 3 times now with the same result. We know from #157 (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_157.php) what the result of the third time was, so the other two times must have also ended with Dan killing him. But the fact that he tried the same thing three times and they all ended the same way brings to question just how well DP can learn from prior experiences. I would think that after trying the same thing twice and getting killed both times would make one rethink his scheme... unless union rules force one to try the same scheme at least three times or you have to go through a bunch of paperwork to change it. In that case then you have problems.
Dan has not killed him three times. Defeated yes. Killed no. If you work through your own logic... if he's been dead twice.. He's only had had to be revived twice. It's a one for one deal.
Also, what does Kria keeping her word have to do with DP's learning curve? He has something he needs to do and so he instructed her to bring him back. He cannot rest until he's gone and done whatever it is (something to do with a dark god) so he has to transcend death itself in order to complete his task.
keep in mind what lorenda said in #941 (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_941.php), particularly the bit involving "after the first two times she did it", which would mean that Kira has already done it twice and is doing it a third time. And it's slightly hard to do a third revival of someone who has only been dead twice. Also remember that the cast page says that all three attempts ended with the same result. The result of the third attempt included Dan killing DP, ergo the other two times also involved Dan killing DP.
just when you think you have all the reasons to kill someone they give you another reason to kill them
Quote from: Kenway975 on March 22, 2009, 05:43:50 AM
keep in mind what lorenda said in #941 (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_941.php), particularly the bit involving "after the first two times she did it", which would mean that Kira has already done it twice and is doing it a third time. And it's slightly hard to do a third revival of someone who has only been dead twice. Also remember that the cast page says that all three attempts ended with the same result. The result of the third attempt included Dan killing DP, ergo the other two times also involved Dan killing DP.
The other possibility is that the end result was Dan defeating DP (Defeat != Killing). We know from the arc that shows his first square off against DP that he didn't kill him then. That's one down. They've faced off three times. Guess that leaves.. two times that
Dan has killed him. Other adventurers out there could have killed him.
Quote from: Mao Laoren on March 22, 2009, 06:07:51 AM
Quote from: Kenway975 on March 22, 2009, 05:43:50 AM
keep in mind what lorenda said in #941 (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_941.php), particularly the bit involving "after the first two times she did it", which would mean that Kira has already done it twice and is doing it a third time. And it's slightly hard to do a third revival of someone who has only been dead twice. Also remember that the cast page says that all three attempts ended with the same result. The result of the third attempt included Dan killing DP, ergo the other two times also involved Dan killing DP.
The other possibility is that the end result was Dan defeating DP (Defeat != Killing). We know from the arc that shows his first square off against DP that he didn't kill him then. That's one down. They've faced off three times. Guess that leaves.. two times that Dan has killed him. Other adventurers out there could have killed him.
At the same time, Dan's first adventure did not exactly end with Dan defeating DP. In fact it was more the other way around with DP easily defeating Dan. Also remember that in #118 (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_118.php) Dan's responses are "Again?!?" and correctly guessing DP's plot. While you might be able to account for that with one defeat, in my opinion the reaction would not include exclamation marks if he had only defeating him once. Two defeats would give Dan enough of a track record to be able to easily guess by. Also, this could be me not remembering, but where does it say Dan has faced DP only three times?
Quote from: DP's Cast Page
Years later he made a slight comeback with a different plan involving some forgotten dark god, only for him to be defeated by a novice adventurer Daniel Ti'Fiona. He's been back two other times with the same attempt...and the same results.
Not definitive, but I'd say thwarting an plan counts as a defeat. So if that line of thought is right.. I count three. Two we can see throughout the comic and one that's referenced heavily. Anyone got a spork?
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I'm not sure how much Dan's first adventure counted as a thwarting of anything. After DP trounced Dan and others, DP even went to a sit down restaurant. I just might not have been exposed to much, but I would think that most villains after their plans have been thwarted would not be as so nonchalant as DP was in #932 (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_932.php). And as DP mentioned in #917 (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_917.php), he found a better resource so he did not need the maidens any more. To me it was more that DP had a change of plans instead of having his plans thwarted. But that's my perception, and I'm not sure if I'm right or not.
Love the new comic -- so much to see and contemplate. I find it interesting that Dan seems totally back to himself here -- well, as the Dan we know, though he's still a bit out of it - deep chest wounds will do that to you. Although in a rather confused state, he's still trying to be the hero here, trying to protect Lorenda.
I think Dan may have gone on a semi-rampage (Cubi style) when he went after Regina and was still in the grip of it when he went after DP. He wasn't thinking as an experienced adventurer and didn't attack as one, thus his somewhat poor showing. He's still a baby Cubi after all -- losing oneself to emotions seems to be one of their little weaknesses (one I'm sure they can train to overcome, but I doubt Dan has any training in this yet). He had to learn this control to become a good adventurer -- so now he's going to have to relearn a few things.
Next page, I expect Kria to tell Regina that she'd better scram while Dan is distracted and make herself really scarce for a while. And DP has no doubt had better days - heh, Dan as family does seem to really push DP's buttons. :erk
BTW - Dan has *killed* DP three times (the last time we saw) -- Dan has *fought* DP at least 4 times before this time. The first time we saw, ending with Dan's easy defeat and DP gone out to a nice restaurant. Dan didn't thwart anything the first time - in fact, DP hadn't even gotten warmed up on his plan at that point: http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_919.php I wouldn't be surprised if Dan and DP have fought more times than that. Kria has resurrected DP *twice* before this time -- Lorenda said so: http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_941.php One typically does not bother to resurrect someone who isn't dead.
I, too, enjoyed the wing-block - wings are an interesting body part for emotiveness and gesturing. And Kria always looks cool, probably my favorite character design in the comic (though I do love Abel's design as well - I guess I just like the characters who are the biggest pain for Amber to draw :P).
I also greatly enjoyed Lorenda's comforting of Dan, and Dan's response to it.
QuoteDan warning Lorenda about DP... Ok, he was either not paying attention or not very much in the cleverness department... In his defense, he has lost a lot of blood
Its less that and more "Dan thinks DP is a monster" and "Dan isn't thinking straight." Dan does see Aliph as a monster, not as a person, I think. Indeed, Dan depersonalizes a lot of creatures.
QuoteWell, how would you feel if your beloved niece was dating your most hated enemy?
Well, Dan IS hot...
Besides, its to be expected if you're an evil overlord.
Quote from: jimsan on March 22, 2009, 03:56:51 AM
I didn't see any typo in there dialouge! (and I thought I was detail oriented!)
Irony, how I love thee... ;-]
I had been wondering how they were going to separate Dan and DP. Looks like that part just got skipped.
I mean, how do you separate a thing with tentacles (possibly more or less wrapped around something) from another. Now consider this thing is a cubi whose tencales may resemble very sharp objects. Also add nice fact that this cubi is very angry and doesnt listen for reason and for this same reason these possibly very sharp tentacles might be moving around quite fast.
Didn't even add possibility of Dan's reaction when someone suddenly grabs him during the fight with someone he wants to destroy. Maybe he has just taken so much hit that he didn't really put up a fight at this point.
I hope that wasnt too incoherent and is understandable...
Quote from: Titanium Dragon on March 22, 2009, 07:14:07 AM
Its less that and more "Dan thinks DP is a monster" and "Dan isn't thinking straight." Dan does see Aliph as a monster, not as a person, I think. Indeed, Dan depersonalizes a lot of creatures.
That seems likely. Evil people or no, it's probably something that happens to you if you have an adventuring career. And it looks like Dan very much needed rescuing. I see a few rather interesting things to come of this:
1. Dan starts to accept that he does need to learn more and is open to the idea of learning from Abel or as a part-time student at the Academy
2. Dan failed to prevent the resurrection of DP. Is he going to tell Biggstania? Indeed, did Dee brief the real Biggs on the fact that Dan was sent to attack DP, in case Dan reports to him instead? Specifically I'm wondering what Dee would make of "He was resurrected by a rogue faction of the Soulstealer family, he practically killed me and I only survived because his sister thinks I'm engaged to his niece." Will she go to finish him off?
3. While Dan put up a good fight which didn't succeed, Fi has utterly failed and failed
hard. Dan was nearly killed because it disobeyed Abel's instructions. It seems unlikely that they'll be able to heal Dan to the point at which his injuries are invisible. Abel is going to know, Fi is going to be in
trouble.
4. I'd say Dan's going to be out of action for a few days. A maimed, half-dead Dan turning up at Lost Lake could show us Alexsi and Abel's more caring sides, which would be interesting to see.
What is bugging me though, apart from the infuriating fact that Dan has lost
yet again, is why Dan set off to tackle DP's minions without going back for his sword in the first place.
Quote from: Kenway975 on March 22, 2009, 04:16:26 AM
Quote from: terrycloth on March 22, 2009, 04:04:18 AM
It's right their in the first panel!
...and why *doesn't* Dan have a sword, anyway? Did he leave it in his shirt pocket? :B
Actually, I bet he lost because he recently underwent a class change from Adventurer to Cubi, so he's back to level 1. And worse, it's an advanced class, so it'll take like 10 times the experience to level up as the base class used to.
Maybe 100 times -- Abel was in school for 400 years. :erk
I'm not sure if you can really call it a class change. Cubi is a race instead of a class. As for the swords... maybe he can only use his pull a sword out of nowhere when he is wearing a robe/dress? Or something else that you could hide a large blade in? As for able going to school for a couple hundred years... remember Abel's current classes are tennis and grass growing. He also mentioned he took 5 years of ventriloquism instead of seduction. With those classes than are known... what other kinds of classes did he take? Underwater basket weaving? Extreme origami making? SAIA probably has every class you can think of and a few you can't, so I'm not sure how much you can take at face value.
At the risk of adding further geeky to the forum....
It's not a class change it's a race change, in D&D stuff more powerful races (e.g half-angel) have a 'level adjustment' which means they have to earn that much more experience to go up a level in their chosen class. So the half angel mentioned above (+4 level adjustment ) would need far more experience than a human of the same class.
So Dan has gone from being adventurer to cubi adventurer (no idea what the level adjustment on that is)
p.s also yes he could be considered a being untill he cubi traits surfaced, see Hybrid genetics 2 (http://www.missmab.com/Demo/HG02.php) for when this this species template is applied.
Suppressing geeky self now...
Quote from: Tapewolf on March 22, 2009, 08:10:51 AM
3. While Dan put up a good fight which didn't succeed, Fi has utterly failed and failed hard. Dan was nearly killed because it disobeyed Abel's instructions. It seems unlikely that they'll be able to heal Dan to the point at which his injuries are invisible. Abel is going to know, Fi is going to be in trouble.
I had the same thought. Fi is supposed to pull Dan out of trouble. Instead he was snacking! As for healing, Abel had his wing ripped in half by Aary and got healed with no scars. This might require a trip to the Cubi Academy infirmary, however. Fi might still prove useful for that.
Quote from: Tapewolf on March 22, 2009, 08:10:51 AM
4. I'd say Dan's going to be out of action for a few days. A maimed, half-dead Dan turning up at Lost Lake could show us Alexsi and Abel's more caring sides, which would be interesting to see.
If he has broken ribs and cuts, yes. If he has a partially collapsed ribcage, no.
Quote from: Tapewolf on March 22, 2009, 08:10:51 AM
What is bugging me though, apart from the infuriating fact that Dan has lost yet again, is why Dan set off to tackle DP's minions without going back for his sword in the first place.
Maybe. . . . because Dan isn't all that smart? :) Actually, I'd chalk the most likely reasons to be that he thinks he's twice the badass he ever was because of his newfound Cubi abilities, plus he has Fi to rely upon for getting backup or a quick retreat.
As far as missing his sword, have we ever seen Dan actually magically conjure up a sword? We've only seen Abel do that. It's not clear that Dan knows how/has the training necessary yet to do so.
On the other hand, it could be that Dan does know how to do so but either neglected to do so in his Berserker mode or needs to concentrate to do it.
Quote from: Buhamet on March 22, 2009, 04:36:57 AM
Actually, Dan not having a sword is a good point to bring up, because I swear his cast page/Alexsi's cast page says he's able to randomly summon up swords....... if he's able to, then why didn't he? Maybe he can't anymore now that he's cubi........
just a thought
Actually he should have been able to because of the comic where Abel got swords from nowhere so logically he should be able to too.
Quote from: Kenway975 on March 22, 2009, 05:20:53 AMDan's killed DP three times now.
Regarding this, I checked back and in Dan's fight with DP in the past, it is mentioned he thwarted him twice (http://missmab.com/Comics/Vol_150.php) but slayed him once (http://missmab.com/Comics/Vol_153.php). So the other death of DP is lost to mystery.
As for Dan not looking good, that's kind of the reason he was fighting instinctively, it wasn't a subconscious decision to use his wings to break that arm, judging from the eye glow and the clan marking manifestation. If that had continued, I don't think either of them would have lived, because Dan probably would have somehow killed him and died of his injuries mere seconds after.
And yup, the marking is still there! ^_^ Faint trace in panel 1.
Quote from: Michael Chandra on March 22, 2009, 09:24:56 AM
Quote from: Kenway975 on March 22, 2009, 05:20:53 AMDan's killed DP three times now.
Regarding this, I checked back and in Dan's fight with DP in the past, it is mentioned he thwarted him twice (http://missmab.com/Comics/Vol_150.php) but slayed him once (http://missmab.com/Comics/Vol_153.php). So the other death of DP is lost to mystery.
Thank you for finding the actual evidence to end the debate, and proving I was wrong.
Moving on then
Quote from: JackTheCubiFerret on March 22, 2009, 09:20:18 AM
Quote from: Buhamet on March 22, 2009, 04:36:57 AM
Actually, Dan not having a sword is a good point to bring up, because I swear his cast page/Alexsi's cast page says he's able to randomly summon up swords....... if he's able to, then why didn't he? Maybe he can't anymore now that he's cubi........
just a thought
Actually he should have been able to because of the comic where Able got swords from nowhere so logically he should be able to too.
One possible reason Dan did not bring out any swords is that using swords would have been a smart idea. Most smart ideas usually require one to be calm/in control of their tempers in order to come up with the idea. If you keep in mind his emotional state since Regina showed up, he has not been thinking clearly. By the time he gained mostly coherent though back, it was too late because DP was gouging Dan with his arm/claws.
you folks just KNOW Wildy's gonna milk this for all it's worth if/when she finds out. >:3
Quote from: jeffh4 on March 22, 2009, 09:17:14 AM
If he has broken ribs and cuts, yes. If he has a partially collapsed ribcage, no.
Is that 'no' as in "it'll take more than a few days", or 'no' as in "he's going to be running around like a puppy having had a life-threatening injury mere hours before"?
Given that they have healing magic it could be either...
QuoteMaybe. . . . because Dan isn't all that smart? :) Actually, I'd chalk the most likely reasons to be that he thinks he's twice the badass he ever was because of his newfound Cubi abilities, plus he has Fi to rely upon for getting backup or a quick retreat.
He is supposedly an adventurer. Also I don't think he knows that Fi was told to watch out for him. From his attitude to Abel before I think he'd assume it was spying on him for some nefarious 'Cubi reason.
QuoteAs far as missing his sword, have we ever seen Dan actually magically conjure up a sword?
No, we only have the word that he can do this in his profile.
Quote from: Turnsky on March 22, 2009, 09:40:49 AM
you folks just KNOW Wildy's gonna milk this for all it's worth if/when she finds out. >:3
Oh dear, I hadn't thought of that.
This leads me to think... If he reacted like this over his niece, what would happen if it were his sister?
Quote from: Jack McSlay on March 22, 2009, 09:59:37 AM
This leads me to think... If he reacted like this over his niece, what would happen if it were his sister?
"I think I'll just get back in my grave now."
could be worse, Mab could've intervened, and considering how badly mauled Dan is right now... yeeeeeg.
I've just noticed Regina in the last panel, peeping around the door to see if it's safe to come out yet. Awesome.
awww... tape beat me to the whole pointing out timid Regina... personally i think she looks adorable... but maybe that's just me...
Quote from: Tapewolf on March 22, 2009, 10:19:49 AMI've just noticed Regina in the last panel, peeping around the door to see if it's safe to come out yet. Awesome.
I noticed it too, but I didn't find it overlookable enough that most people wouldn't. meh...
And is it just me or is Amber making a Gurren-Lagann reference with the website's title?
Quote from: Jack McSlay on March 22, 2009, 10:33:44 AM
I noticed it too, but I didn't find it overlookable enough that most people wouldn't. meh...
Well, it was her attitude and posture that I overlooked before...
Quote from: Tapewolf on March 22, 2009, 10:19:49 AM
I've just noticed Regina in the last panel, peeping around the door to see if it's safe to come out yet. Awesome.
So
that's what she is doing! I thought she was just standing there with her arms crossed. Hehe, those horns make her have such a big head.
Quote from: Jack McSlay on March 22, 2009, 10:33:44 AM
And is it just me or is Amber making a Gurren-Lagann reference with the website's title?
Since I started humming that song when I saw the title today, I'd think yes.
Well it doesn't seem like Aliph has come back less himself.
Quote from: Pagan on March 22, 2009, 10:39:14 AM
Quote from: Jack McSlay on March 22, 2009, 10:33:44 AM
And is it just me or is Amber making a Gurren-Lagann reference with the website's title?
Since I started humming that song when I saw the title today, I'd think yes.
Or quite possibly not (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fight_the_Power).
Quote from: Tapewolf on March 22, 2009, 10:35:01 AM
Quote from: Jack McSlay on March 22, 2009, 10:33:44 AM
I noticed it too, but I didn't find it overlookable enough that most people wouldn't. meh...
Well, it was her attitude and posture that I overlooked before...
well, if she thought Dan was scary, just wait until she meets Abel..
"not touching yoooouuu..." >:3
Amber's tempting fate with her rant, IMO.
Quote from: Tapewolf on March 22, 2009, 10:19:49 AM
I've just noticed Regina in the last panel, peeping around the door to see if it's safe to come out yet. Awesome.
Looks to me as if she is just chillin, leaning against the doorway with a confused face on, possibly wondering why DP has stoped pwning Dan :/
fortunately for Dan, Kria hasn't read Wildy's book or she would have thought Jyrras, Dan, and Lorenda were all working for the dark side... :mwaha
1. Amber, as impatient as we insatiable forumites are, please don't risk aggravating a hand injury. Haven't you ever read "My brother sam is dead?" ( and yes, I know, the two injuries are hardly equivalent, but let me indulge in a dram of hyperbole, please?)
2. I'm not sure why it is surprising that Dan lost to a tough and dedicated opponent. Fighting's a dangerous and unpredictable business. There are very few people that I spar with regularly that I never beat or always beat.
3. I'm making an assumption here (Or rather a conclusion drawn from a set of assumptions that I'm too lazy to state), but a lot of the adventurer themes in the comic seem to be inspired by old JRPGs, where the heroes tend to be a bunch of teenagers who go out and do war with evil with whatever they have on hand, winning more on pluck and courage than forsight and preparedness. I don't think it's drawn from the sort of D&D and Dragonquest that I used to play, where we would involve in frantic preperation for each outing.
4. I'm bad at juging angles like this from pictures. Can DP be holding the stump of a wrist to hold back blood?
5. It seems to me at least that Regina's expression is more surprise than fear. I think what's going through her head is "Dan is Princess Pudge's boyfriend?"
Quote from: Corgatha Taldorthar on March 22, 2009, 11:19:51 AM
2. I'm not sure why it is surprising that Dan lost to a tough and dedicated opponent.
Surprising? Not especially, all told. Disappointing? Yes. I don't know about you, but seeing the lead character get kicked around continuously even though he's supposed to be pretty good at what he does isn't something I find particularly... uplifting.
Quote4. I'm bad at juging angles like this from pictures. Can DP be holding the stump of a wrist to hold back blood?
That was my interpretation.
Quote from: jeffh4 on March 22, 2009, 09:17:14 AM
I had the same thought. Fi is supposed to pull Dan out of trouble. Instead he was snacking!
Actually, it gets worse. Abel was making cakes while his charge gets himself practically killed. Fa'Lina is really not going to be impressed with him.
Naa, DP did not lose his arm or hand, he is holding his lower arm, and that continues after where he is holding it, so im guessing just a nasty gash.
I like how Dan is more concerned with Lorenda's safety than his own.
It is a real evidence to his character and it appears as if he is using his cubi abilities to talk to Lorenda and 'warn' her that she is in danger.
In my opinion Dan is a true hero and friend. Though all hero's are dead he did die, twice but fortunately was revived... well did die once but was saved by Wiley's 'shaman' power.
Bad at dealing with quote pyramids and editing, but regarding Fi's job to keep Dan out of too much trouble, one wonders. If Abel has even dealt casually with Fi, he has to realize that the Warp Aci is somewhat less than reliable. Presumably, Abel didin't think that anything Dan could do would get him into enough trouble to warrant permanant bodyguard status.
I is amused with DP's reaction. >:3
Now I'm curious on what Regina's reaction to the whole "Dan is Lorenda's "Boyfriend"" ordeal.
Quote from: Madmann135 on March 22, 2009, 11:40:13 AM
It appears as if he is using his cubi abilities to talk to Lorenda and 'warn' her that she is in danger.
No, I think it's just indicating that he can't breathe properly.
Now that the subject has been brought up. Is it possible?
Cubi can hear thoughts, but can they also send back thoughts aka telepathy (spelling?) ?
Quote from: Tapewolf
2. Dan failed to prevent the resurrection of DP. Is he going to tell Biggstania? Indeed, did Dee brief the real Biggs on the fact that Dan was sent to attack DP, in case Dan reports to him instead? Specifically I'm wondering what Dee would make of "He was resurrected by a rogue faction of the Soulstealer family, he practically killed me and I only survived because his sister thinks I'm engaged to his niece." Will she go to finish him off?
Dee can't go anywhere, She hiding in Twinks because of the
dragons; if words get out that she kill DP her husband is very screw.
QuoteWhat is bugging me though, apart from the infuriating fact that Dan has lost yet again, is why Dan set off to tackle DP's minions without going back for his sword in the first place.
If you just saw the little slut that killed your friends and got hit by a tray by that same little slut, and then saw DP again, would you be able to think well enough to summon a sword and fight with level head or lash out in
Full Rage?
Quote from: Tsunari on March 22, 2009, 10:41:22 AM
Well it doesn't seem like Aliph has come back less himself.
Well it probably something only a sister would notice :mowtongue:
Quote from: Tapewolf on March 22, 2009, 11:36:48 AM
Quote from: Corgatha Taldorthar on March 22, 2009, 11:19:51 AM
2. I'm not sure why it is surprising that Dan lost to a tough and dedicated opponent.
Surprising? Not especially, all told. Disappointing? Yes. I don't know about you, but seeing the lead character get kicked around continuously even though he's supposed to be pretty good at what he does isn't something I find particularly... uplifting.
It is law by East and West comics that the lead action hero always get kicked around no matter how good is. I have yet to see one hero have a winning streak. Besides Dan had some handicaps, he was too angry think and he has not master he cubi powers yet.
Quote from: demecowen on March 22, 2009, 11:49:11 AM
Dee can't go anywhere, She hiding in Twinks because of the dragons (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_725.php); if words get out that she kill DP her husband is very screw.
Dee is a shapeshifter. She doesn't have to appear as herself if she goes to kill someone. Also, she's liable to be able to teleport - just because she appears somewhere and kills someone doesn't mean you have any idea where she went afterwards, let alone where she came from. It'd be like a UFO sighting.
QuoteIf you just saw the little slut that killed your friends and got hit by a tray by that same little slut, and then saw DP again, would you be able to think well enough to summon a sword and fight with level head or lash out in Full Rage?
That happened afterwards. I'm wondering about before he even set foot in the house.
Quote from: demecowen on March 22, 2009, 11:49:11 AM
It is law by East and West comics that the lead action hero always get kicked around no matter how good is. I have yet to see one hero have a winning streak. Besides Dan had some handicaps, he was too angry think and he has not master he cubi powers yet.
There is an unfortunate reason for that....
If a character, especially the lead character, goes on an all out winning streak that lasts for a good while, fandom in general tend to call that char a "Mary Sue/Gary Stu" on the sheer basis that they are NOT supposed to win that much (It's a stupid thing, but it happens). As such, most authors are conditioned to keep their main chars "down" as to make them look more human, despite the fact that we LIKE to win a lot.....it's an odd fandom wave thing....
For a good example, look at the Inheritance Cycle. The main character seems to win nearly every fight or challenge that he comes across, and as such is (rightfully) called one big Gary Stu because of it....
(I know this does not seem to justify Dan's constant, or near constant, loss, but hey, it's why there are no tryue perpetual winners in writing or webcomics. (as far as I know. Even Sherlock lost big from time to time))
Another thing to consider, is that it's not always such a black and white thing as winning and losing. There's been a constant theme in this comic of things not being quite what they seem. I've yet to see a character that I can truly call a stereotype or a single arc that I can consider predictable.
So rather than just look at it in terms of black and white, why don't you try to color your view of it a bit?
Quote from: Tapewolf on March 22, 2009, 09:44:32 AM
Quote from: jeffh4 on March 22, 2009, 09:17:14 AM
If he has broken ribs and cuts, yes. If he has a partially collapsed ribcage, no.
Is that 'no' as in "it'll take more than a few days", or 'no' as in "he's going to be running around like a puppy having had a life-threatening injury mere hours before"?
'No' as in a collapsed ribcage requires professionaly medical attention, not just the cold compresses and hot chicken soup available at the Inn.
Quote from: Tapewolf on March 22, 2009, 09:44:32 AM
QuoteAs far as missing his sword, have we ever seen Dan actually magically conjure up a sword?
No, we only have the word that he can do this in his profile.
Is this the wiki profile? Because that isn't in his Cast page.
Quote from: jeffh4 on March 22, 2009, 12:56:36 PM
'No' as in a collapsed ribcage requires professionaly medical attention, not just the cold compresses and hot chicken soup available at the Inn.
Well, the Inn has three highly capable spellcasters. Abel alone has spent 375 years essentially learning survivalism. Blood phobia or no, not learning healing spells in favour of lawn care would just be silly. Either way, I was thinking more about when he returns to the Inn
after his condition was no longer critical.
Quote from: Tapewolf on March 22, 2009, 09:44:32 AM
Is this the wiki profile? Because that isn't in his Cast page.
Actually it's in Alexsi's profile. "Alexsi's ability to draw her mallet from out of nowhere is similar to Dan's swords."
Quote from: Tapewolf on March 22, 2009, 11:53:31 AM
Quote from: demecowen on March 22, 2009, 11:49:11 AM
Dee can't go anywhere, She hiding in Twinks because of the dragons (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_725.php); if words get out that she kill DP her husband is very screw.
Dee is a shapeshifter. She doesn't have to appear as herself if she goes to kill someone. Also, she's liable to be able to teleport - just because she appears somewhere and kills someone doesn't mean you have any idea where she went afterwards, let alone where she came from. It'd be like a UFO sighting.
1. If that the case why she need to hide in the first place? She can just disguise herself and visit her family and friends whenever.
My theory is that the dragons can sense her even if she change forms. If she can teleport, the dragons could have method of tracking said warp path to it origins.
Maybe the Twinks area has a way cloaking her from the dragons even if she leave by teleport they'll know.
2. Even if she can not be detected, there is no way it going to be easy, Dee will not just :mowninja DP in just a few seconds and then leave.
It will be ugly, bloody, and long the fight will attract others and they might see a weaken cubi ripe for the taking.
Quote from: Tapewolf on March 22, 2009, 11:53:31 AM
Quote from: demecowen on March 22, 2009, 11:49:11 AM
If you just saw the little slut that killed your friends and got hit by a tray by that same little slut, and then saw DP again, would you be able to think well enough to summon a sword and fight with level head or lash out in Full Rage?
That happened afterwards. I'm wondering about before he even set foot in the house.
The last time Dan fought DP Dan enter DP castle without his sword in hand even seeing the dragon and only pull it out after he was sure that was going to fight DP. If questing taught me anything you can't always carry a sword in hand 24/7. My guess he always had a sword in his clothing somewhere, but dealing with Kira and then seeing Regina made him forget that.
I love the expressions of all the characters , even the small shot of Regina with the deer in headlights look , I hope you did not strain your hand too much creating this for us Amber , but thank you. :mowsmile
So... Ummmm... Anyone notice that now Dan has a wierd speech bubble? Everybody jumped on DPs, but no one seems to catch the sparkly bits coming off Dan's.
Quote from: Tapewolf on March 22, 2009, 11:36:48 AM
Surprising? Not especially, all told. Disappointing? Yes. I don't know about you, but seeing the lead character get kicked around continuously even though he's supposed to be pretty good at what he does isn't something I find particularly... uplifting.
I think it's worth noting we saw Dan kicked around back when he was a newb adventurer in his flashback. He has defeated Dark Pegasus a number of times, but the last time Dan attempted it during the kingdom of H-Ann events, he nearly got himself killed and was barely brought back from the brink.
Kria has mentioned each revival of Dark Pegasus has made Dark Pegasus a little more and more unlike himself, and it unsettled her enough to accept money to keep from bringing her beloved brother back. I see this less as Dan not being up to snuff and more evidence pointing toward how dangerous a figure Dark Pegasus is and increasingly
becomes. It seems as though Dan is one of the few who has ever been able to stand up to him, and even with that, it's been a struggle.
Quote from: demecowen on March 22, 2009, 01:35:14 PM
1. If that the case why she need to hide in the first place? She can just disguise herself and visit her family and friends whenever.
I'm not really sure. She didn't hide from Alexsi, though. Only Dan. And even he saw her in plain sight around strip 70 (if that's still canon). I'm wondering whether she's staying where she is because it's central to her plan. Either that or the dragons are simply too powerful for her (which is not unlikely).
Quote2. Even if she can not be detected, there is no way it going to be easy, Dee will not just :mowninja DP in just a few seconds and then leave.
She's had 7000 years to practice - that's almost 10 times DP's lifetime. The average 'Cubi lifespan seems to be 3000, so I'd say she knows what she's doing.
Quote from: bradley535 on March 22, 2009, 01:44:14 PM
So... Ummmm... Anyone notice that now Dan has a wierd speech bubble? Everybody jumped on DPs, but no one seems to catch the sparkly bits coming off Dan's.
Several people. I think it's because he can't breathe properly.
Quote from: Corgatha Taldorthar on March 22, 2009, 11:19:51 AM
1. Amber, as impatient as we insatiable forumites are, please don't risk aggravating a hand injury. Haven't you ever read "My brother sam is dead?" ( and yes, I know, the two injuries are hardly equivalent, but let me indulge in a dram of hyperbole, please?
just as an interesting tidbit- comicking becomes a habit for the artist as much as it is a habit for the reader to read. you'll remember just about any time amber misses an update she's all like BARLJALFKFFFFF about it and tries to get back on track ASAP? this is the sign of an artist ...who has become addicted to comicking.
a truely addicted artist will do things like try to draw when sick, or injured. because it's not just a matter of getting the comic up on time for fans (though that's an aspect) it's also a matter of
the comic must go on no matter what. the comic didn't go up? you wind up losing sleep, feeling your entire schedual get flipflopped around.
it's like if you got out of bed in the morning, but for some reason, didn't brush your teeth. it'd be driving you NUTS all day.
this comes from not just personal experience, but also talking to a slew of other comic makers. :B
Kria, how do you stay so awesome all the damned time?
I personally think that DP is going to go down for good this time. IIRC Pip doesn't take kindly to other people using his punching bag. (Dan)
Quoteit's like if you got out of bed in the morning, but for some reason, didn't brush your teeth. it'd be driving you NUTS all day
That's why I brush at night.
Quote from: icarus on March 22, 2009, 02:24:00 PM
because it's not just a matter of getting the comic up on time for fans (though that's an aspect) it's also a matter of the comic must go on no matter what. the comic didn't go up? you wind up losing sleep, feeling your entire schedual get flipflopped around.
this comes from not just personal experience, but also talking to a slew of other comic makers. :B
Check, check and check. So
that's why I feel so irritable today!
Quote from: Tapewolf on March 22, 2009, 09:44:32 AM
Quote from: Turnsky on March 22, 2009, 09:40:49 AM
you folks just KNOW Wildy's gonna milk this for all it's worth if/when she finds out. >:3
Oh dear, I hadn't thought of that.
...Huh?
Quote from: MT Hazard on March 22, 2009, 08:23:07 AM
It's not a class change it's a race change, in D&D stuff more powerful races (e.g half-angel) have a 'level adjustment' which means they have to earn that much more experience to go up a level in their chosen class. So the half angel mentioned above (+4 level adjustment ) would need far more experience than a human of the same class.
So Dan has gone from being adventurer to cubi adventurer (no idea what the level adjustment on that is)
Amber has used race and class interchangeably both in the comic and on the forums, which is reasonable considering that most Creatures rely primarily on their natural and magical abilities. Likewise, non-civilian Beings are basically all Adventurers or some variation thereof. Those with strong magical abilities are either imports from non-DMFA settings or have Creature ancestors.
For those still geeking out trying to conflate DMFA and D&D... if we were to use 4e rather than 3e style mechanics (where powers ~= class), it may make more sense to abstract each race as a class of its own (with a more flexible multiclass mechanic to account for half-breeds and cross training).
Quote from: Draken on March 22, 2009, 12:05:30 PM
There is an unfortunate reason for that....
If a character, especially the lead character, goes on an all out winning streak that lasts for a good while, fandom in general tend to call that char a "Mary Sue/Gary Stu" on the sheer basis that they are NOT supposed to win that much (It's a stupid thing, but it happens). As such, most authors are conditioned to keep their main chars "down" as to make them look more human, despite the fact that we LIKE to win a lot.....it's an odd fandom wave thing....
It's not just a Gary Stu thing. When the heroes always win, there's no dramatic tension, which makes for rather uninteresting stories. Protagonists must be challenged to make a conflict interesting, and that frequently means "losing" a few battles before they win the war. It's a formula in fiction that predates the vocal "fandom" by centuries.
Also... some of us
like rooting for the villains. >:]
Quote from: Dem on March 22, 2009, 11:47:56 AM
Now that the subject has been brought up. Is it possible?
Cubi can hear thoughts, but can they also send back thoughts aka telepathy (spelling?) ?
There's no canon evidence for such ability as of yet (unless that's actually what Dan is doing right now, which I doubt). Cubi do however have the ability to project their thoughts into other people's dreams, so other forms of telepathic transmission may be possible with training.
Quote from: Shachza on March 22, 2009, 02:24:34 PM
I personally think that DP is going to go down for good this time. IIRC Pip doesn't take kindly to other people using his punching bag. (Dan)
But... but... how can you kill him now? He's family! :animesweat
Quote from: Tezkat on March 22, 2009, 03:09:01 PM
It's not just a Gary Stu thing. When the heroes always win, there's no dramatic tension, which makes for rather uninteresting stories. Protagonists must be challenged to make a conflict interesting, and that frequently means "losing" a few battles before they win the war. It's a formula in fiction that predates the vocal "fandom" by centuries.
I don't think anyone here is seriously rooting for Dan to win every single encounter. What I'm saying is that there should be more of a mix...
A lot of Dan's adventuring "victories" have resulted from... shall we say... factors other than combat prowess (e.g. the ice-orcs, the first encounter with DP, that time he got the bangles...). The times we have seen him go all out in battle with a stronger Creature, he practically got himself killed, which could be expected given the power differential.
Traditionally, this is a prelude to a "must get stronger" training sequence. :3
Quote from: Tezkat on March 22, 2009, 03:23:04 PM
Traditionally, this is a prelude to a "must get stronger" training sequence. :3
No doubt. I can't speak for others, but what I liked about the 'Evil Dan' sequence was the prospect of him actually getting his act together. Sadly it looks like it was not meant to be...
Ugh. Fine. Next arc will be nothing but boring action shots of Dan doing nothing but punching the heads off of various random monsters in order to appease the bloodlust. Happy now?
Quote from: Amber Williams on March 22, 2009, 03:26:11 PM
Ugh. Fine. Next arc will be nothing but boring action shots of Dan doing nothing but punching the heads off of various random monsters in order to appease the bloodlust. Happy now?
That's not a balanced mix...
Quote from: Amber Williams on March 22, 2009, 03:26:11 PM
Ugh. Fine. Next arc will be nothing but boring action shots of Dan doing nothing but punching the heads off of various random monsters in order to appease the bloodlust. Happy now?
Nah, that's not what we want. W just want utter perfection in the form of the best mix of drama/comedy/action/horror genres. *RUNS befroe the pitchforks appear*
Seriously, I liked how this chapter went. No need to change up your plans cause we're acting like the blood-fueled people that we are.
Quote from: Draken on March 22, 2009, 03:33:20 PM
Seriously, I liked how this chapter went. No need to change up your plans cause we're acting like the lood-fueled people that we are.
Very much so.
Though I might point out also that for me, at least, I'm looking at it more as a matter of success/failure than blood spilled. It's more likely that I'm simply not registering the successes. For instance, he did succeed at impersonating Alexsi. He screwed up with Jyrras, but at the end of the day, the desired result was obtained. He set out to confront Jyrras over it and that worked completely.
Quote from: Tapewolf on March 22, 2009, 03:24:49 PM
No doubt. I can't speak for others, but what I liked about the 'Evil Dan' sequence was the prospect of him actually getting his act together. Sadly it looks like it was not meant to be...
No, no... that's not how this situation usually turns out. Now he's supposed to go all angsty after his first proper Creature rampage, which the rest of the cast will have to help him deal with. Or tease him mercilessly about, as the case may be.
:mowtongue
Quote from: Tapewolf on March 22, 2009, 03:43:20 PM
Very much so.
Though I might point out also that for me, at least, I'm looking at it more as a matter of success/failure than blood spilled. It's more likely that I'm simply not registering the successes. For instance, he did succeed at impersonating Alexsi. He screwed up with Jyrras, but at the end of the day, the desired result was obtained. He set out to confront Jyrras over it and that worked completely.
Hmm... I thought you were complaining about him getting beat up too much. Almost all of Dan's ventures have been "successful" to some degree or another. He defeated the ice-orcs. He saved Mab and HollyAnn. He foiled DP's plans to resurrect the Dark God. Several times. Jyrras is now fabulous. And so on and so forth. A lot of it has just been achieved through non-traditional means, is all.
:mowdan
Will all the random monsters Dan punches the heads off of look like Tapewolf? >:3
Quote from: terrycloth on March 22, 2009, 04:46:23 PM
Will all the random monsters Dan punches the heads off of look like Tapewolf? >:3
Well I do need to make cameo appearances in the comic soon.... :U
QuoteI don't think anyone here is seriously rooting for Dan to win every single encounter. What I'm saying is that there should be more of a mix...
Dan isn't supposed to be all that powerful. He was more or less a being for a very long time, and while he's beaten DP several times, he's had magic armor (that robe) and probably other factors to help him do so.
I don't see why anyone is complaining anyway. This is only the third real fight Dan has been in in the comic. He lost in the flashback, beat DP early on, then lost this time.
How is that not "a mix"? A 1:2 ratio isn't unreasonable, and given that one of them was a flashback...
*rolls eyes*
Its not like Erfworld or something.
I like the comic a lot. :)
Quote from: Amber Williams on March 22, 2009, 03:26:11 PM
Ugh. Fine. Next arc will be nothing but boring action shots of Dan doing nothing but punching the heads off of various random monsters in order to appease the bloodlust. Happy now?
It's certainly a nifty idea for a future desktop! :batman
Quote from: Amber Williams on March 22, 2009, 03:26:11 PM
Ugh. Fine. Next arc will be nothing but boring action shots of Dan doing nothing but punching the heads off of various random monsters in order to appease the bloodlust. Happy now?
Amber must be feeling better if she is participating in the forums. However, this statement brings a strange vision of everybody going to the Lost Lake Inn and having the following conversation.
Dan: I feel so angry I want to just go out and smash things.
Alexsi: Well, if you really want to kill somebody, I heard that there's a group of about a hundred creatures terrorizing a town about a day's march to the south.
Kria: Lorenda, why don't you go with him. Sounds like it would be a marvelous date.
Quote from: Tezkat on March 22, 2009, 03:53:01 PM
Quote from: Tapewolf on March 22, 2009, 03:43:20 PM
Though I might point out also that for me, at least, I'm looking at it more as a matter of success/failure than blood spilled. It's more likely that I'm simply not registering the successes. For instance, he did succeed at impersonating Alexsi. He screwed up with Jyrras, but at the end of the day, the desired result was obtained. He set out to confront Jyrras over it and that worked completely.
Hmm... I thought you were complaining about him getting beat up too much. Almost all of Dan's ventures have been "successful" to some degree or another. He defeated the ice-orcs. He saved Mab and HollyAnn. He foiled DP's plans to resurrect the Dark God. Several times. Jyrras is now fabulous. And so on and so forth. A lot of it has just been achieved through non-traditional means, is all.
:mowdan
Dan succeeded in retrieving Alexsi's mallet and in really turning Biggs on (even though Dan might put that last in his fail column). He made a very good impression at SAIA by not being a knuckle dragging adventurer type, even if he wasn't so successful in being a Cubi yet. (Though he did make the promise to his Mom not to fight Cubis, Dan was really just being himself during the experience at SAIA. Even Fa'lina seemed to like him -- giving someone a plate of peanutbutter cookies is a very good sign in my book.) Dan frets about being a racist, but he's really got a most accepting nature when it comes to creatures and beings of all sorts, and apparently has friends among a number of creatures as well -- though he does seem to owe some of them money. Without his good nature and open friendliness, a lot of his successes would have been failures -- if that red dragon had been an enemy, Dan would never have gotten the chance to finish off DP last time. Even now, his friendship with Lorenda, and his friendly (if at arms length) treatment of Kria is paying off in hauling his bacon out of the fire. Fundamentally, Dan gets by with a little help from his friends.
edit: not enough verbiage, must add more, more I say!
:rolleyes I roll my eyes at this whole convoluted mess. Instead of adding to it, I'll make my theory as to why he didn't pull a sword out of thin air like his sister's bio says he can. While both he and Alexsi can access "Hammer Space", literally in Alexsi' case, Dan needs something to pull them out of, such as a robe or a dress. This isn't a limit on the ability, so much as it is a limit on Dan himself, becouse he DOESN'T KNOW THAT HE'S DOING IT. He puts a blade up his robe, it goes into hammer space. He reachs into his robe, he pulls it back out again. In short, like so much of what he does, he does it on reflex rather than being aware of what he's doing.
...also, my new shirt says "What part of MOOOOOAHAAHAHAHA don't you understand?". As such... :mwaha
Quote from: Titanium Dragon on March 22, 2009, 04:49:54 PM
I don't see why anyone is complaining anyway. This is only the third real fight Dan has been in in the comic. He lost in the flashback, beat DP early on, then lost this time.
If we must use violence as a metric, there were more fights than that. Biggs for one, though there was a damn good reason for that.
QuoteI like the comic a lot. :)
You think I don't? >:3
Honestly, I think complaining is a bit harsh. All I said was that it's a bit of a shame Dan lost again... :rolleyes
Quote from: Amber Williams on March 22, 2009, 04:48:25 PM
Well I do need to make cameo appearances in the comic soon.... :U
Two can play at that game >:3
Quote from: Amber Williams on March 22, 2009, 04:48:25 PM
Quote from: terrycloth on March 22, 2009, 04:46:23 PM
Will all the random monsters Dan punches the heads off of look like Tapewolf? >:3
Well I do need to make cameo appearances in the comic soon.... :U
NOOOOO!!! I like the Amber character , I have a hard enough time dealing with her sad faces :cry
Quote from: Tezkat on March 22, 2009, 03:23:04 PM
Traditionally, this is a prelude to a "must get stronger" training sequence. :3
Yays! Montage!
Anyway, it is a fair point to say that Dan's successes have often been down to luck, but it's also fair to say that there are other factors...... like lots of training for random circumstances
I don't know if anyone commented on this yet, but Dan is so bad off, he can barely hold his head up. Possibly even can't do so without Lorenda's support. DP is raring to go at it again. I'd have to score this one as a win for DP. I don't think Dan's adrenaline would have held out for much longer.
I sure hope he doesn't smell like hamburger. :)
Quote from: Tapewolf on March 22, 2009, 01:52:22 PM
Quote from: bradley535 on March 22, 2009, 01:44:14 PM
So... Ummmm... Anyone notice that now Dan has a wierd speech bubble? Everybody jumped on DPs, but no one seems to catch the sparkly bits coming off Dan's.
Several people. I think it's because he can't breathe properly.
I think tapewolf is right.
Bubbly speech balloon + bleeding from mouth + chest wound = at least one punctured lung.
Yeah, Dan needs to relearn "keep a cool head". He definitely got the worst of this fight, even if DP looks worse than he ever has after fighting Dan.
At least we know that a demon's hide
isn't hard enough to resist Cubi tendrils.
Quote from: Titanium Dragon on March 22, 2009, 04:49:54 PMDan isn't supposed to be all that powerful. He was more or less a being for a very long time, and while he's beaten DP several times, he's had magic armor (that robe) and probably other factors to help him do so.
Correction, he didn't have the robe on when he beat him in a sword fight and suffered a fatal injury himself. So technically that was a double knock-out.
This time, his screwing up by going at DP without weapon was compensated by his instinctive use of the wings to severely injure DP's arm. Had this continued, I think it would have been a double knock-out as well, due to the instinct-part. So his growth he compensated by screwing up, causing the same result as last time he fought DP without magic and protective clothes. (Since DP wasn't going to be smart enough to retreat and let Dan weaken while he himself recovers... If he'd done that, he'd have a 60% chance to kill Dan without getting killed himself.)
Of course the whole brute-force-killing-each-other thing was interrupted by the sister and the girlfriend. Damn meddlers!
Quote from: Amber Williams on March 22, 2009, 03:26:11 PMUgh. Fine. Next arc will be nothing but boring action shots of Dan doing nothing but punching the heads off of various random monsters in order to appease the bloodlust. Happy now?
I would love to see him take on a bunch of Death Knights with nothing but a spork, but that's just me.
Also, Kria's eyes look sexy.
*AHEM* Ignore that...
So, what will happn next, eh? What will Dan do?
Dan came the worse of the two for wear, but all things considered, he did good. We're talking about a 25 year old Cubi who's just in the very beginning of his training, fighting against a fully trained Demon 700 years his elder. The critical strike by DP I think decided the outcome of the fight, but DP is certainly not coming out smelling like a rose by any means.
Give Dan a lot more training with his new abilities and tactics (such as fighting from a distance, rather then letting your squishy parts get within striking range), and the fight could have gone quite a bit differently.
Quote from: Shadowcatcher on March 22, 2009, 09:19:27 PMGive Dan a lot more training with his new abilities and tactics (such as fighting from a distance, rather then letting your squishy parts get within striking range), and the fight could have gone quite a bit differently.
Real men fight melee :3
DP's ear posture and general facial expression are very reminiscent of Kria's expressions when she was whining... something like "Awww... why not? I'm good at hurting!" More proof they're related, if we needed any.
I will be thoroughly amused if Dan goes berserker or something. Doesn't really look like he's up for it, considering the probably lung injury, though. Those speech bubbles are interesting..
Quote from: Tapewolf on March 22, 2009, 05:21:25 PM
Quote from: Amber Williams on March 22, 2009, 04:48:25 PM
Well I do need to make cameo appearances in the comic soon.... :U
Two can play at that game >:3
Make that three. :mwaha
Quote from: Shadowcatcher on March 22, 2009, 09:19:27 PM
Dan came the worse of the two for wear, but all things considered, he did good. We're talking about a 25 year old Cubi who's just in the very beginning of his training, fighting against a fully trained Demon 700 years his elder. The critical strike by DP I think decided the outcome of the fight, but DP is certainly not coming out smelling like a rose by any means
Yeah, one arm broken and cut to the bone; one wing cut to the bone; numerous cuts and gashes in the wings; one chest cut;
Like I said earlier, put in a blender and pulsed once.
Judging by the previous arc when Dan vanquished DP, before its been one lethal sword cut. This time it was, well, a cat fight.
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Give Dan a lot more training with his new abilities and tactics (such as fighting from a distance, rather then letting your squishy parts get within striking range), and the fight could have gone quite a bit differently.
And as pointed out earlier, this gives Dan motivation to take combat related classes at SAIA.
Though at the moment, I recommend a quick trip to SAIA's infirmary and the healing skills of Raine Joybringer (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_595.php).
Quote from: Turnsky on March 22, 2009, 11:44:38 PM
Quote from: Tapewolf on March 22, 2009, 05:21:25 PM
Quote from: Amber Williams on March 22, 2009, 04:48:25 PM
Well I do need to make cameo appearances in the comic soon.... :U
Two can play at that game >:3
Make that three. :mwaha
Make that four! :mwaha... oh, wait. Never mind. :<
Any bets that Amber will make caricatures of the people who've annoyed her most for Dan's targets during the training montage? Also, the montage music from
Kung Fu Panda would be just perfect. Screw that song from Rocky. Eye of the Kitten or whatever it's called.
Quote from: Turnsky on March 22, 2009, 11:44:38 PM
Make that three. :mwaha
If it cures your artists block, it may be a necessary sacrifice...
Quote from: Tapewolf on March 23, 2009, 06:30:01 AM
Quote from: Turnsky on March 22, 2009, 11:44:38 PM
Make that three. :mwaha
If it cures your artists block, it may be a necessary sacrifice...
more meat for the meat tree, after all.. besides, i've already cameo'd two of DMFA's alum without their pants. >:3
Quote from: Jairus on March 23, 2009, 12:06:21 AM
Quote from: Turnsky on March 22, 2009, 11:44:38 PM
Quote from: Tapewolf on March 22, 2009, 05:21:25 PM
Quote from: Amber Williams on March 22, 2009, 04:48:25 PM
Well I do need to make cameo appearances in the comic soon.... :U
Two can play at that game >:3
Make that three. :mwaha
Make that four! :mwaha... oh, wait. Never mind. :<
Any bets that Amber will make caricatures of the people who've annoyed her most for Dan's targets during the training montage? Also, the montage music from Kung Fu Panda would be just perfect. Screw that song from Rocky. Eye of the Kitten or whatever it's called.
Nah, I say the montage music from that one episode of South Park where they go to that ski resort in Colorado is perfect. Granted, I would say that about any montage lacking music, but still...
Quote from: jimsan on March 22, 2009, 03:22:31 AM
So I'm confused, Kria and DP both seem to claim this as their home. (I know, minor detail!) But DP seems for the moment to hesitate...
Also, I like Kria's wing markings, very nice!
Edit: Seriously, if this is the last comic for a week because of the injury I won't complain! Don't kill yourself!
I do not think that 'Your...' has anything to do with home-claiming. It's more short for 'Your daughters boy-what!?' but took a moment to sink in.
Quote from: Buhamet on March 22, 2009, 05:28:31 PM
Quote from: Tezkat on March 22, 2009, 03:23:04 PM
Traditionally, this is a prelude to a "must get stronger" training sequence. :3
Yays! Montage!
*Sings* You're the best! Around! And no-ones ever gonna keep ya down!
I'm thinking mass violence to Stan Bush's "The Touch" would be amusing... :D
Crud. I hate this comic. No offense to Amber, but I agree with Tapewolf 100%. Evil Dan was a nice touch. I thought awesome cubi Dan could defeat DP without help. It honestly looked like he was going to, to me at least. I was hoping Dan could beat Dark Pegasus before Kria got there. I know that Dark Pegasus was less hurt, but it seemed like Dan was starting to do just as well.
By the way:
What would you think if he sang out of tune,
Would you stand up and walk out on him?
Lend him your ears and he'll sing you a song
And he'll try not to sing out of key.
Oh, Dan get's by with a little help from his friends
Mm, Dan get's high with a little help from his friends
Mm, gonna try with a little help from his friends
I'm going to say this much: From the little bits we do know about Cubi and Demons your average cubi (power level wise) is no match for a demon. HOWEVER the most powerful cubi far outstrips the power of the most powerful demon. Think on that a bit.
... Uh... Ummm... Demons are like warriors and Cubi are like wizards? (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/LinearWarriorsQuadraticWizards)
Quote from: Mao Laoren on March 23, 2009, 02:42:59 PM
I'm going to say this much: From the little bits we do know about Cubi and Demons your average cubi (power level wise) is no match for a demon. HOWEVER the most powerful cubi far outstrips the power of the most powerful demon. Think on that a bit.
However Dan was (supposed) to be a competant adventurer who has
already beaten DP several times before. I guess the lack of a sword does have something to do with this, Dan wouldn't have gotten into a grapple if he had one. However, this does rasie the question of why he didn't have a sword with him in the first place, before he even went over there, as Cog pointed out. Either way...it's beginning to feel like Dan's adventuring competance may be an informed ability (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/InformedAbility).
Quote from: Pagan on March 23, 2009, 02:48:55 PM
... Uh... Ummm... Demons are like warriors and Cubi are like wizards? (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/LinearWarriorsQuadraticWizards)
Sounds about right.
Quote from: techmaster-glitch on March 23, 2009, 02:53:32 PM
Quote from: Mao Laoren on March 23, 2009, 02:42:59 PM
I'm going to say this much: From the little bits we do know about Cubi and Demons your average cubi (power level wise) is no match for a demon. HOWEVER the most powerful cubi far outstrips the power of the most powerful demon. Think on that a bit.
However Dan was (supposed) to be a competant adventurer who has already beaten DP several times before. I guess the lack of a sword does have something to do with this, Dan wouldn't have gotten into a grapple if he had one. However, this does rasie the question of why he didn't have a sword with him in the first place, before he even went over there, as Cog pointed out. Either way...it's beginning to feel like Dan's adventuring competance may be an informed ability (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/InformedAbility).
Or we are not getting the whole picture. Or we are seeing the difference in story-telling skills between Amber however many years ago that was and today. Or Dark Pegasus has been holding back against Dan in the past (it sure didn't take much for him to beat Dan the first time they met). Or a half-dozen other possible explanations besides an informed ability. Though the fact that his own friends thought he was just making it up might mean something...
Though, as others point out, the last time Dan and DP met it didn't go so well for Dan either. He DIED last time, or came very close to it.
I should have said something about the sword thing awhile but he might not have had a sword because he didn't have his robe to hide one in.
Ah, so Kria is to blame!
But seriously, I blame his fit over Regina. It's what caused him to act all emotional berserkerish, unlike the previous time.
I think it makes sense that Dan lost. Is it disappointing? I don't believe so. I've been thoroughly enjoying this arc and I thought there would be something keeping this from being a straightforward smackdown. I feel that things would have been a lot more complicated and anticlimactic if Dan had won the fight - he would have killed a relative of Lorenda's and Kria's right in front of them, assuming they wouldn't interfere. While Dan was using his wing tentacles impressively when chasing Regina, he's still inexperienced, and he's up against Dark Pegasus while consumed with anger and improperly defending himself.
Not to mention, Dark Pegasus nearly killed Dan during their last confrontation.
If anything, I'm rather glad that Dan nearly sawed Dark Pegasus's arm off and sliced up his wings really well. >:3
I've learned to trust Amber's storytelling skills. There were some aspects of Abel's Story I was very unsatisfied with, but then she completely destroyed any uncertainties I had. I think if people are disappointed, there will be something to alleviate that or compensate, even if it comes much later.
TL;DR version: Wait until the arc's over before you guys whine.
Quote from: techmaster-glitch on March 23, 2009, 02:53:32 PM
However Dan was (supposed) to be a competent adventurer who has already beaten DP several times before. I guess the lack of a sword does have something to do with this, Dan wouldn't have gotten into a grapple if he had one. However, this does rasie the question of why he didn't have a sword with him in the first place, before he even went over there, as Cog pointed out. Either way...it's beginning to feel like Dan's adventuring competance may be an informed ability (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/InformedAbility).
Indeed he has and I can't begin to explain how he managed it last time, though the fact that Dan had a sword and DP was unarmed might have been a contributing factor. The counter to this is that DP *does* have quite a good level of magical aptitude. The only thing I can think of to negate that is that we don't know how much of his magic/focus/whatever was tied up in the ritual to resurrect the dark god. I don't imagine that whatever it takes that it's cheap. This is pure speculation though.
As to why Dan didn't have a sword.. I don't know. I suppose he wasn't expecting DP to be raised yet and figured he could do it without as such. Or maybe he, as is possible with Aliph in the past, merely made a mistake. I'll be the first to say that in combat things like strength, weapons, knowledge and natural abilities do make a big difference.. but all of them can be undone with luck. The draw of the cards.
Quote from: Jairus on March 23, 2009, 02:57:14 PM
Or we are not getting the whole picture. Or we are seeing the difference in story-telling skills between Amber however many years ago that was and today. Or Dark Pegasus has been holding back against Dan in the past (it sure didn't take much for him to beat Dan the first time they met). Or a half-dozen other possible explanations besides an informed ability. Though the fact that his own friends thought he was just making it up might mean something...
Though, as others point out, the last time Dan and DP met it didn't go so well for Dan either. He DIED last time, or came very close to it.
I'm more inclined to the idea of not having the whole picture, which is why I'm in truth a little loathe to even post in the first place.
Just to be absolutely clear about my comment, Amber tends to plot the arcs out ahead of schedule from what I've heard in the past. So if Dan loses, that's because it was meant to be, as it were. Like Keaton, I trust her design decisions and while I feel slightly crestfallen and sorry for Dan that he didn't come out on top, that's just the way the cookie crumbles. Maybe he'll do better next time.
I just wonder why you are crestfallen? Why be saddened? Dan will come out fine, someway.
And heroes tend to get uppity what with their morals and abilities, some times a hero needs to be shown what's what and keep the rest in line.
Quote from: Pagan on March 23, 2009, 03:49:43 PM
I just wonder why you are crestfallen? Why be saddened?
Because Amber's managed to portray Dan as a sufficiently real person that I can empathise with him, I guess.
Another way to look at it, is that it will be all the sweeter and more worthwhile when he does finally win. Each loss leads up to a more triumphant victory.
I mean really, for the hero, what good is it if he doesn't have everything apparently stacked up against him? You wouldn't want Dan to be a Gary Stu now would you?
Quote from: Mao Laoren on March 23, 2009, 04:07:30 PM
You wouldn't want Dan to be a Gary Stu now would you?
It doesn't have to be binary.
I just feel like mentioning Dan x Lorenda is my crack pipe dream OTP. :U
IT MAY NEVER BE SO but I'm still going to appreciate how Dan is worried that Aliph will kill Lorenda and wants her out of danger. I think the scariest thing Dan's got to worry about is not a hole in his chest, but facing the idea that DP is actually capable of being a family man (even if pieces of his soul have been destroyed through multiple resurrections).
Sadly, Dan'll probably have to learn it in reverse concerning his mother.
Odd. I actually suspect this may be one of those jokes that turns out to be not quite so much of a joke.
Lorenda's ideal boyfriend, from back in the ye olde Perfect Date arc, isn't so far removed a description from Dan, if you think about it...
Quote from: Cogidubnus on March 23, 2009, 04:51:02 PM
Lorenda's ideal boyfriend, from back in the ye olde Perfect Date arc, isn't so far removed a description from Dan, if you think about it...
Do you mind elaborating on that? I'm not seeing it. She wanted someone beefy, which Dan isn't IMHO. Dan is independent, but confident? I don't think he's been that since his headwings appeared (which is one of the reasons Evil Dan was such a surprise). And Dan seems so far to have been more of a flirt than someone looking to settle down.
As for Dan being a Marty Stu or whatever, the more I think about it, the less likely that is. Even if he had succeeded in burning DP and neutralising Regina somehow, I'd be surprised if, like Janus (?) said, he didn't go through some kind of "OMG, I'm a monster" funk immediately afterwards.
I don't think Dan would be as effected by becoming a cubi as most people think......... after all, his mother is one, and so is Abel, and he gets on kinda ok with Abel.
Quote from: Buhamet on March 23, 2009, 05:47:04 PM
I don't think Dan would be as effected by becoming a cubi as most people think......... after all, his mother is one, and so is Abel, and he gets on kinda ok with Abel.
"Sooner or later Abel will try to teach me to act like a 'Cubi! The whole Academy setup... this 'tutor' thing... it has to be a scheme! Something to try to turn me into a soul-stealing monster..."
--Dan, page 651
Granted, what he did when confronted with Regina may have been enough to shake that out of his system, but I guess we'll see. See also page 392.
You're probably right when it comes down to what Dan think as terms of becoming a cubi, but that doesn't mean he could learn cubi abilities while not remaining resolute that he was only learning them to further his abilities as an adventurer
after all, imagine how scared a main baddie would become after finding out that one of the adventuring party was actually a heavily trained adventuring Incubus
Quote from: Tapewolf on March 23, 2009, 05:02:10 PM
Quote from: Cogidubnus on March 23, 2009, 04:51:02 PM
Lorenda's ideal boyfriend, from back in the ye olde Perfect Date arc, isn't so far removed a description from Dan, if you think about it...
Do you mind elaborating on that? I'm not seeing it. She wanted someone beefy, which Dan isn't IMHO. Dan is independent, but confident? I don't think he's been that since his headwings appeared (which is one of the reasons Evil Dan was such a surprise). And Dan seems so far to have been more of a flirt than someone looking to settle down.
Independent - Dan's retired, or so I seem to recall. I would argue that he does seem to be pretty confident with himself - certainly confident enough to have fun with said headwings and continue to mess about and be generally Dan, despite having his world rocked quite a bit with his discovery of his Cubi-ness. Confident doesn't mean he has to act like John Wayne at all times, methinks. As far as Dan wanting a relationship, I'm not sure, but he certainly doesn't feel he -needs- one.
Beefy can be interpreted many ways. Dan has muscles, though, sure. Kria certainly seems to hold some admiration for his physique.
Of course, this is pure speculation, and I don't know or care one way or the other. Just something that seemed as though it might be ironic if it -did- happen.
Quote from: Buhamet on March 23, 2009, 06:04:10 PM
You're probably right when it comes down to what Dan think as terms of becoming a cubi, but that doesn't mean he could learn cubi abilities while not remaining resolute that he was only learning them to further his abilities as an adventurer
after all, imagine how scared a main baddie would become after finding out that one of the adventuring party was actually a heavily trained adventuring Incubus
Yeah, but Dan doesn't really seem be interested in being a cubi, unless it's to abuse certain powers for ...shenanigans. (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_621.php)
Usually too much power would lead to corruption, thus Dan believes that if he was able to grasp that kind of power and harness it, he would become the monster he was feared to be.
but that's just a theory(or a fact if it's already known.) : L
Quote from: Buhamet on March 23, 2009, 06:04:10 PM
You're probably right when it comes down to what Dan think as terms of becoming a cubi, but that doesn't mean he could learn cubi abilities while not remaining resolute that he was only learning them to further his abilities as an adventurer
Oh, indeed. I hope that's how it works out for him. Abel doesn't seem to have gone power-mad or anything so I imagine it's possible.
Ummmm...Dan's not retired. Or if he was, he's not very retired now. He's going to be living forever now, so he's continuing to adventure. He can't really survive the next 10,000 years on what he could earn in some 5 years. Even if he doesn't eat, drink (which he doesn't), use electricity, he's still going to need clothes and a place to live. Unless I'm wrong and 'Cubi are impervious to disease, hypothermia, or freezing to death, in which case he can live forever off of that small amount of money. Or maybe if he marries Matilda or Lorenda or someone who can earn enough money for themselves and a little for Dan. Or... maybe I've just invalidated my own point... Erm... Nevermind.
Quote from: N-Cat on March 23, 2009, 06:46:34 PM
Ummmm...Dan's not retired. Or if he was, he's not very retired now. He's going to be living forever now, so he's continuing to adventure. He can't really survive the next 10,000 years on what he could earn in some 5 years. Even if he doesn't eat, drink (which he doesn't), use electricity, he's still going to need clothes and a place to live. Unless I'm wrong and 'Cubi are impervious to disease, hypothermia, or freezing to death, in which case he can live forever off of that small amount of money. Or maybe if he marries Matilda or Lorenda or someone who can earn enough money for themselves and a little for Dan. Or... maybe I've just invalidated my own point... Erm... Nevermind.
And did you ever consider a career change? He's only a retired adventurer, nobody ever said he's never going to do any other jobs.
Quote from: N-Cat on March 23, 2009, 06:46:34 PM
Ummmm...Dan's not retired. Or if he was, he's not very retired now. He's going to be living forever now, so he's continuing to adventure.
The nominal lifespan is 3'000 years, though there seem to be ways around it.
That reminds me... will Dan even be allowed to go adventuring and killing other creatures now that he has his clan mark? Every time he kills a creature after this, the slaying will be associated with Cyra Clan. Judging by past (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Abel_100.php) instances (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Ab_009.php), this is much more serious than when a being slays a creature. We might get to see other members of Cyra Clan if they have to come and give Dan a crash course in Creature politics.
Quote from: Tapewolf on March 23, 2009, 07:13:41 PM
Quote from: N-Cat on March 23, 2009, 06:46:34 PM
Ummmm...Dan's not retired. Or if he was, he's not very retired now. He's going to be living forever now, so he's continuing to adventure.
The nominal lifespan is 3'000 years, though there seem to be ways around it.
Of, course, the way for a Cubi to extend their lifespan byond the 3,000 year limit is exactly what give Cubi a bad rep (i.e. soul stealing)
Dan's retired from adventuring, but he's been drawn back in, um, three times that I can think of off the top of my head:
- The "Danial Ti'fona: warrior for hire" arc
- The time when Azlan recruited Dan and Merlitz (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_205.php), which ended up introducing Arryanna
- This trip to try and stop DP resurrection
Being retired from adventuring just means you don't do it full time any more. Dan's dad Edward got sucked back into adventuring on occasion too, we just don't know any of the particulars. I imagine they got payed for #1, not for #2, #3 is still wait and see how this plays out, though it's looking unlikely.
Quote from: Indy on March 23, 2009, 08:10:03 PM
That reminds me... will Dan even be allowed to go adventuring and killing other creatures now that he has his clan mark? Every time he kills a creature after this, the slaying will be associated with Cyra Clan. Judging by past (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Abel_100.php) instances (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Ab_009.php), this is much more serious than when a being slays a creature. We might get to see other members of Cyra Clan if they have to come and give Dan a crash course in Creature politics.
Good point, though Abel is going to have to explain to Dan the importance of keeping his clan mark concealed for other reasons (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_728.php).
Though demons seem to provoke fights with other creatures fairly often (http://www.missmab.com/Demo/demon.php)
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While most of the creature races get along well with eachother, arguments and battles over a rogue demon intruding on another creatures area and messing it up isn't uncommon.
Quote from: inuhanyo on March 23, 2009, 08:30:49 PM
Of, course, the way for a Cubi to extend their lifespan byond the 3,000 year limit is exactly what give Cubi a bad rep (i.e. soul stealing)
That's one way, and it's the quickest and easiest way. But AFAIK it's not the only way.
Apparently it's even possible to ascend to tri-wing status without taking souls, though only about two ascensions were achieved in this way (See 'Comic time and conservation of energy' IIRC)
Quote from: Jairus on March 23, 2009, 12:06:21 AM
Any bets that Amber will make caricatures of the people who've annoyed her most for Dan's targets during the training montage? Also, the montage music from Kung Fu Panda would be just perfect. Screw that song from Rocky. Eye of the Kitten or whatever it's called.
Actualy at the thought of a training montoge I get the music from chowders training montage stuck in my head...
It might be apropriate considering how goofy dan can be sometimes
Quote from: Cogidubnus on March 23, 2009, 04:51:02 PM
Odd. I actually suspect this may be one of those jokes that turns out to be not quite so much of a joke.
Lorenda's ideal boyfriend, from back in the ye olde Perfect Date arc, isn't so far removed a description from Dan, if you think about it...
It depends on what Lorenda may have meant by "beefy" as someone mentioned, but I still say they'd fit nicely:
So far, their lives are strikingly similar. Lorenda outwardly copes better with her demonic heritage and distancing herself from what is usually expected of a demon, which is something Dan might be relieved for himself to recognize if he'd just notice it. At the same time Lorenda might appreciate having someone understand the difficulty that is dealing with her demonic mother, despite loving her all the same (as I'm fairly certain Dan will have to confront the idea that his mother was once a horrible monster, but is probably not going to be able to hate her for it). For all we know, Lorenda could be a little emotionally torn herself and we merely have yet to see it. It'd be an interesting support system, if nothing else :3 It'd be fun to see them at least spend a little more time together.
Quote from: Achronycal on March 23, 2009, 09:28:46 PM
So far, their lives are strikingly similar. Lorenda outwardly copes better with her demonic heritage and distancing herself from what is usually expected of a demon, which is something Dan might be relieved for himself to recognize if he'd just notice it. At the same time Lorenda might appreciate having someone understand the difficulty that is dealing with her demonic mother, despite loving her all the same (as I'm fairly certain Dan will have to confront the idea that his mother was once a horrible monster, but is probably not going to be able to hate her for it). For all we know, Lorenda could be a little emotionally torn herself and we merely have yet to see it. It'd be an interesting support system, if nothing else :3 It'd be fun to see them at least spend a little more time together.
Character development!
Destinia seems to have undergone a genuine change of heart, though a fierce protectiveness towards her own (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_936.php) remains. Which trait Dan should understand, since he seems to have inherited (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/SympatheticPOV) it.
Quote from: inuhanyo on March 23, 2009, 08:30:49 PMGood point, though Abel is going to have to explain to Dan the importance of keeping his clan mark concealed for other reasons (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_728.php).
But so far as we know, only Pyro, Fa'Lina, Biggs and Destania know about that mess. Future story arc?
Quote from: inuhanyo on March 23, 2009, 08:30:49 PMThough demons seem to provoke fights with other creatures fairly often (http://www.missmab.com/Demo/demon.php)
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While most of the creature races get along well with eachother, arguments and battles over a rogue demon intruding on another creatures area and messing it up isn't uncommon.
It seems to be more serious when it's a Cubi or another Creature rather than a demon doing the terrorizing... For example, Kria just pays off the Creature Council whenever she kills anyone, but Aniz freaked out because he accidently killed a mythos, not to mention Devin's remark about Aliph making "more enemies than he can outrun," (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_967.php) implying Cubi are a more serious breed of foe. Demons treat politics and killing much more loosely than Cubi, and angering Cubi looks like it's much more hazardous than normal Creature disputes. (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_657.php)
I wonder if the fight would have ended differently if Dan shaped his wings into sporks instead of tentacles. :mowmeep
i'm not catching the whole reason for hating on dan losing, really.
i mean think about it. yes, he may have more raw power. but it's completely untrained.
that's like, say...say we discovered that in reality, tapewolf's grandfather was a prize martial artist. the potential for the martial arts is there in tapewolf, but it hasn't been tapped.
so he gets a few lessons in karate, and doesn't turn out to be too bad. he has a lot of raw potential there, but it's completely untrained. he's better than you'd expect from a white-belt, but there's no way he's awesome yet.
then out of the shadows steps some guy who...i dunno. lights tapewolf's car on fire. so tape gets mad. so mad he can't even think that clearly, and runs after the guy.
sure, he may remember a few moves and use them in fighting. but if that guy is a thug with a knife, the chances are that being driven purely by adrenaline and emotion are going to actually lessen tape's fighting ability, even if he's started to tap into a well of natural talent. that talent is still unpolished - it hasn't become second nature to use these skills in a fight yet.
dan was thinking clearly the last time he defeated DP - and he did it without any cubi powers. this time he was just in an irrational frothing rage, and got his ass wooped.
it's really no secret. if you want to win a fight, or a war, or a battle - you keep a cool head on your shoulders. dan wasn't. so he lost, despite the new talent he was coming into.
a perfect example of this:
how many times have you seen on the internet, someone gets really really mad arguing ...and their argument begins to fall apart? they can't hold their own because they can't think straight. emotion is no good for winning a lengthy fight. it's good for a quick intimidating burst, good for the initial fight-or-flight...but if someone's prepared for that, you better have something more substantial up your sleeve.
for all intents and purposes, if the battle that just transpired were a flamewar on the net, it'd look like this.
regina: *trolling dan* u suk hahahaha ur friends suk i beat them all up
dan: you did not, oh my god
regina: i did i did i did lol wildy cried
dan: SHE DID NOT
regina: she did rofl u wuss
dan: FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF JLKSJFLKSDFL I WILL KILL YOU REGINA I WILL KILL YOU EVERYONE I HAVE A SWORD IN MY HOUSE OMG I WILL KILL YOU FFFFLAKRLAR I AM GOING TO EMAIL YOU VIRUSESSSSSSSS
regina: oh frick uh admin help
DP: dan you're a huge crybaby
dan: AAAAAAAA I AM NOT YOU ARE I HATE REGINA I HATE YOU I HATE EVERYTHING GET OFF THE FORUM YOURE LIKE THOSE GIRLS IN HIGHSCHOOL YOU NAZI
DP: loooooooool
Something odd I just noticed. (And if it's been dealt with beforehand, my apologies.)
DP says, and I quote "Just when I thought I couldn't despise him anymore...."
The whole shtick of DP has seemed to be this cold, impassive, totally nonpersonal villian. He's even giving a lecture to Dan as he runs his claws through his chest. He certainly doesn't seem to despise Dan, acting out of more a sense of professional opposition, and even if he did, he'd be going against his own philosophy to vocalize it so vehemently.
Quote from: techmaster-glitch on March 23, 2009, 02:53:32 PM
Quote from: Mao Laoren on March 23, 2009, 02:42:59 PM
I'm going to say this much: From the little bits we do know about Cubi and Demons your average cubi (power level wise) is no match for a demon. HOWEVER the most powerful cubi far outstrips the power of the most powerful demon. Think on that a bit.
However Dan was (supposed) to be a competant adventurer who has already beaten DP several times before. I guess the lack of a sword does have something to do with this, Dan wouldn't have gotten into a grapple if he had one. However, this does rasie the question of why he didn't have a sword with him in the first place, before he even went over there, as Cog pointed out. Either way...it's beginning to feel like Dan's adventuring competance may be an informed ability (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/InformedAbility).
From Alexi's profile, we know that Dan can summon swords. I think it's logical to assume that Dan thought 4 razor sharp extensible tentacles was more powerful than one or two swords, so there was no need to summon any. Plus, he might not yet have the control needed to expertly wield a sword (or two) and his tentacles simultaneously.
The modern analogy for Dan choosing swords over tentacles might be dropping your M-16 full-auto rifle with laser scope, instead going back the trusty Bow and Arrow combo that worked well in your last few encounters. I'd say Dan's mistake was tactics, not weapon choice.
As icarus points out, Dan's fundamental mistake was losing his head, letting anger rule him.
From the time he finished screaming "I will destroy you!", until Lorenda started to help him up, Dan said not a single word. And Dan is normally fairly verbose and witty. Against Regina he can get away with going enraged, because he out classes her. But not against DP.
Though DP is going to want no small amount of healing magic himself.
Quote from: Mao Laoren on March 23, 2009, 04:07:30 PM
You wouldn't want Dan to be a Gary Stu now would you?
Is this another obscure TV show reference? I've never heard of Gary Stu.
Quote from: AmigaDragon on March 24, 2009, 04:20:02 AM
Quote from: Mao Laoren on March 23, 2009, 04:07:30 PM
You wouldn't want Dan to be a Gary Stu now would you?
Is this another obscure TV show reference? I've never heard of Gary Stu.
male version of the "mary sue" thing.
as for DP's wounds, i'm sure some salt or lemon juice would suffice >:3
Quote from: AmigaDragon on March 24, 2009, 04:20:02 AM
Quote from: Mao Laoren on March 23, 2009, 04:07:30 PM
You wouldn't want Dan to be a Gary Stu now would you?
Is this another obscure TV show reference? I've never heard of Gary Stu.
just in case you've never heard of a mary sue either...
a gary stu/mary sue is a really poorly characterised character. they're basicly super perfect with super awesome abilities, totally untouchable. a lot of the time they're also a self-insert.
like, say this little girl named tammy really really loves harry potter so she writes a harry potter fanfic.
and creates a character in the fanfic named....Tammi.
who has rainbow hair
and knows all the magic ever
and is half siren
and who draco malfoy AND harry potter AND ron weasley all fall in love with
who wears hot topic clothing
and single-handedly defeats voldemort with a secret spell no one ever heard of before
and can heal all wounds with her tears
etc etc etc etc...
actually, the characters in "Twilight" are pretty good examples of mary sues/gary stus...
Quote from: icarus on March 23, 2009, 11:37:05 PM
i'm not catching the whole reason for hating on dan losing, really.
May I just ask that people stop blowing this out of all proportion? I said that it was a shame he lost. I didn't expect the Spanish Inquisition.
Quote from: Tapewolf on March 24, 2009, 05:30:35 AM
Quote from: icarus on March 23, 2009, 11:37:05 PM
i'm not catching the whole reason for hating on dan losing, really.
May I just ask that people stop blowing this out of all proportion? I said that it was a shame he lost. I didn't expect the Spanish Inquisition.
Insert apropos Monty Python quotation here.
NOBODY expects the Spanish Inquisition! Our chief weapon is surprise...surprise...
err.. :B
Anyway. To kinda echo what Tape said, I merely said that it wouldn't be right if Dan won all the time. In fact, I think it would ruin the story if he did. I think that even though he's losing a lot, it's a build up to a comeback. Not necessarily against DP or Regina. Maybe just a revelation on his own part or an evolution of his personality or something, who knows? If he were to win now, I don't think he'd really learn anything from all of this.
Edit: Curse you frrt! Daww I just can't stay mad at you.
Quote from: Mao Laoren on March 24, 2009, 06:31:06 AM
Edit: Curse you frrt! Daww I just can't stay mad at you.
:tighthug
(I'm wisely keeping my opinions re: Dan out of the public arena. :b)
Quote from: Janus Whitefurr on March 24, 2009, 06:36:06 AM
(I'm wisely keeping my opinions re: Dan out of the public arena. :b)
I'm thinking you were onto a winner there :P
i just picked your name as an example, tape :B it was honestly the other posts saying stuff like "I HATE THIS COMIC" that made me try to spell out the logic behind it.
i just figured it'd be a funny mental image. TAPEWOLF, GRANDSON OF THE GREAT KARATE MASTER. WITH A CAR ON FIRE >:O DOING BATTLE IN A DARKENED ALLEY
Quote from: icarus on March 24, 2009, 07:51:38 AM
i just picked your name as an example, tape :B it was honestly the other posts saying stuff like "I HATE THIS COMIC" that made me try to spell out the logic behind it.
I thought it probably was that. I've known for a long time that Amber writes the basic storyline in advance and I can appreciate that Dan does have to lose from time to time. I was just hoping it wouldn't be one of those times.
Quotei just figured it'd be a funny mental image. TAPEWOLF, GRANDSON OF THE GREAT KARATE MASTER. WITH A CAR ON FIRE >:O DOING BATTLE IN A DARKENED ALLEY
Heh. Actually I used to do Tae Kwon Do. I wasn't much good at it, though...
...clearly, i'm a prophet!
better keep a fire extinguisher in your car, just in case...
Quote from: icarus on March 24, 2009, 07:51:38 AM
i just picked your name as an example, tape :B it was honestly the other posts saying stuff like "I HATE THIS COMIC" that made me try to spell out the logic behind it.
i just figured it'd be a funny mental image. TAPEWOLF, GRANDSON OF THE GREAT KARATE MASTER. WITH A CAR ON FIRE >:O DOING BATTLE IN A DARKENED ALLEY
I used to be the master of rolling marbles..
but i lost them all.
now i just set ninjas on fire.
Another rason Dan maybe lost is maybe DP maybe gets, like, you know, more powerful, maybe like you know when he totally like comes back from like he dead and stuff, you know, and is like filled with like demon powers of the undead and stuff.
*heard someone on a phone talking this way... wanted to kill*
Quote from: Alondro on March 24, 2009, 08:26:59 AM
*heard someone on a phone talking this way... wanted to kill*
Rumour is that's how Regina talks.
EDIT: If said person was female, are they available for voice work? :3
actually, i know precisely why Dan lost.
he was angry.. he prolly lost a lot of focus, and was instead relying on savage instinct.
Yeah...er...I was sorta the one who said that they hated this comic. And then I sorta kinda said that I agreed with Tapewolf...So I might sorta kinda be the one responsible for what Tapewolf has been taking the blame for, sorta kinda...And then I sorta kinda ruined the internet...And sorta kinda killed all world leaders...
In all honesty, I don't hate the comic. The artwork is amazing, the character portrayals are good, but the way it's going to draw the storyline I really dislike.
This may not be the right place for this, but the missmab site appears to be down....
Anyone know why?
Quote from: Baal Hadad on March 24, 2009, 01:04:37 PM
This may not be the right place for this, but the missmab site appears to be down....
Since Project Future, Ariannia, Last Resort etc were also down, I guess xepher.net was on the blink again. It seems to have recovered as I write, but they have been down for some time.
Quote from: Tapewolf on March 24, 2009, 01:10:48 PM
Quote from: Baal Hadad on March 24, 2009, 01:04:37 PM
This may not be the right place for this, but the missmab site appears to be down....
Since Project Future, Ariannia, Last Resort etc were also down, I guess xepher.net was on the blink again. It seems to have recovered as I write, but they have been down for some time.
Ah, thanks!
Quote from: Baal Hadad on March 24, 2009, 01:37:55 PM
Ah, thanks!
http://xepher.net/forum/index.php?topic=859.0
Take care of the hand Amber and don't worry. I wouldn't rush you to do the comic. so take your time and give your hand a rest. Wish you luck. :mowwink
A few things I've wondered about DP are the resurrections, his connections to Dan's mom, and his big god.
For the resurrections, I thought if it where a demon god wouldn't it be the same type of ceremony. If it is different then maybe he's something with less of a dark element alignment then a demon. But maybe just being a God means you need having more. For DP ceremony I wonder if you just need the blood and not the sacrifice.
Kria: Oh stop crying will you. After I take the blood I'll let you go.
Princess: (Sniff) You promise?
Kria: Yes. Their done, see you next week when I rampage through your kingdom.
Princess: Eeeep.
Kria: Regina. Please show the the way out.
Regina: Yes master.
For Dan's mom and the big bad god. I wonder if this is a dragon that might have been responsible in part for the clan war between the cubi. If that's the case wouldn't keeping him or her in the ground be one of Dan's moms more important agendas?
Man. I wonder what kind of god were talking about here. A cute small but deadly god or big bad boss battle god?
Quote from: joshofspam on March 24, 2009, 02:09:19 PM
Man. I wonder what kind of god were talking about here. A cute small but deadly god or big bad boss battle god?
For all we know it's a figment of DP's imagination.
Yeah because Amber is suppose to be god of that universe.
Fluffy is the dark god :U
Quote from: JackTheCubiFerret on March 24, 2009, 07:37:44 PM
Yeah because Amber is suppose to be god of that universe.
Apparently there are four 'Cubi gods.
Quote from: Lowde on March 24, 2009, 07:51:24 PM
Fluffy is the dark god :U
No: Deebs is. After all, her name
is "Deathbringer..."
i'd worship deebs. she seems the amiable sort. most of her ceremonies would probably involve cupcakes and applejuice.
Quote from: Tapewolf on March 24, 2009, 07:59:07 PM
Quote from: JackTheCubiFerret on March 24, 2009, 07:37:44 PM
Yeah because Amber is suppose to be god of that universe.
Apparently there are four 'Cubi gods.
*Charline waltzes in* You called? >:3
Quote from: Tapewolf on March 24, 2009, 07:59:07 PM
Quote from: JackTheCubiFerret on March 24, 2009, 07:37:44 PM
Yeah because Amber is suppose to be god of that universe.
Apparently there are four 'Cubi gods.
Sakura, Wacom, Adobe & Graphite?
>:3
maybe we could have an arc someday that shows things from dp's perspective maybe he aint all bad ... well maybe.
Quote from: John Roh on March 25, 2009, 01:22:20 PM
maybe we could have an arc someday that shows things from dp's perspective maybe he aint all bad ... well maybe.
If Deebs is the dark god I can't help but feel that he would have a candy land view of things.
Man. How ironic would that be? An ego like his in his own candy kingdom.
Is it okay if I ask who Charline is? If so, Who is Charline? Is it someone on the forums or a cameo appearance? It's really confusing with all these references to her!
Anyways, on topic. I think Amber is the current God, but Dark Pegasus wants to raise up Fluffy against her, thus explaining why Fluffy has been so mean to Amber: He wants to take over. (I'm positive that one comic referred to Fluffy as a "he")
Quote from: N-Cat on March 26, 2009, 08:57:23 AM
Is it okay if I ask who Charline is? If so, Who is Charline? Is it someone on the forums or a cameo appearance? It's really confusing with all these references to her!
Charline is a character created by Alondro. In the old forum, he would tend to RP as her. By virtue of asking prior to the move he is the only forum member who is allowed to RP in the Lost Lake section, and then only as long as he doesn't go too mad.
See also: http://www.mabsland.com/ArtGroup/Fighter.jpg
Quote from: N-Cat on March 26, 2009, 08:57:23 AM
Anyways, on topic. I think Amber is the current God, but Dark Pegasus wants to raise up Fluffy against her, thus explaining why Fluffy has been so mean to Amber: He wants to take over. (I'm positive that one comic referred to Fluffy as a "he")
Fluffy has also been referred to as "she." Fluffy's like Vaarsuvius. We ain't gettin' a definitive gender of Fluffster.
Quote from: Pagan on March 26, 2009, 09:13:01 AM
Fluffy has also been referred to as "she."
Wrong... (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_856.php)
Quote from: Pagan on March 26, 2009, 09:13:01 AM
Fluffy's like Vaarsuvius. We ain't gettin' a definitive gender of Fluffster.
But yes, that is correct. Fluffy has been referred to as both he and she. The gender is ambiguous.
Quote from: techmaster-glitch on March 26, 2009, 02:53:18 PM
Quote from: Pagan on March 26, 2009, 09:13:01 AM
Fluffy's like Vaarsuvius. We ain't gettin' a definitive gender of Fluffster.
But yes, that is correct. Fluffy has been referred to as both he and she. The gender is ambiguous.
"Amber"
has said that even she isn't certain. (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_825.php)
Quote from: techmaster-glitch on March 26, 2009, 02:53:18 PM
Quote from: Pagan on March 26, 2009, 09:13:01 AM
Fluffy has also been referred to as "she."
Wrong... (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_856.php)
Also, tech. It means "as well as"; in other words, you'll have to find every reference to fluffy and confirm that they are all "he" before your statement stands.
Pagan was saying that Fluffy was only referred to as "she". I was just pointing out that Fluffy's been referred to as "he" and "she". I made no other statement.
Quote from: Pagan on March 26, 2009, 09:13:01 AM
Quote from: N-Cat on March 26, 2009, 08:57:23 AM
Anyways, on topic. I think Amber is the current God, but Dark Pegasus wants to raise up Fluffy against her, thus explaining why Fluffy has been so mean to Amber: He wants to take over. (I'm positive that one comic referred to Fluffy as a "he")
Fluffy has also been referred to as "she." Fluffy's like Vaarsuvius. We ain't gettin' a definitive gender of Fluffster.
Tech, it looks to me like Pagan is saying that it's been referred to as both he and she, if you read what he quoted. Note the word 'also'. His second statement even says that it's not definitive.
...ah. You're right. Sorry. I wasn't reading something right. :B
Heh. No worries. *grin*
Perhaps fluffy is the way of getting past the annoying "political correctness" issues, by remaining totally unknown...... that way, if she ever gets accused of not having a certain type of person represented in the comic, she can just say "look! Fluffy!"
also, why is it that the thought of 4 Cubi gods made me instantly think of the 4 dark Gods from Warhammer? (Yes, I be nerdy and made an annoying connection)
Well, the four Chaos gods in Warhammer 40K are highly emotional beings. Cubi are highly emotional beings. It kinda fits.
...
Where's that "I Want to Believe" poster?
Quote from: Tapewolf on March 26, 2009, 09:04:45 AM
Quote from: N-Cat on March 26, 2009, 08:57:23 AM
Is it okay if I ask who Charline is? If so, Who is Charline? Is it someone on the forums or a cameo appearance? It's really confusing with all these references to her!
Charline is a character created by Alondro. In the old forum, he would tend to RP as her. By virtue of asking prior to the move he is the only forum member who is allowed to RP in the Lost Lake section, and then only as long as he doesn't go too mad.
*Charles goes mad! He runs around naked singing in a high-pitched scratchy voice!* I am the King of gum-drop laaaaaaand! :superlick
Yes, tech-master, that was the one I was thinking of. Thanks! Is there any comic (in specific, I would like the actual comic number) though, that refers to Fluffy as a "she?" I honestly can't remember ever seeing one.
Quote from: Pagan on March 26, 2009, 04:46:48 PM
Well, the four Chaos gods in Warhammer 40K are highly emotional beings. Cubi are highly emotional beings. It kinda fits.
...
Where's that "I Want to Believe" poster?
Fa'lina-Tzeentch!
Quote from: N-Cat on March 26, 2009, 08:37:46 PM
Yes, tech-master, that was the one I was thinking of. Thanks! Is there any comic (in specific, I would like the actual comic number) though, that refers to Fluffy as a "she?" I honestly can't remember ever seeing one.
http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_849.php "her"
Which is odd because I seem to recall Fluffy being referred to as a "he" elsewhere in the comic....
Quote from: Baal Hadad on March 27, 2009, 02:43:49 AM
Which is odd because I seem to recall Fluffy being referred to as a "he" elsewhere in the comic....
... pay attention, Baal. That's what the conversation is all about...
Quote from: llearch n'n'daCorna on March 27, 2009, 06:31:48 AM
Quote from: Baal Hadad on March 27, 2009, 02:43:49 AM
Which is odd because I seem to recall Fluffy being referred to as a "he" elsewhere in the comic....
... pay attention, Baal. That's what the conversation is all about...
Mea culpa....
*hides in corner*