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Title: 12/05/08 [Abel 2 #16] - Must you do this?
Post by: Feather Dancer on May 12, 2008, 03:51:08 PM
Aniz acting remotely... sane and not foot in mouthish. Scary.

I expected Paunch :(
Title: Re: 12/05/08 [Abel #16] Must you do this?
Post by: Dannysaysnoo on May 12, 2008, 03:56:30 PM
I just got an image of Fa'Lina and Aniz in Ultimia 7.

"Must you do this, Aniz?"
Title: Re: 12/05/08 [Abel #16] Must you do this?
Post by: Alondro on May 12, 2008, 04:01:27 PM
*Charline understands the female psyche... being female and all...*  A woman forced to recall old emotional scars is the most dangerous kind.  Especially for the one who forced them to remember. 

*hopes there will be horrid mangling of Aniz next time!*   :boogie
Title: Re: 12/05/08 [Abel #16] Must you do this?
Post by: Ren Gaulen on May 12, 2008, 04:02:36 PM
Aniz's common sense along with the sense of shame kicked in. Finally. :sweatdrop
But whatever Aniz's plan is, it's quite important to him, since he is ready to wait for nearly three centuries to accomplish it.
Quote from: Alondro on May 12, 2008, 04:01:27 PM
*Charline understands the female psyche... being female and all...*  A woman forced to recall old emotional scars is the most dangerous kind.  Especially for the one who forced them to remember. 

*hopes there will be horrid mangling of Aniz next time!*   :boogie
Abandon your hopes, then. >:3 He is already leaving.
Title: Re: 12/05/08 [Abel #16] Must you do this?
Post by: PurpleCheeseLlama on May 12, 2008, 04:03:56 PM
Fa'lina looks so beautiful and sad in that last panel ;-;
Title: Re: 12/05/08 [Abel #16] Must you do this?
Post by: Don on May 12, 2008, 04:05:25 PM
This..is somewhat confusing, Aniz went from looking like an idiot who was seconds away from death..to someone who is actually capable of being sensable when he gets into tthe right situation. Fa'lina seems to have no intention of really killing him but her words of 'must you do this?' almost make them sound like good friends and Aniz merely screwed up..wich may be so and I just mmissed alot of things in the past couple weeks.

I'm not actually thinking right now so that's proboblly all i'm going to say for this but i'll definatly be reading.
Title: Re: 12/05/08 [Abel #16] Must you do this?
Post by: Angel on May 12, 2008, 04:10:23 PM
Quote from: 96Zack96 on May 12, 2008, 04:05:25 PM
This..is somewhat confusing, Aniz went from looking like an idiot who was seconds away from death..to someone who is actually capable of being sensably when he gets into tthe right situation. Fa'lina seems to have no intention of really killing him but her words of 'must you do this?' almost make them sound like good friends and Aniz merely screwed up..

I was just thinking the same thing. Now I feel bad for both of them... :(

At least this confirms that Aniz is capable of genuine non-jerkdom. And once again, I see Abel taking after his father personality-wise.
Title: Re: 12/05/08 [Abel #16] Must you do this?
Post by: Tapewolf on May 12, 2008, 04:13:52 PM
Quote from: PurpleCheeseLlama on May 12, 2008, 04:03:56 PM
Fa'lina looks so beautiful and sad in that last panel ;-;
Indeed.  Very much so.

This does give me hope that Aniz - who does actually seem to be capable of learning - will have got his act together in the intervening three centuries.
Title: Re: 12/05/08 [Abel #16] Must you do this?
Post by: Ren Gaulen on May 12, 2008, 04:18:16 PM
Quote from: Black_angel on May 12, 2008, 04:10:23 PM
At least this confirms that Aniz is capable of genuine non-jerkdom.

Yeah. It's nice to see him acting as a decent person. He was making me want to rip out his tongue lately..
Title: Re: 12/05/08 [Abel #16] Must you do this?
Post by: Tapewolf on May 12, 2008, 04:38:59 PM
Quote from: Dannysaysnoo on May 12, 2008, 03:56:30 PM
I just got an image of Fa'Lina and Aniz in Ultimia 7.

"Must you do this, Aniz?"

Since you brought it up:

(http://i89.photobucket.com/albums/k216/tapewolf/dmfa/falina_u7.png)
http://i89.photobucket.com/albums/k216/tapewolf/dmfa/falina_u7.png
Title: Re: 12/05/08 [Abel 2 #16] - Must you do this?
Post by: Ralanost on May 12, 2008, 04:44:57 PM
All this hostility towards each other and now this....they exes? :erk
Title: Re: 12/05/08 [Abel #16] Must you do this?
Post by: RyuuYareYare on May 12, 2008, 04:58:56 PM
Quote from: PurpleCheeseLlama on May 12, 2008, 04:03:56 PM
Fa'lina looks so beautiful and sad in that last panel ;-;

yeah im strangely suprised shes not puching him or made a mock comment. :bunn :curseyou
Title: Re: 12/05/08 [Abel 2 #16] - Must you do this?
Post by: Saist on May 12, 2008, 05:02:02 PM
/me tilts his head and gets a REALLY confused look on his face

plot... twist...  my head hurts now...
Title: Re: 12/05/08 [Abel #16] Must you do this?
Post by: PurpleCheeseLlama on May 12, 2008, 05:11:05 PM
Quote from: Tapewolf on May 12, 2008, 04:13:52 PM
Quote from: PurpleCheeseLlama on May 12, 2008, 04:03:56 PM
Fa'lina looks so beautiful and sad in that last panel ;-;
Indeed.  Very much so.

This does give me hope that Aniz - who does actually seem to be capable of learning - will have got his act together in the intervening three centuries.

*lightbulb* Wait, after 3 centuries, Abel will be 325(ish)...he's near 400 now, so does he have a half-sibling somewhere in the Academy?

I bet this has already been answered XD
Title: Re: 12/05/08 [Abel 2 #16] - Must you do this?
Post by: Raskahn on May 12, 2008, 05:14:27 PM
And that's good writing ladies and gentleman. even after all these years of DMFA, Amber never fails to amaze me.

Emotional Fa'lina: +1 character development.
Title: Re: 12/05/08 [Abel 2 #16] - Must you do this?
Post by: Ren Gaulen on May 12, 2008, 05:19:54 PM
Quote from: PurpleCheeseLlama on May 12, 2008, 05:11:05 PM
*lightbulb* Wait, after 3 centuries, Abel will be 325(ish)...he's near 400 now, so does he have a half-sibling somewhere in the Academy?

I bet this has already been answered XD

Yeah, and his younger brother's name is Daniel. (I am only joking about it.) "Foolish little brother... You are weak... Why are you so weak?.. Because you lack... brains. >:3" Now an image of Abel dressed up and acting like Itachi from "Naruto" is stuck in your brain.
Title: Re: 12/05/08 [Abel 2 #16] - Must you do this?
Post by: Rafe on May 12, 2008, 06:08:59 PM
Wow.  We've seen a lot of really intense emotions from Fa'Lina, and in between, she usually is just her normal,  supremely confident (maybe even arrogant) self.  And now...this.

She's hurt, but not angry-hurt. Maybe disappointed, maybe even a little scared.  Whatever it is, for the first time, she actually looks vulnerable.
Title: Re: 12/05/08 [Abel 2 #16] - Must you do this?
Post by: Brunhidden on May 12, 2008, 06:09:59 PM
she almost seems CONCERNED for asshole.... this is somehow foreshadowing
Title: Re: 12/05/08 [Abel 2 #16] - Must you do this?
Post by: terrycloth on May 12, 2008, 06:25:37 PM
I was kind of thinking Daniel, too... but Abel's too old for that.

It's probably *someone* Ti'Fiona, though, since Falina used that to get Abel to agree to tutor Dan.
Title: Re: 12/05/08 [Abel 2 #16] - Must you do this?
Post by: Wanderer on May 12, 2008, 07:20:46 PM
QuoteAniz's common sense along with the sense of shame kicked in. Finally.
Finally indeed. Just goes to show that there are times when even he can realize he's gone too far. Like last time, when he made a blunder that could be described as "cosmically stupid."

Quote from: The ForumNews: The cake is delicious and moist.
The cake is a lie!
Title: Re: 12/05/08 [Abel 2 #16] - Must you do this?
Post by: Lucheek on May 12, 2008, 07:58:18 PM
I think she's conserned for Abel...

Maybe next page will reveal Aniz's plan!
Title: Re: 12/05/08 [Abel 2 #16] - Must you do this?
Post by: Ryan_Galen on May 12, 2008, 08:02:53 PM
Quote from: terrycloth on May 12, 2008, 06:25:37 PM
I was kind of thinking Daniel, too... but Abel's too old for that.

It's probably *someone* Ti'Fiona, though, since Falina used that to get Abel to agree to tutor Dan.

Same thought came to me. Checking the archive, there is some similarity between Edward (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_297.php) and Aniz (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Ab_017.php). Not much, mostly the hair, but there won't be much if Aniz had a kid with a being anyway. If this is the case, then most likely Aniz has been "spreading his seeds" again in an attempt to sire a kid who looks just like them (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Ab_013.php).

As for Fa'Lina's last comment... it probally means that what Aniz is doing resonates somehow with the genocide of her clan. My bets are still on it being genetic reincarnation of certain dead members of his own clan, but that is just a far off guess.
Title: Re: 12/05/08 [Abel 2 #16] - Must you do this?
Post by: Tapewolf on May 12, 2008, 08:35:09 PM
Quote from: Ryan_Galen on May 12, 2008, 08:02:53 PM
Same thought came to me. Checking the archive, there is some similarity between Edward and Aniz. Not much, mostly the hair, but there won't be much if Aniz had a kid with a being anyway.
If Edward is Aniz, it would explain - among other things - why Dee didn't erase him and why there are no clear shots of Edward's arm where Aniz' clan mark would be (though there are admittedly only about 3-4 pictures of him at all).  This line of reasoning seems to upset some people (?) so out of courtesy, I shall say no more.
Title: Re: 12/05/08 [Abel 2 #16] - Must you do this?
Post by: Aurawyn on May 12, 2008, 09:46:47 PM
Fa'lina's Expression made my heart hurt  :cry
Title: Re: 12/05/08 [Abel 2 #16] - Must you do this?
Post by: Zedd on May 12, 2008, 10:24:10 PM
Oh tardation and non expecting...Wow I never expected feel so mixed feelings for her now and Aniz as well
Title: Re: 12/05/08 [Abel 2 #16] - Must you do this?
Post by: mousekrod on May 12, 2008, 10:45:44 PM
First thing that came to my mind is that she's concerned not about him, but about his going through with his plans and ruining more people's lives.
Title: Re: 12/05/08 [Abel 2 #16] - Must you do this?
Post by: RobbieThe1st on May 12, 2008, 11:15:59 PM
Quote from: mousekrod on May 12, 2008, 10:45:44 PM
First thing that came to my mind is that she's concerned not about him, but about his going through with his plans and ruining more people's lives.
Are you sure? I thought it had more to do with the fact that Abel will take quite a while to train. If you are trying to increase the 'Cubi population, and you are having people like Aniz do it, you want any offspring to be trainable.

Remember, 'Cubi think of Beings as a food source, and a source of offspring. Being lives are worth almost nothing. My feeling is that the reason you don't get 'Cubi killing Beings En-masse is because if you get enough Beings riled up, they could take down a 'Cubi. (While a single Being might only be as strong as a bee, enough bee stings can kill a human).

Those are my thoughts on the matter.

-RobbieThe1st
Title: Re: 12/05/08 [Abel 2 #16] - Must you do this?
Post by: Goatmon on May 12, 2008, 11:17:06 PM
Quote from: Tapewolf on May 12, 2008, 08:35:09 PM
Quote from: Ryan_Galen on May 12, 2008, 08:02:53 PM
Same thought came to me. Checking the archive, there is some similarity between Edward and Aniz. Not much, mostly the hair, but there won't be much if Aniz had a kid with a being anyway.
If Edward is Aniz, it would explain - among other things - why Dee didn't erase him and why there are no clear shots of Edward's arm where Aniz' clan mark would be (though there are admittedly only about 3-4 pictures of him at all).  This line of reasoning seems to upset some people (?) so out of courtesy, I shall say no more.

That line of thinking isn't exactly wrong for any particular reason, but I'm kind of skeptical on whether Aniz had even been thought up at the time of those pages. 

Also, as you said, there are very few images of him as it is so it could just as easily be a total coincidence. 

Very interesting theory, though. 
Title: Re: 12/05/08 [Abel 2 #16] - Must you do this?
Post by: Magic on May 13, 2008, 12:02:25 AM
Take note of the timeline. When will Aniz get back to SAIA?
Title: Re: 12/05/08 [Abel 2 #16] - Must you do this?
Post by: celelorien on May 13, 2008, 12:03:21 AM
Quote from: Lucheek on May 12, 2008, 07:58:18 PM
I think she's conserned for Abel...

Maybe next page will reveal Aniz's plan!

i kinda always figured his plan was to set himself up as a founder of a new clan of his own or something... maybe Fa'Lina's "Must you do this?" is because she JUST got reminded of the pain of having a clan (and having it wiped out)... i dunno, my thoughts.  i highly doubt Danny-boy's related to Abel by blood or anything... maybe Edward's the one who finally killed Aniz? :0 i dunno, we shall have to WAIT AND SEEEE~!  :mwaha

in other news, Fa'Lina's face in that last panel is heartbreaking. :< want to hug poor pink poodle!
Title: Re: 12/05/08 [Abel 2 #16] - Must you do this?
Post by: Royden on May 13, 2008, 12:51:24 AM
Hm... Honestly this made me remember as to I am curious what his lans are. We have the theories that he's making his own clan, but I don't know... 75 years wouldn't affect someone that long lived in that area I don't think, and apparently whatever he's trying is a repeat of what has been tried before.

QuoteOnly three? Call me impressed. The last one who tried this had three on the way when I shut him down.
-Fa'lina mocking Aniz when he asked her what seventy five years will do to his plans. Ables Story Part II Page 14

As this could be founding of a new clan... with that page and her asking if he has to do this... makes me wonder if he's trying something bigger.



...Or I could be batting one heck of a foul ball in my random thoughts...
Title: Re: 12/05/08 [Abel 2 #16] - Must you do this?
Post by: Rithm Alfortele on May 13, 2008, 12:53:52 AM
Aniz's face in the second panel is awesome; hasn't anyone else noticed?

It's kinda like a deer in the headlights; except with less spaziness.

His vocal mistake just cost him another two-hundred years.  He just realized he's screwed and there's no way to possible fix this mistake.

The next panel... is depressive acceptance.

Amber, how do you manage to make all of your characters so deep? :B
Title: Re: 12/05/08 [Abel 2 #16] - Must you do this?
Post by: !KCA on May 13, 2008, 02:05:05 AM
Quote from: Zachski on May 13, 2008, 12:53:52 AMAmber, how do you manage to make all of your characters so deep? :B

She hands them a pick and shovel and tells them to start digging.


Honestly, though, we have no idea what's going on. If Amber twists the plot any more, people's heads are going to start popping off.

Keep an umbrella handy.
Title: Re: 12/05/08 [Abel 2 #16] - Must you do this?
Post by: AmigaDragon on May 13, 2008, 02:23:09 AM
I seriously doubt Edward is Aniz. As was suggested before, I think Dee would be able to tell a being from a cubi.

Another idea though, can cubi have non-cubi offspring? Could Edward be Aniz's son? That would make Uncle Abel Dan's current tutor.
If cubi can have non-cubi offspring, will the next generation with beings always be beings (Alexsi) or can some cubi genes sometimes slip through?

(was that enough over-analysis?)
Title: Re: 12/05/08 [Abel 2 #16] - Must you do this?
Post by: Valynth on May 13, 2008, 03:37:17 AM
Quote from: !KCA on May 13, 2008, 02:05:05 AM
Quote from: Zachski on May 13, 2008, 12:53:52 AMAmber, how do you manage to make all of your characters so deep? :B
Honestly, though, we have no idea what's going on. If Amber twists the plot any more, people's heads are going to start popping off.

Keep an umbrella handy.

*wears a poncho*
Much better than an umbrella.

Anyway, I think this is a rare sign of exhaustion on Fa'lina's part.  It sounds a bit like she's tired of Aniz's antics, not necessarily because it's Aniz, but because she's seen the same type of moves and can see disaster on the horizon for Aniz, but feels that he'll still run straight into it regardless of what she does.  In short, the question seems like a last hail-mary attempt to get Aniz to change, perhaps because Fa'lina still feels the need to try and protect 'Cubi despite their obvious stupidity.
Title: Re: 12/05/08 [Abel 2 #16] - Must you do this?
Post by: Victoire Épique on May 13, 2008, 03:50:12 AM
Amber's ability in drawing facial expressions that show emotion has really skyrocketed lately, in my opinion.


According to his character sheet, Abel's almost 400 now. So that would mean Aniz should have been able to return to SAIA almost a century ago.
It's also mentioned that he's part of a widespread and almost extinct clan.
Based on what I've seen so far in Abel's story...
Abel and Aniz are evidently from the same clan, as they have the same marking.
I think either Aniz was trying to either form his own clan or rebuild it.
Personally, I believe he's trying to rebuild it, considering how he mentioned that Abel 'looks just like them'.
I could very easily be wrong. With the amount of twists going on...
I can see why Abel was upset when he won that wallpaper war. xP

...I also think Fa'lina needs some of May's cookies. :3
Title: Re: 12/05/08 [Abel 2 #16] - Must you do this?
Post by: Fex on May 13, 2008, 03:58:10 AM
If Aniz is in danger he should call Chuck Noris becouse no one is stronger then him
Title: Re: 12/05/08 [Abel 2 #16] - Must you do this?
Post by: Tapewolf on May 13, 2008, 04:19:27 AM
Quote from: AmigaDragon on May 13, 2008, 02:23:09 AM
I seriously doubt Edward is Aniz. As was suggested before, I think Dee would be able to tell a being from a cubi.
I don't doubt.  But it might take a few minutes.

Quote from: Ink on May 13, 2008, 12:02:25 AM
Take note of the timeline. When will Aniz get back to SAIA?
It's about -375 at the moment.  If Aniz starts in 250 years and the child is ready to attend in 25 years it will be a century prior to present-day, by my reckoning or 75 years prior, if Aniz leaves a round 300 years.
Title: Re: 12/05/08 [Abel 2 #16] - Must you do this?
Post by: Brunhidden on May 13, 2008, 09:44:28 AM
Quote from: Fex on May 13, 2008, 03:58:10 AM
If Aniz is in danger he should call Chuck Noris becouse no one is stronger then him

well there is the 'ultimate showdown' option, which handles chuck quite efficently
Title: Re: 12/05/08 [Abel 2 #16] - Must you do this?
Post by: Ren Gaulen on May 13, 2008, 11:10:55 AM
Quote from: Fex on May 13, 2008, 03:58:10 AM
If Aniz is in danger he should call Chuck Noris becouse no one is stronger then him

*ker-Morbo* CHUCK NORRIS DOES NOT WORK THAT WAY!!!! D:< */ker-Morbo*

Quote from: Brunhidden on May 13, 2008, 09:44:28 AM
well there is the 'ultimate showdown' option, which handles chuck quite efficently

Or one could summon Sean Connery. He seemed to be quite capable of beating Chuck Norris in "Oblivion". (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0rJstpP1dXI)
Title: Re: 12/05/08 [Abel 2 #16] - Must you do this?
Post by: Caswin on May 13, 2008, 11:48:28 AM
Quote from: Aurawyn on May 12, 2008, 09:46:47 PM
Fa'lina's Expression made my heart hurt  :cry
For a moment, I thought you said "head", and was quoting this to agree with you.

She does look sad and beautiful.  Which does not compute.  Even though I'm already starting to like her in spite of myself, and all the more with the beginning of this page.
Title: Re: 12/05/08 [Abel #16] Must you do this?
Post by: Psaakyrn on May 13, 2008, 12:31:54 PM
Quote from: PurpleCheeseLlama on May 12, 2008, 05:11:05 PM
Quote from: Tapewolf on May 12, 2008, 04:13:52 PM
Quote from: PurpleCheeseLlama on May 12, 2008, 04:03:56 PM
Fa'lina looks so beautiful and sad in that last panel ;-;
Indeed.  Very much so.

This does give me hope that Aniz - who does actually seem to be capable of learning - will have got his act together in the intervening three centuries.

*lightbulb* Wait, after 3 centuries, Abel will be 325(ish)...he's near 400 now, so does he have a half-sibling somewhere in the Academy?

I bet this has already been answered XD

I'm still half expecting Pyroduck to be said sibling...
Title: Re: 12/05/08 [Abel 2 #16] - Must you do this?
Post by: Naldru on May 13, 2008, 01:18:18 PM
If Pyroduck is Abel's half-brother, that would mean that Aniz had some really hot dates.  (Assuming that dragons in DMFA can breath fire.)  In such a relationship, Aniz would certainly have trouble throwing his weight around. (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_683.php)
Title: Re: 12/05/08 [Abel #16] Must you do this?
Post by: SpottedKitty on May 13, 2008, 02:39:11 PM
Quote from: Tapewolf on May 12, 2008, 04:13:52 PM
This does give me hope that Aniz - who does actually seem to be capable of learning - will have got his act together in the intervening three centuries.
Assuming, of course, his foot-in-mouth disease doesn't flare up again, causing someone to get his attention with a half-brick bounced off his pointy little head and drop him into the nearest volcano (with or without fifty million orange pillows)...

And now I think I'll spend the next few months working out the connection between the statements "must you do this?" and "he looks just like them" — assuming Aniz is trying to rebuild his clan, is there something in the past to explain why that clan was driven to near-extinction? A reason Fa'lina can't disagree with? Although she knows Aniz will keep trying regardless? <assumes Thinker pose>
Title: Re: 12/05/08 [Abel #16] Must you do this?
Post by: Tapewolf on May 13, 2008, 03:07:56 PM
Quote from: SpottedKitty on May 13, 2008, 02:39:11 PM
And now I think I'll spend the next few months working out the connection between the statements "must you do this?" and "he looks just like them" — assuming Aniz is trying to rebuild his clan, is there something in the past to explain why that clan was driven to near-extinction? A reason Fa'lina can't disagree with? Although she knows Aniz will keep trying regardless?

One possibility is that she is simply referring to him driving his own son insane, though I rather doubt it now.  It does look more like that was simply incompetence than malice.
I would tend to agree with your analysis that he's trying to rebuild his clan and that he will somehow be disappointed by the results.
Title: Re: 12/05/08 [Abel 2 #16] - Must you do this?
Post by: KarlOmega1 on May 13, 2008, 07:23:16 PM
Personally, when Fa'lina said "Must you do this?"....I think she was pointing out how much trouble Aniz keeps getting in. Also, I think she possibly cares for him...of course that's just my speculation...
Title: Re: 12/05/08 [Abel 2 #16] - Must you do this?
Post by: Stig Hemmer on May 13, 2008, 08:12:24 PM
Quote from: Valynth on May 13, 2008, 03:37:17 AMAnyway, I think this is a rare sign of exhaustion on Fa'lina's part.  It sounds a bit like she's tired of Aniz's antics, not necessarily because it's Aniz, but because she's seen the same type of moves and can see disaster on the horizon for Aniz, but feels that he'll still run straight into it regardless of what she does.
Indeed. Fa'lina is old.  She has seen dozens, if not hundreds of Anizes, almost as many Abels and whatever she does, they never, ever learn.  Anybody can get tired by that.

As for Abels possible half-sibling, I think Destania seems like a more logical choice than Edward.  I was about to add "or Aaryanna", but then I looked at her cast page. She is older than Abel. Destania, on the other hand... has no cast page.  Makes you wonder why, doesn't it?
Title: Re: 12/05/08 [Abel 2 #16] - Must you do this?
Post by: Psaakyrn on May 13, 2008, 09:58:49 PM
Except that a) Destinia is already of a seperate clan, b) Abel should know if that's the case, and there's no hint of such, c) Destinina should know if that's the case, and there's no hint of such, d) cast pages are subject to change anyway (see example: Pyroduck's cast page update of family relations to include Fa'lina, and e) there is -- **gets kidnapped  and mind-wiped**
Title: Re: 12/05/08 [Abel 2 #16] - Must you do this?
Post by: Naldru on May 13, 2008, 10:12:47 PM
Quote from: Stig Hemmer on May 13, 2008, 08:12:24 PM
As for Abels possible half-sibling, I think Destania seems like a more logical choice than Edward.  I was about to add "or Aaryanna", but then I looked at her cast page. She is older than Abel. Destania, on the other hand... has no cast page.  Makes you wonder why, doesn't it?
Since Destania was Aaryanna's teacher, that would suggest that Destania is older than Aaryanna.
Title: Re: 12/05/08 [Abel 2 #16] - Must you do this?
Post by: techmaster-glitch on May 13, 2008, 10:19:27 PM
Quote from: Naldru on May 13, 2008, 10:12:47 PM
Quote from: Stig Hemmer on May 13, 2008, 08:12:24 PM
As for Abels possible half-sibling, I think Destania seems like a more logical choice than Edward.  I was about to add "or Aaryanna", but then I looked at her cast page. She is older than Abel. Destania, on the other hand... has no cast page.  Makes you wonder why, doesn't it?
Since Destania was Aaryanna's teacher, that would suggest that Destania is older than Aaryanna.
Also that Destania has been confirmed to be at least seven-thousand years old. Can't remember where Amber said it, but she did. Ask Tapewolf or llearch, they will probably be able to find something on it.
Title: Re: 12/05/08 [Abel 2 #16] - Must you do this?
Post by: Tapewolf on May 14, 2008, 05:58:49 AM
Quote from: techmaster-glitch on May 13, 2008, 10:19:27 PM
Also that Destania has been confirmed to be at least seven-thousand years old. Can't remember where Amber said it, but she did. Ask Tapewolf or llearch, they will probably be able to find something on it.

It took a while:
http://clockworkmansion.com/forum/index.php/topic,1676.msg67227.html#msg67227
Title: Re: 12/05/08 [Abel 2 #16] - Must you do this?
Post by: llearch n'n'daCorna on May 14, 2008, 08:20:32 AM
I would have thought it'd be linked as a citation in the wiki?

http://dmfa.wikia.com/wiki/Destania_Ti%27Fiona

(although I note you just added it)
Title: Re: 12/05/08 [Abel 2 #16] - Must you do this?
Post by: Tapewolf on May 14, 2008, 08:33:20 AM
Quote from: llearch n'n'daCorna on May 14, 2008, 08:20:32 AM
I would have thought it'd be linked as a citation in the wiki?

It should have been, although it's likely that I or whoever added the info originally didn't know best how to handle citations inside the character profile.  In this case I turned the age into a hyperlink.
Title: Re: 12/05/08 [Abel 2 #16] - Must you do this?
Post by: llearch n'n'daCorna on May 14, 2008, 09:10:24 AM
... cite it in the text. :-P
Title: Re: 12/05/08 [Abel 2 #16] - Must you do this?
Post by: Brunhidden on May 14, 2008, 09:37:46 AM
with an age like that i somehow think that dest and fa would have a loooooong history with each other we may want to hear sometime

this also implies dest frequently used chowing down on souls to extend her life, and suggests that dan may someday meet his great great great great great great great grand niece/nephew cause thats a long time to only pop out one kid
Title: Re: 12/05/08 [Abel 2 #16] - Must you do this?
Post by: Tapewolf on May 14, 2008, 09:49:04 AM
Quote from: Brunhidden on May 14, 2008, 09:37:46 AM
with an age like that i somehow think that dest and fa would have a loooooong history with each other we may want to hear sometime

We have an unconfirmed report that the Academy was formed 7000 years ago, which would make Dee one of the first students.

Quotethis also implies dest frequently used chowing down on souls to extend her life, and suggests that dan may someday meet his great great great great great great great grand niece/nephew cause thats a long time to only pop out one kid
If you're talking about Dee, I suspect that the prohibition against children extends to the staff as well.

As for chowing on souls, see also: http://clockworkmansion.com/forum/index.php/topic,3297.msg142336.html#msg142336

...I think we can safely assume that she 'cleans up' after lessons  :disbelief
Title: Re: 12/05/08 [Abel 2 #16] - Must you do this?
Post by: Psaakyrn on May 14, 2008, 10:54:40 PM
Quote from: Tapewolf on May 14, 2008, 09:49:04 AM
Quote from: Brunhidden on May 14, 2008, 09:37:46 AM
with an age like that i somehow think that dest and fa would have a loooooong history with each other we may want to hear sometime

We have an unconfirmed report that the Academy was formed 7000 years ago, which would make Dee one of the first students.

Quotethis also implies dest frequently used chowing down on souls to extend her life, and suggests that dan may someday meet his great great great great great great great grand niece/nephew cause thats a long time to only pop out one kid
If you're talking about Dee, I suspect that the prohibition against children extends to the staff as well.

As for chowing on souls, see also: http://clockworkmansion.com/forum/index.php/topic,3297.msg142336.html#msg142336

...I think we can safely assume that she 'cleans up' after lessons  :disbelief

Or possibly first teachers... Nope, I'm wrong, first students it is.
Title: Re: 12/05/08 [Abel 2 #16] - Must you do this?
Post by: AmigaDragon on May 14, 2008, 11:35:49 PM
First students can be first additional teachers (unless Fa'lina already had other cubi as teachers when she opened the academy)
Title: Re: 12/05/08 [Abel 2 #16] - Must you do this?
Post by: AmigaDragon on May 16, 2008, 02:09:17 AM
I didn't notice anyone responding to my earlier question whether Aniz would tutor any further existing offspring in the next 76 - now 276 - years or if there's other options available until Fa'lina lets him enroll more. Are cubi expected - or even required - to get some kind of cubi schooling, whether Academy or homeschooling? Are there other schools available? What was it like before Fa'lina started the Academy?
Title: Re: 12/05/08 [Abel 2 #16] - Must you do this?
Post by: Psaakyrn on May 16, 2008, 04:03:25 AM
I corrected myself because of http://missmab.com/Comics/Vol_489.php which strongly implied that Destinia was enrolled as a student first.

http://missmab.com/Demo/cubi.php and http://missmab.com/Comics/Vol_508.php provides some information on SAIA and cubi education.
Title: Re: 12/05/08 [Abel 2 #16] - Must you do this?
Post by: Tapewolf on May 16, 2008, 04:25:37 AM
Quote from: AmigaDragon on May 16, 2008, 02:09:17 AM
Are cubi expected - or even required - to get some kind of cubi schooling, whether Academy or homeschooling? Are there other schools available? What was it like before Fa'lina started the Academy?

Amber's covered this before.  It'll be tricky to find the post but I'll summarise what I remember:

Before the Academy, 'Cubi were taught by their own clans.  As I understand it, the Academy was actually founded by recruiting the best teachers that Fa'Lina was able to convince to join.
Not all clans use SAIA (it is not mandatory) but those who do have a substantially better survival rate in the outside world, being able to benefit from the accumulated wisdom of many clans rather than just one.

So yes, Aniz could teach them himself but I don't think he'd have the skill or patience from what I can see.  Yes, he spent 25-26 years on Abel, but he was desperate to pawn him off onto Fa'Lina as soon as he could.
Title: Re: 12/05/08 [Abel 2 #16] - Must you do this?
Post by: AmigaDragon on May 16, 2008, 11:23:38 AM
I entirely forgot reading that in Demonology.

What little we saw if Cid/Aniz up to Abel's "popping" leads me to believe he left the handling of most all of Abel's education to May. So Abel would have no knowledge of anything cubi-related, especially anything regarding their abilities. So teaching his offspring cubi ways would be new to him. :starwars "Luke, I'm your father you're a cubi" (I thought I remembered a smiley of that rather than this fight one).
Title: Re: 12/05/08 [Abel 2 #16] - Must you do this?
Post by: Raffe on May 16, 2008, 12:24:34 PM
Quote from: Tapewolf on May 16, 2008, 04:25:37 AM
So yes, Aniz could teach them himself but I don't think he'd have the skill or patience from what I can see.  Yes, he spent 25-26 years on Abel, but he was desperate to pawn him off onto Fa'Lina as soon as he could.
One thing I could see him doing is fathering a group of children this time and trying to teach them himself/with outside help/with the group teaching eachother some after minor guidance. And besides, if theres a group, less likely to be taken out by normal adventurers.
Only problom might be the mothers, if he wants them around or not...
Title: Re: 12/05/08 [Abel 2 #16] - Must you do this?
Post by: AmigaDragon on May 18, 2008, 02:54:40 AM
I just realized something...

Quote from: AnizSo...I guess I will see you in three hundred or something. (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Ab_017.php)

Quote from: Victoire Épique on May 17, 2008, 11:31:17 PM
Quote from: Deebs' servant on May 17, 2008, 11:09:02 PM
Heh, reminds me of Abel's "AAAUGH! I don't want to be sodomized!!" (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Abel_40.php)

Well, that was over 300 years ago...

Unless someone has already done something about Aniz (perhaps Edward, as it has been suggested already in another thread), it seems that we may see something of Aniz or his other offspring in the current time line main story (sometime after the flashback story).

Or perhaps this is just a coincidence.
Title: Re: 12/05/08 [Abel 2 #16] - Must you do this?
Post by: Victoire Épique on May 18, 2008, 04:19:16 AM
Quote from: AmigaDragon on May 18, 2008, 02:54:40 AM
I just realized something...

Quote from: AnizSo...I guess I will see you in three hundred or something. (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Ab_017.php)

Quote from: Victoire Épique on May 17, 2008, 11:31:17 PM
Quote from: Deebs' servant on May 17, 2008, 11:09:02 PM
Heh, reminds me of Abel's "AAAUGH! I don't want to be sodomized!!" (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Abel_40.php)

Well, that was over 300 years ago...

Unless someone has already done something about Aniz (perhaps Edward, as it has been suggested already in another thread), it seems that we may see something of Aniz or his other offspring in the current time line main story (sometime after the flashback story).

Or perhaps this is just a coincidence.

I thought that at one point, but Abel is almost 400 now, hence why I said over 300 years ago. Aniz should, theoretically, have been able to return 99 years ago. So I'm not sure.
-shrugs-
He could show up, or perhaps offspring of his, or perhaps there'll be another twist in Abel's story. Heaven forbid that something that we were expecting happens.