So Albanion was afraid?
And what's all this about the queen not having anything? That just sounds like speculation bait.
Hmm. Mab must have one of those magic spears that most Moblins have. They respawn in their hands in case they miss.
Perhaps Mab is quite the force to be reckoned with, and we're probably going to have to learn a little more about the Fae to get why the queen would have nothing to offer.
And a little note about Amber's boarder crossing concerns, I was informed by a college friend once that they would sometimes have issues crossing the boarder, but that if they lied and said they were going to this one strip club, the boarder people always let him through with no problem.
Say what you will about Mab, atleast she's consistant :mowhappy
I really wanna know what the heck happend between these two. I keep trying to come up with theories on it but each one seems more rediculous then the last.
Gathered from the conversation, I'd guess that only the fae queen cannot be injured by physical weapons, hence why Albanion apparently has an aversion to sharp pointy things in the hands of angry Mabs.
mayhaps the fact that nutmeg IS queen means she does not have anything to give- any number of reasons for this, such as the queen is not allowed to bribe or pay but must receive only gifts, perhaps she technically owns everything so cant really trade one thing for another, or perhaps the fact that its a freaking soul means that mundane wealth is worthless to buy it.
remember, theese are fey, they can blow gold coins out their tuckus if they want to so i think they use something else to buy important items they cant just poof.
QuoteLuck is my middle name. Mind you, my first name is Bad.
well, Mab certainly never UNDERdoes somehing, that's for sure...
I wonder what being the queen means where being a customer in the soul department stands... Other than the obvious, what could possibly be "offered" to get your hands on someone's soul?
We know that the Fae do usually auction souls, apparently, we just have no idea what they bid with.
Just an idle, and a bit off-topic question, but when are the guest comics going to be placed in the bonus comics archive?
on the queen of the fae having nothing to give, I ahve some speculation on that.
One thought is that there's something other than material currency involved with the auction of souls. Being queen may or may not have something to do with lacking whatever ephemeral currency is used. I don't really think this is the case.
My thought is that, as queen of the fae, Nutmeg would not have much wealth, the title either being honorary, or the position requiring that she either give up possessions, or that she not be allowed to aquire anything, or that anything that nutmeg has becoming propety of the 'state.'
I don't think the FAE have a king and queen in the same sence as we humans or the majority of furs would consider the title, but that that the term is the most appropriate word in the language to communicate the concept. The most appropriate, or the most vain, considering the nature of fae.
ooo the pointy hugs are upgrading. first you had the stone hug and now the steel hug =3
Next... Mab goes for a bat riddled with Barbed Wire...
E-C-W!
E-C-W!
E-C-W!
Quote from: King Of Hearts on May 30, 2007, 01:36:12 AM
Next... Mab goes for a bat riddled with Barbed Wire...
E-C-W!
E-C-W!
E-C-W!
No UFC? "Ultimate Fae Championship".
Quote from: Aridas Soulfire on May 30, 2007, 01:14:53 AM
I wonder what being the queen means where being a customer in the soul department stands... Other than the obvious, what could possibly be "offered" to get your hands on someone's soul?
Favors, Services, artwork, promises, debts, information, secrets, trivia, recipies, walt disneys frozen head, roles, titles, or perhapse glens and pocket demensions
Personaly I think what Nutmeg means hear is that her role as queen keeps her from offering anything. one reason could be because Mab was banished, Maybe as queen Nutmeg is not allowed to associate with unsavory sorts and a banished fea would certainly seem to qualify.
Or maybe Her role as queen would be seen to give her a unfair advanage in what sort of things sshe could offer in trade so Fae laws forbid the queen from engaging in the auction
Bob Dole likes Nutmeg! :P
Quote from: thegayhare on May 30, 2007, 01:52:49 AMOr maybe Her role as queen would be seen to give her a unfair advanage in what sort of things sshe could offer in trade so Fae laws forbid the queen from engaging in the auction
We know that you can bequeath your soul, but I would think that if the rules forbid auctioning souls to royalty, they would probably forbid gifting souls to royalty, since that would be even more prone to abuse than simply being in an auction.
Your other theories, however, are all right.
Quote from: stiletto on May 30, 2007, 12:57:44 AMI was informed by a college friend once that they would sometimes have issues crossing the boarder, but that if they lied and said they were going to this one strip club, the boarder people always let him through with no problem.
That trick actually works?
Quote from: Homer SimpsonHi, uh, let me have one of those porno magazines... large box of condoms... a bottle of Old Harper... a couple of those panty shields... andsomeillegalfireworks, and one of those disposable enemas. Eh, make it two.
:mowninja I see that Miss Mab is trying to get to the heart of the matter. Wish her luck ...
Not that hard, they are only shortspears. It's a low level spell, and spontaneous casters love pimping out the same trick over at over (go with what works, as it were). However, this is why it also proves futile, as their is no proper spell to make cold iron, being an anathema to magical creatures and magic itself to a degree.
But fae don't seem a very serious bunch, being the crazy lot they are, and thus they are probably just love stabs.
Ugh. Immediate 10d6 lightning bolt damage, no save.
It's 5d6 and a rather high level spell, dammit!
Yeah well I am level 10 and I say it's 10d6, so 10D6 LIGHTNING BOLT DAMAGE!!!! No save. Spell resistance is nullified. Energy immunity and resistance is nullified.
You know, the queen of the fae position might be a position of last resort in case something comes along that can rapidly "kill" a large quantity of the fae population. It would be the queens' and kings' jobs to "repopulate" the fae race and due to the possible importance of this role they have magics that keep them from dieing or being killed unless they can get another fae of the appropriate gender to fill in for them. Nutmeg might have tried to shove the burden on to Mab, but Mab refused and Nutmeg being a bit angry about that used some sort of power at her disposal to make Mab leave.
This is, of course, wild fan speculation and relies on the concept that fae have to be re-incarnated by fae (which may or may not be the case). Mock me at will if I'm wrong or I will be VERY dissappointed in you.
On the topic of queen doesn't have stuff: Everything has a value and therefore everything can be sold, you mearly have to find two things of like value. Ahh, barter economics, how I love thee.
Quote from: Valynth on May 30, 2007, 03:18:59 AM
:mowninja You know, the queen of the fae position might be a position of last resort in case something comes along that can rapidly "kill" a large quantity of the fae population. It would be the queens' and kings' jobs to "repopulate" the fae race and due to the possible importance of this role they have magics that keep them from dieing or being killed unless they can get another fae of the appropriate gender to fill in for them. Nutmeg might have tried to shove the burden on to Mab, but Mab refused and Nutmeg being a bit angry about that used some sort of power at her disposal to make Mab leave. This is, of course, wild fan speculation and relies on the concept that fae have to be re-incarnated by fae (which may or may not be the case). Mock me at will if I'm wrong or I will be VERY dissappointed in you. On the topic of queen doesn't have stuff: Everything has a value and therefore everything can be sold, you mearly have to find two things of like value. Ahh, barter economics, how I love thee.
:explosion :explosion :explosion :explosion :explosion :explosion :explosion :explosion :explosion :explosion :explosion : Seems that Nutmeg has finally admitting to copping out as being a Queen, and being a mother instead . Seems that she made a self answering comment. " what can lil ol me, Queen Nutmeg, offer you ? they want a kid. Mab wants revenge. Is Mab offered the the throne in exchange for a spirit ? ( selling your soul ? ) and if this happens, does Mab take the final revenge by exiling Nutmeg from the fae kingdom ? Revenge is sweet ... Of course, what is to stop Mab from ' saving ' the other essence till later, when she feels like having a kid too. No bidding hassle ...
No such thing as killing fae. They 'die' when they choose to and are reborn. Considering their nature, they don't even really need parents. So they can choose to mass suicide to just start it all over if they want!
As far as what Nutmeg has to offer, she is a Queen. Emotionally she might not be available. We don't know how busy the fae court might keep her, as much of a joke as the court might be. I don't think it is currency in any way. I think it is attention or something as intangible as that.
Quote from: Ralanost on May 30, 2007, 03:39:57 AM
Considering their nature, they don't even really need parents. So they can choose to mass suicide to just start it all over if they want!
Youuuuu don't know that.
Quote from: Aridas Soulfire on May 30, 2007, 03:43:26 AM
Quote from: Ralanost on May 30, 2007, 03:39:57 AM
Considering their nature, they don't even really need parents. So they can choose to mass suicide to just start it all over if they want!
Youuuuu don't know that.
Wasn't the dying part in Demon 101? I hypothesized a little past that, but it isn't a huge leap of logic.
Reese Tora put my theory forward, already: as the Fae Queen, Nutmeg is actually required to give up most of her material possessions, and is therefore materially poor, even by whatever standard of wealth Fae measure by. Makes the most sense to me, given the circumstances.
Quote from: Netami on May 30, 2007, 03:17:24 AM
Yeah well I am level 10 and I say it's 10d6, so 10D6 LIGHTNING BOLT DAMAGE!!!! No save. Spell resistance is nullified. Energy immunity and resistance is nullified.
That's Orb of Force *****bag!
Anyway, this is a conjuration spell we're seeing, not evocation.
:mowninja I was wondering, will Mab now spear Nutmeg with a bolt of lightning after this ?
Soo... how long before she makes use of her +2 voulge?
(maybe Mab is more into weaponary that one might think...)
There could also be other reasons why Albanion would be afraid to ask Mab. We've seen Mab angry twice before. One of those times, Mab's glen self-destructed. Also, we know that she came from a family with at least one ugly parental fight, and that her mind's a scary place... Basically, getting into Mab's bad books is a REALLY bad idea.
Quote from: Manawolf on May 30, 2007, 02:54:58 AM
Not that hard, they are only shortspears. It's a low level spell, and spontaneous casters love pimping out the same trick over at over (go with what works, as it were). However, this is why it also proves futile, as their is no proper spell to make cold iron, being an anathema to magical creatures and magic itself to a degree.
But fae don't seem a very serious bunch, being the crazy lot they are, and thus they are probably just love stabs.
Unfortunately, most universes put creation of matter at the difficult end of the spectrum. D&D (and RPGs in general) is the exception in that magic and abilities are ranked in diffuculty based on how useful thier effects are in a 'balanced' game setting. The creation of matter, using matter in our own world as an example, would take billions of joules of energy (e=mc^2, to trot out a familiar formula), and the creation of a few grams of matter would require the energy to power a couple large cities for a while. That puts the creation of matter at the high end of the magic skill spectrum.
I also believe that there are some examples somewhere in DMFA about created food and stuff, but I'm about to go to bed, so I don't have the time to find them just now. Probably they're somewhere in the stuff about SAIA with Falina, though.
Now, Mab, being fae, has power to burn (Witness the nuking of her glade as a reflex reaction to her antenna getting yanked.) so greation of matter, even short lived matter, is obviously well within her ability.
Isn't that a +3 Miniature Scythe Axe that Mab's about to stab with? Or have I got the perspective wrong. <_<;
Quote from: Reese Tora on May 30, 2007, 05:12:03 AM
Now, Mab, being fae, has power to burn (Witness the nuking of her glade as a reflex reaction to her antenna getting yanked.) so greation of matter, even short lived matter, is obviously well within her ability.
... Or the creation of Wildy's present, in front of Dan. That's creation of matter right there.
:mowninja With Wildy's present , didn't she make it more in the feeling of ' I don't mind, and you don't matter ' ...
Quote from: llearch n'n'daCorna on May 30, 2007, 06:05:38 AM
Quote from: Reese Tora on May 30, 2007, 05:12:03 AM
Now, Mab, being fae, has power to burn (Witness the nuking of her glade as a reflex reaction to her antenna getting yanked.) so greation of matter, even short lived matter, is obviously well within her ability.
... Or the creation of Wildy's present, in front of Dan. That's creation of matter right there.
:mowmeep :mowhappy
Quote from: Mwa on May 30, 2007, 05:19:00 AM
Isn't that a +3 Miniature Scythe Axe that Mab's about to stab with? Or have I got the perspective wrong. <_<;
:mowsmile At Birthdays and Christmas, wouldn't just be great to only have to go, ' Snootch to the Nootch !!! , and have all your present shopping chores done . ( re: #431 )
Edit:
Just adjusted your quotes, since you had your comments mixed into my quote...
-- llearch
Personally I'm inclined to think its less of "Poor Nutmeg has nothing to buy a soul for her baby with." and more of a "Nutmeg can't think of anything Mab needs/would accept from her to buy baby souls with." Or in more understandable terms Nutmeg has plenty of wealth as such things are measured but so does Mab and since Mab's angry at her she can't think of anything that she could use to convince Mab to give her a soul in exchange for. Think about it if you don't need/want material wealth, have plenty of power and are angry enough at someone to stab them repeatedly when you know it'll do you no good what would you accept in exchange for your parents soul/s when there's plenty of people you do like/are indifferent to who would also want them. I rather like Nutmeg though.
I think Nutmeg, with her speech. is actually Rickey Henderson. That is my theory, and I'm sticking with it.
"This is Rickey, calling on behalf of Rickey."
Quote from: llearch n'n'daCorna on May 30, 2007, 06:05:38 AM
... Or the creation of Wildy's present, in front of Dan. That's creation of matter right there.
Are you sure it wasn't teleportation?
Hm... eyes...
Does it look to anyone else like Nutmeg's fur pattern kind of makes her look like she's crying? Or like Mab has a lazy-eye thing going on?
Quote from: Aridas Soulfire on May 30, 2007, 06:40:21 AM
Quote from: llearch n'n'daCorna on May 30, 2007, 06:05:38 AM
... Or the creation of Wildy's present, in front of Dan. That's creation of matter right there.
Are you sure it wasn't teleportation?
Shush, you're ruining my ideas. ;-]
But I have to! Who else is going to even things out?
Nutmeg seems to be a bit loopy. I like that.
In regards to creating matter, as Reese mentions, you've got e=mc² to contend with for a direct energy-to-mass conversion. It's likely that the rule applies in Furrae too, if they are able to have similar science to ours. This doesn't mean that it couldn't be circumvented somehow through magic of course, but I digress. In any case, as he says, she can pour arbitrary amounts of power into the process.
Abel says he can create gold easily, but how he does that isn't clear. In the FC roleplay, I reasoned that it would be easiest for a less-powerful Creature to transmute existing matter rather than creating it directly. Indeed, for the FCRP I actually worked out the proton counts necessary to convert oxygen and nitrogen into gold... how many atoms of them you'd need to ensure that you got gold and no byproducts. But that's because I take my hard SF very seriously.
If you can have hard science fiction in a magical world >:3
Quote from: Psaakyrn on May 30, 2007, 05:05:12 AM
Soo... how long before she makes use of her +2 voulge?
"She totally doesn't have the class skill to use that." ;)
So... is Nutmeg speaking in the third person a fae version of
pluralis majestatis or is she just bonkers?
Quote from: Paul on May 30, 2007, 08:08:36 AM
So... is Nutmeg speaking in the third person a fae version of pluralis majestatis or is she just bonkers?
I vote bonkers. It's more fun.
Quote from: Paul on May 30, 2007, 08:08:36 AM
So... is Nutmeg speaking in the third person a fae version of pluralis majestatis or is she just bonkers?
Is there a difference?
Nutmeg's curious mode of speech has got me wondering what the exchange must have been like when she banished Mab.
"We hates it! We hates it forever!"
There is something evil asunder :shifty
I Find it funny how the sweetest and seemingly most innocent in all of DMFA can scare others to the point of waiting for 100 or so years for a second opportunity.
Also there is one thing you may want to think about. Mab is someone who does not have much in the way of possessions. Give her a glen (home), Pip and friends, and she's as happy as can be. Dan and Mab's adventuring takes away the boredom and keep her bubbly, which is why she 'coaxed' Jyrras into letting her come along on his hiking venture.
My only question is this. Is Mab like Dan and hides the weapons or is she materializing them so that she never runs out. If she is materializing them why does she not just use an all metallic spear or a solid diamond one and save a little concentration.
Though one thing comes to mind. Dan could have been a successful adventurer because he had Mab with him. Mab is more observant than Dan and she indicated she went with him on many adventurers quests.
Actually, Nutmeg speaking in the third person reminds me of Caesar, from the Shakespear play The Tragedy of Julius Caesar.
Fae must not "die" very often if Nutmeg is coming to Mab, with all the animosity between them.
heh, yeah your right!
She seems less royal, more cutesy dimwit. It is rather amusing that the two classes of people you'll find refering to themselves in third person are either royalty or retarded though. I wonder if that's a sign of some kind...
I hate people who talk in the third person, I think the one third person I want to destroy most is "the brad" Because "the brad" is a jackass, and I too would grab a sharp pointy object if "the brad" came anywhere near me.
My ex husband spoke in 3rd person. and what was worse was he didn't say Matt this Matt that he actually referred to himself as "bear" 'A'
My keen psychic sense tells me this may be part of why he's your EX husband.
Quote from: Kenji on May 30, 2007, 01:39:04 AM
Quote from: King Of Hearts on May 30, 2007, 01:36:12 AM
Next... Mab goes for a bat riddled with Barbed Wire...
E-C-W!
E-C-W!
E-C-W!
No UFC? "Ultimate Fae Championship".
Next..... Mab goes for the N64 *SMACK* right in the mush
E-C-W!
E-C-W!
E-C-W!
Anywho what's the deal with Nutmeg is she not the only one with a problem of not having a child if this is some kind of trap for Mabs, then I will wait for the results on this matter.
I have a suspicion that this plan is personal with Nutmeg and Mabs and we will see that in literal terms *CAT FIGHT* *MEWOTH.......* >:3
Quote from: kittenmoo on May 30, 2007, 11:37:33 AM
My ex husband spoke in 3rd person. and what was worse was he didn't say Matt this Matt that he actually referred to himself as "bear" 'A'
erk. Yay for borderline psychosis.
Oh, and welcome to the forums. Don't forget your novelty umbrella hat, and beware of anyone warning you to watch out for anyone warning you to watch out for people, they're probably allied with the people they're warning you to watch out for. And they're -ebil-.
its hard to believe that Mab seems the "sanest" in the convo between her and Nutmeg. Nutmeg's thrid person speak is probably just a quirky charateristic that sets her apart much in the way that Mab's oddities set her apart, for instance her knack for taking everything Literally. It is interesting that they have a fancination with Huggles and hugging things in general. It is also interesting how similar their personalities in general are when Mabby isnt the serious one.....me thinks and this is just a left field observation javascript:void(0);buck teeth that along time ago they were once close until Nutmeg became queen and in a rash desicion (because female fae's seem very rash--case in point Neni and Mab blowing up her glen) Nutmeg banished her friend out of anger and pride. Now she has to come crawling back and is going to prolly offer Mabby the Queenship (probably the cause of the fight....) that way she has something to offer in way of bartering for the soul. I take this perspective because I'm of the opinion that when Nutmeg became queen she gave up a lot of liberties and one of them might have been children....which would give her even more motivation to give the Queenship to Mab.
And I dunno I get the feeling that with the Creature Council and all, that being "queen of the fae" is more of a figure head position to maintain tradition than an actual position of power because Nutmeg is no genius and slightly A.D.D. to a point she can't even hold the disguise of her own husband. And in that case if my screwball predicition is even close Mab should have no problem being queen. :mowcookie
even if i'm waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay off hopefully i'll be proven wrong by another exciting twist in the plot just for the fun lil visual of the real amber doing the twist in a grass skirt cracks me up everytime. :eager
Quote from: Mwa on May 30, 2007, 05:19:00 AM
Isn't that a +3 Miniature Scythe Axe that Mab's about to stab with? Or have I got the perspective wrong. <_<;
Looks like a harpoon to me. Could Mab be subtly trying to suggest Nutmeg could do with losing a little weight...? (http://www.cosgan.de/images/smilie/frech/e020.gif)
Shampoo no understand why Nutmeg no speak in first person.
Quote from: SpottedKitty on May 30, 2007, 12:46:50 PM
Quote from: Mwa on May 30, 2007, 05:19:00 AM
Isn't that a +3 Miniature Scythe Axe that Mab's about to stab with? Or have I got the perspective wrong. <_<;
Looks like a harpoon to me. Could Mab be subtly trying to suggest Nutmeg could do with losing a little weight...? (http://www.cosgan.de/images/smilie/frech/e020.gif)
correct, it is an old fashioned harpoon but it is not a whaling harpoon.
excuse the weapons buff
whaling harpoons were hinged with a curving tip shaped like a banana- once it pierced the whales skin it would be pulled back, but the curve would pivot the tip horizontal to the whale. this is the only way to take down a whale really, sinse one harpoon has no chance of killing something like that the harpoon is tied to a long sturdy rope affixed to the longboat...and here comes the dangerous part- everyone holds on as the whale swims away and hopes the boat is not torn apart. several hours later the whale gets tired and the crew of the longboat rows close to it and takes a long lance, heaving together to puncture the lung which makes the blow hole spout a fountain of blood.
this makes me wonder if mabb has a reason to use a harpoon on nutmeg.... it would be kinda cool to tie it off to a boat and have nutmeg drag you around the lake or something.
QuoteFrom hell's heart I stab at thee; for hate's sake I spit my last breath at thee. Ye damned whale.
Quote from: Netami on May 30, 2007, 03:17:24 AM
Yeah well I am level 10 and I say it's 10d6, so 10D6 LIGHTNING BOLT DAMAGE!!!! No save. Spell resistance is nullified. Energy immunity and resistance is nullified.
okay, your nerd level is at an 11. We really need you at about a 1 please.
Quote from: Brunhidden da Muse on May 30, 2007, 01:57:47 PM
this makes me wonder if mabb has a reason to use a harpoon on nutmeg.... it would be kinda cool to tie it off to a boat and have nutmeg drag you around the lake or something.
Bwahahahahahaha!
You win the Internet, today, Brun. Scuse me whilst I go lie down, my sides hurt...
Quote from: je.saist on May 30, 2007, 02:08:31 PM
Quote from: Netami on May 30, 2007, 03:17:24 AM
Yeah well I am level 10 and I say it's 10d6, so 10D6 LIGHTNING BOLT DAMAGE!!!! No save. Spell resistance is nullified. Energy immunity and resistance is nullified.
okay, your nerd level is at an 11. We really need you at about a 1 please.
Heyheyhey, don't you be talking down to us nerds! We have Intelligance Scores of 20! What's yours? *Unforgotten Realms quote lol*
...Is that the +2 voulge? Nah. Too short.
Awesome comic.
Quote from: techmaster-glitch on May 30, 2007, 02:43:49 PM
Quote from: je.saist on May 30, 2007, 02:08:31 PM
Quote from: Netami on May 30, 2007, 03:17:24 AM
Yeah well I am level 10 and I say it's 10d6, so 10D6 LIGHTNING BOLT DAMAGE!!!! No save. Spell resistance is nullified. Energy immunity and resistance is nullified.
okay, your nerd level is at an 11. We really need you at about a 1 please.
Heyheyhey, don't you be talking down to us nerds! We have Intelligance Scores of 20! What's yours? *Unforgotten Realms quote lol*
INT 16, CHA 8, that's the average for most nerds.
charisma that high?
Man. I thought charisma was the dump stat... ;-]
Actually, it looks like a swiveling head harpoon (as opposed to a voluge). When the harpoon goes in, the blade swivels back so that it goes in more easily. Once embedded, the head swings back around to the position shown so that it is harder to pull out. However, that really doesn't work if you keep putting the blade completely through the body. Her previous attack was with a more conventional spear-head. If she's recapitulating the history of harpoons, I would expect the next one to be an explosive spear-head.
I believe that it is safe to say that Mab is angry. I can understand Albanion not wanting to talk to her.
(Further note based on looking back over the comments.)
I believe that this type of harpoon was often fired from a gun and attached to a set of floats with a rope. I took a further look at the internet and believe that this type of swiveling head was known as a toggle iron.
Quote from: Brunhidden da Muse on May 30, 2007, 01:57:47 PM
QuoteFrom hell's heart I stab at thee; for hate's sake I spit my last breath at thee. Ye damned whale.
I know Bill Shatner was a bit too podgy at the time for those snug Starfleet uniforms (although it could have been worse, it could have been the pajamas...). That last line, though — obviously cut from the final take — is still a terrible thing to say about a starship captain. Unless he's just blown up your own ship. Oh, wait... (http://www.cosgan.de/images/smilie/konfus/g070.gif)
(Sorry, I saw a straight line. Had to be done.)
Oh come on, the reason Nutmeg speaks in the third person is obvious -
it's because, apparently much of the time, SHE IS A THIRD PERSON.
I dunno why but the whole 'you always stab Nutmeg multiple times when we talk' line keeps making me picture Nutmeg in that scene from Hellsing when the regenerator guy from the church shows up and sticks Alucard with a dozen or so of those knife things at once.
Well lets look at it. Nutmeg is a fae, and a queen, which correct me if I'm wrong entitles that she is extremely well off, and she hails from the fae kingdom/dimension which is probably similiar to Mab's pocket dimension except multiplied to a hundred thousand or so. How could she not be eccentric coming from a background like that? :P
It's a good thing Mab's being thorough. ;)
Quote from: Netrogo on May 30, 2007, 05:09:31 PM
I dunno why but the whole 'you always stab Nutmeg multiple times when we talk' line keeps making me picture Nutmeg in that scene from Hellsing when the regenerator guy from the church shows up and sticks Alucard with a dozen or so of those knife things at once.
Hee hee... in Anime Insider, they showed that picture with the caption "Knife salesman's demonstration goes horribly awry." It made me giggle for several hours, much like the fight did in the first place. >:3
Quote from: Reese Tora on May 30, 2007, 05:12:03 AM
Unfortunately, most universes put creation of matter at the difficult end of the spectrum. D&D (and RPGs in general) is the exception in that magic and abilities are ranked in diffuculty based on how useful thier effects are in a 'balanced' game setting. The creation of matter, using matter in our own world as an example, would take billions of joules of energy (e=mc^2, to trot out a familiar formula), and the creation of a few grams of matter would require the energy to power a couple large cities for a while. That puts the creation of matter at the high end of the magic skill spectrum.
Magic doesn't obey the laws of physics. If it did, it would be physics. Most RPGs make creation of matter utterly trivial, limiting it based on weight, permanence, or (in GURPS) dollar value for balance, yes. But even normal fantasy universes usually have things appearing out of nowhere all over the place -- horns of plenty spewing out food, magic hedges growing suddenly to engulf a castle, genies waving their hands to make whole castles appear to grant a wish, it goes on and on.
In Amber (which was a series of books before it was an RPG) 'created' matter was really summoned from one of an infinite number of alternate universes, but still, waving your hand to make something appear was not hard.
And in DMFA, creating matter is easy... but creating *intricate* matter, like woven cloth, is hard. Abel gave a little speech about it.
Obviously the reason for Mab's and Nutmeg's falling out is that when they were both only 600 years old, Mab and Nutmeg started to bake cupcakes. Nutmeg wanted chocolate sprinkles, Mab wanted rainbow sprinkles.
Things... escalated... from there.
Quote from: terrycloth on May 30, 2007, 08:04:55 PM
Quote from: Reese Tora on May 30, 2007, 05:12:03 AM
Unfortunately, most universes put creation of matter at the difficult end of the spectrum. D&D (and RPGs in general) is the exception in that magic and abilities are ranked in diffuculty based on how useful thier effects are in a 'balanced' game setting. The creation of matter, using matter in our own world as an example, would take billions of joules of energy (e=mc^2, to trot out a familiar formula), and the creation of a few grams of matter would require the energy to power a couple large cities for a while. That puts the creation of matter at the high end of the magic skill spectrum.
Magic doesn't obey the laws of physics. If it did, it would be physics. Most RPGs make creation of matter utterly trivial, limiting it based on weight, permanence, or (in GURPS) dollar value for balance, yes. But even normal fantasy universes usually have things appearing out of nowhere all over the place -- horns of plenty spewing out food, magic hedges growing suddenly to engulf a castle, genies waving their hands to make whole castles appear to grant a wish, it goes on and on.
In Amber (which was a series of books before it was an RPG) 'created' matter was really summoned from one of an infinite number of alternate universes, but still, waving your hand to make something appear was not hard.
And in DMFA, creating matter is easy... but creating *intricate* matter, like woven cloth, is hard. Abel gave a little speech about it.
Precicely. If magic could be completely explained, then it wouldn't be magic any more.
Quote from: Gildedtongue on May 30, 2007, 08:39:16 PM
Obviously the reason for Mab's and Nutmeg's falling out is that when they were both only 600 years old, Mab and Nutmeg started to bake cupcakes. Nutmeg wanted chocolate sprinkles, Mab wanted rainbow sprinkles.
Things... escalated... from there.
Heheh, interesting theory. I wouldn't be surprised if it were true, either... :)
Quote from: Aridas Soulfire on May 30, 2007, 01:14:53 AM
I wonder what being the queen means where being a customer in the soul department stands... Other than the obvious, what could possibly be "offered" to get your hands on someone's soul?
Oh, well, I'm not a greedy man; how about a million dollars?
(Hug goes to the first person to get the reference.)
http://www.blackfootferret.name/MasterLinkFiles/MLNewgrounds/MasterLinkNewgrounds1.html
had the following joke. I don't know if this is the one that you are thinking of.
GOD'S MESSAGE - You think it's going to be something profound.. then
turns out to be a sketch comedy. Guy in a park talks to God "So to you,
a millions years, is like an hour?" "It is as a second, my Son." "And to
you, a million dollars, would be, what, a grand?" "It is as a cent my
Son." "So God.. how about a million dollars, eh? :)" "Certainly my
Son... just a second." Guy blinks, then gets it "Eh..he.." and dohs.
Good luck waiting a million years.
http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/225635
Quote from: Naldru on May 30, 2007, 11:29:16 PMhad the following joke. I don't know if this is the one that you are thinking of.
No, it was virtually a verbatim quote. I don't remember from where, though. Might have been the Far Side. Calvin once wishes for a ``cool million,'' but that's definitely not it.
Who DOESN'T wish for a million dollars?
Quote from: Netrogo on May 31, 2007, 12:02:08 AM
Who DOESN'T wish for a million dollars?
people who understand that if you are going to wish for one million dollars you may as well wish for ten million, complete with your own private island to house a scrooge macduck style vault to hold it in.
Quote from: SpottedKitty on May 30, 2007, 04:55:52 PM
Quote from: Brunhidden da Muse on May 30, 2007, 01:57:47 PM
QuoteFrom hell's heart I stab at thee; for hate's sake I spit my last breath at thee. Ye damned whale.
I know Bill Shatner was a bit too podgy at the time for those snug Starfleet uniforms (although it could have been worse, it could have been the pajamas...). That last line, though — obviously cut from the final take — is still a terrible thing to say about a starship captain. Unless he's just blown up your own ship. Oh, wait... (http://www.cosgan.de/images/smilie/konfus/g070.gif)
(Sorry, I saw a straight line. Had to be done.)
apperantly you forgo the classics, i have yet to read any science fiction book that begins with "call me Ishmael". kudos on confusing me with space pajamas though, thats a new one on me.
QuoteBlacksmith, I set ye a task. Take these harpoons and lances. Melt them down. Forge me new weapons that will strike deep and hold fast. But do not douse them in water; they must have a proper baptism. What say ye, all ye men? Will you give as much blood as shall be needed to temper the steel?
I'll agree with that, namely cuz I've always wanted my own Scrooge style vault. Found one on SL a couple weeks back though :mowhappy
Oh Lawdy, the third person speech. :U
:mowmeep Is this where you get 'soul' food ? :mowmeep
::Whaps Kaskar for horrible joke::
Don't make me get the spear. It's the long one too.
Quote from: Manawolf on May 31, 2007, 04:54:29 AM
::Whaps Kaskar for horrible joke::
Don't make me get the spear. It's the long one too.
:giggle
Quote from: Janus Whitefurr on May 31, 2007, 05:11:31 AM
Quote from: Manawolf on May 31, 2007, 04:54:29 AM
::Whaps Kaskar for horrible joke::
Don't make me get the spear. It's the long one too.
:giggle
I see what you did there.
Well at least someone got that joke. I'm affluent in puns, I make them up without even realizing it till I've posted, though it happens more often over IM.
Quote from: Manawolf on May 31, 2007, 05:13:13 AM
Well at least someone got that joke. I'm affluent in puns, I make them up without even realizing it till I've posted, though it happens more often over IM.
I'm sure we could sell tickets to your 'spearing' of Kaskar. It would be entertaining for many.
Quote from: terrycloth on May 30, 2007, 08:04:55 PM
Quote from: Reese Tora on May 30, 2007, 05:12:03 AM
Unfortunately, most universes put creation of matter at the difficult end of the spectrum. D&D (and RPGs in general) is the exception in that magic and abilities are ranked in diffuculty based on how useful thier effects are in a 'balanced' game setting. The creation of matter, using matter in our own world as an example, would take billions of joules of energy (e=mc^2, to trot out a familiar formula), and the creation of a few grams of matter would require the energy to power a couple large cities for a while. That puts the creation of matter at the high end of the magic skill spectrum.
Magic doesn't obey the laws of physics. If it did, it would be physics. Most RPGs make creation of matter utterly trivial, limiting it based on weight, permanence, or (in GURPS) dollar value for balance, yes. But even normal fantasy universes usually have things appearing out of nowhere all over the place -- horns of plenty spewing out food, magic hedges growing suddenly to engulf a castle, genies waving their hands to make whole castles appear to grant a wish, it goes on and on.
In Amber (which was a series of books before it was an RPG) 'created' matter was really summoned from one of an infinite number of alternate universes, but still, waving your hand to make something appear was not hard.
And in DMFA, creating matter is easy... but creating *intricate* matter, like woven cloth, is hard. Abel gave a little speech about it.
I didn't mean the E=MC^2 it as the exact rule, but as a parallel idea that I'd recalled being mentioned somewhere in DMFA. In any case, I believe that Abel's speech was concerning the ability of 'cubi to shapeshift clothing and such onto themselves rather than create matter from nothing.
Unlike a lot of fantasy universes, DMFA's setting appears to have a strong science presence that is capable of integrating with magic(Jy's patches), so It could be assumed that there are enough strong parallels to make certain areas of science equivalent to magic, though invoked via a different process.
Quote from: Arthur C ClarkeAny sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.
Quote from: Larry NivenAny sufficiently advanced magic is indistinguishable from technology.
Quote from: Brunhidden da Muse on May 31, 2007, 12:23:26 AM
apperantly you forgo the classics, i have yet to read any science fiction book that begins with "call me Ishmael". kudos on confusing me with space pajamas though, thats a new one on me.
"The Weapon Shops of Isher" ?
With a little bit of monkey magic, there'll be fireworks tonight. With a little bit of monkey magic, everything will be all right
Quote from: Reese Tora on May 31, 2007, 05:33:37 AM
I didn't mean the E=MC^2 it as the exact rule, but as a parallel idea that I'd recalled being mentioned somewhere in DMFA. In any case, I believe that Abel's speech was concerning the ability of 'cubi to shapeshift clothing and such onto themselves rather than create matter from nothing.
I still say transmutation is the way to go.
QuoteUnlike a lot of fantasy universes, DMFA's setting appears to have a strong science presence that is capable of integrating with magic(Jy's patches), so It could be assumed that there are enough strong parallels to make certain areas of science equivalent to magic, though invoked via a different process.
Like I said, it's a pretty good bet that the physics are similar, otherwise they wouldn't have electronics. In
Perdido Street Station magic is the product of subatomic particles which they refer to as thaumaturgions, and they use this alongside regular physics depending on which is most suitable for the job. Whether Amber's world-design goes down to that level I have no idea - it's something I'd have glossed over myself unless I needed to write something that used the underlying mechanism as a plot point.
And once more, e=mc² in DMFA is probably relatively easy to work around if you're using magic. Either that, or they're using a much larger external energy source and can afford the losses.
8)
Quote from: Tapewolf on May 31, 2007, 07:16:05 AM
Quote from: Reese Tora on May 31, 2007, 05:33:37 AM
I didn't mean the E=MC^2 it as the exact rule, but as a parallel idea that I'd recalled being mentioned somewhere in DMFA. In any case, I believe that Abel's speech was concerning the ability of 'cubi to shapeshift clothing and such onto themselves rather than create matter from nothing.
I still say transmutation is the way to go. ) :rolleyes QuoteUnlike a lot of fantasy universes, DMFA's setting appears to have a strong science presence that is capable of integrating with magic(Jy's patches), so It could be assumed that there are enough strong parallels to make certain areas of science equivalent to magic, though invoked via a different process.
Like I said, it's a pretty good bet that the physics are similar, otherwise they wouldn't have electronics. In Perdido Street Station magic is the product of subatomic particles which they refer to as thaumaturgions, and they use this alongside regular physics depending on which is most suitable for the job. Whether Amber's world-design goes down to that level I have no idea - it's something I'd have glossed over myself unless I needed to write something that used the underlying mechanism as a plot point.And once more, e=mc² in DMFA is probably relatively easy to work around if you're using magic. Either that, or they're using a much larger external energy source and can afford the losses.
:mowmeep In this parallel universe, magic needs vast powers. Therefore , the equation may not be E=MC^2 but E=MC^3 or higher ...
Quote from: kaskar on May 31, 2007, 07:38:10 AM
:mowmeep In this parallel universe, magic needs vast powers. Therefore , the equation may not be E=MC^2 but E=MC^3 or higher ... 8)
Er. That would increase the energy requirement (and therefore the difficulty of obtaining said energy) immensely. c² is very large - you're talking 299792458 m/s for c, so c² is 8,987,551,783,681,764, give or take a bit. That's a -big- factor. One gram of mass, times that, gives you a whopping big chunk of energy, in units of kg*m²/s², or Joules.
Just to put that in perspective, a Kilowatt-hour (kWh) is 3,600,000 Joules. That's enough power to power a 1000 watt lightbulb for an hour, or a 100 watt lightbulb for ten hours.
1 gram of mass, to be created, by this formula, requires 24,965,421 kWhs of energy. Plus change. To put that another way, Chernobyl put out about 4GW of power (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chernobyl_disaster#The_nuclear_power_plant). So you'd need the -entire- output of all four reactors at Chernobyl (only one of which melted down) for more than 6 hours. The largest reactor in the US, at Palo Verde in Arizona, runs at about 3.875GW. ref (http://www.nei.org/index.asp?catnum=2&catid=342) - you'd need about 6 and a half hours there.
This is for -one- gram. If you wanted a kilogram, you'd need 650 hours, or 4 -weeks-. Or you could take the entire output of the -entire- US nuclear power plant (all 103 or so of them), assuming you could get it into one place, for most of an hour. That is, according to the NEI website, something like 19% of the US power generation capacity. Or you could take the -entire- output of the US power generation net for maybe 5 minutes.
That is an incredible amount of power.
e=mc², remember. And you want to make it -worse- ??
Is EVERYONE an astrophysisist these days? Is THIS why I should have paid attention in math class? I got a headache, go sleepy now *passes out*
I should mention, there's no accounting for loss in transmission, or loss in generation of the mass, or anything like that. And at these numbers, that's a -big- factor...
you also have to account for the very small binding mass which is used to hold atoms together. A Helium nucleus is slightly lighter than the four protons and two neutrons that it contains, because some of the mass of the particles gets converted into a binding energy that keeps the nucleus from splattering itself into Hydrogen atoms.(Electrons may be assumed as freebies, since they're stripped off and added onto atoms constantly in everyday life.)
I believe Amber's magic is just magic. She earlier mentioned that some things in the DMFA universe are concessions to "I know this shouldn't technically work, but in this case, it does," and that sometimes, magic was one of those. She doesn't like doing it, but she will when the plot requires it.
Remember, the most powerful force in the universe, even greater than love, war, or E=MC^2, is the power of Plot Device.
The ever popular 'Cuz I said so' XD
Regarding the quote "I'm not greedy. How about a million dolllars.", I may have it.
Was it Dr. Evil in Austin Powers, International Man of Mystery when he was discussing how high to set his blackmail demand. The other people in the room then explained that, due to inflation, a million dollars didn't go very far. They then decided to change million to billion.
However, I don't know if it was an American billion (9 zeroes) or a European billion (12 zeroes)
Those crazy Europeans have twelve zeroes in their billion? Wtf?
Quote from: Netrogo on May 31, 2007, 11:19:40 AM
Those crazy Europeans have twelve zeroes in their billion? Wtf?
It was the UK standard when I was a kid. I don't know who messed with it or why, but in the UK at least everyone uses the US standard now.
And no, we're not astrophysicists (or at least I'm not) but I did do physics at A-level because I had a burning desire to learn about subatomic particles. However, I would suspect that pretty much all the people involved in the mass-energy discussion are hard-SF fans who've read Niven, Hogan and that sort of thing...
I do physics at a level too. F is a level right?
Quote from: Netrogo on May 31, 2007, 11:44:08 AM
I do physics at a level too. F is a level right?
It means 'Advanced Levels'.
In the UK, you can't go straight from school to university, there is an intermediate step which is usually called 'college', a word I avoided because it seems to mean 'university' in the US.
School usually runs up until you're 16. If you get decent grades at that stage (which are known as GCSE) you can go on to college, which lasts two years and if you get decent grades at that (A-levels in my case, although there are others now) you can go on to university and get a degree.
In theory anything after school is optional. In practice you generally have to go further if you want a decent job.
And I think we are now officially off-topic >:3
Officially yes. However we're not nearly far enough off topic yet. I'm pretty sure we need to get into something involving ninjas before we're successfully far enough off :mowninja
Geeze, I leave you guys alone for just a little bit, and this topic goes from bad innuendo to pseudo-science like -that-! :nono
And we're just getting started :mwaha
Quote from: Brunhidden da Muse on May 31, 2007, 12:23:26 AM
apperantly you forgo the classics, i have yet to read any science fiction book that begins with "call me Ishmael". kudos on confusing me with space pajamas though, thats a new one on me.
I was riffing off the source of Khan's little speech, the original
Moby Dick. And the "pajamas" are, of course, the Starfleet uniforms in
ST:TMP. Whoever designed them must have been hitting the Romulan ale a bit too much... ;)
Ahem.
Technology != Science.
Physics != Science.
Science is a process though which the world is understood. If magic is part of the world, magic will be scientifically studied.
Yeah, but science used to be:
"This bacteria is smaller than a man and has no city, therefore it is less successful as a species. Now, to find the wizard who cursed our land and people into sickness."
I dunno what brought that on, but I wonder if magic would fall into a science category. Since, in fine detail, there are lots of variables, constants, and so on.
So long as magic follows rules then it can be considered a science.
It really depends on what kind of fantasy setting you are in. Examples:
-In Arcanum: Of Steamworks and Magic Obscura, it is a game where an industrial revolution has occured in a world of magic. Now the world has been divided with the Technologists and the Mages battling for power. In that setting, science and magic are precicely two competely different and incompatible things, if play as a technologist, you get massive penalties if you try to mage, and vice versa.
-On the flip side, in the book series Artemis Fowl, magic is a cosmic force that can be explained in scientific terms, and follows its own scientific physics laws, which very closely interact with the laws of physics already in place, but it is still refered to as "magic"
DMFA, like most fictional settings that have magic and technology coexisting, seems to be giving the impression of something in between. Magic is partially explainable, as any Being who tries to use magic has to actually learn it, wheras the Creatures have instinctive control over it. And as Jyrras has demonstrated, magic and science can be made to work in unison with each other, but I think that the magic is still magic. It does NOT follow any established laws of physics at all, but it does have its own set of rules that govern its use, which is how Jyrras was able to manipulate it (with the help of Mab, of course).
My point is, I personnaly really don't think that E=MC2 has any relevance whatsoever in regards to magic.
Ultimately, it does not matter how YOU define magic, but how the SETTING that the magic is in defines it that really matters.
Oh, and on a completely different note, I bet that fae bid on souls by offering to take on more and more responsibility for the fairy race. As queen, Nutmeg has already gone as deeply into debt as it's possible for a fairy to go, and has nothing more to offer. :)
Quote from: Netrogo on May 31, 2007, 11:19:40 AM
Those crazy Europeans have twelve zeroes in their billion? Wtf?
See http://www.askoxford.com/asktheexperts/faq/aboutwords/billion?view=uk
I believe that the NATO standard says not to use the word billion because of the confusion.
***** *****
Another source of confusion for some is that the French use spaces in large numbers where the British and Americans use commas and commas where we put the decimal point. That's the reason for some of the strange numeric formats in Microsoft Excel and other packages. Many stores in Quebec use the French standard.
Many years ago, I was visiting Quebec with my wife and daughter. My daughter saw 2,00 as the price of a cheeseburger and thought that it was two thousand dollars. She was afraid that we were going to starve to death because we couldn't afford the food. (She was much younger then.)
Wow, I wonder where Mab's pulling all these weapons from. After all, that is not the same spear she stabbed Nutmeg with last time we saw one poking through her chest. I wonder how long it will take for Mab to get all of her anger out and let it go?
Quote from: Tapewolf on May 31, 2007, 11:38:05 AM
Quote from: Netrogo on May 31, 2007, 11:19:40 AM
Those crazy Europeans have twelve zeroes in their billion? Wtf?
It was the UK standard when I was a kid. I don't know who messed with it or why, but in the UK at least everyone uses the US standard now.
And no, we're not astrophysicists (or at least I'm not) but I did do physics at A-level because I had a burning desire to learn about subatomic particles. However, I would suspect that pretty much all the people involved in the mass-energy discussion are hard-SF fans who've read Niven, Hogan and that sort of thing...
:erk
So what unit did you use between the billion-million mark?
Quote from: Aleolus on May 31, 2007, 04:44:08 PM
Wow, I wonder where Mab's pulling all these weapons from. After all, that is not the same spear she stabbed Nutmeg with last time we saw one poking through her chest. I wonder how long it will take for Mab to get all of her anger out and let it go?
About the same time, the people of Georgia in the USA forgive General Tecumsah Sherman for his march during the civil war from Atlanta to the sea.
As for how long Mab can keep getting weapons, she doesn't have much trouble getting hold of things.
http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_431.php
Quote from: Valynth on May 31, 2007, 05:03:54 PM
So what unit did you use between the billion-million mark?
We just called it a thousand million, I think. I can't really remember.
Quote from: Aleolus on May 31, 2007, 04:44:08 PM
Wow, I wonder where Mab's pulling all these weapons from. After all, that is not the same spear she stabbed Nutmeg with last time we saw one poking through her chest....
Allow me to introduce you to a concept first developed in the 1940's by Robert Clampett and Tex Avery to explain the sudden appearance of weapons in the animation of that time. Whenever a character like Bugs Bunny or Screwy Squirrel needed a weapon, they could just reach behind themselves and one would appear from "hammerspace".
It is worth noting that hammerspace and hammertime are not related. Hammertime appeared sometime in the 1980's and involves dancing and parachute pants.
Quote from: Tapewolf on May 31, 2007, 05:51:12 PM
Quote from: Valynth on May 31, 2007, 05:03:54 PM
So what unit did you use between the billion-million mark?
We just called it a thousand million, I think. I can't really remember.
I've heard 'millard'. That's what Heinlein used; I thought it was supposed to be a weird affectation from an alternate universe, and maybe it was, but it might be the old british unit thing.
I suddenly have this mental image of Nutmeg and Mab wearing parachute pants and dancing poorly.
On a side note, *ahem* WHOOOO broke 100 posts!
Just a friendly reminder, with all the newbies.
I seem to remember Amber saying at some point that if you all try to scientifically explain the DMFA-verse and apply real life physics, she would get very angry. Possibly do something mean, such as let Darkmoon update for a few weeks.
Please, think of the other fans. No one wants that.
Darkmoon.... few weeks.... update? AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHH *runs and hides*
For the various alternatives for 9 zeroes, 12 zeroes, 15 zeroes, etc., ask the experts at the Oxford English Dictionary
Quote from: Naldru on May 31, 2007, 04:13:26 PM
See http://www.askoxford.com/asktheexperts/faq/aboutwords/billion?view=uk
This article mentions milliard as ten to the ninth power, billiard as ten to the fifteenth power, trilliard as ten to the twenty first power, etc. However, it also says this didn't catch on.
*Runs up and pokes Damaris' corpse with a stick*
See what happens when you don't preview?
A telemarketer called with a survey while I was working on the post. I guess I was trying too much multitasking.
Quote from: Rafe on May 31, 2007, 06:06:25 PM
Quote from: Aleolus on May 31, 2007, 04:44:08 PM
Wow, I wonder where Mab's pulling all these weapons from. After all, that is not the same spear she stabbed Nutmeg with last time we saw one poking through her chest....
Allow me to introduce you to a concept first developed in the 1940's by Robert Clampett and Tex Avery to explain the sudden appearance of weapons in the animation of that time. Whenever a character like Bugs Bunny or Screwy Squirrel needed a weapon, they could just reach behind themselves and one would appear from "hammerspace".
It is worth noting that hammerspace and hammertime are not related. Hammertime appeared sometime in the 1980's and involves dancing and parachute pants.
Okay Amber seem to grant any Female character's this "Hammerspace", Mainly Alexsi, also Wildy with her axes and now Mab with her pikes and things. But Kria seems not to know of this "hammerspace", or she overloaded it to have so many weapons sticking out during her lunch with her daughter.
Does Dan know of this "hammerspace"?
PBH
Quote from: Naldru on May 31, 2007, 09:41:46 PMThis article mentions milliard as ten to the ninth power, billiard as ten to the fifteenth power, trilliard as ten to the twenty first power, etc. However, it also says this didn't catch on.
I always thought that it would be cool to use -ard as a suffix for multidimensional units. So, for example, there are a million square meters in a square kilometer, but there would be a thousand square meters in a square killiard meter.
But more on-topic:
Quote from: Prof B Hunnydew on May 31, 2007, 10:04:24 PMDoes Dan know of this "hammerspace"?
Dan has been attacked by things from hammerspace, but we don't know if he knows of its existence, yet.
Quote from: BillBuckner on May 31, 2007, 09:48:38 PM
See what happens when you don't preview?
Hey, my post was correct for forty-three seconds.
Quote from: Naldru on May 31, 2007, 05:18:17 PM
About the same time, the people of Georgia in the USA forgive General Tecumsah Sherman for his march during the civil war from Atlanta to the sea.
I actually knew a Georgian who said that since Sherman brought an end to the war, she didn't really care that her hometown of Atlanta was one of the cities that he ended up demolishing.
:rolleyes The uses of 'grey' holes in real space :rolleyes This can be a 'grey' area in logic and physics. with many parts of physics, this cannot be really defined. As things lost in black holes, ladies handbags, and what you term 'hammerspace', objects. These objects can even be reclaimed by us mere mortals, with a bit of 'luck' . ( ever ) 'found' a 'lost' dohicky that you put in a 'safe' place ? This is a demonstration of a grey hole ...
:rolleyes Gratitious Magical Energy Theory ( Who really cares anyway ? ) :rolleyes Magic could be considered the art of mental matter and time control ... If the rate of decay of a small piece of matter can make quite a puff of energy. If the energy of the rate of decay ( which the magic would hasten ), was harnessed, Plus the energy given from the discharge of a proton and electron to form a neutron, was hastened AND controlled properly, only a minute amount of matter would be needed.
:mowhappy However, I don't really care much on how the world is supposed to work in it's theory, just as long as the power, heating, and other things work. Otherwise, does it really matter what happens ?
:mowmeep Or in many eye's, I don't mind. and it don't matter .... :mowmeep
As I understand it, Sherman's actions were actually in accordance with the rules of war at that time and the current time. It amounted to establishing a ** cordon sanitaire ** in response to attacks on his supply lines and troops. In other words, if you were being attacked by the enemy, you had the right to clear everything along your path of travel far enough to stop your troops from being ambushed. In addition, his actions in Atlanta did have a military purpose in disrupting lines of communications in the South. (There was a joke that whether you were going to heaven or hell, you had to change planes in Atlanta. In those days, the only difference in the concept was that you changed trains in Atlanta.) However, even if there are individuals that understand the necessities of war, his actions are unlikely to gain general acceptance in the state of Georgia.
Years after the war, Sherman made a speech that has often been misquoted as ** War is Hell **. What he actually said was that people in the beginning of a conflict tend to believe that war will be quick and that there will be glory for the participants. He went on to say that the reality of war is that it will be hell, it will never be anything but hell, and there is no way to change the situation. Sometimes, I feel that politicians of all nations should be forced to memorize Sherman's words.
Take it from me, and I live in the south, I approve of what Sherman did, 'cause frankly the south deserved to lose based on the fact that they supported slavery.
Also, the reason Georgians would hold a grudge is that they believe that Sherman burned Atlanta to the ground and he did not. He only burned about 30% of the town, a majority of which was either going to be used by the confederate army or was caused by the chaos resulting from the rapid destruction of the munitions. Only a minority of the damage to Atlanta was caused by troops assualting civilian structures, and lets face it, Sherman can't controll his boys all the time. Hell, the Confederacy would have done a lot worse to union towns if they could have marched through the north like Sherman marched through the south.
Quote from: kaskar on May 31, 2007, 11:51:03 PM
:rolleyes Gratitious Magical Energy Theory ( Who really cares anyway ? ) :rolleyes Magic could be considered the art of mental matter and time control ... If the rate of decay of a small piece of matter can make quite a puff of energy. If the energy of the rate of decay ( which the magic would hasten ), was harnessed, Plus the energy given from the discharge of a proton and electron to form a neutron, was hastened AND controlled properly, only a minute amount of matter would be needed.
:mowhappy However, I don't really care much on how the world is supposed to work in it's theory, just as long as the power, heating, and other things work. Otherwise, does it really matter what happens ?
:mowmeep Or in many eye's, I don't mind. and it don't matter .... :mowmeep
Quote from: techmaster-glitch on May 31, 2007, 02:43:34 PM
...My point is, I personnaly really don't think that E=MC2 has any relevance whatsoever in regards to magic.
Ultimately, it does not matter how YOU define magic, but how the SETTING that the magic is in defines it that really matters.
Quote from: Damaris on May 31, 2007, 08:42:47 PM
Just a friendly reminder, with all the newbies.
I seem to remember Amber saying at some point that if you all try to scientifically explain the DMFA-verse and apply real life physics, she would get very angry. Possibly do something mean, such as let Darkmoon update for a few weeks.
Please, think of the other fans. No one wants that.
What Damaris said.
Quote from: Damaris on May 31, 2007, 08:42:47 PM
Just a friendly reminder, with all the newbies.
I seem to remember Amber saying at some point that if you all try to scientifically explain the DMFA-verse and apply real life physics, she would get very angry. Possibly do something mean, such as let Darkmoon update for a few weeks.
Please, think of the other fans. No one wants that.
I do. :-]
Quote from: Valynth on June 01, 2007, 12:33:38 AM
Hell, the Confederacy would have done a lot worse to union towns if they could have marched through the north like Sherman marched through the south.
They *did* do about the same thing to Ohio as Sherman did to Georgia, when they marched through it. Just, Ohio wasn't important enough for anyone to care except for people writing 'Ohio history' textbooks.
Quote from: Madmann135 on May 30, 2007, 10:31:02 AM
Also there is one thing you may want to think about. Mab is someone who does not have much in the way of possessions. Give her a glen (home), Pip and friends, and she's as happy as can be.
Well, she does like 80s merchandise. The idea of procuring She-Ra dolls had her almost ecstatic.
Quote from: Prof B Hunnydew on May 31, 2007, 10:04:24 PM
Quote from: Rafe on May 31, 2007, 06:06:25 PM
Quote from: Aleolus on May 31, 2007, 04:44:08 PM
Wow, I wonder where Mab's pulling all these weapons from. After all, that is not the same spear she stabbed Nutmeg with last time we saw one poking through her chest....
Allow me to introduce you to a concept first developed in the 1940's by Robert Clampett and Tex Avery to explain the sudden appearance of weapons in the animation of that time. Whenever a character like Bugs Bunny or Screwy Squirrel needed a weapon, they could just reach behind themselves and one would appear from "hammerspace".
It is worth noting that hammerspace and hammertime are not related. Hammertime appeared sometime in the 1980's and involves dancing and parachute pants.
Okay Amber seem to grant any Female character's this "Hammerspace", Mainly Alexsi, also Wildy with her axes and now Mab with her pikes and things. But Kria seems not to know of this "hammerspace", or she overloaded it to have so many weapons sticking out during her lunch with her daughter.
Does Dan know of this "hammerspace"?
PBH
Probably not. If you notice in today's anime, especially comedic anime, that form of extra-dimentional space is only accessible by females. Most of the time it's only there when some guy is making inappropriate advances towards her, or makes a vulgar comment about her, though.
the soulstealer women seem to use 'hammerspace' as a way to eat their own body weight without exploding pants.
exploding pants- fun, dangerous, and embarrasing
QuoteShow me a sane man and I will cure him for you.
Quote from: llearch n'n'daCorna on June 01, 2007, 04:51:18 AM
Quote from: Damaris on May 31, 2007, 08:42:47 PM
Just a friendly reminder, with all the newbies.
I seem to remember Amber saying at some point that if you all try to scientifically explain the DMFA-verse and apply real life physics, she would get very angry. Possibly do something mean, such as let Darkmoon update for a few weeks.
Please, think of the other fans. No one wants that.
I do. :-]
That's because you want to see us all suffer :cry
Bah! Hammerspace is a very specific thing, not a general supply zone. It's just what its name says, the place where females 'draw' a hammer from in order to pound a 'deserving' male for sexist comments or behavior. Said hammer may be a wooden mallet, or a sledgehammer, or any variant. As long, as course, as it's funny.
Production of 'general goods' must be via 'bag of holding' equivilents, whether material or spatial pockets, or via magical production. I'd expect that general magical practice would be to transform basic matter at hand into whatever form is needed. This would agree with Abel's claim that magicing up items with simple construction is easier than making something complex.
Now, another variant would be the common 'furry' variant, the Toyspace that vixens can pull any sort of <bleep>, <bleep>, or even <bleep> from when 'need arises'.
Yeah. Seriously. I wish people would quit mentioning hammerspace around DMFA.
Quote from: Netrogo on June 02, 2007, 11:40:47 AM
That's because you want to see us all suffer :cry
You say that like it's not common knowledge already. ;-]
I found the following reference to the hyperdimensional baka-hammer
http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encyclopedia/lexicon.php?id=2
Quote from: Naldru on May 31, 2007, 11:11:25 AM
Regarding the quote "I'm not greedy. How about a million dolllars.", I may have it.
Was it Dr. Evil in Austin Powers, International Man of Mystery when he was discussing how high to set his blackmail demand. The other people in the room then explained that, due to inflation, a million dollars didn't go very far. They then decided to change million to billion.
However, I don't know if it was an American billion (9 zeroes) or a European billion (12 zeroes)
Nope!
On a semi-related note, are any of you familiar with El Goonish Shive (http://www.elgoonishshive.com)? The girls in that comic make frequent use of hammerspace. Some of the guys get the ability to go into it from time to time as well, thanks to a transformation gun that one of the characters has.
Quote from: llearch n'n'daCorna on June 02, 2007, 07:33:24 PM
Quote from: Netrogo on June 02, 2007, 11:40:47 AM
That's because you want to see us all suffer :cry
You say that like it's not common knowledge already. ;-]
Considering my short time here and I know it. I'd say it's pretty common :giggle
Quote from: Aleolus on June 04, 2007, 06:00:00 PM
On a semi-related note, are any of you familiar with El Goonish Shive (http://www.elgoonishshive.com)? The girls in that comic make frequent use of hammerspace. Some of the guys get the ability to go into it from time to time as well, thanks to a transformation gun that one of the characters has.
I am - you should see some of the stuff that takes place on the EGS forum(s).
Although Dan Shive has stated that he has been phasing out the hammers in the comic.
What?? Why? The hammer is awesome!
I think it was something to do with getting away from the anime cliches.
If you really want details, go sign up on the EGS forum, and ask there.