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Title: 4/7/07 Abel's Story #80: Awwwkwaaard.
Post by: Mashi on April 07, 2007, 01:57:14 AM
May's face in the second panel = classic JACK face. :D
Title: Re: 4/7/07 Abel's Story #80: Awwwkwaaard.
Post by: Cogidubnus on April 07, 2007, 02:03:21 AM
Oho!

Methinks I know which Abel theory was correct. Or at least, I know have a much better idea...

What can be said? Poor, poor May. Life just got a lot more difficult, in ways she probably didn't expect. Her reaction probably didn't help things either.

:mwaha
Title: Re: 4/7/07 Abel's Story #80: Awwwkwaaard.
Post by: devilsislegrl on April 07, 2007, 02:12:49 AM
THIS is an incubus?!  ooohoohoohoo... I think we know who's NOT the cubi... :sweatdrop
Title: Re: 4/7/07 Abel's Story #80: Awwwkwaaard.
Post by: superluser on April 07, 2007, 02:17:18 AM
I think this puts the last nail in the coffin for ``Cid will freak out and try to kill Abel.''

``Excuse me, my darling wife.  I must leave you now to be savaged by an incubus while I round up a party to try to kill it.''
Title: Re: 4/7/07 Abel's Story #80: Awwwkwaaard.
Post by: Zedd on April 07, 2007, 02:18:30 AM
*flicks Super on the snout* Yet we dont know what the action couse for is yet
Title: Re: 4/7/07 Abel's Story #80: Awwwkwaaard.
Post by: Manawolf on April 07, 2007, 02:18:38 AM
Yes, the man who's been an adventurer all his life is not the cubi.  What a surprise!

Don't you hate it when you have a room full of adventurers, spellcasters, zealots and thugs, and yet not one diplomat.
Title: Re: 4/7/07 Abel's Story #80: Awwwkwaaard.
Post by: Regal on April 07, 2007, 02:27:38 AM
Not "he is an incubus", but "this is an incubus".  It's rather bad when your father starts refering to you like a something.
Title: Re: 4/7/07 Abel's Story #80: Awwwkwaaard.
Post by: Azraelle on April 07, 2007, 02:39:01 AM
But why was Cid pointing to his own head?  Perhaps he just sprouted his own wings, thus calling himself "this"?  Just a possibility.
Title: Re: 4/7/07 Abel's Story #80: Awwwkwaaard.
Post by: superluser on April 07, 2007, 02:45:26 AM
You know, I noticed something.  Cid isn't trying to keep his voice down.  Hennya can hear Cid just fine.  Perhaps he's trying to see how Abel reacts to this before he takes any action?

Also, I wonder if Cid were trying to run back out to his friend and ask ``What do you think you're trying to pull here?''

Quote from: Azraelle on April 07, 2007, 02:39:01 AMBut why was Cid pointing to his own head?  Perhaps he just sprouted his own wings, thus calling himself "this"?  Just a possibility.

I don't think that he was referring to himself with `this,' but the concept of referring to Abel being an incubus being `natural' (while referring to himself) crossed my mind.
Title: Re: 4/7/07 Abel's Story #80: Awwwkwaaard.
Post by: Amber Williams on April 07, 2007, 02:59:44 AM
Initially I had Cid's hand put more over his face in sort of a head-hold position...but I was afraid it would come across to people like he was about to pull his eye-patch off or something. So I opted for the temple-headache point.

AND STILL I FAIL. :U
Title: Re: 4/7/07 Abel's Story #80: Awwwkwaaard.
Post by: Azraelle on April 07, 2007, 03:15:06 AM
But you're keeping us guessing, Amber, which is a sign of a successful writer.  We're all so very intrigued to find out just what the hell is going to happen that we can't stop ourselves from looking for every single little thing that MIGHT be a clue!  :)

:goamber
Title: Re: 4/7/07 Abel's Story #80: Awwwkwaaard.
Post by: techmaster-glitch on April 07, 2007, 03:18:27 AM
Quote from: superluser on April 07, 2007, 02:17:18 AM
I think this puts the last nail in the coffin for ``Cid will freak out and try to kill Abel.''

... I wouldn't write that one off just yet, the way he was talking, and how, at the beginning, he said "I'll be right back" or something like that makes me think he was heading for wherever he keeps his swords...while he may not be freaking out, he still just might try to kill Abel, assuming that "this" is not his Abel, but an incubus in disguise...but...

*TM-G furiously hammers many nails into the "Cid is the cubi" theory, because, even though TM-G was rooting for the "Incubus tricked May" theory because it made the most sense, he still, up till this point, secretly nurtured the hope that Cid WOULD be the cubi just 'cuz he liked that idea better... now he hammers his own thumb by accident, resulting in a loud curse-rant :cuss*



And because so many people seem to have a hard time understanding when I'm serious and when I'm joking, I did secretly want Cid to be the cubi, but an Incubus tricking May just made more logical sense. The curse part is my attempt to add levity. And I'm not really "furious", I'm really more 'Oh darn". The furiously part is one of those rediculous exaggerations for a joke.
Title: Re: 4/7/07 Abel's Story #80: Awwwkwaaard.
Post by: Nino on April 07, 2007, 03:36:57 AM
Quote from: techmaster-glitch on April 07, 2007, 03:18:27 AM
Quote from: superluser on April 07, 2007, 02:17:18 AM
I think this puts the last nail in the coffin for ``Cid will freak out and try to kill Abel.''

... I wouldn't write that one off just yet, the way he was talking, and how, at the beginning, he said "I'll be right back" or something like that makes me think he was heading for wherever he keeps his swords...while he may not be freaking out, he still just might try to kill Abel, assuming that "this" is not his Abel, but an incubus in disguise...but...

*TM-G furiously hammers many nails into the "Cid is the cubi" theory, because, even though TM-G was rooting for the "Incubus tricked May" theory because it made the most sense, he still, up till this point, secretly nurtured the hope that Cid WOULD be the cubi just 'cuz he liked that idea better... now he hammers his own thumb by accident, resulting in a loud curse-rant :cuss*



And because so many people seem to have a hard time understanding when I'm serious and when I'm joking, I did secretly want Cid to be the cubi, but an Incubus tricking May just made more logical sense. The curse part is my attempt to add levity. And I'm not really "furious", I'm really more 'Oh darn". The furiously part is one of those rediculous exaggerations for a joke.

If you have to explain it it's not funny =P

Of course, in this case I don't think you had to explain it. Your sarcasm was easily detectable.
Title: Re: 4/7/07 Abel's Story #80: Awwwkwaaard.
Post by: Illusionist on April 07, 2007, 05:03:25 AM
Hennya said just about everything there is to say.
Title: Re: 4/7/07 Abel's Story #80: Awwwkwaaard.
Post by: Zedd on April 07, 2007, 05:22:55 AM
Just a really bad feeling when it comes to Cid at mind right now
Title: Re: 4/7/07 Abel's Story #80: Awwwkwaaard.
Post by: Feather Dancer on April 07, 2007, 05:28:25 AM
A feeling of forboding doom should be happening about now, amongst people handing out popcorn. Oh noes! Man poor Abel, after what he was just told of a Cubi he's either gonna freak & run, faint or just go on total shutdown :<
Title: Re: 4/7/07 Abel's Story #80: Awwwkwaaard.
Post by: kaskar on April 07, 2007, 06:32:38 AM

      In # 723 of DMFA , Amber had a word for situations like this .

      I think the word was ' MEGAWFULNORMOUS ' ...
Title: Re: 4/7/07 Abel's Story #80: Awwwkwaaard.
Post by: Tapewolf on April 07, 2007, 06:34:35 AM
Quote from: superluser on April 07, 2007, 02:17:18 AM
``Excuse me, my darling wife.  I must leave you now to be savaged by an incubus while I round up a party to try to kill it.''

I have no idea where this is going, but it strikes me that he's probably not looking at immediate violence.
The obvious possibility is that he's going to fetch a sword or something because he thinks that what he's seeing is an experienced incubus in the guise of his son.  His use of the word 'that' to described his beloved son would tend to suggest this - but an incubus experienced enough to copy his son perfectly would not have blown it by leaving his headwings.

No, I don't know what he's about to do.  Perhaps fetch someone who knows more about 'cubi to look him over, or 'cubi might need to be registered with the city.  They might even be banned (although that seems less likely in a demon city) in which case he might have to turn him in (this seems harsh, but there might be penalties for harbouring them).  

But whatever he's up to, I think that Cid always knew - or was afraid - that his son might be an incubus, he just didn't want to face it.  He had wings, for goodness' sake.  His use of the word 'that' might mean that he's disowning him because he's decided that Abel isn't his son.

Amber, have you considered dropping to a Monday and Friday schedule?
Title: Re: 4/7/07 Abel's Story #80: Awwwkwaaard.
Post by: kaskar on April 07, 2007, 06:48:12 AM

      I was just wondering ? How will these matters occuring now impinge on a certain marriage in the immediate future ? 
Title: Re: 4/7/07 Abel's Story #80: Awwwkwaaard.
Post by: Turnsky on April 07, 2007, 06:56:55 AM
poor abel, things are looking from bad to worse for 'im.. no wonder he stays in his room alot in the future.  :<
Title: Re: 4/7/07 Abel's Story #80: Awwwkwaaard.
Post by: kaskar on April 07, 2007, 07:07:12 AM

          When Kria eventually turns up, will everything be explained and calmed, or just go from bad to worse ?
Title: Re: 4/7/07 Abel's Story #80: Awwwkwaaard.
Post by: Tapewolf on April 07, 2007, 07:16:47 AM
Quote from: kaskar on April 07, 2007, 07:07:12 AM
When Kria eventually turns up, will everything be explained and calmed, or just go from bad to worse ?

Depends whether his parents are frightened because Abel is going to grow up into a monster and eat their souls, or angry because he isn't Cid's son.
Kria might be able to calm them, but if she lets slip that she was at the fort killing many men, or Abel puts two and two together, his horrified reaction might placate them to some degree - at least, assuming they aren't too horrified themselves to notice.

I wonder how the 'tattoo' fits into all this?  In particular what Cid made of it... May must surely have told him even if he hasn't seen it himself.  Someone who knows more about 'Cubi might be able to point out that it means Abel wasn't killed and replaced on the funeral trip (but whether he was killed and replaced while at University is a different story).
Title: Re: 4/7/07 Abel's Story #80: Awwwkwaaard.
Post by: Stygian on April 07, 2007, 07:28:23 AM
Who says May must have said what now? And why would Kria come over so early at all, when she probably realizes what might happen?

No, I think all we are going to see here is Cid renouncing Abel. What happens after that, only Hell knows.
Title: Re: 4/7/07 Abel's Story #80: Awwwkwaaard.
Post by: kaskar on April 07, 2007, 07:31:21 AM

       Is Kria supposed to be what Hell knows at times ???
Title: Re: 4/7/07 Abel's Story #80: Awwwkwaaard.
Post by: Akisohida on April 07, 2007, 07:33:59 AM
I just noticed something. May has blue eyes. Cid has brown eyes..But Abel has a blue eye and a GREEN eye. More evidence that Abel is not truely Cids son? o.o
Title: Re: 4/7/07 Abel's Story #80: Awwwkwaaard.
Post by: rt on April 07, 2007, 07:36:55 AM
Did any one else hear that dramatic "Bum Bum Buumm" effect after reading 'this is an incubus'? Amber is good to get those sound effects across the net  ;)

Also  :eager omg omg omg!  :eager what's oging to happen next!!  :boogie
Title: Re: 4/7/07 Abel's Story #80: Awwwkwaaard.
Post by: Turnsky on April 07, 2007, 07:38:04 AM
Quote from: Akisohida on April 07, 2007, 07:33:59 AM
I just noticed something. May has blue eyes. Cid has brown eyes..But Abel has a blue eye and a GREEN eye. More evidence that Abel is not truely Cids son? o.o

not too sure.. even though the odd-eye thing is not honestly a thing inherent to inhabitants of furrae, but usually there's some genetics shared among eye color...
Title: Re: 4/7/07 Abel's Story #80: Awwwkwaaard.
Post by: Akisohida on April 07, 2007, 07:45:03 AM
Quote from: Turnsky on April 07, 2007, 07:38:04 AM
Quote from: Akisohida on April 07, 2007, 07:33:59 AM
I just noticed something. May has blue eyes. Cid has brown eyes..But Abel has a blue eye and a GREEN eye. More evidence that Abel is not truely Cids son? o.o

not too sure.. even though the odd-eye thing is not honestly a thing inherent to inhabitants of furrae, but usually there's some genetics shared among eye color...

Yeah. I am not referring to the fact that Abel has two different-colored eyes, just that they don't match both parents. :)
Title: Re: 4/7/07 Abel's Story #80: Awwwkwaaard.
Post by: Turnsky on April 07, 2007, 07:52:21 AM
Quote from: Akisohida on April 07, 2007, 07:45:03 AM
Quote from: Turnsky on April 07, 2007, 07:38:04 AM
Quote from: Akisohida on April 07, 2007, 07:33:59 AM
I just noticed something. May has blue eyes. Cid has brown eyes..But Abel has a blue eye and a GREEN eye. More evidence that Abel is not truely Cids son? o.o

not too sure.. even though the odd-eye thing is not honestly a thing inherent to inhabitants of furrae, but usually there's some genetics shared among eye color...

Yeah. I am not referring to the fact that Abel has two different-colored eyes, just that they don't match both parents. :)

oh i know, they usually match either one of the parents, believe me.  :3
see?
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v625/Turnsky/The%20Pad/eyes.jpg)
Title: Re: 4/7/07 Abel's Story #80: Awwwkwaaard.
Post by: Gabi on April 07, 2007, 08:03:49 AM
What I'm thinking is that Cid probably doesn't believe that's Abel. He may think it's an incubus posing as him. That has a flaw, of course. If that were the case, I don't see why the impostor would have kept the head-wings. But Cid may not have thought of that, or he may have thought of a possible reason.
Title: Re: 4/7/07 Abel's Story #80: Awwwkwaaard.
Post by: Tapewolf on April 07, 2007, 08:17:32 AM
Quote from: Gabi on April 07, 2007, 08:03:49 AM
What I'm thinking is that Cid probably doesn't believe that's Abel. He may think it's an incubus posing as him.

So he's going to leave him alone with May and Abel's friend?  >:3

One point we still don't know is to what extent 'Cubi have a reputation for getting in other people's beds.  It wasn't something Hennya brought up, but it might be something that Cid knows.
This is a trait of classical 'Cubi and it might be why Amber sprung for them rather than creating her own race.  We do know that they don't do the gender-swap thing, though.
Title: Re: 4/7/07 Abel's Story #80: Awwwkwaaard.
Post by: kaskar on April 07, 2007, 08:45:51 AM
Quote from: Akisohida on April 07, 2007, 07:33:59 AM
I just noticed something. May has blue eyes. Cid has brown eyes..But Abel has a blue eye and a GREEN eye. More evidence that Abel is not truely Cids son? o.o

           This is not the case in genetics . Even if both parents have brown eyes , it can be a gene carried over from an aunt, uncle,
grandparent, etc ...
Title: Re: 4/7/07 Abel's Story #80: Awwwkwaaard.
Post by: Gabi on April 07, 2007, 08:58:15 AM
Genes don't get carried from aunts and uncles, but the gene for brown eyes is dominant, which means Cid may have a gene for another color too, but his eyes are brown because he also has a brown gene.
Title: Re: 4/7/07 Abel's Story #80: Awwwkwaaard.
Post by: kaskar on April 07, 2007, 09:17:30 AM
 I meant that along the family tree, characteristics can appear out of the blue . ( he he) How do we even know that the cubi line isn't recurring back from genes past ? A marriage like Dan's may have occured in the long past, and awaits till now to arise ...
Title: Re: 4/7/07 Abel's Story #80: Awwwkwaaard.
Post by: Prof B Hunnydew on April 07, 2007, 09:49:50 AM
Quote from: Gabi on April 07, 2007, 08:03:49 AM
What I'm thinking is that Cid probably doesn't believe that's Abel. He may think it's an incubus posing as him. That has a flaw, of course. If that were the case, I don't see why the impostor would have kept the head-wings. But Cid may not have thought of that, or he may have thought of a possible reason.

Cid might think Abel isn't Abel...but Cid is more supisous of May.  He is looking at May, to find out how much She knows.  Did she know Abel was an Incubus? Was she know Abel's father wasn't him or not?

PBH
Title: Re: 4/7/07 Abel's Story #80: Awwwkwaaard.
Post by: Alondro on April 07, 2007, 10:26:19 AM
Quote from: Amber Williams on April 07, 2007, 02:59:44 AM
Initially I had Cid's hand put more over his face in sort of a head-hold position...but I was afraid it would come across to people like he was about to pull his eye-patch off or something. So I opted for the temple-headache point.

AND STILL I FAIL. :U

*Charline pat-pats*  Poor Amber, don't blame yourself if some of your readers are morons not yet completely comprehensionally competent. 

And yes, I suspect Abel shall indeed go on a rampage and kill his family... though not consciously.  His wing tentacles will go beserk while he can but watch in horror!   >:3
Title: Re: 4/7/07 Abel's Story #80: Awwwkwaaard.
Post by: superluser on April 07, 2007, 11:10:09 AM
Quote from: Amber Williams on April 07, 2007, 02:59:44 AMInitially I had Cid's hand put more over his face in sort of a head-hold position...but I was afraid it would come across to people like he was about to pull his eye-patch off or something. So I opted for the temple-headache point.

May I point out that when I originally wrote the message immediately preceding this one, I had written ``(while pointing to himself)'' but I didn't remember him pointing to anything, so I checked back and realized that the pose was more of a ``nervously touching his ear'' pose, and I changed what I said to ``(while referring to himself)''

Quote from: techmaster-glitch on April 07, 2007, 03:18:27 AM... I wouldn't write that one off just yet, the way he was talking, and how, at the beginning, he said "I'll be right back" or something like that makes me think he was heading for wherever he keeps his swords

Except that that's not the most plausible way to deal with the situation.  More likely would be the following:

``Hey, May!  The friend I ran into wants to see you, too.  C'mon.  Let's go see her.''

Gets both Cid and May out of the clutches of the evil incubus.  Hennya is a creature, so she can probably hold her own against an incubus--plus Cid probably doesn't care that much about her, unlike his wife.

And yes, the headwings make it obvious to any onlookers that it's implausible that that's an incubus actually trying to impersonate something.
Title: Re: 4/7/07 Abel's Story #80: Awwwkwaaard.
Post by: Mirr on April 07, 2007, 11:16:43 AM
Quote from: Turnsky on April 07, 2007, 07:52:21 AM
Quote from: Akisohida on April 07, 2007, 07:45:03 AM
Quote from: Turnsky on April 07, 2007, 07:38:04 AM
Quote from: Akisohida on April 07, 2007, 07:33:59 AM
I just noticed something. May has blue eyes. Cid has brown eyes..But Abel has a blue eye and a GREEN eye. More evidence that Abel is not truely Cids son? o.o

not too sure.. even though the odd-eye thing is not honestly a thing inherent to inhabitants of furrae, but usually there's some genetics shared among eye color...

Yeah. I am not referring to the fact that Abel has two different-colored eyes, just that they don't match both parents. :)

oh i know, they usually match either one of the parents, believe me.  :3
see?
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v625/Turnsky/The%20Pad/eyes.jpg)

That looks like... Chimerism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chimera_%28genetics%29)!

Ooh wait! Maybe Abel is a chimera (because look at his eyes) and only half of his cells have the cubi gene! *gets thwacked on head*
Title: Re: 4/7/07 Abel's Story #80: Awwwkwaaard.
Post by: Narethlian on April 07, 2007, 11:25:29 AM
Things are rapidly going from bad to worse.

-Nar
Title: Re: 4/7/07 Abel's Story #80: Awwwkwaaard.
Post by: llearch n'n'daCorna on April 07, 2007, 11:32:23 AM
Quote from: Mirr on April 07, 2007, 11:16:43 AM
That looks like... Chimerism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chimera_%28genetics%29)!

Ooh wait! Maybe Abel is a chimera (because look at his eyes) and only half of his cells have the cubi gene! *gets thwacked on head*

Heh. It looks more like sectoral heterochromia to me. Which is not what Abel has, I might add - his looks more like simple heterochromia. Although there are likely to be more details that we don't know - simple is fairly rare, according to wikipedia, and involves no other problems. Since we don't -know- of any other problems, or that they're not resolved simply through him being a Cubi, we're left to guess...


oh, and welcome to the forum, Mirr. We've been waiting for you. :-]

Title: Re: 4/7/07 Abel's Story #80: Awwwkwaaard.
Post by: superluser on April 07, 2007, 11:34:40 AM
Quote from: Mirr on April 07, 2007, 11:16:43 AMThat looks like... Chimerism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chimera_%28genetics%29)!

Ooh wait! Maybe Abel is a chimera (because look at his eyes) and only half of his cells have the cubi gene! *gets thwacked on head*

Or... heterochromia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heterochromia).  I know Australian Shepherds often have it. (quit ninja'ing me)

Also (and I'm busy, or else I'd do it) but someone really should make an animated GIF of Cid screaming ``THIS...IS...AN...INCUBUS'' and then kicking Abel into a shaft.
Title: Re: 4/7/07 Abel's Story #80: Awwwkwaaard.
Post by: Mirr on April 07, 2007, 11:57:44 AM
Quote from: llearch n'n'daCorna on April 07, 2007, 11:32:23 AM
Quote from: Mirr on April 07, 2007, 11:16:43 AM
That looks like... Chimerism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chimera_%28genetics%29)!

Ooh wait! Maybe Abel is a chimera (because look at his eyes) and only half of his cells have the cubi gene! *gets thwacked on head*

Heh. It looks more like sectoral heterochromia to me. Which is not what Abel has, I might add - his looks more like simple heterochromia. Although there are likely to be more details that we don't know - simple is fairly rare, according to wikipedia, and involves no other problems. Since we don't -know- of any other problems, or that they're not resolved simply through him being a Cubi, we're left to guess...


oh, and welcome to the forum, Mirr. We've been waiting for you. :-]



Waiting for me? *eye-twitch*

But yeah, heterochromia seems more likely. I just thought of chimerism first because I was just talking about it with someone.
Title: Re: 4/7/07 Abel's Story #80: Awwwkwaaard.
Post by: Alan Garou on April 07, 2007, 12:25:23 PM
Anyone else notice May's oddly panicked smile? In my eyes, that smile reeks of "my plan is crashing down around me." Methinks that the confusion was just a charade, and May actually IS the cubi parent.  :shifty
Title: Re: 4/7/07 Abel's Story #80: Awwwkwaaard.
Post by: Illusionist on April 07, 2007, 12:45:24 PM
Quote from: superluser on April 07, 2007, 11:34:40 AM
Quote from: Mirr on April 07, 2007, 11:16:43 AMThat looks like... Chimerism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chimera_%28genetics%29)!

Ooh wait! Maybe Abel is a chimera (because look at his eyes) and only half of his cells have the cubi gene! *gets thwacked on head*

Or... heterochromia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heterochromia).  I know Australian Shepherds often have it. (quit ninja'ing me)

Also (and I'm busy, or else I'd do it) but someone really should make an animated GIF of Cid screaming ``THIS...IS...AN...INCUBUS'' and then kicking Abel into a shaft.

That would be the most win thing ever.
Title: Re: 4/7/07 Abel's Story #80: Awwwkwaaard.
Post by: Zedd on April 07, 2007, 12:53:14 PM
Quote from: Alan Garou on April 07, 2007, 12:25:23 PM
Anyone else notice May's oddly panicked smile? In my eyes, that smile reeks of "my plan is crashing down around me." Methinks that the confusion was just a charade, and May actually IS the cubi parent.  :shifty

That or she was trying to hide the fact their son has headwings cookie for brains :P
Title: Re: 4/7/07 Abel's Story #80: Awwwkwaaard.
Post by: GabrielsThoughts on April 07, 2007, 12:58:26 PM
Cid knows he's incubus, although somebody should have started an 82 thread by now.
Title: Re: 4/7/07 Abel's Story #80: Awwwkwaaard.
Post by: Aridas on April 07, 2007, 01:29:08 PM
Well, since I'd like to stir things up... Cid already confirmed that if this particular incubus were transformed, he'd have sensed it... Which means more likely than not, he knows it's Abel.
Title: Re: 4/7/07 Abel's Story #80: Awwwkwaaard.
Post by: Valynth on April 07, 2007, 01:34:36 PM
Quote from: Aridas Soulfire on April 07, 2007, 01:29:08 PM
Well, since I'd like to stir things up... Cid already confirmed that if this particular incubus were transformed, he'd have sensed it... Which means more likely than not, he knows it's Abel.

Actually he said he could detect illusions, but cubi shapeshifting, I think, is another thing entirely.
Title: Re: 4/7/07 Abel's Story #80: Awwwkwaaard.
Post by: superluser on April 07, 2007, 01:38:11 PM
Quote from: Valynth on April 07, 2007, 01:34:36 PM
Quote from: Aridas Soulfire on April 07, 2007, 01:29:08 PMWell, since I'd like to stir things up... Cid already confirmed that if this particular incubus were transformed, he'd have sensed it... Which means more likely than not, he knows it's Abel.
Actually he said he could detect illusions, but cubi shapeshifting, I think, is another thing entirely.

Egg-zactly.  After all, Merlitz's old party had no trouble picking up that Dan had been transformed, but showed no indication of sensing Abel.
Title: Re: 4/7/07 Abel's Story #80: Awwwkwaaard.
Post by: Turnsky on April 07, 2007, 01:54:05 PM
Quote from: Zedd on April 07, 2007, 12:53:14 PM
Quote from: Alan Garou on April 07, 2007, 12:25:23 PM
Anyone else notice May's oddly panicked smile? In my eyes, that smile reeks of "my plan is crashing down around me." Methinks that the confusion was just a charade, and May actually IS the cubi parent.  :shifty

That or she was trying to hide the fact their son has headwings cookie for brains :P

or it's just a grimace 'cuz may knows things mightn't turn out "sunshine and cookies" as it were..
Title: Re: 4/7/07 Abel's Story #80: Awwwkwaaard.
Post by: Reese Tora on April 07, 2007, 02:48:41 PM
Quote from: Gabi on April 07, 2007, 08:58:15 AM
Genes don't get carried from aunts and uncles, but the gene for brown eyes is dominant, which means Cid may have a gene for another color too, but his eyes are brown because he also has a brown gene.
That depends on where you live... :B
QuoteYou know you're a redneck when your family tree has no branches.

I don't think that we should expect the genetics of Amber's furrae to mirror those of real life.  For one thing, what is dominant in human genetics will not necessarily be dominant in the genetics of, say Furrae felines.

Then, to, dragging RL genetics into it anyway, brown eyes depends on having atleast one B. (out of BB Bb bB and bb) If Cid himself has Bb(2/3 chance) and May has bb(obviously the case, if RL genetics played in, since May has blue eyes), then there is only a 50/50 chance of passing on Brown eyes to Abel.  If Cit and May each had recesive genes for green, then that could account for Abel possessing a green eye.  Of course, eye color is not so simple as a single pair of switches.
Title: Re: 4/7/07 Abel's Story #80: Awwwkwaaard.
Post by: Amber Williams on April 07, 2007, 02:52:54 PM
Quote from: Reese Tora on April 07, 2007, 02:48:41 PM
I don't think that we should expect the genetics of Amber's furrae to mirror those of real life.  For one thing, what is dominant in human genetics will not necessarily be dominant in the genetics of, say Furrae felines.

You would be correct in that.   I've jokingly said it once before, but it does hold a grain of truth, that brown eyes are actually the most uncommon and rare of eye-colours in Furrae.
Title: Re: 4/7/07 Abel's Story #80: Awwwkwaaard.
Post by: GabrielsThoughts on April 07, 2007, 03:23:39 PM
so the DMFA universe works more like a Creatures game where when a norn breed with an ettin it has the body data of a Norn and looks like an ettin?


( haven't played it in years, but I have the first creatures game)
Title: Re: 4/7/07 Abel's Story #80: Awwwkwaaard.
Post by: llearch n'n'daCorna on April 07, 2007, 06:09:43 PM
Quote from: superluser on April 07, 2007, 01:38:11 PM
Quote from: Valynth on April 07, 2007, 01:34:36 PM
Actually he said he could detect illusions, but cubi shapeshifting, I think, is another thing entirely.

Egg-zactly.  After all, Merlitz's old party had no trouble picking up that Dan had been transformed, but showed no indication of sensing Abel.

... of course, they -were- slightly distracted (he's totally hittin' that kitten.) ...
Title: Re: 4/7/07 Abel's Story #80: Awwwkwaaard.
Post by: Reaver225 on April 07, 2007, 06:13:08 PM
It's possible that Cid doesn't know that Cubi can hide their headwings... after all if one has only read about cubi in books and 'has headwings' is an identifying feature, it's very possible that he doesn't KNOW a 'cubi can and would hide their headwings if trying to impersonate someone.
Title: Re: 4/7/07 Abel's Story #80: Awwwkwaaard.
Post by: Stygian on April 07, 2007, 06:40:02 PM
Quote from: Reaver225 on April 07, 2007, 06:13:08 PM
It's possible that Cid doesn't know that Cubi can hide their headwings... after all if one has only read about cubi in books and 'has headwings' is an identifying feature, it's very possible that he doesn't KNOW a 'cubi can and would hide their headwings if trying to impersonate someone.

At last someone thinks of that one... :rolleyes
Title: Re: 4/7/07 Abel's Story #80: Awwwkwaaard.
Post by: Jigsaw Forte on April 07, 2007, 06:55:54 PM
Quote from: GabrielsThoughts on April 07, 2007, 03:23:39 PM
so the DMFA universe works more like a Creatures game where when a norn breed with an ettin it has the body data of a Norn and looks like an ettin?


( haven't played it in years, but I have the first creatures game)

In the interest of nerd supremacy, Ettins were only in Creatures 2.

(Edit: God I can't believe I logged on just to say that.)

I'm leaning back towards "Devin's Dad macked on May", thankyouverymuch.
Title: Re: 4/7/07 Abel's Story #80: Awwwkwaaard.
Post by: Akisohida on April 07, 2007, 07:47:12 PM
Quote from: Jigsaw Forte on April 07, 2007, 06:55:54 PM
Quote from: GabrielsThoughts on April 07, 2007, 03:23:39 PM
so the DMFA universe works more like a Creatures game where when a norn breed with an ettin it has the body data of a Norn and looks like an ettin?


( haven't played it in years, but I have the first creatures game)

In the interest of nerd supremacy, Ettins were only in Creatures 2.

(Edit: God I can't believe I logged on just to say that.)

I'm leaning back towards "Devin's Dad macked on May", thankyouverymuch.


..Where do you get that Devins dad was a cubi? I could be forgetting something but Devin never appeared to be a cubi and there is no info for (or against) the theory that Devins dad was a cubi. o.o
Title: Re: 4/7/07 Abel's Story #80: Awwwkwaaard.
Post by: Stygian on April 07, 2007, 07:58:11 PM
Quote from: Akisohida on April 07, 2007, 07:47:12 PM
..Where do you get that Devins dad was a cubi? I could be forgetting something but Devin never appeared to be a cubi and there is no info for (or against) the theory that Devins dad was a cubi. o.o

I think you just answered yourself right there, li'l spider... [smirks at him]
Title: Re: 4/7/07 Abel's Story #80: Awwwkwaaard.
Post by: Tapewolf on April 07, 2007, 08:04:10 PM
Quote from: Akisohida on April 07, 2007, 07:47:12 PM
...Where do you get that Devins dad was a cubi? I could be forgetting something but Devin never appeared to be a cubi and there is no info for (or against) the theory that Devins dad was a cubi. o.o

The theory goes like this:

Incubus marries Devin's mother.  They have several children but none of them are 'cubi.  They kill them (which unhinges her).  They have one last try.  Devin is born, he sees there are no wings and gives it up as a bad job. (Ospreys will do this - although they nominally mate for life, a pairing that produces no eggs will not last long.)

Then, probably in the guise of Cid, he seduces May - and possibly leaves forever/is killed by Cid.  Alternatively he may reappear to claim Abel.
Title: Re: 4/7/07 Abel's Story #80: Awwwkwaaard.
Post by: Akisohida on April 07, 2007, 08:07:58 PM
Quote from: Tapewolf on April 07, 2007, 08:04:10 PM
Quote from: Akisohida on April 07, 2007, 07:47:12 PM
...Where do you get that Devins dad was a cubi? I could be forgetting something but Devin never appeared to be a cubi and there is no info for (or against) the theory that Devins dad was a cubi. o.o

The theory goes like this:

Incubus marries Devin's mother.  They have several children but none of them are 'cubi.  They kill them (which unhinges her).  They have one last try.  Devin is born, he sees there are no wings and gives it up as a bad job. (Ospreys will do this - although they nominally mate for life, a pairing that produces no eggs will not last long.)

Then, probably in the guise of Cid, he seduces May - and possibly leaves forever/is killed by Cid.  Alternatively he may reappear to claim Abel.

Ahhh, ok. Still odd but possible.
Title: Re: 4/7/07 Abel's Story #80: Awwwkwaaard.
Post by: Jigsaw Forte on April 07, 2007, 08:20:12 PM
Quote from: Akisohida on April 07, 2007, 08:07:58 PM
Quote from: Tapewolf on April 07, 2007, 08:04:10 PMIncubus marries Devin's mother.  They have several children but none of them are 'cubi.  They kill them (which unhinges her).  They have one last try.  Devin is born, he sees there are no wings and gives it up as a bad job. (Ospreys will do this - although they nominally mate for life, a pairing that produces no eggs will not last long.)

Then, probably in the guise of Cid, he seduces May - and possibly leaves forever/is killed by Cid.  Alternatively he may reappear to claim Abel.

Ahhh, ok. Still odd but possible.

My main rationale for this was that there is no POINT to include Devin's Story within Abel's except either to gain sympathy for a character we're otherwise supposed to hate (and have no reason to really like except for after this fact), or it contains some snippet of pertinent information. Since I see no other reason for Amber to waste three pages giving us useless background information on a side character who gets quickly killed afterwards,  I consider this to be that information.

Remember, people, Amber's been going out of her way to complain about the length of the story. She's probably already pared out anything that could be seen as useless (or at least limited it to plot-pertinent/oneshot info), if for no better reason than "I want to finish this as quickly as I can." If she saw fit to go on about something for several pages . . . it HAS to be important somehow.
Title: Re: 4/7/07 Abel's Story #80: Awwwkwaaard.
Post by: Alondro on April 07, 2007, 09:25:52 PM
*Charline hmms*  We now need an avatar with Cid saying "Kill the Cubi!" and the sad Abel face "DON'T kill the cubi!"   :3
Title: Re: 4/7/07 Abel's Story #80: Awwwkwaaard.
Post by: GabrielsThoughts on April 07, 2007, 11:19:56 PM
there is also the possibility the Cubi was a close/childhood friend of Cid and that is how he was able to fool May...or Cid is the cubi or any number of possibilities could hold the answer.
Title: Re: 4/7/07 Abel's Story #80: Awwwkwaaard.
Post by: superluser on April 07, 2007, 11:31:48 PM
Quote from: llearch n'n'daCorna on April 07, 2007, 06:09:43 PM
Quote from: superluser on April 07, 2007, 01:38:11 PMEgg-zactly.  After all, Merlitz's old party had no trouble picking up that Dan had been transformed, but showed no indication of sensing Abel.
... of course, they -were- slightly distracted (he's totally hittin' that kitten.) ...

No, they weren't.  They saw Abelitz before they saw Danlexsi, and it was convincing enough to make Genesis4 jealous.  They seem to have no clue that that wasn't Merlitz.

Quote from: Stygian on April 07, 2007, 06:40:02 PM
Quote from: Reaver225 on April 07, 2007, 06:13:08 PMIt's possible that Cid doesn't know that Cubi can hide their headwings...
At last someone thinks of that one... :rolleyes

I do believe I preemptively addressed that:

Quote from: superluser on March 27, 2007, 10:19:23 AMAnd that at the very least, unlike the clan marking, they must be able to hide the headwings, or else any adventurers that claimed not to know that they were dealing with an impostor would be rather incredible.
Title: Re: 4/7/07 Abel's Story #80: Awwwkwaaard.
Post by: kaskar on April 08, 2007, 12:47:12 AM

         Everyone seems to get into the muddle of who married who, or what happened when . What about if the head mistriss in was correct in her assumtion in the old town before, and Abel is the result of a one night stand ?
Title: Re: 4/7/07 Abel's Story #80: Awwwkwaaard.
Post by: techmaster-glitch on April 08, 2007, 02:09:07 AM
Quote from: kaskar on April 08, 2007, 12:47:12 AM

         Everyone seems to get into the muddle of who married who, or what happened when . What about if the head mistriss in was correct in her assumtion in the old town before, and Abel is the result of a one night stand ?

I don't know if anyone else has forgotten about the "Abel's Heritage Theories" thread, but I know I haven't. I still contend that the theory of an "Incubus tricking May" is the one that makes the MOST sense.
Title: Re: 4/7/07 Abel's Story #80: Awwwkwaaard.
Post by: kaskar on April 08, 2007, 04:27:32 AM
         
           Whoever said Abel wasn't the result of a lonely May, having a one night stand with what seemed a being , but was , unknowingly to May, an Incubus ? It would explain why May seems to have kept her mouth shut too .
Title: Re: 4/7/07 Abel's Story #80: Awwwkwaaard.
Post by: llearch n'n'daCorna on April 08, 2007, 04:45:23 AM
Quote from: superluser on April 07, 2007, 11:31:48 PM
Quote from: llearch n'n'daCorna on April 07, 2007, 06:09:43 PM
... of course, they -were- slightly distracted (he's totally hittin' that kitten.) ...

No, they weren't.  They saw Abelitz before they saw Danlexsi, and it was convincing enough to make Genesis4 jealous.  They seem to have no clue that that wasn't Merlitz.

Shush, you're ruining the joke :-]

More seriously - yes, I'm aware it wasn't Merbel who they noticed, and yes, that does seem to indicate that the Cubi transformation isn't something that Adventurers seem to notice, generally speaking, but they also had Merbel smacking Nitemyst in the face - pretty much what they expected, so taking some of the heat off of the warning.

I'd suggest that the "morphing magic warning" is area-general, rather than person-specific, but Gen's comments in 711 seem to refute that, so... Erm, yeah.
Title: Re: 4/7/07 Abel's Story #80: Awwwkwaaard.
Post by: kaskar on April 08, 2007, 05:34:58 AM

          By the way, where did Abel learn his  " sucker punch " ? ( remember he went to college and showed up with his mark )
Title: Re: 4/7/07 Abel's Story #80: Awwwkwaaard.
Post by: Illusionist on April 08, 2007, 05:37:09 AM
I like to think Xander and Devin used to beat him up.
Title: Re: 4/7/07 Abel's Story #80: Awwwkwaaard.
Post by: kaskar on April 08, 2007, 05:49:17 AM

         So what happens now after Cid has spilled the beans ? Is there violence , a standoff, or what ?  Also, when does Abel come out of shock, and say some thing properly ?
Title: Re: 4/7/07 Abel's Story #80: Awwwkwaaard.
Post by: kaskar on April 08, 2007, 06:26:55 AM

       I still like the look on Cid's face, when he comes in and says, ' May, Ill be right back ...' A classic line usually left for drama's , etc   ... Real mood setter ...
Title: Re: 4/7/07 Abel's Story #80: Awwwkwaaard.
Post by: Goatmon on April 08, 2007, 08:44:27 AM
Quote from: Alondro on April 07, 2007, 09:25:52 PM
*Charline hmms*  We now need an avatar with Cid saying "Kill the Cubi!" and the sad Abel face "DON'T kill the cubi!"   :3

Oh, I dunno.... he certainly seems to be handling it pretty well.  I mean, If I just learned that one and only son turned out to be something I used to kill for a living, I'd probably want a little air, myself. 
Title: Re: 4/7/07 Abel's Story #80: Awwwkwaaard.
Post by: Magic on April 08, 2007, 09:53:42 AM
Quote from: Stygian on April 07, 2007, 07:58:11 PM
Quote from: Akisohida on April 07, 2007, 07:47:12 PM
..Where do you get that Devins dad was a cubi? I could be forgetting something but Devin never appeared to be a cubi and there is no info for (or against) the theory that Devins dad was a cubi. o.o

I think you just answered yourself right there, li'l spider... [smirks at him]

"Look, there's no conclusive evidence on the issue at hand. Therefore, you should accept my conclusion on this issue."

Tsk. Argument based on ignorance is fallacious.


Quote from: kaskar on April 08, 2007, 04:27:32 AM
         
Whoever said Abel wasn't the result of a lonely May, having a one night stand with what seemed a being , but was , unknowingly to May, an Incubus ? It would explain why May seems to have kept her mouth shut too .

Possible, not entirely plausible. May looks faithful to Cid, and it would be difficult to argue because of May's reactions to Abel and Cid..

Quote from: Illusionist on April 08, 2007, 05:37:09 AM
I like to think Xander and Devin used to beat him up.

It's not as much violence as persecution; related, but different. (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Abel_08.php)
Title: Re: 4/7/07 Abel's Story #80: Awwwkwaaard.
Post by: Turnsky on April 08, 2007, 12:24:11 PM
well, reading back, this gives an inkling of things..
http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Abel_29.php

so who knows..
Title: Re: 4/7/07 Abel's Story #80: Awwwkwaaard.
Post by: Aridas on April 08, 2007, 01:12:00 PM
I thought Abel never knew Xander.
Title: Re: 4/7/07 Abel's Story #80: Awwwkwaaard.
Post by: superluser on April 08, 2007, 01:22:01 PM
Quote from: Aridas Soulfire on April 08, 2007, 01:12:00 PMI thought Abel never knew Xander.

Oh, sure he did.  We saw him meet Xander for the first time when Abel was returning from Cindy's funeral.
Title: Re: 4/7/07 Abel's Story #80: Awwwkwaaard.
Post by: Prof B Hunnydew on April 08, 2007, 05:00:58 PM
Quote from: Ink on April 08, 2007, 09:53:42 AM
Quote from: kaskar on April 08, 2007, 04:27:32 AM
         
Whoever said Abel wasn't the result of a lonely May, having a one night stand with what seemed a being , but was , unknowingly to May, an Incubus ? It would explain why May seems to have kept her mouth shut too .

Possible, not entirely plausible. May looks faithful to Cid, and it would be difficult to argue because of May's reactions to Abel and Cid..

And May reaction to the rumours in her old town... May's Wraith (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Abel_14.php)

PBH

Title: Re: 4/7/07 Abel's Story #80: Awwwkwaaard.
Post by: superluser on April 08, 2007, 06:05:28 PM
Quote from: Prof B Hunnydew on April 08, 2007, 05:00:58 PMAnd May reaction to the rumours in her old town... May's Wraith (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Abel_14.php)

Do you mean wraith (as in, May's doppelganger) or wrath (the wrath of Achilles)?  The former would be fun to debate.  As to the latter, ``The lady doth protest too much, methinks.''
Title: Re: 4/7/07 Abel's Story #80: Awwwkwaaard.
Post by: Kenji on April 08, 2007, 06:07:52 PM
Needs more food fight.
Title: Re: 4/7/07 Abel's Story #80: Awwwkwaaard.
Post by: Zedd on April 08, 2007, 06:40:31 PM
Quote from: Kenji on April 08, 2007, 06:07:52 PM
Needs more food fight.

Ask and ye shall receive my friend (http://www.furaffinity.net/view/228517/) :3
Title: Re: 4/7/07 Abel's Story #80: Awwwkwaaard.
Post by: SpottedKitty on April 08, 2007, 06:56:21 PM
Quote from: kaskar on April 08, 2007, 05:34:58 AM

          By the way, where did Abel learn his  " sucker punch " ?
Dan's mother, I suspect. Destania told Alexsi (in the kidnapping arc, #713) Abel had been a pupil of hers, and Dan's "<splat-against-wall> You fight like my mom..." a few strips later (#734) pretty much convinced me Destania taught Abel how to fight.
Title: Re: 4/7/07 Abel's Story #80: Awwwkwaaard.
Post by: superluser on April 08, 2007, 07:31:18 PM
Quote from: SpottedKitty on April 08, 2007, 06:56:21 PMDan's mother, I suspect. Destania told Alexsi (in the kidnapping arc, #713) Abel had been a pupil of hers, and Dan's "<splat-against-wall> You fight like my mom..." a few strips later (#734) pretty much convinced me Destania taught Abel how to fight.

Given Destania's snatch manœuvre, I wouldn't be surprised.
Title: Re: 4/7/07 Abel's Story #80: Awwwkwaaard.
Post by: Stygian on April 08, 2007, 07:57:00 PM
Quote from: Ink on April 08, 2007, 09:53:42 AM
Quote from: Stygian on April 07, 2007, 07:58:11 PM
Quote from: Akisohida on April 07, 2007, 07:47:12 PM
..Where do you get that Devins dad was a cubi? I could be forgetting something but Devin never appeared to be a cubi and there is no info for (or against) the theory that Devins dad was a cubi. o.o

I think you just answered yourself right there, li'l spider... [smirks at him]

"Look, there's no conclusive evidence on the issue at hand. Therefore, you should accept my conclusion on this issue."

Tsk. Argument based on ignorance is fallacious.


I was not argumenting. I was simply pointing out that it was unneccesary to say what he said if he was going to counterargument himself. His initial argument seemed to be against the speculation that Devin's dad might have been an incubus, which possibly might have been the same one who possibly impregnated May with Abel, something we know nothing about. To then proceed to say that there is no info supporting or contradicting this theory... Is like saying "Hey! I think you're surely wrong about this whole thing, because you could be wrong, or... you could be right!"
Title: Re: 4/7/07 Abel's Story #80: Awwwkwaaard.
Post by: kaskar on April 09, 2007, 12:19:36 AM

             It could be that Cid is a Cubi Adventurer. Cubi , in public, usually hide their wings in public . May usually wouldn't comment much about this so you only see what Amber has drawn ...
Title: Re: 4/7/07 Abel's Story #80: Awwwkwaaard.
Post by: LoneHowler on April 09, 2007, 01:58:51 AM
I agree with kaskar and the eye patch is a "Patch" which he is about to remove to show his own wings 
Title: Re: 4/7/07 Abel's Story #80: Awwwkwaaard.
Post by: Aridas on April 09, 2007, 02:17:38 AM
Quote from: LoneHowler on April 09, 2007, 01:58:51 AM
I agree with kaskar and the eye patch is a "Patch" which he is about to remove to show his own wings 

:shapeshifters
Title: Re: 4/7/07 Abel's Story #80: Awwwkwaaard.
Post by: Turnsky on April 09, 2007, 02:27:33 AM
and there's plenty of evidence to the contrary to cid being a 'cubi..

still, who knows, the only answers lurk deep within amber's skull, and i'm not willing to open THAT pandora's box..  >:3
Title: Re: 4/7/07 Abel's Story #80: Awwwkwaaard.
Post by: kaskar on April 09, 2007, 03:30:47 AM

        How long till the next Abel's story update ?
Title: Re: 4/7/07 Abel's Story #80: Awwwkwaaard.
Post by: Turnsky on April 09, 2007, 04:45:55 AM
Quote from: kaskar on April 09, 2007, 03:30:47 AM

        How long till the next Abel's story update ?

either saturday, or when Amber decides, whichever comes first, i guess.
Title: Re: 4/7/07 Abel's Story #80: Awwwkwaaard.
Post by: kaskar on April 09, 2007, 07:51:18 AM

         You have made a basic flaw in amber logic . Sickness can come up, so the day 'saturday' can be an unknown day or night in the future. Like 'when will this be done?' reply 'soon' it is an unknown time in the future ...
Title: Re: 4/7/07 Abel's Story #80: Awwwkwaaard.
Post by: Turnsky on April 09, 2007, 08:03:12 AM
Quote from: kaskar on April 09, 2007, 07:51:18 AM

         You have made a basic flaw in amber logic . Sickness can come up, so the day 'saturday' can be an unknown day or night in the future. Like 'when will this be done?' reply 'soon' it is an unknown time in the future ...

you missed out on my latter point.. "or when Amber decides"
Title: Re: 4/7/07 Abel's Story #80: Awwwkwaaard.
Post by: kaskar on April 09, 2007, 08:15:27 AM

      So the lights have turned to Amber ...
Title: Re: 4/7/07 Abel's Story #80: Awwwkwaaard.
Post by: Turnsky on April 09, 2007, 08:30:58 AM
Quote from: kaskar on April 09, 2007, 08:15:27 AM

      So the lights have turned to Amber ...

"when amber decides" might be an unknown time in the future, determined by how amber feels, whether she is sick or not or even if her -server- works, therefore, "when amber decides" is a rather flexible thing..

not to mention that DMFA and abel's story are Amber's comics, too.. So it'd be really up to her whether or not it updates, no?

i make no guesses on the inner workings of Amber's mind, you shouldn't either.

as for "amber Logic" i don't know amber, so what's logical to you, may not be logical to her.. or whatever, my head wants to fall off my neck right now.. so i'll leave it at that before this thread becomes derailed by our inane ramblings, i have no wish to incur the wrath of the powers that be.
Title: Re: 4/7/07 Abel's Story #80: Awwwkwaaard.
Post by: superluser on April 09, 2007, 10:10:00 AM
Quote from: Turnsky on April 09, 2007, 08:30:58 AMso i'll leave it at that before this thread becomes derailed by our inane ramblings, i have no wish to incur the wrath of the powers that be.

Yuh.  This is the most boring flamewar I've ever seen.
Title: Re: 4/7/07 Abel's Story #80: Awwwkwaaard.
Post by: GreenReaper on April 09, 2007, 12:45:19 PM
Quote from: Jigsaw Forte on April 07, 2007, 06:55:54 PMso the DMFA universe works more like a Creatures game where when a norn breed with an ettin it has the body data of a Norn and looks like an ettin?

Eew. That makes me feel weird just thinking about doing it with an ettin. :p

Besides, you know they'd just get distracted by an interesting gadget half-way through . . .
Title: Re: 4/7/07 Abel's Story #80: Awwwkwaaard.
Post by: llearch n'n'daCorna on April 09, 2007, 01:02:25 PM
oooo, shiney!
Title: Re: 4/7/07 Abel's Story #80: Awwwkwaaard.
Post by: Tapewolf on April 09, 2007, 06:03:22 PM
I'm currently editing strips 71-75 for the Radio Project and something just dawned on me that I don't believe has been mentioned yet.

The concensus seems to be that Cid is going to get help to dispatch Abel because he thinks that 'Abel' is really an incubus who's murdered his son and taken his form.
There are two things which make that awkward.  It might be that Cid isn't acting rationally of course, but there are two points which suggest that Abel isn't capable of true shapeshifting.

Firstly, the headwings.  We've covered that.  The other one is deeper - the Creature-To-Being charm.
If the terrified feline in the corner is an adult incubus who is clever enough at shapeshifting to assume the guise of Abel (and his voice too) - why the hell does he need a charm to get rid of his backwings?

It's possible that this is how May is going to talk him down, of course, since she knows about the charm and Cid hasn't seen it yet.
Title: Re: 4/7/07 Abel's Story #80: Awwwkwaaard.
Post by: superluser on April 09, 2007, 11:38:59 PM
Quote from: Tapewolf on April 09, 2007, 06:03:22 PMThe concensus seems to be that Cid is going to get help to dispatch Abel because he thinks that 'Abel' is really an incubus who's murdered his son and taken his form.

I think he's probably going off to get someone to take care of the incubus, though maybe not by killing--unless his friend is indeed Kria.  So not consensus from me.

Quote from: Tapewolf on April 09, 2007, 06:03:22 PMIf the terrified feline in the corner is an adult incubus who is clever enough at shapeshifting to assume the guise of Abel (and his voice too) - why the hell does he need a charm to get rid of his backwings?

Alas, this may be a Catch-22.  If Abel changes forms with a charm, it means that he is a creature, and since they don't think that Abel's a creature, it must be an impostor, regardless of whether there is a charm.
Title: Re: 4/7/07 Abel's Story #80: Awwwkwaaard.
Post by: Aridas on April 10, 2007, 12:48:39 AM
But apparently beings don't have wings...
Title: Re: 4/7/07 Abel's Story #80: Awwwkwaaard.
Post by: superluser on April 10, 2007, 01:23:41 AM
Quote from: Aridas Soulfire on April 10, 2007, 12:48:39 AMBut apparently beings don't have wings...

I'm missing your point.  If your point were that beings don't in fact have wings, I just have to point you to Merlitz, Felorin, Sunny, Hollyann, Alikya, among others.  If that were sarcastic, I should reiterate that it's a creature-to-being morphing amulet.  Meaning that if you gave it to Merlitz, nothing would happen to his wings.
Title: Re: 4/7/07 Abel's Story #80: Awwwkwaaard.
Post by: Silverfoxr on April 10, 2007, 01:57:57 AM
merl wings are magic created anyways so it wouldnt effect em

all comes down to gentics again one parent could be a winged species - angel, cubi etc the other a normal - result a winged being - justcause they have wings doesnt mean they can fly - dans a good example - if the offspring takes after the being they wont have wings - if after the other they properly well - so its common for beings to have wings doesnt mean there all different species - remeber dmfa orginally started on furcadia and on there wings were only for decoration - you couldnt fly - orginally you had to buy wings if you wanted them

seriously people chill out a bit - you take the speculations a bit to far sometimes - which leads to flame wars - all well be realived in time - mab well update when shes feeling up to it - i know how it feels to be sick -

i think i be stalking mab to much again (hides in her shadow again)

Title: Re: 4/7/07 Abel's Story #80: Awwwkwaaard.
Post by: superluser on April 10, 2007, 02:19:53 AM
Quote from: Silverfoxr on April 10, 2007, 01:57:57 AMmerl wings are magic created anyways so it wouldnt effect em

Which is actually the reason why I chose him for the example.  His wings are infused with magic, which is similar to creatures, who have a strong affinity toward magic.  Just because they're magical doesn't make them susceptible to creature-to-being morphing.

I think.  Not that I have any inside information.

Quote from: Silverfoxr on April 10, 2007, 01:57:57 AMall comes down to gentics again one parent could be a winged species - angel, cubi etc the other a normal - result a winged being - justcause they have wings doesnt mean they can fly - dans a good example - if the offspring takes after the being they wont have wings - if after the other they properly well - so its common for beings to have wings doesnt mean there all different species - remeber dmfa orginally started on furcadia and on there wings were only for decoration - you couldnt fly - orginally you had to buy wings if you wanted them

What she said.  Also, were headwings on Furcadia?  I had always assumed not, but since they were so integral to the Aaryanna design (and not knowing if Aary were ever on Furcadia, and never having been, myself), I'm curious.
Title: Re: 4/7/07 Abel's Story #80: Awwwkwaaard.
Post by: Aridas on April 10, 2007, 02:59:12 AM
If it's a creature to being amulet, why would it bother removing the wings if wings on a being were so possible? The problem is, I think just about all of the characters you're talking about real peoples' characters anyway... Not counting Alikya, who is SUPPOSED to have wings. or at least, that's how I think it goes.
Title: Re: 4/7/07 Abel's Story #80: Awwwkwaaard.
Post by: Reese Tora on April 10, 2007, 03:14:50 AM
Quote from: Aridas Soulfire on April 10, 2007, 02:59:12 AM
If it's a creature to being amulet, why would it bother removing the wings if wings on a being were so possible? The problem is, I think just about all of the characters you're talking about real peoples' characters anyway... Not counting Alikya, who is SUPPOSED to have wings. or at least, that's how I think it goes.

Becasue wings stick out?

Seriously, a creature to being amulet(as we're calling it, I don't think that's exactly what it is) is meant to allow the creature using it to blend seamlessly, or nearly so, with being society.  The majority of beings do not have wings.  While it is a potential characteristic, as is hypomelanosis(albinism) in humans and other creatures.  while it's a natural configuration, it's not exactly low profile, which, in my mind, defeats the purpose of the amulet.

Now, before uyou say "but, Reese, what about Hennya's eyes? they didn't change!" I do have an answer for that.  In many fantasy settings, the eyes are the one thing that cannot be changed of a person.  Thier eyes will always have the same characteristics, which makes it difficult for one with odd eyes to hide thier nature, even with transformation.  There's also the possibility thatn the closest being match for Hennya's race of creature naturally has eyes that look like that.
Title: Re: 4/7/07 Abel's Story #80: Awwwkwaaard.
Post by: Aridas on April 10, 2007, 03:23:13 AM
Quote from: Reese Tora on April 10, 2007, 03:14:50 AM(as we're calling it, I don't think that's exactly what it is).
We're not calling it that, the character in the comic is calling it that.
Title: Re: 4/7/07 Abel's Story #80: Awwwkwaaard.
Post by: Reese Tora on April 10, 2007, 03:57:39 AM
I don't think they know exactly what it is either.  They know about as much about the amulet as we do, except we all know that it belonged to Kria first, and what she was doing while wearing it.
Title: Re: 4/7/07 Abel's Story #80: Awwwkwaaard.
Post by: Amber Williams on April 10, 2007, 04:06:25 AM
Quote from: Silverfoxr on April 10, 2007, 01:57:57 AM
seriously people chill out a bit - you take the speculations a bit to far sometimes - which leads to flame wars - all well be realived in time - mab well update when shes feeling up to it - i know how it feels to be sick -

I wouldn't worry too much.  The Abel's Story comic will always update on Saturday (unless something goes REALLY wrong), so I'm not sure why kaskar seems to be asking that.  Then again kaskar seems to have a tendency to ask really way-off questions or speculations so eh.
Title: Re: 4/7/07 Abel's Story #80: Awwwkwaaard.
Post by: kaskar on April 10, 2007, 08:25:08 AM

          You appeared ! May be you could enlighten us ?
Title: Re: 4/7/07 Abel's Story #80: Awwwkwaaard.
Post by: llearch n'n'daCorna on April 10, 2007, 11:25:24 AM
Quote from: kaskar on April 10, 2007, 08:25:08 AM

          You appeared ! May be you could enlighten us ?

... about what?
Title: Re: 4/7/07 Abel's Story #80: Awwwkwaaard.
Post by: Turnsky on April 10, 2007, 11:36:26 AM
Quote from: llearch n'n'daCorna on April 10, 2007, 11:25:24 AM
Quote from: kaskar on April 10, 2007, 08:25:08 AM

          You appeared ! May be you could enlighten us ?

... about what?

perhaps we can wrap amber in christmas lights and she can enlighten us that way?
Title: Re: 4/7/07 Abel's Story #80: Awwwkwaaard.
Post by: Reaver225 on April 10, 2007, 11:59:05 AM
Quote from: superluser on April 07, 2007, 11:31:48 PM
Quote from: Stygian on April 07, 2007, 06:40:02 PM
Quote from: Reaver225 on April 07, 2007, 06:13:08 PMIt's possible that Cid doesn't know that Cubi can hide their headwings...
At last someone thinks of that one... :rolleyes

I do believe I preemptively addressed that:

Quote from: superluser on March 27, 2007, 10:19:23 AMAnd that at the very least, unlike the clan marking, they must be able to hide the headwings, or else any adventurers that claimed not to know that they were dealing with an impostor would be rather incredible.

It's a bit late to address this, but remember at this point Cubi still aren't very well known - Henya, a fellow Creature only knew them out of books. There may not BE very many adventures left around after 'cubi attacks to say anything but 'they had headwings!!!111"
Title: Re: 4/7/07 Abel's Story #80: Awwwkwaaard.
Post by: Silverfoxr on April 10, 2007, 01:22:35 PM
headwings were never on furcadia - the cubi are mabs own ideas - dragons and phoenixs and there were also those who roleplayed as demons - again wings where only for decoration or the gentics are at work - and theres also the mythos which is also original - just cause a creature or being or cubi has wings doesnt mean they know how to fly - they properly just look cool :D
Title: Re: 4/7/07 Abel's Story #80: Awwwkwaaard.
Post by: Turnsky on April 10, 2007, 01:41:34 PM
Quote from: Silverfoxr on April 10, 2007, 01:22:35 PM
headwings were never on furcadia - the cubi are mabs own ideas - dragons and phoenixs and there were also those who roleplayed as demons - again wings where only for decoration or the gentics are at work - and theres also the mythos which is also original - just cause a creature or being or cubi has wings doesnt mean they know how to fly - they properly just look cool :D

not to mention in this day and age you need two things: a Pilot's license and clearance to be in that airspace *nods*
Title: Re: 4/7/07 Abel's Story #80: Awwwkwaaard.
Post by: llearch n'n'daCorna on April 10, 2007, 01:59:45 PM
Either that or be weaselly wecognised by passing jet engines....
Title: Re: 4/7/07 Abel's Story #80: Awwwkwaaard.
Post by: Turnsky on April 10, 2007, 02:04:15 PM
Quote from: llearch n'n'daCorna on April 10, 2007, 01:59:45 PM
Either that or be weaselly wecognised by passing jet engines....

and this week on "will it blend?"......
Title: Re: 4/7/07 Abel's Story #80: Awwwkwaaard.
Post by: Tapewolf on April 10, 2007, 02:07:48 PM
Quote from: Turnsky on April 10, 2007, 02:04:15 PM
Quote from: llearch n'n'daCorna on April 10, 2007, 01:59:45 PM
Either that or be weaselly wecognised by passing jet engines....
and this week on "will it blend?"......

Don't make me have to link to the sounds of falling meat again.
Title: Re: 4/7/07 Abel's Story #80: Awwwkwaaard.
Post by: Amber Williams on April 10, 2007, 04:08:30 PM
Quote from: kaskar on April 10, 2007, 08:25:08 AM
          You appeared ! May be you could enlighten us ?

Eh? Considering your statement has just left me in the dark...
Title: Re: 4/7/07 Abel's Story #80: Awwwkwaaard.
Post by: superluser on April 10, 2007, 04:16:32 PM
Quote from: Amber Williams on April 10, 2007, 04:08:30 PM
Quote from: kaskar on April 10, 2007, 08:25:08 AMYou appeared ! May be you could enlighten us ?
Eh? Considering your statement has just left me in the dark...

He might not be able to respond right away (http://clockworkmansion.com/forum/index.php?topic=2576.msg105969#msg105969).
Title: Re: 4/7/07 Abel's Story #80: Awwwkwaaard.
Post by: llearch n'n'daCorna on April 10, 2007, 05:22:28 PM
Quote from: superluser on April 10, 2007, 04:16:32 PM
He might not be able to respond right away (http://clockworkmansion.com/forum/index.php?topic=2576.msg105969#msg105969).

Not for a day or so, no.
Title: Re: 4/7/07 Abel's Story #80: Awwwkwaaard.
Post by: Kenji on April 10, 2007, 05:24:30 PM
Quote from: Amber Williams on April 10, 2007, 04:08:30 PM
Quote from: kaskar on April 10, 2007, 08:25:08 AM
          You appeared ! May be you could enlighten us ?

Eh? Considering your statement has just left me in the dark...

Keep an eye on your sunshine. Someone might be plotting to snatch it...
Title: Re: 4/7/07 Abel's Story #80: Awwwkwaaard.
Post by: Amber Williams on April 10, 2007, 05:32:53 PM
Not my sunshine! It keeps me happy when skies are grey! D:
Title: Re: 4/7/07 Abel's Story #80: Awwwkwaaard.
Post by: Vidar on April 10, 2007, 05:44:06 PM
Quote from: Amber Williams on April 10, 2007, 05:32:53 PM
Not my sunshine! It keeps me happy when skies are grey! D:

Curse you, Amber Williams-Panyko! Now I have that damn song in my head.  :mowsad
As punishment, I expect an update when I wake up in the morning!  :V
Title: Re: 4/7/07 Abel's Story #80: Awwwkwaaard.
Post by: Zedd on April 10, 2007, 07:27:24 PM
I thought she had eternal sunshine with a spotless mind :U
Title: Re: 4/7/07 Abel's Story #80: Awwwkwaaard.
Post by: Nino on April 10, 2007, 07:41:10 PM
Hey, Cid or May could either be a Cubi and not know it. Their parents may have cut off their wings as a kid and since the marking and headwings don't come in unless you use magic, it could be possible =P

Anyway, Cid has those things on his wrist that the shadowy figure did who was talking to Kria, didn't he? Meh, I'm all out of ideas.
Title: Re: 4/7/07 Abel's Story #80: Awwwkwaaard.
Post by: Aurawyn on April 10, 2007, 09:45:11 PM
Quote from: Kattuccino on April 10, 2007, 07:41:10 PM
Anyway, Cid has those things on his wrist that the shadowy figure did who was talking to Kria, didn't he? Meh, I'm all out of ideas.

Oooh.. I just noticed that too.. hes got the same roundy looking this on his wrist as the shadow figure in 67.. The plot thickens perhaps?
Title: Re: 4/7/07 Abel's Story #80: Awwwkwaaard.
Post by: superluser on April 10, 2007, 09:59:25 PM
Quote from: Aurawyn on April 10, 2007, 09:45:11 PMOooh.. I just noticed that too.. hes got the same roundy looking this on his wrist as the shadow figure in 67.. The plot thickens perhaps?

So did Devin.  And the creature had a thumb and two fingers, while we only see three fingers (and presumably a thumb) for Cid.  Unless he lost one between 16 (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Abel_16.php) and now.

Also...

QuoteYou are my sunshine,
My only sunshine.
You make me happy
When skies are grey.
You'll never know, dear,
How much I love you.
Please don't take my sunshine away.

You told me once, dear
You really loved me
And no one else could come between
But now you've left me
And love another
You have shattered all my dreams

That song's creeped me out ever since I learned all of its lyrics.
Title: Re: 4/7/07 Abel's Story #80: Awwwkwaaard.
Post by: LoneHowler on April 11, 2007, 03:53:36 AM
Quote from: Aridas Soulfire on April 09, 2007, 02:17:38 AM
Quote from: LoneHowler on April 09, 2007, 01:58:51 AM
I agree with kaskar and the eye patch is a "Patch" which he is about to remove to show his own wings 

:shapeshifters

My theory is shape shifting takes lots of energy and concentration  and it would be easy to get something wrong like the length of the scar or which side of the face it is on. or perhaps it may be impossible to maintain when you are sleeping or get knocked uncontentious  so a patch is a easy solution and we have seen other cubi use it, recently use it in fact Kria's scull pendant http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Abel_67.php
Title: Re: 4/7/07 Abel's Story #80: Awwwkwaaard.
Post by: Reese Tora on April 11, 2007, 04:09:00 AM
Quote from: LoneHowler on April 11, 2007, 03:53:36 AM
Quote from: Aridas Soulfire on April 09, 2007, 02:17:38 AM
Quote from: LoneHowler on April 09, 2007, 01:58:51 AM
I agree with kaskar and the eye patch is a "Patch" which he is about to remove to show his own wings 

:shapeshifters

My theory is shape shifting takes lots of energy and concentration  and it would be easy to get something wrong like the length of the scar or which side of the face it is on. or perhaps it may be impossible to maintain when you are sleeping or get knocked uncontentious  so a patch is a easy solution and we have seen other cubi use it, recently use it in fact Kria's scull pendant http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Abel_67.php

Kria's a demon, not a Cubi.  Demons do not appear to have an inate shapeshifting ability outside of the evolution of Amber's art skills.
Title: Re: 4/7/07 Abel's Story #80: Awwwkwaaard.
Post by: llearch n'n'daCorna on April 11, 2007, 06:19:16 AM
Quote from: Vidar on April 10, 2007, 05:44:06 PM
Quote from: Amber Williams on April 10, 2007, 05:32:53 PM
Not my sunshine! It keeps me happy when skies are grey! D:

Curse you, Amber Williams-Panyko! Now I have that damn song in my head.  :mowsad
As punishment, I expect an update when I wake up in the morning!  :V

You are my sunshine
Hug-hugga-wug-wugga
My only sunshine
Hug!
You make me happy
Wug!
When skies are
Hug-Wug!
grey, you'll never
Hug-hugga-wug-hugga!
know dear....


... The Muppets rawk. :-]
Title: Re: 4/7/07 Abel's Story #80: Awwwkwaaard.
Post by: ShiningShadow on April 11, 2007, 07:01:25 AM
Cid could be a Cubi? hmmmmmmmmmmm that possibility could hold true but he's an adventurer and he knows this kind of stuff in his travels or maybe he is a full fledge, card carrying Cubi.

The plot thickens eh?
Title: Re: 4/7/07 Abel's Story #80: Awwwkwaaard.
Post by: Turnsky on April 11, 2007, 12:33:46 PM
Quote from: LoneHowler on April 11, 2007, 03:53:36 AM
Quote from: Aridas Soulfire on April 09, 2007, 02:17:38 AM
Quote from: LoneHowler on April 09, 2007, 01:58:51 AM
I agree with kaskar and the eye patch is a "Patch" which he is about to remove to show his own wings 

:shapeshifters

My theory is shape shifting takes lots of energy and concentration  and it would be easy to get something wrong like the length of the scar or which side of the face it is on. or perhaps it may be impossible to maintain when you are sleeping or get knocked uncontentious  so a patch is a easy solution and we have seen other cubi use it, recently use it in fact Kria's scull pendant http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Abel_67.php

that eyepatch could hide an empty eye socket, too.

that said, if there were anything magical about that eyepatch it wouldn't be something as fragile as a bit of leather with some string attached, what about what's -behind- the eyepatch, for example, i find it amusing you guys haven't looked down that road, so to speak.
Title: Re: 4/7/07 Abel's Story #80: Awwwkwaaard.
Post by: Faerie Alex on April 11, 2007, 06:22:34 PM
Ooh...Maybe he's hiding a sharingan under the eyepatch. :3

But if it was magical, couldn't the magic make it stronger? (e.g. It would look and feel like leather, but have the strength of a strong metal.)
Title: Re: 4/7/07 Abel's Story #80: Awwwkwaaard.
Post by: ShiningShadow on April 11, 2007, 11:23:47 PM
I think its a magical talisman on the glass eye he covers ok that I'm speculating you have a problem with that!!!!!!! >:3.
Title: Re: 4/7/07 Abel's Story #80: Awwwkwaaard.
Post by: kaskar on April 11, 2007, 11:55:42 PM

             Remember that Cid has a long scar underneath his patch . If we made a 1 to 1 comparison between the two, they would come rather close to equal length . A young Cubi would not even think of kiding his marks because he would not know them for what they were . If Cid was a Cubi , he would hide the fact well , even down to putting his clan marking under a patch . The mark is the same , just relocated to a different point . His eye , pass it off as an old scarred eye, not fully workable and a patch used for peoples comfort .
Title: Re: 4/7/07 Abel's Story #80: Awwwkwaaard.
Post by: LoneHowler on April 14, 2007, 01:22:49 AM
Quote from: Turnsky on April 11, 2007, 12:33:46 PM
Quote from: LoneHowler on April 11, 2007, 03:53:36 AM
Quote from: Aridas Soulfire on April 09, 2007, 02:17:38 AM
Quote from: LoneHowler on April 09, 2007, 01:58:51 AM
I agree with kaskar and the eye patch is a "Patch" which he is about to remove to show his own wings 

:shapeshifters

My theory is shape shifting takes lots of energy and concentration  and it would be easy to get something wrong like the length of the scar or which side of the face it is on. or perhaps it may be impossible to maintain when you are sleeping or get knocked uncontentious  so a patch is a easy solution and we have seen other cubi use it, recently use it in fact Kria's scull pendant http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Abel_67.php

that eyepatch could hide an empty eye socket, too.

that said, if there were anything magical about that eyepatch it wouldn't be something as fragile as a bit of leather with some string attached, what about what's -behind- the eyepatch, for example, i find it amusing you guys haven't looked down that road, so to speak.

my bad for getting demon and cubi mixed up

oh and for flimsy patches remember Azlan's headband? http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_240.php