Hoooooooooooooooooooooly crap. That is one long-lived and terrifying grudge!
Oh, so she was just being stupid and petty. How juvenile.
Once upon a time, there was a very stupid succubus, who to get at a particularly obstinate Cubi, killed one of a band of very stupid adventurers, hoping they would stupidly barge in and kill him, at which time they nearly stupidly killed her daughter, then got their stupid rear ends kicked.
Oh, Wow. So, Abel was the target after all. Well, we were warned that cubis were creatures of emotion, and so push things to 11. Hostility as well as friendship.
Sounds like D really picked a bad assassination adventurer team.
Amber-- this world of yours has been getting darker and scarier lately. :(
Side note on the rant: Welcome to the wonderful world of daywalking and personal responsibility! Next on the agenda, Amber learns to appreaciate seeing a sunrise at the beginning of her day, instead of seeing it at the end of her day. :P
Aside from her heart being ripped out by Aniz, I currently see little reason she should really want to kill Abel...
If she has no better reason then I'm sorry, she certainly isn't redeemable.
But honestly maybe she wasn't to begin with. Her whole plan to wipe out dragons or whatever she's on about doesn't exactly seem to noble or nice either.
Honestly the only people who have seen her as "Nice" is her own family. And look at Lorenda's family, she thinks they are all nice but the entire family tree is listed by their greatest atrocity first!
If/When Dan realizes exactly how evil her mother can be/is he will have a lot of adjusting to do.
I understand her wanting Edward back as well but I doubt it requires killing off an entire race to accomplish, no matter how bad they can be.
Quote from: nguard on January 20, 2013, 11:47:43 PM
Amber-- this world of yours has been getting darker and scarier lately.
I'll bet it was always this dark and scary before, just no one handed you a flashlight and pointed out the baddies. :3
Welp gotter admit, this is a lot more of a stupid tactic than I gave Destania credit for. Amber really threw us all for a loop I bet, not so much for her target but so much the reasoning.
I can understand her reason mind you, she hated everything about Aniz when he broke her heart. It's unsurprising it's covered everything that was pretty much related to him as well. Hell hath no fury of a woman scorned as they say and that scorn is something to fear. Doesn't make it right, but it doesn't make it any less to worry about.
I still don't think her reasoning behind it is sound still, and makes little sense. For more than one reason now obviously. Now it just begs the question does she rearlise the severity of what she started and the near miss of an end result it had.
I'm starting to wonder if indeed Destania has hidden Lost Lake from the sight of many, does it grant her the capability to keep an eye on whats going on at the Inn at the same time. The only reason she knew Abel was there was when Alexsi told her. I really really doubt she would have sent those adventurers to the Inn to kill 'a cubi' if Dan was even remotely there and mistakenly targeted him instead.
I'm also curious to what she is going to think when she rearlises that Abel saved Alexsi from a grisly end. Because despite what some may say, she has already shown she loves her family, Alexsi, Dan and Edward.
Quote from: GammaBut honestly maybe she wasn't to begin with. Her whole plan to wipe out dragons or whatever she's on about doesn't exactly seem to noble or nice either.
Again the dragons obliterated her clan, and left her, her mother and Dan as the soul survivors. Getting revenge against that is a pretty good motive for wiping out a race. Added to the fact as I understand the Dragons almost DID wipe out most of the Cubi race.
Like Pyroduck said, Cubi and Dragons each of the two seem to just spur the other on.
Well that narrows it down quite a bit.
Quote from: Dressari on January 20, 2013, 11:57:20 PM
I'm starting to wonder if indeed Destania has hidden Lost Lake from the sight of many, does it grant her the capability to keep an eye on whats going on at the Inn at the same time. The only reason she knew Abel was there was when Alexsi told her. I really really doubt she would have sent those adventurers to the Inn to kill 'a cubi' if Dan was even remotely there and mistakenly targeted him instead.
I'm also curious to what she is going to think when she rearlises that Abel saved Alexsi from a grisly end. Because despite what some may say, she has already shown she loves her family, Alexsi, Dan and Edward.
I'm actually wondering that too.
Seems rather odd that BOB just appeared at the inn right after Alexsi was kidnapped that time.
Actually, it kind of shocked me that it was Abel. Though I did think of Abel as one of the potential people she might have targeted, there where plenty of others she could have thrown a desk over for more logical reasons.
Though...That might be what threw me, Cubi can be very emotional driven creatures from what we have seen and what Abel has said. Vengeance is a very emotional driven objective. If a grudge is held by a cubi...it most likely won't be pretty or very logical.
I have to say if Destania's been this driven to kill off Abel after all this time; I wonder if she did anything to Aniz's other kids. :eek
Based on what Fa'Lina said here (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Ab_013.php), we can maybe assume that he did have at the least one other kid. In addition, Aniz did say that "There just wasn't any time to test an ideal method this time" in regards to determining, if Abel was a cubi or not. Based on that it makes me think that he perhaps at least tried having a cubi offspring before Abel, whether it worked or not can't really tell.
We already know he (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Ab_015.php) was planning on having more than just Abel; however, I could be reading this out of context and Fa'Lina could have been making that comment in overall regard to the future children he initially planned on having. :/
Well, that is disappointing. I really didn't think she'd be so stupid as to jeopardise her plans, her son and her own life by attacking Abel and therefore tipping off her enemies that she had a presence at Lost Lake.
I don't think Dan's going to be too happy when he finds out either.
"Did anything happen to Alexsi...?"
"She was nearly killed by assassins sent by your mother. The Dragons will now be tipped off to your existence and they will hunt you down like a dog."
EDIT:
Fa'Lina may have been right: http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_1330.php
I still have to wonder about Mertlitz. Since old-style Destania is behind this, it's entirely likely she offed him to make things more convincing, though there is the problem of Aliyka as well.
Quote from: Tapewolf on January 21, 2013, 02:33:25 AM
Well, that is disappointing. I really didn't think she'd be so stupid as to jeopardise her plans, her son and her own life by attacking Abel and therefore tipping off her enemies that she had a presence at Lost Lake. I don't think Dan's going to be too happy when he finds out either.
"Did anything happen to Alexsi...?"
"She was nearly killed by assassins sent by your mother. The Dragons will now be tipped off to your existence and they will hunt you down like a dog."
It is not that Destania is being stupid, Falina is just correct in her assessment, Dee has gone totally insane. all she will gain from her current actions is the loss of the love of the family she has.
While her actions were not favorable to her character, I immediately thought Dee would do this with one goal in mind: To force Dan to stay at SAIA. Maybe if his guardian was taken out, then Fa'Lina might keep Dan safe-or so she hopes. It would explain why she didn't plan the hit until after Dan went to SAIA. As for the target being Abel, it'd just sweeten the deal.
But if that is indeed the case, then:
-It doesn't explain why she didn't mind sending Dan after Dark Pegasus unless she was that confident of Dan/Abel.
-Also, why not tell this to Biggs? I thought she trusted him...unless she really doesn't.
But yeah. Forcing Dan to safety would make sense otherwise. Lastly, while this is what I think is a possible reason for her actions, it's still not a logical/good one. I'm with everyone thinking she's gone insane.
Quote from: Tapewolf on January 21, 2013, 02:33:25 AM
Well, that is disappointing. I really didn't think she'd be so stupid as to jeopardise her plans, her son and her own life by attacking Abel and therefore tipping off her enemies that she had a presence at Lost Lake.
I don't think Dan's going to be too happy when he finds out either.
I would at this point, LIKE to think that when Dan does find out, and he will, any money. That when he finds out he and Alexsi going to be the voice of reason to snap their mother back into sane land. Although I can pretty much picture a hundred things going terribly wrong in that mean time.
Huh, I wonder what Edward will think of all this if he comes back into the picture.
It's a shame because what we've seen of Destania up until now suggests she's capable of caring for others, but just holds an incredible grudge against Aniz and Abel. Her plans appear to be devious still, but her blind anger is causing her to make mistakes or not thinking repercussions through.
Quote from: tikitoriWhile her actions were not favorable to her character, I immediately thought Dee would do this with one goal in mind: To force Dan to stay at SAIA. Maybe if his guardian was taken out, then Fa'Lina might keep Dan safe-or so she hopes. It would explain why she didn't plan the hit until after Dan went to SAIA. As for the target being Abel, it'd just sweeten the deal.
I think this is going to depend on knowing weather or not Destania was aware Dan was already at the Academy or not. Plus I wouldn't like to underestimate her knowledge of her own son, who was once an adventurer. If she's using this tactic to force Dan to stay at SAIA by killing Abel, it's not a very sure-fire way. If I were Dan and someone killed someone I knew at Lost Lake, I would want to find out who it was, why they did it and deal with the problem. Dan is far from raised as a Cubi.
If this indeed was her plan, then it's another thing to add to her silly list in this scheme.
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-It doesn't explain why she didn't mind sending Dan after Dark Pegasus unless she was that confident of Dan/Abel.
-Also, why not tell this to Biggs? I thought she trusted him...unless she really doesn't.
Well Dan had dealt with DP three times before hand, on his own. A fourth to her was likely going to be without any hitches, I'm still curious to know if she is aware of the outcome of that little ploy. Actually now that you mention it, now that we know DP wasn't the target in Destania's plan it does beg the question of her reason for wanting the two to conflict in the first place. That defiantly does not make sense unless it was just to keep him busy and distracted from finding her at the Twinks.
And I agree on the whole Biggs thing, she does appear to be short handing him the explanations. She may be one of those ones who find it very very difficult to trust anyone completely (Possibly but not limiting to) outside her family.
Quote from: Dressari on January 21, 2013, 03:06:47 AM
And I agree on the whole Biggs thing, she does appear to be short handing him the explanations. She may be one of those ones who find it very very difficult to trust anyone completely (Possibly but not limiting to) outside her family.
She certainly painted a different picture to Alexsi. Again, it would have been easier and neater to have sowed the seeds of doubt against Abel.
I was going to say that doing it that way wouldn't have had him killed on his birthday, but now I think about it, I don't see how she could have ensured the adventurers did that to a deadline either.
I have a theory as to why Des want's Abel dead - she said she was going to Destroy Aniz, mind, body, and soul. One thing which Aniz genuinely cared about was his son, Abel.
Des likely want's to destroy everything Aniz cared about and had a vested interest in.
I would not be surprised if Des did something similar to kill off Aniz (who was killed by adventurers - including Alexi's mum, who died in the clash with Aniz). It also would not surprise me if she had something to do with the death of Wildly's mom.
While I'm sure Destania knows more about Abel's abilities than most everyone else, I don't see how she could have expected him to die to the BOB, especially with Wildy there- I doubt she thought the inn would be empty. Abel was doing reasonably well in the fight up to the temporary halt and Skirmish backstabbing him. It just feels like the hammy villian going 'NOOOO! MY PLAN HAS FAILED!' despite sending in a group of grunts (well, relatively) to kill the hero. Granted, in the end it wasn't Abel who defused the situation, but the BOB as an assassination team? I suppose it could have been a rushed effort- from this strip (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_712.php) it appears that she wasn't anticipating Abel to leave the confines of SAIA.
Quote from: TacticalError on January 21, 2013, 03:51:09 AM
While I'm sure Destania knows more about Abel's abilities than most everyone else, I don't see how she could have expected him to die to the BOB, especially with Wildy there- I doubt she thought the inn would be empty. Abel was doing reasonably well in the fight up to the temporary halt and Skirmish backstabbing him. It just feels like the hammy villian going 'NOOOO! MY PLAN HAS FAILED!' despite sending in a group of grunts (well, relatively) to kill the hero. this strip (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_712.php) it appears that she wasn't anticipating Abel to leave the confines of SAIA.
My guess is that she though a group of adventurers would have been sufficient to kill him. The B.O.B
was enough to have killed him and
would have killed him - had Wildy not stopped Gen from knocking him out with her crystal, and had Jyrrus not been there when Skirmish did knock him out with the crystal.
Quote from: Wanderer on January 20, 2013, 11:38:32 PM
Oh, so she was just being stupid and petty. How juvenile.
For starters, Cubi are longlived and therefore have a different concept of time...if you live for 5000 years, 500 years is a relatively short time...it probably doesent strike Des as strange to keep a grudge alive this long.
Secondly, Cubi seams to live in a clan-society. In such a society the individual has no importance in and off himself but mearly as a representative of his family. Letting one member of the clan pay for the actions of another member makes perfect sense.
Quote from: sanasawa on January 21, 2013, 04:06:46 AM
For starters, Cubi are longlived and therefore have a different concept of time...if you live for 5000 years, 500 years is a relatively short time...it probably doesent strike Des as strange to keep a grudge alive this long.
Secondly, Cubi seams to live in a clan-society. In such a society the individual has no importance in and off himself but mearly as a representative of his family. Letting one member of the clan pay for the actions of another member makes perfect sense.
They are also highly emotional and impulsive. Powerful Cubi are no different in this respect to any other Cubi.
Quote from: Tapewolf on January 21, 2013, 02:33:25 AM
Well, that is disappointing. I really didn't think she'd be so stupid as to jeopardise her plans, her son and her own life by attacking Abel and therefore tipping off her enemies that she had a presence at Lost Lake.
I don't think Dan's going to be too happy when he finds out either.
"Did anything happen to Alexsi...?"
"She was nearly killed by assassins sent by your mother. The Dragons will now be tipped off to your existence and they will hunt you down like a dog."
EDIT:
Fa'Lina may have been right: http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_1330.php
I still have to wonder about Mertlitz. Since old-style Destania is behind this, it's entirely likely she offed him to make things more convincing, though there is the problem of Aliyka as well.
Hmm. I wonder whether she's persuaded Dan's stupid ass is in SAIA at the present.
Alternately... I might be giving her entirely too much credit, being one of my favourite characters here, but it might well be a plan following two lines of thought - a) Get Abel's arse six feet under, and b) bait her enemies into acting in some way, perhaps misassessing her plans, and either getting in headlong, or,getting her first-order intention and doing nothing, thus offering Lost Lake a bit more protection bit longer. After all, she didn't seem excessively upset at the failure, which suggests that even if it hasn't gone right, it hasn't gone catastrophically wrong (She doesn't strike me as a calm&collected type)
This incident resembles the hitjob on an unidentified cubi in Zinvth.
http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_1302.php
Was that another of Aniz children Des got rid of?
Perhaps it was better you failed Dee because Once upon a time there was a roo rat who liked a incubus, when he found out his best friend's mother killed him...
Quote from: VAE on January 21, 2013, 06:20:46 AM
Quote from: Tapewolf on January 21, 2013, 02:33:25 AM
Well, that is disappointing. I really didn't think she'd be so stupid as to jeopardise her plans, her son and her own life by attacking Abel and therefore tipping off her enemies that she had a presence at Lost Lake.
I don't think Dan's going to be too happy when he finds out either.
"Did anything happen to Alexsi...?"
"She was nearly killed by assassins sent by your mother. The Dragons will now be tipped off to your existence and they will hunt you down like a dog."
EDIT:
Fa'Lina may have been right: http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_1330.php
I still have to wonder about Mertlitz. Since old-style Destania is behind this, it's entirely likely she offed him to make things more convincing, though there is the problem of Aliyka as well.
Hmm. I wonder whether she's persuaded Dan's stupid ass is in SAIA at the present.
Alternately... I might be giving her entirely too much credit, being one of my favourite characters here, but it might well be a plan following two lines of thought - a) Get Abel's arse six feet under, and b) bait her enemies into acting in some way, perhaps misassessing her plans, and either getting in headlong, or,getting her first-order intention and doing nothing, thus offering Lost Lake a bit more protection bit longer. After all, she didn't seem excessively upset at the failure, which suggests that even if it hasn't gone right, it hasn't gone catastrophically wrong (She doesn't strike me as a calm&collected type)
Well, she did throw a desk and possibly other things aswell.
Quote from: justacritic on January 21, 2013, 07:12:30 AM
Perhaps it was better you failed Dee because Once upon a time there was a roo rat who liked a incubus, when he found out his best friend's mother killed him...
Personally, I would be more concerned about a certain Tri-Wing Poodle Cubi who thinks of Abel as an adopted son.
She also thinks of Pyroduck as an adopted son. Maybe that is why Abel does not get along with Pyroduck? :mowwink
Quote from: sanasawa on January 21, 2013, 07:03:14 AM
This incident resembles the hitjob on an unidentified cubi in Zinvth.
http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_1302.php
Was that another of Aniz children Des got rid of?
Not likely, as she would have had the guy's kid offed as well on the off chance that the kid would grow up to be a Siar cubi.
Quote from: Plotting on January 21, 2013, 07:22:15 AM
Quote from: justacritic on January 21, 2013, 07:12:30 AM
Perhaps it was better you failed Dee because Once upon a time there was a roo rat who liked a incubus, when he found out his best friend's mother killed him...
Personally, I would be more concerned about a certain Tri-Wing Poodle Cubi who thinks of Abel as an adopted son.
She also thinks of Pyroduck as an adopted son. Maybe that is why Abel does not get along with Pyroduck? :mowwink
Heh, sibling rivalry is the best rivalry, and I can say that from the personal experience of having a brother of my own. >:3 Although I think in this case it might be less sibling rivalry (since I'm not sure if Abel is even aware of Pyro's relationship with Fa'lina), and more the fact that Pyro is a dragon who sat on him once (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_683.php). xD
But seriously, as I've said before, if Destania doesn't fear the wraith of any of the dragons she's trying to wipe from the face of Furrae, especially the members of the race that are likely much more powerful than any tri-winged cubi, why would she fear Fa'lina's wraith?
Quote from: ChaosMageX on January 21, 2013, 07:33:55 AM
Heh, sibling rivalry is the best rivalry, and I can say that from the personal experience of having a brother of my own. >:3 Although I think in this case it might be less sibling rivalry (since I'm not sure if Abel is even aware of Pyro's relationship with Fa'lina), and more the fact that Pyro is a dragon who sat on him once (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_683.php). xD
I have two brothers and a sister. I am the youngest. Lots of rivalry in my household as a kid! >:3
Also, Abel is aware that Fa'link thinks of Pyroduck as a son. She told him so (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_740.php).
Quote from: ChaosMageX on January 21, 2013, 07:33:55 AM
But seriously, as I've said before, if Destania doesn't fear the wraith of any of the dragons she's trying to wipe from the face of Furrae, especially the members of the race that are likely much more powerful than any tri-winged cubi, why would she fear Fa'lina's wraith?
Because ultimately we don't know
how she plans to wipe out all the dragons from the face of Furrae. I doubt she is personally powerful enough to do it on her own. She would most likely need aid, allies, or some sort of artifact and/or technology. Fa'lina is likely much more powerful than Destania. And Fa'lina has Fae friends in the form of Mab. Who knows what a Fae would do to someone who killed the adopted son of their friend.
I used to think Dan was kind of immature, I still do, but he seems to be getting better, his mother on the other hand...
Its not good when the child ends up more mature than the parent.
I do wonder how much Edward being kidnapped effected Dee, it could be that she had forgotten her grudges against Abel and the dragons until he went missing, that he acted as a stabilising influence. Bear in mine this is the guy who convinced a succubus who was planing to kill him not only to spare his life, but to marry him.
Quote from: psilorder on January 21, 2013, 07:21:13 AM
Quote from: VAE on January 21, 2013, 06:20:46 AM
Quote from: Tapewolf on January 21, 2013, 02:33:25 AM
Well, that is disappointing. I really didn't think she'd be so stupid as to jeopardise her plans, her son and her own life by attacking Abel and therefore tipping off her enemies that she had a presence at Lost Lake.
I don't think Dan's going to be too happy when he finds out either.
"Did anything happen to Alexsi...?"
"She was nearly killed by assassins sent by your mother. The Dragons will now be tipped off to your existence and they will hunt you down like a dog."
EDIT:
Fa'Lina may have been right: http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_1330.php
I still have to wonder about Mertlitz. Since old-style Destania is behind this, it's entirely likely she offed him to make things more convincing, though there is the problem of Aliyka as well.
Hmm. I wonder whether she's persuaded Dan's stupid ass is in SAIA at the present.
Alternately... I might be giving her entirely too much credit, being one of my favourite characters here, but it might well be a plan following two lines of thought - a) Get Abel's arse six feet under, and b) bait her enemies into acting in some way, perhaps misassessing her plans, and either getting in headlong, or,getting her first-order intention and doing nothing, thus offering Lost Lake a bit more protection bit longer. After all, she didn't seem excessively upset at the failure, which suggests that even if it hasn't gone right, it hasn't gone catastrophically wrong (She doesn't strike me as a calm&collected type)
Well, she did throw a desk and possibly other things aswell.
Is it odd that I count it as a rather mild reaction, still?
Quote from: MT Hazard on January 21, 2013, 07:54:24 AM
I do wonder how much Edward being kidnapped effected Dee, it could be that she had forgotten her grudges against Abel and the dragons until he went missing, that he acted as a stabilising influence. Bear in mine this is the guy who convinced a succubus who was planing to kill him not only to spare his life, but to marry him.
I have to wonder whether she did actually love him at all.
EDIT:
Another big question is whether this hit on Abel was a one-off - whether in her twisted mind she did see it as a gift - or whether Abel is now going to have to dodge her attacks until he can get back into SAIA.
Wow Destania, you're the craziest twelve-year-old I've ever seen.
gurl u cray
I was kind of hoping that this, and her attacking Abel in SAIA, was part of a larger scheme.
Quote from: Sunblink on January 21, 2013, 08:14:50 AM
Wow Destania, you're the craziest twelve-year-old I've ever seen.
gurl u cray
I was kind of hoping that this, and her attacking Abel in SAIA, was part of a larger scheme.
We can hope. Here's to sanity - long may it sneak around where you can't see it! ;-]
Another odd reason I thought of why Destania has targeted Abel is a rather opportunist one and still a bit on the crazy side.
1.It would give her the chance of fully settling her grudge with Aniz.
2.By killing a cubi at the Inn, it takes the focus away from undesirable taking interest of the inn. Cubi killed by adventures and the reason for an elder dragon and their assassins to look into things drops dramatically.
Something else comes to mind...
If Des has 'cut herself off' from Cyra, and tri-wings are the 'rock' that a Clan is supported on, that might be part of the root cause for her instability.
From a different angle, Fa'lina did see some of this coming, and was willing to give Abel the choice to do something about it.
Now that the Band o' Brix has discovered that they may have been set up to assassinate cubi, they may be seeking authorities to turn themselves in to with full evidence of the research they've made thus far... which could introduce a whole other can o' worms to the scenario.
Not to mention that it's a big blank spot for the phoenix yet somehow one told them the information that sent them to Lost Lake... So, it's just getting messy AND real up in here.
Heckuva birthday present, though.
~Happy birthday, Dear Abel... Happy Birthday, to you... Happy Birthday, Dear Abel... how dead are you? How dead are you?~
Ah Destania... I guess you can be old as dirt and still be dumb as mud.
I'm not disappointed in Destania, from the mess that the Ti'Fiona history is, I assumed that someone who had more verve for revenge than common sense was meddling in the background.
Abel may be an odd duck and a snark, but ultimately he's not a bad (400 year old) kid. Destania's poor concept of revenge is going to come back to haunt her--- if I were Destania, what more delicious revenge could there be than turning the son of someone you hated into a staunch ally and friend?
Then again, that requires more of a cool mind than D seems to have--- it's probably something Fa'Lina would do.
You know, I think I feel sorry most of all for Cyra. She has one daughter, one of two living relatives, and she seems to deeply regret her actions from so long ago that killed most of her clan. She obviously does value family, and it seems she is not angry at the dragons (maybe a bit, but it seems to be more sympathic over the situation in Hishaan and the terrible fate of those that dwelt there before she tried to take over, if her speech in this comic is anything to go by: http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_1217.php).
And her daughter does not listen to her, cuts her out of her life, and is on a self destructive path that most likely will end in more tragedy. No wonder Cyra said she got so much happiness from simply talking to Dan for a short while (this comic here: http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_1214.php).
Something else to think about: Cubi, as a whole, are very emotional, and do have grudges, but they are also very much against destroying their own. Heck, Fa'Lina couldn't do anything besides bar Aniz from coming back to SAIA, even though he'd just caused a massive uproar and destroyed decades/centuries of work, because Taun would pitch a fit over Cubi turning against Cubi (this comic: http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Ab_009.php). And Fa'Lina wasn't even thinking of doing anything to Aniz herself, just turning him over to the proper authorities. Destania is outright trying to murder Abel; Taun is not going to be happy is her clan hears of that.
I think that Destania has just passed the point where there is no way she can become a likable character again.
With the X-Men Dark Phoenix Saga, they had a point where Jean Gray became the incredibly powerful Dark Phoenix and then blew up an inhabited planet. Somebody at a higher level then mentioned that they wanted to bring Jean Gray back to the team. As I understand it, the reaction of the editor was "Gee. I wish you had told us that before we had her blow up a planet and kill billions of people."
Of course, they did bring her back by arguing that the Jean Gray who blew up a planet was the equivalent of an "evil clone".
One possibility does present itself. Hizell and Destania trying to bring the Cubi-Dragon war to its final solution with Dan and Pyroduck (their sons) trying to stop them and make peace. A little bit of Romeo and Juliet with Pyroduck and Alexsis to add more impact. Lots of opportunities for heroic deaths.
Quote from: Naldru on January 21, 2013, 01:57:38 PM
I think that Destania has just passed the point where there is no way she can become a likable character again.
CHALLENGE ACCEPTEDEr...wait...was the challenge to make her likable again or is the challenge that
this is the point where she's past the point of no return? :U
Quote from: Naldru on January 21, 2013, 01:57:38 PM
One possibility does present itself. Hizell and Destania trying to bring the Cubi-Dragon war to its final solution with Dan and Pyroduck (their sons) trying to stop them and make peace. A little bit of Romeo and Juliet with Pyroduck and Alexsis to add more impact. Lots of opportunities for heroic deaths.
Or a tiny bit like Star Wars, although it isn't likely (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_692.php) Dan will end up kissing Alexsi. Darn it, now I want to see Pyroduck dressed as Han Solo, or Chewbacca, or both.
Wait Pyroduck isn't a shaved chewbacca with a tail??? MY WHOLE LIFE IS A LIE D:
Quote from: Amber Williams on January 21, 2013, 02:09:37 PM
Quote from: Naldru on January 21, 2013, 01:57:38 PM
I think that Destania has just passed the point where there is no way she can become a likable character again.
CHALLENGE ACCEPTED
Er...wait...was the challenge to make her likable again or is the challenge that this is the point where she's past the point of no return? :U
Oh, by all means go ahead and make her likeable again. I'm pretty sure that was the challenge. Really, you don't need to go out of your way to do the other thing, since prior evidence in regards to the development of morally-ambiguous-but-probably-evil-characters suggests you were going to do that anyway.
Quote from: Amber Williams on January 21, 2013, 02:09:37 PM
CHALLENGE ACCEPTED
Er...wait...was the challenge to make her likable again or is the challenge that this is the point where she's past the point of no return? :U
I challenge you to do both!
I challenge you to make he likable again, and to show us that this is not the point where she's past the point of no return! I even challenge you to make her worse/more evil than she already is, then make her redeemable somehow! >:3
Quote from: Wanderer on January 21, 2013, 04:37:04 PM
Quote from: Amber Williams on January 21, 2013, 02:09:37 PM
Quote from: Naldru on January 21, 2013, 01:57:38 PM
I think that Destania has just passed the point where there is no way she can become a likable character again.
CHALLENGE ACCEPTED
Er...wait...was the challenge to make her likable again or is the challenge that this is the point where she's past the point of no return? :U
Oh, by all means go ahead and make her likeable again. I'm pretty sure that was the challenge. Really, you don't need to go out of your way to do the other thing, since prior evidence in regards to the development of morally-ambiguous-but-probably-evil-characters suggests you were going to do that anyway.
Well, given that I still like her, and I'm likely not alone, that's an easy challenge.
Awww, Biggs is all sad that Dee destroyed his Number #1 Bro! mug.
Anyway, mad theory time: would Dee need to impersonate the Phoenix to make the prophecy that brought the BoB to the Inn. Maybe she blackmailed one of the Phoenix instead. We've seen that Dee can hide people (Aniz) and places (the Inn) from Phoenix sight, so maybe it is possible that she can permanently block a Phoenix's sight, or at least large portions of it. Of course, for this to work it has to be able to stick through the Phoenix's death. But if the previous theory is true, then it is possible that her attack on Abel is her getting some petty revenge while testing that a)her blackmail will actually work and b)if the Phoenix will rain any kind retribution down on her.
Quote from: Tapewolf on January 21, 2013, 02:33:25 AM
Well, that is disappointing. I really didn't think she'd be so stupid as to jeopardise her plans, her son and her own life by attacking Abel and therefore tipping off her enemies that she had a presence at Lost Lake.
I don't think Dan's going to be too happy when he finds out either.
"Did anything happen to Alexsi...?"
"She was nearly killed by assassins sent by your mother. The Dragons will now be tipped off to your existence and they will hunt you down like a dog."
EDIT:
Fa'Lina may have been right: http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_1330.php
I still have to wonder about Mertlitz. Since old-style Destania is behind this, it's entirely likely she offed him to make things more convincing, though there is the problem of Aliyka as well.
*Charline chuckles* Silly Tape! Mot cubi aren't anywhere near as clever as I am! You have no idea how many people I let live even though I utterly despise them because I need them for my plans! Like Charles, for instance! But once the plans are complete... heh heh heh!
*Charles feels a sudden chill* o_____o
Ok, I've been reading this webcomic since 2005, my second webcomic ever, and by far one of my favorites. But this is really the first time I ever thought to post. But I am just curious about what everyone else thinks about this page....is it just me or does Dee really, really have it in for Abel?
http://clockworkmansion.com/forum/index.php/topic,9323.0.html Most people have been discussing the most recent update in the thread I jsut linked.
~K. *: )
It is interesting that Destania and Biggs are plotting the downfall of the dragon race (I am very curious to Bigg's motivations for that...seems more like he'd be plotting against demons with the implications that Regina killed his mum...) and yet she seems content to keep in the dark about all her other machinations.
Quote from: latei on January 21, 2013, 08:00:10 PM
Awww, Biggs is all sad that Dee destroyed his Number #1 Bro! mug.
Anyway, mad theory time: would Dee need to impersonate the Phoenix to make the prophecy that brought the BoB to the Inn. Maybe she blackmailed one of the Phoenix instead. We've seen that Dee can hide people (Aniz) and places (the Inn) from Phoenix sight, so maybe it is possible that she can permanently block a Phoenix's sight, or at least large portions of it. Of course, for this to work it has to be able to stick through the Phoenix's death. But if the previous theory is true, then it is possible that her attack on Abel is her getting some petty revenge while testing that a)her blackmail will actually work and b)if the Phoenix will rain any kind retribution down on her.
Oh, that is a sneaky thought that makes alot of sense....and yet...even though she could easily take the form of a Phoenix...and I can picture her acting like that...how could they (The other Oracles) not notice her if she was at their enclave? Unless she hid herself from their sight well there, and hid the Adventurers too? So they came to see her, the other Oracles would not see any of them? Or was it a fake enclave? Oh, and I see people using 'BoB' in reference to the party that attacked Lost Lake...what does that mean? I can make some guesses but...
Blunt Object Brigade, B.O.B.
Quote from: Zebra Bug on January 22, 2013, 12:26:14 AM
It is interesting that Destania and Biggs are plotting the downfall of the dragon race (I am very curious to Bigg's motivations for that...seems more like he'd be plotting against demons with the implications that Regina killed his mum...) and yet she seems content to keep in the dark about all her other machinations.
It has been suggested that he's a Were. The truth of this is not known, but it has been said that Weres are mostly in hiding after their race was nearly exterminated and I wouldn't be entirely surprised if the dragons had a hand in that. So that's one possible explanation.
By the way, it might be a good idea to check through the rules - consecutive posts like that are considered bad form.
there's a bit of an issue with all this coming to light that has me wondering like with some...
Des seems to have impersonated a Phoenix (a) in order to set up her hit on Able .. (Union Rules as stated in an earlier comics would have made clear even if blackmailed A Phoenix (a) must give all incites in the form of a riddle/metaphor if in an official meaning. Seriously not even being able to tell a kid his ball is under the sink...)
That said.. and given how in doing so she has tarnished the image Oh the Phoenix(A) race in the eyes of those that won't understand the deception there.. (and really even if it is a blackmail issue this is still food for thought) She's likely truly wronged them at least one member or the entire race...
So.. When will the Phoenix(A) notable figure come for her.. Or given how somewhat insane she feels at this moment
(Naldru BTW I'm actually kinda with you at the moment ) has She already come by for tea.. and the one bit of knowlage abut the future you never want to be told.. telling.
There is no point in challenging Amber. As the author, she is omnipotent and omniscient with respect to Furrae. I was merely discussing the direction the plot seemed to be going.
I see the following as the main methods for converting Destania back into an anti-hero.
It isn't really Destania. Somebody else is pretending to be Destania. (like Dark Phoenix)
Destania is under the mind control of somebody really evil. (like Darth Vader and Palpatine)
Destania had secretly planned for the attack to fail and was pretending to be angry. (Xanotos gambit)
It was all a dream, (like Dallas)
Destania knows a secret about Abel that makes him a danger to all of Furrae. (If you knew a baby would grow up to become Hitler, would you kill him.)
Having Abel killed would advance some other plot that would serve the greater good. (like Dumbledore in Harry Potter expecting Harry to be killed going after he who must not be named)
I'm sure that there are others.
Quote from: KV1NN4 on January 22, 2013, 12:18:47 AM
http://clockworkmansion.com/forum/index.php/topic,9323.0.html Most people have been discussing the most recent update in the thread I jsut linked.
~K. *: )
Fixed.
Quote from: latei on January 21, 2013, 08:00:10 PM
Awww, Biggs is all sad that Dee destroyed his Number #1 Bro! mug.
Anyway, mad theory time: would Dee need to impersonate the Phoenix to make the prophecy that brought the BoB to the Inn. Maybe she blackmailed one of the Phoenix instead. We've seen that Dee can hide people (Aniz) and places (the Inn) from Phoenix sight, so maybe it is possible that she can permanently block a Phoenix's sight, or at least large portions of it. Of course, for this to work it has to be able to stick through the Phoenix's death. But if the previous theory is true, then it is possible that her attack on Abel is her getting some petty revenge while testing that a)her blackmail will actually work and b)if the Phoenix will rain any kind retribution down on her.
Technically, we've seen that _Cyra_ can hide people. Destania, not so much; as I recall it, she borrowed Cyra's power to shelter Aniz.
And we don't know what happened with the Phoenix; all we know is that Da' doesn't know, and it wasn't one of the Phoenices. Phoenixes. Whatever.
Which leaves a lot more wiggle-room than you might think.
Quote from: Naldru on January 22, 2013, 06:26:08 AM
There is no point in challenging Amber. As the author, she is omnipotent and omniscient with respect to Furrae. I was merely discussing the direction the plot seemed to be going.
I see the following as the main methods for converting Destania back into an anti-hero.
It isn't really Destania. Somebody else is pretending to be Destania. (like Dark Phoenix)
Destania is under the mind control of somebody really evil. (like Darth Vader and Palpatine)
Destania had secretly planned for the attack to fail and was pretending to be angry. (Xanotos gambit)
It was all a dream, (like Dallas)
Destania knows a secret about Abel that makes him a danger to all of Furrae. (If you knew a baby would grow up to become Hitler, would you kill him.)
Having Abel killed would advance some other plot that would serve the greater good. (like Dumbledore in Harry Potter expecting Harry to be killed going after he who must not be named)
I'm sure that there are others.
And the neat thing is that there isn't a single bit of evidence supporting any of them.
In my opinion, I don't think Destania has reached the point of no return in terms of her ability to be liked, at least not yet.
I mean sure, her actions seem over-emotional, rash, and just plain stupid, but considering that not only is she a Cubi, a race that's prone to lose control of their emotions, but also, as others have stated, Abel was related to Aniz, the object of her scorn, and she openly states that relation in this very strip.
And who knows? As someone else has stated, what seems like a stupid and petty revenge plot could have been part of a much greater scheme to deliberately draw attention to the Lost Lake Inn in order to bait the dragons and lure them into some sort of trap. I'm not sure what sort of trap it would be, but I wouldn't be surprised if someone as resourceful as Destania had a trick or two up her sleeves.
But I digress. Personally, I think the point of no return will be if she ever states that she never truly loved Edward or even her own son, that her entire mellowing out into a "loving mother" was just an act and that they were merely pawns in her greater scheme to eliminate the dragons. At that point I'll think she's an evil bitch witch who deserves to die.
Quote from: ChaosMageX on January 22, 2013, 01:05:33 PM
In my opinion, I don't think Destania has reached the point of no return in terms of her ability to be liked, at least not yet.
I mean sure, her actions seem over-emotional, rash, and just plain stupid, but considering that not only is she a Cubi, a race that's prone to lose control of their emotions, but also, as others have stated, Abel was related to Aniz, the object of her scorn, and she openly states that relation in this very strip.
And who knows? As someone else has stated, what seems like a stupid and petty revenge plot could have been part of a much greater scheme to deliberately draw attention to the Lost Lake Inn in order to bait the dragons and lure them into some sort of trap. I'm not sure what sort of trap it would be, but I wouldn't be surprised if someone as resourceful as Destania had a trick or two up her sleeves.
But I digress. Personally, I think the point of no return will be if she ever states that she never truly loved Edward or even her own son, that her entire mellowing out into a "loving mother" was just an act and that they were merely pawns in her greater scheme to eliminate the dragons. At that point I'll think she's an evil bitch witch who deserves to die.
Well, you are entitled to your opinion, but if she really pulled off a gambit 50 or so years long, I'd be friggin' impressed.
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Was that another of Aniz children Des got rid of?
Not likely, as she would have had the guy's kid offed as well on the off chance that the kid would grow up to be a Siar cubi.
Unless you consider a longer and even more twisted view: perhaps waiting until the child actually displayed cubi traits would be important? Or the idea that the child would turn out a 'dud' would be as good as killing? Or even that she wants to keep the bloodline alive for future killing needs?
Quote from: VAE on January 22, 2013, 01:51:08 PM
Well, you are entitled to your opinion, but if she really pulled off a gambit 50 or so years long, I'd be friggin' impressed.
Well, when compared to the typical lifespan of cubi, 50 years is practically nothing, and as other strips (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_1356.php) have indicated, creatures that live that long might have a penchant for creating schemes that can last several decades if not longer.
If Dark Pegasus can create a plan that takes decades alone to prepare, I wouldn't be surprised if Destania would do the same thing. For all we know Destania could have been planning this since before Abel was even born, since she probably knew it was Aniz's goal to have kids. It might have just happened that offing Abel fit snugly into her grand plan, and if he hadn't existed in the first place or had done something different that wouldn't have made offing him work to help accomplish her ultimate goals, she might have thought of an alternate way to move her grand plan forward.
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Quote from: VAE on January 22, 2013, 01:51:08 PM
Well, you are entitled to your opinion, but if she really pulled off a gambit 50 or so years long, I'd be friggin' impressed.
Well, when compared to the typical lifespan of cubi, 50 years is practically nothing, and as other strips (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_1356.php) have indicated, creatures that live that long might have a penchant for creating schemes that can last several decades if not longer.
If Dark Pegasus can create a plan that takes decades alone to prepare, I wouldn't be surprised if Destania would do the same thing. For all we know Destania could have been planning this since before Abel was even born, since she probably knew it was Aniz's goal to have kids. It might have just happened that offing Abel fit snugly into her grand plan, and if he hadn't existed in the first place or had done something different that wouldn't have made offing him work to help accomplish her ultimate goals, she might have thought of an alternate way to move her grand plan forward.
But, Dark Pegasus himself doing that was impressive. Besides, the length of the plan compared to lifespan isn't really the determining issue in hatching a plan of this sort - planning for longer periods of time becomes progressively harder and harder. Hell, if you want to do lifespan ratios, a solidly executed, complex plan which takes five years to a person is damn impressive too.
Destania has kind of always been one of the "evil teammates," alongside Kria and Biggs. Right now, she's working against the heroes; soon, she'll probably be on their side, and everyone will treat her with the same suspicion they always did. I mean, how many Beings has she tortured in her classes? How many folks must she have killed for Biggs if for no other reason? And she's still trying to wipe out the dragons, even if Pyroduck is probably exempt...
Quote from: VAE on January 22, 2013, 02:41:15 PM
Quote from: ChaosMageX on January 22, 2013, 02:31:23 PM
Quote from: VAE on January 22, 2013, 01:51:08 PM
Well, you are entitled to your opinion, but if she really pulled off a gambit 50 or so years long, I'd be friggin' impressed.
Well, when compared to the typical lifespan of cubi, 50 years is practically nothing, and as other strips (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_1356.php) have indicated, creatures that live that long might have a penchant for creating schemes that can last several decades if not longer.
If Dark Pegasus can create a plan that takes decades alone to prepare, I wouldn't be surprised if Destania would do the same thing. For all we know Destania could have been planning this since before Abel was even born, since she probably knew it was Aniz's goal to have kids. It might have just happened that offing Abel fit snugly into her grand plan, and if he hadn't existed in the first place or had done something different that wouldn't have made offing him work to help accomplish her ultimate goals, she might have thought of an alternate way to move her grand plan forward.
But, Dark Pegasus himself doing that was impressive. Besides, the length of the plan compared to lifespan isn't really the determining issue in hatching a plan of this sort - planning for longer periods of time becomes progressively harder and harder. Hell, if you want to do lifespan ratios, a solidly executed, complex plan which takes five years to a person is damn impressive too.
Hmmm, I guess that might be one of the reasons why HR people ask you where you see yourself in 5 years. How precisely you answer can help show them how impressive you are. >:3
But yeah, you're right, I'm not sure if there is any evidence to indicate Destania has had a precise plan that she's been executing for at least a decade, other than possibly reading between the lines of this strip. All of the actions she's done so far might have been based solely on her emotions.
However, if she does admit that her husband and her son were nothing more than pawns in a master plan to eliminate the dragons from Furrae, then that would make her impressive, since it means she's been planning this for at least as long as Dan has been alive, but it'll also make her a cold evil monster, at least in my book.
Quote from: Lying Foo on January 22, 2013, 02:50:34 PM
Destania has kind of always been one of the "evil teammates," alongside Kria and Biggs. Right now, she's working against the heroes; soon, she'll probably be on their side, and everyone will treat her with the same suspicion they always did. I mean, how many Beings has she tortured in her classes? How many folks must she have killed for Biggs if for no other reason? And she's still trying to wipe out the dragons, even if Pyroduck is probably exempt...
One of those things is not like the others. Wiping out the dragons does sound like an eminently reasonable goal, especially for a cubi.
Quote from: ChaosMageX on January 22, 2013, 03:11:58 PM
But yeah, you're right, I'm not sure if there is any evidence to indicate Destania has had a precise plan that she's been executing for at least a decade, other than possibly reading between the lines of this strip. All of the actions she's done so far might have been based solely on her emotions.
However, if she does admit that her husband and her son were nothing more than pawns in a master plan to eliminate the dragons from Furrae, then that would make her impressive, since it means she's been planning this for at least as long as Dan has been alive, but it'll also make her a cold evil monster, at least in my book.
It could also be something she came up with after marrying Edward. Suppose she does have feelings for him. Suppose also that she had a plan to eliminate the dragons by sacrificing Dan, but which would also preserve Edward wherever he's being kept. She could then recover Edward, have more babies, continue the clan, have her cake and eat it too, all by sacrificing one child.
Is it just me, or does Matilda's third eye look kind of... Derpy?
Quote from: Naldru on January 22, 2013, 06:26:08 AM
There is no point in challenging Amber. As the author, she is omnipotent and omniscient with respect to Furrae. I was merely discussing the direction the plot seemed to be going.
I see the following as the main methods for converting Destania back into an anti-hero.
It isn't really Destania. Somebody else is pretending to be Destania. (like Dark Phoenix)
Destania is under the mind control of somebody really evil. (like Darth Vader and Palpatine)
Destania had secretly planned for the attack to fail and was pretending to be angry. (Xanotos gambit)
It was all a dream, (like Dallas)
Destania knows a secret about Abel that makes him a danger to all of Furrae. (If you knew a baby would grow up to become Hitler, would you kill him.)
Having Abel killed would advance some other plot that would serve the greater good. (like Dumbledore in Harry Potter expecting Harry to be killed going after he who must not be named)
I'm sure that there are others.
My goodness, someone is perceptive and reads TV Tropes. Made my brain hurt. But they all make sense.
There is a chance that this could have been something Destiania has been working on since she was 'betrayed' by Aniz. It was the first time she'd ever been in love, and he spurned her. Her heart was broken, and she never was very 'nice' to begin with. He was the only one she let soften her as far as we know. She had massive motivation to get him back. Who knows just how deep she will play for revenge, even though he's already dead. By her husband's previous wife's doing no less. I wonder if that is why she married him to begin with?
After looking at your reply, I took the quiz and also came out white. I suppose that white also indicates over analysis. You will notice that I left out the options that have been threatened with instant transportation to the tin hat section, although I just realized that one of them came close. I wonder if Jyrras would also rank as white. (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_612.php) By the way, your reply also prompted me to look at what TV Tropes had on Dan and Mab. Boy, is that a wall of text.
Many cubi claim that they don't over-react. (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_538.php) I think that that strip not only illustrates the extent to which cubi can over-react, it also answers the question over whether somebody impersonating a phoenix could handle the flames. As for genocide, homicidal rage, and massive property destruction, one can always fall back on the cubi mantra: it seemed like a good idea at the time. (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_1207.php)
I don't know if Abel was actually engulfed in flame or if it was just meant as a sight gag though.
We're all assuming, so far, that Destania isn't lying (I don't see her motivation, but I suppose their could be one...). Just putting that out there.
I wonder if Destania was actually trying to do Abel a favor? She referred to the hit as a 'gift.'
Remember when she (posing as Devin's ghost) asked Abel if he was going to kill himself? And I could be reading things wrong, but I've noticed Abel has shown extremely depressive/borderline suicidal behavior. Heck, he even told Fa'lina that he didn't see any point to his life after his father died. Destania once said killing Abel would be a 'mercy.'
Maybe Destania is upset because she's thinking "Abel, you idiot! I gave you what you want/what's best for you! Why didn't you take it?"