Abel starts to see the problem with not making friends, you never know when you going to be hunted by adventurers for being the wrong species in the wrong place. At least the potential murdering has stopped, at least until Fae and dragon return.
Its probably just as well that the B.O.B ran against Abel first, another cubi might just rip them apart for the insult.
Well, there's still Gen. She's not party to any of this, so what happens when she returns is anyone's guess. She might come back with a lynch mob or something, and start the fighting up all over again.
However, it's good to see Nite actually do something sensible for a change and try to make sure that they've got the right person first. Because their previous approach was not helping their own reputation.
Obviously she's not going to sell out Dan any more than Abel would, but I find it interesting she's not willing to send them Dee's way. I suspect she just wants to get back to the fighting. 8)
It's funny, you never know which friendships are going to turn out to be the most valuable; Abel and Wildy never really got to know eachother very well.
I wonder what is Wildy's reputation is, and how valuable is it to her
Quote from: justacritic on August 17, 2012, 09:21:20 AM
I wonder what is Wildy's reputation is, and how valuable is it to her
A reputation of ferret pain. Very valuable for getting others to do what you want.
A sensible response might be to point out that if Abel was into murder, he'd have killed them when they attacked his boss.
Quote from: Tapewolf on August 17, 2012, 09:38:01 AM
A sensible response might be to point out that if Abel was into murder, he'd have killed them when they attacked his boss.
Is Wildy ever sensible, sensitive at times maybe..
Quote from: justacritic on August 17, 2012, 09:56:57 AM
Is Wildy ever sensible, sensitive at times maybe..
Abel could point that out himself, if he so chooses.
I wonder if banking her reputation might have other repercussions other then just the loss of it?
She certainly doesn't want to put it up there for Abel. Then again, Wildy is a very proud woman from what I've seen of her. Also Abel and Wildy don't really seem like friends and are more of acquaintances by friends.
So what does losing her reputation cause? Loss of her adventuring license? Being hunted down by BOB? Maybe having her picture being put in the dictionary next to the words of stupid, gullible and liar?
Quote from: joshofspam on August 17, 2012, 11:07:50 AM
So what does losing her reputation cause? Loss of her adventuring license? Being hunted down by BOB? Maybe having her picture being put in the dictionary next to the words of stupid, gullible and liar?
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Just like any profession, your reputation affects the jobs you can get, I'd assume. Permanent damage to one's adventuring reputation may severely limit who would be willing to hire them. Not to mention plenty of ridicule from other adventurers.
From a professional POV, it's reckless to bank your reputation on unknown factors. So while Wildy might trust him personally, she might not want to stake her entire career on someone she barely knows.
Hell, I'd instantly be more worried about my reputation than my own family, if I were in Wildy's situation! But she's a smart ferret, I'm sure she'll work around that.
Quote from: Sofox on August 17, 2012, 09:04:32 AM
It's funny, you never know which friendships are going to turn out to be the most valuable; Abel and Wildy never really got to know eachother very well.
i think they know each other well enough but don't really like each other all that much.
Quote from: TacticalError on August 17, 2012, 09:36:11 AM
Quote from: justacritic on August 17, 2012, 09:21:20 AM
I wonder what is Wildy's reputation is, and how valuable is it to her
A reputation of ferret pain. Very valuable for getting others to do what you want.
haha. That's a good one.
Man, too bad they're asking the one Lost Lake member who Abel literally started out his relationship with by a personal insult. Then again, I don't see Wildy as holding a grudge for that, or at least to the point where she's willing to let the B.O.B. kill him without standing up for him a little (haha, not as much as he'd hope for though).
I think the problem is with Abel and Wildy is that, from what I can tell at least, Abel still doesn't understand her very well. One of his first impressions of her was the book incident, and so after that I think her personality has come off more to him as pointlessly abrasive or tactless (as opposed to selectively abrasive/tactless, like figuring out his orientation because Jyrras was crushing on him and not just "need to find random gay dude for Jyrras hookup").
My point being, Wildy clearly has a deeper side to her that Abel doesn't really understand. Maybe after this incident it'll come out a little more to him, depending on what she says next. Man, this is one of those updates that makes me really want to see the next one, and this one isn't even finished yet! This chapter is super engaging.
Quote from: Lying Foo on August 17, 2012, 08:18:32 AM
Obviously she's not going to sell out Dan any more than Abel would, but I find it interesting she's not willing to send them Dee's way. I suspect she just wants to get back to the fighting. 8)
since Edward Ti'Fiona was just a being, if Wildy sells out Destania as a cubi, Dan's secret would be out too. since Cubi genetics dominate (http://www.missmab.com/Demo/HG02.php).
Wildy could redirect them after Aaryanna fairly easily, i think. not only did Aaryanna live at Lost Lake long enough to count, but Abel ought to be able to find Merlitz's note (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_668.php). Which would let them know, at the very least, that Merlitz had left the Lost lake area well before word of his death reached the B.O.B.
Quote from: mithril on August 17, 2012, 01:48:57 PM
Wildy could redirect them after Aaryanna fairly easily, i think. not only did Aaryanna live at Lost Lake long enough to count, but Abel ought to be able to find Merlitz's note (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_668.php). Which would let them know, at the very least, that Merlitz had left the Lost lake area well before word of his death reached the B.O.B.
If dated, that would open up the can of worms that they saw Merlitz at the inn after his disappearance. If they find out Abel was impersonating him, that's not going to look at all good in terms of 'I didn't kill him'.
Quote from: mithril on August 17, 2012, 01:48:57 PM
since Edward Ti'Fiona was just a being, if Wildy sells out Destania as a cubi, Dan's secret would be out too. since Cubi genetics dominate (http://www.missmab.com/Demo/HG02.php).
So? She doesn't even need to tell them that Destania has a son, let alone that her son is Dan.
More seriously, though, it's probably because she grew up knowing Destania, and doesn't want to sell her out either, if she even knows how likely she is to be the culprit. I doubt she thinks it's Aary, though, because it's too much a stretch to say Aary is "from Lost Lake."
Quote from: Tapewolf on August 17, 2012, 02:37:28 PM
Quote from: mithril on August 17, 2012, 01:48:57 PM
Wildy could redirect them after Aaryanna fairly easily, i think. not only did Aaryanna live at Lost Lake long enough to count, but Abel ought to be able to find Merlitz's note (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_668.php). Which would let them know, at the very least, that Merlitz had left the Lost lake area well before word of his death reached the B.O.B.
If dated, that would open up the can of worms that they saw Merlitz at the inn after his disappearance. If they find out Abel was impersonating him, that's not going to look at all good in terms of 'I didn't kill him'.
It's a double edged blade, but would works as a last resort. But if merlitz did not put the date on his note, then abel can lie about when merl left.
Quote from: Lying Foo on August 17, 2012, 02:44:39 PM
So? She doesn't even need to tell them that Destania has a son, let alone that her son is Dan.
That might not help. The impression I get is that if the Dragons got a whiff that Destania may have been at Lost Lake at any point in the last 20 years, they'd interrogate and kill everyone in the surrounding area just to get some idea of where she might have gone since. Fa'Lina has strongly hinted at such in pages 1329 and 1330.
That's probably why Abel has said he's the only one - because mentioning any other 'Cubi at all could potentially implicate Destania or Dan. Aary being one of Destania's favourites, after all.
this "is Abel a murderer" could all be solved by pointing out his blood-phobia... though i don't think Wildy knows about that. Jy might i think. and even if he didn't, he's pretty well-known and all, i'm sure his word carries at least SOME weight, and i'm sure he'd put in a good word for Abel.
Quote from: KiloFoxx on August 17, 2012, 08:57:15 PM
this "is Abel a murderer" could all be solved by pointing out his blood-phobia... though i don't think Wildy knows about that. Jy might i think. and even if he didn't, he's pretty well-known and all, i'm sure his word carries at least SOME weight, and i'm sure he'd put in a good word for Abel.
Lots of ways to kill without blood getting everywhere, Abel even offered Merlitz one option. (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_585.php)
I wonder how well the B.O.B. know of Jyrass Gianna?
He could easily pop up and proclaim to stake his reputation on Abel, possibly even state he's his body guard or something. Would help smooth things over if they thought of him as some sort of authority figure.
I just don't know if Jyrass is Furrae's Steve Jobs or Bill Gates yet. Hopefully never their 'Lord of War' though.
Quote from: Gamma on August 17, 2012, 10:35:21 PM
I wonder how well the B.O.B. know of Jyrass Gianna?
He could easily pop up and proclaim to stake his reputation on Abel, possibly even state he's his body guard or something. Would help smooth things over if they thought of him as some sort of authority figure.
I just don't know if Jyrass is Furrae's Steve Jobs or Bill Gates yet. Hopefully never their 'Lord of War' though.
seeing as his "bachelor of the year" status grants him Zinivh protection, i'd say it's the B.O.B.s JOB as adventurers to know who he is.
not even taking into account all his inventions should make him pretty well-known.
hell, even if convincing them to stop DOSN'T work, all he'd have to do is stand between them and Abel. they can't touch him because of the Zinivh protection.
and now that i think of it, it'd make perfect sense to claim Abel as his bodyguard. he was seen entering his house and staying overnight, and he's FROM Zinivh initially. it'd be a perfectly logical conclusion that HE'S the protection that Zinivh gave him.
now that i think of THAT, bodyguard could be a good job for a 'cubi to get... they can shapeshift, so they'd have no problem at all blending into crowds, they don't need to eat, drink or sleep, able to maintain a 24/7 vigil. hmm... if trained to fight properly and NOT let his emotions take over, i bet a 'cubi would make an AMAZING bodyguard.
oh.. and the thought-reading. get a jump on malicious intent and all...
Quote from: KiloFoxx on August 18, 2012, 05:16:05 AM
now that i think of THAT, bodyguard could be a good job for a 'cubi to get... they can shapeshift, so they'd have no problem at all blending into crowds, they don't need to eat, drink or sleep, able to maintain a 24/7 vigil. hmm... if trained to fight properly and NOT let his emotions take over, i bet a 'cubi would make an AMAZING bodyguard.
oh.. and the thought-reading. get a jump on malicious intent and all...
I'd bet some of Taun's (apostrophe necessary?) clan would find employment there. If the client was another long-lived creature, that could be a well-paying and long lasting job.
Quote from: Gamma on August 17, 2012, 10:35:21 PM
I wonder how well the B.O.B. know of Jyrass Gianna?
He could easily pop up and proclaim to stake his reputation on Abel, possibly even state he's his body guard or something. Would help smooth things over if they thought of him as some sort of authority figure.
I just don't know if Jyrass is Furrae's Steve Jobs or Bill Gates yet. Hopefully never their 'Lord of War' though.
While it seems like some know of Jyrras, it seems more like those who do are of either of the busness dealings with his products or those possibly considering him to be a potential threat.
He's obviously been toying with the idea's of new weapons and that's not surprising if you consider he was probably already friends with Dan during Dan's first encounter with Regina. Though he's keeping a good many of his inventions a secret and that might be for the best for now.
But that might also mean his importance in the view of the adventurers might be significantly less then Bill gates and might be closer to Cal Worthington and his dog Spot. Though maybe Jyras might be far enough along in his research to have a revolver and magic resistant bullets by now or something.
Abel may have found some degree of Wildy's favor, but that is a mixed blessing based on her interactions with her other buddies.
IMHO It's not about the value of her reputation but her desire to barter/negotiate. She's always working some kind of angle.
I agree with KilFoxx, a Cubi bodyguard would be a good bodyguard. Especially for those that don't like having an obvious "ordinary guys in suits just following you" protection detail. Could even help improve the Cubi reputation as valuable employees. Instead of being just soul eating assassins to be killed on sight <.<;
here i'm thinking that an adventures reputation is on the the few things more valuable then their lives. an adventures reputation will exist long after they are gone a record of their deeds and accomplishments that if they are lucky will stand the test of time and make them known centuries later like our Beowulf our Hercules. it is a simply statement of "this is who i am and this is what i did" kind of thing Remember Dan said her Earned that "friend of barmaids "reputation/title just like all the others meaning that to him is was an accomplishment worth noting.
From what Amber's mentioned, money only gets you so far - reputation can be more valuable.
In any case, these guys almost became 'the adventurers who murdered an innkeeper'...
EDIT:
Quote from: e_voyager on August 18, 2012, 07:30:17 PM
Remember Dan said her Earned that "friend of barmaids "reputation/title just like all the others meaning that to him is was an accomplishment worth noting.
Also "Daniel Ti'Fiona - Puncher of Females"
Quote from: Gamma on August 17, 2012, 10:35:21 PM
I just don't know if Jyrass is Furrae's Steve Jobs or Bill Gates yet. Hopefully never their 'Lord of War' though.
I lol'd so hard at this :mowcookie
Quote from: Tapewolf on August 18, 2012, 07:53:04 PM
Quote from: e_voyager on August 18, 2012, 07:30:17 PM
Remember Dan said her Earned that "friend of barmaids "reputation/title just like all the others meaning that to him is was an accomplishment worth noting.
Also "Daniel Ti'Fiona - Puncher of Females"
If I remember correctly, that particular achievement wasn't one he was enthusiastic about.
Quote from: TacticalError on August 19, 2012, 01:51:28 AM
If I remember correctly, that particular achievement wasn't one he was enthusiastic about.
Yes, it's an example of a bad adventurer reputation.
i Don't remember that strip at all.... but while looking for it i did discover this one (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_1115.php) which made me wonder about merlitz again.
Quote from: e_voyager on August 19, 2012, 11:21:29 AM
i Don't remember that strip at all.... but while looking for it i did discover this one (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_1115.php) which made me wonder about merlitz again.
This one? http://missmab.com/Comics/Vol_894.php
...a guard? That seems like a funny hangup for an adventurer in this world...
Quote from: Lying Foo on August 19, 2012, 12:25:43 PM
...a guard? That seems like a funny hangup for an adventurer in this world...
Well Dan is just starting out as an adventurer, so he's bound to start learning that certain rules in polite society don't apply every time to the situations that an adventurer will face.
Then again, polite society can be veiwed as nothing more then a conferting illusion that falls apart when someone who falls outside its veiws inters the picture.
It's weird to think of it this way, but if Aniz hadn't been killed previously, Abel might have been doing some murdering on this very day. I mean, obviously he wouldn't have killed Merlitz either way, but if he were able to and had gone through with his plan, Wildy would be in trouble if she had said yes. After all, they're asking her to bank her reputation on his status as a murderer, and not just on his responsibility for this specific one.
It's a moot point, but kind of interesting to think about - especially if you then wonder if Abel would have been able to go through with it had he had the option.
Quote from: Nino on August 20, 2012, 01:57:34 AM
It's weird to think of it this way, but if Aniz hadn't been killed previously, Abel might have been doing some murdering on this very day. I mean, obviously he wouldn't have killed Merlitz either way, but if he were able to and had gone through with his plan, Wildy would be in trouble if she had said yes.
To most adventurers, Aniz was basically a monster(*) and had a price on his head with Zinvth and possibly Jin as well. That should therefore count as adventuring rather than murder, something Nitemyst couldn't easily counter without also saying that he and his group are serial murderers.
(*)Personally, I still say insanity should be a defence
Abel HAS been at school the last 380-or-so years... and judging from Destania's reaction "He actually LEFT???" he dosn't leave much, if at all. other than murdering another 'cubi at SAIA (which i'm sure would aquire untold wrath from Fa'Llina) Abel hasn't exactly been in a position to murder ANYone. and he's been pretty much always accounted for at Lost lake. i think it's VERY safe to say he hasn't murdered anyone yet.
Quote from: KiloFoxx on August 20, 2012, 04:29:28 AM
other than murdering another 'cubi at SAIA (which i'm sure would aquire untold wrath from Fa'Llina)
I very much doubt she'd have allowed it at all. It may have been his plan to leave when Aniz left and ambush him outside (assuming SAIA has a single drop-off point).
QuoteAbel hasn't exactly been in a position to murder ANYone. and he's been pretty much always accounted for at Lost lake. i think it's VERY safe to say he hasn't murdered anyone yet.
It may be that he still thinks he killed Devin... hard to say.
Quote from: Nino on August 20, 2012, 01:57:34 AM
It's weird to think of it this way, but if Aniz hadn't been killed previously, Abel might have been doing some murdering on this very day. I mean, obviously he wouldn't have killed Merlitz either way, but if he were able to and had gone through with his plan, Wildy would be in trouble if she had said yes. After all, they're asking her to bank her reputation on his status as a murderer, and not just on his responsibility for this specific one.
It's a moot point, but kind of interesting to think about - especially if you then wonder if Abel would have been able to go through with it had he had the option.
They're vigilantes. Although without an immediate threat it would be considered murder in our world, that kind of "murder" is what they, and Dan and Wildy, do. It's what they've
come here to do. With all Aniz is done, they wouldn't use the word.
(Corollary: They won't use it for whoever kills Destania, either.)
Quote from: Lying Foo on August 20, 2012, 09:15:25 AM
Quote from: Nino on August 20, 2012, 01:57:34 AM
It's weird to think of it this way, but if Aniz hadn't been killed previously, Abel might have been doing some murdering on this very day. I mean, obviously he wouldn't have killed Merlitz either way, but if he were able to and had gone through with his plan, Wildy would be in trouble if she had said yes. After all, they're asking her to bank her reputation on his status as a murderer, and not just on his responsibility for this specific one.
It's a moot point, but kind of interesting to think about - especially if you then wonder if Abel would have been able to go through with it had he had the option.
They're vigilantes. Although without an immediate threat it would be considered murder in our world, that kind of "murder" is what they, and Dan and Wildy, do. It's what they've come here to do. With all Aniz is done, they wouldn't use the word.
(Corollary: They won't use it for whoever kills Destania, either.)
There's another interesting point to think on this.
Being the competent investigator adventurer she is and living/fighting with some creatures might give her an idea of just how BOB will take this coarse to it's conclusion. She might be worried about the competence of these other Adventurers.
After all, the Phoenix only said "lost lake" and not "lost lake inn" and if Ducky gives out riddled answers ussually, that would probably go double for the Phoenix's as well. If they jumped conclusions there, what's to stop them from making more later?
Quote from: joshofspam on August 20, 2012, 02:42:12 PM
If they jumped conclusions there, what's to stop them from making more later?
As said by the subtext in this http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_1274.php (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_1274.php) strip, jumping to conclusions and the well known "
shoot swords first, questions later" is standard adventurer practice (doubly so with a group with the nickname "The Blunt Object Brigade"). In fact, I'd say it's standard being practice with regards to creature activities. Slightest bit of evidence that might incriminate a creature, pitchforks and torches follow.
There is no doubt in my mind that any adventurer, Dan and Wildy included, has killed a number of more or less innocent Creatures. But the killing of Beings by Demons, Dragons, and Cubi doesn't seem to even bother the Beings who know the killers, let alone their own more peaceful brethren, as long as they don't already know the victim or get their own hands dirty, so I see no need for the adventurers to get too hung up about collateral damage. It's a tough world. (http://missmab.com/Comics/Vol_1298.php)
Quote(doubly so with a group with the nickname "The Blunt Object Brigade")
In all fairness, the only one who has called them that in-universe is Abel. On the other hand, attacking the owner of an inn
at her establishment who also happens to be the child of a former adventurer (how well known was Edward?) is probably not going to help their future reputations much. The adventurer's guild won't care much that they attacked Abel. But it might care very much that they attacked Alexsi.
Quote from: Pvblivs on August 21, 2012, 02:11:03 AM
In all fairness, the only one who has called them that in-universe is Abel. On the other hand, attacking the owner of an inn at her establishment who also happens to be the child of a former adventurer (how well known was Edward?) is probably not going to help their future reputations much. The adventurer's guild won't care much that they attacked Abel. But it might care very much that they attacked Alexsi.
Not only that, but she's the sister of Daniel Ti'Fiona, a renown adventurer who is fiercely protective of his sister. It wouldn't compromise Dan to mention that Abel was assigned to protect her while Dan was off on a quest, and they'll be in deep doo if he's told they tried to murder her.
that they would be but is it know that Dan's mother is a know succubus? and can Dan kill them for that or what that make him a wanted person on the monster list?
Quote from: e_voyager on August 22, 2012, 03:45:03 AM
that they would be but is it know that Dan's mother is a know succubus? and can Dan kill them for that or what that make him a wanted person on the monster list?
DP knows. AFAIK, most people seem to have assumed Destania and Dan are Beings of Angel descent, though. She may not have hidden her backwings, but the headwings were probably only known to her family.
Another dimension to the Being vs Creature thing is environment. People like Abel or Dan, born in a Being area with wings and brought up as a Being seem to be accepted as 'a Being with wings'. Moving into a new area could make things ugly, and it's not known how the locals would have reacted had Abel lived undisturbed in his home village for 50 years and not aged.
Likewise, a Creature-run territory is not going to care much about Creatures unless they cause trouble and at the same time, Beings seem to get a reasonable deal out of it.
So if i understand what you're saying that Destania was a succubus was not well known aside form those adventures whom Edward stopped from attacker her the day they met. i was thinking about Alexi's story and you're right that Dan's flashback to Dark Pegasus's reaction when he found out that Dan was Destania's son was part of what was on my mind. What does AFAIK mean btw?
(Gah my grammar was horrible there. i know i was just in from work and sleepy but wow. spellchecker aside i'm surprised some of the sentience i write when i'm tired are even barely remediable. )
Quote from: e_voyager on August 22, 2012, 06:20:02 AM
So if i understand what you're saying that Destania was a succubus was not well known aside form those adventures whom Edward stopped from attacker her the day they met.
Pretty much. I'm sure I remember Amber saying at one point that they assumed she was a Being with Angel blood in her ancestry.
In any case, Dan has gone unmolested for long enough so far, that maintaining the impression to his fellow adventurers that he's mostly Being shouldn't be too hard. After all, Wildy basically did that with Cale. No-one needs to know the reason he's not around and Dan prefers to hide his headwings anyway.
Quotei was thinking about Alexi's story and you're right that Dan's flashback to Dark Pegasus's reaction when he found out that Dan was Destania's son was part of what was on my mind. What does AFAIK mean btw?
As Far As I Know.
At the very least, however many people around Lost Lake knew better, Edward was officially married to a Being named Desiree Star (http://missmab.com/Comics/Vol_1194.php). ("The Star that shines...")
I really would love to see the context for Dark Pegasus realizing Dan is Destania's son, though...
here in dan's flash back (http://missmab.com/Comics/Vol_388.php) and here when Dan was trying to kill Regina (http://missmab.com/Comics/Vol_981.php)
...I said context.