I'm not sure where Mab found Pyroduck a spacesuit in the first place, but I love the accommodation for his tail.
Also note that his life support pack seems to be modified to fit his wings! Otherwise it would be painful to wear!
That really looks great, I mean wow that takes the most impressive slide award of DMFA! Holy- You really know how to draw planets and moons from space amber!
Anyhow, sciencenitpicktime!
1. sound can't travel in space. Of course this is no problem with radio communicators, (from 1 suit to the other) But with someone wearing no spacesuit, that wouldn't work. I guess you could get around this with magic, but meh.
(Nobody can hear you scream Pyro :mwaha )
2. If we are already speaking of magic, Dragons, in fact possibly most other creatures should be powerful enough magic-wise to not need a spacesuit.
3. I wasn't aware tech like that existed outside of Jy's labs, let alone public use, but I guess pyro could have "borrowed" the suit...
4. the curvature of the moon seems a bit too extreme, It would only make sense if the mood was the size of a small asteroid, but then it wouldn't be spherical.
5. Oh and the shadows don't make sense, because if the other moon is shadowed like that, it would mean that Mab's and pyro's shadow should be elongated.
Quote from: Ignuus66 on June 11, 2012, 05:15:03 AM
Anyhow, sciencenitpicktime!
Mab: "I'm Ignuus66 and I nitpick everything!"
I just noticed the reflection on the space suit visor and thought it was a neat detail. I do wonder if Mab 'borrowed' the space suit from another reality.
All I can say is - sarcastic Mab for the win!
Quote from: Ignuus66 on June 11, 2012, 05:15:03 AM
Anyhow, sciencenitpicktime!
1. sound can't travel in space. Of course this is no problem with communicators, (aka spacesuit to other space suit) But with someone wearing no spacesuit, I guess you could get around this with magic, but meh.
(Nobody can hear you scream Pyro :mwaha )
Mab would be able to hear him scream. She might choose to ignore it though. :P
Quote from: Plotting on June 11, 2012, 06:40:32 AM
Quote from: Ignuus66 on June 11, 2012, 05:15:03 AM
Anyhow, sciencenitpicktime!
1. sound can't travel in space. Of course this is no problem with communicators, (aka spacesuit to other space suit) But with someone wearing no spacesuit, I guess you could get around this with magic, but meh.
(Nobody can hear you scream Pyro :mwaha )
Mab would be able to hear him scream. She might choose to ignore it though. :P
or she might be the cause >:3
Three moons? Then does that mean a triple chance for rare celestial phenomena involving lunar bodies occurs?
Actually all three planetoids we see here (two moon and planet) suggest different direction to sun.
These are the things I love about this comic. Quirky, colorful, and cute with a dash of awesome. Also Mab XD
Maybe Mab is making a barrier with air with her magic or maybe space works like Star Wars in their universe who knows its cute and I love it :3
The only thing that surprised me was the space suit. Those things are expensive and for P ducky to get one on short notice means that space adventures happen often.
Quote from: Madmann135 on June 11, 2012, 10:11:05 AM
The only thing that surprised me was the space suit. Those things are expensive and for P ducky to get one on short notice means that space adventures happen often.
With Mab around, it's prolly best to be insanely prepared...
And dang... Here I thought Mab would be babbling while P ducky is freezing/frying AND gasping for air, then she'd lampshade the fact that there's no air and shouldn't be able to hear him complaining anyway.
But then, I'm just cruel.
other realities aside Furrie does have advanced air travel technology
Wow...that's so Mabbish.
Though now two heavy hitters are away from the inn, that can't be good if some super powerful baddies want to make a visit to this inn.
All questions and nitpickery can be answered by the simple reminder that Mab's a Fae.
Very true. but i was thinking of the weasel that got sucked in the airplane some strips back
edit i found the comic http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_263.php
everyone be quiet
it's space
let me enjoy this.
Quote from: e_voyager on June 11, 2012, 01:16:17 PM
Very true. but i was thinking of the weasel that got sucked in the airplane some strips back
It was very early in the comic when the "non canon" times reigned, so I'm pretty sure that does not count as canon, mainly due to the lack of the necessity to invent methods of flight, same can be said for weaponry beyond the flintlock.
As with the suit, I'm guessing he borrowed it from jy's lab from the "space for beings" section, or Mab stole from some other dimension, or just magicked it up.
The reason I don't really think that there are space suits if furrae, is that like other techs left behind, there is no requirement, as the financing of making such a suit would be null, as the only thing a simple one can be used for is easily accomplished by creatures, and it's not required for every day life.
What I still don't get is why pyro NEEDS a space suit, Dragons are very capable when it comes to magic, I'm sure the can create a contained Air bubble with equalized air pressure inside, keep it heated, and shield themselves from radiation. Perhaps even Merlizt (with enough preparation) can create a space bubble, not to mention any trained Creature.
Basically the only other problem would be the sun being too bright, but I don't think that's a really hard thing to get around.
hmmm... dangerous levels of physics and logic, dangerous levels. there's been warnings of that
and yet nobody has theorized that the moons, being small, may be low enough orbit they are technically inside the atmosphere, even if theres not enough air to, you know, breathe.
loko into it- one of the only reasons a planet the size of earth is inhabitable is its large moon, a planet of earth size would normally have enough atmosphere that the psi on the surface would crush fleshy humans, the oversized moon skimmed exess atmosphere off to reduce it to a less crushing level. a planet with smaller moons would need them to be closer/more of them in order to skim off enough to be not-crushing levels of air
Wow, talk about Chekhov's Gun! From a background knick-knack on Fa'Lina's bookcase to this. Whee! Take a bow, Amber. Well played, well played.
Assuming that the orrery is to scale, then the distance from whichever moons are shown in this strip to Furrae looks about right. The curvature of the horizon for the moonlet they're standing on is probably a bit extreme, but I really don't know. Nor do I know how to calculate that. From the orrery, I would assume that the moons are all of a size somewhere between Mimas and Ceres; i.e., not very large, so it may be right. In any event, it looks good. :-)
As for Pyroduck wearing a space suit, and Mab not, I'd say that Mab's just showing off. I figure she simply materialized the space suit around Ducky when they got there. 'Course, if the info I got from the Wiki is right, there may be an active colony on this moon, so they could have gotten the suit from there. That Mab doesn't need one shows that she's Just That Good. :-) She's decided on her form for this time, and no mere environmental condition like a hard vacuum is going to affect it. Could Pyroduck do the same thing? Maybe. It's hard to say; we haven't seen him do any magic that I can recall. Besides, why use the energy if you don't have to? The suit works well enough, and he may need his power for something else. Space is a very dangerous environment, and all sorts of things can go wrong.
BTW, I like the fact that we can't see Pyroduck's face through his faceplate. Hollywood never gets that right, nor do most other media. But a real space suit's faceplate is pretty much a one-way mirror when in the sun. The sun is BRIGHT outside of the Earth's (or Furrae's) atmosphere.
The only real oops I saw in this was the inconsistent lighting. But, meh. It's not worth worrying about. This isn't "Schlock Mercenary"; I doubt Amber is going to be setting many scenes in outer space. :-)
I admit lighting in space is not something that is my forte. :cry If anyone wants to try to redline me where the shadows are likely supposed to be falling, I'd be likely capable of adjusting the comic so that it's more appropriate.
OK I register just to help here. The way I see it there are two options, I have no idea which would be easier.
- First is to assume the lighting on Mab any Pyroduck is correct. in which case the light is coming from above them. Then the visible section of the planet would be night so dark and glowing towns and cities. (Well those with street lighting at least.) Also the moon in the background would be more light and to the top right rather than the bottom left.
- Otherwise if the lighting on the planet is assumed to be right and Mab and Pyroduck are lit similarly to panel two and three then the light is going into the screen slightly to the top left. This means they would be casting long shadows away from the viewer to the top left. Also the moon in the background would almost fully lit except the top left (i.e. the opposite of what we have now.)
Actually the second option is probably easier but the first option has more awesome. Also all of this is assuming the sun is far away like earths. A small sun, as close in as the moons (like the Orrery seemed to suggest) wrecks all of this and I can't figure how to do it easily.
I wonder why Mab and Wildy call it "the" moon if there are three....
Guess it could be that the other two are named, ....
It's space guys, just roll with it.
Amber, art of space is like most other arts: light comes from one direction. Just the shading is rather stark (light sun half, black dark half). Multiple suns do make things interesting here, but then it's like two flashlights where you get two circles and the overlap part is extra bright.
Brun: atmosphere cannot crush us, because we breathe. This is why we can do the scuba. Gravity however can crush us but atmosphere accounts for pitifully little mass here. Though if the gravity was higher we may have just evolved differently to begin with...
I think - assume sun being somewhere lower-back, Pyro being lighted by reflected light from planet, not by sun.
It's probably only way to make things making sense without redrawing Pyro or planet.
Or just leave things as they are with some fae-related handwaving.
Quote from: Brunhidden on June 11, 2012, 04:24:19 PM
hmmm... dangerous levels of physics and logic, dangerous levels. there's been warnings of that
and yet nobody has theorized that the moons, being small, may be low enough orbit they are technically inside the atmosphere, even if theres not enough air to, you know, breathe.
look into it- one of the only reasons a planet the size of earth is inhabitable is its large moon, a planet of earth size would normally have enough atmosphere that the psi on the surface would crush fleshy humans, the oversized moon skimmed excess atmosphere off to reduce it to a less crushing level. a planet with smaller moons would need them to be closer/more of them in order to skim off enough to be not-crushing levels of air
OK first of all, the moons are NOT small (2 of them ARE spherical) ,If they were inside the Atmosphere, even slightly, the gravitational pull would slowly pull the planet apart, but what's even more possible is that the moons would slowly spiral inward, because the gravitational tug defeats the centrifugal force, and thus, collision of catastrophic effects (wiping out 70% of life on the planet would be the best case scenario of !1! Charon sized planet colliding with the earth.)
Also the 2 main reasons Moons are beneficial for life is because
A.)
They cause the Axis to not wobble so much, without a moon, the poles might cause the tropical region to be a tundra at times, and other times to be a scorching hot desert. this would wreck large life, ocean currents, and wind/rainfall patterns.
B.) Asteroid shield: All the craters on the moon (the bigger ones at least) were possible asteroid collisions it defended us from.
C.) Helped slow Earth's rotation down, this made winds less extreme, and other such stuff. Not really required, but helpful non theless
The thing with atmosphere crushing humans is completely false. The moon is so far away that when you leave even the outermost region of the Atmosphere you are not even 1/10Th the way there.
I'm a complete space nut if you must know
(http://cdn.gamerant.com/wp-content/uploads/Skyrim-Portal-Mod-Space-Sphere.jpg)
Quote from: Jasonrevall on June 11, 2012, 09:23:50 AMMaybe Mab is making a barrier with air with her magic or maybe space works like Star Wars in their universe who knows its cute and I love it :3
She's a fae and doesn't need air.
Quote from: joshofspam on June 11, 2012, 12:33:42 PM
Though now two heavy hitters are away from the inn, that can't be good if some super powerful baddies want to make a visit to this inn.
Wildy and Alexsi are still there.
Quote from: Ignuus66 on June 12, 2012, 07:55:27 AM
Quote from: Brunhidden on June 11, 2012, 04:24:19 PM
hmmm... dangerous levels of physics and logic, dangerous levels. there's been warnings of that
and yet nobody has theorized that the moons, being small, may be low enough orbit they are technically inside the atmosphere, even if theres not enough air to, you know, breathe.
look into it- one of the only reasons a planet the size of earth is inhabitable is its large moon, a planet of earth size would normally have enough atmosphere that the psi on the surface would crush fleshy humans, the oversized moon skimmed excess atmosphere off to reduce it to a less crushing level. a planet with smaller moons would need them to be closer/more of them in order to skim off enough to be not-crushing levels of air
OK first of all, the moons are NOT small (2 of them ARE spherical) ,If they were inside the Atmosphere, even slightly, the gravitational pull would slowly pull the planet apart, but what's even more possible is that the moons would slowly spiral inward, because the gravitational tug defeats the centrifugal force, and thus, collision of catastrophic effects (wiping out 70% of life on the planet would be the best case scenario of !1! Charon sized planet colliding with the earth.)
Also the 2 main reasons Moons are beneficial for life is because
A.)
They cause the Axis to not wobble so much, without a moon, the poles might cause the tropical region to be a tundra at times, and other times to be a scorching hot desert. this would wreck large life, ocean currents, and wind/rainfall patterns.
B.) Asteroid shield: All the craters on the moon (the bigger ones at least) were possible asteroid collisions it defended us from.
C.) Helped slow Earth's rotation down, this made winds less extreme, and other such stuff. Not really required, but helpful non theless
The thing with atmosphere crushing humans is completely false. The moon is so far away that when you leave even the outermost region of the Atmosphere you are not even 1/10Th the way there.
I'm a complete space nut if you must know
(http://cdn.gamerant.com/wp-content/uploads/Skyrim-Portal-Mod-Space-Sphere.jpg)
This. All the this.
Also does seeing Furrae from space possibly hint at a map showing up some time in the future? :U
Quote from: Ignuus66 on June 11, 2012, 05:15:03 AM
1. sound can't travel in space. Of course this is no problem with radio communicators, (from 1 suit to the other) But with someone wearing no spacesuit, that wouldn't work. I guess you could get around this with magic, but meh.
Technically, sound just needs some kind of atmosphere. Just because you can't see an atmosphere on those "moons" doesn't mean there isn't a very thin one. her voice wouldn't travel very well, but it still would travel.
Quote from: Ignuus66 on June 11, 2012, 05:15:03 AM
That really looks great, I mean wow that takes the most impressive slide award of DMFA! Holy- You really know how to draw planets and moons from space amber!
Anyhow, sciencenitpicktime!
1. sound can't travel in space. Of course this is no problem with radio communicators, (from 1 suit to the other) But with someone wearing no spacesuit, that wouldn't work. I guess you could get around this with magic, but meh.
(Nobody can hear you scream Pyro :mwaha )
2. If we are already speaking of magic, Dragons, in fact possibly most other creatures should be powerful enough magic-wise to not need a spacesuit.
3. I wasn't aware tech like that existed outside of Jy's labs, let alone public use, but I guess pyro could have "borrowed" the suit...
4. the curvature of the moon seems a bit too extreme, It would only make sense if the mood was the size of a small asteroid, but then it wouldn't be spherical.
5. Oh and the shadows don't make sense, because if the other moon is shadowed like that, it would mean that Mab's and pyro's shadow should be elongated.
There is, perhaps, trying to help someone grow as an artist, and then there is just shoving your knowledge in everyone's face. This, I think, would be the latter.
Does this qualify as Mab and Ducky doing the Moonwalk? :P
Though I still find it suspicious that the party is happening for a guy who is most likely on the top of a dragons hit list and that said dragon's son is being pulled away from the party by a Fae that we know has her own hidden motivations while a group of assassins hunting cubi are on the loose.
That's quite a distance to cover if the assassins do strike the Inn or if Mab is up to something. I'm beginning to wonder if Mab is truly as innocent as she appears to be here. I guess we'll see if something will happen during or after it.
Quote from: Amber Williams on June 11, 2012, 07:42:15 PMIf anyone wants to try to redline me where the shadows are likely supposed to be falling, I'd be likely capable of adjusting the comic so that it's more appropriate.
Quote from: Nocturne of Night on June 11, 2012, 11:54:43 PMAmber, art of space is like most other arts: light comes from one direction. Just the shading is rather stark (light sun half, black dark half). Multiple suns do make things interesting here, ...
While there's likely one sun (we haven't heard otherwise yet) giving the strongest light and sharp shadows, we do also have the planet and other moons reflecting lesser light from their daylight sides. While standing on the planet side of a moon between planet and sun would put you on the dark side, it wouldn't be totally dark, as you'd have the reflected light of the planet (looking fairly substantial here) giving less sharp shadows in the dim light.
Eh, I kind of agree with Icarus and a few others.
I think it's all good and we have so much more to think about. Like how did they get up here? Is Ducky going to be proved wrong about the cake? Is Mab or Ducky going to have a case of space madness? Will Abel get his cake or a knife in his back? Will Wily trade in her dream for blue wings and go with cookies and cream?
Will mab Bring Jyrras a rock from the moon because she knows he likes that kind of thing?
will they find a Fae bakery on one of the others moons?
will they come back without a cake because there were only burger places on the two other moons and no bakers?
For these and other interesting question stay tuned!
"Oh, hi, Mab! Have you found a moon cake? Too bad you missed the awesome birthday party we had yesterday"
Mua ha ha.
Quote from: Amber Williams on June 11, 2012, 07:42:15 PM
I admit lighting in space is not something that is my forte. :cry If anyone wants to try to redline me where the shadows are likely supposed to be falling, I'd be likely capable of adjusting the comic so that it's more appropriate.
As one or two others have pointed out, lighting in space is pretty much like lighting on Earth or Furrae, except that there is no atmosphere to blur things. So shadows will be very sharp and very black. But if you want my two cents worth, here goes:
First, I assume that Furrae is properly lit. That should simplify things quite a bit, I would think. Given that assumption, the background moon's lighting needs to be swapped so that it's being lit from the same direction. I.e., the light crescent should be the dark grey, while the dark gibbous area should be the light grey. From that we can determine the direction of the primary light source, the sun. Off panel to the right, slightly down, and behind the viewer. (If it was coming straight in off the right side, the moon would be equally bright and dark.) So Pyroduck's shadow should be elongated, and to his back and right (to the left of the panel). Mab's shadow can be anything she wants. :-) The little shadows in the foreground craters should be bright instead of dark, since they're sunlit.
The other main light source is sunlight reflected from Furrae itself. Given how close to the planet we are in this picture, Furraelight is going to be quite bright. Not sun bright certainly, but bright enough. I would guess that it's bright enough for Pyroduck to cast a second shadow, towards his front. Given the wide angle that Furrae subtends, I would also guess it's going to be a fairly blobby sort of shadow. (Can you tell I'm not a graphics artist? My descriptions suck...) The Furraelight is also going to light the shadows that Mab and Pyroduck cast from the sunlight. so they won't be stark black.
Now, all that said, I would like to re-iterate that I think that your outer-space frames are quite nice; I really like them. I grew up reading authors like Andre Norton, Robert Heinlein, Isaac Asimov, and so on, and this sort of thing just makes me all tingly. :) The lighting is really the only nit I can pick. Anyway, there you have my contribution. I hope you find it useful.
"It is beautiful to watch the colored shadows on the planets of eternal light."P.S. It just occurred to me that the background moon should actually be casting a shadow on the surface of Furrae. But from what I can guess of the angles, it would be off the top of the panel.
P.P.S. I would dearly love to see the orbital dynamics of Furrae and its three moons, but does anyone
really want to try to calculate that? I sure don't! :) (And before anyone else can say it:
NERD!!!)
First off, I just want to say that this comic has far exceeded all expectations I've had. Just the random threat of the moon from the previous page I just found awesome. But this has put it over the top :D.
As for the discussion about shadows and whatnot. I thought that I might be able to help with this crude thing I whipped up in blender.
(http://i.imgur.com/UZdT0.png)
It turns out you have a lot of leeway with how the shadows go depending on where the sun is. I made a best guess of it above.
If anyone else wants to have a go the blend file is here (http://www.mediafire.com/?4o5bybam74plb9j).
Quote from: Lurkie on June 13, 2012, 03:26:12 PM
First, I assume that Furrae is properly lit. That should simplify things quite a bit, I would think. Given that assumption, the background moon's lighting needs to be swapped so that it's being lit from the same direction. I.e., the light crescent should be the dark grey, while the dark gibbous area should be the light grey. From that we can determine the direction of the primary light source, the sun. Off panel to the right, slightly down, and behind the viewer.
Going by the (fairly small) visible portion of the planet, there's a wider range of possible locations for the sun.
Quote from: AmigaDragon on June 14, 2012, 10:08:14 PM
Quote from: Lurkie on June 13, 2012, 03:26:12 PM
First, I assume that Furrae is properly lit. That should simplify things quite a bit, I would think. Given that assumption, the background moon's lighting needs to be swapped so that it's being lit from the same direction. I.e., the light crescent should be the dark grey, while the dark gibbous area should be the light grey. From that we can determine the direction of the primary light source, the sun. Off panel to the right, slightly down, and behind the viewer.
Going by the (fairly small) visible portion of the planet, there's a wider range of possible locations for the sun.
Oh yes, I quite agree. Which is why I chose to use the
moon's lighting, rather than the planet's, as the guide to the direction of the sun. Even then, there's a fair range of uncertainty in the direction of the sun. But the lighting for what we can see of Furrae will be okay if the moon's lighting is okay. Of course, if Amber decides that
Pyroduck's shadow is correct, then everything I've typed is worng. :-)