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Title: PS VITA- Castlevania: Souls of Sorrow (Cover Artwork Box)
Post by: DjRunza on April 13, 2012, 10:09:47 AM
(http://i1153.photobucket.com/albums/p501/djrunza/Castlevania-SOSboxart.jpg)

Complete cover box artwork or Incomplete cover box artwork. Any suggestions and opinions? Please, feel free to comment this Not-So-Complete cover box artwork of mine that I've just done recently when I was in a boredom in a while ago. What say you? :)
Title: Re: PS VITA- Castlevania: Souls of Sorrow (Cover Artwork Box)
Post by: Mao on April 13, 2012, 10:47:05 AM
Uh, I'm not sure if this is a spam bot or not.  I hate it when I can't tell.  Though, upon looking this guy up on DA he's got a journal with this exact same text and a link in it...(that I'm not going to click)
Title: Re: PS VITA- Castlevania: Souls of Sorrow (Cover Artwork Box)
Post by: Ignuus66 on April 13, 2012, 10:51:09 AM
Quote from: Mao Laoren on April 13, 2012, 10:47:05 AM
Uh, I'm not sure if this is a spam bot or not.  I hate it when I can't tell.
I call spam bot, he only has 1 post and the spelling is perfect. Usually having no spelling errors of any kind (not even a missed capital or comma) means bot if you are not sure. It usually works for Identifying chat bots vs non chat bots.

Also if he does not reply to defend himself, it usually means a bot. (ofc the best bots call themselves human, but the simple bots don't.), and his sentence structure is not like somone would use in a forum post, even a professional one.  Also I use also too much.

Edit: seems he is a newbie, not sure yet.
Title: Re: PS VITA- Castlevania: Souls of Sorrow (Cover Artwork Box)
Post by: DjRunza on April 13, 2012, 11:00:00 AM
Hey Castlevania fans! I am so sorry about this post because I'm a newbie here and I can't even upload any pictures over here too. So how am I suppose to add an image from my desktop to show you guys my cover artwork box? So sorry once again guys. :( Hope you guys can help me out.
Title: Re: PS VITA- Castlevania: Souls of Sorrow (Cover Artwork Box)
Post by: Ignuus66 on April 13, 2012, 11:08:13 AM
in the bar above the smilies there is a row, hover the mouse above each of them, and when the text says "insert image" click it and when the text (img) and (/img) it's actually [ and  ] not ( and )
place the image url inside of the 2 

(img)*place image url here* (/img)
Title: Re: PS VITA- Castlevania: Souls of Sorrow (Cover Artwork Box)
Post by: Corgatha Taldorthar on April 13, 2012, 11:14:06 AM
To clarify what Ignus said, you can't upload an image here directly from your hard drive, you need to link to one uploaded somewhere around the net.


I recommend photobucket, it's free and easy to use for image hosting.
Title: Re: PS VITA- Castlevania: Souls of Sorrow (Cover Artwork Box)
Post by: DjRunza on April 13, 2012, 11:43:38 AM
YES!! I've just done it! Lol thank you so much guys! I really do appreciate. ^^ So what do you think about the cover artwork of mine that I've just done recently. :D
Title: Re: PS VITA- Castlevania: Souls of Sorrow (Cover Artwork Box)
Post by: Ignuus66 on April 13, 2012, 01:33:59 PM
it's alright, I dislike the "USA only" part :P
Title: Re: PS VITA- Castlevania: Souls of Sorrow (Cover Artwork Box)
Post by: DjRunza on April 13, 2012, 01:44:09 PM
Lol thank you Ignus! unfortunately, I couldn't erase the part where it says "USA only" simply because I was actually downloaded the PS Vita cover box from VGboxart.com. And I wish I could erase that as well. Plus, Castlevania: Souls of sorrow which is a fan-made by myself and was created for the purpose of supporting and bringing back our old beloved gameplay system of Castlevania 2D back to our Castlevania fans exclusively for PS Vita or Nintendo 3DS instead. I've already made a fanfictions storyline with dialogue conversation scenes for this game in my deviantART artwork pictures from Chapter 1 to Chapter 3. Here's the link for Chapter 1. http://djrunza.deviantart.com/gallery/#/d4v2rfa Hope you will like it and have more interest as you read it. ^^

Soma Cruz and his friends stands together once again, to defeat Death and Orlox before Lord Dracula is fully revive. And i want to see some really surprising storyline for the next game for Castlevania in PS VITA.

Surprise scene:
- Genya Arikado finally reveal himself as Alucard.
- Soma Cruz becoming more stronger when he turn himself into
an evil personality.
- An old man and an old women. There are the two old warriors
whom had fought Lord Dracula once before. Old Jonathan
Morris and Old Charlotte Aulin join the battle with Soma's
team!
- Lord of all Castlevania, Dracula finally made his appearance in
Castlevania 'Sorrow's' third series and prepare for the final
decisive battle! For the first time ever in all Casltevania
history, this time players must defeat Dracula 4 times! Finish
him once and for all!

Of course, once this is over, peace and victorious always prevail. :D
Title: Re: PS VITA- Castlevania: Souls of Sorrow (Cover Artwork Box)
Post by: Gabi on April 13, 2012, 02:56:15 PM
The cover looks good, but I tried to read the description and gave up before the end because the grammar was too painful. >_< Sorry.
Title: Re: PS VITA- Castlevania: Souls of Sorrow (Cover Artwork Box)
Post by: DjRunza on April 13, 2012, 03:13:04 PM
Quote from: Gabi on April 13, 2012, 02:56:15 PM
The cover looks good, but I tried to read the description and gave up before the end because the grammar was too painful. >_< Sorry.

Lol I'm so sorry for that because this image won't allow me to zoom it until you can see it. Here's the more clearer and more details for you to be able to understand fully about the description.

Castlevania: Souls of Sorrow's plot of the storyline:
Ever since the incident of the Demon Castle War in 1999, Lord Dracula had finally defeated for good by the hands of the Belmont clan. The world has finally be at peace. However, in a year of 2038 which taking place 2 years after the incident of the Solar Eclipse and the Dark Lord candidates, is a year where Soma cruz and his dear friends, stands once again to face the final battle against the two Castlevania's own favorite Immortal villains, Death and Olrox. They are the only one left and they who attempt to rule the Castlevania after Lord Dracula's demise. Peace and victorious must be prevail forever! There is only one hope, one destiny and one twist of fate. Prepare for the FINAL chapter of Castlevania Sorrow's third series!

I've already made a fanfictions storyline with dialogue conversation scenes for this game in my deviantART artwork pictures from Chapter 1 to Chapter 3. Here's the link for
Chapter 1 (The Twist of Fate)- http://djrunza.deviantart.com/gallery/#/d4v2rfa

Chapter 2 (Uninvited Guest)- http://djrunza.deviantart.com/#/d4v6a2g

Chapter 3 (Awakening)- http://djrunza.deviantart.com/#/d4w06ku

Chapter 4 is in progression currently. Stay Tune! ;) Hope you really enjoy it and have more interest as you read it. Cheers! ^^
Title: Re: PS VITA- Castlevania: Souls of Sorrow (Cover Artwork Box)
Post by: WhiteFox on April 13, 2012, 08:31:15 PM
The copy text on the bx cover is full of grammatical errors and garbled sentences.

"Ever since Dracula had finally defeated..." This should be "had finally been defeated," or "was finally defeated," or some such.
"...the world is finally be at peace." Delete.
"However, in a year of 2038..." Should be "the."
"...is a year where..." Delete.
"Soma Cruz and his dear friends, stands once again" "Stands" would be correct in the singular, ie.: if Soma were the only one who stands, but since it refers to Soma and his friends it should be plural, ie: Soma and his friends stand." Also, the comma just before it should probably be taken out.

You get the idea. The whole block of text could use a proper revising.

The three characters on the back cover are rendered in very different art styles and the characters on the front look "squeezed" horizontally, presumably to fit them all in... it sticks out.

Quote from: Ignuus66 on April 13, 2012, 11:08:13 AM
...it's actually [ and  ] not ( and )...
You might like this: the "code" tag makes text appear in a post as-is, so tags within are unconverted. It's handy for showing people how to use them.

For example:

strikethrough, underline, color.

Horizontal rule:


Smiley substitutions: >:3 :/  :cry :rolleyes


[s]strikethrough[/s], [u]underline[/u], [color=blue]color[/color].

Horizontal rule: [hr]

Smiley substitutions: >:3 :/ :cry :rolleyes


(Disclaimer: Excessive formatting can be annoying, please tag responsibly.)
Title: Re: PS VITA- Castlevania: Souls of Sorrow (Cover Artwork Box)
Post by: DjRunza on April 14, 2012, 03:31:47 AM
Quote from: WhiteFox on April 13, 2012, 08:31:15 PM
The copy text on the bx cover is full of grammatical errors and garbled sentences.

"Ever since Dracula had finally defeated..." This should be "had finally been defeated," or "was finally defeated," or some such.
"...the world is finally be at peace." Delete.
"However, in a year of 2038..." Should be "the."
"...is a year where..." Delete.
"Soma Cruz and his dear friends, stands once again" "Stands" would be correct in the singular, ie.: if Soma were the only one who stands, but since it refers to Soma and his friends it should be plural, ie: Soma and his friends stand." Also, the comma just before it should probably be taken out.

You get the idea. The whole block of text could use a proper revising.

The three characters on the back cover are rendered in very different art styles and the characters on the front look "squeezed" horizontally, presumably to fit them all in... it sticks out.

Quote from: Ignuus66 on April 13, 2012, 11:08:13 AM
...it's actually [ and  ] not ( and )...
You might like this: the "code" tag makes text appear in a post as-is, so tags within are unconverted. It's handy for showing people how to use them.

For example:

strikethrough, underline, color.

Horizontal rule:


Smiley substitutions: >:3 :/  :cry :rolleyes


[s]strikethrough[/s], [u]underline[/u], [color=blue]color[/color].

Horizontal rule: [hr]

Smiley substitutions: >:3 :/ :cry :rolleyes


(Disclaimer: Excessive formatting can be annoying, please tag responsibly.)

Hello there WhiteFox, thank you so much for the feedback and urge to tell me which of the words that I should delete and change it. I really appreciate it. Do you have any idea which part at the back cover that I should change or delete it? Honestly speaking, I don't even have any idea what to do with the back cover especially the layout of the three characters, Death, Soma and Olrox and the words there. :( By the way, would you love to read my idea of storyline for this game that I've made recently? It's a fan-fiction storyline and surprisingly, quite a lot of Castlevania fans are actually following up my storyline and find it very interesting to them which I'm very happy about it. I've done from Chapter 1 - Chapter 3 and Chapter 4 is still in progression currently. I would be more happier if you would like to read my storyline and give your own feedback about it. Hehe *grin*
Title: Re: PS VITA- Castlevania: Souls of Sorrow (Cover Artwork Box)
Post by: Ignuus66 on April 14, 2012, 06:17:56 AM
Doesn't that count as advertising  :B ?
Title: Re: PS VITA- Castlevania: Souls of Sorrow (Cover Artwork Box)
Post by: DjRunza on April 14, 2012, 06:44:06 AM
Quote from: Ignuus66 on April 14, 2012, 06:17:56 AM
Doesn't that count as advertising  :B ?

Ahaha I don't know. But the whole point is to just showing you about my own idea of storyline for this game. I would be more happier if you would like to read my storyline and give your own feedback about it. Hehe *grin*
Title: Re: PS VITA- Castlevania: Souls of Sorrow (Cover Artwork Box)
Post by: WhiteFox on April 14, 2012, 03:35:46 PM
Quote from: DjRunza on April 14, 2012, 03:31:47 AMDo you have any idea which part at the back cover that I should change or delete it?
Um. Pretty well every sentence has four or five major grammar errors. It would take me a few hours to comment the whole thing.

Quote from: DjRunza on April 14, 2012, 03:31:47 AMHonestly speaking, I don't even have any idea what to do with the back cover especially the layout of the three characters, Death, Soma and Olrox and the words there. :(
Quote from: DjRunza on April 14, 2012, 03:31:47 AM
Well... I don't have any idea either. It's your box art, after all.

Quote from: DjRunza on April 14, 2012, 03:31:47 AM
By the way, would you love to read my idea of storyline for this game that I've made recently?
Not really, no. If it were a proper story, I might be convinced to give it a shot, but this is just a script. For a videogame.

Besides, I'm pretty ambivalent about the "Sorrow" games. Most of my experience was with Castlevania IV, Dracula X, and Castlevania 64... most of the games after those were pale in comparison. Not that they were bad, mind you, just that IV and 64 were awful hard acts to follow.

My favourite boss was Slogra.
Title: Re: PS VITA- Castlevania: Souls of Sorrow (Cover Artwork Box)
Post by: DjRunza on April 14, 2012, 04:08:43 PM
Quote from: WhiteFox on April 14, 2012, 03:35:46 PM
Quote from: DjRunza on April 14, 2012, 03:31:47 AMDo you have any idea which part at the back cover that I should change or delete it?
Um. Pretty well every sentence has four or five major grammar errors. It would take me a few hours to comment the whole thing.

Quote from: DjRunza on April 14, 2012, 03:31:47 AMHonestly speaking, I don't even have any idea what to do with the back cover especially the layout of the three characters, Death, Soma and Olrox and the words there. :(
Quote from: DjRunza on April 14, 2012, 03:31:47 AM
Well... I don't have any idea either. It's your box art, after all.

Quote from: DjRunza on April 14, 2012, 03:31:47 AM
By the way, would you love to read my idea of storyline for this game that I've made recently?

Ahaha I see, neah it's alright, don't worry about it. Plus, you should start playing Sorrow games and those Sorrow games are actually really fun to play! Man, speaking about the old Castlevania games, Castlevania IV and Castlevania SOTN are always my most favorites Castlevania games ever since I was a little kid back then. Lol XD
Not really, no. If it were a proper story, I might be convinced to give it a shot, but this is just a script. For a videogame.

Besides, I'm pretty ambivalent about the "Sorrow" games. Most of my experience was with Castlevania IV, Dracula X, and Castlevania 64... most of the games after those were pale in comparison. Not that they were bad, mind you, just that IV and 64 were awful hard acts to follow.

My favourite boss was Slogra.
Title: Re: PS VITA- Castlevania: Souls of Sorrow (Cover Artwork Box)
Post by: WhiteFox on April 14, 2012, 10:53:13 PM
Quote from: DjRunza on April 14, 2012, 04:08:43 PM
Ahaha I see, neah it's alright, don't worry about it. Plus, you should start playing Sorrow games and those Sorrow games are actually really fun to play!
Only three problems with that.

First, writing and drawing comics takes up all my time. I mean, ten hours a day minimum. Pretty much the only other thing I do is write critique for other people, and watch My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic.

Second, I'm blind in one eye, and have a few blind spots in the other. I get eyestrain very easily, because just the one eye is doing the work of two. Staring at a computer monitor is fatiguing enough, even under ideal conditions, but staring at the tiny screen of a hand held device for any significant length of time is paramount to stabbing myself in the eye with a red hot poker.

Third, I spent about fifteen years of my life heavily addicted to videogames. I bombed out of college, lost two jobs and a girlfriend, and let my diabetes spiral out of control (which is why I'm now blind in one eye, and my kidneys "probably look like wet tissue paper," as my endocrinologist put it). I had to do no less than quit gaming cold turkey, and to this day I have absolutely nothing good to say about any of it. After several years, I'm still trying to straighten my life out.

I'd rather not get into a debate about that last point, by the way, I end up ranting.
Title: Re: PS VITA- Castlevania: Souls of Sorrow (Cover Artwork Box)
Post by: DjRunza on April 15, 2012, 12:15:26 PM
Quote from: WhiteFox on April 14, 2012, 10:53:13 PM
Quote from: DjRunza on April 14, 2012, 04:08:43 PM
Ahaha I see, neah it's alright, don't worry about it. Plus, you should start playing Sorrow games and those Sorrow games are actually really fun to play!
Only three problems with that.

First, writing and drawing comics takes up all my time. I mean, ten hours a day minimum. Pretty much the only other thing I do is write critique for other people, and watch My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic.

Second, I'm blind in one eye, and have a few blind spots in the other. I get eyestrain very easily, because just the one eye is doing the work of two. Staring at a computer monitor is fatiguing enough, even under ideal conditions, but staring at the tiny screen of a hand held device for any significant length of time is paramount to stabbing myself in the eye with a red hot poker.

Third, I spent about fifteen years of my life heavily addicted to videogames. I bombed out of college, lost two jobs and a girlfriend, and let my diabetes spiral out of control (which is why I'm now blind in one eye, and my kidneys "probably look like wet tissue paper," as my endocrinologist put it). I had to do no less than quit gaming cold turkey, and to this day I have absolutely nothing good to say about any of it. After several years, I'm still trying to straighten my life out.

I'd rather not get into a debate about that last point, by the way, I end up ranting.

WhiteFox, I'm so sorry to hear that. Why don't you go to any hospital nearby your house area and let the doctor check out your eyes or something. I'm pretty sure that there's a right medicine for you to actually cure your eyestrain and blind spot simultaneously. One of my friends had the same problem before as you facing it now, and he eventually get back to normal already. I guess here's one of the solutions for you in order to resist from your eyestrain. Don't look at the computer screen for too long. As for you, the maximum time to look at computer screen is just from 10-20 minutes before it getting more worse or something. Take a very good rest WhiteFox and please drink plenty of water. That is very important as you may know it. Hope it can cure your eyes as soon as possible. Cheers! :D
Title: Re: PS VITA- Castlevania: Souls of Sorrow (Cover Artwork Box)
Post by: WhiteFox on April 16, 2012, 02:51:56 AM
I appreciate the concern, but the blindness is permanent. The retinas are detached in the blind eye, and there's just no currently known way to reattach them. I had a vitrectomy (WARNING: icky) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vitrectomy) back in '08, but it was unsuccessful, so the eye was pretty much a complete write off.

I see an ophthamologist (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opthalmology) four times a year for laser coagulation (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laser_photocoagulation) treatments, so I don't lose the other eye to proliferative diabetic retinopathy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diabetic_retinopathy#Proliferative_diabetic_retinopathy_.28PDR.29.28or_PDRP.29). I'm currently in very good hands, medically.

As for the eyestrain, believe me, I have plenty of methods for dealing with that by now. So don't worry about me.

We're getting off topic, tho, what with this being the forum for art/writing discussion... I really should let you get back to writing/editing. :3
Title: Re: PS VITA- Castlevania: Souls of Sorrow (Cover Artwork Box)
Post by: Ignuus66 on April 16, 2012, 10:00:28 AM
Quote from: WhiteFox on April 16, 2012, 02:51:56 AM
I appreciate the concern, but the blindness is permanent.
Permanent is such a... strong word

http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/209178/Miracle-eye-implant-restores-sight-to-blind

Wait 15 years and you might be able to see again!
Title: Re: PS VITA- Castlevania: Souls of Sorrow (Cover Artwork Box)
Post by: justacritic on April 16, 2012, 12:32:36 PM
Well there's always hope for the future, and believe me I'm hoping like crazy.

Anyway there is one thing that strikes me as odd in the box art, that green figure on the back of the box. It just seems rather out of place and bluntly looks like a shopped image. Everything else looks rather fine but that green glow just doesn't match the color scheme of the box.
Title: Re: PS VITA- Castlevania: Souls of Sorrow (Cover Artwork Box)
Post by: DjRunza on April 16, 2012, 01:11:54 PM
Quote from: WhiteFox on April 16, 2012, 02:51:56 AM
I appreciate the concern, but the blindness is permanent. The retinas are detached in the blind eye, and there's just no currently known way to reattach them. I had a vitrectomy (WARNING: icky) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vitrectomy) back in '08, but it was unsuccessful, so the eye was pretty much a complete write off.

I see an ophthamologist (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opthalmology) four times a year for laser coagulation (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laser_photocoagulation) treatments, so I don't lose the other eye to proliferative diabetic retinopathy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diabetic_retinopathy#Proliferative_diabetic_retinopathy_.28PDR.29.28or_PDRP.29). I'm currently in very good hands, medically.

As for the eyestrain, believe me, I have plenty of methods for dealing with that by now. So don't worry about me.

We're getting off topic, tho, what with this being the forum for art/writing discussion... I really should let you get back to writing/editing. :3

Ahaha your welcome WhiteFox. Neah, I'm cool. I wouldn't mind at all if you would like to have a conversation with me over here or in FaceBook or somewhere else. Now I'm currently thinking and what to write for my upcoming Chapter 4. I really hope that my storyline does actually happen in a future Castlevania and who knows that my work will get recognize from those top people in the gaming graphic world. I shall promise to all Castlevania fans about this game that would be way more better than Castlevania: Symphony of the Night and other Castlevania games as well. Heh heh heh XP
Title: Re: PS VITA- Castlevania: Souls of Sorrow (Cover Artwork Box)
Post by: DjRunza on April 16, 2012, 01:15:22 PM
Quote from: justacritic on April 16, 2012, 12:32:36 PM
Well there's always hope for the future, and believe me I'm hoping like crazy.

Anyway there is one thing that strikes me as odd in the box art, that green figure on the back of the box. It just seems rather out of place and bluntly looks like a shopped image. Everything else looks rather fine but that green glow just doesn't match the color scheme of the box.

Exactly justacritic, that's what most of the people said to me about Olrox. I couldn't even find any high-quality picture of Olrox unless KONAMI or IGA actually draw him up with high-quality picture instead of this type of image of him though. Thank you so much for the feedback justacritic, I really appreciate it. I shall upgrade the cover box and re-upload it in here. :)
Title: Re: PS VITA- Castlevania: Souls of Sorrow (Cover Artwork Box)
Post by: Mao on April 16, 2012, 01:30:02 PM
So, other than photoshop the images in and write the text, you didn't really do any of the work here, did you?  :-/
Title: Re: PS VITA- Castlevania: Souls of Sorrow (Cover Artwork Box)
Post by: DjRunza on April 16, 2012, 01:36:28 PM
Quote from: Mao Laoren on April 16, 2012, 01:30:02 PM
So, other than photoshop the images in and write the text, you didn't really do any of the work here, did you?  :-/

Lol yes, unfortunately I didn't even have the ability to actually draw a character or an object. And I don't even have the "Drawing Skills" ability too. I really wish I'm good in drawing. Sad right? :'( Unless if you could help me to draw some new bad-ass villain characters in my fan-made game and storyline of Castevania: Souls of Sorrow. I would be more happier if you would like to read my storyline and give your own feedback about it. So far, I've already done Chapter 1 until Chapter 3 and Chapter 4 still in under progression currently. Hehe :P
Title: Re: PS VITA- Castlevania: Souls of Sorrow (Cover Artwork Box)
Post by: Ignuus66 on April 16, 2012, 03:44:18 PM
Quote from: Mao Laoren on April 16, 2012, 01:30:02 PM
So, other than photoshop the images in and write the text, you didn't really do any of the work here, did you?  :-/
to be frank, most newbie's start out by frankensteining a picture together, though I did mot, I know many people who did... OFC it usually isn't copy pasting the entire image in, it's taking parts of things and placing them in...

I'd reccomending working a bit on changing the people so they don't exactly look like you just tore them out of somewhere  :B
Title: Re: PS VITA- Castlevania: Souls of Sorrow (Cover Artwork Box)
Post by: WhiteFox on April 16, 2012, 04:36:56 PM
Quote from: Ignuus66 on April 16, 2012, 10:00:28 AM
Wait 15 years and you might be able to see again!
I can see. Just... only in one eye. I have 20/20 in my "good" eye, and I have half decent depth perception thanks to focal blur. Apart from fatigue, the only real inconvenience is a lack of peripheral vision.

Quote from: DjRunza on April 16, 2012, 01:36:28 PM
I really wish I'm good in drawing. Sad right? :'(
Most people would say, "well then, learn how to draw." I, on the otherhand, believe that not everyone has the drive to spend the ten years of full time study required to get started.

So, all I ask is, please don't make idle wishes about something that people have committed their entire lives to pursuing.

On the other hand, if you do want to learn, take your best shot and post the attempt here. We'll give what advice we can.

Failing that... I charge very reasonable rates. :3

Quote from: DjRunza on April 16, 2012, 01:36:28 PMI would be more happier if you would like to read my storyline and give your own feedback about it.
Runza, I feel I should point out that you have already gotten feedback from several people here already. If you want more advice, I'd suggest making revisions to what you've already posted before asking for further comments, or posting something new for comment.
Title: Re: PS VITA- Castlevania: Souls of Sorrow (Cover Artwork Box)
Post by: Turnsky on April 17, 2012, 12:25:08 AM
I'm gonna just say my piece here, since another person's point of view may be required.

Quote from: WhiteFox on April 16, 2012, 04:36:56 PM
Most people would say, "well then, learn how to draw." I, on the otherhand, believe that not everyone has the drive to spend the ten years of full time study required to get started.

So, all I ask is, please don't make idle wishes about something that people have committed their entire lives to pursuing.

Ten years of study to even start? That's a bit much, it actually doesn't take that long to 'learn' how to draw. It's like with anything, you don't start out that great, but hey, you're learning and you'll generally make leaps and bounds within the first one or two years, which is commonly how long most art classes last here from a curriculum standpoint.
HOWEVER. one does not need study to learn how to draw, the will to do so and resourcefulness to find the right guides for that path may be all you need
.
I'm not saying Whitefox here is wrong, but he certainly isn't right either, this is his opinion, as this is mine, you'll find that all artists can be quite the opinionated bunch when it comes to their craft. You'll find things come at your own pace, but considering you seem to wanna lean towards basic graphic design, might i suggest you look into Graphics Design and Publishing as a possible career path? art is a fairly good skillbase to draw from for this, especially if you have an eye for detail and like working with graphics software, just be prepared to do fiddly work with vectors, also.
All in all, very rewarding.
Title: Re: PS VITA- Castlevania: Souls of Sorrow (Cover Artwork Box)
Post by: Ignuus66 on April 17, 2012, 08:39:14 AM
Quote from: WhiteFox on April 16, 2012, 04:36:56 PM
Quote from: Ignuus66 on April 16, 2012, 10:00:28 AM
Wait 15 years and you might be able to see again!
I can see. Just... only in one eye. I have 20/20 in my "good" eye, and I have half decent depth perception thanks to focal blur. Apart from fatigue, the only real inconvenience is a lack of peripheral vision.

Yeah, but give 15 years and you can with your other eye too....

... or you can replace it with a camera!
http://www.smartplanet.com/blog/science-scope/eyeborg-man-puts-a-camera-in-his-eye-to-record-what-he-cant-see/10099
:P

Remember to make the most out of things you don't have!
Title: Re: PS VITA- Castlevania: Souls of Sorrow (Cover Artwork Box)
Post by: justacritic on April 17, 2012, 09:37:41 AM
Why should you let the mundane stop you? Kick reason to the curb and go  beyond the impossible, that's the ... now where did that phrase come from again?

Anyway, did you use a pixel or vector based program to come up with this? Vectors can be useful at times, but I hate the fact that all vector based programs seem to be payware.
Title: Re: PS VITA- Castlevania: Souls of Sorrow (Cover Artwork Box)
Post by: Ignuus66 on April 17, 2012, 09:43:13 AM
Quote from: justacritic on April 17, 2012, 09:37:41 AM
but I hate the fact that all vector based programs seem to be payware.
(http://fc05.deviantart.net/fs70/f/2012/095/c/e/pirate_poker_face_by_dingernalt-d4v4yt4.png)
Yarrr?
Title: Re: PS VITA- Castlevania: Souls of Sorrow (Cover Artwork Box)
Post by: Turnsky on April 17, 2012, 09:48:09 AM
Quote from: justacritic on April 17, 2012, 09:37:41 AM
Why should you let the mundane stop you? Kick reason to the curb and go  beyond the impossible, that's the ... now where did that phrase come from again?

Anyway, did you use a pixel or vector based program to come up with this? Vectors can be useful at times, but I hate the fact that all vector based programs seem to be payware.

http://inkscape.org/

you name it, there's prolly some freeware variant out there put together by some boffins under the GNU license.

THAT said, most publishers only use things like illustrator for creating base graphics like one would photoshop, layout, etc for more complex things like covers, books, pamphlets and whatnot are handled by other programs such as quark, indesign, and similarly themed programs. granted this is for print quality stuff with bleed and trim marks.

here's a freeware variant: http://www.scribus.net/canvas/Scribus
Title: Re: PS VITA- Castlevania: Souls of Sorrow (Cover Artwork Box)
Post by: Mao on April 17, 2012, 03:03:24 PM
DjRunza, in the future make sure to properly credit any work that isn't your own, and be more clear about what it is you're asking for critique on.  It can be a legal no-no if you try to claim credit for work that isn't your own (the character art that you used, for example) or don't give credit to the proper sources for work.
Title: Re: PS VITA- Castlevania: Souls of Sorrow (Cover Artwork Box)
Post by: DjRunza on April 17, 2012, 03:28:49 PM
Quote from: Mao Laoren on April 17, 2012, 03:03:24 PM
DjRunza, in the future make sure to properly credit any work that isn't your own, and be more clear about what it is you're asking for critique on.  It can be a legal no-no if you try to claim credit for work that isn't your own (the character art that you used, for example) or don't give credit to the proper sources for work.

Ahaha but yes I did gave a credit to that person which I asked him for permission to re-edit the artwork in a first place and he just said like "Ok sure no problem. Just drop by my name there to give a credit and the rest just do whatever you like!". So I was like "Oh ok sure. Thanks." I did said that the artwork was originated by that person and if anything you want to re-edit that picture, ask him for permission first before you actually do anything on it, I said that. Lol well I usually ask people especially Castlevania fans about whether or not my own storyline is actually good or bad or is it possible to be the sequel after Dawn of Sorrow. At the same time they can give their own opinion and suggestion about my storyline because the main point for making this fan-made is to support and convince KONAMI and IGA to bring back our old Castlevania 2D games back to us with HD graphics. But most character arts that I've been used all along was actually copyright materials from Konami itself as you may know it. And i hope its nothing wrong with that. Arranging the layouts, the colors, the text and everything. Because its fan-made after all isn't it? On a side note, I really appreciate your advices Mao Laoren. And I really do hope that you understand why I made this fan-made storyline. In the future, right after I finish ALL these chapters, I try to buy the Adobe Flash Player and start working on it to create this fan-made game. I'm doing my best to do this. :D
Title: Re: PS VITA- Castlevania: Souls of Sorrow (Cover Artwork Box)
Post by: DjRunza on April 25, 2012, 08:31:31 AM
Heellooo guys! How are you doing? Feeling great? By the way, there is something that I would like to talk about here. I need a guidance to actually make my project runs smoothly. Which means, I need an extra "weapon" to actually make this happen. Yesterday I made a thread about my fangame storyline of Castlevania: Souls of Sorrow in IGN entertainment forums and had an argument with someone regarding about this fangame storyline. Most of the comments that they gave to me were something like very bad feedbacks from some of them which makes myself demotivated and I don't give a damn what they said to me simply because this is my project after all and I wanna make it work in the end. Here's my forum thread website "http://www.ign.com/boards/threads/ps-vita-castlevania-souls-of-sorrow.452446937/" You can read all of them which I'm kind of disappointed with it and some of them really LOOK DOWN for what I've done so far. Nevertheless, I'm very keen to need some help to actually create a character Sprite with HD graphic like how you played in Castlevania: Harmony of Despair. For an example like Soma, Julius, Yoko, Old or Elder Jonathan and Old or Elder Charlotte Sprite HD characters from Castlevania: Harmony of Despair in order to show them the prove that we actually working on this project. Do you have any advices for this or you can do sprites on your computer? If you guys love and curious about my fangame storyline and a true fans of Castlevania, you are indeed welcome to my project. Unfortunately, I can't create a fine sprite. I know this is so awkward, but I'm so sorry to explain to you guys everything about this. I don't force anybody to help me or the other way round. Lol.
Title: Re: PS VITA- Castlevania: Souls of Sorrow (Cover Artwork Box)
Post by: Ignuus66 on April 25, 2012, 09:52:41 AM
To be frank, the best way to learn to sprite (I am a decent one, but I never finish any projects that I begin) Is to take existing good sprites simular to the one you are making, (I emphasize on multiple ones) and analyze what makes them good, and then try to construct your own, and if you feel that something is off, you check the other sprites for what they did.
After a few tries, you get the hang of it and won't need referance sprites any more.
(the hardest part is animating the sprite, and keep in mind making sprites requires a great deal of patience)

That's how I learned anyways... Also with your Fanfiction, check what people disliked in it (disregard any post that doesn't detail what they disliked in it) and try to fix the flaws. (nothing is perfect after all) Also to be fair, I'm not a big castlevania fan and only played the original one (online) and another one on my friend's ancient machines.

Also I checked the forum, and to be frank bluffing about how a project is doing is NOT a great way to get people excited.

Title: Re: PS VITA- Castlevania: Souls of Sorrow (Cover Artwork Box)
Post by: DjRunza on April 25, 2012, 10:19:48 AM
Quote from: Ignuus66 on April 25, 2012, 09:52:41 AM
To be frank, the best way to learn to sprite (I am a decent one, but I never finish any projects that I begin) Is to take existing good sprites simular to the one you are making, (I emphasize on multiple ones) and analyze what makes them good, and then try to construct your own, and if you feel that something is off, you check the other sprites for what they did.
After a few tries, you get the hang of it and won't need referance sprites any more.
(the hardest part is animating the sprite, and keep in mind making sprites requires a great deal of patience)

That's how I learned anyways... Also with your Fanfiction, check what people disliked in it (disregard any post that doesn't detail what they disliked in it) and try to fix the flaws. (nothing is perfect after all) Also to be fair, I'm not a big castlevania fan and only played the original one (online) and another one on my friend's ancient machines.

Also I checked the forum, and to be frank bluffing about how a project is doing is NOT a great way to get people excited.



Hmm I see. I did told them and stated in that forum saying that the project just started as a toddler who just learn how to walk and haven't even started on any sprites, screenshots or whatsoever and in the end, they thought I was lying to them. Well, some people loves for being such a douchebag and some people just like it and feel more curiosity to even know what's my storyline is going to be like. Thanks for the feedback Ignus66, now you give me some motivation to start doing the sprites. I'll do my best. :)
Title: Re: PS VITA- Castlevania: Souls of Sorrow (Cover Artwork Box)
Post by: Ignuus66 on April 25, 2012, 10:50:55 AM
Quote from: DjRunza on April 25, 2012, 10:19:48 AM
Hmm I see. I did told them and stated in that forum saying that the project just started as a toddler who just learn how to walk and haven't even started on any sprites, screenshots or whatsoever and in the end, they thought I was lying to them. Well, some people loves for being such a douchebag and some people just like it and feel more curiosity to even know what's my storyline is going to be like. Thanks for the feedback Ignus66, now you give me some motivation to start doing the sprites. I'll do my best. :)
Good luck!  :grin
Title: Re: PS VITA- Castlevania: Souls of Sorrow (Cover Artwork Box)
Post by: llearch n'n'daCorna on April 30, 2012, 01:05:00 PM
Quote from: DjRunza on April 25, 2012, 10:19:48 AM
Quote from: Ignuus66 on April 25, 2012, 09:52:41 AM
Also I checked the forum, and to be frank bluffing about how a project is doing is NOT a great way to get people excited.
Hmm I see. I did told them and stated in that forum saying that the project just started as a toddler who just learn how to walk and haven't even started on any sprites, screenshots or whatsoever and in the end, they thought I was lying to them. Well, some people loves for being such a douchebag and some people just like it and feel more curiosity to even know what's my storyline is going to be like. Thanks for the feedback Ignus66, now you give me some motivation to start doing the sprites. I'll do my best. :)

You might also get a better response if you post coherently, and use paragraphs to break up the chunks of thought into parse-able slices. Posting a one-paragraph single-line post that has 297 words in it is difficult to read; on my screen, it shows up as 12 or so lines of wrapped, justified text, with little or no easily followable thread.

If you use line breaks and suchlike to split your thoughts up, you'll find people much more receptive.
Title: Re: PS VITA- Castlevania: Souls of Sorrow (Cover Artwork Box)
Post by: DjRunza on April 30, 2012, 02:44:22 PM
Quote from: llearch n'n'daCorna on April 30, 2012, 01:05:00 PM
Quote from: DjRunza on April 25, 2012, 10:19:48 AM
Quote from: Ignuus66 on April 25, 2012, 09:52:41 AM
Also I checked the forum, and to be frank bluffing about how a project is doing is NOT a great way to get people excited.
Hmm I see. I did told them and stated in that forum saying that the project just started as a toddler who just learn how to walk and haven't even started on any sprites, screenshots or whatsoever and in the end, they thought I was lying to them. Well, some people loves for being such a douchebag and some people just like it and feel more curiosity to even know what's my storyline is going to be like. Thanks for the feedback Ignus66, now you give me some motivation to start doing the sprites. I'll do my best. :)

You might also get a better response if you post coherently, and use paragraphs to break up the chunks of thought into parse-able slices. Posting a one-paragraph single-line post that has 297 words in it is difficult to read; on my screen, it shows up as 12 or so lines of wrapped, justified text, with little or no easily followable thread.

If you use line breaks and suchlike to split your thoughts up, you'll find people much more receptive.

Hmm I see. Do you think it's too late to modify the text inside the contain and everything right now? :( Now I've learned about how much the paragraphs are actually very important in terms of giving thoughts. Thank you so much for the feedback llearch n'n'daCorna, I really appreciate it. :)
Title: Re: PS VITA- Castlevania: Souls of Sorrow (Cover Artwork Box)
Post by: DjRunza on May 06, 2012, 02:48:09 PM
Greetings Ladies and Gentleman, how are you guys doing? Feeling great? This thread is little bit of dusty due to my absence of been told by some of the Castlevania fans to modify and revamping the layouts for my cover artwork box for third time (I guess). Hence, here I am once again, would like to show all of you Castlevania fans about my LATEST fangame cover artwork box of Castlevania: Souls of Sorrow.

(http://i1153.photobucket.com/albums/p501/djrunza/Castlevania-SOSboxart-1.jpg)

Castlevania: Souls of Sorrow's plot of the storyline (UPDATE):
"Ever since the incident of the Demon Castle War in 1999, Lord Dracula had finally defeated for good by the hands of the Belmont clan. However, in the year of 2038, a young legendary warrior, Soma Cruz stands once again alongside with his dear friends to face the final battle against the two Castlevania's own favorite Immortal villains, Death and Olrox are the only one left and they who attempt to rule the demon castle after Lord Dracula's demise. 2 years after the incident of the Dark Lord Candidates which they've miserably failed, Olrox has become the new king of the "Immortal Vampires" who living in a pure hatred and revengeful world upon the humanity and living in an agony upon his elder brother's death, Brauner. The Legendary son of Lord Dracula, Alucard, may have defeated him once but the man, who can bring Olrox back alive from the dead, Death, resurrected him by using Olrox's SOUL. Death tells Olrox everything about what had happened to his elder brother and how he died. Olrox's new comrades, "The Divisions of the 7 Immortal Vampires" and his beloved armies, attempt to rule over the world and wipe out all the humanity for eternity. Prepare for the FINAL chapter of sorrow! Peace and victorious must be prevail forever!"

What say you? :)
Title: Re: PS VITA- Castlevania: Souls of Sorrow (Cover Artwork Box)
Post by: James StarRunner on May 06, 2012, 03:29:26 PM
Quote from: DjRunza on May 06, 2012, 02:48:09 PM
Greetings Ladies and Gentleman, how are you guys doing? Feeling great? This thread is little bit of dusty due to my absence of been told by some of the Castlevania fans to modify and revamping the layouts for my cover artwork box for third time (I guess). Hence, here I am once again, would like to show all of you Castlevania fans about my LATEST fangame cover artwork box of Castlevania: Souls of Sorrow.
Well, it's an improvement... There's still a lot of things wrong with it though. I realize that you don't draw, but you shouldn't use copyrighted art. It's art theft, simple as that. The summary on the back needs a revision, the grammar still needs work. I see others had told you the same things before. If you want to improve, you really should take these suggestions to heart. At the very least, get someone who's got a better command on the english language to be your editor. I suggested the same thing in your note. I'm worried that everyones concerns are falling on deaf ears. You've asked for suggestions, but it looks like you haven't listened. Constructive criticism is one of the best ways I learn. If you want to make this a game, there's still lots to learn. Please take this in a good way and improve with the suggestions and concerns people give you.
Title: Re: PS VITA- Castlevania: Souls of Sorrow (Cover Artwork Box)
Post by: DjRunza on May 06, 2012, 04:20:03 PM
Quote from: James StarRunner on May 06, 2012, 03:29:26 PM
Quote from: DjRunza on May 06, 2012, 02:48:09 PM
Greetings Ladies and Gentleman, how are you guys doing? Feeling great? This thread is little bit of dusty due to my absence of been told by some of the Castlevania fans to modify and revamping the layouts for my cover artwork box for third time (I guess). Hence, here I am once again, would like to show all of you Castlevania fans about my LATEST fangame cover artwork box of Castlevania: Souls of Sorrow.
Well, it's an improvement... There's still a lot of things wrong with it though. I realize that you don't draw, but you shouldn't use copyrighted art. It's art theft, simple as that. The summary on the back needs a revision, the grammar still needs work. I see others had told you the same things before. If you want to improve, you really should take these suggestions to heart. At the very least, get someone who's got a better command on the english language to be your editor. I suggested the same thing in your note. I'm worried that everyones concerns are falling on deaf ears. You've asked for suggestions, but it looks like you haven't listened. Constructive criticism is one of the best ways I learn. If you want to make this a game, there's still lots to learn. Please take this in a good way and improve with the suggestions and concerns people give you.

Lol I've even received a lot of constructive criticism more than this one. However, I take it as a lesson, of course. Now I'm trying to learn and straightening out my grammer skills slowly by slowly. Yes exactly, until to the extend of revamping the layouts by using the copyrighted arts on my Photoshop is the only ability that I can do in my art skills for now. Or perhaps you could help me out to draw since you told me once before that you can draw? :P I see a lot of fan-made and fangame are actually using the copyrighted artworks from the original game respectively. Ahahaha alright sure! Not a problem at all. I would like to say thank you so much for the advices and suggestions you gave to me and I really appreciate it. And dammit, I forgot to change the grammer words on the back cover box before I actually posted that one. All in all, what do you think about the latest update of the cover artwork box above there? Excellent? Good? Moderate? Bad? Totally sucks? 
Title: Re: PS VITA- Castlevania: Souls of Sorrow (Cover Artwork Box)
Post by: James StarRunner on May 06, 2012, 04:41:06 PM
Yes, I can draw, but I hardly have the time for my own projects.

As for the quality... I'm not sure I can judge that fairly with all the other art used to make it.
Title: Re: PS VITA- Castlevania: Souls of Sorrow (Cover Artwork Box)
Post by: DjRunza on May 06, 2012, 05:04:53 PM
Quote from: James StarRunner on May 06, 2012, 04:41:06 PM
Yes, I can draw, but I hardly have the time for my own projects.

As for the quality... I'm not sure I can judge that fairly with all the other art used to make it.

Ah I see, ok why don't we put it this way. Once you have done your projects that you are currently doing, are you interested and willing enough to help me out to draw some new characters for my fangame of Castlevania: Souls of Sorrow? Especially the artwork picture that you saw from my previous thread which was about the "7 Divisions of Immortal Vampires"? Honestly speaking, I can feel that we will be able to make this a fine game and fine artworks since you can draw and have the basic of programming as well. Nevermind, let's just take this slowly as long as we actually have something to update on this fangame. I would be really happy if you could join me along with this project. The more people join this, the more the merrier. Don't you think so my friend? Lol. I thought of creating a new page for Castlevania: Souls of Sorrow on facebook and invite all the Castlevania fans artists and other fans but its really depends on them whether or not they actually interested with my own idea of storyline or they accept to join me along or not. Mind if you could join me too? And are you interested with my storyline?
Title: Re: PS VITA- Castlevania: Souls of Sorrow (Cover Artwork Box)
Post by: James StarRunner on May 06, 2012, 06:15:55 PM
Simply put, I can't help and not really interested in the story, no offense.
Title: Re: PS VITA- Castlevania: Souls of Sorrow (Cover Artwork Box)
Post by: DjRunza on May 06, 2012, 06:24:59 PM
Quote from: James StarRunner on May 06, 2012, 06:15:55 PM
Simply put, I can't help and not really interested in the story, no offense.

Ahaha neah its alright. What about drawing the 7 new characters that I've mention earlier?
Title: Re: PS VITA- Castlevania: Souls of Sorrow (Cover Artwork Box)
Post by: James StarRunner on May 06, 2012, 08:00:04 PM
Quote from: DjRunza on May 06, 2012, 06:24:59 PMAhaha neah its alright. What about drawing the 7 new characters that I've mention earlier?
Perhaps, but not in the immediate future. You should check out my style first and see what you think. I figure it may be advertising myself, but since I can see you asking anyways you'll find most of my art at http://www.furaffinity.net/user/starrunner

I may not be a bad artist, but I find people saying that I draw 'cute' all the time. I'm not sure I'm best suited to get the dark, horror feel you need.
Title: Re: PS VITA- Castlevania: Souls of Sorrow (Cover Artwork Box)
Post by: DjRunza on May 07, 2012, 03:46:37 AM
Quote from: James StarRunner on May 06, 2012, 08:00:04 PM
Quote from: DjRunza on May 06, 2012, 06:24:59 PMAhaha neah its alright. What about drawing the 7 new characters that I've mention earlier?
Perhaps, but not in the immediate future. You should check out my style first and see what you think. I figure it may be advertising myself, but since I can see you asking anyways you'll find most of my art at http://www.furaffinity.net/user/starrunner

I may not be a bad artist, but I find people saying that I draw 'cute' all the time. I'm not sure I'm best suited to get the dark, horror feel you need.

Hmm as far as from what I can see throughout your art style and your artworks, I can most probably accept it simply because as a result, you could actually come up with a good artwork picture of the new 7 characters in my fangame of Castlevania: Souls of Sorrow eventhough it would turns out to be a cute artwork picture of them but I would be surprise if you actually draw them and in the end, it does look like a dark and horror feel. Therefore, I shall welcome and accept you to draw the 7 new characters and this would be the 2nd stage of sketching and illustrating them. Personally, I really like your artworks and your drawing skills as well. Cheers! :D
Title: Re: PS VITA- Castlevania: Souls of Sorrow (Cover Artwork Box)
Post by: DjRunza on May 10, 2012, 01:42:21 PM
So James StarRunner, are you up for it? :)
Title: Re: PS VITA- Castlevania: Souls of Sorrow (Cover Artwork Box)
Post by: James StarRunner on May 10, 2012, 02:16:10 PM
As I said, I can't take this on immediately. I don't charge much either, but I'd still have to figure out how much seven people would cost. But I'd have to come to that when I get there and finish these other projects. If you find someone else before then, that's alright too.
Title: Re: PS VITA- Castlevania: Souls of Sorrow (Cover Artwork Box)
Post by: DjRunza on May 10, 2012, 02:35:14 PM
Quote from: James StarRunner on May 10, 2012, 02:16:10 PM
As I said, I can't take this on immediately. I don't charge much either, but I'd still have to figure out how much seven people would cost. But I'd have to come to that when I get there and finish these other projects. If you find someone else before then, that's alright too.

Oops, forgive me of my bluntness. By the way James StarRunner, you might despise me when I'm going to say this. However, I don't do any commission paid upon an artist and I just would like to find an artist that can help me to draw for fun and without getting paid simply because as I've mention earlier, the purpose of me making this project is for fun, supporting and bringing back our old beloved Castlevania 2D gameplay with HD graphics back to us. What say you?
Title: Re: PS VITA- Castlevania: Souls of Sorrow (Cover Artwork Box)
Post by: James StarRunner on May 10, 2012, 09:59:01 PM
I say I unfortunately have debt issues to solve and have to focus my free time on paying customers and my demos. Sorry man.
Title: Re: PS VITA- Castlevania: Souls of Sorrow (Cover Artwork Box)
Post by: DjRunza on May 11, 2012, 03:07:27 AM
Quote from: James StarRunner on May 10, 2012, 09:59:01 PM
I say I unfortunately have debt issues to solve and have to focus my free time on paying customers and my demos. Sorry man.

Ahaha neah it's ok man, don't worry about it. I would like to wish you good luck and all the best for your current projects James StarRunner. Am very glad to meet you here in this forum and thread. Cheers! :D
Title: Re: PS VITA- Castlevania: Souls of Sorrow (Cover Artwork Box)
Post by: Darkmoon on May 14, 2012, 03:59:42 PM
Quote from: Turnsky on April 17, 2012, 12:25:08 AM
Ten years of study to even start? That's a bit much, it actually doesn't take that long to 'learn' how to draw. It's like with anything, you don't start out that great, but hey, you're learning and you'll generally make leaps and bounds within the first one or two years, which is commonly how long most art classes last here from a curriculum standpoint.

HOWEVER. one does not need study to learn how to draw, the will to do so and resourcefulness to find the right guides for that path may be all you need

I'm not saying Whitefox here is wrong-

I'll say he's wrong, because he is wrong. First and foremost, I have an art degree, one that I got only eight years ago. Secondly, that art degree was in graphic design -- more specifically, web design. That is not a degree that requires a knowledge of classical art or the skills required for classically rendered drawings. It's only in the last two years that I'd say I've worked on the skills I need to consider myself an "artist" in the illustration sense, and then only in the last three months that I finally gave it a whirl to see if I had gotten my skills in order to actually start "drawing" the way Amber, Nyil, Mao, and my other artists friends draw. Within the next year I'll have a fully-hand drawn comic up and running.

I get that Whitefox has personal issues that limit his ability to work at a "normal" speed, but I think it would be best if he didn't assume that the way he has to do things (and learn things, and process things) was the way everyone had to do it.

Also, for the record, an inability to control oneself is no reason for the world to write off an entire branch of the entertainment industry.