Huh. Interesting. So, sometime in the last four centuries, Abel basically "manned up" enough to kill Aniz (slight sarcasm there, but four hundred years is enough time to come to the idea of revenge). And apparently Aniz is now dead, or completely beyond Abel's reach... *turns back to that plot hook about Edward Ti'Fiona* The plot thickens!
Also, this is the first time any of the main cast has learned any of Abel's past. Let's see where it goes!
EDIT: 1K parties might involve your descendants who have disappointed you most and whiffle bats. Or muffins. Probably muffins.
If I was Abel I would have waited until my 375 birthday to actually kill him. That would prevent him from starting again.
It is a bit creepy how Dan and Abel are so much alike yet quite the opposites.
I thought Abel's dad was dead long before he met Dan, but look he's going to kill him before he trieds to go after another lady.
Speaking of that Edward Ti'fona plot-hook. A possibility just occured to me.....
Aniz's entire clan was more or less wiped out by a single dragon, dragons generally have a genocidal mad-on for 'Cubi largely due to the macinations of one 'Cubi's quest for tri-wing ascension, Cyra. In addition, Aniz personally blames Destania, one of Cyra's direct descendants, for forcing him to suffer the existence of a clanless cubi rather than meeting sweet merciful death by dragon's claws. If Aniz isn't completely un-hinged, those hinges still do look rickety.
Could Aniz have possibly joined the other team, and be involved in the abduction of Dan's Dad?
Quote from: Les on May 09, 2010, 02:54:34 AM
Could Aniz have possibly joined the other team, and be involved in the abduction of Dan's Dad?
So tempted to reference Eragon, more specifically Galbatorix; but the similarity is tangential at best. Abel is being disturbingly forthcoming with this info, especially since Fi is in close proximity and might randomly spout out some 'need-to-know' info, resulting in comedic stabbity.
Quote from: Jairus on May 09, 2010, 02:40:39 AM
EDIT: 1K parties might involve your descendants who have disappointed you most and whiffle bats. Or muffins. Probably muffins.
Muffins are Plan B; the tarts are first in line. :U
Hm. Color me surprised. Can't say I necessarily agree with the whole 'Vengeance!' thing, but then, I suppose, I don't need to.
One's first hope is that the bastard is dead, but that's probably too much to hope for. His method of rendering himself beyond Abel's reach is probably something other than his death.
Besides! That's what resurrection magic is for! Killing your enemies over and over and over again, for unparalleled catharsis and relief. :>
Quote from: Jairus on May 09, 2010, 02:40:39 AM
Huh. Interesting. So, sometime in the last four centuries, Abel basically "manned up" enough to kill Aniz (slight sarcasm there, but four hundred years is enough time to come to the idea of revenge). And apparently Aniz is now dead, or completely beyond Abel's reach... *turns back to that plot hook about Edward Ti'Fiona* The plot thickens!
Not necessarily. Other possibilities are:
1) Abel can no longer start his "quest" on his 400th birthday as he planned because he is now roped into the responsibility of protecting/teaching Dan. So a delay of game, not a rainout.
2) Abel changed his mind at some point. Possibly even after he got to Lost Lake.
3) The mysterious leverage that Fa'Lina used to get Abel to go to Lost Lake had the side effect of changing Abel's patricidal plans.
On an unrelated note, this whole conversation has been a case of neither of them understanding the thought processes of each other.
Quote from: Cogidubnus on May 09, 2010, 03:21:49 AM
Besides! That's what resurrection magic is for! Killing your enemies over and over and over again, for unparalleled catharsis and relief. :>
You mean like this (http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2009/5/25/)?
Quote from: jeffh4 on May 09, 2010, 03:25:48 AM
Not necessarily. Other possibilities are:
1) Abel can no longer start his "quest" on his 400th birthday as he planned because he is now roped into the responsibility of protecting/teaching Dan. So a delay of game, not a rainout.
I, for one, hadn't thought of that. That could very well be.
Quote from: jeffh4 on May 09, 2010, 03:25:48 AM
2) Abel changed his mind at some point. Possibly even after he got to Lost Lake.
I think that Abel saying that Aniz is 'out of reach', so to speak, implies that he
would reach if he could - although it certainly could be possible.
Quote from: jeffh4 on May 09, 2010, 03:25:48 AM
3) The mysterious leverage that Fa'Lina used to get Abel to go to Lost Lake had the side effect of changing Abel's patricidal plans.
It's interesting that you should consider Fa'lina having something do with the situation, as I recall her mentioning something about
two months in this page (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_740.php) of the comic.
Now, about how much in-comic time has passed between that page and the present one? Could whatever event Abel was about to mention before being interrupted by spiders coincide with his birthday?
That's an interesting goal. Although I'm not sure i would save it for a birthday. It would be more fun to do it on Father's day.
I'm more willing to bet Edward killed Aniz, and it might be part of the reason Destania stopped trying to kill him long enough to take interest in him.
Quote from: ChaosMageX on May 09, 2010, 03:57:21 AM
It's interesting that you should consider Fa'lina having something do with the situation, as I recall her mentioning something about two months in this page (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_740.php) of the comic.
Now, about how much in-comic time has passed between that page and the present one? Could whatever event Abel was about to mention before being interrupted by spiders coincide with his birthday?
That seemed to more refer to Fa'lina losing her ability to prodict what happens with Abel.
Quote from: Kuari on May 09, 2010, 04:00:24 AM
I'm more willing to bet Edward killed Aniz, and it might be part of the reason Destania stopped trying to kill him long enough to take interest in him.
Interesting and quite within the realm of possibility!
Well, it seems Aniz is dead is the most logical conclusion. Though really, what he said was not completely defined as Aniz being dead, perhaps Amber is trying to fool us into thinking this. He had enough time to either come at terms with himself or something happening by which he lost interest y in killing his father completely or it somehow became impossible through other means than death. :U
Yep, Aniz is dead, long live Aniz.
Quote from: Kuari on May 09, 2010, 04:00:24 AM
I'm more willing to bet Edward killed Aniz, and it might be part of the reason Destania stopped trying to kill him long enough to take interest in him.
Oooh, here's a thought...
Dan's 'awakening' is suspiciously close to the time Aniz would've been allowed to deposit a new rugrat on Fa'lina's doorstep. Aniz, chafing at the time restriction as much as he was, likely would've wanted to err more on the side of having a kid too early than too late and so starts his hunt for a proper couple to cuckoo several decades before the time limit is about to be up. He finds Edward Ti'Fona, married adventurer and ideal candidate for him to pull the same trick he did with the Rewanz family, only Aniz underestimates Edward and suffers the consequences. Fast-Forward, Edward's wife dies in childbirth and gives him a new perspective on life, a new perspective which (and possibly his exploits against Aniz) endears him to Destania.
We never heard why Destania was out and bout at this time, perhaps she was hunting Aniz and reasoned that the best time to do so would be during the prime time when he'd be trying to set 'phase 2' of his Brilliant Plan into motion and thus would have to be out and about in the world and not in some scry-free hidey hole somewhere. She meets and marries Edward T'fona and later gives birth to Dan, right about the time Aniz would've been siring his next offspring if his plans had succeeded.
Quote from: Tytaj on May 09, 2010, 04:18:20 AM
Well, it seems Aniz is dead is the most logical conclusion. Though really, what he said was not completely defined as Aniz being dead, perhaps Amber is trying to fool us into thinking this. He had enough time to either come at terms with himself or something happening by which he lost interest y in killing his father completely or it somehow became impossible through other means than death. :U
Yep, Aniz is dead, long live Aniz.
Aniz is Elvis..
His Demise would still be up for debate among some.
As ever, completely inconclusive >:3
Assuming the simple case, that would probably mean that he's either already dead, or that Abel is no longer able to do it (e.g. bogged down with looking after Dan).
If Aniz is Edward (and I'm not going to go into it), then Dan and Destania would violently object to losing him, and besides he's currently being held prisoner by the Dragons.
Either way, he can't do it. Still, I'm a little disappointed that he apparently still wants to do it.
Quote from: Jairus on May 09, 2010, 02:40:39 AM
Huh. Interesting. So, sometime in the last four centuries, Abel basically "manned up" enough to kill Aniz (slight sarcasm there, but four hundred years is enough time to come to the idea of revenge).
Not as much as revenge, IMHO, but nesessity. Remember, Aniz is (was?) de-facto the leader of his clan and have an absolute authority over his children. So he expect them to do his bidding once they grow up. Since his (retarded) plans require making more cubi, he would send his children to do exactly what he was doing. Beaten into submission or mindraped if necessary. Tyranny is nothing unusual for cubi clans, so a younger cuby have to either do what elder told or kill him and take his place. Also perfectly usual.
Quote from: Turnsky on May 09, 2010, 04:50:33 AMQuote from: Tytaj on May 09, 2010, 04:18:20 AMYep, Aniz is dead, long live Aniz.
Aniz is Elvis..
His Demise would still be up for debate among some.
Aniz was also Michael Jackson !!
Now we know how he managed to change shape and color so much over the years !
Quote from: Kuari on May 09, 2010, 04:00:24 AM
I'm more willing to bet Edward killed Aniz, and it might be part of the reason Destania stopped trying to kill him long enough to take interest in him.
That also might explain why Ink said this. (http://missmab.com/Comics/Vol_527.php)
Although on another hand... how old was Aniz? He could have quite easily died from old age if he was anywhere near the 3000 (http://missmab.com/Demo/cubi.php) mark.
Quote from: Rambon on May 09, 2010, 06:07:59 AM
Although on another hand... how old was Aniz? He could have quite easily died from old age if he was anywhere near the 3000 (http://missmab.com/Demo/cubi.php) mark.
He would be about 840 in the present day. (see
here (http://missmab.com/Comics/Ab_012.php) )
Quote from: Tapewolf on May 09, 2010, 06:29:03 AM
Quote from: Rambon on May 09, 2010, 06:07:59 AM
Although on another hand... how old was Aniz? He could have quite easily died from old age if he was anywhere near the 3000 (http://missmab.com/Demo/cubi.php) mark.
He would be about 840 in the present day. (see here (http://missmab.com/Comics/Ab_012.php) )
Okay that kills that theory.
Hmmm, I first read it as Abel having planned to kill Aniz when he showed up at SAIA with the next kid. But Abel can't do that, since he's going to be baby-sitting Dan when that happens.
Or not. The evil Ambaaargh could well be planning an unexpected plot twist. Well, bring it on! Let's twist again! Mwa ha ha etc.
It's a conspiracy!
It's a conspiracy!
It's a conspiracy!
It's a conspiracy!
It's a conspiracy!
It's a conspiracy!
And doubts are made of suspicion! :kirby
Just when you thought it was safe to inter the forum...DooooDoooo.....DoooDooo....DooDoo..DoDo DoDo DoDo DoDo It's the Aniz....... topic!
You do relise if Aniz is Dan's dad that either makes Alexis his adopted sister or Alexis mom had more power than Aniz Did Or does.... right?
That might mean that Alexis might be holding back in all that we've seen of her if she has that kind of power too. I wonder what horrors Abel seen when he tried to sneak back into his room while she was cleaning up?
If Aniz is Dan's dad, it means him and Destania got together again.
Which in the form how it was presented in the (canon) comic is veeery unlikely to have happened.
Okay, now I REALLY hope that Aniz is dead, because then people will finally stop talking about the Edward-Aniz theory. Ugh.
I get the feeling he is dead, though, because I don't understand why Abel would bring up the subject in the first place if he had simply moved on.
Quote from: danman on May 09, 2010, 10:05:54 AM
If Aniz is Dan's dad, it means him and Destania got together again.
Which in the form how it was presented in the (canon) comic is veeery unlikely to have happened.
I'm just amused that it always seems to come back to Aniz and Destania.
My point does give towards that way too.
After all how often do you find a being with more magical power than a creature?
Mind you, it could probably happen in Ambers world, but the odds would most likely be against something like that happening.
Edit: Sorry Keaton I know it's a topic just too often talked about for some peoples taste.
This will probably get another long stair down from the cast of the comic when Amber puts the final stake in this undead abomination.
Quote from: Les on May 09, 2010, 04:40:49 AM
Quote from: Kuari on May 09, 2010, 04:00:24 AM
I'm more willing to bet Edward killed Aniz, and it might be part of the reason Destania stopped trying to kill him long enough to take interest in him.
Oooh, here's a thought...
Dan's 'awakening' is suspiciously close to the time Aniz would've been allowed to deposit a new rugrat on Fa'lina's doorstep. Aniz, chafing at the time restriction as much as he was, likely would've wanted to err more on the side of having a kid too early than too late and so starts his hunt for a proper couple to cuckoo several decades before the time limit is about to be up. He finds Edward Ti'Fona, married adventurer and ideal candidate for him to pull the same trick he did with the Rewanz family, only Aniz underestimates Edward and suffers the consequences. Fast-Forward, Edward's wife dies in childbirth and gives him a new perspective on life, a new perspective which (and possibly his exploits against Aniz) endears him to Destania.
We never heard why Destania was out and bout at this time, perhaps she was hunting Aniz and reasoned that the best time to do so would be during the prime time when he'd be trying to set 'phase 2' of his Brilliant Plan into motion and thus would have to be out and about in the world and not in some scry-free hidey hole somewhere. She meets and marries Edward T'fona and later gives birth to Dan, right about the time Aniz would've been siring his next offspring if his plans had succeeded.
:rant Why is it that my posted theory got moved to the dungeon, yet other people can speculate all they want?
...
And this theory is kinda close to mine :B
Quote from: Madd the Sane on March 30, 2010, 05:07:08 AM
Yes, another Edward and Aniz speculation thread. What if Edward stopped Aniz from starting up another breeder program?
Here's my thought: Edward went to see an old adventurer buddy only to find him married to said man's worst enemy. Suspicous, he does a bunch of tests and his fellow adventurer fails a lot of them. When Edward beats him, he finds out that his friend was a 'cubi in disguise. That 'cubi was Aniz.
Just a thought :B
Trust me, this thread is being watched closely.
Madd, give it time, they could be sleeping in, as it's Sunday.
I do hope they notice, and who knows, they might even notice your complaints about them.
*Sits with popcorn*
Quote from: Keaton the Black Jackal on May 09, 2010, 10:15:38 AM
Okay, now I REALLY hope that Aniz is dead, because then people will finally stop talking about the Edward-Aniz theory. Ugh.
Are you sure? You know, there is still a tiny possibility ...
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I get the feeling he is dead, though, because I don't understand why Abel would bring up the subject in the first place if he had simply moved on.
I (reluctantly) agree. On re-reading the strip for the umpteenth time, I feel there's a slight [SOLVED] vibe coming from Abel. But I'm not counting out Aniz without some kind of proof. And in this universe, I'm not sure a stone cold body is proof of death.
I really hope Aniz ain't dead. My bet is that a huge bit- err, Destania already got to him.
I for one, honestly don't believe Aniz is dead; it would likely take a decently powerful creature to do so, and as such, a confrontation of that magnitude would hardly go unnoticed.
More likely is that Aniz will be showing up at SAIA on or around Abel's birthday (http://missmab.com/Comics/Ab_088.php), and Fa'Lina's "volunteering" (http://missmab.com/Comics/Vol_596.php) Abel to look after Dan was simply a convenient way of avoiding said confrontation. Fa'Lina has likely known of Abel's plan ever since he first arrived at SAIA, but for reasons known only to her, it's in everyone's best interest they not meet at this time.
I smell an adventure (http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/8752/tinyawesome.png)
Hmm i rather hope that whatever happened to Aniz, it involved Destania
It would utterly suck to have your revenge subject killed before you are able to do anything.
Quote from: D'ymkarra on May 09, 2010, 11:06:10 AM
More likely is that Aniz will be showing up at SAIA on or around Abel's birthday (http://missmab.com/Comics/Ab_088.php), and Fa'Lina's "volunteering" (http://missmab.com/Comics/Vol_596.php) Abel to look after Dan was simply a convenient way of avoiding said confrontation.
I like that idea.
If true, it may be for the best. After all, if Aniz learned from his mistakes and actually brought the child up correctly this time, said child would not be happy at his/her father being murdered.
Quote from: D'ymkarra on May 09, 2010, 11:06:10 AM
I for one, honestly don't believe Aniz is dead; it would likely take a decently powerful creature to do so, and as such, a confrontation of that magnitude would hardly go unnoticed.
not really, by the sounds of it anybody moderately powerful could take Aniz out... he's apparently not very god at self def.
Quote from: Keaton the Black Jackal on May 09, 2010, 10:15:38 AM
I get the feeling he is dead, though, because I don't understand why Abel would bring up the subject in the first place if he had simply moved on.
If he is dead, I hope they destroyed the corpse. You can never be too careful.
*EDIT* Actually, quick thought and sorry if it has already been mentioned or implied. What if Aniz somehow managed to make allies that makes it very difficult for assault or attempted capture?
Quote from: Turnsky on May 09, 2010, 11:47:00 AM
Not really, by the sounds of it anybody moderately powerful could take Aniz out... he's apparently not very god at self def.
Yeah, according to this, (http://missmab.com/Comics/Ab_055.php) you are completely correct. My assumption was that from his years posing as Cid, he would have picked up a thing or three; he did manage to survive for years as an adventurer.
Quote from: D'ymkarra on May 09, 2010, 01:47:59 PM
Quote from: Turnsky on May 09, 2010, 11:47:00 AM
Not really, by the sounds of it anybody moderately powerful could take Aniz out... he's apparently not very god at self def.
Yeah, according to this, (http://missmab.com/Comics/Ab_055.php) you are completely correct. My assumption was that from his years posing as Cid, he would have picked up a thing or three; he did manage to survive for years as an adventurer.
I don't think that is much of a feat. The average cubi is more powerful than the average adventurer, and any cubi posing as an adventurer can 1) surprise their opponent with a cuibi attack (one surprise is all it takes in a fight), and/or 2) revert to cubi mode to finish off the opponent. All he/she would have to do is make sure there are no witnesses. The largest worry would be multiple sentient opponents and not being able to teleport out for whatever reason.. . . or getting surprised by your opponent.
Apologies for the slight off topic but I just noticed what the karma counter/buttons cot changed to. Whoever did this I'll have you know you have me listening to Culture Club right now! :T
Back on topic! Regardless of how correct any one of us speculates, Amber will prolly still find a way to depantsu us all with something!
OK, at some point Fi has to realize that the conversation happening next to him is more soap-y than the Soap.
I also don't like the Edward-is-Aniz theory because then Dan (of clan Cyra) would be brothers with Abel (of clan Siar). That opens a whole new can of worm-mythos' on just how clans interact when it comes to intra-species relationships, and especially children.
Quote from: Shachza on May 09, 2010, 02:34:25 PM
OK, at some point Fi has to realize that the conversation happening next to him is more soap-y than the Soap.
I also don't like the Edward-is-Aniz theory because then Dan (of clan Cyra) would be brothers with Abel (of clan Siar). That opens a whole new can of worm-mythos' on just how clans interact when it comes to intra-species relationships, and especially children.
I seem to recall something about the more powerful of the two clans takes over as far as what the child becomes. Either that or I'm misremembering.
Edit-had something here that missed Fa'alina's changing of the timeline a few panels later. Obviously, not enough coffee for me yet today..
You know, I am a fan of the old cartoon series ReBoot. I remember when the megalomaniac virus Megabyte was taken over by a monster even stronger than he, and the combined beast tried to absorb the other virus in the system, the chaos-bringer Hexadecimal. The merge was stopped by the Guardian program Bob, leading to the following exchange.
Bob: You'd better start talking, Hex. You and Megabyte started to merge back there!
Hex: Yes, Bob. We are from the same viral strain.
Bob: The same family?
Hex: Oh, no. It's far worse than that, Guardian. He's...my...BROTHER! Ahahahahahaaa!
Bob: But you're always trying to destroy each other!
Hex: Oh, that's just sibling rivalry.
Quote from: ishidan on May 09, 2010, 02:51:15 PM
Timeline check, guys. Aniz was able to drop another kid on Fa'alina three hundred years before this panel.
http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Ab_014.php
"When Abel turns one hundred."
Yes, but then Aniz screws up (even more) and the ban is extended to 375 years.
http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Ab_018.php
Quote from: Tapewolf on May 09, 2010, 03:01:54 PM
Quote from: ishidan on May 09, 2010, 02:51:15 PM
Timeline check, guys. Aniz was able to drop another kid on Fa'alina three hundred years before this panel.
http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Ab_014.php
"When Abel turns one hundred."
Yes, but then Aniz screws up (even more) and the ban is extended to 375 years.
http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Ab_018.php
Post changed, thanks.
Quote from: Anri on May 09, 2010, 02:42:25 PM
Quote from: Shachza on May 09, 2010, 02:34:25 PM
I also don't like the Edward-is-Aniz theory because then Dan (of clan Cyra) would be brothers with Abel (of clan Siar). That opens a whole new can of worm-mythos' on just how clans interact when it comes to intra-species relationships, and especially children.
I seem to recall something about the more powerful of the two clans takes over as far as what the child becomes. Either that or I'm misremembering.
And apparently Cubi can change clans. Not easy, but it can be done. http://missmab.com/Comics/Ab_057.php
Abel's an odd one, isn't he. He's got the boat-light eyes and affinity for fancy clothes of Clan Quoar, his favorite food is Confusion as if he was Clan Dimanika, and he's not above laying out some healing magics and otherwise giving useful advice...these days..
Well, if Dan's parents ARE Destania ans Aniz, then...why the hell would they still live at Lost Lake, pretending to be being? Since they both are cubi, and don't have to hide from each other anymore, they could darn well move someplace more comfortable to live and rise children for cubi. You know, cubi children? The offsprings of two cubi are going to be 100% cubi from the birth, not potentially developing in future.
I do believe Abel's definition of a "birthday" is outdated as well.
Gift Certificates? What are Gift Certificates?
I was re-reading today's comic and had a thought. Abel has been trying so hard to not let anyone know anything about him or his past. He has wanted everyone to know absolutely zero personal information about him and his family. Now he's confiding this to Dan.
Maybe that dream had a profound effect on old freckle-face.
Quote from: Congo Jack on May 09, 2010, 03:16:27 PMWell, if Dan's parents ARE Destania ans Aniz, then...why the hell would they still live at Lost Lake, pretending to be being?
Last I checked, Lost Lake seems to be a nice place to live in ? :)
Quote from: Congo Jack on May 09, 2010, 03:16:27 PM
Well, if Dan's parents ARE Destania ans Aniz, then...why the hell would they still live at Lost Lake, pretending to be being?
From what Dan was saying in the early 600s of DMFA, Destania didn't hide her 'Cubi nature, because she was extraordinarily powerful.
Aniz - if he's still alive - may still be at risk from Jin and Zinvth, so even if he hasn't got back together with Destania, adopting a slightly different identity would be a sound strategy. Being non-Cubi also reduces the risk of losing your head to a wandering adventurer.
Wow. Just... wow.
That "was" in "I was going to kill my father" is making me wonder what happened to Aniz that Abel can no longer kill him.
Part of me is saying "He's probably dead." Another part of me is saying "Politics!" and another part is saying "Go. Grab. Popcorn."
Quote from: RandomMetaphysics on May 09, 2010, 04:03:45 PM
Wow. Just... wow.
That "was" in "I was going to kill my father" is making me wonder what happened to Aniz that Abel can no longer kill him.
Part of me is saying "He's probably dead." Another part of me is saying "Politics!" and another part is saying "Go. Grab. Popcorn."
What we're trying to say here is Abel can't kill Aniz because Dan would be heartbroken...
Something HAD to happen to put Aniz permanently out of reach (death, power gap, what-have-you) or Abel would have kept his mouth shut.
He's been so tight lipped about his past that he would NOT say anything to Dan, unless said thing was 100% invalid now.
..At least, that's how I see it.
Quote from: RandomMetaphysics on May 09, 2010, 04:03:45 PM
Wow. Just... wow.
That "was" in "I was going to kill my father" is making me wonder what happened to Aniz that Abel can no longer kill him.
Part of me is saying "He's probably dead." Another part of me is saying "Politics!" and another part is saying "Go. Grab. Popcorn."
Aniz is likely still alive, and Abel would know I think, his father is his clan's leader, and he would know if he is dead or alive, not where he is. (Fa'lina may know that)
People have brought up all ready, But Abel can't kill his father on his Birthday because
1) He is in Lost Lake with Dan
2) He will not be in SAIA when Aniz returns.
Edward is Aniz theory
Destania would know if Edward was Aniz, she dated him for centuries, and likely want to kill him. Dan and Abel clans are different.
PBH
Quote from: Tapewolf on May 09, 2010, 03:44:02 PM
Quote from: Congo Jack on May 09, 2010, 03:16:27 PM
Well, if Dan's parents ARE Destania ans Aniz, then...why the hell would they still live at Lost Lake, pretending to be being?
From what Dan was saying in the early 600s of DMFA, Destania didn't hide her 'Cubi nature, because she was extraordinarily powerful.
Aniz - if he's still alive - may still be at risk from Jin and Zinvth, so even if he hasn't got back together with Destania, adopting a slightly different identity would be a sound strategy. Being non-Cubi also reduces the risk of losing your head to a wandering adventurer.
True, cubi's way of life is not being who they seem to be. Still, wasn't the whole mess of Dan not being recognized as a cubi from the start, only possible because he has
only one cubi parent?
Quote from: Congo Jack on May 09, 2010, 05:45:22 PM
True, cubi's way of life is not being who they seem to be. Still, wasn't the whole mess of Dan not being recognized as a cubi from the start, only possible because he has only one cubi parent?
Whatever race Dan's father is, he would have known that his son was likely a 'Cubi, since he knew he was marrying one and the wings on their son being the same as Destania's is a pretty big clue :P
The 'mess' of Dan not knowing was caused by
both his parents vanishing before he was - in their opinion - old enough to know. Why they left it quite that late is something we don't have an answer to.
If you're suggesting that his headwings didn't come in at birth because he had Being blood, that's not actually how it works. You're either born completely 'Cubi or not 'Cubi at all, and if you're a 'Cubi, your headwings come in when you reach adulthood, regardless of whether you had one or two 'Cubi as parents.
See also: http://missmab.com/Comics/Vol_304.php
EDIT:
IIRC from Amber's comments, Aary's headwings came in around 19, which is considered very early. Both her parents were 'Cubi.
So Abel's father is either dead or otherwise unavailable for killing.
Assuming he's dead, one wonders how he died.
Four options that I can see:
1: He is alive, but Abel cannot kill him. He might be protected by someone that Abel cannot defeat or too far in hiding to be found.
2: He was killed, but died at another person's hand.
3: Abel killed him "prematurely."
4: He "got a bridge dropped on him." +9001 epic if this happened.
Also: Family reunions that involve single combat are the best kind!
Quote from: Unsilenced on May 09, 2010, 06:24:33 PM
4: He "got a bridge dropped on him." +9001 epic if this happened.
Rocks fall, everybody dies!
Quote from: Unsilenced on May 09, 2010, 06:24:33 PM
Also: Family reunions that involve single combat are the best kind!
No.
Though I do agree that Aniz getting bridge-squished would be an epic way to off him. Could we have Hizel do it?
Quote from: Unsilenced on May 09, 2010, 06:24:33 PM
Also: Family reunions that involve single combat are the best kind!
Ah not when firearms are available...to all parties.
PBH
Quote from: Tapewolf on May 09, 2010, 05:55:53 PM
Quote from: Congo Jack on May 09, 2010, 05:45:22 PM
True, cubi's way of life is not being who they seem to be. Still, wasn't the whole mess of Dan not being recognized as a cubi from the start, only possible because he has only one cubi parent?
Whatever race Dan's father is, he would have known that his son was likely a 'Cubi, since he knew he was marrying one and the wings on their son being the same as Destania's is a pretty big clue :P
The 'mess' of Dan not knowing was caused by both his parents vanishing before he was - in their opinion - old enough to know. Why they left it quite that late is something we don't have an answer to.
If you're suggesting that his headwings didn't come in at birth because he had Being blood, that's not actually how it works. You're either born completely 'Cubi or not 'Cubi at all, and if you're a 'Cubi, your headwings come in when you reach adulthood, regardless of whether you had one or two 'Cubi as parents.
See also: http://missmab.com/Comics/Vol_304.php
EDIT:
IIRC from Amber's comments, Aary's headwings came in around 19, which is considered very early. Both her parents were 'Cubi.
Oh, you're right. Somehow I thought that pureblood cubi newborn would look differently than Dan was (dead giveaway cubi signs like changing wings into tentacles randomly, for example). :mowdizzy
Quote from: Prof B Hunnydew on May 09, 2010, 07:09:54 PM
Quote from: Unsilenced on May 09, 2010, 06:24:33 PM
Also: Family reunions that involve single combat are the best kind!
Ah not when firearms are available...to all parties.
PBH
Firearms are available at all good parties!
...
wait...
Guns ... with silencers .... in bed!
:D
Quote from: Anker Steadfast on May 09, 2010, 07:23:18 PM
Guns ... with silencers .... in bed!
:D
Silencers?
PHHHHHHTTT
*points to screen name*
Quote from: Unsilenced on May 09, 2010, 07:20:05 PM
Quote from: Prof B Hunnydew on May 09, 2010, 07:09:54 PM
Quote from: Unsilenced on May 09, 2010, 06:24:33 PM
Also: Family reunions that involve single combat are the best kind!
Ah not when firearms are available...to all parties.
PBH
Firearms are available at all good parties!
wait...
Well that would reduce the guest list for the next reunion.
PBH
Wow Dan's reaction is quite blunt. :.
Quote from: jeffh4 on May 09, 2010, 03:33:59 PM
I was re-reading today's comic and had a thought. Abel has been trying so hard to not let anyone know anything about him or his past. He has wanted everyone to know absolutely zero personal information about him and his family. Now he's confiding this to Dan.
Maybe that dream had a profound effect on old freckle-face.
It could be because of the dream or it could be the fact that Aniz is already dead and there's no point in keeping a secret.
I have a feeling that Dan's dad, Edward, may have killed Aniz and that's why Abel feels compelled to tell him. Dan could know something about it, if his father told him anything in "father to son" confidentiality. And if I was in Abel's shoes, I'd be curious to know how my
plans were.....I mean father was killed. :3
Maybe Dan should get him a "I'm sorry my Dad killed your Dad" (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_639.php) card, and have a gift certificate inside. :P
Quote from: lilpuppy23 on May 09, 2010, 03:25:02 PM
I do believe Abel's definition of a "birthday" is outdated as well.
Gift Certificates? What are Gift Certificates?
They're what you give someone when you can't be bothered to actually
choose a gift for them.
Also, my theory on what happened to Aniz:
He came to Lost Lake many years ago, looking for an identity to steal. He came across one Edward Ti'Fiona, grabbed him, and began reading his mind for the info needed to take over his life. Unfortunately, this was just after Edward remarried...
The shock of discovering just
who Edward's new wife was left him paralysed just long enough for the adventurer to take him out. And that was the end of Aniz.
Quote from: LionHeart on May 10, 2010, 01:35:14 AM
Also, my theory on what happened to Aniz:
He came to Lost Lake many years ago, looking for an identity to steal. He came across one Edward Ti'Fiona, grabbed him, and began reading his mind for the info needed to take over his life. Unfortunately, this was just after Edward remarried...
The shock of discovering just who Edward's new wife was left him paralysed just long enough for the adventurer to take him out. And that was the end of Aniz.
No, I'm sure after being married happily to one, Edward placed "no killing cubi" policy in his place.
Quote from: Jairus on May 09, 2010, 02:40:39 AM
EDIT: 1K parties might involve your descendants who have disappointed you most and whiffle bats. Or muffins. Probably muffins.
What's a 1k party?
Quote from: Tapewolf on May 09, 2010, 06:29:03 AM
Quote from: Rambon on May 09, 2010, 06:07:59 AM
Although on another hand... how old was Aniz? He could have quite easily died from old age if he was anywhere near the 3000 (http://missmab.com/Demo/cubi.php) mark.
He would be about 840 in the present day. (see here (http://missmab.com/Comics/Ab_012.php) )
Aniz may not have died of old age yet, but his decisions may have caught up with and ended him (via Edward).
Quote from: Unsilenced on May 09, 2010, 06:24:33 PM
4: He "got a bridge dropped on him." +9001 epic if this happened.
Naah, he choked on a pretzel.
Quote from: AmigaDragon on May 10, 2010, 03:38:49 AM
What's a 1k party?
1000 years.
Quote from: Bjalf on May 10, 2010, 06:27:28 AMQuote from: Unsilenced on May 09, 2010, 06:24:33 PM4: He "got a bridge dropped on him." +9001 epic if this happened.
Naah, he choked on a pretzel.
Maybe there was a Pretzel on an
unstable bridge (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Bbr4o0bw3g&feature=related), and when he went out to get it, the bridge collapsed while he was choking! :U
Quote from: Anker Steadfast on May 10, 2010, 07:04:05 AM
Maybe there was a Pretzel on an unstable bridge (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Bbr4o0bw3g&feature=related), and when he went out to get it, the bridge collapsed while he was choking! :U
That's not an unstable bridge. This is an unstable bridge (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j-zczJXSxnw&feature=related) ... :erk
*The family reunion proceeds thusly*
*Abel* My name is Abel Rewanz. You are my father; prepare to die!
:giggle
Quote from: Professor Fate on May 09, 2010, 09:05:15 PM
Wow Dan's reaction is quite blunt. :.
I think Abel was hoping to scare Dan off. I don't think it worked.
Quote from: Madd the Sane on May 10, 2010, 01:43:48 PM
Quote from: Professor Fate on May 09, 2010, 09:05:15 PM
Wow Dan's reaction is quite blunt. :.
I think Abel was hoping to scare Dan off. I don't think it worked.
I think Abel is got over the shock and annoyances and is now a bit numb in the emotional department.
In other words he doesn't feel the energy to keep up such a stressful argument like he had with Wildly. Yelling at Dan wouldn't solve the problem with Dan so he's skipping to other subjects that Dan asked that are less stressful for him.
As for Dan being blunt. Well... Most adventurers seem to be that way
apologies if this has been brought up already, but...
http://missmab.com/Comics/Vol_527.php
i find it interesting that ink doesn't refer to dan as destania's son, but rather edward's. as if y'know...edward did something abel might admire, but that even that admirable thing is a sore point with abel.
just a thought.
Quote from: icarus on May 12, 2010, 06:58:15 PM
apologies if this has been brought up already, but...
http://missmab.com/Comics/Vol_527.php
i find it interesting that ink doesn't refer to dan as destania's son, but rather edward's. as if y'know...edward did something abel might admire, but that even that admirable thing is a sore point with abel.
just a thought.
So you're thinking that perhaps Dr. Ink mentions it because Edward may have killed Aniz, therefore saving Abel the trouble and trauma? Definitely possible.
Quote from: Arcblade on May 12, 2010, 08:06:20 PM
Quote from: icarus on May 12, 2010, 06:58:15 PM
apologies if this has been brought up already, but...
http://missmab.com/Comics/Vol_527.php
i find it interesting that ink doesn't refer to dan as destania's son, but rather edward's. as if y'know...edward did something abel might admire, but that even that admirable thing is a sore point with abel.
just a thought.
So you're thinking that perhaps Dr. Ink mentions it because Edward may have killed Aniz, therefore saving Abel the trouble and trauma? Definitely possible.
Considering the difference in life spans of cubi and Beings, Edward could be Abels little brother for all we know. :U
=^,~=
Nah... I bet my 25 karma points on Ed killing Aniz.
Then again, the definition of killing has become outdated, right?
Nah, I think Killing is still good to go .. it's the "staying dead" part that seems under reconstruction. :)
Quote from: Kira on May 13, 2010, 04:43:30 PM
=^,~=
Nah... I bet my 25 karma points on Ed killing Aniz.
Then again, the definition of killing has become outdated, right?
I would agree, except that the first panel (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_297.php) in addition of Destania's already-stated desire to completely destroy Aniz makes me figure that she just finished him off before she got to the inn.
Quote from: malocra on May 13, 2010, 11:12:11 PM
Quote from: Kira on May 13, 2010, 04:43:30 PM
=^,~=
Nah... I bet my 25 karma points on Ed killing Aniz.
Then again, the definition of killing has become outdated, right?
I would agree, except that the first panel (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_297.php) in addition of Destania's already-stated desire to completely destroy Aniz makes me figure that she just finished him off before she got to the inn.
Possible. But it's been said there's no wind strong enough to not change. She was pretty head-over-heels in love with him before crap went down, so she might have changed her mind. Or been beaten to the punch.
Also, welcome to the forums! :mowsmile