EDIT: (By the topic title I mean ABEL was not surprised, not that anyone else wasn't)
Congrats to who called Destania.
I..I want to be at that lecture :neko
.. so... hot... :love2
Clan Cyra... the dominatrix clan
I bet it surprised some of the readers. Oh, I don't know. Anyway we get more wonderful snark (Assuming that is the proper word)
Destania you must learn how to sneak!
Didn't surprise me.
And I guess we're getting close to the end of Abel's Story (*sniff sniff*) since Abel's starting to act like DMFA Abel a lot more now....
Quote from: MelSkunk on April 26, 2010, 01:44:52 AM
Clan Cyra... the dominatrix clan
I shall give you props for that one! :mowwink
I'm very curious to what she
may do with that riding crop....... >:3
Dee's outfit = very yes!
I mean Abel's not surprised, not that others weren't. I was surprised, I thought Fa' myself.
Destania's dominatrix outfit is giving me a nosebleed...
I find Abel's sarcastic and/or deadpan delivery funny :B :lol
Quote from: Drayco84 on April 26, 2010, 01:59:19 AM
Destania's dominatrix outfit is giving me a nosebleed...
I can't stop staring........ :D *drools*
Tea party you say? Revenge you say?
Hawt Destania is hawt.
And on the Destania note, she's looking pretty peeved at Abel those last few sentences.
Quote from: Zedd on April 26, 2010, 02:21:17 AM
Tea party you say? Revenge you say?
But nothing says revenge like a tea party and nothing says evil like pastries.
Won't you join me for vengeful tea and evil pastries? :doommuffin
Edward Ti'Fiona... one lucky dude, he is one lucky dude.
That's one impressive looking female figure. Almost makes me wanna do things I would not normally do.
My goodness, that outfit is terrifying. And yeah, Destania looks irked. Except unlike Aary, I predict a few biting comments that really have an effect rather than shouting and stuff, which raises the likelihood that Abel will actually listen, though he seems to have somewhat listened to Aary after all, he just didn't want to acknowledge it to her face.
One does start to apprechiate why Dan though Abel might have the hots for Destania, in a hot for teacher (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_813.php) kinda way.
Though Dan's imagination regarding her outfit, isn't up to par with reality.
:D
Edit :
Forgot to put Abel in there. :B
Quote from: joshofspam on April 26, 2010, 02:34:07 AM
Quote from: Zedd on April 26, 2010, 02:21:17 AM
Tea party you say? Revenge you say?
But nothing says revenge like a tea party and nothing says evil like pastries.
Won't you join me for vengeful tea and evil pastries? :doommuffin
Would you like a jelly baby? :B
*drools*
Can't think of anything except how hot Destie is!
I do wonder about Destania's personality, even before she had her heart broken she was apparently fairly evil. At the moment Dan seems to be in the same boat as Lorenda, in that one of his parents has done terrible things, but being a terrible parent wasn't one of them. But still do go from evil incarnate to loving wife and mother, how much has she truly changed and how much is an act?
With regards to Destania, knowing full well that I would likely die and suffer horribly at her hands, as long as she's wearing that outfit I have only one thing to say: Yes want.
Quote from: Anker Steadfast on April 26, 2010, 03:34:26 AM
One does start to apprechiate why Dan though might have the hots for Destania, in a hot for teacher (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_813.php) kinda way.
Though Dan's imagination regarding her outfit, isn't up to par with reality.
:D
Your spelling and grammar mistakes give me a moments pause here.. you make it sound like Dan might have the hots for his own mother and that's just not right.
Quote from: InsanityRequiem on April 26, 2010, 02:27:26 AM
Hawt Destania is hawt.
And on the Destania note, she's looking pretty peeved at Abel those last few sentences.
Peeved? Looks more like smug and amused to me.
Dan's mom is so metal
Quote from: Drayco84 on April 26, 2010, 01:59:19 AM
Destania's dominatrix outfit is giving me a nosebleed...
Niles Crane lying or RocketToDaMoon?
Quote from: Mao Laoren on April 26, 2010, 05:24:17 AM
With regards to Destania, knowing full well that I would likely die and suffer horribly at her hands, as long as she's wearing that outfit I have only one thing to say: Yes want.
Quote from: Anker Steadfast on April 26, 2010, 03:34:26 AM
One does start to apprechiate why Dan though might have the hots for Destania, in a hot for teacher (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_813.php) kinda way.
Though Dan's imagination regarding her outfit, isn't up to par with reality.
:D
Your spelling and grammar mistakes give me a moments pause here.. you make it sound like Dan might have the hots for his own mother and that's just not right.
I think he's referring to the comic where Dan asked Abel what Destania was like at the academy. I can't find the comic and don't have time to search, or I'd link it.
Also, I definitely called that it was Destania. I further predict the next Abel's story comic will be the last one, and Amber can go back to having a sane update schedule again (maybe).
Oh I know what he was referring to, but the way he worded that first sentence is disturbing. :P
I wouldn't be too proud of 'calling' things. Last I checked it annoyed folks. Better to just sit back and bask in your call.
Quote from: Madd the Sane on April 26, 2010, 02:01:23 AM
I find Abel's sarcastic and/or deadpan delivery funny :B :lol
My immediate thoughts were, "Ooooh! Looks like
someone's been hanging out with Fa'Lina quite a bit. Enough that he's sounding a bit like her."
Actually the word that springs to mind isn't hawt, but 'sag'. Not as in age, but as in a performer that's just left the public view, and let their stage-persona sag a little. If she is a dominatrix, then how much of what she does/says is an act?
And I'd have said the last panel was amused as well.
I wonder if Abel is reminding her of Aniz right now? In a good way. "You father wasn't afraid of me either." Is is possible that if there are no witnesses around, and it serves her purposes, that Destina is <gasp!> actually capable of doing and saying nice things?
That's a lovely scrunchy, Miss Dest.
Something which has occurred to me..
Arryanna does have a point, and while availing himself of training and potential allies at SAIA would definitely make Abel more than a match for Aniz if he made full use of both. Granted it wouldn't make it a slam dunk, but the margin for doubt of success wouldn't be so great as to justify Abel not even making an attempt.
I'd previously attributed his unusual reluctance to a lack of experience and perspective, from his P.O.V his dad is a scary and invincible monster and there was no hope of challenging him.. but now, I think Abel chose his current path because he thinks he deserves it. He is his father's son, and deserves to be alone, away from loved ones, away from his mother, for their own sake. Once you get into a depressive state of mind martyrdom can be very seductive.
Destina's outfit = bathing suit + heavy metal.
Quote from: Jairus on April 26, 2010, 03:27:44 AM
And yeah, Destania looks irked.
Eh, she doesn't look terribly irked to me. More of an evil grin/smirk. That and the hold of the crop makes me wonder if Abel's about to get a strike upside the head with it.
Quote from: Zedd on April 26, 2010, 03:44:36 AM
Quote from: joshofspam on April 26, 2010, 02:34:07 AM
Quote from: Zedd on April 26, 2010, 02:21:17 AM
Tea party you say? Revenge you say?
But nothing says revenge like a tea party and nothing says evil like pastries.
Won't you join me for vengeful tea and evil pastries? :doommuffin
Would you like a jelly baby? :B
No, a Maple Scone will do nicely.
Though I cant get over Distania's smirk.
It's like she's thinking, "Why you little brat "snicker" you have progressed well Abel. Maybe now you'll be of use to me". Wonder if she's going to play Abel along just to waist his time while amusing herself?
Yes. Now I can see why Abel told Dan that his mom was evil.
So you came up with a scenario in your own head, played it out and used this to determine that she was evil?
Quote from: Mao Laoren on April 26, 2010, 10:36:50 AM
So you came up with a scenario in your own head, played it out and used this to determine that she was evil?
Well so for she hasn't said anything to disprove it.
Though her one saving grace of being honest isn't much comfort when she says the things she says.
This could be a one sided slant of view given Abel's comments on her, after all she didn't seem so evil when we have flashbacks of Dan and his mom. We don't know if she's evil now for sure but she generally plays for that side at least it seems when she is interacting with Able in the past.
If anything it's more of an interpretation of what we have learned thus for about Destinia in the past and it has been a while from her first meeting with Abel, so she might have had a slight change of heart since than. Though I don't know if that would be necessarily a good thing.
So when I say that "I can see why Abel thinks she's evil" I definitely mean I see why and not "Definitely is evil". The idea is based thus for on what we know and is not at all based on a certainly.
But what is in life?
Quote from: Mao Laoren on April 26, 2010, 07:45:19 AM
Oh I know what he was referring to, but the way he worded that first sentence is disturbing. :P
I wouldn't be too proud of 'calling' things. Last I checked it annoyed folks. Better to just sit back and bask in your call.
Oh darn. Duly noted. Apologies to any annoyed Ambers in the vicinity.
Re: Destania's expression- I originally thought she looked irritated as well, but then I took a closer look at her mouth. There's a quirk in her face off to our left that makes me think it's more of a sly expression or a smirk of amusement than a scowl.
Quote from: Mao Laoren on April 26, 2010, 05:24:17 AMYour spelling and grammar mistakes give me a moments pause here.. you make it sound like Dan might have the hots for his own mother and that's just not right.
You are absolutely right, it's not right ... because I totally forgot to put Abels name in there.
My fault really, I have edited it in, so it makes more sense now.
Sorry about that.
I could have sworn I wrote abels name in the original post though ... there must be gremlins about!
Quote from: Arcblade on April 26, 2010, 07:39:44 AMI think he's referring to the comic where Dan asked Abel what Destania was like at the academy. I can't find the comic and don't have time to search, or I'd link it.
Yes, yes indeedy I was .. in fact I linked to it as well with the "
hot for teacher (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_813.php)" bit. But yes, you are absolutely correct.
What I failed to do, was add abels name in my post, which made the whole thing rather weird.
One of these decades I'll try to list out the unanswered mysteries and questions in the plot that exist to date.
One of them showed up here (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_695.php): Why was Abel so reluctant to go to the Twink Territories? Possibly because he knew Destania was there (or was told so by Fa'Lina).
Perhaps something will happen in the next few Abel's Stories that will tell us why Abel would be reluctant to meet Destania again. Perhaps his knowing Dan would be some sort of leverage for her to force Abel into joining her revenge scheme. Maybe she knows the same thing that forced Abel into leaving the Academy in the first place (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_597.php).
Anyway, we'll see.
Alternatively, he didn't want to leave Dan unprotected, especially since he thought Pyroduck would be staying at the inn.
Well, it's not just Abel that thinks Destania is evil. Fi thinks so as well. (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_814.php)
Wow. That's all I can say about Dee. Just wow.
And that last panel looks like an amused smirk to me.
Idea: What if Destania being evil is an act. Although Cyra clan probably wasn't as big as Siar, being the sole surviving descendant had to have been traumatic to her. All her brothers and sisters gone, as well as their children. Probably was in stages other than all at once, but still...
I know, I know: :B
Quote from: jeffh4 on April 26, 2010, 03:32:37 PM
One of them showed up here (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_695.php): Why was Abel so reluctant to go to the Twink Territories? Possibly because he knew Destania was there (or was told so by Fa'Lina).
I thought it was because he didn't want an unknown and possibly dangerous dragon (Pyro, and who can blame Abel? It's not like Fa'Lina actually name the one nice dragon (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_728.php)) to say with Dan unsupervised.
Quote from: Pvblivs on April 26, 2010, 04:11:49 PM
Well, it's not just Abel that thinks Destania is evil. Fi thinks so as well. (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_814.php)
I'm beginning to suspect evil is a matter of where a creature stands.
I suspect the cubi race might have had more infighting with other clans about certain issues that they may not agree with than any other creature race.
I wonder if the dragons attacked during a heated argument between the clans?
I like the way Dee looks utterly bored by Abel's comments, as if thinking - this phase will soon be over, but how i wish it was over NOW!
Hmm, leather garbs are not my mustard-glass of tea
Quote from: jeffh4 on April 26, 2010, 03:32:37 PM
One of them showed up here (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_695.php): Why was Abel so reluctant to go to the Twink Territories? Possibly because he knew Destania was there (or was told so by Fa'Lina).
I always thought that was more because Abel was afraid to leave Dan alone with Pyroduck... a dragon, after all. And for some reason, the dragons have it in for clan Cyra.
Quote from: Arcblade on April 26, 2010, 06:02:46 PM
I always thought that was more because Abel was afraid to leave Dan alone with Pyroduck... a dragon, after all. And for some reason, the dragons have it in for clan Cyra.
If I recall correctly, Destania and Biggs are working to end the dragon race. The dragons seem to know this.
However, since apparently Cyra's ascension sparked the war, one could argue that this is the primary cause her clan is despised by the dragons. (http://www.missmab.com/Demo/Leader10.php)
Quote from: jeffh4 on April 26, 2010, 03:32:37 PM
One of them showed up here (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_695.php): Why was Abel so reluctant to go to the Twink Territories? Possibly because he knew Destania was there (or was told so by Fa'Lina).
I don't think so. It appears (to me) that Abel just didn't want to go. It looks like Abel's primary concern is keeping Dan safe and teaching him the basics about his Cubi abilities.
His response to anything else is a slash from his rapier wit, or a deadpan.
Quote from: RandomMetaphysics on April 26, 2010, 06:42:08 PM
Quote from: Arcblade on April 26, 2010, 06:02:46 PM
I always thought that was more because Abel was afraid to leave Dan alone with Pyroduck... a dragon, after all. And for some reason, the dragons have it in for clan Cyra.
If I recall correctly, Destania and Biggs are working to end the dragon race. The dragons seem to know this.
However, since apparently Cyra's ascension sparked the war, one could argue that this is the primary cause her clan is despised by the dragons. (http://www.missmab.com/Demo/Leader10.php)
Yeah... my guess is that Cyra drained a few dragon souls somehow for her ascension. But it's pure speculation, of course. :)
Quote from: Anker Steadfast on April 26, 2010, 03:34:26 AM
One does start to apprechiate why Dan though Abel might have the hots for Destania, in a hot for teacher (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_813.php) kinda way.
Though Dan's imagination regarding her outfit, isn't up to par with reality.
:D
Edit :
Forgot to put Abel in there. :B
Aww..Cute Abel is cute.
GYAH! The gay for Abel is truly beginning to kick in!
On topic now...
Yea, I think I will just sit here and agree with everyone who has typed in before me.
-Destania looks great
-Abel looks Anrgy/Fed up
-Vengeful tea and evil pastries sound delicious.
Quote from: Arcblade on April 26, 2010, 11:34:03 AM
Re: Destania's expression- I originally thought she looked irritated as well, but then I took a closer look at her mouth. There's a quirk in her face off to our left that makes me think it's more of a sly expression or a smirk of amusement than a scowl.
Yes. On the right side of her face (left side of picture) there's a mark on her cheek. It looked rather like the cut Aniz gave her, which she might have deliberately kept for various psychologically-broken reasons. I thought it was this at first, and that would make her look annoyed.
However, if you draw a line between the 'scar' and her mouth, the 'scar' becomes the corner of her mouth and her expression becomes one of amusement, which on balance seems more likely.
Quote from: joshofspam on April 26, 2010, 11:06:10 AM
Well so for she hasn't said anything to disprove it.
...
So when I say that "I can see why Abel thinks she's evil" I definitely mean I see why and not "Definitely is evil". The idea is based thus for on what we know and is not at all based on a certainly.
...
The point I was more making that, from your post, you played out a scenario in your own head and used that to call her evil when there's plenty of other resources that point to her morals being quite different from the mainstream. As for the rest of it, I think you had it pegged pretty well: Evil is relative to one's point of view. I could go on and on about the finer philosophical aspects of this but simply put: to the starving man, stealing that bread isn't evil, it's a necessity. In fact, he likely considers it evil that he's punished so for only trying to survive. This is the most common argument for this sort of discussion, forgive me for abusing it once more, but I think it fits. Each is doing their best to survive and to ensure their own safety and happiness. Even if it requires doing some things that some others might consider 'evil'.
Quote from: Mao Laoren on April 27, 2010, 07:38:41 AM
Quote from: joshofspam on April 26, 2010, 11:06:10 AM
Well so for she hasn't said anything to disprove it.
...
So when I say that "I can see why Abel thinks she's evil" I definitely mean I see why and not "Definitely is evil". The idea is based thus for on what we know and is not at all based on a certainly.
...
The point I was more making that, from your post, you played out a scenario in your own head and used that to call her evil when there's plenty of other resources that point to her morals being quite different from the mainstream. As for the rest of it, I think you had it pegged pretty well: Evil is relative to one's point of view. I could go on and on about the finer philosophical aspects of this but simply put: to the starving man, stealing that bread isn't evil, it's a necessity. In fact, he likely considers it evil that he's punished so for only trying to survive. This is the most common argument for this sort of discussion, forgive me for abusing it once more, but I think it fits. Each is doing their best to survive and to ensure their own safety and happiness. Even if it requires doing some things that some others might consider 'evil'.
I remember a movie that used that scenario.
The poor man that is arrested for stealing bred for his family and escapes.
The warden goes after him and the only noticeable characteristics of the man are his branding and his ability to lift heavy things with pure determination.
So when the warden finally finds him, his view on the man changes and I think that he had a poor set view if you broke the law you are a blight to society and deserved to be locked up.
At the end having his view put in doubt, along with going against his very point of view of life and acting against his own view of the laws he enforced he jumps of the bridge rather then deal with the guilt and shame of letting the man go.
I wonder if that story was ever a book before it was a movie?
Quote from: joshofspam on April 27, 2010, 09:11:31 AM
I remember a movie that used that scenario.
The poor man that is arrested for stealing bred for his family and escapes.
The warden goes after him and the only noticeable characteristics of the man are his branding and his ability to lift heavy things with pure determination.
So when the warden finally finds him, his view on the man changes and I think that he had a poor set view if you broke the law you are a blight to society and deserved to be locked up.
At the end having his view put in doubt, along with going against his very point of view of life and acting against his own view of the laws he enforced he jumps of the bridge rather then deal with the guilt and shame of letting the man go.
I wonder if that story was ever a book before it was a movie?
Oh that's, um... Les Miserables! Yes, there's a novel as well as a musical. As well as at least 10 movie adaptations, according to Wikipedia.
It also was the best running Broadway play ever, right? It's been running for, like, the last twenty-five years.
I really like the Master of the house song, although in the czech version the text, it is much better.
is called "hlava mazana" (clever head) I saw it in a silvestre program .
Really fiits the way business is done!
Quote from: Scrap Fish on April 27, 2010, 09:51:10 AM
It also was the best running Broadway play ever, right? It's been running for, like, the last twenty-five years.
Nope, beaten by 2 other shows (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_the_longest-running_Broadway_shows).
Perhaps understandable. I'd rather watch a show about cats than about people being miserable.
And yet here you are commenting on a comic that is about both.
Quote from: Mao Laoren on April 27, 2010, 10:23:18 AM
And yet here you are commenting on a comic that is about both.
The only time miserable people show in this comic is when Amber does a filler.
At least if we are to believe her
not like it was terribly complicated, but here is Destania cleaned up:
(http://img148.imageshack.us/img148/2820/destania.png)
Quote from: Mao Laoren on April 27, 2010, 10:23:18 AM
And yet here you are commenting on a comic that is about both.
Of course! I love anthropomorphic cats. And the misery here is sporadic and often humorous, much preferable to the sad, drawn-out misery so lovingly described in supposedly great literature.
If I wanted to experience misery, I'd read newspapers or watch the news. I don't, so I read DMFA instead.
Quote from: Bjalf on April 27, 2010, 10:37:41 AM
Quote from: Mao Laoren on April 27, 2010, 10:23:18 AM
And yet here you are commenting on a comic that is about both.
Of course! I love anthropomorphic cats. And the misery here is sporadic and often humorous, much preferable to the sad, drawn-out misery so lovingly described in supposedly great literature.
If I wanted to experience misery, I'd read newspapers or watch the news. I don't, so I read DMFA instead.
A lot of IRL misery is entertaining too.Sometimes even when you participate
Quote from: Kuari on April 26, 2010, 06:25:05 AM
Quote from: InsanityRequiem on April 26, 2010, 02:27:26 AM
Hawt Destania is hawt.
And on the Destania note, she's looking pretty peeved at Abel those last few sentences.
Peeved? Looks more like smug and amused to me.
Though at first she looks a bit more bored.
SAIA is weird.
Quote from: null0010 on April 27, 2010, 10:31:43 AM
not like it was terribly complicated, but here is Destania cleaned up:
(http://img148.imageshack.us/img148/2820/destania.png)
What is with the asymmetrical sleeves of that outfit? It almost looks like a skimpy set of jousting plate; the weapon arm sporting more overall armor. But it's leather... As though she's about to do battle with another whip wielding 'cubi...
Erm...
/drool :eager
Hmm, looks i am the only one who *doesn't* have a skimpy leather outfit fixation.
Well... I'm female... and straight... and not particularly into bondage, so... no, you're not. :mowtongue
Well... I'm male.. and straight... and while bondage doesn't particularly interest me (but it can be quite hot).. strength does. Dee has it, imho. This outfit just adds to the whole idea. :>
To each their own really.
Am I the only one who read 'element of suspense ' as 'element of surprise' the first few times?
Quote from: Mrs_A_ZeTavia on April 26, 2010, 02:05:28 AM
Quote from: Drayco84 on April 26, 2010, 01:59:19 AM
Destania's dominatrix outfit is giving me a nosebleed...
I can't stop staring........ :D *drools*
We have "Gay for Abel", now ew need "Gay for Dominatrix Destania" or something...
Quote from: Aurawyn on April 27, 2010, 10:45:54 PM
Quote from: Mrs_A_ZeTavia on April 26, 2010, 02:05:28 AM
Quote from: Drayco84 on April 26, 2010, 01:59:19 AM
Destania's dominatrix outfit is giving me a nosebleed...
I can't stop staring........ :D *drools*
We have "Gay for Abel", now ew need "Gay for Dominatrix Destania" or something...
otherwise if a non-gender-based one is required....
"Sub for dominatrix Destania"
Now, if Dan had seen his mother in that outfit (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_813.php) ...
Edit:
Actually, that gives me an idea. To force Dan to learn how to block his own and other peoples minds, Abel just has to think strongly of Destania in that outfit whenever Dan is around.
Quote from: Bjalf on April 28, 2010, 06:10:30 AM
Now, if Dan had seen his mother in that outfit (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_813.php) ...
Edit:
Actually, that gives me an idea. To force Dan to learn how to block his own and other peoples minds, Abel just has to think strongly of Destania in that outfit whenever Dan is around.
There's a slight problem with that. Abel seems not to want to think of Destania at all.
Thinking about Aary like that might work too, though we don't know that Abel ever reciprocated her desire (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Ab_098.php) or even mere attraction.
Looking at the "she's EEEEEEEVIL!!!" arguments going on, I'd like to point out that Amber has shown several times that "evil" is a matter of perspective. Reference, Kria paying a fine for killing someone.
Consider this -
Most folks eat meat. It comes from a variety of animals including pigs and cows. While cows aren't all that intelligent, pigs can be. In fact, pigs have proven to be problem solving intelligent at times. Regardless, we eat them. They're food - something we need to consume to live.
If you were a Cubi, you need to eat emotions. Depending on your clan, that gets into many different emotions. Some are tasty, some are repellent. Ink, for example, doesn't like the taste of Joy. If you happen to feed off of despair and pain, you're not going to be having a positive interaction with your host.
So, if they're food.. and you're only doing what you need to survive.. how is that evil?
Note the important distinction here - I'm suggesting some Cubi don't view beings as people. They're just food! "Happy Meals with legs" to quote Spike.
Also be aware, it's possible to experience emotions without negative impact. Consider the last movie you saw. Most modern movies try to run the emotional range. Frustration, joy, elation, triumph, defeat, humor, love.. If a movie is depressing and makes you feel bad, is the movie evil, then?
I agree - it is simply a clash in species' interests - something like 1st and 2nd world back then.
The cubi have no second qualms about "resolving" beings, and the opposite - is not a matter of morals as of nature.
I can just about imagine going - Nothing personal against you, but here's a bullet!
(Ok, i would probably fervently try to become one - tentacles, teleportation, no food bills, a shot at achieving immortality... sounds like a career plan)
Quote from: Atharyn on April 29, 2010, 08:28:13 PM
Most folks eat meat. It comes from a variety of animals including pigs and cows. While cows aren't all that intelligent, pigs can be. In fact, pigs have proven to be problem solving intelligent at times. Regardless, we eat them. They're food - something we need to consume to live.
If you were a Cubi, you need to eat emotions. Depending on your clan, that gets into many different emotions. Some are tasty, some are repellent. Ink, for example, doesn't like the taste of Joy. If you happen to feed off of despair and pain, you're not going to be having a positive interaction with your host.
This is true, but it's a bit more murky with 'Cubi. They aren't restricted only to the emotions which their clan thrives on, though they seem to get better results from that. If you don't like your clan's affinity - think Abel - you can focus on provoking other emotions if you want, or just consume everything passively and supplement your diet with physical food.
QuoteNote the important distinction here - I'm suggesting some Cubi don't view beings as people. They're just food! "Happy Meals with legs" to quote Spike.
That's almost certainly the case with Destania. However, to go back to your earlier analogy, there is an important difference. A young 'Cubi is basically a Being with wings. Their father or mother can be a Being. If humans were pigs until they matured, or could have a pig as one parent, I'm not so sure they would be on the menu.
A full-blood 'Cubi may well be as you say, but to my mind, 'Cubi who have a Being parent are likely to be a bit more sympathetic to Beings, especially if they thought they were one.
Quote from: Atharyn on April 29, 2010, 08:28:13 PM
Looking at the "she's EEEEEEEVIL!!!" arguments going on, I'd like to point out that Amber has shown several times that "evil" is a matter of perspective. Reference, Kria paying a fine for killing someone.
Consider this -
Most folks eat meat. ...
If you were a Cubi, you need to eat emotions. ...
So, if they're food.. and you're only doing what you need to survive.. how is that evil?
If consuming said emotions (like an overflow over a dam) doesn't harm the food source, how could it be considered evil?
Quote from: Shachza on April 27, 2010, 07:04:31 PM
Quote from: null0010 on April 27, 2010, 10:31:43 AM
not like it was terribly complicated, but here is Destania cleaned up:
(http://img148.imageshack.us/img148/2820/destania.png)
What is with the asymmetrical sleeves of that outfit?
i would go with "it looks cool."
Quote from: AmigaDragon on April 30, 2010, 09:43:49 PM
If consuming said emotions (like an overflow over a dam) doesn't harm the food source, how could it be considered evil?
It's the thought that counts.
Quote from: null0010 on April 30, 2010, 10:11:15 PM
Quote from: Shachza on April 27, 2010, 07:04:31 PM
What is with the asymmetrical sleeves of that outfit?
i would go with "it looks cool."
One is for pleasure, the other is for pain. Hmmm, but which is which?
Quote from: AmigaDragon on April 30, 2010, 09:43:49 PM
If consuming said emotions (like an overflow over a dam) doesn't harm the food source, how could it be considered evil?
Well, there's actually about four distinct feeding patterns, five if we include eating food.
First is passive absorption, which is more-or-less what Dan does. That, as you say, is pretty innocuous. You just make sure you live and/or work in a reasonably crowded area and the emotions will come to you. At most, going to church or some social event once a week certainly won't do any harm.
Secondly, is deliberately provoking emotions, or otherwise going out of your way to get them. This is probably what he/she was referring to - this would be where someone like Destania or Aary would deliberately inflict pain on a victim so that they had the full benefit of it, or those guys in Que'tnar clan who kidnap babies for desperate parents.
Of course, it doesn't have to be that way, since a pain 'Cubi could work in A&E without causing any harm. Someone like Dan could (and probably does) get their kicks from slaying rampaging monsters. And then you have theatre actors. You probably get a lot of 'Cubi working as projectionists or cinema ushers as well.
Thirdly, there's feeding off dream energy, which has not been shown in the comic and we know nothing about, other than that it was mentioned in the cast page.
Fourthly, we have soul-eating, but this seems to be comparative rare. As a general rule, 'Cubi prefer not to kill their prey - as I understand it - since you can't harvest the emotions from dead people.
Of course, there's always option two via option four - soul feeding so you can eat the pain of the people related to the recently deceased...
Kind of like having your cake and eating it too, as it were.
Quote from: llearch n'n'daCorna on May 01, 2010, 05:38:22 AM
Of course, there's always option two via option four - soul feeding so you can eat the pain of the people related to the recently deceased...
Kind of like having your cake and eating it too, as it were.
I can imagine Destania doing that, but for most people, I suspect it would shorten your life considerably if you made a habit of doing that. Taun and Nact'larn clan might decide that you're giving the race bad PR, for instance.
Quote from: Tapewolf on May 01, 2010, 07:37:11 AM
I can imagine Destania doing that, but for most people, I suspect it would shorten your life considerably if you made a habit of doing that. Taun and Nact'larn clan might decide that you're giving the race bad PR, for instance.
Nact'larn, maybe, but i am not persuaded about Taun - Aniz ruined several long-time diplomatic works on his rampage, and murdered several folk straight in city , yer Fa'Lina could not sort him out because Taun was against
To me Taun seems to be protective of cubi no matter what the clan or misdeeds , simply because "them are me family"