Omg it's CYRAAA--wait, what. WHAT.
I was not expecting to read that stuff... especially not the population. All of this stuff - it explains so much, and yet explains so little. :< So this is why Destania needs to remain in hiding. And this is why the Dragon-Cubi War started.
Wow.
WOW.
Cue rampant speculation!
Oh, I love Cubi Clan Leaders.
Woah, heavy.
Now, the interesting thing is of course that there are two members. Presumably Cyra doesn't count. Otherwise something rather odd is going on.
Cyra doesn't count-or it's unknown about Dan, who was only born roughly 25 years ago. This is done by Mink-and even he is unsure if Cyra even exists.
Also: This explains a lot. :(
Edit-I wonder if Aniz had more reason to hit Destania besides the whole 'you held me back' story.
I wonder if she soul ate some dragons to quicken her ascension to tri-wing status............that would probably make any dragon mad! >:O
Quote from: tikitori on March 19, 2010, 12:05:47 PM
Cyra doesn't count-or it's unknown about Dan, who was only born roughly 25 years ago. This is done by Mink-and even he is unsure if Cyra even exists.
Also: This explains a lot. :(
In other words, unreliable narrator.
It's easy to forget that this is not necessarily 100% true word of god from Amber, it's a research paper by Mink.
yeah, I was gonna comment about clan strength of 2 as well. :<
Alternatively, we don't even know when this report was done. Given the timeframe that we know Mink, it may have been done before Dan was born.
Though I still think the most likely answer is that the leaders aren't counted.
Interresting, Cyra seams to be the second smalest clan after Siar. Also a page that comes to mind here is page 936 http://missmab.com/Comics/Vol_936.php
Knowing Cyra's past I do wonder how other cubi will react to Dan, a direct relation to not only one of the scariest teachers in SAIA but grandson of a clan leader who nearly got them all wiped out. Of course they have to find out first, but given Dan's record for foot in mouth disorder...
Quote from: Reese Tora on March 19, 2010, 12:08:24 PM
Quote from: tikitori on March 19, 2010, 12:05:47 PM
Cyra doesn't count-or it's unknown about Dan, who was only born roughly 25 years ago. This is done by Mink-and even he is unsure if Cyra even exists.
Also: This explains a lot. :(
In other words, unreliable narrator.
It's easy to forget that this is not necessarily 100% true word of god from Amber, it's a research paper by Mink.
yeah, I was gonna comment about clan strength of 2 as well. :<
Seeing how quickly he did it, I think he just copy-and-pasted it from whataver equivalent of the internet they had at the time
Quote from: MT Hazard on March 19, 2010, 12:25:31 PM
Knowing Cyra's past I do wonder how other cubi will react to Dan, a direct relation to not only one of the scariest teachers in SAIA but grandson of a clan leader who nearly got them all wiped out. Of course they have to find out first, but given Dan's record for foot in mouth disorder...
That's a big assumption you are making there. Just because the last pin on the haystack caused it to topple, doesn't mean that the pin itself is at fault. Incidently, I suspect that the method of Cyra's ascension, and the reason why said ascension caused the whole war is related to the other clan ability not mentioned here: the ability to block scrying.
Quote from: Psaakyrn on March 19, 2010, 12:39:40 PM
Quote from: MT Hazard on March 19, 2010, 12:25:31 PM
Knowing Cyra's past I do wonder how other cubi will react to Dan, a direct relation to not only one of the scariest teachers in SAIA but grandson of a clan leader who nearly got them all wiped out. Of course they have to find out first, but given Dan's record for foot in mouth disorder...
That's a big assumption you are making there. Just because the last pin on the haystack caused it to topple, doesn't mean that the pin itself is at fault. Incidently, I suspect that the method of Cyra's ascension, and the reason why said ascension caused the whole war is related to the other clan ability not mentioned here: the ability to block scrying.
True, but you can't always rely on people (or cubi) to think logical. There is also the fact his clan affinity is pain, the fact he is a former adventurer (and son of a former adventurer). I think its a big optimistic to think his time in SAIA will be trouble free.
And yes the scry blocking may be connected, good job for remembering that.
Quote from: Jack McSlay on March 19, 2010, 12:38:08 PM
Seeing how quickly he did it, I think he just copy-and-pasted it from whataver equivalent of the internet they had at the time
http://missmab.com/Demo/Leader01.php (http://missmab.com/Demo/Leader01.php)
If he did, he failed. Says there that he can't use the internet.
Shoving aside all the debate over the info for a sec, she does look rather lovely in that dress.
Quote from: Feather Dancer on March 19, 2010, 01:01:08 PM
Shoving aside all the debate over the info for a sec, she does look rather lovely in that dress.
Oh man, I know. I love the design on the front and the expression on her face.. Love it <3.
It's about time we saw Dan's Clan's Leader. She does look awesome in that dress, and I love the strong family resemblance between her and Dan.
Quote from: ChaosMageX on March 19, 2010, 01:31:57 PM
It's about time we saw Dan's Clan's Leader. She does look awesome in that dress, and I love the strong family resemblance between her and Dan.
She also appeared at http://missmab.com/Comics/Vol_1000.php for reference.
Quote from: Feather Dancer on March 19, 2010, 01:01:08 PM
Shoving aside all the debate over the info for a sec, she does look rather lovely in that dress.
She does look rather fantastic in that outfit. I also love her hair.
http://clockworkmansion.com/forum/index.php/topic,1676.msg67227.html#msg67227
Here, this shows Destainia is 7026 y/o, and it is a rather undisputable source.
Now the Mink's paper says cyra is 7000 years old.
Either there is something extremely fishy going on , or Mink's paper is worse than some wikipedia articles
Quote from: danman on March 19, 2010, 01:59:41 PM
http://clockworkmansion.com/forum/index.php/topic,1676.msg67227.html#msg67227
Here, this shows Destainia is 7026 y/o, and it is a rather undisputable source.
Now the Mink's paper says cyra is 7000 years old.
Either there is something extremely fishy going on , or Mink's paper is worse than some wikipedia articles
The ages were rounded down to the nearest thousand according to the * on Kish'ta's entry so she could have had Dee/the other nuked kids "fairly young".
I actually find it funny with how surprised people are to see that the clan strength is '2.' Awhile back, when re-rereading the Return of Dark Pegusus arc (I find DMFA enjoyable, even after the first time, sue me), I noticed that in this comic (http://missmab.com/Comics/Vol_1002.php), Cyra says, and I quote: "Only Destania remains, and she has long since given up the ability to dream." So I figured the clan strength would be listed as either two or three.
I didn't bring it up since the comic was already into Paint the Town Red, and I felt it would a choice between necroing old threads, or bringing up unrelated topic. I guess either I reread my favorite arcs more often than the current active forumites, I pay more attention to rants/rambles than most.
Funny how the scry-blocking isn't mentioned. I guess either it was considered more widely-known, less-notable, or Mink didn't bother doing more than three facts.
On notes of appearance, she seems to like those orbs on her hair. I wonder what they're made of, how heavy they are, and if they serve any purpose other than appearance? I also just noticed that she has reeeaaaly long hair.
Anyone else notice that the clan symbol is missing? I had previously assumed that not all clan leaders have the symbol on their chest, but I guess either they're just not shown in this report, or Aaryanna was right in that some stronger Cubi can hide their clan symbols (I checked the LiveJournal just yesterday).
On the age, I guess she was relatively young when she ascended. That or it's the age of the clan, rather than the leader.
Hmm, the smallest will be Fa'lina's clan with membership of 1
Besides how would mink know Dan is Destainia's son (or that she had any kids at all...)
Makes me wonder how the war started though.
Quote from: Tapewolf on March 19, 2010, 12:03:10 PM
Woah, heavy.
Now, the interesting thing is of course that there are two members. Presumably Cyra doesn't count. Otherwise something rather odd is going on.
Actually there are a few possibilities:
1) Cyra and Destania
2) Destania and Dan
3) Destania and <Insert Mystery Guest Name Here>
All of the counts are "members" not "known members," so I would conclude that Cubi have some way of knowing exactly how many there are of each clan. Not quite as infallible as the Fae, but still. Though this count may or may not include cubi that have not yet manifested their clan marking.
I suppose we'll get our answer when we see Fa'Lina's page. Her Clan members will either be zero or one, and that will clear things up (maybe).
No speculation yet on what the linchpin was? OK, here's a theory: Cyra convinced a dragon to give up all his wealth to charity. This task, once considered to be impossible, created great animosity directed from Dragons towards all Cubi. Compared to that accomplishment, achieving tri-wing status was as simple as pie.
So I wonder if there are any male clan leaders at all?
Quote from: jeffh4 on March 19, 2010, 02:17:08 PM
Quote from: Tapewolf on March 19, 2010, 12:03:10 PM
Woah, heavy.
Now, the interesting thing is of course that there are two members. Presumably Cyra doesn't count. Otherwise something rather odd is going on.
Actually there are a few possibilities:
1) Cyra and Destania
2) Destania and Dan
3) Destania and <Insert Mystery Guest Name Here>
All of the counts are "members" not "known members," so I would conclude that Cubi have some way of knowing exactly how many there are of each clan. Though this may or may not include cubi that have not yet manifested their clan marking.
Ehm... No.
It writes they are not even so sure whether she is alive, as she has not shown up much (apparently Mink is among those who do think she is) but they would have the exact number of members, like the agent-board in that film with terence hill and bud spencer :D
I think this comes to Mink's lack of academic rigor ... let's face it, how many of you have been so careful when writing university coursework?
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Quote from: Garsemor on March 19, 2010, 12:14:07 PM
Interresting, Cyra seams to be the second smalest clan after Siar.
You're forgetting Fa'Lina's clan.
No speculation yet on what the linchpin was? OK, here's a theory: Cyra convinced a dragon to give up all his wealth to charity. This task, once considered to be impossible, created great animosity directed from Dragons towards all Cubi. Compared to that accomplishment, achieving tri-wing status was as simple as pie.
So I wonder if there are any male clan leaders at all?
You win the thread!
That is funniest suggestion evar!
Quote from: jeffh4 on March 19, 2010, 02:17:08 PM
Quote from: Tapewolf on March 19, 2010, 12:03:10 PM
Woah, heavy.
Now, the interesting thing is of course that there are two members. Presumably Cyra doesn't count. Otherwise something rather odd is going on.
Actually there are a few possibilities:
1) Cyra and Destania
2) Destania and Dan
3) Destania and <Insert Mystery Guest Name Here>
All of the counts are "members" not "known members," so I would conclude that Cubi have some way of knowing exactly how many there are of each clan. Not quite as infallible as the Fae, but still. Though this count may or may not include cubi that have not yet manifested their clan marking.
On the members thing there's this snippet from from Zezzuva's profile, "It is suspected that actual clan strength is higher than reported." I think it's known members, mean wouldn't surprise me if some clans like to boast about it and sure SAIA has a record to some degree of ones that have been there.
And supposedly there IS male Tri-wings, just less of them if I recall correctly :)
Quote from: Feather Dancer on March 19, 2010, 02:01:48 PM
The ages were rounded down to the nearest thousand according to the * on Kish'ta's entry so she could have had Dee/the other nuked kids "fairly young".
Something else: when you add in what Fa'lina said about Destania (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_489.php) "when she was Dan's age", about the time of the founding of SAIA, a lot of things have been going on in that short time period. Cyra's birth, her splitting from whatever her birth clan was, whatever she did to ascend (and I'm sure we all have our suspicions), the war itself, SAIA...
... and I've just realised Abel's "potted history" (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_508.php) of the 'Cubi race might not have meant quite what we've thought all along. Take a few suspicions and speculations, slot them into the gaps, and things get interesting.
Quote from: SpottedKitty on March 19, 2010, 02:27:34 PM
Quote from: Feather Dancer on March 19, 2010, 02:01:48 PM
The ages were rounded down to the nearest thousand according to the * on Kish'ta's entry so she could have had Dee/the other nuked kids "fairly young".
Something else: when you add in what Fa'lina said about Destania (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_489.php) "when she was Dan's age", about the time of the founding of SAIA, a lot of things have been going on in that short time period. Cyra's birth, her splitting from whatever her birth clan was, whatever she did to ascend (and I'm sure we all have our suspicions), the war itself, SAIA...
... and I've just realised Abel's "potted history" (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_489.php) of the 'Cubi race might not have meant quite what we've thought all along. Take a few suspicions and speculations, slot them into the gaps, and things get interesting.
Wreg to the comics , i would suspect she had Aniz syndrome (wanted to go out and help her clanmembers) Must have been frustrating....
Quote from: SpottedKitty on March 19, 2010, 02:27:34 PM
Something else: when you add in what Fa'lina said about Destania (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_489.php) "when she was Dan's age", about the time of the founding of SAIA, a lot of things have been going on in that short time period. Cyra's birth, her splitting from whatever her birth clan was, whatever she did to ascend (and I'm sure we all have our suspicions), the war itself, SAIA...
... and I've just realised Abel's "potted history" (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_489.php) of the 'Cubi race might not have meant quite what we've thought all along. Take a few suspicions and speculations, slot them into the gaps, and things get interesting.
Just a FYI, your second link is the same Fa'Lina link :)
Quote from: Feather Dancer on March 19, 2010, 02:30:57 PM
Just a FYI, your second link is the same Fa'Lina link :)
Whups, fimble-fungered cut'n'paste strikes again. Fixed, thanks.
Quote from: danman on March 19, 2010, 02:14:30 PM
Hmm, the smallest will be Fa'lina's clan with membership of 1
Or zero, if the leader isn't counted.
Quote from: jeffh4 on March 19, 2010, 02:17:08 PM
All of the counts are "members" not "known members," so I would conclude that Cubi have some way of knowing exactly how many there are of each clan. Not quite as infallible as the Fae, but still. Though this count may or may not include cubi that have not yet manifested their clan marking.
I think Amber said that there were two Cyra members that we know of. I was wondering if we would get a 2 or a 3 in the official entry.
I strongly suspect that a Tri-Wing knows how many are in her/his clan, but otherwise it's probably guesswork and whatever SAIA knows about.
Quote from: Tapewolf on March 19, 2010, 02:44:55 PM
Quote from: danman on March 19, 2010, 02:14:30 PM
Hmm, the smallest will be Fa'lina's clan with membership of 1
Or zero, if the leader isn't counted.
Hmm, i am coming from the fact that 0 is a logical amount of members to assign to an extinct clan.
In regard to the "Accuracy" of Minks paper, please keep in mind that even though Mink is there to provide a bit of comical insight, the arc is in the demonology 101 section due to it being more a referential arc than anything. So it will be better to think of the actual clan leader articles as demo 101 pages written from a today perspective and the Mink comical antics as more a silly side angle.
Much in the same way that you have Matilda talking about clothing and Fa'Lina talking about thought-reading....the segments with Mink is more just me being silly in presentation.
In other words, you can likely figure out who the two clan members are since Clan leaders don't count towards the total.
Quote from: danman on March 19, 2010, 02:14:30 PM
Hmm, the smallest will be Fa'lina's clan with membership of 1
Besides how would mink know Dan is Destainia's son (or that she had any kids at all...)
Makes me wonder how the war started though.
Quote from: Tapewolf on March 19, 2010, 02:44:55 PM
I think Amber said that there were two Cyra members that we know of. I was wondering if we would get a 2 or a 3 in the official entry.
When was this report written, near the time of May's death (probably around 300 years ago), or in the present? This will affect what the numbers mean. 300 years ago means either Cyra is counted or there's another clan member under her besides Destania. Present time could have various results, one of which is not knowing yet about Dan as Cyra clan.
EDIT: Ok, sniped by Amber. So the articles are considered present time. And leaders
aren't counted.
Woo! Cyra :boogie :boogie :boogie
Hmmm, her ascension triggered the war? Now that's a subject I wouldn't mind learning a bit about.
Quote from: Amber Williams on March 19, 2010, 03:24:18 PM
In regard to the "Accuracy" of Minks paper, please keep in mind that even though Mink is there to provide a bit of comical insight, the arc is in the demonology 101 section due to it being more a referential arc than anything. So it will be better to think of the actual clan leader articles as demo 101 pages written from a today perspective and the Mink comical antics as more a silly side angle.
Much in the same way that you have Matilda talking about clothing and Fa'Lina talking about thought-reading....the segments with Mink is more just me being silly in presentation.
In other words, you can likely figure out who the two clan members are since Clan leaders don't count towards the total.
Wait, so does that mean we can assume that the Cubi society does not know of Dan being of Cyra's Clan? Let alone his existence? If this is the case, won't news about a new member of Clan Cyra be kinda of... I don't know... big news?
Quote from: RandomMetaphysics on March 19, 2010, 03:43:39 PM
Wait, so does that mean we can assume that the Cubi society does not know of Dan being of Cyra's Clan? Let alone his existence? If this is the case, won't news about a new member of Clan Cyra be kinda of... I don't know... big news?
I would think the time between Dan waking up in SAIA and Abel donking him in the head with a bat was about all the time it would take for news of Dan being from Clan Cyra to reach from one end of the Academy to another.
Pardon me to the forum if I seem a bit more aggressive than normal. My ovaries have decided to try to make an escape chest-burster style it feels and I am rather uncomfortable and unhappy due to the resulting pain.
But yes. There are two clan members in Cyra. Dan and Destania. DAN. AND. DESTANIA. Leaders do not count towards a clan. Therefore there are two members. DAN. DESTANIA. This mini-arc is not set in any particular timeline and is based on Out of Timeline events. So the ages and times are based on the right here and right now so that even if three months from now a new reader comes across them, they will still be accurate and not have shifted.
Just to reiterate. Dan and Destania. The two members of Cyra clan. We coo? We coo.
HOLY CRAP I JUST REMEMBERED!!!! CUBI LEADERS IS WRITTEN BY MINK--- So then all the people who theorized him to die in Abel's Story are hopefully wrong!! Wow I am soooo slow to be quick. :U
Quote from: Amber Williams on March 19, 2010, 03:50:48 PM
Quote from: RandomMetaphysics on March 19, 2010, 03:43:39 PM
Wait, so does that mean we can assume that the Cubi society does not know of Dan being of Cyra's Clan? Let alone his existence? If this is the case, won't news about a new member of Clan Cyra be kinda of... I don't know... big news?
I would think the time between Dan waking up in SAIA and Abel donking him in the head with a bat was about all the time it would take for news of Dan being from Clan Cyra to reach from one end of the Academy to another.
Pardon me to the forum if I seem a bit more aggressive than normal. My ovaries have decided to try to make an escape chest-burster style it feels and I am rather uncomfortable and unhappy due to the resulting pain.
But yes. There are two clan members in Cyra. Dan and Destania. DAN. AND. DESTANIA. Leaders do not count towards a clan. Therefore there are two members. DAN. DESTANIA. This mini-arc is not set in any particular timeline and is based on Out of Timeline events. So the ages and times are based on the right here and right now so that even if three months from now a new reader comes across them, they will still be accurate and not have shifted.
Just to reiterate. Dan and Destania. The two members of Cyra clan. We coo? We coo.
So.. mink's report is accurate on everything except where it states it is ambiguous?
I don't know. It does not seem aggressive to me (but then, i have somewhat altered standards for verbal aggression..)
Right now i am imagining John Cleese reading this aloud with the emphasis on "Dan" and "two" and "Destainia" in a manner similar to this sketch (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nBRxQovIVAc)
Why do I have a feeling that we can now expect "subtle" hints from Cyra to Dan about great-grandchildren....... >:3
Quote from: Mrs_A_ZeTavia on March 19, 2010, 04:06:44 PM
Why do I have a feeling that we can now expect "subtle" hints from Cyra to Dan about great-grandchildren....... >:3
What, you mean "subtle" like this (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_730.php)...? :rolleyes
The Clan of Winter's Touch? Either that refers to her blue and white color scheme or they have an affinity for ice magic.
Regardless of the theory-spawning info provided on this particular clan, Cyra still looks amazingly gorgeous.
Quote from: SpottedKitty on March 19, 2010, 04:14:35 PM
Quote from: Mrs_A_ZeTavia on March 19, 2010, 04:06:44 PM
Why do I have a feeling that we can now expect "subtle" hints from Cyra to Dan about great-grandchildren....... >:3
What, you mean "subtle" like this (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_730.php)...? :rolleyes
I guess my humor goes over some people's head here, we all know Cyra is anything but "
subtle" (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_1000.php)....... :P
Quote from: Feather Dancer on March 19, 2010, 02:01:48 PM
Quote from: danman on March 19, 2010, 01:59:41 PM
http://clockworkmansion.com/forum/index.php/topic,1676.msg67227.html#msg67227
Here, this shows Destainia is 7026 y/o, and it is a rather undisputable source.
Now the Mink's paper says cyra is 7000 years old.
Either there is something extremely fishy going on , or Mink's paper is worse than some wikipedia articles
The ages were rounded down to the nearest thousand according to the * on Kish'ta's entry so she could have had Dee/the other nuked kids "fairly young".
Hum. So it's entirely possible that Dee is Cyra's direct daughter pre-ascension.
Quote from: SpottedKitty on March 19, 2010, 04:14:35 PM
Quote from: Mrs_A_ZeTavia on March 19, 2010, 04:06:44 PM
Why do I have a feeling that we can now expect "subtle" hints from Cyra to Dan about great-grandchildren....... >:3
What, you mean "subtle" like this (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_730.php)...? :rolleyes
maybe more like this (http://www.phdcomics.com/comics/archive.php?comicid=1240)
Quote from: Feather Dancer on March 19, 2010, 02:25:04 PM
And supposedly there IS male Tri-wings, just less of them if I recall correctly :)
Hmm, I think i know why - look at the incubi we know so far - Dan,Aniz and Abel, and i think it shows which gender is keeping the cubi life expectancy down :D
And the only (non-canon) tri wing which is Daryil is not doing much to improve this image ....
Quote from: Ghostwish on March 19, 2010, 04:38:45 PM
Regardless of the theory-spawning info provided on this particular clan, Cyra still looks amazingly gorgeous.
Hmm, i guess the info makes it better - the most recently ascended canon cubi ! My suspicions are she found a reliable method that did not involve killing another tri-wing , which got the dragons scared (might have involved one of them, too :mwaha)
And yup, she does look nice, right after Fa'lina.
Quote from: Amber Williams on March 19, 2010, 03:50:48 PM
Quote from: RandomMetaphysics on March 19, 2010, 03:43:39 PM
Wait, so does that mean we can assume that the Cubi society does not know of Dan being of Cyra's Clan? Let alone his existence? If this is the case, won't news about a new member of Clan Cyra be kinda of... I don't know... big news?
I would think the time between Dan waking up in SAIA and Abel donking him in the head with a bat was about all the time it would take for news of Dan being from Clan Cyra to reach from one end of the Academy to another.
Pardon me to the forum if I seem a bit more aggressive than normal. My ovaries have decided to try to make an escape chest-burster style it feels and I am rather uncomfortable and unhappy due to the resulting pain.
But yes. There are two clan members in Cyra. Dan and Destania. DAN. AND. DESTANIA. Leaders do not count towards a clan. Therefore there are two members. DAN. DESTANIA. This mini-arc is not set in any particular timeline and is based on Out of Timeline events. So the ages and times are based on the right here and right now so that even if three months from now a new reader comes across them, they will still be accurate and not have shifted.
Just to reiterate. Dan and Destania. The two members of Cyra clan. We coo? We coo.
I agree with danman, that doesn't seem that aggressive. But if it's more aggressive than you usually are, then by your standards, I go berserker fury on people when they touch my rootbeer.
Also this is useful information, I shall catalog it for future reference. And yes I got it. Dan and Destania. We coo.
Quote from: danman on March 19, 2010, 04:54:20 PM
Hmm, i guess the info makes it better - the most recently ascended canon cubi ! My suspicions are she found a reliable method that did not involve killing another tri-wing , which got the dragons scared (might have involved one of them, too :mwaha)
And yup, she does look nice, right after Fa'lina.
I don't know how ascension works, but it's strongly implied that you need
lots of energy. Souls are the most convenient way, but not the only way - AFAIK Seme ascended in a non-violent manner.
You could probably do it with the souls of many Beings, maybe Demons etc. However, if you're in a position to eat another Tri-wing, like Zezzuva did, that's probably the only one you'd need.
It looks to me a lot like Cyra ate a Dragon, which understandably would not sit very well with them.
Quote from: Tapewolf on March 19, 2010, 05:07:01 PM
I don't know how ascension works, but it's strongly implied that you need lots of energy. Souls are the most convenient way, but not the only way - AFAIK Seme ascended in a non-violent manner.
You could probably do it with the souls of many Beings, maybe Demons etc. However, if you're in a position to eat another Tri-wing, like Zezzuva did, that's probably the only one you'd need.
It looks to me a lot like Cyra ate a Dragon, which understandably would not sit very well with them.
Hmm, the thing is, it could have been political as well - since tri-wings are so awesomely powerful, i think it did not require much calculation for the dragons to see what an increased ascension rate would do ...
But, i suppose seeing that the average dragon intellect is not great (Pyroduck is normal, the one who Dan owed money to was like tungsten) i think that the simpler explanation could well cut it .
Quote from: Tapewolf on March 19, 2010, 05:07:01 PM
It looks to me a lot like Cyra ate a Dragon, which understandably would not sit very well with them.
I mentioned something along these lines earlier in the post, too (1st page, 4th post), so I totally agree with Tape here. :3
Edit: Double checked the post number...... :animesweat
Quote from: Tapewolf on March 19, 2010, 05:07:01 PM
It looks to me a lot like Cyra ate a Dragon, which understandably would not sit very well with them.
Abandoning my "gave to charity" theory for a moment, why would Cyra settle for eating just one Dragon soul? Why not a hundred, or a thousand? The bigger the number, the more pissed the Dragon response (which was one step down from Ragnarok).
Om, nom, nom! ***
*** Roughly translates to "Your soul is yummy and goes well with ketchup and a nice chianti"
Quote from: Lego3400 on March 19, 2010, 04:29:38 PM
The Clan of Winter's Touch? Either that refers to her blue and white color scheme or they have an affinity for ice magic.
Or it may be a sly reference to their ability to block scrying: whatever they touch turns cold.
Quote from: Tapewolf on March 19, 2010, 05:07:01 PMIt looks to me a lot like Cyra ate a Dragon, which understandably would not sit very well with them.
I think that unlikely for one main reason: how would a cubi non-ascension have the power to overwhelm a dragon with sufficient power for said ascension?
[EDIT]One possibility: Cyra got the power she needed as a gift for hiding the trail of a powerful being, who incidently has some questionable relationships with dragons.
Offthought: Given the approx 2000 year difference between Fa'lina's age and the age of the Cyra clan, Fa'lina's clan may very well be the 2nd last cubi ascension...[/EDIT]
Quote from: Psaakyrn on March 19, 2010, 06:35:27 PM
I think that unlikely for one main reason: how would a cubi non-ascension have the power to overwhelm a dragon with sufficient power for said ascension?
A good point. However, Zezzuva somehow overwhelmed her tri-winged sister, and Abel came very close to taking Pyroduck's head off - it might be that they are more vulnerable in Being mode. I wouldn't say it rules it out, but it's not going to be a trivial exercise.
Cyra's age is "roughly" 7000.
Saia was founded "roughly" 7000 years ago.
Therefor the Dragon-Cubi War started "roughly" 7000 years ago.
Has anyone else noted that Cyra ascended near instantaneously after being born? Now I understand why the dragons were so set against the 'cubi. Whatever she did would allow for every 'cubi to ascend if the info got around, not just the oldest, smartest, and most innately powerful ones. An army of ascended 'cubi should worry even the fae. D:
Quote from: Psaakyrn on March 19, 2010, 06:35:27 PM
I think that unlikely for one main reason: how would a cubi non-ascension have the power to overwhelm a dragon with sufficient power for said ascension?
If the dragon was not expecting an attack and you got the drop on them with perhaps a powerful magic attack or as Tape mentioned they seem to vulnerable when they are being sized, so it's not entirely impossible.
In other types of fiction haven't there been people of smaller size that have slayed or defeated dragons, so why not here.... :mowmeep
Quote from: Shachza on March 19, 2010, 07:24:20 PM
Cyra's age is "roughly" 7000.
Saia was founded "roughly" 7000 years ago.
Therefor the Dragon-Cubi War started "roughly" 7000 years ago.
Has anyone else noted that Cyra ascended near instantaneously after being born?
"Ages rounded to the nearest thousand." She could have an actual age of 7499 and it'd still round to 7000. Also, roughly, with three zeros... It'd be easy to slip a few or several decades in on either side.
Quote from: Shachza on March 19, 2010, 07:24:20 PM
Now I understand why the dragons were so set against the 'cubi. Whatever she did would allow for every 'cubi to ascend if the info got around, not just the oldest, smartest, and most innately powerful ones. An army of ascended 'cubi should worry even the fae. D:
While I agree that this would make dragons (Among everyone else.) pretty unhappy, I will point to a qoute directly from Cyra's page.
"Despite several failed attempts, no other Cubi has been able to attain tri-wing status."
The possibility alone may have started the war, but an army of ascended Cubi still looks rather improbable, if not impossible.
On another note, I hope "no other Cubi" means "no other Cubi since Cyra," or else I'm confused with how the other leaders can be tri-wings.
Quote from: Lego3400 on March 19, 2010, 04:29:38 PM
The Clan of Winter's Touch? Either that refers to her blue and white color scheme or they have an affinity for ice magic.
Either that, or it's the fact that she's an ice-cold bi-*Gets shot.*
Quote from: Shachza on March 19, 2010, 07:24:20 PM
Has anyone else noted that Cyra ascended near instantaneously after being born? Now I understand why the dragons were so set against the 'cubi. Whatever she did would allow for every 'cubi to ascend if the info got around, not just the oldest, smartest, and most innately powerful ones. An army of ascended 'cubi should worry even the fae. D:
7000 probably refers to Cyra's ascension and not her birth. However, if she did find a shortcut that anyone could do relatively easily, that could certainly alarm the Dragons.
Quote from: Scrap Fish on March 19, 2010, 07:40:51 PM
On another note, I hope "no other Cubi" means "no other Cubi since Cyra," or else I'm confused with how the other leaders can be tri-wings.
I think it's safe to assume so.
Quote from: Scrap Fish on March 19, 2010, 07:40:51 PM
Quote from: Shachza on March 19, 2010, 07:24:20 PM
Cyra's age is "roughly" 7000.
Saia was founded "roughly" 7000 years ago.
Therefor the Dragon-Cubi War started "roughly" 7000 years ago.
Has anyone else noted that Cyra ascended near instantaneously after being born?
"Ages rounded to the nearest thousand." She could have an actual age of 7499 and it'd still round to 7000. Also, roughly, with three zeros... It'd be easy to slip a few or several decades in on either side.
We're talking a 'cubi who ascended between 24 and 499 years after being born, when the next closest 'cubi (that we can date) is Fa'lina who I'm betting was closer to that 2300-year mark of Saia being founded than away from it. Even if we don't know the ascension ages of the other tri-wings, the next youngest at that time (that we know of) would be Dimanika at 5000. Under 500 years is practically a baby by tri-wing standards.
Quote from: Scrap Fish on March 19, 2010, 07:40:51 PM
Quote from: Shachza on March 19, 2010, 07:24:20 PM
Now I understand why the dragons were so set against the 'cubi. Whatever she did would allow for every 'cubi to ascend if the info got around, not just the oldest, smartest, and most innately powerful ones. An army of ascended 'cubi should worry even the fae. D:
While I agree that this would make dragons (Among everyone else.) pretty unhappy, I will point to a qoute directly from Cyra's page.
"Despite several failed attempts, no other Cubi has been able to attain tri-wing status."
The possibility alone may have started the war, but an army of ascended Cubi still looks rather improbable, if not impossible.
On another note, I hope "no other Cubi" means "no other Cubi since Cyra," or else I'm confused with how the other leaders can be tri-wings.
"Despite several failed attempts, no other 'cubi has
yet been able to attain tri-wing status."
I believe it does mean "no 'cubi since Cyra." Leaving "yet" out of it changes the meaning drastically, as that one word implies that Cyra knows something that other 'cubi don't, and I'd bet that it's her super-secret method for instant ascension.
Quote from: Tapewolf on March 19, 2010, 08:05:02 PM
Quote from: Shachza on March 19, 2010, 07:24:20 PM
Has anyone else noted that Cyra ascended near instantaneously after being born? Now I understand why the dragons were so set against the 'cubi. Whatever she did would allow for every 'cubi to ascend if the info got around, not just the oldest, smartest, and most innately powerful ones. An army of ascended 'cubi should worry even the fae. D:
7000 probably refers to Cyra's ascension and not her birth. However, if she did find a shortcut that anyone could do relatively easily, that could certainly alarm the Dragons.
That sounds like Dimanika logic. Dating someone's age based on the moment they hit maturity just leads to all sorts of confusion.
Quote from: Tapewolf on March 19, 2010, 08:05:02 PM
7000 probably refers to Cyra's ascension and not her birth. However, if she did find a shortcut that anyone could do relatively easily, that could certainly alarm the Dragons.
Here's the easy way to sort this out... how long ago was the Dragon/'cubi war and how long did it last! Given Aniz' age at the time of the war and time passed since we discovered Aniz age, it can't have been much more than several hundred years ago that it ended. So over 7000 is likely Cyra's real age and her ascent came ... err, wait a tic, things is confusing here.
Please hold, editing will come once some brain parsing occurs.
le edit: ok, so Saia started about 7000ish years ago in response to the war and ... tragic events. Wow, it went on a while. Though 'around 7000 years' leaves some wiggleroom so Cyra was a few hundred years old. Roughly.
I better stop before head asplode.
Quote from: SpottedKitty on March 19, 2010, 04:14:35 PM
What, you mean "subtle" like this (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_730.php)...? :rolleyes
This is off topic from Cyra, But I think I may have just figured out Fa'lina's affinity. Perhaps an affinity for Maternal Love? Eh? She goes beserkers over children and babies.. So it's a possibility eh? Anyways.
Back to the topic, I find it interesting that Cyra's clan is born with Green eyes. You think with all that blue in the hair and the feathers, that the eyes would match too.... Bah, blame the OCD with color cordination. :U
Oh yeah, how weird, you can see the clan symbol on her chest here (http://missmab.com/Comics/Vol_1000.php) but not in this update.
Though looking back at it, you can't see any of the symbols in the cubi clan leaders arc (even Nact'larn, who is naked, and Jin, who it should be right over her chest), so obviously they can hide it. Also you never see Fa'lina's ever ever ever in the comic but she exposes her chest all the time.
From Dan's Cast Page (http://www.missmab.com/Cast/dan.php)
QuoteDan's new wing tentacles have draconic heads. While unknown to Dan, this is actually a clan trait and if Dan had paid any attention, he would discover that he is from a rather high and powerful clan.
Add that fact to your theories.
Quote from: Professor Fate on March 19, 2010, 08:46:54 PM
This is off topic from Cyra, But I think I may have just figured out Fa'lina's affinity. Perhaps an affinity for Maternal Love? Eh? She goes beserkers over children and babies.. So it's a possibility eh? Anyways.
You're not the only one to have suggested Love, in some form, was Fa'lina's affinity. :hug
As for Cyra and the Dragon-War... I'd previously theorized that `Cubi were at one point millenia ago consciously or unconsciously tapping into a vast power-source which made Tri-Wing ascension relatively easy and that this source was claimed by or otherwise under the stewardship of the Dragons, who were none too pleased by this. (Dragons hoard wealth and knowledge, that they'd hoard magical energy is not that far a stretch.) Plans would no doubt be made to cut the `Cubi off, perhaps even a treaty signed between the Dragons and various `Cubi clans, then one day...
Cyra: "Screw this..."
o/~ Estuans interius o/~o/~ Ira vehementi o/~o/~ Estuans interius o/~o/~ Ira vehementi o/~o/~ Cyra-Roth o/~o/~ Cyra-Roth o/~
Quote from: Les on March 19, 2010, 09:13:16 PM
As for Cyra and the Dragon-War... I'd previously theorized that `Cubi were at one point millenia ago consciously or unconsciously tapping into a vast power-source which made Tri-Wing ascension relatively easy and that this source was claimed by or otherwise under the stewardship of the Dragons, who were none too pleased by this. (Dragons hoard wealth and knowledge, that they'd hoard magical energy is not that far a stretch.) Plans would no doubt be made to cut the `Cubi off, perhaps even a treaty signed between the Dragons and various `Cubi clans, then one day...
Cyra: "Screw this..."
Something tells me that since Cyra ascended at such a young age, she wouldn't do something brazen, at least not intentionally. From the information on her page, Cyra must have been, and still is, one of the smartest and most resourceful Cubi out there. She is a forced to be reckoned with - both among Dragons and Cubi, as it would seem...
I'm getting the feeling that even the Cubi fear Cyra somewhat.
Then again, this is my inner crazy speaking. Theorize at your own risk.
I wonder if the twist to Cyra is that while she may have eaten a dragon's soul to ascend (as people are speculating at least), perhaps he/she was a really evil one. So it could have been justified. /shrug
I just have a hunch there's more to the story than her just being power-hungry, but then again I've never been good at predicting this stuff =p
Perhaps the wings represent the number of creatures in the hybrid. They normally have two sets of wings from their Angel and Demon sides. Tri-wing, therefore, would be from a third powerful creature race such as a dragon.
As there's already a ritual involved in making a not-cubi a cubi, maybe a similar ritual would have to take place here, possibly involving the death of the creature heritage to be 'added'.
This also explains the draconic heads as well. This is just my wild guess.
Quote from: Kattuccino on March 19, 2010, 09:33:58 PM
I wonder if the twist to Cyra is that while she may have eaten a dragon's soul to ascend (as people are speculating at least), perhaps he/she was a really evil one. So it could have been justified. /shrug
I just have a hunch there's more to the story than her just being power-hungry, but then again I've never been good at predicting this stuff =p
If you notice the "good" and "evil" clans have been seperated along roughly the lines of how unpleasant their emotional affinity is to others.
Fear - Bloody bat thing that hides in your dreams
Despair - Non-violent takeover, adopts clanless
Anger/Rage - Combat monsters
Envy - Cannibalized her sister
Lust - Seduces to extract information/be slothful
Confusion - Doesn't kill beings and creatures
Joy - Healers
Pain - Incited Dragon-'Cubi war
Outside of Seme, all of them hint at an alignment flowing from their stereotype. I don't think Cyra is the victim in all this.
Well, the dragons may well not be very "good" either; Hizell hardly seems to be a shining paragon himself. Or most likely they are just like everyone else with a lot of power, like the creatures - good or bad, but bad ones can cause a lot of damage and are probably more common simply because they can exert their will over others.
And really, with an affinity like Pain, and how absolutely horrible Destania is, there's a good chance Cyra ascended by torturing a number of dragons to death and eating their souls. Remember, "after the deaths" is one of the lines in the backstory of the 'cubi, so it seems at least mildly plausible.
It is also worth noting that it specifies "surviving leaders"; maybe others rose and then died during the war?
Of course, it is also possible that Cyra isn't evil. We haven't really seen enough of her to know for sure. Heck, for all we know she could have chosen pain because it makes you stronger when you are in the most trouble - your own pain can help drive you, perhaps.
And given that Cyra has all of two surviving descendants, I wonder if the pain caused her by losing so many of her clan has made her even stronger.
I really do like the art of Cyra.
Alternatively, the lack of Cubi ascending is not due to the lack of trying. Perhaps other cubi such as Aniz has been trying to duplicate the effect
Stupid question time: Aleksi doesn't count as a clan member? I know Destania is only her step-mother, but I'm not quite sure how clans/families work in this case.
Quote from: LigerJet on March 19, 2010, 11:52:23 PM
Stupid question time: Aleksi doesn't count as a clan member? I know Destania is only her step-mother, but I'm not quite sure how clans/families work in this case.
There is no blood link between Alexi and Destania, nor have there been any mention of power transfer between them, hence Alexi is not a cubi, and therefore not part of the clan. (barring any Edward/Aniz theories)
Quote from: Psaakyrn on March 19, 2010, 11:55:14 PM
Quote from: LigerJet on March 19, 2010, 11:52:23 PM
Stupid question time: Aleksi doesn't count as a clan member? I know Destania is only her step-mother, but I'm not quite sure how clans/families work in this case.
There is no blood link between Alexi and Destania, nor have there been any mention of power transfer between them, hence Alexi is not a cubi, and therefore not part of the clan. (barring any Edward/Aniz theories)
Ah, but she could still be considered "family". Or is "Clan" in this case not a synonym for family?
Quote from: LigerJet on March 20, 2010, 12:32:44 AM
Quote from: Psaakyrn on March 19, 2010, 11:55:14 PM
Quote from: LigerJet on March 19, 2010, 11:52:23 PM
Stupid question time: Aleksi doesn't count as a clan member? I know Destania is only her step-mother, but I'm not quite sure how clans/families work in this case.
There is no blood link between Alexi and Destania, nor have there been any mention of power transfer between them, hence Alexi is not a cubi, and therefore not part of the clan. (barring any Edward/Aniz theories)
Ah, but she could still be considered "family". Or is "Clan" in this case not a synonym for family?
'Clan' as in members of the Cyra Clan, as in 'Cubi who are related to Cyra whose affinity is pain'
Quote from: LigerJet on March 20, 2010, 12:32:44 AMQuote from: Psaakyrn on March 19, 2010, 11:55:14 PMQuote from: LigerJet on March 19, 2010, 11:52:23 PM
Stupid question time: Aleksi doesn't count as a clan member? I know Destania is only her step-mother, but I'm not quite sure how clans/families work in this case.
There is no blood link between Alexi and Destania, nor have there been any mention of power transfer between them, hence Alexi is not a cubi, and therefore not part of the clan. (barring any Edward/Aniz theories)
Ah, but she could still be considered "family". Or is "Clan" in this case not a synonym for family?
While a Cubi can be born into a clan through blood relation, in the case of Cubi, a clan is more of a magical connection than a familial one.
Quote from: AndersW on March 19, 2010, 09:09:12 PM
From Dan's Cast Page (http://www.missmab.com/Cast/dan.php)
QuoteDan's new wing tentacles have draconic heads. While unknown to Dan, this is actually a clan trait and if Dan had paid any attention, he would discover that he is from a rather high and powerful clan.
Add that fact to your theories.
That has nothing to do with the clan. Amber has stated recently that wing heads vary from cubi to cubi not from clan to clan and is why none of the leaders are showing off their tentacle heads. (Though to be fair that is a really odd phrase)
Interesting that all their clan members have green eyes in my opinion....
Though considering its a clan of 2, you could say they're all feline too. d=
aww, she lost her etereal, ageless-goddess quality.
also, anyone else who thinks it looks like she is looking at someone in a "has her on on them" kinda way?
also , mentioning comic 1000, why did Cyra appear so big in Dans dream?
Random speculation: while it's possible that Cyra ascended and triggered the Dragon/Cubi war just by killing one or more dragons (who for unknown reasons might indulge in the never-before-mentioned practice of caring just that deeply for each other, after all), my thoughts run into a somewhat different direction. After all, if enough deaths were all it took, all of Furrae would arguably have to exist in some constant state of war that isn't actually much in evidence in the comic, the existence of an 'adventurer' class and the fact that Beings still don't get much respect from Creatures notwithstanding.
But suppose Cyra ran afoul of dragon politics? (I don't think we know much about those, so there's plenty of room for conspiracy theories.) Maybe one of her victims (in whatever sense) was the favorite heir to the dragons' ruler (assuming they have one), maybe she tapped into and used up/destroyed a power source that the dragons considered theirs and that now can't be replaced...whatever it was, it'd have to be something pretty spectacular or at least just the exactly wrong thing at the worst possible time. Most people don't start wars over what they, at least, consider relatively trivial offenses.
Quote from: Scrap Fish on March 19, 2010, 07:40:51 PM
While I agree that this would make dragons (Among everyone else.) pretty unhappy, I will point to a qoute directly from Cyra's page.
"Despite several failed attempts, no other Cubi has been able to attain tri-wing status."
That, perhaps dragons were successful in taking away whatever were giving cubi power to ascend?
Quote from: Lego3400 on March 20, 2010, 01:35:27 AM
Quote from: AndersW on March 19, 2010, 09:09:12 PM
From Dan's Cast Page (http://www.missmab.com/Cast/dan.php)
Dan's new wing tentacles have draconic heads. While unknown to Dan, this is actually a clan trait and if Dan had paid any attention, he would discover that he is from a rather high and powerful clan.
That has nothing to do with the clan. Amber has stated recently that wing heads vary from cubi to cubi not from clan to clan and is why none of the leaders are showing off their tentacle heads. (Though to be fair that is a really odd phrase)
QuoteWhile unknown to Dan, this is actually a clan trait...
Quote from: A. Lurker on March 20, 2010, 07:59:20 AM
Most people don't start wars over what they, at least, consider relatively trivial offenses.
Fae do, we don't know if Dragons are that petty. However, destroying a Dragon's soul probably doesn't count as a trivial offense :B
No wonder why Abel was so insistant on hiding Dan's marking. I wonder how this will affect the relationship between Dan and his buddy (http://missmab.com/Comics/Vol_142.php).
Not to sound picky or anything, but including Dan and his mother wouldn't that make the clan strength 3 members. I'm sure someone else has pointed this out and I'm going to check the other pages in this thread, but still.
Quote from: GabrielsThoughts on March 20, 2010, 04:52:45 PM
Not to sound picky or anything, but including Dan and his mother wouldn't that make the clan strength 3 members. I'm sure someone else has pointed this out and I'm going to check the other pages in this thread, but still.
Amber herself pointed it out; clan founders don't count in the numbers. The two are indeed Dan and Destania. :3
Happy to toss reminders! ^^ *fadeout*
Quote from: Silverling on March 20, 2010, 02:16:30 AM
Interesting that all their clan members have green eyes in my opinion....
Though considering its a clan of 2, you could say they're all feline too. d=
Well, it's a small gene pool: Cyra -> Destina -> Daniel
But it is
still noteworthy, since we would have expected Dan to get his eye color from his Dad. (http://www.missmab.com/Demo/HG02.php)
Quote from: LigerJet on March 19, 2010, 11:52:23 PM
Stupid question time: Alexsi doesn't count as a clan member? I know Destania is only her stepmother, but I'm not quite sure how clans/families work in this case.
Dee considers Alexsi family, but Cyra does not. And there is no bloodline/power connection, so Alexsi isn't part of Clan Cyra, despite being half-sister of one member and the adopted daughter of the other.
Reading about Cyra's ascention starts to make me wonder about her remark: "Perhaps what you need is a friend who will help you help yourself." (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_999.php)
Quote from: inuhanyo on March 20, 2010, 11:02:09 PM
Quote from: Silverling on March 20, 2010, 02:16:30 AM
Interesting that all their clan members have green eyes in my opinion....
Though considering its a clan of 2, you could say they're all feline too. d=
Well, it's a small gene pool: Cyra -> Destina -> Daniel
s still noteworthy, since we would have expected Dan to get his eye color from his Dad. (http://www.missmab.com/Demo/HG02.php)
And also Dan's Father was a feline. So-- Yeah pretty much felines here but I doubt that is considered a "Clan Trait" just because Dan and Destina are felines doesn't mean that any other person who was probably a part of Clan Cyra at one point wasn't another species of animal. Example: Canine, Avian, Reptile ect.
Quote from: Titanium Dragon on March 19, 2010, 11:07:44 PMAnd given that Cyra has all of two surviving descendants, I wonder if the pain caused her by losing so many of her clan has made her even stronger.
Do we have any idea how many cubi were once in Cyra clan? All we know for sure is that before Dan, Destania wasn't the only one. There could have been only a few, or hundreds.
Quote from: A. Lurker on March 20, 2010, 07:59:20 AM
Random speculation: while it's possible that Cyra ascended and triggered the Dragon/Cubi war just by killing one or more dragons (who for unknown reasons might indulge in the never-before-mentioned practice of caring just that deeply for each other, after all), my thoughts run into a somewhat different direction.
They wouldn't have to
care much for the destroyed
individuals to care that someone was killing (even just some of) their race.
QuoteBut suppose Cyra ran afoul of dragon politics? (I don't think we know much about those, so there's plenty of room for conspiracy theories.) Maybe one of her victims (in whatever sense) was the favorite heir to the dragons' ruler (assuming they have one), maybe she tapped into and used up/destroyed a power source that the dragons considered theirs and that now can't be replaced...whatever it was, it'd have to be something pretty spectacular or at least just the exactly wrong thing at the worst possible time. Most people don't start wars over what they, at least, consider relatively trivial offenses.
Perhaps the dragon clans (are there more than one or are they all considered the same clan?) have a shared energy pool like cubi clans appear to and can detect the loss when even one or two members are destroyed.
Just went back and re-read the Demo-101 page for Dragons. Fae have their own magical pocket-universe realm, it's been speculated that when Dragons heard about this they went and made their own. If this is true, could it be that `Cubi might have found a way to tap into that.. which would of course piss-off the Dragons mightily.
Quote from: AmigaDragon on March 21, 2010, 02:18:17 AMThey wouldn't have to care much for the destroyed individuals to care that someone was killing (even just some of) their race.
And yet the existence of adventurers doesn't seem to have sent them into a collective Beings-slaying frenzy. Which either suggests that dragons are so inherently awesome that no adventurer ever actually managed to kill one or else that the above theory alone doesn't explain the Dragon/Cubi war after all.
Quote from: A. Lurker on March 21, 2010, 07:23:06 AM
And yet the existence of adventurers doesn't seem to have sent them into a collective Beings-slaying frenzy.
Beings only kill people's bodies. What Cyra may have done is kill a dragon's soul too.
Quote from: Amber Williams on March 19, 2010, 03:50:48 PM
Leaders do not count towards a clan.
Quote from: danman on March 19, 2010, 02:46:23 PM
Quote from: Tapewolf on March 19, 2010, 02:44:55 PM
Quote from: danman on March 19, 2010, 02:14:30 PM
Hmm, the smallest will be Fa'lina's clan with membership of 1
Or zero, if the leader isn't counted.
Hmm, i am coming from the fact that 0 is a logical amount of members to assign to an extinct clan.
Oh, zero/one based indexing, so we meet again, my nemesis...
So, does this mean then that an extinct clan with a deceased leader has -1 members? :P
Quote from: Les on March 21, 2010, 05:06:30 AM
Just went back and re-read the Demo-101 page for Dragons. Fae have their own magical pocket-universe realm, it's been speculated that when Dragons heard about this they went and made their own. If this is true, could it be that `Cubi might have found a way to tap into that.. which would of course piss-off the Dragons mightily.
Considering DMFA seems to be set in a quantum universe setting (http://missmab.com/Comics/Vol_841.php), you don't even need a pocket universe for that. But yeah, maybe the dragons did hide that power source in another uinverse thought to be inacessible to Cubi - until the Cubi did access it. But what ever may have been happend, the power source seems to have been destroyed or at least the link the Cubi were tapping into was severed. Since the only thing we know for sure is that they cannot access this source today. I think it would be really interesting to know what exactly that mysterious power source was that the Cubi used for ascension before the war.
Quote from: 127.0.0.2 on March 21, 2010, 01:31:04 PM
Quote from: Amber Williams on March 19, 2010, 03:50:48 PM
Leaders do not count towards a clan.
Quote from: danman on March 19, 2010, 02:46:23 PM
Quote from: Tapewolf on March 19, 2010, 02:44:55 PM
Quote from: danman on March 19, 2010, 02:14:30 PM
Hmm, the smallest will be Fa'lina's clan with membership of 1
Or zero, if the leader isn't counted.
Hmm, i am coming from the fact that 0 is a logical amount of members to assign to an extinct clan.
Oh, zero/one based indexing, so we meet again, my nemesis...
So, does this mean then that an extinct clan with a deceased leader has -1 members? :P
I checked with the phoenix oracles and according to them an extinct clan with a deceased leader has 'Pineapple.'
I am curious if she has a tail? :erk And is it the same as Destania's?
I know her hair is probably obscuring the vision of it, but it would be interesting to see a Feline without a tail..... :3
Despite all the discussion about dragons, we don't really know a whole lot about them.
Just take studio fuglio's dragons as an example, they bathe in fire (http://www.airshipentertainment.com/growfcomic.php?date=20080302) and have a very efficient approach to paperwork (http://www.airshipentertainment.com/growfcomic.php?date=20080309)!
:D
Someone mentioned Dragon Politics .. I'm not even sure we would recognize it as politics, it could easily be that alien to us!
Quote from: Anker Steadfast on March 23, 2010, 08:26:02 AM
Despite all the discussion about dragons, we don't really know a whole lot about them.
Just take studio fuglio's dragons as an example, they bathe in fire (http://www.airshipentertainment.com/growfcomic.php?date=20080302) and have a very efficient approach to paperwork (http://www.airshipentertainment.com/growfcomic.php?date=20080309)!
:D
Someone mentioned Dragon Politics .. I'm not even sure we would recognize it as politics, it could easily be that alien to us!
Impossible. Politics are the same everywhere, to everyone. Even "unintelligent" social animals play politics the same way we do.
Oh really ?
Politics vary so wildly, that even within humanity we can't agree on how to do politics.
And that's before silly things like religion comes and messes things up!
Or racial differences, or cultural differences.
And that's with beings that we can both communicate with and understand.
We all do things for different reasons (http://www.airshipentertainment.com/growfcomic.php?date=20080615), and politics are driven by those purposes.
Sometimes the subject of politics should just die and stay dead (http://www.airshipentertainment.com/growfcomic.php?date=20090426)!
... in my humble opinion, offcourse.
Hmmm. That might be what Hizell was aiming for in the first place.
But Cyra wouldn't die, or even stay dead ... how unfair!
So now we get the fight of the children of the people who started it.
Stand by for normal sillyness to return or get turned into a beaver!
:D
Silliness, you say?
*pulls out a remote, adds in coordinates, and then glances at Anker*
What flavour pie would you like the orbital pie bombardment to be? =^-^=
Quote from: Tangent on March 24, 2010, 10:14:42 PMSilliness, you say?
*pulls out a remote, adds in coordinates, and then glances at Anker*
What flavour pie would you like the orbital pie bombardment to be? =^-^=
Latitude: 47-40'33'' N
Longitude: 122-07'00'' W
City of Redmond, Microsoft Headquarters. :D
Quote from: Anker Steadfast on March 25, 2010, 01:28:43 PM
Quote from: Tangent on March 24, 2010, 10:14:42 PMSilliness, you say?
*pulls out a remote, adds in coordinates, and then glances at Anker*
What flavour pie would you like the orbital pie bombardment to be? =^-^=
Latitude: 47-40'33'' N
Longitude: 122-07'00'' W
City of Redmond, Microsoft Headquarters. :D
Nope. More like Redmond Elementary and child care (http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=de&geocode=&q=47%C2%B0+40%2733%27%27+N+122%C2%B0+07%2700%27%27+W&sll=51.151786,10.415039&sspn=16.23646,46.538086&ie=UTF8&ll=47.675722,-122.116492&spn=0.002124,0.005681&t=h&z=18). Nice try... >:3
Ah heck, I'll just pie the entire forum.
*programs in the coordinates, and city-sized cream pies start dropping everywhere*
Me? I'm going for chocolate cream! *goes outside with a fork and knife, and waits for the incoming pie*
Quote from: 127.0.0.2 on March 25, 2010, 05:12:23 PM
Nope. More like Redmond Elementary and child care (http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=de&geocode=&q=47%C2%B0+40%2733%27%27+N+122%C2%B0+07%2700%27%27+W&sll=51.151786,10.415039&sspn=16.23646,46.538086&ie=UTF8&ll=47.675722,-122.116492&spn=0.002124,0.005681&t=h&z=18). Nice try... >:3
I went for the Redmond city center, that way I figured you could get the entire contaminated area in one hit. :)
Don't get me wrong, that wasn't meant as a correction. There are several cubi clans that would wholeheartly support you in your initial plan :3
Quote from: 127.0.0.2 on March 25, 2010, 08:12:23 PM
Don't get me wrong, that wasn't meant as a correction. There are several cubi clans that would wholeheartly support you in your initial plan :3
With nobody there to harvest the emotions (and a soul or two)? I object to the slanderous misportrayal!
Quote from: Anker Steadfast on March 25, 2010, 01:28:43 PM
Latitude: 47-40'33'' N
Longitude: 122-07'00'' W
City of Redmond, Microsoft Headquarters. :D
I believe that you want latitude 47.643587 degrees longitude -122.128580 degrees
That is 1 Microsoft Way
Quote from: Anker Steadfast on March 25, 2010, 07:03:06 PMI went for the Redmond city center, that way I figured you could get the entire contaminated area in one hit. :)
But the contamination has spread worldwide, not just the Redmond area.
Quote from: AmigaDragon on March 26, 2010, 12:45:46 AM
Quote from: Anker Steadfast on March 25, 2010, 07:03:06 PMI went for the Redmond city center, that way I figured you could get the entire contaminated area in one hit. :)
But the contamination has spread worldwide, not just the Redmond area.
Great and sticky the doom began,
There fell upon them custard pies!
But Evil's center still remains...
In the land of Redmond, where the shadows lie.
Now we solved the member count riddle! look at cubi clan leader 12 Fa'lina!
Quote from: Keklily on March 26, 2010, 03:45:55 AM
Now we solved the member count riddle! look at cubi clan leader 12 Fa'lina!
Please be gentle with him, Amber... (http://clockworkmansion.com/forum/index.php/topic,7162.msg317343.html#msg317343)
Quote from: 127.0.0.2 on March 25, 2010, 08:12:23 PM
Don't get me wrong, that wasn't meant as a correction. There are several cubi clans that would wholeheartly support you in your initial plan :3
True, true ... besides rumors has it that
orphanages attack people (http://lfgcomic.com/page/4), and everyone knows that Day-Care centers are just precursors to orphanages ... we're doing the world a favor really. :)
Quote from: Naldru on March 25, 2010, 11:41:35 PMI believe that you want latitude 47.643587 degrees longitude -122.128580 degrees
That is 1 Microsoft Way
Ooo .. even better.
I might have been a bit in a hurry before, this is better. :)