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Title: 03/25/10 [DMFA #1096] - Maybe it's a comic about Spiders!
Post by: jeffh4 on March 15, 2010, 12:53:43 AM
Don't you just hate getting startled like that? 

Good to see that Abel's relexes are still in great shape!
Title: Re: 03/25/10 [DMFA #1096] - Maybe it's a comic about Spiders!
Post by: Zedd on March 15, 2010, 01:23:43 AM
Double wakeup call
Title: Re: 03/25/10 [DMFA #1096] - Maybe it's a comic about Spiders!
Post by: Baal Hadad on March 15, 2010, 01:24:56 AM
Wow, I don't recall seeing that expression on Abel's face since....

...well, since Abel's Story.
Title: Re: 03/25/10 [DMFA #1096] - Maybe it's a comic about Spiders!
Post by: RandomMetaphysics on March 15, 2010, 01:27:14 AM
Bwehehe. Amber really knows how to convey shock on her characters :P
Abel got so freaked out (not only from Fi but also from his dream), he ripped the pillow >:3

That soft glow effect is also really cool! Once again, Amber provides us with awesome.

Quote from: jeffh4 on March 15, 2010, 12:53:43 AM
Don't you just hate getting startled like that?  

A looooooong time ago, my cat would wake me up at the same time every day, by jumping right on top of me while I was sleeping...
I never got used to it, and Abel's expression pretty much sums up my reaction whenever the cat did that.
Title: Re: 03/25/10 [DMFA #1096] - Maybe it's a comic about Spiders!
Post by: Jasonrevall on March 15, 2010, 01:33:43 AM
its spider cat spider cat, does whatever a spider cat can. lol i bet the comic is spider man too. I really love the lighting (or whatever the technical term would be) for this strip. Also thanks for the extra strip Amber (if she reads this).
Title: Re: 03/25/10 [DMFA #1096] - Maybe it's a comic about Spiders!
Post by: Naldru on March 15, 2010, 01:38:12 AM
Since it's a furry adventure, shouldn't it be Spider-Ham (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spider-Ham).
Title: Re: 03/25/10 [DMFA #1096] - Maybe it's a comic about Spiders!
Post by: nicoreon the tyrannical on March 15, 2010, 01:45:03 AM
Reminds me of the time my mother took home a dog to meet are cat a few years ago. I believe it was the only time i have ever seen a creature run up, and along a wall anime stile in real life.
Title: Re: 03/25/10 [DMFA #1096] - Maybe it's a comic about Spiders!
Post by: D R Dracowolf on March 15, 2010, 01:56:58 AM
Quote from: Baal Hadad on March 15, 2010, 01:24:56 AM
Wow, I don't recall seeing that expression on Abel's face since....

...well, since Abel's Story.
I said the same thing, maybe Amber's planning a crossover comic!
Title: Re: 03/25/10 [DMFA #1096] - Maybe it's a comic about Spiders!
Post by: ooklah on March 15, 2010, 02:13:47 AM
I wish I could cling to the ceiling.  :mowninja
Title: Re: 03/25/10 [DMFA #1096] - Maybe it's a comic about Spiders!
Post by: SpottedKitty on March 15, 2010, 03:08:55 AM
On the bright side, Abel doesn't have to try explaining to Alexsi the blood on the floor upstairs...

Just the clawmarks on the ceiling downstairs.   >:3
Title: Re: 03/25/10 [DMFA #1096] - Maybe it's a comic about Spiders!
Post by: Shachza on March 15, 2010, 03:20:46 AM
Quote
Quote from: jeffh4 on March 15, 2010, 12:53:43 AM
Don't you just hate getting startled like that?  

A looooooong time ago, my cat would wake me up at the same time every day, by jumping right on top of me while I was sleeping...
I never got used to it, and Abel's expression pretty much sums up my reaction whenever the cat did that.

Huh.  I've always loved having a cat jump onto me.  It means that I'm loved by something fuzzy and cuddly.  Or at least wanted.  Then again, I tend to sleep under some thick blankets, so claws aren't much of a worry.  I can sleep through most anything, as long as it's not rhythmic and repetitive.    :rock   || :sleep

I also tend to tackle cats that jump on me and hold them hostage while I go back to sleep.  Cats who know me tend to spend most of the time sleeping at the foot of my bed.  Not sure why.   :rolleyes
Title: Re: 03/25/10 [DMFA #1096] - Maybe it's a comic about Spiders!
Post by: Tapewolf on March 15, 2010, 04:07:58 AM
Poor, poor Abel.  He's not going to be able to hide this from the others.  He's not even going to be able to sleep it off like his tiff with Dan because he's now got a job.
I don't know if 'Cubi of his age are prone to 'flu, whether that might work as an excuse...
Title: Re: 03/25/10 [DMFA #1096] - Maybe it's a comic about Spiders!
Post by: VAE on March 15, 2010, 04:24:18 AM
Quote from: RandomMetaphysics on March 15, 2010, 01:27:14 AM
Bwehehe. Amber really knows how to convey shock on her characters :P
Abel got so freaked out (not only from Fi but also from his dream), he ripped the pillow >:3

That soft glow effect is also really cool! Once again, Amber provides us with awesome.

Quote from: jeffh4 on March 15, 2010, 12:53:43 AM
Don't you just hate getting startled like that?  

A looooooong time ago, my cat would wake me up at the same time every day, by jumping right on top of me while I was sleeping...
I never got used to it, and Abel's expression pretty much sums up my reaction whenever the cat did that.


OOh!
My first cat was a wonderful savage huntery animal - she caught pretty much anyhting that moved from rodents to insects to fallen screws (in the last case, brought them to me  :mowsmile)
One night i was sleeping, i woke up to some noise, suddenly a scared midsize spider ran across my face and hand and immediately after, from the cupboard above my head (it was in front of the bed) the cat jumped down landing right next to my head and proceeding to hunt the spider....
Fun awakening at 4 AM!
Title: Re: 03/25/10 [DMFA #1096] - Maybe it's a comic about Spiders!
Post by: Brownie on March 15, 2010, 04:28:25 AM
Well, I guess I'm an elitist then.
Comics are not a legit form of literature.

Also, I just can't get over Fi's Glowing Aura. I want one.
Title: Re: 03/25/10 [DMFA #1096] - Maybe it's a comic about Spiders!
Post by: iceick on March 15, 2010, 05:14:56 AM
Yey, Fi's back, and his timing couldn't be better. At least Abel isn't so upset about his dream now.
Title: Re: 03/25/10 [DMFA #1096] - Maybe it's a comic about Spiders!
Post by: jeffh4 on March 15, 2010, 05:19:59 AM
Quote from: RandomMetaphysics on March 15, 2010, 01:27:14 AM
A looooooong time ago, my cat would wake me up at the same time every day, by jumping right on top of me while I was sleeping...
I never got used to it, and Abel's expression pretty much sums up my reaction whenever the cat did that.

Soon after my wife got her cat, he would assert his dominance by jumping on her face at night.  Finally he did this when she was only partially asleep.  She showed her cat-like reflexes (sorry) by catching him by the throat in mid jump.  As she slowly returned to wakefulness, she was telling herself "don't strangle the cat, don't strangle the cat. . . ." When she was fully awake, she saw that she was actually strangling the cat.  He was now cross-eyed and not looking very happy.  She tossed the cat away and he ran off.  

Not surprisingly, he never again tried to jump on her face at night.

I do notice a trend here.  It seems the cats in our lives are the reason for our startled morning wake-ups!
Title: Re: 03/25/10 [DMFA #1096] - Maybe it's a comic about Spiders!
Post by: JackTheCubiWolf on March 15, 2010, 06:58:06 AM
I just noticed something. I took a closer look at the cover of the comic, and the picture looks like Fi hold the comic.
Title: Re: 03/25/10 [DMFA #1096] - Maybe it's a comic about Spiders!
Post by: Ghostwish on March 15, 2010, 09:00:28 AM
This is the first comic in a while that honestly made me laugh. Oh Fi, you hyper-active little ball of energy...
Title: Re: 03/25/10 [DMFA #1096] - Maybe it's a comic about Spiders!
Post by: Naldru on March 15, 2010, 10:04:05 AM
Quote from: Shachza on March 15, 2010, 03:20:46 AM
Huh.  I've always loved having a cat jump onto me.  It means that I'm loved by something fuzzy and cuddly.  Or at least wanted.

In my case, what is wanted is to be fed.
Title: Re: 03/25/10 [DMFA #1096] - Maybe it's a comic about Spiders!
Post by: joshofspam on March 15, 2010, 10:27:34 AM
Now does this mean Abel will try to avoid Mab and Pip or is this going to lead to a confrontation between these three?

Yes now let's add to the list of what bothers Abel

1. Spiders. (Oh that is one big eeeek!)

2. Alexia in a bad mood. (Fear the mallet.)

3. Genesis. ( There's some huge amount of crazy attached to those.)

4. His Dad. (......)

5. A talking Drake in his dreams that knows way to much about him (even for it to be a dream) that looks surprising like a Drake of a friend of the person I'm tutoring and living with.

Wait are their more things that bother Abel?
Title: Re: 03/25/10 [DMFA #1096] - Maybe it's a comic about Spiders!
Post by: Sind on March 15, 2010, 11:15:36 AM
Oh man, I love Warp-Aci's  :3
Title: Re: 03/25/10 [DMFA #1096] - Maybe it's a comic about Spiders!
Post by: Techcubi on March 15, 2010, 11:20:08 AM
Quote from: Brownie on March 15, 2010, 04:28:25 AM
Well, I guess I'm an elitist then.
Comics are not a legit form of literature.


HAHAAHHAHAAHHAAHAHAH- Oh, wait, you were serious?
Title: Re: 03/25/10 [DMFA #1096] - Maybe it's a comic about Spiders!
Post by: Lucheek on March 15, 2010, 12:17:21 PM
Abel didn't really move or make any noises when he woke up, or at least that we saw. So Fi must've noticed his eyes opening. I can imagine Fi just sitting next to the bed, patiently waiting for his eyes to open to spring this question.

I really like the glowy effects in the dark room for this one.
Title: Re: 03/25/10 [DMFA #1096] - Maybe it's a comic about Spiders!
Post by: MT Hazard on March 15, 2010, 01:14:28 PM
Quote from: Techcubi on March 15, 2010, 11:20:08 AM
Quote from: Brownie on March 15, 2010, 04:28:25 AM
Well, I guess I'm an elitist then.
Comics are not a legit form of literature.


HAHAAHHAHAAHHAAHAHAH- Oh, wait, you were serious?

I'm sure many a discussion / argument has been had over this sort of thing, like what constitutes art, for some its paint squiggles, for others it's computer games.
Title: Re: 03/25/10 [DMFA #1096] - Maybe it's a comic about Spiders!
Post by: Riddel_Espoir on March 15, 2010, 01:15:01 PM
Um... maybe it's a bit off-topic, but how come Fi's tail Pip-bite mark is still there? I mean, don't Warp-aci get to regenerate small injuries?
Title: Re: 03/25/10 [DMFA #1096] - Maybe it's a comic about Spiders!
Post by: MT Hazard on March 15, 2010, 01:17:30 PM
Quote from: Riddel_Espoir on March 15, 2010, 01:15:01 PM
Um... maybe it's a bit off-topic, but how come Fi's tail Pip-bite mark is still there? I mean, don't Warp-aci get to regenerate small injuries?

Perhaps he's decided to keep it (like demons sheep's bone wing) or perhaps being bitten in the same place twice means it taking longer to heal.
Title: Re: 03/25/10 [DMFA #1096] - Maybe it's a comic about Spiders!
Post by: VAE on March 15, 2010, 01:21:49 PM
Quote from: MT Hazard on March 15, 2010, 01:14:28 PM
Quote from: Techcubi on March 15, 2010, 11:20:08 AM
Quote from: Brownie on March 15, 2010, 04:28:25 AM
Well, I guess I'm an elitist then.
Comics are not a legit form of literature.


HAHAAHHAHAAHHAAHAHAH- Oh, wait, you were serious?

I'm sure many a discussion / argument has been had over this sort of thing, like what constitutes art, for some its paint squiggles, for others it's computer games.

But does it matter at all? I mean the only difference is that art/literature , unlike the other text and pictures also get discussed by shabbily dressed  pretentious people in small cafes and wineries.
Title: Re: 03/25/10 [DMFA #1096] - Maybe it's a comic about Spiders!
Post by: jeffh4 on March 15, 2010, 01:27:53 PM
Quote from: joshofspam on March 15, 2010, 10:27:34 AM
Wait are their more things that bother Abel?

Remember what popped into Abel's head when Dan asked him to think of the scarriest thing he could imagine?  It was the Cubi instructor in the labcoat and monster-sized syringe.  I think his name is "Ink."
Title: Re: 03/25/10 [DMFA #1096] - Maybe it's a comic about Spiders!
Post by: Mrs_A_ZeTavia on March 15, 2010, 03:17:01 PM
I wonder if Abel learned his ninja like reflexes from Jyrras (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_760.php).....  :mowninja
Title: Re: 03/25/10 [DMFA #1096] - Maybe it's a comic about Spiders!
Post by: Sunblink on March 15, 2010, 03:35:55 PM
Amber, your shading/lighting in this page is stellar. I wanna know how this is done, seriously. D: I tried duplicating it (bad idea) once and failed pretty miserably. I don't understand how it doesn't take you like a million layers.

Uh, but I digress.  

Quote from: danman on March 15, 2010, 01:21:49 PM
But does it matter at all? I mean the only difference is that art/literature , unlike the other text and pictures also get discussed by shabbily dressed  pretentious people in small cafes and wineries.

This. Or pretentious people sitting behind a judge's table.

"You're right in that I shouldn't expect too much from comic book writing, but what kind of an excuse is that? Comic book writers do not undergo mandatory lobotomies. Was Watchmen just comic book writing? Was Schindler's List just a bunch of flickery lights on a wall?" - Yahtzee (lol Batman: Arkham Asylum review)
Title: Re: 03/25/10 [DMFA #1096] - Maybe it's a comic about Spiders!
Post by: Anker Steadfast on March 15, 2010, 03:49:19 PM
Quote from: Keaton the Black Jackal on March 15, 2010, 03:35:55 PM
Quote from: danman on March 15, 2010, 01:21:49 PM
But does it matter at all? I mean the only difference is that art/literature , unlike the other text and pictures also get discussed by shabbily dressed  pretentious people in small cafes and wineries.
This. Or pretentious people sitting behind a judge's table.

Ah, but that's the whole point of art.
To be able to rub someone's face in it because what you do is art, and not mere squiqqles.
Therefore, only the squiqqles that are accepted by the shabbily pretentious judgemental people, is real art, otherwise they can't lord themselves over others.

Kinda like when one warlord kills another and calls it Justice, just because he won.
And then, he will alter historical record to show he did all the important bits and make sure he is favored in all trade deals coming his way.
After that he will try to convince his people that not only is he the Lord of Justice, but also the Lord of Peace and if they want to keep things peaceful they should be quiet and accept his rule.

It's basically all about ego-tripping. :)
Title: Re: 03/25/10 [DMFA #1096] - Maybe it's a comic about Spiders!
Post by: Sunblink on March 15, 2010, 03:51:50 PM
Quote from: Anker Steadfast on March 15, 2010, 03:49:19 PM
It's basically all about ego-tripping. :)

Aw crap, I'm clearly looking for the wrong job then.

I'm giving up my aspirations of becoming a comic book writer/artist and joining the circus. :<

The sad thing is, I somehow get that's a more hospitable atmosphere than being thought of as not a real artist by a bunch of old men who generally think that they're well-educated in a career of subjectivity.
Title: Re: 03/25/10 [DMFA #1096] - Maybe it's a comic about Spiders!
Post by: Psychedelic Mushroom on March 15, 2010, 04:00:41 PM
Quote from: MT Hazard on March 15, 2010, 01:17:30 PM
Perhaps he's decided to keep it (like demons sheep's bone wing) or perhaps being bitten in the same place twice means it taking longer to heal.

Quick fixation. Regina is a Gazell. Not a sheep.

Anyways!!! Has ANYONE noticed that abel woke up with his wings out?  :O

Because he made his wings reappear during the arguement with Pip. So if he woke up with his wings out. The following could've happened

1: He put them out before falling asleep

2: That dream made them open on their own.
-----------------------------

I dunno I just thought it was something important. >XD
Title: Re: 03/25/10 [DMFA #1096] - Maybe it's a comic about Spiders!
Post by: Infranscia on March 15, 2010, 04:08:39 PM
Quote from: MT Hazard on March 15, 2010, 01:17:30 PM
Quote from: Riddel_Espoir on March 15, 2010, 01:15:01 PMUm... maybe it's a bit off-topic, but how come Fi's tail Pip-bite mark is still there? I mean, don't Warp-aci get to regenerate small injuries?

Perhaps he's decided to keep it (like demons sheep's bone wing) or perhaps being bitten in the same place twice means it taking longer to heal.

Nah.  Fi's cast page (http://www.missmab.com/Cast/fi.php) says that he's rather vain and is also annoyed that his tail is missing a chunk.  I dunno if Warp-Aci can heal naturally.  So far as I know, the only reason it healed in the first place is because he gained power, thus growing in size and such.  It stayed when he shrunk though... Maybe the piece grew back because he was growing anyways?  I don't know if it could be grown back with a owner-assisted shape-change - if so, seems it's not going to happen thank to lack of interest/knowledge on Dan's part.

If it can grow back naturally, well, only about a week has passed in the comic since he got the new bite.


I like how much Abel's tail is fluffed up.  Hehe.  We've seen it fluff, but I don't think it's fluffed that much before.  Pretty good indication of how much Fi startled him, if you ask me.

And is it just me, or does Fi's speech imply that Abel promised to read with him at some point?  Seems another bit of Abel's true nature (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_648.php) is showing through. :3


And if you ask me, drawing, writing, and such is about sharing ideas and enjoyment with people.  :mowmeep  Sure, getting compliments is nice (also critique for the sake of improvement), but that's not the whole reason I like to draw and write.  I generally don't put something down if it's something I want to keep to myself.

As for what is art... Well, I guess we could say it's in the eye of the beholder.  :mowwink  Mileage varies, (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/YourMileageMayVary) after all.
Title: Re: 03/25/10 [DMFA #1096] - Maybe it's a comic about Spiders!
Post by: Tapewolf on March 15, 2010, 04:27:10 PM
Quote from: Professor Fate on March 15, 2010, 04:00:41 PM
Anyways!!! Has ANYONE noticed that abel woke up with his wings out?  :O

Because he made his wings reappear during the arguement with Pip. So if he woke up with his wings out. The following could've happened

1: He put them out before falling asleep

2: That dream made them open on their own.

http://missmab.com/Comics/Vol_752.php

Abel seems to sleep with his wings out, like Dan does.  Why, I've no idea, since he seems petrified of being found as a 'Cubi and if he actually is unconscious it seems a bit risky.
Title: Re: 03/25/10 [DMFA #1096] - Maybe it's a comic about Spiders!
Post by: psilorder on March 15, 2010, 05:23:25 PM
Quote from: Tapewolf on March 15, 2010, 04:27:10 PM
Quote from: Professor Fate on March 15, 2010, 04:00:41 PM
Anyways!!! Has ANYONE noticed that abel woke up with his wings out?  :O

Because he made his wings reappear during the arguement with Pip. So if he woke up with his wings out. The following could've happened

1: He put them out before falling asleep

2: That dream made them open on their own.

http://missmab.com/Comics/Vol_752.php

Abel seems to sleep with his wings out, like Dan does.  Why, I've no idea, since he seems petrified of being found as a 'Cubi and if he actually is unconscious it seems a bit risky.


Well, there are other species with wings so i guess he might assume he'd be misstaken for one of those.
Title: Re: 03/25/10 [DMFA #1096] - Maybe it's a comic about Spiders!
Post by: SpottedKitty on March 15, 2010, 05:25:56 PM
Quote from: jeffh4 on March 15, 2010, 01:27:53 PM

Remember what popped into Abel's head when Dan asked him to think of the scarriest thing he could imagine?  It was the Cubi instructor in the labcoat and monster-sized syringe.  I think his name is "Ink."


I'm not sure if that really counts, since at least 99.999% of SAIA residents, past and present, are scared of Ink. And yes, I'm including Kish'Ta's Clan in that number. (The only one I think we can all agree isn't, has to be Fa'lina. See the scene of the two of them watching Abel in the isolation room.)
Title: Re: 03/25/10 [DMFA #1096] - Maybe it's a comic about Spiders!
Post by: Tangent on March 15, 2010, 06:01:19 PM
Quote from: Brownie on March 15, 2010, 04:28:25 AM
Well, I guess I'm an elitist then.
Comics are not a legit form of literature.
This Critic begs to differ, and for five years now has treated webcomics as not only a legitimate form of literature, but one that deserves to be (and should be) treated as such. That definitely includes DMFA, which is one of my favorite webcomics.
Title: Re: 03/25/10 [DMFA #1096] - Maybe it's a comic about Spiders!
Post by: D'ymkarra on March 15, 2010, 06:30:10 PM
Quote from: Tangent on March 15, 2010, 06:01:19 PM
Quote from: Brownie on March 15, 2010, 04:28:25 AM
Well, I guess I'm an elitist then.
Comics are not a legit form of literature.
This Critic begs to differ, and for five years now has treated webcomics as not only a legitimate form of literature, but one that deserves to be (and should be) treated as such. That definitely includes DMFA, which is one of my favorite webcomics.

I concur. I hold webcomics (or any story-arc comic in print) in the same regard as a graphic novel, or any other type of literature..It's merely a different, and imo, much more appealing way of presenting a story.


As for Fi's comic ( and it's resulting effect on Abel), I just chalk it up to bad timing. (http://missmab.com/Comics/Vol_671.php)
Title: Re: 03/25/10 [DMFA #1096] - Maybe it's a comic about Spiders!
Post by: Trazz on March 15, 2010, 06:39:19 PM
Abel's gone ninja, just like Jyrras! http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_760.php
Title: Re: 03/25/10 [DMFA #1096] - Maybe it's a comic about Spiders!
Post by: Infranscia on March 15, 2010, 06:46:35 PM
Quote from: D'ymkarra on March 15, 2010, 06:30:10 PMI concur. I hold webcomics (or any story-arc comic in print) in the same regard as a graphic novel, or any other type of literature..It's merely a different, and imo, much more appealing way of presenting a story.

With me, I think it depends on the type of comic.  If it's random antics with little or no story, then probably not.  Though if it goes really in-depth and such, then I'm more likely to consider it literature, especially if it has quite a bit of text-wall.

Quote from: D'ymkarra on March 15, 2010, 06:30:10 PMAs for Fi's comic ( and it's resulting effect on Abel), I just chalk it up to bad timing. (http://missmab.com/Comics/Vol_671.php)

...This might be me not considering things, but wasn't everyone, other than in jest?  It struck me as bad timing right away.  I mean, Abel didn't even look at Fi, or the comic book.
Title: Re: 03/25/10 [DMFA #1096] - Maybe it's a comic about Spiders!
Post by: Psychedelic Mushroom on March 15, 2010, 06:57:51 PM
Quote from: Tapewolf on March 15, 2010, 04:27:10 PM
Quote from: Professor Fate on March 15, 2010, 04:00:41 PM
Anyways!!! Has ANYONE noticed that abel woke up with his wings out?  :O

Because he made his wings reappear during the arguement with Pip. So if he woke up with his wings out. The following could've happened

1: He put them out before falling asleep

2: That dream made them open on their own.

http://missmab.com/Comics/Vol_752.php

Abel seems to sleep with his wings out, like Dan does.  Why, I've no idea, since he seems petrified of being found as a 'Cubi and if he actually is unconscious it seems a bit risky.

Ah, I see. I guess it makes it more comfortable,  or maybe just because his mind his relaxing he can't hold a shifted shape. But I doubt my own theory. :U
Title: Re: 03/25/10 [DMFA #1096] - Maybe it's a comic about Spiders!
Post by: Turnsky on March 15, 2010, 07:51:10 PM
Quote from: Keaton the Black Jackal on March 15, 2010, 03:51:50 PM
I'm giving up my aspirations of becoming a comic book writer/artist and joining the circus. :<


you're becoming a forum mod?  >:3
Title: Re: 03/25/10 [DMFA #1096] - Maybe it's a comic about Spiders!
Post by: Lucheek on March 15, 2010, 08:58:13 PM
Quote from: Tangent on March 15, 2010, 06:01:19 PM
Quote from: Brownie on March 15, 2010, 04:28:25 AM
Well, I guess I'm an elitist then.
Comics are not a legit form of literature.
This Critic begs to differ, and for five years now has treated webcomics as not only a legitimate form of literature, but one that deserves to be (and should be) treated as such. That definitely includes DMFA, which is one of my favorite webcomics.
I think my only argument as comics as literature is that they use pictures, so might more properly be described as a legitimate form of story-telling.  

The real argument of this isn't if comics are or are not a legitimate form of literature, but what "legitimate from of literature" means.

And also I find it funny we're talking about what constitues as literature and throwing around the slang-word legit.



Edit: I guess it's probaly in good measure to put what I consider my definition of what is art and what is  literature. Art/Literature is anything somebody likes to look at/read. :3
Title: Re: 03/25/10 [DMFA #1096] - Maybe it's a comic about Spiders!
Post by: 127.0.0.2 on March 15, 2010, 09:48:38 PM
Perfect pacing and sweet irony... You're getting scared the living daylights out of you by a dream that couldn't actually have happened and the first thing you meet is naturally Fi. I think there are not many other beings which can be scary and un-scary at the same time like Fi can.

As has been said, the glow effect really takes the cake. Amber actually drew the shadows in the second panel with respect to the glow! That already made the warp acis appear so special back when Fi was introduced first (http://missmab.com/Comics/Vol_420.php) and I'm glad to see, Amber is still using that effect.

And I still can't believe that was a real dream. Maybe in the next strip we'll hear footsteps of a very agitated Mab on the floor outside? :)
Title: Re: 03/25/10 [DMFA #1096] - Maybe it's a comic about Spiders!
Post by: D'ymkarra on March 15, 2010, 10:24:57 PM
Quote from: Infranscia on March 15, 2010, 06:46:35 PM
With me, I think it depends on the type of comic.  If it's random antics with little or no story, then probably not.  Though if it goes really in-depth and such, then I'm more likely to consider it literature, especially if it has quite a bit of text-wall.

That's sort of why I mentioned specifically story-arc based comics (like dmfa, obviously) because the telling is equally split between both the art and the text, and there is a clear, linear flow to the story. Like you say, the random antics, and one-liner/ single panel gags don't count, no matter how standalone funny they might be.
Title: Re: 03/25/10 [DMFA #1096] - Maybe it's a comic about Spiders!
Post by: GabrielsThoughts on March 15, 2010, 11:51:42 PM
I am in total agreement with Fi. Comics are a legitimate form of literature, like the chap-books of Colonial America or Dime Novels of old. Some good examples of comics as a serious medium are:

Maus by Art Speigelman

Persepolis by Marjane Satrapi

Understanding Comics by Scott McCloud

Fun Home by Alison Bechdel. 

I'm on the fence about recommending Scott Pilgrim, Booster Gold,  or Batman, in this category, as they are works of fiction.
Title: Re: 03/25/10 [DMFA #1096] - Maybe it's a comic about Spiders!
Post by: Anker Steadfast on March 16, 2010, 04:39:03 AM
Quote from: D'ymkarra on March 15, 2010, 10:24:57 PM
Quote from: Infranscia on March 15, 2010, 06:46:35 PMWith me, I think it depends on the type of comic.  If it's random antics with little or no story, then probably not.  Though if it goes really in-depth and such, then I'm more likely to consider it literature, especially if it has quite a bit of text-wall.
That's sort of why I mentioned specifically story-arc based comics (like dmfa, obviously) because the telling is equally split between both the art and the text, and there is a clear, linear flow to the story. Like you say, the random antics, and one-liner/ single panel gags don't count, no matter how standalone funny they might be.

I disagree - Anything that carries any sort of meaningful information or opinion across from one person to another and is persistent, is a media worthy of being literature. ie. a telephone call isn't  literature since it's gone once you end it, but a tape containing that phone call is.

As for one liners, they can contain profound insights and express even more.
Take a comic like Ted Dawsons Spooner (http://www.spoonercomics.com/d/20080512.html), a lot of things in there to recognize in yourself.
Heck, they don't even have to have a lot of text in them or anything.
But they express both opinion and insights to anothers life and have resonance to your own.
That makes it literature in my eyes.

Literature is what you make of it, I say. :)
Title: Re: 03/25/10 [DMFA #1096] - Maybe it's a comic about Spiders!
Post by: Turnsky on March 16, 2010, 04:52:38 AM
Quote from: GabrielsThoughts on March 15, 2010, 11:51:42 PM
I am in total agreement with Fi. Comics are a legitimate form of literature, like the chap-books of Colonial America or Dime Novels of old. Some good examples of comics as a serious medium are:

Maus by Art Speigelman

Persepolis by Marjane Satrapi

Understanding Comics by Scott McCloud

Fun Home by Alison Bechdel. 

I'm on the fence about recommending Scott Pilgrim, Booster Gold,  or Batman, in this category, as they are works of fiction.

knowing Fi it could just as easily be Furrae's version of an "Archie" comic.  >:3
Title: Re: 03/25/10 [DMFA #1096] - Maybe it's a comic about Spiders!
Post by: Tapewolf on March 16, 2010, 05:05:53 AM
I once read a short SF story about an alien invasion fleet who sent an advance force to Earth.  They came across a kid reading some kind of space-opera comic, who convinces them that the comic is a training manual.  The aliens panic and retreat, believing that they'd mis-categorised Earth's level of development.
Title: Re: 03/25/10 [DMFA #1096] - Maybe it's a comic about Spiders!
Post by: Anker Steadfast on March 16, 2010, 10:21:15 AM
Quote from: Tapewolf on March 16, 2010, 05:05:53 AM
I once read a short SF story about an alien invasion fleet who sent an advance force to Earth.  They came across a kid reading some kind of space-opera comic, who convinces them that the comic is a training manual.  The aliens panic and retreat, believing that they'd mis-categorised Earth's level of development.

I think it was the author David Weber used something like that in a book of his, except it was a small scout team running afoul of a retired black operations marine - After a very hard fight, which they lost rather badly, they retreated and decided that humans was much too tough to fight, if an old retired human in the wild could fight them back that easily.

Turns out that when the government realized that they were coming, they sort of sheep herded them towards the old guy.
And the story ends with a CIA agent visiting the retired marine with "payment for extra services rendered".
Poor aliens, they never knew what hit 'em.

:D
Title: Re: 03/25/10 [DMFA #1096] - Maybe it's a comic about Spiders!
Post by: Sunblink on March 16, 2010, 10:32:48 AM
Quote from: Turnsky on March 15, 2010, 07:51:10 PM
Quote from: Keaton the Black Jackal on March 15, 2010, 03:51:50 PM
I'm giving up my aspirations of becoming a comic book writer/artist and joining the circus. :<


you're becoming a forum mod babysitter?  >:3

Fixed that for you. >:3

Gawd, babysitting in any shape or form would destroy me.
Title: Re: 03/25/10 [DMFA #1096] - Maybe it's a comic about Spiders!
Post by: Mao on March 16, 2010, 10:44:02 AM
Quote from: Keaton the Black Jackal on March 16, 2010, 10:32:48 AM
Quote from: Turnsky on March 15, 2010, 07:51:10 PM
Quote from: Keaton the Black Jackal on March 15, 2010, 03:51:50 PM
I'm giving up my aspirations of becoming a comic book writer/artist and joining the circus. :<


you're becoming a forum mod babysitter janitor?  >:3

Fixed that for you. >:3

Gawd, babysitting in any shape or form would destroy me.

Fixed your fix.
Title: Re: 03/25/10 [DMFA #1096] - Maybe it's a comic about Spiders!
Post by: Sunblink on March 16, 2010, 11:30:41 AM
Quote from: Mao Laoren on March 16, 2010, 10:44:02 AMFixed your fix.

Or a maid... :o

"No matter how many times you save the world, it always manages to get back in jeopardy again. Sometimes I just want it to stay saved! You know, for a little bit? I feel like the maid; I just cleaned up this mess! Can we keep it clean for... for ten minutes!" - The Incredibles

I couldn't resist. XD
Title: Re: 03/25/10 [DMFA #1096] - Maybe it's a comic about Spiders!
Post by: Paladin Sheppard on March 16, 2010, 11:39:41 AM
Quote from: Keaton the Black Jackal on March 16, 2010, 11:30:41 AM
Quote from: Mao Laoren on March 16, 2010, 10:44:02 AMFixed your fix.

Or a maid... :o

"No matter how many times you save the world, it always manages to get back in jeopardy again. Sometimes I just want it to stay saved! You know, for a little bit? I feel like the maid; I just cleaned up this mess! Can we keep it clean for... for ten minutes!" - The Incredibles

I couldn't resist. XD


Keaton's quote for the win. I don't think we can post any more in this topic....
Title: Re: 03/25/10 [DMFA #1096] - Maybe it's a comic about Spiders!
Post by: Turnsky on March 16, 2010, 11:45:20 AM
Quote from: Keaton the Black Jackal on March 16, 2010, 11:30:41 AM
Quote from: Mao Laoren on March 16, 2010, 10:44:02 AMFixed your fix.

Or a maid... :o

"No matter how many times you save the world, it always manages to get back in jeopardy again. Sometimes I just want it to stay saved! You know, for a little bit? I feel like the maid; I just cleaned up this mess! Can we keep it clean for... for ten minutes!" - The Incredibles

I couldn't resist. XD

Keating Wilco?  :U
Title: Re: 03/25/10 [DMFA #1096] - Maybe it's a comic about Spiders!
Post by: GabrielsThoughts on March 16, 2010, 12:39:19 PM
Quote from: Tapewolf on March 16, 2010, 05:05:53 AM
I once read a short SF story about an alien invasion fleet who sent an advance force to Earth.  They came across a kid reading some kind of space-opera comic, who convinces them that the comic is a training manual.  The aliens panic and retreat, believing that they'd mis-categorised Earth's level of development.

I remember reading a story where the alien invasion force believed it was unwise to attack earth because one alien had encountered a five year old  kid that  had had telepathic powers. Ironically, the alien just assumed that "if all humans are at this level at such a young age, then of course the adults must be that much more terrifying." Thing is, the five year old didn't have telepathy he took one look at the the alien and said "you're lost aren't you?" and followed this up by "Wanna' see a magic trick?" this of  course was followed by the boy showing him a magic trick wherein the boy predicted the card the alien had chosen from deck of cards at random... and, of course, the boy figured out it was an alien with the simple question "are you from outer space?" the alien had too escape quickly before the boy could probe his mind further and returned to warn his species about the terrifying earthlings... who probably already knew about the planned invasion and were clearly just toying with them so as not to arouse suspicion.
Title: Re: 03/25/10 [DMFA #1096] - Maybe it's a comic about Spiders!
Post by: iceick on March 16, 2010, 02:29:42 PM
Quote from: MT Hazard on March 15, 2010, 01:17:30 PM
Quote from: Riddel_Espoir on March 15, 2010, 01:15:01 PM
Um... maybe it's a bit off-topic, but how come Fi's tail Pip-bite mark is still there? I mean, don't Warp-aci get to regenerate small injuries?

Perhaps he's decided to keep it (like demons sheep's bone wing) or perhaps being bitten in the same place twice means it taking longer to heal.
Or prehaps warp aci can only heal that kind of damage by going back to their own dimention, which, because of Dan, didn't happen to Fi.
Title: Re: 03/25/10 [DMFA #1096] - Maybe it's a comic about Spiders!
Post by: 127.0.0.2 on March 16, 2010, 07:37:24 PM
Quote from: iceick on March 16, 2010, 02:29:42 PM
Quote from: MT Hazard on March 15, 2010, 01:17:30 PM
Quote from: Riddel_Espoir on March 15, 2010, 01:15:01 PM
Um... maybe it's a bit off-topic, but how come Fi's tail Pip-bite mark is still there? I mean, don't Warp-aci get to regenerate small injuries?

Perhaps he's decided to keep it (like demons sheep's bone wing) or perhaps being bitten in the same place twice means it taking longer to heal.
Or prehaps warp aci can only heal that kind of damage by going back to their own dimention, which, because of Dan, didn't happen to Fi.
I think Warp Aci can't shapeshift on their own, they can only change shape if their "owner" wills them to. So maybe Fi should "nicely" "ask" Dan to do this for him.
Title: Re: 03/25/10 [DMFA #1096] - Maybe it's a comic about Spiders!
Post by: iceick on March 18, 2010, 02:11:18 PM
We're not reffering to shapeshifting, we're reffering to healing. And as for shapeshifting a new tail Dan doesn't know how to do those kind of spells yet (if ever), so if Fi asks anyone to shapeshift his tail he should ask Abel.
Title: Re: 03/25/10 [DMFA #1096] - Maybe it's a comic about Spiders!
Post by: jeffh4 on March 18, 2010, 04:08:46 PM
Quote from: GabrielsThoughts on March 16, 2010, 12:39:19 PM
Quote from: Tapewolf on March 16, 2010, 05:05:53 AM
I once read a short SF story about an alien invasion fleet who sent an advance force to Earth.  They came across a kid reading some kind of space-opera comic, who convinces them that the comic is a training manual.  The aliens panic and retreat, believing that they'd mis-categorised Earth's level of development.

I remember reading a story where the alien invasion force believed it was unwise to attack earth because one alien had encountered a five year old  kid that  had had telepathic powers. Ironically, the alien just assumed that "if all humans are at this level at such a young age, then of course the adults must be that much more terrifying." Thing is, the five year old didn't have telepathy he took one look at the the alien and said "you're lost aren't you?" and followed this up by "Wanna' see a magic trick?" this of  course was followed by the boy showing him a magic trick wherein the boy predicted the card the alien had chosen from deck of cards at random... and, of course, the boy figured out it was an alien with the simple question "are you from outer space?" the alien had too escape quickly before the boy could probe his mind further and returned to warn his species about the terrifying earthlings... who probably already knew about the planned invasion and were clearly just toying with them so as not to arouse suspicion.

Reminds me of a short story where the alien races of the known galaxy put a shield around the Earth and moon to contain the most dangerous race, humans.  After 100 years, a more dangerous race was found that began tearing through the known worlds.  A diplomatic party is sent to Earth to negotiate humans engaging the new threat in return for their freedom. They find a completely agrarian setting.  One of the diplomatic party wanders into the countryside during negotiations.  He hides when he sees one of the dangerous race's destroyer-class ships land nearby.  A landing party of the aliens leaves the ship. One picks up a small un-frightened boy, and disdainfully tosses him away.  The boy floats to the ground, points his stick as the landing party and says "Bad mans." They evaporate away.  Then he points his stick at the Destroyer. "More bad mans" (still one of my favorite SF quotes).  The ship evaporates away.  The boy returns to drawing designs in the dirt.  Turns out technological innovation has continued during the interregnum. All of it is underground and all people and animals are linked in and have access to the world-computer's power.
Title: Re: 03/25/10 [DMFA #1096] - Maybe it's a comic about Spiders!
Post by: Tangent on March 18, 2010, 06:35:12 PM
You forgot the part at the end where Humanity agrees to help, and once the shield is opened, the entire planet (and the Moon) follow the aliens rather than having humanity get on spaceships to help against the enemy aliens. ^^
Title: Re: 03/25/10 [DMFA #1096] - Maybe it's a comic about Spiders!
Post by: 127.0.0.2 on March 18, 2010, 09:44:44 PM
Quote from: iceick on March 18, 2010, 02:11:18 PM
We're not reffering to shapeshifting, we're reffering to healing. And as for shapeshifting a new tail Dan doesn't know how to do those kind of spells yet (if ever), so if Fi asks anyone to shapeshift his tail he should ask Abel.

Well, I've always assumed that the black critter Warp-Acis appear as is actually more some kind of "projection". At least according to the Demo 101 (http://missmab.com/Demo/aci.php), the "actual Warp-Aci" seems to be that awesome blueish glow effect around it! So I think that bite mark is not a real injury either but more some kind of cosmetic problem. And that would fall less into a "healing" and more into a "shape shifting" category.
And I don't think Abel could help, since Fi is linked up to Dan as its new owner since they left SAIA. So If Dan doesn't know the spells, it looks like bad luck for Fi  :)

Quote from: Tangent on March 18, 2010, 06:35:12 PM
You forgot the part at the end where Humanity agrees to help, and once the shield is opened, the entire planet (and the Moon) follow the aliens rather than having humanity get on spaceships to help against the enemy aliens. ^^
That story sounds pretty interesting. You don't happen to remember the name?  :3

Title: Re: 03/25/10 [DMFA #1096] - Maybe it's a comic about Spiders!
Post by: VAE on March 18, 2010, 09:56:21 PM
I do not think so - i think the "contains" in this case means that its form is enclosed and shielded by the energy around it
Title: Re: 03/25/10 [DMFA #1096] - Maybe it's a comic about Spiders!
Post by: A. Lurker on March 19, 2010, 08:37:59 AM
Quote from: 127.0.0.2 on March 18, 2010, 09:44:44 PM
That story sounds pretty interesting. You don't happen to remember the name?  :3

If TV Tropes and my rusty memory can be trusted (I've read the story ages ago, but the library wouldn't let me keep the book ;)), that would be With Friends Like These by Alan Dean Foster.
Title: Re: 03/25/10 [DMFA #1096] - Maybe it's a comic about Spiders!
Post by: Anker Steadfast on March 19, 2010, 07:02:56 PM
Quote from: Tangent on March 18, 2010, 06:35:12 PMYou forgot the part at the end where Humanity agrees to help, and once the shield is opened, the entire planet (and the Moon) follow the aliens rather than having humanity get on spaceships to help against the enemy aliens. ^^

Jeebus, with tech like that, they could probably have just busted trough the shield whenever they wanted to. :D


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Quote from: A. Lurker on March 19, 2010, 08:37:59 AM
Quote from: 127.0.0.2 on March 18, 2010, 09:44:44 PMThat story sounds pretty interesting. You don't happen to remember the name?  :3
If TV Tropes and my rusty memory can be trusted (I've read the story ages ago, but the library wouldn't let me keep the book ;)), that would be With Friends Like These by Alan Dean Foster.

I can confirm this, I just read the short story ... it's only about 15 short pages long.