Holy Mind Rape Pip!
So was Abel awake when Alexi came home or not? I'm confused now.
Edit:
Fixed your title. It can't be that hard to follow a pattern, can it?
-- llearch
Damn...never saw that one coming :erk
*cheers wildly for Amber's TWISTED mind*
HOLY MIND RAPE BATMAN!
That is one of those scenes that one would be terrified to even consider sleeping as an option.
I would not be surprised if Abel decided that he didn't want to try sleeping for a few years after that.
It was a dream..... :erk DOH!
Simplest thing in the book, written off before it was even thought of.
Very well played Miss very well played.
The thought had passed through my mind (and maybe someone mentioned in the last thread) that it might just be a dream. Well lookie here. :mowhappy
The question now is "who was directing it?" Was it really Pip? Was it another cubi secretly visiting (perhaps Destania)? Was it just Abel's own subconscious?
....Oh damn it.
We learn nothing we already didn't know about Abel's fear and trauma, and "just a dream" always feels like a cop-out ending to a scene.
The only mindscrew is whether it's just a glimpse of his fears or whether someone higher up in the power chain is yanking puppetstrings.
:sigh
And look at that, Pip bits turning into Henya bits. Pip is Henya back from the dead! :mwaha
Awesome job if Amber had that idea planned the whole time! :D Though, I can't shake the though that she was going through the previous strip's thread and making sure each theory suggested was not the real one being used. :)
Quote from: Daymond42 on March 14, 2010, 03:37:34 AM
Awesome job if Amber had that idea planned the whole time! :D Though, I can't shake the though that she was going through the previous strip's thread and making sure each theory suggested was not the real one being used. :)
With all the wild and crazy theories in this forum, good luck with that!
I half-called it in the thread on 1091 (http://clockworkmansion.com/forum/index.php/topic,7034.msg313532.html#msg313532). :boogie
Well, something tells me that either A) someone is screwing with Abel to teach him a vital lesson or B) Abel's subconscious is screwing with him to make him realize something. Either way is not really pleasant.
But damn, Amber. For "it was a dream," that's surprisingly terrifying.
Wow, this is getting scary or at least as scary as a comic can be. But on a happy note (at least fore somme) it seams Pip isn't dead :)
I like how in panel five he puts on his Dan face.
Follow the white rabbit, Abel.
Now... setting aside the strangeness of Abel falling asleep at all, how did Pip end up in his dreams? Did Abel actually meet him in the inn, or can Pip dream-surf?
My theory is that Pip is Destania. Or something. I dunno.
Quote from: Daymond42 on March 14, 2010, 03:37:34 AM
Though, I can't shake the though that she was going through the previous strip's thread and making sure each theory suggested was not the real one being used. :)
Given how much work a comic is? I kinda doubt it.
I love that last interchange between Pip and Abel.
Abel:"Shows what you know!"
Pip: "Shows what you
don't"
Quote from: D'ymkarra on March 14, 2010, 03:18:58 AM
Damn...never saw that one coming :erk
I did though I wasn't convinced of it at first for various reasons.
Quote from: DavidRokon on March 14, 2010, 03:58:05 AM
I like how in panel five he puts on his Dan face.
Spooky, is Dan rubbing off on him? (Ye gods, that sounded much more innocent in my mind)
I can well imagine the next strip where Abel goes to Dan because he needs a hug (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_379.php). Except Dan's not home yet. Hey Jyrras, this is your chance!
To be honest? I suspect for a few days/weeks he's gonna be extremely elusive before he dares put another appearence. I'm also playing on a combo of subconscious with a string puller just giving it those correct nudges.
Now I want to know the mechanics of how Abel was able to have a dream. Maybe it just becomes less and less frequent... though really I'm sitting in the "A higher power did it" camp.
Still, I'm glad that he (probably) isn't going to get in trouble with Alexsi for trashing the inn.
It's official. DMFA and Abel's Story are no longer two separate comics.
I made an account just to post this.
I don't believe Able actually dreamed that scene. After all, its impossible for cubi to dream. So what if Pip just knocked Able out, put him to bed, and woke him up. Easier to do then make someone of a race that can't dream, dream.
Quote from: Loki Impisi on March 14, 2010, 04:57:12 AM
I made an account just to post this.
I don't believe Able actually dreamed that scene. After all, its impossible for cubi to dream. So what if Pip just knocked Able out, put him to bed, and woke him up. Easier to do then make someone of a race that can't dream, dream.
Oh they can dream they just lose the ability to, presumably a chunk before they lose any reasoning to sleep. Cyra mentioned herself that Dee lost the ability to dream which is why she was so ecstatic about Dan. I suspect Abel's own subconscious roll has meant he himself has not dreamed in a VERY long time. Perhaps since the Dead!Devin incident?
I have a strange feeling that this is not the last we have seen of dream Pip.
Amber needn't worry about blood content, i mean, after all it's not like she's drawing meat trees, now, is it? :U
Quote from: Loki Impisi on March 14, 2010, 04:57:12 AM
I don't believe Able actually dreamed that scene. After all, its impossible for cubi to dream. So what if Pip just knocked Able out, put him to bed, and woke him up. Easier to do then make someone of a race that can't dream, dream.
If you actually read all the comics you'll see that cubi can dream, but their clan leader is in charge. (http://missmab.com/Comics/Vol_1000.php) This just makes me think that the dream was being controlled by Aniz who was playing as Pip. It just makes me think even more that Pip is Aniz in disguise. And who knows, maybe within those 375 years Aniz was missing he figured out how to accend and will soon become a new clan leader.
Quote from: iceick on March 14, 2010, 05:24:34 AM
If you actually read all the comics you'll see that cubi can dream, but their clan leader is in charge. (http://missmab.com/Comics/Vol_1000.php) This just makes me think that the dream was being controlled by Aniz who was playing as Pip.
I'm not sure you've quite hit the mark, truth be told. This is how I understand it from what I've picked up in the comic and the forums. (It may of course be wrong, but I think it's reasonably close)
'Cubi who have a Tri-winged leader are linked to that leader. This is how Hizell was able to track down Siar's surviving descendants, and it's also how Dan got a sudden power-up during his fight with DP.
Aniz is almost certainly not a Tri-Wing - if he's even still alive - and I'm not sure that a non-Tri-wing leader is linked to their descendants in the same way. (EDIT: Or whether he actually is a leader in the clan sense of the word)
Anyhow. Cyra then demonstrated that it was possible for her to use this link to control the dreams of a dreaming 'Cubi (of her own descent). In 1002 she hints that this will only work with 'Cubi who are still young enough to be able to have dreams.
Dreaming is something that they gradually lose like their need to eat and drink. They are still able to sleep, but they no longer have a biological need to and when their ability to dream ceases, they usually stop trying. IIRC this is also one of the reasons some 'Cubi dream-surf, because they can no longer have their own dreams.
EDIT:
Important point I missed - while Tri-wing leaders can probably only dream-communicate with their descendants, it's entirely possible that - like Hizell tracking down Siar's children - some sufficiently powerful entity could hack into it as a kind of backdoor, and pull something like this off. This might be what we're seeing, but it kind of requires that Abel is still able to dream, which is unclear.
Quote from: Jairus on March 14, 2010, 03:46:10 AM
For "it was a dream," that's surprisingly terrifying.
Some dreams can be. In some dreams, you are terrified of the most simple things. When you dream, your subconscious can bring up your worst fears.
But I think someone else was influencing Abel's dream. Mab, maybe? Or Fa'lina?
I wonder who relieved him of his shift. I'm thinking Dan. And how did Abel fall asleep and dream? An enchantment by a particular Fae?
Or maybe Pip himself is more powerful than he seems :U
Or, Wildy? She is a shaman...
Quote from: Tapewolf on March 14, 2010, 05:51:18 AM
In 1002 [Cyra] hints that this will only work with 'Cubi who are still young enough to be able to have dreams.
Since she said Destania had "given up" the ability to dream i read that as she had chosen to stop (making it sadder for her mother i suppose).
so my theory is "Abel has missunderstood about cubi and dreams" because of Destania and his own lack of dreaming. I was leaning towards "Abel is something different" but more likely there's a missunderstanding. however, has anything been said about mutations in Furrae?
I really hope that this still jostles Abel into realizing he needs to confront his issues. Somehow dream-happenings aren't always as powerful as IRL happenings. Either way: Glad to see Pip isn't dead and really curious who's pulling the strings here.
Quote from: psilorder on March 14, 2010, 07:21:59 AM
Since she said Destania had "given up" the ability to dream i read that as she had chosen to stop (making it sadder for her mother i suppose).
That's possible. Amber has implied - with regard to 'Cubi not breathing - that it's possible to accelerate the process. I'm not sure that the end result is voluntary, though.
EDIT:
Reading Amber's rant where she's apologising for the blood and wondering if she'll have to up the rating of the comic, maybe she could up the rating for just one chapter or something?
It sounds nuts, but it's been done before. Chapter 20, Book 3 of
The Discoverie of Witchcraft is basically a warning that the book will discuss "filthie and bawdie matters" (succubi, in fact) and that readers who would be offended should skip the next 8 chapters.
I have a feeling spotty has a birthday coming up.
And it will be hellish for him, as has been everything else. Especially if Aniz shows up without an improved attitude.*
*If he's not dead.
Amber, I love your mad skills. I love them so much.
I think I like Pip a bit more after this - I mean, he seems more like a capable manipulator now rather than an annoyance. I'm not making a lick of sense though. I just love how he arranged the hallucinatory dream thing.
Oh hello Hennya's head. It's good to see you again.
As for the matter of who, exactly, was responsible for being able to make Abel dream again, why not just Pip or Mab instead of a third party? Certainly Fae magic could completely warp reality enough to bypass the restrictions of Cubi slumber. Or, being Mab's companion, Pip could've been taught a few tricks of his own. Most Drakes don't use magic. But most Drakes don't keep company with the Fae.
Quote from: Tapewolf on March 14, 2010, 04:44:52 AM
Still, I'm glad that he (probably) isn't going to get in trouble with Alexsi for trashing the inn.
Or with Mab for killing her pet.
a cubi may not need sleep for rest purposes, but they may need sleep now and again for psychological reasons.. a rested mind still has marbles rolling around in it, yes? >:3
Told you all I wasn't worried. :P
But now I am. That there's a freaky dream sequence that Abel shouldn't be having unless someone's giving it to him.
For a spot of wild mass guessing, I'll share a thought that randomly crossed my mind while reading this thread and the one for the last strip: "Dream Pip" is actually Cyra, and she's messing with Abel because with all his unresolved issues and the looming trouble in the future he's basically a ticking time bomb that just happens to be hanging out with her new grandson a lot. So she's trying to do something about that...in a roundabout way, of course.
Way off base? Probably. But that's all part of the fun. :mowwink
Quote from: Tapewolf on March 14, 2010, 04:44:52 AM
Now I want to know the mechanics of how Abel was able to have a dream. Maybe it just becomes less and less frequent... though really I'm sitting in the "A higher power did it" camp.
I don't think that all cubi irreveribly loses their ability to dream, I think it's just a result of not sleeping anymore. Of course Abel has not dreamt, he hasn't slept much in the last 300+ years. And Destania might have lost her dreams for different reasons than Abel, anyway. Perhaps she got bit by an Arachspearian.
Hmm, if she was not at the academy i would have bet Aaryanna is behind this particular one.
To note, it is nice how even such cliche can be played extremely well if noone is expecting it due to previous track record. *bows*
Well, Sanity is overrated - makes you too predictable.
Quote from: Keaton the Black Jackal on March 14, 2010, 08:16:05 AMI think I like Pip a bit more after this - I mean, he seems more like a capable manipulator now rather than an annoyance. I'm not making a lick of sense though. I just love how he arranged the hallucinatory dream thing.
Welcome to the club :)
Also, I doubt it was a dream, at least not all of it.
I dunno why, it just seems like pip made him sleep little by little at the very end, or something...
*shrug* :/
Quote from: Feather Dancer on March 14, 2010, 05:01:19 AM
Quote from: Loki Impisi on March 14, 2010, 04:57:12 AM
I made an account just to post this.
I don't believe Able actually dreamed that scene. After all, its impossible for cubi to dream. So what if Pip just knocked Able out, put him to bed, and woke him up. Easier to do then make someone of a race that can't dream, dream.
Oh they can dream they just lose the ability to, presumably a chunk before they lose any reasoning to sleep. Cyra mentioned herself that Dee lost the ability to dream which is why she was so ecstatic about Dan. I suspect Abel's own subconscious roll has meant he himself has not dreamed in a VERY long time. Perhaps since the Dead!Devin incident?
If they lose the ability to dream, how can they dream? That's like saying 'He lost the ability to use his right arm..but can use it.' or 'He lost the ability to talk, but can sing'. or 'He lost the ability to walk, but can run.'
This has to be someone messing with Abel. Is his father back? Dun dun DUUUUNNN!
Quote from: WhiteFox on March 14, 2010, 04:01:56 AM
Follow the white rabbit, Abel.
Haha..total win :mowhappy
I think there may actually be something to the 'string puller' theory. It seems that Abel's dream was intended to serve as a reminder to NOT become like his father, i.e., letting his ego/ foolish pride accidentally bring harm to someone. The only one I can point to at the moment would be Mab, hence Pip as the antagonist. But beyond a passing reference to her 'plan' (http://missmab.com/Comics/Vol_847.php), I can't find much evidence of a connection.
Maybe it has something to do with the fact that Abel is a halfbreed. He is half Being half Cubi so maybe something somewhere can access his Being part of him and force a dream. Awesome dream sequence ending btw. I like the word balloons' colors and highlighting.
Hmm...I wonder what the changing voice means.
Quote from: Lucheek on March 14, 2010, 11:22:10 AM
Hmm...I wonder what the changing voice means.
Pip's going through puberty. Next: chest hairs.
Quote from: Bjalf on March 14, 2010, 11:26:17 AM
Quote from: Lucheek on March 14, 2010, 11:22:10 AM
Hmm...I wonder what the changing voice means.
Pip's going through puberty. Next: chest hairs.
naw
he'll sprout legs first. >:3
Quote from: Jasonrevall on March 14, 2010, 10:39:00 AM
Maybe it has something to do with the fact that Abel is a halfbreed. He is half Being half Cubi so maybe something somewhere can access his Being part of him and force a dream. Awesome dream sequence ending btw. I like the word balloons' colors and highlighting.
Except, of course, that there is no such thing as a half-breed Cubi. It is an "All or Nothing" sort of deal.
Quote from: Siarnaq on March 14, 2010, 08:11:37 AM
I have a feeling spotty has a birthday coming up.
And it will be hellish for him, as has been everything else. Especially if Aniz shows up without an improved attitude.*
*If he's not dead.
Actually, it might be worse still if he DID show up with an improved attitude. :mwaha
This could be just me trying to make 2+2=fish but, the color change of some of the text vs. Seme's clan symbol color and background (http://www.missmab.com/Demo/Leader04.php), the actual "title" of the Seme clan, and the relation between Seme and Siar seem a bit convenient to me after this comic.
Ooo, that was a really good twist, Amber. I'm very curious as to how he was able to dream. I wonder if someone who is powerful enough is able to make cubi who aren't supposed to be able to dream, dream?
Ooh, dream-Pip #1 got beheaded. Nice touch.
Looking forward to seeing where this is going.
I'm thinking it is just Abel's subconscious. A manipulator would have to know both where Abel is and that his last name is Rewanz. Now, there are a couple possibilities for that. Fa'alina has the needed knowledge, but it's not really her style. Destania seems focused on other matters. And Kria (does Kria know where he is?) doesn't seem to be one to put Abel through this.
Uhhhhh, riiiiiiiight...
Well, if I recall correctly someone suggested Abel was dreaming. To that person, kudos!
And it seems that we were right when we thought Abel was going to have one of those "I've become my father moments."
One thing Abel said bothers me though. Abel said that Cubi lose the ability to dream. However, didn't Cyra say that Destania had given up the ability to dream in her conversation with Dan? And on that note, how much of this night was a dream for Abel?
Pip's grin in the second to last panel...
Wow... I thought the Cheshire Cat's was nerve racking.
Also, Abel is really young for a cubi. If they gradually lose their ability to dream, maybe he just hasn't finished with that part yet. But thought he had, since it's been 100 years or something.
not sure if this has been suggested yet but I feel as if that whoever the cubi is who is messing with Abel's dream is either from Seme's clan or more likely the Kish'ta Clan
Quote from: Zaejue on March 14, 2010, 12:38:11 PM
not sure if this has been suggested yet but I feel as if that whoever the cubi is who is messing with Abel's dream is either from Seme's clan or more likely the Kish'ta Clan
If it's Seme clan, it could easily be a recruiting drive. However I do have to wonder if it's Mab or one of her colleagues.
Quote from: Dekari on March 14, 2010, 11:53:02 AM
This could be just me trying to make 2+2=fish but, the color change of some of the text vs. Seme's clan symbol color and background (http://www.missmab.com/Demo/Leader04.php), the actual "title" of the Seme clan, and the relation between Seme and Siar seem a bit convenient to me after this comic.
How can 2+2=Fish if 1+1=Swordfish?
http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_1071.php
Quote from: starcat5 on March 14, 2010, 11:37:30 AM
Quote from: Jasonrevall on March 14, 2010, 10:39:00 AM
Maybe it has something to do with the fact that Abel is a halfbreed. He is half Being half Cubi so maybe something somewhere can access his Being part of him and force a dream. Awesome dream sequence ending btw. I like the word balloons' colors and highlighting.
Except, of course, that there is no such thing as a half-breed Cubi. It is an "All or Nothing" sort of deal.
Oh yeah, well it was just speculation anyway. Thanks for that though. Heh that makes me think of Cubi as a zombie virus, it consumes anything and makes it one of them! Not that there's anything wrong with being a zombie, unless your the mindless flesh eating ones.
Quote from: Jasonrevall on March 14, 2010, 12:52:25 PM
Quote from: starcat5 on March 14, 2010, 11:37:30 AM
Quote from: Jasonrevall on March 14, 2010, 10:39:00 AM
Maybe it has something to do with the fact that Abel is a halfbreed. He is half Being half Cubi so maybe something somewhere can access his Being part of him and force a dream. Awesome dream sequence ending btw. I like the word balloons' colors and highlighting.
Except, of course, that there is no such thing as a half-breed Cubi. It is an "All or Nothing" sort of deal.
Oh yeah, well it was just speculation anyway. Thanks for that though. Heh that makes me think of Cubi as a zombie virus, it consumes anything and makes it one of them! Not that there's anything wrong with being a zombie, unless your the mindless flesh eating ones.
yeah but I think you wouldn't care being a mindless flesh eater if you are in fact mindless
Quote from: Trazz on March 14, 2010, 12:47:33 PM
Quote from: Dekari on March 14, 2010, 11:53:02 AM
This could be just me trying to make 2+2=fish but, the color change of some of the text vs. Seme's clan symbol color and background (http://www.missmab.com/Demo/Leader04.php), the actual "title" of the Seme clan, and the relation between Seme and Siar seem a bit convenient to me after this comic.
How can 2+2=Fish if 1+1=Swordfish?
http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_1071.php
Easy when Sword= (1/2)
Which makes some sense as you use them to cut stuff in half
Quote from: danman on March 14, 2010, 12:57:01 PM
Quote from: Trazz on March 14, 2010, 12:47:33 PM
Quote from: Dekari on March 14, 2010, 11:53:02 AM
This could be just me trying to make 2+2=fish but, the color change of some of the text vs. Seme's clan symbol color and background (http://www.missmab.com/Demo/Leader04.php), the actual "title" of the Seme clan, and the relation between Seme and Siar seem a bit convenient to me after this comic.
How can 2+2=Fish if 1+1=Swordfish?
http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_1071.php
Easy when Sword= (1/2)
Which makes some sense as you use them to cut stuff in half
You know math? o.o HEATHEN!
One of the first things I started wondering when I saw this was when exactly Abel fell asleep. Then when I was reading through the previous pages again, I noticed that his bandage disappears from here on (http://missmab.com/Comics/Vol_1091.php)... which I realized might be an indication that it was somewhere between here and the previous page that he fell asleep? Either that or Alexsi coming back (http://missmab.com/Comics/Vol_1090.php) was part of the dream as well, and his subconscious forgot about the bandage at some point...
Or maybe I'm just reading into it too much. XD At any rate, I'm convinced that his falling asleep was sometime after talking to Wildy (http://missmab.com/Comics/Vol_1086.php), considering the tidbit at the end of that page where Wildy is by herself.
Quote from: Pvblivs on March 14, 2010, 12:18:43 PM
I'm thinking it is just Abel's subconscious. A manipulator would have to know both where Abel is and that his last name is Rewanz. Now, there are a couple possibilities for that. Fa'alina has the needed knowledge, but it's not really her style. Destania seems focused on other matters. And Kria (does Kria know where he is?) doesn't seem to be one to put Abel through this.
But they also have to know about Pip and Mab to some extent. That limits it to Alberion, Mab, Pip and Rose. Unless she's told Fa'Lina I doubt it's her.
The way the highlighting is done for 'I told you, (I knew something you did)n't.' is a horrible, horrible tease. Also, if I may say... What a tweest!
I guess it's best to lay off the late snackage Abel :3
Quote from: Keaton the Black Jackal on March 14, 2010, 08:16:05 AM
Oh hello Hennya's head. It's good to see you again.
Har, har!
The clinical term for the part of your subconcious we may be seeing here is the "super-ego." It beats you up, tells you that you are doing things badly, and actively creates new ways to control you. I say "may be" because we've already seen how Cubi can intrude and control other's dreams in Furrae, plus we've seen Pip possibly talking in common to Mab.
Who was it that posted that they thought it was a dream 'cause they NAILED IT!
(http://zeldagal112.dragonadopters.com/dragonanimated_393267.gif) (http://zeldagal112.dragonadopters.com/dragon_393267) (http://zeldagal112.dragonadopters.com/dragonanimated_360617.gif) (http://zeldagal112.dragonadopters.com/dragon_360617)
Hmm...
In his dialogue, Dream!Pip's line "I knew something you did" is inverted.
It makes me wonder if Abel's hiding something that happened.
Hurray Amber.
I see what you did thar >:3
I do not think anyone has suggested this:
What if someone snuck up and cast a spell to force Abel asleep, just to do this and send a message?
It could fit because:
1: Abel would not realise he fell asleep (and thus would still wake up surprised at being asleep/dreaming).
2: It would allow someone to force a 'dream' on him that they are controlling to mess with his head and/or send a message.
3: If this is true, they can not be evil (or have a larger plan in mind) because they put him to bed. Alternatively, Alexi came back and saw Abel asleep, face-down, at the counter and tucked him into his bed.
The only downside to this theory is that he is shirtless in that last panel, meaning he probably went to bed himself. Unless someone wanted to see a shirtless Abel after putting him asleep and and messing with his head. *Cough*
Ack, as soon as I saw a headless Pip I freaked, but when I saw the "Dream" come on it's like "oooh, Pip is okay?" BUT! I have to lean on the idea of either a manipulative Cubi, or on of the Fae. (I dunno why a Fae would be after Abel though.) Or Maybe Abel just needs a break. ALSO. Read Pip's yellow words one after the other.
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Father Son?
Monster
Fear
I knew something you did
Nothing
Dreaming
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:U C'mon let it be tomorow already!! I wanna see how this wraps up!! :smack
Quote from: Professor Fate on March 14, 2010, 03:04:22 PM
:U C'mon let it be tomorow already!! I wanna see how this wraps up!! :smack
Yeah. However, I think tomorrow is Abel's Story, so we may have to wait until Friday...
Quote from: Tapewolf on March 14, 2010, 03:10:51 PM
Quote from: Professor Fate on March 14, 2010, 03:04:22 PM
:U C'mon let it be tomorow already!! I wanna see how this wraps up!! :smack
Yeah. However, I think tomorrow is Abel's Story, so we may have to wait until Friday...
About time. I want to see Abel's Reaction to what Mink said :3
Quote from: nicoreon the tyrannical on March 14, 2010, 05:09:33 AM
I have a strange feeling that this is not the last we have seen of dream Pip.
It's odd but as soon as I saw that I started to wonder if Pip might be Abels Six.
He'll be doing something a nd pip will start whispering to him. he panics looking around and no one else can see pip... hell there is another pip sitting at the end of the bar
for those who don't know thats a battle star galactica referance
Quote from: Lucheek on March 14, 2010, 11:22:10 AM
Hmm...I wonder what the changing voice means.
maybe its simply to show there is more to pip then we thought...
it puts me in mind of this
http://www.missmab.com/Demo/Cubi04.php
Well played Amber, well played. :)
Quote from: Professor Fate on March 14, 2010, 03:04:22 PM
:U C'mon let it be tomorow already!! I wanna see how this wraps up!! :smack
Well, I don't want this to wrap up! :poke
Quote from: PetFriendAmy on March 14, 2010, 01:03:29 PM
One of the first things I started wondering when I saw this was when exactly Abel fell asleep. Then when I was reading through the previous pages again, I noticed that his bandage disappears from here on (http://missmab.com/Comics/Vol_1091.php)... which I realized might be an indication that it was somewhere between here and the previous page that he fell asleep? Either that or Alexsi coming back (http://missmab.com/Comics/Vol_1090.php) was part of the dream as well, and his subconscious forgot about the bandage at some point...
Or maybe I'm just reading into it too much. XD At any rate, I'm convinced that his falling asleep was sometime after talking to Wildy (http://missmab.com/Comics/Vol_1086.php), considering the tidbit at the end of that page where Wildy is by herself.
When did he get the injury that caused the bandage anyway?
i flipped back a bit and i didnt see anything besides talking to Wildy and Genesis....
btw,
Quote from: Akisohida on March 14, 2010, 02:46:06 PM
I do not think anyone has suggested this:
What if someone snuck up and cast a spell to force Abel asleep, just to do this and send a message?
heh, someboy just knocked him out and now he's got a brain injury so he can dream again :P
Quote from: psilorder on March 14, 2010, 04:36:18 PM
When did he get the injury that caused the bandage anyway?
According to what wasn't said, Genesis clocked him one when he said she wasn't pretty, off-stage.
http://missmab.com/Comics/Vol_1081.php
See? Panel 1.
Quote from: Tapewolf on March 14, 2010, 03:10:51 PM
Quote from: Professor Fate on March 14, 2010, 03:04:22 PM
:U C'mon let it be tomorow already!! I wanna see how this wraps up!! :smack
Yeah. However, I think tomorrow is Abel's Story, so we may have to wait until Friday...
Oh crud that's right!!!! Darn you Ammmberrrz!!!! :U
Oh well time to look forward to our squiggly Mink! :3
Hard to say who could be causing Abel's dreams, but I have a hunch it's a cubi. Also, just to add my two cents: keep in mind that the tentacle heads for Cyra clan are draconic. This probably means nothing, but you never know.
As far as who might be messing with Abel's dreams for what purpose, I don't see exactly what they want to accomplish. The purpose is to get Abel to do what, exactly? Reach out to friends? Leave Lost Lake? Weaken his resolve? Enter a brownie contest with Mab?
Whoever did this (assuming it's not just Abel's own Super-ego) already knew a bunch about Abel. Don't think they learned anything new.
Also, one thing to consider. Abel has had his mind shields up continuously since shortly after he first arrived at the academy. I don't think sleeping would cause those shields to fall or weaken. So who would have the power to break through them?
Quote from: jeffh4 on March 14, 2010, 05:39:31 PM
Also, one thing to consider. Abel has had his mind shields up continuously since shortly after he first arrived at the academy. I don't think sleeping would cause those shields to fall or weaken. So who would have the power to break through them?
Quite possibly Pyroduck, particularly if we assume that Pip was just an avatar and the real one had little to do with it. Both he and Destania were in the Twink Territories for a time, and it's reasonably safe to assume that she knew he (Pyro) was there - Fa'Lina may have warned her to leave him alone..?
And of course, Destania would know most of this stuff about Abel and his weaknesses.
Quote from: Tapewolf on March 14, 2010, 05:51:17 PM
Both he and Destania were in the Twink Territories for a time, and it's reasonably safe to assume that she knew he (Pyro) was there - Fa'Lina may have warned her to leave him alone..?
And as a sign to other cubi to leave him alone, Ducky wears a feather from Destania in his braid.
Quote from: Professor Fate on March 14, 2010, 03:04:22 PM
Ack, as soon as I saw a headless Pip I freaked, but when I saw the "Dream" come on it's like "oooh, Pip is okay?" BUT! I have to lean on the idea of either a manipulative Cubi, or on of the Fae. (I dunno why a Fae would be after Abel though.) Or Maybe Abel just needs a break. ALSO. Read Pip's yellow words one after the other.
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Father Son?
Monster
Fear
I knew something you did
Nothing
Dreaming
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My guess to this riddle!
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Father Aniz
Son Abel
Monster Hennya (pink serpent look a like "mythos")
Fear Blood
I knew You
Something you did To me
Nothing Is wanted
Dreaming Arcane
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This gives some more vocals! Hhmmmmm...........
Now we need to find someting that makes sence of this!
Quote from: Keklily on March 14, 2010, 06:18:03 PM
My guess to this riddle!
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Father Aniz
Son Abel
Monster Hennya (pink serpent look a like "mythos")
Fear Blood
I knew You
Something you did To me
Nothing Is wanted
Dreaming Arcane
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This gives some more vocals! Hhmmmmm...........
Now we need to find someting that makes sence of this!
Hm... Maybe the Monster refers the cubi shapeshifting? Abel really hates that. *shrug*
Quote from: Akisohida on March 14, 2010, 10:00:12 AM
Quote from: Feather Dancer on March 14, 2010, 05:01:19 AMOh they can dream they just lose the ability to, presumably a chunk before they lose any reasoning to sleep. Cyra mentioned herself that Dee lost the ability to dream which is why she was so ecstatic about Dan. I suspect Abel's own subconscious roll has meant he himself has not dreamed in a VERY long time. Perhaps since the Dead!Devin incident?
If they lose the ability to dream, how can they dream? That's like saying 'He lost the ability to use his right arm..but can use it.' or 'He lost the ability to talk, but can sing'. or 'He lost the ability to walk, but can run.'
This has to be someone messing with Abel. Is his father back? Dun dun DUUUUNNN!
[Cubi as a group] can dream [individual cubi] just lose the ability to. It's more like saying "AJ lost the ability to use his right arm... but humans can use their right arms".
Quote from: Bjalf on March 14, 2010, 06:14:26 PM
Quote from: Tapewolf on March 14, 2010, 05:51:17 PM
Both he and Destania were in the Twink Territories for a time, and it's reasonably safe to assume that she knew he (Pyro) was there - Fa'Lina may have warned her to leave him alone..?
And as a sign to other cubi to leave him alone, Ducky wears a feather from Destania in his braid.
Arent Destania and Biggs planing to eradicate the dragon race tho? wouldnt that include Pyroduck? Wasnt it implied somewhere that Alexsi dating Pyroduck would cause a problem because of the plan? as in Destania doesnt know any reason to spare him? (beyond the relationship when she larns of it)
Quote from: psilorder on March 14, 2010, 08:08:10 PM
Quote from: Bjalf on March 14, 2010, 06:14:26 PM
Quote from: Tapewolf on March 14, 2010, 05:51:17 PM
Both he and Destania were in the Twink Territories for a time, and it's reasonably safe to assume that she knew he (Pyro) was there - Fa'Lina may have warned her to leave him alone..?
And as a sign to other cubi to leave him alone, Ducky wears a feather from Destania in his braid.
Arent Destania and Biggs planing to eradicate the dragon race tho? wouldnt that include Pyroduck? Wasnt it implied somewhere that Alexsi dating Pyroduck would cause a problem because of the plan? as in Destania doesnt know any reason to spare him? (beyond the relationship when she larns of it)
Who says he is not a part of the plan by Fa'Lina? It would just be golden to get the dragons purged using one of them in the process...
Wait... huh? When did this become Abel's dream? The whole time he was supposedly manning the bar plus all the dates? I'm confused. :confused
Quote from: psilorder on March 14, 2010, 08:08:10 PM
Arent Destania and Biggs planing to eradicate the dragon race tho? wouldnt that include Pyroduck?
Yes, but Pyro might not know that. However, with Destania at the heart of Biggs' empire and exposed to all the intelligence his men will pick up, I find it hard to believe that she was unaware of his presence.
QuoteWasnt it implied somewhere that Alexsi dating Pyroduck would cause a problem because of the plan?
In the subtitle at the bottom of the page. Also, if Fa'Lina has marked him as protected, she might not be able to kill him without Fa'Lina eating her, but it doesn't mean she'd necessarily want him as an in-law.
Quoteas in Destania doesnt know any reason to spare him? (beyond the relationship when she larns of it)
It's a fairly safe bet that Fa'Lina has now set Abel straight and told him not kill Pyroduck anymore. Particularly given Destania's propensity for killing dragons, she was presumably warned not to kill Pyroduck either, and probably given a more sensible description. I can imagine Fa'Lina being less than restrained if Destania did kill him.
Destania's Grand Plan is another matter, though we don't really know it involves killing the dragons - it might simply be some form of banishment or trapping them in the hypothetical Dragon Kingdom. And of course, Fa'Lina might not know much about it either.
Quote from: Zedd on March 14, 2010, 01:36:20 PM
I guess it's best to lay off the late snackage Abel :3
Or at the very least lay off the Thai food (http://clanofthecats.com/cotc/cotc-melpomene-5/) =^-^=
Quote from: Professor Fate on March 14, 2010, 06:35:00 PM
Quote from: Keklily on March 14, 2010, 06:18:03 PM
My guess to this riddle!
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Father Aniz
Son Abel
Monster Hennya (pink serpent look a like "mythos")
Fear Blood
I knew You
Something you did To me
Nothing Is wanted
Dreaming Arcane
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This gives some more vocals! Hhmmmmm...........
Now we need to find someting that makes sence of this!
Hm... Maybe the Monster refers the cubi shapeshifting? Abel really hates that. *shrug*
The father/son comment (complemented with Abel's expression) seems to show how Abel detests his father.
The monster comment seems to be referring to the Cubi race. Specifically, the image of the stereotypical "soul-stealing, spine-ripping" Cubi.
The fear is becoming that very image. Abel's father didn't really leave a good impression on Abel about how Cubi act around and treat others.
Something hit me while looking at this particular comic. In the fourth panel, Pip's says: "I knew something you did nothing dreaming."
What if it's said like this? "I knew something. You did nothing dreaming."
Maybe "Pip" is making a comment about how Abel thought he could just alienate himself from others, hoping that would be the end of his suffering. Maybe making a reference to May?
What I really want to know is if this is Pip, as in Mab's companion. Or could this... whoever/whatever be someone or something else?
Quote from: RandomMetaphysics on March 14, 2010, 10:58:03 PM
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What if it's said "I knew something. You did nothing dreaming."
Maybe "Pip" is making a comment about how Abel thought he could just alienate himself from others, hoping that would be the end of his suffering. Maybe making a reference to May?
What I really want to know is if this is Pip, as in Mab's companion. Or could this... whoever/whatever be someone or something else?
Actually to this, it might be his mind teasing him, that well, he did nothing in all of the decisive moments he encountered - from when he was a kid until lastly when dan was fighting (although not being his fault)
and all the time he is just dreaming that he might actually take action ..... and he is useless incapable etc.
But i think, all in all this is seeing a little too much into it - the marked emphasis might just be there for speaking effect
Quote from: Professor Fate on March 14, 2010, 03:04:22 PM
Or Maybe Abel just needs a break.
Or maybe he needs to be broken before he can be put back together again, like a broken bone that's knit improperly.
Quote from: Anri on March 14, 2010, 11:35:14 PM
Quote from: Professor Fate on March 14, 2010, 03:04:22 PM
Or Maybe Abel just needs a break.
Or maybe he needs to be broken before he can be put back together again, like a broken bone that's knit improperly.
some people break like glass. When they break, they will never be remade the same way again.
Quote from: Jasonrevall on March 15, 2010, 12:03:53 AM
Quote from: Anri on March 14, 2010, 11:35:14 PM
Quote from: Professor Fate on March 14, 2010, 03:04:22 PM
Or Maybe Abel just needs a break.
Or maybe he needs to be broken before he can be put back together again, like a broken bone that's knit improperly.
some people break like glass. When they break, they will never be remade the same way again.
Some people break like plutonium nuclei.
Like the above, but property and lives can be lost when it happens
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I can think of no other time when this emoticon has seemed so appropriate. :mwaha
(By the way, that was fabulous.)
Quote from: Baal Hadad on March 14, 2010, 04:49:57 AM
It's official. DMFA and Abel's Story are no longer two separate comics.
I never thought of it as two separate comics. And this was quite unexpected.