Okay, so we've got all this speculation about what it takes to ascend to tri-wing, etc... But... what's really the result? Just having super huge amounts of magical energy available? Or is it more than that? How deep are the changes, etc?
Anyways, a possibly silly thought but was just wondering that.
This may well be wrong/has changed since, but my understanding (i.e. educated guess) is that it has at least the following benefits:
1. Immortality
2. Apparently generating your own energy, i.e. you would not need to eat, absorb emotions or consume souls in order to stay alive. This is presumably the cause of (1)
3. Generating so much surplus energy that it spills out into your own clan members and descendants, increasing their own powers
4. (Optionally?) creating your own clan
5. Getting those snazzy heads on your clan's wing-tentacles
6. Becoming a seriously powerful force in your own right. AFAIK you're pretty much top of the food chain at that point. By and large you'd only have to worry about other Tri-wings (or other very powerful 'Cubi), Dragons and Fae.
7. Becoming less vulnerable to conventional attacks. Demonology says that 'Cubi are vulnerable to "normal damage" (i.e. something that would kill a Being or a human) until they reach a certain power level. I suspect that's referring to tri-wings (though it may not be).
Disadvantages would seem to be:
1. Extremely hard to do - mass soul-murder seems to be the best approach
2. Supposedly extremely dangerous and risky to pull off, a 6-12% chance of success has been mentioned, though that may not necessarily be the case anymore. Failure results in death, quite possibly taking your soul out too
3. Becoming less mortal and more ethereal is presumably the cause of sterility in tri-winged clan leaders.
4. Attracting the attention of Dragons/Fae/Other 'Cubi who don't want any competition
Immortality could be seen as a draw back, as could being mentally linked to your entire clan. I suppose cubi would be quite used to the problems associated with lack of bio rhythms (eat, sleep etc) but these would be worst as a tri wing leader, you could get distracted and decades go by.
Tapewolf: 6 and 7 on your list could be simply consequences of the rest, right?
But basically, "really huge amount of power/generating power" (and stuff related to being linked to/head of a clan) are the primary things, with everything else pretty much being just a consequence of those?
(I'd been mainly viewing it that way, but was now thinking/wondering if maybe there was more to it than that)
This does make me wonder what Fa'Lina did to achieve Tri-Wing status. I suspect that's a story we will never hear, unless it's through fan-fiction, or Amber keeps up the comic for another 45 years.
Quote from: Psy-Kosh on February 14, 2010, 06:47:57 PM
Tapewolf: 6 and 7 on your list could be simply consequences of the rest, right?
6, yes, 7 less so. 'Cubi tend to become less mortal and more magical as they increase in power. Normal 'Cubi no longer need to eat, drink or ultimately breathe. If they can enter a state where being shot through the head is no longer enough to kill them, I'd say it was a result of the ascension rather than a side-effect of generating more power than usual.
QuoteBut basically, "really huge amount of power/generating power" (and stuff related to being linked to/head of a clan) are the primary things, with everything else pretty much being just a consequence of those?
Again, I'd argue that being immune to bullets (if indeed that happens) is another primary thing, rather than a consequence of power generation, but pretty much, yeah.
And of course, there may be more things that we don't know about.
Quote from: Tapewolf on February 14, 2010, 05:30:46 PM
This may well be wrong/has changed since, but my understanding (i.e. educated guess) is that it has at least the following benefits:
1. Immortality
Cubi are not immortal. Otherwise Zezzuva wouldn't of been able to axe her former clan leader and take her place.
Unless you are referring to the term ageless. Where they do not die due to old age.
They can certainly still be killed, albeit harder to do so.
Quote from: Drathorin on February 14, 2010, 07:32:29 PM
Cubi are not immortal. Otherwise Zezzuva wouldn't of been able to axe her former clan leader and take her place.
Unless you are referring to the term ageless. Where they do not die due to old age.
They can certainly still be killed, albeit harder to do so.
Immortal does not imply invulnerable. Not where I'm from, anyway. If you prefer the term 'ageless', then yes.
EDIT:
Though you touch on an interesting point. If tri-wings are almost invulnerable to conventional attacks, it's likely that removing their soul is one of the only ways to be sure to kill them. This is pure speculation, of course.
Quote from: Tapewolf on February 14, 2010, 07:40:34 PM
Quote from: Drathorin on February 14, 2010, 07:32:29 PM
Cubi are not immortal. Otherwise Zezzuva wouldn't of been able to axe her former clan leader and take her place.
Unless you are referring to the term ageless. Where they do not die due to old age.
They can certainly still be killed, albeit harder to do so.
Immortal does not imply invulnerable. Not where I'm from, anyway. If you prefer the term 'ageless', then yes.
EDIT:
Though you touch on an interesting point. If tri-wings are almost invulnerable to conventional attacks, it's likely that removing their soul is one of the only ways to be sure to kill them. This is pure speculation, of course.
I agree with that reasoning of Immortality. A good example would be one of my characters (Slate), he's died before, but has come right back up, been shot at, etc. (Some of you are probably thinking regeneration, right now but there's a difference, if his arm gets cut off he has to reattach it, he can't grow a new one as an example.) Most fun I had was writing the scene where he gets.......ah....."beating the snot" >:3 out of him for non-consensually :censored the president's son! *smiles at the remembrance of that scene* :mwaha
Quote from: Tapewolf on February 14, 2010, 07:40:34 PM
it's likely that removing their soul is one of the only ways to be sure to kill them.
I'm pretty sure that'll work for any type of living/sentient creature.
'Immortal' literally means unable to die. Not necessarily invulnerable (you may hurt an immortal entity, just not kill him/her/it). So I guess tri-wings are not immortal. Just VERY hard to kill.
Well, by the strictest sense immortal is 'impossible to kill', though most people break down immortality into several categories, unaging, invulnerable, and true immortal. Unfortunately, most people just use immortal interchangeably, causing confusion.
It is, however, important to note that this does not mean that something that is immortal is perpetual. After all, what does it mean to kill something? Did you truly kill it if it never existed at all? There are techniques for... removing things from space/time such that they never existed... *wiping off hands*.
Every dictionary you check will have varying definitions of the term 'immortal', but the most accepted variant pertains to a being which is incapable of dying via natural causes. Which basically boils down to unless someone offs them, they go on and on forever.
'Course, we'd have to look up Amber's definition of immortal to be clear. ^_^
See, problem is that dictionaries are a type of book. More specifically, a type of book that is full of lies. Really, look it up in the dictionary. Does it admit that it is full of lies? No? Then clearly it is lying, and subsequently full of lies.
Still, back on the topic of ascension, I'm curious if there can only be one triwing per clan. Well, politically I would say no and one would kill the other, but is it possible? This also raises questions regarding the matter of creating new clans. Is that just impossible, or can a triwing forsake her old clan and start a new one? Or do 'cubi create a new clan and then someone eventually becomes a triwing? So many questions, and yet I doubt any of them actually has answers :3
I think what Amber is trying to get at with immortality, is that most standard methods of your life ending naturally do not apply. they do not need to eat, normal diseases do not affect them, they do not age. Their resiliance to damage/magic/harm is likely a side effect of whatever they had to do to become Tri wing in the first place. This doesn't mean that they cannot die, it just means that it will take some doing.
Heh... All immortal really means is that you need an "immortal" weapon to kill it. Plus, it depends on if Tri-Wings are etheral or not. (And judging by how easily Fa'lina smacks people around, I'm assuming that's NOT the case. But, we've seen fae take spears through the chest and forget that they're there. So, who the frig knows?)
And last I checked, vampires are supposedly immortal, but remove their head and PRESTO! They're dead! (Erm, again...) Or, take away enough of their life and/or magical essence, and without the energy needed to keep themselves alive, they'll die that way too.
On the other hand, insane amounts of magical power can make it difficult to approach the subject, and the ability to forsee their next attack makes things even worse. Plus, those wings are made out of some pretty strong stuff, and they shapeshift at will, making them some of the best armor/weapons in all of the furrae-verse. So yes, if you want to kill a tri-wing, the odds are NOT in your favor.
Conversely, if one had a spell or ability that lets them suck out their target's own magical essence, it might even the odds. If one could create small portals kinda like the game Portal, one could also divert attacks right back to the aggressor. (Imagine trying to stab your foe, only for a portal to open in front of your sword, with a second opening right in front of your chest. Yeah, PAINFUL.) Plus, how well/quickly do they heal? Remember that it looks like there's few guns in Amber's world here, and most of those have been made by Jyrras. Heck, if their skin has the density of some metals, low-caliber bullets might lack the punching power to pierce them and hit an organ. (Hmmm... Kevlar skin... Interesting concept...)
One thing I'd like to know is what 'immune to normal damage' means in this context.
Obviously we can gather what will not hurt them, such as normal damage delivered via normal means, (i.e. being stabbity with a sword.)
But what will hurt them? Normal damage delivered via extraordinary means? (i.e. being stabbity with an enchanted sword.) Or extraordinary damage delivered via 'normal' means? (i.e being stabbity with the Chrysler Building.) :U
Quote from: Les on February 15, 2010, 02:42:18 AM
One thing I'd like to know is what 'immune to normal damage' means in this context.
Obviously we can gather what will not hurt them, such as normal damage delivered via normal means, (i.e. being stabbity with a sword.)
But what will hurt them? Normal damage delivered via extraordinary means? (i.e. being stabbity with an enchanted sword.) Or extraordinary damage delivered via 'normal' means? (i.e being stabbity with the Chrysler Building.) :U
Wow, I didn't know the Chrysler Building could be used as a sword............ :erk.................you learn something new everyday! :3
Quote from: Mrs_A_ZeTavia on February 15, 2010, 02:45:59 AM
Wow, I didn't know the Chrysler Building could be used as a sword............ :erk
Ordinarily no, which is why it's so Extraordinary when you hit somebody with it. >:3
Immortality is in the grasp of those who play their cards right.
...Go fish.
Quote from: Mao Laoren on February 15, 2010, 12:12:26 PM
...Go fish.
I fished..................didn't find any immmortality though, maybe I need better bait..... :confused
Quote from: Les on February 15, 2010, 03:11:46 AM
Quote from: Mrs_A_ZeTavia on February 15, 2010, 02:45:59 AM
Wow, I didn't know the Chrysler Building could be used as a sword............ :erk
Ordinarily no, which is why it's so Extraordinary when you hit somebody with it. >:3
Epic Awesomeness!!! X3
Maybe it's a game of blackjack.. or poker. Those are fun. Maybe Uno....
Watch it be a Magic game; me and my deck made of $0.05 cards.
Quote from: Les on February 15, 2010, 03:11:46 AM
Quote from: Mrs_A_ZeTavia on February 15, 2010, 02:45:59 AM
Wow, I didn't know the Chrysler Building could be used as a sword............ :erk
Ordinarily no, which is why it's so Extraordinary when you hit somebody with it. >:3
That... ummm... Why the Chrysler building? I'm sure there's even more pointy death buildings you can use... like the space needle! :mowhappy
Quote from: Mao Laoren on February 15, 2010, 01:37:57 PM
Maybe it's a game of blackjack.. or poker. Those are fun. Maybe Uno....
*Plays a Wild Draw 4*
I call blue, so draw Mao, draw. Oh, and UNO.
Quote from: Les on February 15, 2010, 02:42:18 AM
One thing I'd like to know is what 'immune to normal damage' means in this context.
Obviously we can gather what will not hurt them, such as normal damage delivered via normal means, (i.e. being stabbity with a sword.)
But what will hurt them? Normal damage delivered via extraordinary means? (i.e. being stabbity with an enchanted sword.) Or extraordinary damage delivered via 'normal' means? (i.e being stabbity with the Chrysler Building.) :U
The Chrysler Building is still "normal" damage, it's just a
LOT of it.
You need some sort of supernatural effect to kill such a creature. Whether it be nukes that do damage to souls above and beyond what they do to bodies, wipe out the capabilty to enact or engage in heirarchies from every thing in existence, or just find the dagger whose fate it is to slay your target...
Or you can just stabbity with a +5 Sword of Snickersnack.
Hmmm... I wonder if a Death Note would still work here...
Heck, I wonder how well Jehuty would stand up to some of these creatures...
Ooooooh! How 'bout diseases?! Ya know, those kind that slowly suck out the life essence from your body?
How 'bout leeches? Giant spiders? (Yes, a little hard to live when your organs are being digested while you're still alive...) Drowning? Instant-death magic? Whoops, that only has a high success rate on PROTAGONISTS, it never works on major bosses/villians.
Quote from: Mao Laoren on February 15, 2010, 12:12:26 PM
...Go fish.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v625/Turnsky/Sketches/cubithaelithbattlesketch.jpg)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v625/Turnsky/Sketches/cubithaelithbattlesketch.jpg
Quote from: Shachza on February 15, 2010, 04:52:57 PM
Quote from: Les on February 15, 2010, 02:42:18 AM
One thing I'd like to know is what 'immune to normal damage' means in this context.
Obviously we can gather what will not hurt them, such as normal damage delivered via normal means, (i.e. being stabbity with a sword.)
But what will hurt them? Normal damage delivered via extraordinary means? (i.e. being stabbity with an enchanted sword.) Or extraordinary damage delivered via 'normal' means? (i.e being stabbity with the Chrysler Building.) :U
The Chrysler Building is still "normal" damage, it's just a LOT of it.
You need some sort of supernatural effect to kill such a creature. Whether it be nukes that do damage to souls above and beyond what they do to bodies, wipe out the capabilty to enact or engage in heirarchies from every thing in existence, or just find the dagger whose fate it is to slay your target...
Or you can just stabbity with a +5 Sword of Snickersnack.
Maybe, but I'd like to get some more info on that. After all, "Protection from
Normal Missiles" IIRC could be circumvented by using +1 arrows, or by throwing Boulders at the target. :P
So what happens when, say....
[Being] "I shoots you with the Gun!"
[Tri-Wing Cubi] "Ha-ha, that tickles."
[Being] "I shoots you with the magic bows and arrows!"
[TWC] "OW! Hey!"
[Being] "I shoots you with the Bazooka!"
[TWC] "N-now, now just wait a minute here... *BOOM!* Owwwww..."
If you are willing to risk getting lost in the maze of fascinating information that is TVTropes, here is their article on Immortality (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/Immortality). They identify ten different types, including "the author won't kill the character off".
Quote from: Mrs_A_ZeTavia on February 15, 2010, 12:54:01 PM
Quote from: Mao Laoren on February 15, 2010, 12:12:26 PM
...Go fish.
I fished..................didn't find any immmortality though, maybe I need better bait..... :confused
I hear virgins, princesses or even virgin princesses are good bait. :)
It's totally discrimination against the
boys Princes though, but I guess villains don't worry about that.
Quote from: Drathorin on February 14, 2010, 08:17:19 PM
Quote from: Tapewolf on February 14, 2010, 07:40:34 PM
it's likely that removing their soul is one of the only ways to be sure to kill them.
I'm pretty sure that'll work for any type of living/sentient creature.
I think that's what DP was trying to do to Mab (http://missmab.com/Comics/Vol_151.php). If there was ever a way to kill a Fae, taking their soul and sacrificing it to a god might be it.
Yes, especially considering that virgin males are easier to find... (*Sob, weep, sob.*) I mean, not that -I- know anything about that...
Anyway, I just had a thought... What if all ascension to Tri-Wing or leader status really needs is a portion of the individual clan members' power? Then, once they're ascended, the leader can return that some of that power to their clan members. Or, perhaps it's more of a hive-based magic storage. Since not all the cubi are using their magic at the same time, some of it gets "collected" by the Tri-Wing who then redirects it to a cubi that needs it.
Now, while this doesn't look like it explains Fa'Lina's situation, remember that she has only ever used teleport spells, and rarely at that. (Which can be easily handled by a warp-aci.)
However, what really bugs me is the fact that all those cubi in the academy feed off each others' emotions when the law of diminishing returns states that-*KRA-KA-KOW!* OHMIGOD!!! I'VE JUST KILLED A CATGIRL!!! NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!! *Drags the poor girl off before some wierdo with a necronomicon shows up...*
Quote from: Drayco84 on February 16, 2010, 11:11:28 AM
Yes, especially considering that virgin males are easier to find... (*Sob, weep, sob.*) I mean, not that -I- know anything about that...
I don't think virginity had anything to do with that ritual after all DP was planning on using Azlan (http://missmab.com/Comics/Vol_152.php) and Azlan is married (http://missmab.com/DLoads/DMFA_Wallpaper20_800.jpg).
Quote from: iceick on February 16, 2010, 11:02:07 AM
I think that's what DP was trying to do to Mab (http://missmab.com/Comics/Vol_151.php). If there was ever a way to kill a Fae, taking their soul and sacrificing it to a god might be it.
Fae don't have souls in the conventional sense, though.
Quote from: Tapewolf on February 16, 2010, 03:29:18 PM
Quote from: iceick on February 16, 2010, 11:02:07 AM
I think that's what DP was trying to do to Mab (http://missmab.com/Comics/Vol_151.php). If there was ever a way to kill a Fae, taking their soul and sacrificing it to a god might be it.
Fae don't have souls in the conventional sense, though.
You're right. They're just magical objects. Kinda like golems.
So it's totally fine to murder/maim a fae if you have acquired the means to do so. As they don't have souls.
Quote from: Drathorin on February 16, 2010, 06:08:04 PM
Quote from: Tapewolf on February 16, 2010, 03:29:18 PM
Quote from: iceick on February 16, 2010, 11:02:07 AM
I think that's what DP was trying to do to Mab (http://missmab.com/Comics/Vol_151.php). If there was ever a way to kill a Fae, taking their soul and sacrificing it to a god might be it.
Fae don't have souls in the conventional sense, though.
You're right. They're just magical objects. Kinda like golems.
So it's totally fine to murder/maim a fae if you have acquired the means to do so. As they don't have souls.
They do have a lot of power though, that might make them a target, even if they don't have a soul.
So you're saying Fae are just giant energy beings?
Time to pull a titan AE and use em to run my car engine :3
Quote from: Tapewolf on February 16, 2010, 03:29:18 PM
Fae don't have souls in the conventional sense, though.
They don't? Didn't a significant portion of one story-arc revolve specifically around Fae souls? :mowdizzy
Quote from: Drathorin on February 16, 2010, 08:30:47 PM
So you're saying Fae are just giant energy beings?
Time to pull a titan AE and use em to run my car engine :3
Why stop at your car engine?! We can do planes, other cars, etc!! >:3
Congratulations World, we have solved our fuel problem!! :mwaha
Robot Chicken did a funny/creepy bit on immortality. Seriously paraphrased here.
First the bad guy laughed at the hero: "Ha, ha, you'll never defeat me! I am immortal! I'll just keep coming back and. . ." Bad guy reduced to ash by flame weapon. Hero takes ash and snorts it. Long sequence of hero going poop. Longer sequence of poop flowing through sewage pipes. OK, guys, we get the picture.
Then there's the nightmare scenario of immortality as shown in the movie "The Hunger" and "What If" (with Ghost Rider) comics. You are immortal, but your body ages until you can't move or even breath. You're just a spirit inhabiting an immobile corpse.
Moral of the story. If you want to be immortal, you'd better make sure your body stays functional and in one piece.
Quote from: Drayco84 on February 16, 2010, 11:11:28 AM
Yes, especially considering that virgin males are easier to find... (*Sob, weep, sob.*) I mean, not that -I- know anything about that...
No such thing as a virgin male. Everybody knows that men aren't virgins. And they
especially don't get to be
my age, and have to deal with that damn movie...
Quote from: Mrs_A_ZeTavia on February 16, 2010, 10:39:27 PMQuote from: Drathorin on February 16, 2010, 08:30:47 PMSo you're saying Fae are just giant energy beings?
Time to pull a titan AE and use em to run my car engine :3
Why stop at your car engine?! We can do planes, other cars, etc!! >:3
Congratulations World, we have solved our fuel problem!! :mwaha
Well, yeah ... it's possible - But ...
When was the last time you refueled on Fae ?
Do you have any idea what it does to a car ?
I'm teling you, first the fuel fought back, that was bad enough and caused a lot of commotion at the service station!
And then, then it had a baby and made me a King of the Fae Kingdom !!!
Be really, REALLY careful of your fuel!! :D
Quote from: Anker Steadfast on February 17, 2010, 12:48:06 PM
Quote from: Mrs_A_ZeTavia on February 16, 2010, 10:39:27 PMQuote from: Drathorin on February 16, 2010, 08:30:47 PMSo you're saying Fae are just giant energy beings?
Time to pull a titan AE and use em to run my car engine :3
Why stop at your car engine?! We can do planes, other cars, etc!! >:3
Congratulations World, we have solved our fuel problem!! :mwaha
Well, yeah ... it's possible - But ...
When was the last time you refueled on Fae ?
Do you have any idea what it does to a car ?
I'm teling you, first the fuel fought back, that was bad enough and caused a lot of commotion at the service station!
And then, then it had a baby and made me a King of the Fae Kingdom !!!
Be really, REALLY careful of your fuel!! :D
Have you tried using them as an engine, much like Porky Pig did to Daffy Duck in the one Loony Tunes episode?
Quote from: LionHeart on February 17, 2010, 09:36:27 AM
Quote from: Drayco84 on February 16, 2010, 11:11:28 AM
Yes, especially considering that virgin males are easier to find... (*Sob, weep, sob.*) I mean, not that -I- know anything about that...
No such thing as a virgin male. Everybody knows that men aren't virgins. And they especially don't get to be my age, and have to deal with that damn movie...
I'm definitely a virgin, and have no intention of seeing that movie (I'm 33)
Quote from: Drayco84 on February 17, 2010, 01:56:49 PM
Quote from: Anker Steadfast on February 17, 2010, 12:48:06 PM
Quote from: Mrs_A_ZeTavia on February 16, 2010, 10:39:27 PMQuote from: Drathorin on February 16, 2010, 08:30:47 PMSo you're saying Fae are just giant energy beings?
Time to pull a titan AE and use em to run my car engine :3
Why stop at your car engine?! We can do planes, other cars, etc!! >:3
Congratulations World, we have solved our fuel problem!! :mwaha
Well, yeah ... it's possible - But ...
When was the last time you refueled on Fae ?
Do you have any idea what it does to a car ?
I'm teling you, first the fuel fought back, that was bad enough and caused a lot of commotion at the service station!
And then, then it had a baby and made me a King of the Fae Kingdom !!!
Be really, REALLY careful of your fuel!! :D
Have you tried using them as an engine, much like Porky Pig did to Daffy Duck in the one Loony Tunes episode?
Ah yes, poor Daffy.... >:3 who do think is powering my car right now.........sadly his warrenty is up and I'm looking for other options! :3
Theoretically, the Fae would be on a proverbial cycle of reincarnation than anything else. The difference being is that they choose when to go on that cycle again.
But there's still the fact that as far as been told, the only way a fae has ever died was through their own will. But what DP was trying to do was to kill a fae and trandcinding their soul, magical energie, or whatever you want to call it to the dark god.
Quote from: iceick on February 18, 2010, 02:51:40 PM
But there's still the fact that as far as been told, the only way a fae has ever died was through their own will. But what DP was trying to do was to kill a fae and trandcinding their soul, magical energie, or whatever you want to call it to the dark god.
The more we learn about the Fae the less I believe that Dark Pegasus knew what he was doing there. For all we know the Dark God is a figment of his imagination.
Could also be that the dark god is a real creature. But more in the fashion of Warhammer 40,000 Chaos gods.
Which dine on delicious delicious souls and the negative feelings of all of creation.
And no, they aren't giant Cubi.
I've contemplated this for awhile and figured I'd ask everyone here to put in their two cents or answers if they have any:
Now as far as we know or have speculated, if and when a tri-winged clan leader dies or something else occurs, we know that another in that clan can rise to tri-wing status, but does that necessarily make them the new leader? If so, does the name of the clan remain the same or is it named after the new leader? What if it has a first and last name, which one would be used or can it be called whatever the new clan leader decides?
Now keep in mind I know this was case with Seme and Divallis, but is that the case all the time? (The question that was here has been resolved! :boogie)
What do you all think? :3
If you're paying attention, Amber has said that there can be more than one tri-wing in a clan, although it's unusual.
Quote from: llearch n'n'daCorna on February 18, 2010, 06:30:43 PM
If you're paying attention, Amber has said that there can be more than one tri-wing in a clan, although it's unusual.
Sometimes I miss stuff...........:animesweat..........my bad *facepalms*
Quote from: kusanagi-sama on February 17, 2010, 08:45:09 PM
I'm definitely a virgin, and have no intention of seeing that movie (I'm 33)
Ditto... +14
Quote from: Anker Steadfast on February 16, 2010, 07:19:24 PM
They do have a lot of power though, that might make them a target, even if they don't have a soul.
They aren't bound by linear time or space which makes attacking one kinda difficult unless they let you, and I suspect that trying to steal a fae's soul is one of the few things that will cause them to break character and use their true powers.
Quote from: Kirishala on February 23, 2010, 03:56:18 PM
Quote from: Anker Steadfast on February 16, 2010, 07:19:24 PM
They do have a lot of power though, that might make them a target, even if they don't have a soul.
They aren't bound by linear time or space which makes attacking one kinda difficult unless they let you, and I suspect that trying to steal a fae's soul is one of the few things that will cause them to break character and use their true powers.
True enough, however, any creature/being that is powerful enough to even consider attacking a Fae, will probably already have considered how to handle those difficulties. Just because something is difficult, doesn't necessarily mean it's impossible.
Though I suspect that there are very few creatures/beings that are able to fight a Fae.
Quote from: Anker Steadfast on February 23, 2010, 06:08:49 PM
Though I suspect that there are very few creatures/beings that are able to fight a Fae.
Which is probably why those 'bracelets' are so darned effective. :giggle
Darn right .. also, they rock at techno raves. :D
Quote from: Anker Steadfast on February 23, 2010, 06:08:49 PM
Quote from: Kirishala on February 23, 2010, 03:56:18 PM
Quote from: Anker Steadfast on February 16, 2010, 07:19:24 PM
They do have a lot of power though, that might make them a target, even if they don't have a soul.
They aren't bound by linear time or space which makes attacking one kinda difficult unless they let you, and I suspect that trying to steal a fae's soul is one of the few things that will cause them to break character and use their true powers.
True enough, however, any creature/being that is powerful enough to even consider attacking a Fae, will probably already have considered how to handle those difficulties. Just because something is difficult, doesn't necessarily mean it's impossible.
Though I suspect that there are very few creatures/beings that are able to fight a Fae.
Or they could just be really,
really stupid... Seriously, it never seems to stop adventurers from picking fights with creatures far older and more powerful than they are... (Hey, the creatures' gotta eat!)
Quote from: Drayco84 on February 23, 2010, 09:14:07 PM
Or they could just be really, really stupid... Seriously, it never seems to stop adventurers from picking fights with creatures far older and more powerful than they are... (Hey, the creatures' gotta eat!)
Yes .. and after much trial and pain ... it seems all hope is lost ...
And then suddenly!
A miracle happens that turns the tide to his favor and
he wins!And then he finds out it was a hidden strength all along!
Oh joy!
And then
gumdrops!
Wonderful gumdrops rain from the ceiling (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_590.php)!
:D :mwaha :D
Yeah, it's a cliché because so many does it.
Quote from: Anker Steadfast on February 24, 2010, 09:16:46 AM
Quote from: Drayco84 on February 23, 2010, 09:14:07 PM
Or they could just be really, really stupid... Seriously, it never seems to stop adventurers from picking fights with creatures far older and more powerful than they are... (Hey, the creatures' gotta eat!)
Yes .. and after much trial and pain ... it seems all hope is lost ...
And then suddenly!
A miracle happens that turns the tide to his favor and he wins!
And then he finds out it was a hidden strength all along!
Oh joy!
And then gumdrops!
Wonderful gumdrops rain from the ceiling (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_590.php)!
:D :mwaha :D
Yeah, it's a cliché because so many does it.
Yeah, but if you're not the protagonist and instead you're some random/nameless adventurer, you're
lunch/screwed. Plus, if the creature was cliche-savvy, it would make things harder for the adventurers to achieve victory. (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_589.php (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_589.php) Yup, the one right before it. See also when the Prism Rangers try to transform in front of the main characters of Disgaea: Hour of Darkness. Hil-ar-i-ous.)
Quote from: Drayco84 on February 24, 2010, 12:21:22 PMYeah, but if you're not the protagonist and instead you're some random/nameless adventurer, you're lunch/screwed.
It's
true (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_462.php) because it's canon!
Or something like that.
:D
Quote from: Turnsky on February 18, 2010, 02:27:31 AM
Theoretically, the Fae would be on a proverbial cycle of reincarnation than anything else. The difference being is that they choose when to go on that cycle again.
I kind of agree - as far as i understand it from the comics and some logic and brain action, Fae, just like anything else have souls and reincarnate, just that they either are or have become so difficult to kill, that their population has reached a maximum, and unless they auto-destruct, no more can be made as there are no souls to go around. When you think of this, i doubt the population in member-years of even beings reaches such numbers , as they live 100 times shorter, and for cubi, i doubt their population is higher than 100 000's characteristic in the whole world (even that which Amber does not write about)
Something similar was in one slovak short story i read on the internet once - just with a fight between somewhat intelligent wolves and villagers, but they too shared the same soul-pool, and killed each other so that they could have children to preserve their community