Well we should have seen that comming, but now it looks like wildy is trying to convince Able to try things out
Edit: *sigh*. *fixes title*
-- llearch
Abel commits a good response for shutting down theorisers, which doubles as a bad response because this is going to spawn some terrible "Mary Sue gets him out of his shell" fanfiction, I can just smell it.
Shut down wherever she's going with this some more, spots! I approve of your deadpan reply and not of Wildy continuing to push the topic.
And once again, Amber proves her ability to give us an answer, without giving us an answer. let me explain why i think this. It means he doesn't know, because he hasn't tried, because he doesn't want to try, because he has deeper internal issues he needs to figuer out. so basically, he's an anti cubi X3 So I guess we get to see lots more of Able trying to figuer himself out in the future! hoorah! and yet, so horribly disappointing an answer, you'd think after 350+ years you would have learned to love yourself and such. ahh well, back to us all believing what we want.
and I wish Amber and Husband the best of luck, it's unfortunate cut backs happen, and they happen to the best.
Why are the forums taking so long to load? :S
Anyway, bad move there, Abel. Do NOT say "At least I don't think I am." That's carte blanche as far as Wildy is concerned. (And I'm surprised he doesn't know the term "asexual"....)
Also, does ANYONE understand what he said in his last word balloon??
"It was here on in that the fan's hopes would fall.
Dashed away, dashed away, dashed away all."
Shirou14, you have it completely wrong. Abel is asexual, he just doesn't care for sex. He doesn't feel one way or another. There are actually people like that that aren't wired to have any opinion or feeling for sex at all. They can just not have a sex drive or just not be attracted to one sex or another.
Though I think part of why he acted like he did at the academy, where he even put Jouster into medical care with shock, was just to see how far he could take things. My impression was he did it to see how far he could push the envelope and what might happen.
I would not be surprised if part of it with Abel is he's emotionally cut himself off with the world because of the crap that his father did. That could be partially why he wants no involvement with anyone. Another part could be he never truly had a huge attraction for either sex, or for sex.
He sounds like he isn't even interested in friendship- so I don't know if he's asexual so much as "I want to be left alone". You can be both, of course, but I miss the delightful ambiguity. *clings to ambiguity*
Damn I know how Abel feels. I get pestered all the time about this generally like:
"Why don't you have a boyfriend?"
"... Not interested?"
"Oh you like girls then kay."
Just argh. Tho is nice even in fiction form someone knows how I feel even if I'm considered wierd for shirtless blokes doing bugger all for me or girls. Abel went up a few points for me, maybe I should use this as my response too.
Quote from: Baal Hadad on January 31, 2010, 03:37:25 AM
Why are the forums taking so long to load? :S
Anyway, bad move there, Abel. Do NOT say "At least I don't think I am." That's carte blanche as far as Wildy is concerned. (And I'm surprised he doesn't know the term "asexual"....)
Also, does ANYONE understand what he said in his last word balloon??
I do. He says he doesn't even like himself to the point where he's tempted to even hit himself. And since he doesn't like himself so much, why would he give someone else more of an opportunity than normal to not like him even more than how much he doesn't like himself.
Quote from: Shirou14 on January 31, 2010, 03:31:10 AM
it's unfortunate cut backs happen, and they happen to the best.
I feel I must however, share with our new Canadian sister the proper Canadian way of dealing with them.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vj3JqueZZmQ :3
Quote from: radarnocturn on January 31, 2010, 05:40:48 AM
Quote from: Baal Hadad on January 31, 2010, 03:37:25 AM
Why are the forums taking so long to load? :S
Anyway, bad move there, Abel. Do NOT say "At least I don't think I am." That's carte blanche as far as Wildy is concerned. (And I'm surprised he doesn't know the term "asexual"....)
Also, does ANYONE understand what he said in his last word balloon??
I do. He says he doesn't even like himself to the point where he's tempted to even hit himself. And since he doesn't like himself so much, why would he give someone else more of an opportunity than normal to not like him even more than how much he doesn't like himself.
Ah, okay, it just sounded a little weird at first, almost as though English weren't his first language and he was using a different word order or something....
Quote from: Feather Dancer on January 31, 2010, 05:34:37 AM
Just argh. Tho is nice even in fiction form someone knows how I feel even if I'm considered wierd for shirtless blokes doing bugger all for me or girls. Abel went up a few points for me, maybe I should use this as my response too.
Nooo, you just havent met
the right one yet. You just wait and see, I'm going to set you up with a friend of mine ... No, no, no need to thank me ...
:B
Quote from: radarnocturn on January 31, 2010, 05:40:48 AM
I do. He says he doesn't even like himself to the point where he's tempted to even hit himself. And since he doesn't like himself so much, why would he give someone else more of an opportunity than normal to not like him even more than how much he doesn't like himself.
Huh. I thought he just wanted to punch himself for giving Wildy the "so you're single, then" opening, meaning that he failed to shut her up.
Quote from: Bjalf on January 31, 2010, 05:46:41 AM
Quote from: Feather Dancer on January 31, 2010, 05:34:37 AM
Just argh. Tho is nice even in fiction form someone knows how I feel even if I'm considered wierd for shirtless blokes doing bugger all for me or girls. Abel went up a few points for me, maybe I should use this as my response too.
Nooo, you just havent met the right one yet. You just wait and see, I'm going to set you up with a friend of mine ... No, no, no need to thank me ...
:B
Noooo. My dad asks EVERYTIME I call him if I have a boyfriend/girlfriend which I always say no, not interested. One of these days he'll try and blind date it which scares me D: Abel is safe from that sorda thing happening though, lucky swine. Tho suppose I'm proof that it is a very believable possibility of just going "Eh" at both genders :)
So Abel is a mixture of confidence and self loathing. The confidence would seem to be apathy based, in that he does whatever because he doesn't care what people think, but its a unstable kind of confidence, he's had two little breakdowns since leaving SAIA and probably worries that as soon as he starts to care about people he will feel scared, lonely and vulnerable.
Quote from: Feather Dancer on January 31, 2010, 05:53:14 AM
My dad asks EVERYTIME I call him if I have a boyfriend/girlfriend which I always say no, not interested. One of these days he'll try and blind date it which scares me D:
Just get a dog / cat and give it a human name.
I used to have a dog named "Truls (http://img69.imageshack.us/img69/7361/truls.jpg)" (a male name in Scandinavia). One day I met someone in my family, and she of course told other members of my family that "she had met
Bjalf and
Truls going for a walk". And the reaction was, "ooh, he's got a boyfriend, then?" And of course, no amount of denial ...
My frickin' dog outed me! :erk
Quote from: MT Hazard on January 31, 2010, 06:15:40 AM
... he's had two little breakdowns since leaving SAIA ...
Links? I don't remember any breakdowns, but he's had a ton of freakouts.
For breakdowns/ freak outs there are two in the 'life is wonderful' arch
here (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_625.php) and earlier here (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_609.php) whatever you call them he's significantly outside his comfort zone.
Quote from: MT Hazard on January 31, 2010, 06:47:54 AM
For breakdowns/ freak outs there are two in the 'life is wonderful' arch
here (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_625.php) and earlier here (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_609.php) whatever you call them he's significantly outside his comfort zone.
Thanks, I remembered 625, but I had completely forgotten 609. Arguably (623-)625 could be a continuation of 609.
667 (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_667.php) is definitely a freakout :U
Edit: And just about the entire "Get me to the Church" arc.
heh, i really that abel was gay.
the world made a back flip.
hah. :mowdizzy
i dont know much too say about this.
urrrr.
I sort of expected this. Abel has never really struck me as the kind to be interested in romance with anyone. Maybe that'll change, but I don't think I was really expecting a straight "yes" or "no" from him. It would have been rather out of character at this point.
As for Amber's situation, I sympathise, and I am truly grateful that she's doing her best to continue the comic in spite of it. I don't think any of us would necessarily blame her if she felt the need to take some time off. That said, a personal project like a webcomic is sometimes a good way of dealing with stress... although sometimes it can also be a source of much stress.
Quote from: Bjalf on January 31, 2010, 05:46:41 AMQuote from: radarnocturn on January 31, 2010, 05:40:48 AM
I do. He says he doesn't even like himself to the point where he's tempted to even hit himself. And since he doesn't like himself so much, why would he give someone else more of an opportunity than normal to not like him even more than how much he doesn't like himself.
Huh. I thought he just wanted to punch himself for giving Wildy the "so you're single, then" opening, meaning that he failed to shut her up.
That's what I heard as well. I once had a similar issue- I explained I was asexual and had no interest in relationships or anything involved, and I got asked "So... friends with benefits, then?". Serious facepalm moment. :erk
I read it as ""I can barely resist punching myself in the fist-
that question was so infuriating" "
But to answer it- Do you really think I'm going to give someone else the chance moreso than normal?", two separate statements not related. But now that I read it again- I see the point, it does seem like "I can barely resist punching myself in the fist, dating someone would only lead them to feel the same".
Quote from: StrawberryPistol87 on January 31, 2010, 08:29:28 AM
..Ha,........ i make many stories. and i made one guy that is asexuel but i didnt know it fif exist. i thought i was being originall. :erk
Only 1% of the population is asexual, and they're
never in stories, so it's still fairly original. :mowwink
Quote from: Eon on January 31, 2010, 08:30:24 AM
I sort of expected this. Abel has never really struck me as the kind to be interested in romance with anyone. Maybe that'll change, but I don't think I was really expecting a straight "yes" or "no" from him. It would have been rather out of character at this point.
Same here. I always thought Abel was asexy, but I didn't really expect him to say so. :< I don't know how to feel about it now that he has.
Somehow I just knew that Abel would give that answer. It fits perfectly with his character. :B
On a different note, this (http://i255.photobucket.com/albums/hh121/RentheKnight/Motivation/AsexualReproduction.jpg). :batman
Quote from: Bjalf on January 31, 2010, 06:20:38 AM
Quote from: Feather Dancer on January 31, 2010, 05:53:14 AM
My dad asks EVERYTIME I call him if I have a boyfriend/girlfriend which I always say no, not interested. One of these days he'll try and blind date it which scares me D:
Just get a dog / cat and give it a human name.
I used to have a dog named "Truls (http://img69.imageshack.us/img69/7361/truls.jpg)" (a male name in Scandinavia). One day I met someone in my family, and she of course told other members of my family that "she had met Bjalf and Truls going for a walk". And the reaction was, "ooh, he's got a boyfriend, then?" And of course, no amount of denial ...
My frickin' dog outed me! :erk
Already got the cats though I think Fluffy is a give away though lol :)
Ren, one Internet for using Yugioh Abridged.
And for those of us who are Asexual, just feel free to stare from afar and hey, won't go out with anyone but I'd be happy for a drink! Sides can talk without the awkwardness getting involved and suppose it can make you a bit more approachable, something I gather from Abel as well despite his stand offish tendency.
Quote from: Feather Dancer on January 31, 2010, 09:01:49 AM
And for those of us who are Asexual, just feel free to stare from afar and hey, won't go out with anyone but I'd be happy for a drink! Sides can talk without the awkwardness getting involved and suppose it can make you a bit more approachable, something I gather from Abel as well despite his stand offish tendency.
For some reason, this brings to mind something that caused what could only be called an epiphany in one of my second-year english courses at uni. While trying to describe character relationships in a novel, the phrase came up that "You can Love your friends without being In Love with them"
And I've already waffled my little rant about the comic abovethread, so I got nothing else here.
Quote from: Janus Whitefurr on January 31, 2010, 09:11:12 AM
Quote from: Feather Dancer on January 31, 2010, 09:01:49 AM
And for those of us who are Asexual, just feel free to stare from afar and hey, won't go out with anyone but I'd be happy for a drink! Sides can talk without the awkwardness getting involved and suppose it can make you a bit more approachable, something I gather from Abel as well despite his stand offish tendency.
For some reason, this brings to mind something that caused what could only be called an epiphany in one of my second-year english courses at uni. While trying to describe character relationships in a novel, the phrase came up that "You can Love your friends without being In Love with them"
Very true words.
I really don't like the idea that you can't be close friends with someone without there being something more. It used to be "you can't be close friends with the opposite sex", but now that LGB acceptance is more widespread, it happens with everyone. Having everyone assume that whenever characters are good friends they
must be totally in love gets annoying. :/
Quote from: Ry on January 31, 2010, 09:34:43 AM
I really don't like the idea that you can't be close friends with someone without there being something more. It used to be "you can't be close friends with the opposite sex", but now that LGB acceptance is more widespread, it happens with everyone. Having everyone assume that whenever characters are good friends they must be totally in love gets annoying. :/
People also tend to forget that love can be platonic. :B
Quote from: Ren Gaulen on January 31, 2010, 09:47:01 AM
People also tend to forget that love can be platonic. :B
Well, Plato (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Platonic_love)'s been dead for a very long time.
Gah I can't think of anything to write that doesn't offend someone in someway so I'll just say this.
My agnostic ass is delighted with Abel's current sexual stance. It gives me one more fence, between two groups, that I can sit upon and mock both sides freely.
I think I hear wailing and gnashing teeth. Must be the yaoi fangirls.
Quote from: Bjalf on January 31, 2010, 10:09:19 AM
Quote from: Ren Gaulen on January 31, 2010, 09:47:01 AM
People also tend to forget that love can be platonic. :B
Well, Plato (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Platonic_love)'s been dead for a very long time.
Necrophilia?
Quote from: llearch n'n'daCorna on January 31, 2010, 11:03:48 AM
Quote from: Bjalf on January 31, 2010, 10:09:19 AM
Quote from: Ren Gaulen on January 31, 2010, 09:47:01 AM
People also tend to forget that love can be platonic. :B
Well, Plato (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Platonic_love)'s been dead for a very long time.
Necrophilia?
Stiffs tend to have platonic relationships.
Quote from: Bjalf on January 31, 2010, 06:56:43 AM
Quote from: MT Hazard on January 31, 2010, 06:47:54 AM
For breakdowns/ freak outs there are two in the 'life is wonderful' arch
here (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_625.php) and earlier here (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_609.php) whatever you call them he's significantly outside his comfort zone.
Thanks, I remembered 625, but I had completely forgotten 609. Arguably (623-)625 could be a continuation of 609.
667 (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_667.php) is definitely a freakout :U
Edit: And just about the entire "Get me to the Church" arc.
Eh, 625 is "I get nauseous at the sight of anything that looks like blood"
667 is "this is a really creepy situation"
Now, 609 is on the edge of a breakdown.
Fantastic answer in my opinion. Fits his character very well. I also don't think he's really asexual just so caught up with other things in his life to the point where he can't even tell who he's attracted to at the moment.
Quote from: inuhanyo on January 31, 2010, 11:21:33 AM
Eh, 625 is "I get nauseous at the sight of anything that looks like blood"
Actually, only "in times of confusion and stress (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_627.php)", otherwise it'd have to be genuine blood to trigger a reaction.
Of course, being chucked out of SAIA and having to live with all Dan, Alexsi and all the other weirdos definitely counts as "confusion and stress".
Edit: And on that note, why did Abel leave SAIA? What was Fa'Lina's "trick (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_597.php)" to make him leave? I can't find anything on the forums here.
I was expecting a witty retort... ah well, at least he gave Wildy (and us) an answer. I guess the best thing to do here is wait and see how the situation plays out.
...On another note, before I post my whacky theory, didn't Abel tell Jyrras that a mind-shield could be dispelled, and or magic can go on the fritz?
Quote from: Ren Gaulen on January 31, 2010, 09:47:01 AM
Quote from: Ry on January 31, 2010, 09:34:43 AM
I really don't like the idea that you can't be close friends with someone without there being something more. It used to be "you can't be close friends with the opposite sex", but now that LGB acceptance is more widespread, it happens with everyone. Having everyone assume that whenever characters are good friends they must be totally in love gets annoying. :/
People also tend to forget that love can be platonic. :B
In love typically refers to romantic/sexual love. So while "I love you" can be platonic, "I'm in love with you" rarely is. So while I'd agree
two characters who are extremely close do
love each other, but I don't think they're
in love with each other.
Quote from: Bjalf on January 31, 2010, 06:56:43 AM
Quote from: MT Hazard on January 31, 2010, 06:47:54 AM
For breakdowns/ freak outs there are two in the 'life is wonderful' arch
here (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_625.php) and earlier here (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_609.php) whatever you call them he's significantly outside his comfort zone.
Thanks, I remembered 625, but I had completely forgotten 609. Arguably (623-)625 could be a continuation of 609.
667 (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_667.php) is definitely a freakout :U
Edit: And just about the entire "Get me to the Church" arc.
I think 623 is more comic relief (kinda like 675) but the rest give reason to think indeed. Also, honestly, I'm sure there are a lot of people who are really asexual and deserve to be treated a such. But if you're really asexual you don't exactly dress backless and smell of cinnamon. I would guess there are still some interesting events at the academy that are yet to be revealed that shed light on this. In any case, without saying anything about the real life Asexuals, you don't get born in the state Abel is in.
Also, what Eon said is right of course. It's really nice to still continue the comic, even though everyone would most likely understand a break. So in any case, many thanks to Amber and let's hope they'll be able to solve the situation quickly.
Quote from: Feather Dancer on January 31, 2010, 05:53:14 AM
Quote from: Bjalf on January 31, 2010, 05:46:41 AM
Quote from: Feather Dancer on January 31, 2010, 05:34:37 AM
Just argh. Tho is nice even in fiction form someone knows how I feel even if I'm considered wierd for shirtless blokes doing bugger all for me or girls. Abel went up a few points for me, maybe I should use this as my response too.
Nooo, you just havent met the right one yet. You just wait and see, I'm going to set you up with a friend of mine ... No, no, no need to thank me ...
:B
Noooo. My dad asks EVERYTIME I call him if I have a boyfriend/girlfriend which I always say no, not interested. One of these days he'll try and blind date it which scares me D: Abel is safe from that sorda thing happening though, lucky swine. Tho suppose I'm proof that it is a very believable possibility of just going "Eh" at both genders :)
That's parent-speak for "I want a grandchild." Next time he asks, tell him to adopt. >:3
Wildy obviously asked for Jy's sake, so no doubt she asked if Abel's single for Jy's sake, too. Just goes to show that Wildy does care about Jy... or she thinks she still owes him for Janus Bond.
:tmyk Can't say I'm surprised, Abel spends nearly 400 years pushing people away, you can't really expect much else.
Unless the title is a pun, Abel is spelled Abel.
I expected as much from Abel.
Well Abel didn't seem to have any relation ship other than friend when he lived with his mom and dad in the creature city. So it would make sense that he wouldn't have made many relation ships on a personal level with anyone.
Keeping to himself at the academy would have kept him from developing any personal attachments, which in it self is probably another reason for Fa'lina to "get Abel out of the house so to speak".
But what Willy asks Abel in the last panel makes me wonder if she like Abel enough maybe not as a boyfriend but as a casual fling or more horribly she likes setting up blind dates to watch the fireworks fly.
Abel is more or less undecided on his orientation as of yet.
Although Abel is asexual, it may have been brought on by the thought that anyone ge was close to died
(as for the title it's a typo, I'll try to fix it)
Quote from: kusanagi-sama on January 31, 2010, 08:16:51 PM
Abel is more or less undecided on his orientation as of yet.
He seemed pretty insistent that he's
not interested. Now I admit that I'm all for maintaining ambiguity and it's entirely possible he's
not asexual, he's uninterested for [list of reasons]- but I don't see any indecision here. He's very decided that he has no interest in any of it.[/list]
I know I have had periods in my life, where I simply had no interest in relationships at all.
It wasn't even a question of orientation or anything, just no interest.
Heck, I've had periods too, where I was sexually interested, but avoided it simply to avoid the regular relationship drama.
Basically, the opposite of platonic relationships. At that time a "robot" would have been perfect.
So that's a possibility too.
Asexuality isn't the same as undecided. Much in the way one discovers that you're attracted to one team or the other, the asexual realizes that they'd rather watch from the bleachers. It's actually fairly common among folk in the outside world (about 1% or so) and can be found in persons from any background. He's likely had several hundred years to figure out all of the details of this for himself.
I'm even more intrigued now by the fact that he claims to be what we would label "asexual", but he doesn't completely rule out the possibility of ever being interested in another person. I'm interested to see how Wildy will respond, and if maybe Abel will ask why she seems to care so much.
It sounds like he's talking about the "force" of his orientation, rather than its "direction".
The force could be so weak that the direction is unimportant.
For the present, and foreseeable future, nothing sexual is going on anywhere in his life.
That sounds reasonable to me.
In response to the concern for Mason's employment, I will second the fact that things will be fine, at least for the next while. The Canadian Government has seen fit to make certain we are taken care of in situations like this.
For some reason, I think his experiances at SAIA had something to do with this decision - for example, 537 (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_537.php). I can see that sort of thing either being a total turn off or... not. But in Abel's case, judging by the "Holy mother of H...", he knows exactly what is happening(it probably happened more than once), and doesn't like it.
Plus with the probable amount of "experimentation" at SAIA, I can easily see someone like Abel getting completely turned off to anything of the sort.
Quote from: Chaos on January 31, 2010, 11:26:33 PM
In response to the concern for Mason's employment, I will second the fact that things will be fine, at least for the next while. The Canadian Government has seen fit to make certain we are taken care of in situations like this.
Good to hear. I hope things work out for them soon.
Quote from: 127.0.0.2 on January 31, 2010, 06:37:30 PM
I think 623 is more comic relief (kinda like 675) but the rest give reason to think indeed. Also, honestly, I'm sure there are a lot of people who are really asexual and deserve to be treated a such. But if you're really asexual you don't exactly dress backless and smell of cinnamon. I would guess there are still some interesting events at the academy that are yet to be revealed that shed light on this. In any case, without saying anything about the real life Asexuals, you don't get born in the state Abel is in.
I suspect backless is more for the wing thing for convience when he shifts them back in while wearing a shirt. Least I gather, he did wear them for wing sake when younger too.
Quote from: Kesh on January 31, 2010, 06:56:58 PM
Quote from: Feather Dancer on January 31, 2010, 05:53:14 AM
Quote from: Bjalf on January 31, 2010, 05:46:41 AM
Quote from: Feather Dancer on January 31, 2010, 05:34:37 AM
Just argh. Tho is nice even in fiction form someone knows how I feel even if I'm considered wierd for shirtless blokes doing bugger all for me or girls. Abel went up a few points for me, maybe I should use this as my response too.
Nooo, you just havent met the right one yet. You just wait and see, I'm going to set you up with a friend of mine ... No, no, no need to thank me ...
:B
Noooo. My dad asks EVERYTIME I call him if I have a boyfriend/girlfriend which I always say no, not interested. One of these days he'll try and blind date it which scares me D: Abel is safe from that sorda thing happening though, lucky swine. Tho suppose I'm proof that it is a very believable possibility of just going "Eh" at both genders :)
That's parent-speak for "I want a grandchild." Next time he asks, tell him to adopt. >:3
Well hell he knows I hate kids D: But lol maybe should try that once just to freak him out. Seems convinced one of my friends in the states is my boyfriend for some reason despite the constant correcting. Ah the life of being wierd :)
Quote from: Jakon on January 31, 2010, 10:24:38 AM
I think I hear wailing and gnashing teeth. Must be the yaoi fangirls.
As I understand it, yaoi fangirls never let little things like the characters' orientations get in the way of their ships.
*Charline chuckles* This isn't surprising, really. Just think about the relationships we've seen in his life. Every last one has been an unmitigated disaster, both male, female, and everything else under the sun.
He suffered immense emotional trauma for decades as a youth, and has had his trust betrayed frequently enough to render him incapable of trusting anyone enough to become even remotely attracted to them.
Essentially, he'd make a great commando for the Cubi army to defeat the dragons!
*Charlinenow hates dragons because a dragon real-estate agent tricked her into getting a subprime mortage loan* That bastard and all his scaly kind WILL PAY!! >:O
Quote from: Alondro on February 01, 2010, 12:23:39 PM
He suffered immense emotional trauma for decades as a youth, and has had his trust betrayed frequently enough to render him incapable of trusting anyone enough to become even remotely attracted to them.
Essentially, he'd make a great commando for the Cubi army to defeat the dragons!
Because believing that his troops are going to sell him out to the Dragons or stab him in the back as soon as he looks the other way is the trait of a great leader >:3
Quote from: Tikki on January 31, 2010, 05:41:57 AM
Quote from: Shirou14 on January 31, 2010, 03:31:10 AM
it's unfortunate cut backs happen, and they happen to the best.
I feel I must however, share with our new Canadian sister the proper Canadian way of dealing with them.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vj3JqueZZmQ :3
:boogie :boogie :nod :boogie :boogie
Quote from: LoneHowler on January 31, 2010, 08:53:01 PM
Although Abel is asexual, it may have been brought on by the thought that anyone ge was close to died
(as for the title it's a typo, I'll try to fix it)
He'll be safe hooking up with Wildy then. ;) The only people to die will be everyone but Abel and her.
Best response to it ever.
Still won't change the fact people will randomly theorize about how it's a ploy and he's still gay so they want him to be gay to fufill their fantasies.
Quote from: Tapewolf on February 01, 2010, 12:30:58 PM
Quote from: Alondro on February 01, 2010, 12:23:39 PM
He suffered immense emotional trauma for decades as a youth, and has had his trust betrayed frequently enough to render him incapable of trusting anyone enough to become even remotely attracted to them.
Essentially, he'd make a great commando for the Cubi army to defeat the dragons!
Because believing that his troops are going to sell him out to the Dragons or stab him in the back as soon as he looks the other way is the trait of a great leader >:3
If you had an army of Demons, then yes, that would be a great quality in a leader. :D
Quote from: Tapewolf on February 01, 2010, 12:30:58 PM
Quote from: Alondro on February 01, 2010, 12:23:39 PM
He suffered immense emotional trauma for decades as a youth, and has had his trust betrayed frequently enough to render him incapable of trusting anyone enough to become even remotely attracted to them.
Essentially, he'd make a great commando for the Cubi army to defeat the dragons!
Because believing that his troops are going to sell him out to the Dragons or stab him in the back as soon as he looks the other way is the trait of a great leader >:3
It worked for Stalin...
And Mao...
Not for Julius Caesar. He
trusted Brutus! And look what happened!
Abel's fear of showing genuine feelings towards people, and his general annoyance in social situations makes this response pretty unsurprising.
However, he still hasn't said anything about whether or not he even cares about gender, and I wouldn't be surprised if Abel is more sexually frustrated than he lets on. Asexuality doesn't really disqualify one from having urges or emotions about people, it just means that you DEFINITELY don't act on them out of choice. And over time, Abel has proven to be one of the more conflicted individuals in the cast, despite his outer cool demeanor.
Quote from: The DXM on February 01, 2010, 06:44:50 PMAsexuality doesn't really disqualify one from having urges or emotions about people, it just means that you DEFINITELY don't act on them out of choice.
I'm not sure I understand what you mean. If you mean that there are asexuals with a healthy libido- this is accurate, although there are non-libidoists (and argument over whether non- or libidoists are "true" asexuals *eyeroll*). But that sex drive is not aimed at anyone, and most see masturbating as fulfilling a physical need than a "sexual release" or "pleasurable activity" and don't want to have sex to deal with that libido.
If you mean that asexuals are celibate- that isn't true. Many asexuals desire a romantic relationship, and are willing to have sex with their partner for the romantic aspects. Some even enjoy the pleasure it gives their partner or the emotional/physical intimacy of the act.
RAWRGH! I HATE THAT TITTLE!
Sorry, I first heard the term "asexual" in one of my science classes and my brain got the meaning "Reproduces without having sex." somehow imprinted. In other words, my first interpretation was something like "Abel reproducing with himself." Yes, it's awkward as heck and I was going to complain, but wiktionary (http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/asexual) backs up the meaning you're all using. However...
RAAAAAAGH! I STILL HATE THAT TITLE!
Gays I can handle... Weird, bizarre fetishes I can handle... (Heck, I have some of 'em. No, I'm NOT going into details!) But the thought of Abel self-impregnating himself is just... Ugh... GAAAAAAAAAH!
I'm WALKING away now...
Quote from: Drayco84 on February 01, 2010, 10:36:47 PM
But the thought of Abel self-impregnating himself is just... Ugh... GAAAAAAAAAH!
Crud now I have to write another Fanfic...
Quote from: Drayco84 on February 01, 2010, 10:36:47 PM
Gays I can handle... Weird, bizarre fetishes I can handle... (Heck, I have some of 'em. No, I'm NOT going into details!) But the thought of Abel self-impregnating himself is just... Ugh... GAAAAAAAAAH!
I'm WALKING away now...
Then just consider it
another bizarre fettish.
Becoming romantically involved for the pleasure it brings is somewhat like throwing yourself from a tall building to the concrete below for the pleasure of free-fall, save for the fact that the second of those two suicidal acts would hurt a good deal less.
Besides that, Abel doesn't like himself. He probably has good reason to believe that only liars or fools would act in a friendly manner toward him. Not wanting to join his life with a liar or a fool, he remains free of romantic entanglements for now.
He has thousands of years to figure out his life. Or maybe he'll have some glorious revelation and become just like everyone else so we can all feel better about him. For the moment, he's doing the safe thing.
I'm all for him starting his own clan. An entire clan of kind-hearted and admirable jerks, strewing confusion and snippets of hard-boiled wisdom throughout Amber's world... Eh, fun to think about anyway.
Quote from: Attic Rat on February 02, 2010, 12:09:47 AM
He has thousands of years to figure out his life. Or maybe he'll have some glorious revelation and become just like everyone else so we can all feel better about him. For the moment, he's doing the safe thing.
Perhaps that is part of Fa'Lina's plan in sending him to Lost Lake, to open him up.
I know I'm late as far as commenting on this goes, but still...
Kudos to Amber for lending Abel's voice to a hardly recognized minority. Bad luck for him revealing his orientation to Wildy, though... with anyone else, his choice of words might have been appropriate.
Some people have guessed that Abel's sexual disinterest might stem from his screwed up upbringing and such. I'm not sure if this is necessarily a cause-and-effect thing. Another possibility would be that simply becoming aware of his orientation made him feel even more of an outsider and added up to him becoming who he is now.
Quote from: Attic Rat on February 02, 2010, 12:09:47 AM
Becoming romantically involved for the pleasure it brings is somewhat like throwing yourself from a tall building to the concrete below for the pleasure of free-fall, save for the fact that the second of those two suicidal acts would hurt a good deal less.
Really?
Strange. I wasn't aware that anyone became romantically involved for any other reason. Ever.
Quote from: Alondro on February 01, 2010, 05:17:25 PM
It worked for Stalin...
And Mao...
Not for Julius Caesar. He trusted Brutus! And look what happened!
What? I haven't even posted in this thread. (Dohohoho)
Edit: Wait, damnit, now I have!
I can't help but feel annoyed by the people thinking, 'Abel's rough childhood made him asexual.'
I'm not saying that his childhood didn't have an effect on his orientation, but rather that it wasn't the sole cause. Many asexual people have had 'whitebread' upbringings, just as many straight/gay/bi people have had hectic childhoods. It's just something that happens.
Quote from: llearch n'n'daCorna on February 02, 2010, 03:15:11 AM
Strange. I wasn't aware that anyone became romantically involved for any other reason. Ever.
I became romantically involved so I didn't have to buy a new toaster after mine broke. Plus hers has 4 slots. :3
Quote from: Mao Laoren on February 02, 2010, 05:32:49 AM
Edit: Wait, damnit, now I have!
... I can fix that... ;-]
Also, is it just me or can Abel's last statement be taken one of two ways? He could either be saying: "I hate myself so much that I wouldn't bother to subject someone else to being with me" or, "I can't even stand myself, so what makes you think I'd stand for being emotionally attached to someone else?"
or maybe it's a bit of both... Assuming he's not just being snippy.
"..The closest thing I have to an orientation is "Not Interested". Which, who knows? It might change to a more textbook defenition one day. but I doubt it."
This could be interpreted one of two ways.
One, he's saying that one day a proper technical term for his (lack) of sexuality might exist.. which is highly doubtfull given how anything that exist pretty much will be cataloged and categorized eventually (and outside the furrae-verse it already yas, as Asexuality.)
Two, he's not ruling out any eventual change from 'none of the above' to this, that or the other, but given what he knows and feels right now he doesn't see it happening.
All in all it's just another brick in the wall.
Quote from: Tapewolf on February 01, 2010, 12:30:58 PM
Because believing that his troops are going to sell him out to the Dragons or stab him in the back as soon as he looks the other way is the trait of a great leader >:3
Or believing half of your cubi army is gonna stab or sell you out because they're dealing with an illegal black market and have enemies on all sides over souls.
:3
On self-impregnation: If that isn't already a small subset of m-preg I'll be surprised.
Quote from: Scarydragon on February 02, 2010, 05:59:30 AM
I can't help but feel annoyed by the people thinking, 'Abel's rough childhood made him asexual.'
I'm not saying that his childhood didn't have an effect on his orientation, but rather that it wasn't the sole cause. Many asexual people have had 'whitebread' upbringings, just as many straight/gay/bi people have had hectic childhoods. It's just something that happens.
The point is that it's possible he's not actually asexual, btu that there's something else repressing his orientation. For example- someone with a low libido. It's entirely possiblet hat they're asexual and no amount of increasing their libido would change that. However, it's also possible that they aren't "really" asexual and increasing their libido would reveal their "true" orientation.
It's the same with Abel- it's possible that he's asexual. It's also possible that his past has made it sot hat he automatically pushes away relationships of any kind (including friendship) and he won't acknowledge sexual attraction that he does feel, so he isn't "really" asexual.
I agree completely that your childhood doesn't cause your orientation, but asexuality is a bit slippery because there are things that can make a person who isn't "really" asexual think they are.
That's more or less how I think he is, not asexual, just straight and not interested (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_1084.php).
I think he just doesn't know, because he's never tried to know. That's what I'm sticking with! :mowwink
Some people seem rather insistent that he -can't- be asexual. Some do concede he could be, but most seem to want to throw doubt on it because... why?
Quote from: Janus Whitefurr on February 02, 2010, 07:09:01 PM
Some people seem rather insistent that he -can't- be asexual. Some do concede he could be, but most seem to want to throw doubt on it because... why?
Because they want Abel to marry them.
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Quote from: Chaos on January 31, 2010, 11:26:33 PM
In response to the concern for Mason's employment, I will second the fact that things will be fine, at least for the next while. The Canadian Government has seen fit to make certain we are taken care of in situations like this.
Good to hear. I hope things work out for them soon.
Gonna pile on the well-wishes wagon, too. ;)
I was laid off last June. I'm still looking. I
completely understand how much it sux.
Hugz and well-wishes to you, Amber! I hope that things turn around for you guys soon.
Quote from: Janus Whitefurr on February 02, 2010, 07:09:01 PM
Some people seem rather insistent that he -can't- be asexual. Some do concede he could be, but most seem to want to throw doubt on it because... why?
... I don't see it. We/They are just saying that his asexuality still isn't confirmed. He's an introvert taken to an unhealthy excess, considering he takes pride in that he's managed to isolate himself from everyone else in a school swarming with
telepaths for ~375 years... Any relationships at all are out of the question for him... I don't want to elaborate on much detail, considering the underlying content of the subject.
Quote from: Janus Whitefurr on February 02, 2010, 07:09:01 PM
Some people seem rather insistent that he -can't- be asexual. Some do concede he could be, but most seem to want to throw doubt on it because... why?
Same reason people seem to think there's no such thing as being bi....
Quote from: Lego3400 on February 02, 2010, 10:09:12 PM
Quote from: Janus Whitefurr on February 02, 2010, 07:09:01 PM
Some people seem rather insistent that he -can't- be asexual. Some do concede he could be, but most seem to want to throw doubt on it because... why?
Same reason people seem to think there's no such thing as being bi....
Which I find those people who do, slightly insulting; because I'm Bi and proud of it!! :mowmeep
Quote from: Mrs_A_ZeTavia on February 02, 2010, 10:48:50 PM
Quote from: Lego3400 on February 02, 2010, 10:09:12 PM
Quote from: Janus Whitefurr on February 02, 2010, 07:09:01 PM
Some people seem rather insistent that he -can't- be asexual. Some do concede he could be, but most seem to want to throw doubt on it because... why?
Same reason people seem to think there's no such thing as being bi....
Which I find those people who do, slightly insulting; because I'm Bi and proud of it!! :mowmeep
I'm bi too but I'm not proud of it--I didn't work at it. I'm not ashamed of it, but I save pride for something I put effort into.
Quote from: Lego3400 on February 02, 2010, 10:09:12 PM
Quote from: Janus Whitefurr on February 02, 2010, 07:09:01 PM
Some people seem rather insistent that he -can't- be asexual. Some do concede he could be, but most seem to want to throw doubt on it because... why?
Same reason people seem to think there's no such thing as being bi....
I don't understand how acknowledging that
ABEL might not be asexual is saying "asexuality isn't a real orientation". :erk I'm asexual, I fully believe it's an orientation and just as valid as any other, I always thought that Abel seemed more asexual than anything, but that doesn't mean I have to think that it's set in stone that Abel is asexy. There's evidence that Abel is fairly self-loathing, he also doesn't seem to have a healthy view of personal relationships (even just friendship) and may have ignored sexual attraction in his quest to be alone.
Abel might be asexual, yes, but it's just as possible that he's not.
Quote from: Janus Whitefurr on February 02, 2010, 07:09:01 PM
Some people seem rather insistent that he -can't- be asexual. Some do concede he could be, but most seem to want to throw doubt on it because... why?
Because there is insufficient data on the subject. And because it's the simplest explanation. According to Wikipedia, only about 1% is asexual. According to the comic (and real life),
everybody's got issues. And Abel's got tons of issues, with whipped cream and a cherry on top. Family issues, trust issues, relationship issues. Waffle issues ... no wait, that was Matilda (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_660.php).
Abel just wants to be left alone (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_742.php). No sex, no romance, no friends. And no labels.
Quote from: Drayco84 on February 01, 2010, 10:36:47 PM
But the thought of Abel self-impregnating himself is just... Ugh... GAAAAAAAAAH!
No, no, silly-head. Abel reproduces by budding!
I do rather wonder why Matilda is terrified of pancakes.
Off the record;
Which ones of you who are advocates of that doubt that Abel potentially isn't asexual actually want him to be of x orientation? We can't blame you for being fans, that is your choice, anyway. And we can't use it against your well presented arguments.
I'm not going to judge anyone here, feel free to respond or don't. It'd be interesting to see an actual opinion for once, as opposed to grinding foreheads together in some convoluted debate.
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I like how Abel reacted, actually. He seemed to treat this as so much noise, like when a message is repeated so much at you and you learn to block it out. Shows you an actual reason why he's a recluse; a cause rather than an effect.
Quote from: Magic on February 03, 2010, 08:27:37 AM
Which ones of you who are advocates of that doubt that Abel potentially isn't asexual actually want him to be of x orientation?
Personally, I'd think that a relationship between Abel and Jyrr
buttas would be fun. And it should be a relationship with all the trimmings, including sex, because that gives a much bigger potential for embarrassing situations. :eager
Oh crud, apparently I have an embarrassment fetish! :eek How embarrassing! :3
On a slightly more serious note, I felt that the "asexual" label was unfortunate, and an attempt at giving Abel "special powers", which I find unneccessary, because Abel is quite awesome by himself, without a label, cape, or rubber costume. :spidey :batman
Again, there is just too little information at this point. Abel's sexual orientation could be
anything (http://www.webcomicsnation.com/bdaniel/violet/series.php?view=archive&chapter=43128) except slutty. All we know is that he's not interested, which could be based on a number of causes or issues. Being a shapeshifter, I'd rule out physical impotence, though. :U
Edit: And all our wild speculations are based mostly on Abel's words, spoken at a time when he was somewhat annoyed. He could be lying outright. He could be deluding himself, but thinking that he told the truth. What would Abel know, anyway? He's frigging
drowning in issues! :erk
Quote from: Magic on February 03, 2010, 08:27:37 AM
Off the record;
Which ones of you who are advocates of that doubt that Abel potentially isn't asexual actually want him to be of x orientation? We can't blame you for being fans, that is your choice, anyway. And we can't use it against your well presented arguments.
I'm not going to judge anyone here, feel free to respond or don't. It'd be interesting to see an actual opinion for once, as opposed to grinding foreheads together in some convoluted debate.
I'm rather curious as to what you consider "an actual opinion" if well-presented arguments alone don't cut it. If they're only well-presented arguments from people who aren't interested in Abel, then your chances of getting one are fairly slim. :mowtongue
That said, I myself only debate Abel's orientation out of academic interest. I like people and I like trying to predict why they do the things they do. If Abel eventually figures out he's truly asexual, or gay, I will not be heartbroken.
Quote from: Magic on February 03, 2010, 08:27:37 AMWhich ones of you who are advocates of that doubt that Abel potentially isn't asexual actually want him to be of x orientation? We can't blame you for being fans, that is your choice, anyway. And we can't use it against your well presented arguments.
I've
always thought that Abel was more asexual than anything else. If I want him to be any orientation,
I want him to be asexual- however, that doesn't mean I think he can't be sexual. As has been pointed out, he has LOADS of issues. If he was shown as capable of having healthy relationships (
friendship counts and I mean at present not when he was 5) then I'd be more willing to believe there's no underlying problems.
And I've said this several times in this thread already. :censored Are you even reading the reasonings or are
you so attached to him being asexual that you refuse to listen to well-presented arguments?
I have no attachment to Abel being sexual or romantic. I don't really ship anyone in this comic, and I don't even consider him having a relationship with anyone to deny his (potential) asexuality any more than a lesbian falling in love with one man (http://www.darcomic.org/2007/12/11/dykewithboyfriend/) denies her homosexuality. There is such a thing as demisexual- www.asexuality.org/wiki/index.php?title=Demisexual -and most demisexuals I know consider themselves more asexual than not.
I still don't understand why the debate is still going on about this... (No, I'm being serious here. I truly and honestly don't get it...)
Abel is an introvert who's locked down his feelings and has spent the last near-400 years running from his problems. I mean, Come on? Grass growing? The only reason one would take that is if they're trying not to think about someone else. And for someone who's been there, take enough college classes and you won't have TIME to think about the things you need to face, regardless of wether or not you need to sleep. (My evidence? The bad reaction to the paint spill.) Plus, the only reason he's ventured out of SAIA is because Fa'lina virtually forced him out. In essence, he's a 400-year old kid who feels like he needs to sort himself out before dragging someone else into his problems. (Also, that someone else would be an all-too-easy target for anyone and anything that wants to hurt HIM.) So, to me, his response isn't surprising at all and Amber's just moving the plot forward. (Or stalling. My money's on stalling.)
I'm more interested in the following...
Regina's history with Dan
Edward's history with Abel
When Wildy will discover Jyrras's stockpile of weapons of massive destruction. (At that point, EVERYBODY RUN FOR THEIR LIVES!)
Abel hitting on Dan.
Dan returning the favor and hitting on Abel.
Alexsi getting fed up and hitting on BOTH of them. (Wait, you mean you thought I referring to the other kind of hitting?)
Dan attempting to use magic, round 2! (First rule: ALWAYS direct stuff AWAY from you.)
Dark Pegasus Round... Darn, I lost count...
WHAT THE FRIGGIN' HELL MAB IS REALLY UP TO!
Not that I want to keep the debate going, in fact I would rather see it reach a conclusion that is acceptable for all involved parties, but still I can't help commenting on one thing:
Some of the recent posts here apparently suggested that Abel is pretty much just a messed up kid - an interpretation that I can't second. Because honestly, who can really live for almost 400 years doing nothing else than running from one's problems? I think no matter what, it is pretty unlikely that anybody, no matter how messed up their childhood might have been, did not have plenty of time to think and sort things out in more than one human lifetime.
Seriously, I doubt that anybody can run from their problems for so long. Either you end up facing them sooner or later - and 400 years is a very long time - or you adjust, so that they are not problems anymore, by definition.
Feel free to disagree if you really need to, though. But don't forget that we're talking about Abel from the regular DMFA storyline here, who is most likely a lot more mature than his younger self depicted in Abel's story, that you might still have in mind when questioning his sanity.
Quote from: Ellian on February 03, 2010, 07:16:48 PM
Seriously, I doubt that anybody can run from their problems for so long. Either you end up facing them sooner or later - and 400 years is a very long time - or you adjust, so that they are not problems anymore, by definition.
Feel free to disagree if you really need to, though. But don't forget that we're talking about Abel from the regular DMFA storyline here, who is most likely a lot more mature than his younger self depicted in Abel's story, that you might still have in mind when questioning his sanity.
There's a thing people tend to do when confronted with issues that need solving. They make a little progress, admire it, stop, and call it good enough. They don't actually fix everything that needs to be fixed. For a race of people that can just sit in the dark for years (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_861.php) if they feel like it, I'd think avoiding issues would actually be a skill learned early.
All speculation, of course. Cubi's personalities and styles of dealing with things may not precisely match human personalities and human styles of dealing with things.
Quote from: Arcblade on February 03, 2010, 10:04:52 AM
I'm rather curious as to what you consider "an actual opinion" if well-presented arguments alone don't cut it. If they're only well-presented arguments from people who aren't interested in Abel, then your chances of getting one are fairly slim.
That said, I myself only debate Abel's orientation out of academic interest. I like people and I like trying to predict why they do the things they do. If Abel eventually figures out he's truly asexual, or gay, I will not be heartbroken.
Definition: Opinion: your belief on the matter, not your logical argument.
QuoteI've always thought that Abel was more asexual than anything else. If I want him to be any orientation, I want him to be asexual- however, that doesn't mean I think he can't be sexual. As has been pointed out, he has LOADS of issues. If he was shown as capable of having healthy relationships (friendship counts and I mean at present not when he was 5) then I'd be more willing to believe there's no underlying problems.
And I've said this several times in this thread already. Are you even reading the reasonings or are you so attached to him being asexual that you refuse to listen to well-presented arguments?
Of course I read. I was looking for beliefs, not arguments.
I'm sorry if this hit a nerve, but you had no reason to take it personally. You were given the chance to not reply to the question. I asked politely with no strings attached and presented an honorable promise that I will not judge you, and I'm serious about it.
Quote from: Magic on February 03, 2010, 08:22:55 PM
Quote from: Arcblade on February 03, 2010, 10:04:52 AM
I'm rather curious as to what you consider "an actual opinion" if well-presented arguments alone don't cut it. If they're only well-presented arguments from people who aren't interested in Abel, then your chances of getting one are fairly slim.
That said, I myself only debate Abel's orientation out of academic interest. I like people and I like trying to predict why they do the things they do. If Abel eventually figures out he's truly asexual, or gay, I will not be heartbroken.
Definition: Opinion: your belief on the matter, not your logical argument.
That tends to come down to simple statements, though, doesn't it? Like, "I think Abel is actually asexual, and that's all there is to it." Or am I misunderstanding? If not, I'd think that'd get old rather fast. It's all very well to have an opinion, but unless you explain it (usually via logical argument), it just becomes a poll instead of a discussion. I could be wrong, of course.
Sexuality in general is a horrifyingly complex topic as it stands. I doubt there are very many here who could really discuss the concepts at hand with much authority (by authority I mean academic or professional experience with the subject). Most readers here have probably had anywhere from a year or so to decades to explore and come to terms with their own sexuality; Abel has had a few centuries. The effect this amount of time would have in this case is unknown and unknowable to anyone. In any case I see it as a situation much like my own experiences, I assume it's similar for others, but not necessarily. I don't consciously decide what features are attractive, and which ones are repulsive; it's built in through the years. I myself find it strange and some circles find it insulting if you suggest that their sexuality is a choice they made. Ask someone when they decided that they were going to be be hetero/homo/a/etc.sexual and see the response you get. I don't see the situation so much as Abel deciding to be asexual as discovering he's asexual.
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Quote from: Janus Whitefurr on February 02, 2010, 07:09:01 PM
Some people seem rather insistent that he -can't- be asexual. Some do concede he could be, but most seem to want to throw doubt on it because... why?
Same reason people seem to think there's no such thing as being bi....
Which I find those people who do, slightly insulting; because I'm Bi and proud of it!! :mowmeep
I'm bi too but I'm not proud of it--I didn't work at it. I'm not ashamed of it, but I save pride for something I put effort into.
I'm proud of it because its just one of the many things that make me who I am, not that I work at it either. It's just who I am. :mowtongue I
CAN say I'm very proud to be in school heading toward my dream career!! :boogie
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Quote from: Janus Whitefurr on February 02, 2010, 07:09:01 PM
Some people seem rather insistent that he -can't- be asexual. Some do concede he could be, but most seem to want to throw doubt on it because... why?
Same reason people seem to think there's no such thing as being bi....
Which I find those people who do, slightly insulting; because I'm Bi and proud of it!! :mowmeep
I'm bi too but I'm not proud of it--I didn't work at it. I'm not ashamed of it, but I save pride for something I put effort into.
I'm proud of it because its just one of the many things that make me who I am, not that I work at it either. It's just who I am. :mowtongue I CAN say I'm very proud to be in school heading toward my dream career!! :boogie
Now, that's something I can't boast about, though I wish I could....
Back on-topic: I don't "want" Abel to be anything. He answered the question, and what else was anyone really expecting? He's not interested in a relationship, and it's pretty clear why. I'm not shipping him with anyone, but neither am I going to hate Amber if he ever does get involved with someone, female or male.
Quote from: Arcblade on February 03, 2010, 08:32:59 PM
That tends to come down to simple statements, though, doesn't it? Like, "I think Abel is actually asexual, and that's all there is to it." Or am I misunderstanding? If not, I'd think that'd get old rather fast. It's all very well to have an opinion, but unless you explain it (usually via logical argument), it just becomes a poll instead of a discussion. I could be wrong, of course.
It is a question, one that people can choose to decline answering.
I am not concerned about the
popularity of my question. I honestly wish to know.
If I cannot ask a simple question with a simple and concise reply, met instead with straw man replies about my neutral and as far as I can see, polite, position in this thread then you need only request of me to rescind my question in private message without inciting negative response in the forum as a reply. I can then edit the post and erase it, if it so incites such a reaction.
You need but ask and I will deliver immediately without incident. I again apologize wholeheartedly if it has angered anyone. Thank you in advance for understanding, and good day.
all this talk about the sexual orientation/preference of a fictional character.... i shouldn't be surprised, after all.. i mean this IS the Internet...
but...
Ye Gods.. :erk
Ok, I'm seeing some tension here that isn't really necessary.
All Magic has asked, is for people to post, without reasoning, what they believe (or desire) Abel's sexuality to be. Yes, this is a poll of sorts. If you hadn't noticed though, Magic did not start this thread so he can't attach a poll to it. Etiquette stops him from creating another thread for this as it would simply clutter up the forum. The discussion on the matter is here, best to keep it here. Rather then complain about his lack of desire to know your reasoning, either choose to answer the question or just ignore his request.
I honestly don't know, myself. I'd like for Abel to end up happy, in the same way I'd like everyone to end up happy. On the other hand, people need to grow...
As for his sexuality? Meh. Irrelevant, other than insofar as it affects the comic strip. And that, I'll leave to Amber.
... Sorry for being more verbose than requested.
I totally prefer that Abel be asexual (or demisexual as Ry suggested), but that may be out of sheer spite for everyone who wants him to be otherwise. (I enjoy being spiteful, I think I might have a problem. :P )
Also, I think it's about time the pretty-boy didn't turn out to be gay, straight or otherwise. (Once again, if only to erk the fans. The fans with their 'shipping', and their torrid, filthy fan-fics. :B )
Quote from: llearch n'n'daCorna on February 04, 2010, 08:25:37 AM
... Sorry for being more verbose than requested.
I have this feeling that you could never be not verbose. Which is totally awesome. I know I enjoy a good verbosity now and then. :3
To answer Magic's question: I'm not sure Abel is asexual (though if he is, more power to him), and I sorta want him to be bisexual.
To elaborate: I agree with the fact Abel is a recluse. In fact, I would have been surprised if he had 'experimented' at SAIA, which some seem to had thought he had. Even he seems a tad unsure of his asexuality in the latest comic.
Also, I'm asexual, as far as I know... some people think I'm in denial of being straight (yes, you read that right). Anyway, I feel a little sad, because it will be that much harder to find a mate, seeing as mates generally wish to... mate. So maybe I just want Abel to find a life partner so he can be happy.
And he struck me as bisexual, though I'm not sure why. It's possible I just want him to be with Jyrras and i want future Abel-spawn. I will have my cake, and I will eat it too! >:3
Quote from: llearch n'n'daCorna on February 04, 2010, 08:25:37 AM
I'd like for Abel to end up happy, in the same way I'd like everyone to end up happy. On the other hand, people need to grow...
As for his sexuality? Meh. Irrelevant, other than insofar as it affects the comic strip. And that, I'll leave to Amber.
Agreed with this, although I would honestly prefer he be bisexual. Keep in mind that's a fangirl speaking. But the way everyone's making such a big deal over this makes me feel
embarrassed to feel that way. Ugh.
I'm defecting to Team Asexual just out of spite.
Quote from: Magic on February 04, 2010, 07:58:43 AM
It is a question, one that people can choose to decline answering.
Quote from: Mao Laoren on February 04, 2010, 08:17:37 AM
All Magic has asked, is for people to post, without reasoning, what they believe (or desire) Abel's sexuality to be. Yes, this is a poll of sorts. If you hadn't noticed though, Magic did not start this thread so he can't attach a poll to it. Etiquette stops him from creating another thread for this as it would simply clutter up the forum. The discussion on the matter is here, best to keep it here. Rather then complain about his lack of desire to know your reasoning, either choose to answer the question or just ignore his request.
Ah, I see. I wasn't complaining, actually. I just didn't understand what he was asking, and what the reasoning behind it was. Sorry about that. I don't mean to irritate you or Magic.
Answering the question at hand: Had I my choice, I suppose I'd have Abel be asexual for now, eventually turning bi when his problems are resolved.
Quote from: Keaton the Black Jackal on February 04, 2010, 09:30:26 AM
Quote from: llearch n'n'daCorna on February 04, 2010, 08:25:37 AM
I'd like for Abel to end up happy, in the same way I'd like everyone to end up happy. On the other hand, people need to grow...
As for his sexuality? Meh. Irrelevant, other than insofar as it affects the comic strip. And that, I'll leave to Amber.
Agreed with this, although I would honestly prefer he be bisexual. Keep in mind that's a fangirl speaking. But the way everyone's making such a big deal over this makes me feel embarrassed to feel that way. Ugh.
I'm defecting to Team Asexual just out of spite.
Maybe that's for the best. Abel sexuality doesn't play as much of a factor now because of this.
In a way I actually respect Abel's character because of this.
After all he has his awkward friends, gets to make smart sly comments now and again, and he gets in more trouble with Dan then he would probably see as reasonable. Even though Fa'lina had to out reason him to get him to get out of the Academy in the first place
Why should he have to complicate things by doing something he just isn't interested in and requires more commitment then he is ready for?
In a way I kind of see Abel as the older brother trying to keep his younger brother "Dan" out of harm way and every once and a while they have a toss and tumble because of an argument.
Quote from: llearch n'n'daCorna on February 04, 2010, 08:25:37 AM
As for his sexuality? Meh. Irrelevant, other than insofar as it affects the comic strip. And that, I'll leave to Amber.
Woo, Glad to see there is people out there who want to leave Amber's characters, belonging to Amber.
So many fans with giant giant shipping companies. Shipping such terrible things.
Quote from: Keaton the Black Jackal on February 04, 2010, 09:30:26 AM
I'm defecting to Team Asexual just out of spite.
Wooo! Spite! >3
Quote from: Drathorin on February 04, 2010, 11:57:51 AM
Wooo! Spite! >3
I wonder if there are cubi that can feed off of that. I shudder to think of the amount of evil that would come out of a clan who pride themselves on being spiteful.
Quote from: Shachza on February 04, 2010, 12:47:18 PM
Quote from: Drathorin on February 04, 2010, 11:57:51 AM
Wooo! Spite! >3
I wonder if there are cubi that can feed off of that. I shudder to think of the amount of evil that would come out of a clan who pride themselves on being spiteful.
You know, I'm still a bit fuzzy on just how that whole 'feeding on emotions' thing is really supposed to work. (I don't think we've ever seen it actually happen 'on stage' in the comic.) The most
obvious interpretation would actually seem to be the literal one -- as a cubi feeds, the 'victim' feels the emotion in question less and less until it's gone (in the extreme case, anyway). If true, that should actually make the clans with affinities for 'negative' emotions
more popular than those who feed on 'positive' ones...as long as there's enough 'food' for them to go around naturally that they don't have to stir things up on purpose, anyway.
Quote from: A. Lurker on February 04, 2010, 03:13:10 PM
You know, I'm still a bit fuzzy on just how that whole 'feeding on emotions' thing is really supposed to work. (I don't think we've ever seen it actually happen 'on stage' in the comic.)
It's passive. Dan has been feeding on emotions from the inn patrons for quite a while, which is why he doesn't get hungry very much.
As for the mechanics of feeding on it, AFAIK it's more like they're mopping up surplus energy that would otherwise be wasted. Unless things have changed recently design-wise, it is possible for a 'Cubi to feed off their own emotions.
There was an example of a walled-up 'Cubi who survives for hundreds of years off their own rage and hatred, I'm not sure that is strictly compatible with a model where they actively reduce the emotion in the subject.
Also, it would kind of ruin the whole clown-cubi Abel mentioned, if they sucked the joy out of the children instead of provoking it :P
Quote from: Turnsky on February 04, 2010, 08:10:46 AM
all this talk about the sexual orientation/preference of a fictional character.... i shouldn't be surprised, after all.. i mean this IS the Internet...
but...
Ye Gods.. :erk
I think that'll only provoke the response of "He's well drawn!"
Still, I agree this is getting creepy on all fronts.
Quote from: Drayco84 on February 03, 2010, 03:51:11 PM
I'm more interested in the following...
Regina's history with Dan
Edward's history with Abel
When Wildy will discover Jyrras's stockpile of weapons of massive destruction. (At that point, EVERYBODY RUN FOR THEIR LIVES!)
Abel hitting on Dan.
Dan returning the favor and hitting on Abel.
Alexsi getting fed up and hitting on BOTH of them. (Wait, you mean you thought I referring to the other kind of hitting?)
Dan attempting to use magic, round 2! (First rule: ALWAYS direct stuff AWAY from you.)
Dark Pegasus Round... Darn, I lost count...
WHAT THE FRIGGIN' HELL MAB IS REALLY UP TO!
I quite agree with all of the above! :eager I too am very curious about all this. Of course I'd make sure my rear was saved in advance if Wildy ever did get a hold of Jyrras' weapons, like pledge my allegiance to her or something.......*shrugs*
Quote from: Tapewolf on February 04, 2010, 03:31:20 PM
Also, it would kind of ruin the whole clown-cubi Abel mentioned, if they sucked the joy out of the children instead of provoking it :P
... the clown in Spawn leaps into mind...
Quote from: llearch n'n'daCorna on February 04, 2010, 05:29:11 PM
Quote from: Tapewolf on February 04, 2010, 03:31:20 PM
Also, it would kind of ruin the whole clown-cubi Abel mentioned, if they sucked the joy out of the children instead of provoking it :P
... the clown in Spawn leaps into mind...
Since when do clowns inspire joy in children, anyways? I thought they inspired
fear. :<
Quote from: Ry on February 04, 2010, 05:36:19 PM
Quote from: llearch n'n'daCorna on February 04, 2010, 05:29:11 PM
Quote from: Tapewolf on February 04, 2010, 03:31:20 PM
Also, it would kind of ruin the whole clown-cubi Abel mentioned, if they sucked the joy out of the children instead of provoking it :P
... the clown in Spawn leaps into mind...
Since when do clowns inspire joy in children, anyways? I thought they inspired fear. :<
I agree, haven't any of you seen
IT?!
Quote from: Mrs_A_ZeTavia on February 04, 2010, 05:52:24 PM
Quote from: Ry on February 04, 2010, 05:36:19 PM
Since when do clowns inspire joy in children, anyways? I thought they inspired fear. :<
I agree, haven't any of you seen IT?!
We all float down here!
You'll float too!
Quote from: Mrs_A_ZeTavia on February 04, 2010, 05:52:24 PM
I agree, haven't any of you seen IT?!
Yes. Never heard of 'spawn' though.
For that (Pennywise) and various other reasons, clowns aren't an example I'd
normally choose. I only invoked it because that's what Abel was citing in strip 524.
At the end of the day the point is that subtractive emotion-feeding would be counterproductive for the examples he's giving.
If you prefer, the succubus example - if she feeds on passion or lust subtractively it's going to be a big turn-off for her victim and the whole seduction bit fails miserably...
If they drain the emotional energy, it depends on when they "hit". I've always felt that, for beings that absorb the energy from others, it's possible for them to leech off a little over a long period of time, until their victim reaches a climax.
<SHAMELESS SELF-PROMOTION! AND SQUIKY, DON'T FORGET SQUIKY!>I go into detail about my theories here: http://dragonoftwilight.net/HG-Demons.html (http://dragonoftwilight.net/HG-Demons.html).<END OF SHAMELESS SELF-PROMOTION!>
Huh... Odd... I didn't actually describe the ACT of feeding... Possibly due to reating restrictions by my web-host...
Oh riiiight... Coulrophobia... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coulrophobia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coulrophobia) I'd say something witty, funny, and sarcastic, but NOTHING compares to this... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c_jtAnp_ogo (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c_jtAnp_ogo) Animaniacs 4 Teh Win.
Quote from: Drayco84 on February 04, 2010, 10:57:10 PM
Huh... Odd... I didn't actually describe the ACT of feeding... Possibly due to reating restrictions by my web-host...
I'll check the link later, but in DMFA it's not a voluntary act, it's more like the act of breathing. People like Dan who believe they're some strange winged Being have it happen, unaware that it's even going on.
Allowing them to not eat for a few years (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_305.php) and not stave.
Quote from: Mao Laoren on February 04, 2010, 08:17:37 AM
All Magic has asked, is for people to post, without reasoning, what they believe (or desire) Abel's sexuality to be. Yes, this is a poll of sorts...
Simply... Asex.ual in the form of
straight but uninsterested. Later, if he opens up to allow/admit relationships, straight.
Quote from: Turnsky on February 04, 2010, 08:10:46 AM
all this talk about the sexual orientation/preference of a fictional character.... i shouldn't be surprised, after all.. i mean this IS the Internet...
but...
Ye Gods.. :erk
I agree, I don't really care and I don't see the point of debating this.
We debate because it's FUN! Sure, it's a fictional character, but why not give into fantasy every now and then?
What, furries (closet, marginal, moderate or all-out) give in to fantasy? NEVER!!! :spidey :batman :starwars :link
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Just argh. Tho is nice even in fiction form someone knows how I feel even if I'm considered wierd for shirtless blokes doing bugger all for me or girls. Abel went up a few points for me, maybe I should use this as my response too.
Nooo, you just havent met the right one yet. You just wait and see, I'm going to set you up with a friend of mine ... No, no, no need to thank me ...
:B
Noooo. My dad asks EVERYTIME I call him if I have a boyfriend/girlfriend which I always say no, not interested. One of these days he'll try and blind date it which scares me D: Abel is safe from that sorda thing happening though, lucky swine. Tho suppose I'm proof that it is a very believable possibility of just going "Eh" at both genders :)
That's parent-speak for "I want a grandchild." Next time he asks, tell him to adopt. >:3
IDE/THEORY: There will be a short story arc where Aniz tries to coerce Abel to reproduce for the sake of their clan. Failing that, he tries to coerce (insert pairing of your choice) to seduce Abel.
Maybe someone from the Nact'Larn clan might persuade someone like Abel.
Apart from that, I think he'll be able to resist any charms thrown his way.
I reckon they would consider it a challenge too.
If nothing else, then to make Abel pick up dating, even if it's with someone his dad didn't approve of.
Perhaps especially if it's someone Aniz doesn't approve of .. I don't think most cubi are that fond of Aniz.