I was expecting him to react a little more savagely than that. I guess there's a time and a place for everything...
I never really pictured Abel as "savage." I almost think he is bemused by Wildy's confidence and bravado. We'll see...
Quote from: Tapewolf on January 29, 2010, 03:12:32 PM
I was expecting him to react a little more savagely than that.
Not after a look at panel 2. Would you react even a tiny little bit savagely to a Wildy who's grinning like that? Although it would be fascinating to find out if there's anything she could say that would get this sort of reaction (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_527.php) from Abel. Fascinating, but probably not safe to be close enough to watch...
An intriguing expression on Abel in panel 3, though. Is that oh-no-not-again, where-will-she-hit-me-this-time, or can-I-safely-say-something-to-mess-with-her-head?
Quote from: SpottedKitty on January 29, 2010, 03:28:55 PM
Not after a look at panel 2. Would you react even a tiny little bit savagely to a Wildy who's grinning like that?
Depends. If I had the power to stun her or send her back to that island...
QuoteAlthough it would be fascinating to find out if there's anything she could say that would get this sort of reaction (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_527.php) from Abel. Fascinating, but probably not safe to be close enough to watch...
That's what I was expecting, basically :3
Abel smells like vanilla and cinnamon?! :U
Fluffy is my new hero. I see Fluffy got a stick of Instant Gratification there. I use one from time to time and they're very handy.
So he *looks* like a cookie... and he *smells* like a cookie...
Now I want to taste him. Does that make me gay? :B Or just abel-curious?
Besides the initial shock of her query, Abel should know by now that anytime the ferret is grinning like that it means she's up to something.....You don't need to be a thought reader to figure that one out :mowwink
As for his expression in the third panel, I suspect he's measuring his next words very carefully....
I think Abel is going to punch her or just walk away.
I don't think Abel is going to use physical violence agains Wildy. My money is on him asking a pointed question as to why she's scouting for Jyrras.
Damn it, Amber. You really know how to keep us hanging on. >:3
on the other hand, I hope Amber is okay. it sounded like something bad was happening in reality.
Quote from: Tapewolf on January 29, 2010, 03:12:32 PM
I was expecting him to react a little more savagely than that. I guess there's a time and a place for everything...
I wasn't. Abel doesn't strike me as the type.
Quote from: Shirou14 on January 29, 2010, 03:34:27 PM
Abel smells like vanilla and cinnamon?! :U
Awwwwwwwwwww.... :hug I'm imagining that smell now in association with Abel....
Quote from: Shirou14 on January 29, 2010, 04:41:39 PM
on the other hand, I hope Amber is okay. it sounded like something bad was happening in reality.
Me too. When people don't talk I always get worried and assume the worst.... :(
I'm very surprised that Abel didn't simply try to change the subject or walk away. He actually looks like he might be considering giving Wildy a straight answer.
On another note, I'd almost rather find out about Amber. Like Baal Hadad said, when someone says something bad has happened, but doesn't elaborate, I always assume the worst. Hope it's nothing too serious :(
Quote from: terrycloth on January 29, 2010, 04:01:47 PM
So he *looks* like a cookie... and he *smells* like a cookie...
Now I want to taste him. Does that make me gay? :B Or just abel-curious?
Realistically? No, that just makes you curious. Because it's this forum? Yes. You are gay for Abel.
Also, vanilla and cinnamon. Mmmm.... two of my favorite smells ever.
Personally, I think Abel's just been thrown for a loop. He was stalling there in panel 1. I don't think he knows what to say. It's possible he's never considered the idea, although he *is* almost 400.
Quote from: Sprinkles on January 29, 2010, 05:20:43 PM
I'm very surprised that Abel didn't simply try to change the subject or walk away. He actually looks like he might be considering giving Wildy a straight answer.
I was looking at it as surprised/bemused switching over to the mind reader not liking when he's being lied to.
His reply is the kind I would give if I wanted someone to think about why they were asking a question.
I wonder how long amber can stall but I still hope she's okay and that nothing extremely serious happened. Like her having to move back to the states. :<
And on a totally off topic question. Sprinkles, is your picture from Black Butler?
Now... if only I can find those post that asked "what is Abel's sexual preference?"
Personally I think Abel is going to take the silent way out and not answer or say something so vague that it is the same thing as not answering.
Still I am wondering about the next updates.
I hope Ambers going to be okay after, whatever happens... happens. Let us show amber our luv !
And I think Abel is actually going to give a straight answer this time. Or maybe a bit of emo "I don't know!" ing. but not a dodgy answer.
Quote from: SpottedKitty on January 29, 2010, 03:28:55 PM
(snip Tapewolf quote)
(snip) Although it would be fascinating to find out if there's anything she could say that would get this sort of reaction (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_527.php) from Abel. (snip)
I regard that linked comic as positive proof that Edward Ti'Fiona is not Aniz. Ti'Fiona pater probably defeated Aniz in some way, for which Abel is very grateful.
Quote from: Lucheek on January 29, 2010, 04:23:02 PM
I think Abel is going to punch her or just walk away.
Mistreating customers is a bad thing. He's on the job and serving a customer, so he can't just walk away.
And then Alexsi said, "Why is there a Wildy-shaped hole in the wall? Uh, never mind."With regards,
Ted
Quote from: Ted Schiller on January 29, 2010, 07:16:48 PM
Quote from: SpottedKitty on January 29, 2010, 03:28:55 PM
(snip Tapewolf quote)
(snip) Although it would be fascinating to find out if there's anything she could say that would get this sort of reaction (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_527.php) from Abel. (snip)
I regard that linked comic as positive proof that Edward Ti'Fiona is not Aniz. Ti'Fiona pater probably defeated Aniz in some way, for which Abel is very grateful.
With regards,
Ted
That would make the most sense, at least to me. But, y'know, I'm sure there's a way around that somehow.
Also, Ted, I believe double-posting is frowned upon in this forum. Might want to just make one big post next time.
I'm going to blow some brains here as the temptation is just TOO good to pass up...
Are you still gay if you can change your gender at will? (As in, you like other guys so you become a woman and vice versa.) What about the ever-popular bishonen look? (Just to keep 'em guessing.) How about if you were born a guy but your gf suddenly discovers she likes girls and you change to accommodate that? Are you gay, or are you straight?
Anyways, Amber's news does worry me, but sometimes you need some distance from the sorrow or rage before you can speak about it.
Finally... Yeah, I'd stall on something like this just to keep my readers in suspense as well.
Quote from: Drayco84 on January 29, 2010, 07:28:58 PM
Are you still gay if you can change your gender at will?
There's one question that has to be answered before this one, and that's if cubi shapechanging includes changing all of the internal plumbing (which I would imagine would be mind bogglingly difficult). Abel made himself look like a girl, but without internal changes, it's all just appearance. My hunch is that internal plumbing is not changeable, otherwise cubi males could have children (as in turn female and give birth) -- something which has never been established.
At this point I'd prefer the scene change. Something about Wildy's attitude makes her feel utterly intolerable, and sparing that change? If Abel could get away with knocking her down a peg either physically or mentally (and it worked, like when he nailed her over writing Janus Bond) I would be immensely satisfied.
On a less vindictive note, I like cinnamon.
I think, even if a cubi changed their gender and internal plumbing, you would still be gay. if your a guy, and you like guys, so you change to a girl to accomodate, you changed /because/ you like guys. it doesn't matter what your current form is, but what your original form was.
Quote from: SpottedKitty on January 29, 2010, 03:28:55 PM
Quote from: Tapewolf on January 29, 2010, 03:12:32 PM
I was expecting him to react a little more savagely than that.
Not after a look at panel 2. Would you react even a tiny little bit savagely to a Wildy who's grinning like that? Although it would be fascinating to find out if there's anything she could say that would get this sort of reaction (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_527.php) from Abel. Fascinating, but probably not safe to be close enough to watch...
An intriguing expression on Abel in panel 3, though. Is that oh-no-not-again, where-will-she-hit-me-this-time, or can-I-safely-say-something-to-mess-with-her-head?
I would imagine that because of the Doctor's personality, anyone in that situation would get someone very uncomfortable and would want to do whatever they could to get away from him.
Quote from: Eon on January 29, 2010, 04:40:30 PM
Damn it, Amber. You really know how to keep us hanging on. >:3
Cliffhanger at its best!
Quote from: Janus Whitefurr on January 29, 2010, 08:04:43 PM
At this point I'd prefer the scene change. Something about Wildy's attitude makes her feel utterly intolerable, and sparing that change? If Abel could get away with knocking her down a peg either physically or mentally (and it worked, like when he nailed her over writing Janus Bond) I would be immensely satisfied.
At this stage, I'm all for keeping where this is going, but I have to agree with everything else. (Although I probably shouldn't have read that part about her attitude being utterly intolerable as a universal statement.) Actually, Wildy's history is such that I have a hard time even
imagining Abel -- or any credible threat whose name isn't Regina Darkblood -- inflicting violence on Wildy.
Somehow, though, I don't think this'll be the day that changes.
Terrycloth: Good question. Arcblade: Good answer on all counts. For completely unrelated reasons, I just started watching
Malcolm in the Middle's rendition of "The Candy Man".
"She's pregnant!" :U
I'm sorry. It was the first/worst thing I thought of.
QuoteTerrycloth: Good question. Arcblade: Good answer on all counts. For completely unrelated reasons, I just started watching Malcolm in the Middle's rendition of "The Candy Man".
Grrrrrrrrreat... I've got that scene stuck in my head now... Thanks a lot...
To those saying that Abel would hit Wildy for something like this, remember...
http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_694.php (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_694.php)
I guess I'm not the only one her who couldn't care less about Abel's orientation right now, and are definitely more concerned with what's up with Amber?
Wow, what a week.
Concerning Amber: I'm hoping that, whatever the case is, everything works out! :hug
Concerning the comic: I just wanna hug Wildy now, she might just get the answer :eager
I love Wildy. :3 She's always been my favorite female character out of the bunch.
On a side note... So Cookies and Cream smells like a cookie? :mowcookie *attempts to nom on abel* and yay for my first post!
Quote from: Caswin on January 29, 2010, 08:45:36 PM
Quote from: Janus Whitefurr on January 29, 2010, 08:04:43 PM
At this point I'd prefer the scene change. Something about Wildy's attitude makes her feel utterly intolerable, and sparing that change? If Abel could get away with knocking her down a peg either physically or mentally (and it worked, like when he nailed her over writing Janus Bond) I would be immensely satisfied.
At this stage, I'm all for keeping where this is going, but I have to agree with everything else. (Although I probably shouldn't have read that part about her attitude being utterly intolerable as a universal statement.)
-snip-
What's wrong with being a little confident? I think it would have been much worse seeing Jyrras try to weasel the information out of Abel.
I personally think if Wildy needs to be "knocked down a peg" for being cocky then Abel does doubly so.
Quote from: Rambon on January 29, 2010, 06:48:28 PMAnd on a totally off topic question. Sprinkles, is your picture from Black Butler?
Indeed it is. c: It's my favorite.
Also, not to sound like a complete idiot, but what is the "official" update schedule these days? I don't think I've really known for the past two years or so. 'A'
I believe it's:
DMFA (main storyline) Fri-Sun
Abel's Story: Mon
Cubi Clan: Tues
But I might be wrong.
nope, your %100 right, unless amber has a hiatus for some reason or a delay.
Although, the developments in the comic are very interesting and I greatly look forward to seeing the continuation, I am most concerned for Amber. :<
Quote from: ooklah on January 29, 2010, 09:06:19 PM
"She's pregnant!" :U
I'm sorry. It was the first/worst thing I thought of.
I wouldn't classify being prego as the worst thing that could happen to a married woman, though it can be unexpected and rock-your-world shocking for the unprepared. I could think of much, much worse and do not wish any of it on anyone least of all Amber.
I suppose part of me is wondering why Abel is making such a big deal out of his orientation. Judging from Wildy's behavior, she's eager to put him on the spot and make him uncomfortable. I have a feeling if he was just up front about it one way or another, it would entirely take all of the fun out of it for her -- which would probably work out best for Abel in the long run. XD
Someday I'd like to see a character who was just pretty up front about it. "Yeah, I'm gay. Why? Does it really matter?" And leave the questioner floundering as they try to justify their own beliefs... :P
Quote from: Kattuccino on January 29, 2010, 10:41:44 PM
What's wrong with being a little confident? I think it would have been much worse seeing Jyrras try to weasel the information out of Abel.
I personally think if Wildy needs to be "knocked down a peg" for being cocky then Abel does doubly so.
There's a difference between confident and looking at someone with the grin Wildy has on in panel two. That grin says everything - she's there to screw with him (and if he doesn't tell her, she'll continue to make assumptions about him. How polite.). Wildy's always been the one who gets her way - she even seems all set to take him on until he shuts her down in 694, which is perhaps the only time anyone's gotten the best of her in an argument. So yes, I think the character's a bit full up on her own confidence and ego and needs to get shot down, again.
Compared to that, Abel's deadpan snarking and distant behaviour when it comes to socialising is positively companionable. It's -my- personal thought that he doesn't deserve this troublemaking, especially not when Dan and Alexsi both had pleasant and well-resolved nights. This could all resolve neatly too, or it might not. Either way, I'm on Abel's side, not Wildy's.
Quote from: Sprinkles on January 29, 2010, 05:20:43 PM
I'm very surprised that Abel didn't simply try to change the subject or walk away. He actually looks like he might be considering giving Wildy a straight answer.
Actually, I think he looks like he'll give Wildy a gay answer. Or maybe even a curious one.
:P
Quote from: Janus Whitefurr on January 30, 2010, 03:09:47 AM
Quote from: Kattuccino on January 29, 2010, 10:41:44 PM
What's wrong with being a little confident? I think it would have been much worse seeing Jyrras try to weasel the information out of Abel.
I personally think if Wildy needs to be "knocked down a peg" for being cocky then Abel does doubly so.
There's a difference between confident and looking at someone with the grin Wildy has on in panel two. That grin says everything - she's there to screw with him (and if he doesn't tell her, she'll continue to make assumptions about him. How polite.). Wildy's always been the one who gets her way - she even seems all set to take him on until he shuts her down in 694, which is perhaps the only time anyone's gotten the best of her in an argument. So yes, I think the character's a bit full up on her own confidence and ego and needs to get shot down, again.
Compared to that, Abel's deadpan snarking and distant behaviour when it comes to socialising is positively companionable. It's -my- personal thought that he doesn't deserve this troublemaking, especially not when Dan and Alexsi both had pleasant and well-resolved nights. This could all resolve neatly too, or it might not. Either way, I'm on Abel's side, not Wildy's.
I guess I'm just interpreting the scene a little differently than you -- sure, wildy is putting him on the spot a little, but she's doing it in sort of a playful manner. As for the whole "continue to make assumptions about abel" thing, a. the whole forum does that constantly whether they say it or not, and b. if you do act a certain way you're kind of asking for people to assume what is generally associated with those stereotypes about you, whether they're true or not (like if you dress in all black and eyeliner people might think you're emo).
Also, I think you've got it wrong. I don't think she's there to screw with him, or "get her way" (what way would that be? how would knowing his sexuality benefit her personally -- I can't see her making fun of it if he was gay). I think most people are assuming she's asking this so jyrras can know without having to embarrass himself, which is actually a pretty nice thing to do, imo.
Quote from: white wolf on January 29, 2010, 10:33:59 PM
I love Wildy. :3 She's always been my favorite female character out of the bunch.
Mine too, I wish I could go to the land of Furrae in real life and try to get a date with her. (Especially since it would also give me an instant popularity boost with the demon race (http://missmab.com/Demo/HG11.php))
Quote from: Janus Whitefurr on January 30, 2010, 03:09:47 AM
Quote from: Kattuccino on January 29, 2010, 10:41:44 PM
What's wrong with being a little confident? I think it would have been much worse seeing Jyrras try to weasel the information out of Abel.
I personally think if Wildy needs to be "knocked down a peg" for being cocky then Abel does doubly so.
There's a difference between confident and looking at someone with the grin Wildy has on in panel two. That grin says everything - she's there to screw with him (and if he doesn't tell her, she'll continue to make assumptions about him. How polite.). Wildy's always been the one who gets her way - she even seems all set to take him on until he shuts her down in 694, which is perhaps the only time anyone's gotten the best of her in an argument. So yes, I think the character's a bit full up on her own confidence and ego and needs to get shot down, again.
Compared to that, Abel's deadpan snarking and distant behaviour when it comes to socialising is positively companionable. It's -my- personal thought that he doesn't deserve this troublemaking, especially not when Dan and Alexsi both had pleasant and well-resolved nights. This could all resolve neatly too, or it might not. Either way, I'm on Abel's side, not Wildy's.
To me, I think Abel needs a good 'shaking up' not because he deserves it, but because he needs it. He's 'raised being alone to an art form' for well over three and a half centuries now, the outside-context problem of having to deal with people he can't simply emotion-jam into feeling what he wants them to feel around him and not digging past that may be just what he needs to move on from past issues.
Quote from: Jasonrevall on January 29, 2010, 03:35:14 PM
Fluffy is my new hero. I see Fluffy got a stick of Instant Gratification there. I use one from time to time and they're very handy.
"stick of instant gratification" ... that better not be a euphemism HA
New found appreciation for Fluffy!!! Honestly saw a scene change coming given that Amber and Mookie seem to rival each other for who can drive me nuts with the most cliffhangers :erk
On a side note though. Even if it's just one panel, technically isn't changing to the scene of Amber and Fluffy in itself a scene change?
Tune in next update, when we'll see more... of Amber and Fluffy! :P
Quote from: Shadowcatcher on January 29, 2010, 08:00:35 PM
There's one question that has to be answered before this one, and that's if cubi shapechanging includes changing all of the internal plumbing (which I would imagine would be mind bogglingly difficult). Abel made himself look like a girl, but without internal changes, it's all just appearance. My hunch is that internal plumbing is not changeable, otherwise cubi males could have children (as in turn female and give birth) -- something which has never been established.
You can change your internal plumbing, but, according to a post by Amber, it still won't mean you can get pregnant.
... of course, it does mean you can get all the mental trauma of being raped etc, but if you've got prehensile wings, one would presume that that's a much more difficult thing to do to you, so probably not something anyone has run across very often...
Quote from: llearch n'n'daCorna on January 30, 2010, 10:10:32 AM
You can change your internal plumbing, but, according to a post by Amber, it still won't mean you can get pregnant.
... of course, it does mean you can get all the mental trauma of being raped...
Please tell me you did Not just say men can't get raped. :erk
Quote from: Les on January 30, 2010, 10:32:22 AM
Quote from: llearch n'n'daCorna on January 30, 2010, 10:10:32 AM
You can change your internal plumbing, but, according to a post by Amber, it still won't mean you can get pregnant.
... of course, it does mean you can get all the mental trauma of being raped...
Please tell me you did Not just say men can't get raped. :erk
I'm pretty sure that's not what Llearch meant at all.
Mischa: If I was the asker, and I got that response, I'd probably say, "Oh, it doesn't really matter. I was just curious." And then change the subject or walk away. :mowtongue
Quote from: Les on January 30, 2010, 10:32:22 AM
Please tell me you did Not just say men can't get raped. :erk
Wow, way to read too far into that one. Trying to start drama are we?
Quote from: Drayco84 on January 29, 2010, 07:28:58 PMAre you still gay if you can change your gender at will? (As in, you like other guys so you become a woman and vice versa.) What about the ever-popular bishonen look? (Just to keep 'em guessing.) How about if you were born a guy but your gf suddenly discovers she likes girls and you change to accommodate that? Are you gay, or are you straight?
Note- this post will be heavily concerning transgendered issues, which tend to be a bit controversial. If you don't like such issues, please don't read it. :)
First- I don't know if it's been established if a cubi changing their body would also be able to change their internal gender. All we've seen is that Abel can make himself into a pre/non-op trans
guy who doesn't mind his body too much (and I
do know trans guys who are like this). Or, as someone mentioned, you might not be able to change the plumbing so at most Abel makes himself intersexed- not female- so if we're going by body, he still wouldn't be a straight female.
Second- If Abel is always a guy and stays that way, then he probably wouldn't be happy being a guy's girlfriend.
Gay and lesbian transgendered people (gay female-to-Males, lesbian male-to-Females) would have a
MUCH easier time finding a partner if they presented as straight with the body they were born into- but they wouldn't be particularly happy in a relationship like that. I can't imagine that
any gay guy would be at all happy pretending to be a straight woman in a relationship.
Third- I know a few bigendered (http://gender.wikia.com/wiki/Bigender) people who's orientation is based on their gender. One is attracted to men as a woman and women as a man, so they're always straight. If Abel changes his internal gender with his body, it's possible that he might go from gay->lesbian or straight->straight with it.
Quote from: Mao Laoren on January 30, 2010, 11:21:15 AM
Quote from: Les on January 30, 2010, 10:32:22 AM
Please tell me you did Not just say men can't get raped. :erk
Wow, way to read too far into that one. Trying to start drama are we?
If so, definitely picked the wrong person to start drama with.
Per Ry's explanations: Perhaps Cubi sexual orientations are more relative than most, due to those things. Being shapeshifters and all, I mean.
Quote from: PencilinHand on January 30, 2010, 02:11:24 AM
Although, the developments in the comic are very interesting and I greatly look forward to seeing the continuation, I am most concerned for Amber. :<
Quote from: ooklah on January 29, 2010, 09:06:19 PM
"She's pregnant!" :U
I'm sorry. It was the first/worst thing I thought of.
I wouldn't classify being prego as the worst thing that could happen to a married woman, though it can be unexpected and rock-your-world shocking for the unprepared. I could think of much, much worse and do not wish any of it on anyone least of all Amber.
The worst possible outcome of this is that she could have broke up with her husband/boyfriend (I don't remember her saying she was married), and this is why she doesn't want to talk about it.
Though its possible someone close to her died, which is worse than the previous statement.
Let's not speculate too loudly about anybody's problems on a forum that the person in question visits. If/when we need to know, then we will know.
I think she's just decided to end the comic with #1083. :veryevil
Quote from: Mao Laoren on January 30, 2010, 11:21:15 AM
Quote from: Les on January 30, 2010, 10:32:22 AM
Please tell me you did Not just say men can't get raped. :erk
Wow, way to read too far into that one. Trying to start drama are we?
Because nothing says 'nope, no drama here' like bringing up Rape. Seriously, how Else am I supposed to interpret this 'Oh if you turn yourself into a girl then you can get raped' without it's collary being that boys then cannot? That's just all kinds of messed up. Is this just some sort of mabland-centric humor I'm just not familiar with? :erk
Quote from: kusanagi-sama on January 30, 2010, 01:21:07 PM
Quote from: PencilinHand on January 30, 2010, 02:11:24 AM
Although, the developments in the comic are very interesting and I greatly look forward to seeing the continuation, I am most concerned for Amber. :<
Quote from: ooklah on January 29, 2010, 09:06:19 PM
"She's pregnant!" :U
I'm sorry. It was the first/worst thing I thought of.
I wouldn't classify being prego as the worst thing that could happen to a married woman, though it can be unexpected and rock-your-world shocking for the unprepared. I could think of much, much worse and do not wish any of it on anyone least of all Amber.
The worst possible outcome of this is that she could have broke up with her husband/boyfriend (I don't remember her saying she was married), and this is why she doesn't want to talk about it.
Though its possible someone close to her died, which is worse than the previous statement.
I will only point out that her maiden name was Panyko (http://dmfa.wikia.com/wiki/Dan_and_Mab%27s_Furry_Adventures#History) and that she moved to Canada for a reason. Beyond what the wiki says that I don't know anything.
Bjalf is right though, we shouldn't speculate. I shouldn't have brought it up as is sure to lead to speculation.
My apologies,
PiH,
Quote from: Shachza on January 30, 2010, 02:08:37 PM
I think she's just decided to end the comic with #1083. :veryevil
If a looong series of "Questions from the Readers!" comes along, then y'all know whose fault that is, right? Because, as the saying goes, "curiosity killed the arc".
And technically, QftR wouldn't count as a scene change. Just don't tell her that.
Quote from: PencilinHand on January 30, 2010, 02:37:45 PM
I will only point out that her maiden name was Panyko (http://dmfa.wikia.com/wiki/Dan_and_Mab%27s_Furry_Adventures#History) and that she moved to Canada for a reason. Beyond what the wiki says that I don't know anything.
Amber posted on 10/22/06 that she got married.
Quote from: Les on January 30, 2010, 02:29:39 PM
Because nothing says 'nope, no drama here' like bringing up Rape. Seriously, how Else am I supposed to interpret this 'Oh if you turn yourself into a girl then you can get raped' without it's collary being that boys then cannot? That's just all kinds of messed up. Is this just some sort of mabland-centric humor I'm just not familiar with? :erk
Because nothing says drama like taking a vague statement concerning how one can not have the reproductive ability of certain parts and still have them otherwise fully functional (including the bad thing that was alluded to here) and turn it into a silly accusation with no basis. Awesome. It's nice to know I have some real competition for trolling these forums.
Quote from: Mao Laoren on January 30, 2010, 04:04:58 PM
Quote from: Les on January 30, 2010, 02:29:39 PM
Because nothing says 'nope, no drama here' like bringing up Rape. Seriously, how Else am I supposed to interpret this 'Oh if you turn yourself into a girl then you can get raped' without it's collary being that boys then cannot? That's just all kinds of messed up. Is this just some sort of mabland-centric humor I'm just not familiar with? :erk
Because nothing says drama like taking a vague statement concerning how one can not have the reproductive ability of certain parts and still have them otherwise fully functional (including the bad thing that was alluded to here) and turn it into a silly accusation with no basis. Awesome. It's nice to know I have some real competition for trolling these forums.
Grrr, that was my POINT! Having female genitals is not necessary to be raped. It's not trolling, it's fact... I.. for get it, you Are trolling and I shouldn't have let you sucker me like that. :cry
Quote from: Ry on January 30, 2010, 11:47:39 AM
Quote from: Drayco84 on January 29, 2010, 07:28:58 PMAre you still gay if you can change your gender at will? (As in, you like other guys so you become a woman and vice versa.) What about the ever-popular bishonen look? (Just to keep 'em guessing.) How about if you were born a guy but your gf suddenly discovers she likes girls and you change to accommodate that? Are you gay, or are you straight?
Note- this post will be heavily concerning transgendered issues, which tend to be a bit controversial. If you don't like such issues, please don't read it. :)
First- I don't know if it's been established if a cubi changing their body would also be able to change their internal gender. All we've seen is that Abel can make himself into a pre/non-op trans guy who doesn't mind his body too much (and I do know trans guys who are like this). Or, as someone mentioned, you might not be able to change the plumbing so at most Abel makes himself intersexed- not female- so if we're going by body, he still wouldn't be a straight female.
Second- If Abel is always a guy and stays that way, then he probably wouldn't be happy being a guy's girlfriend.
Gay and lesbian transgendered people (gay female-to-Males, lesbian male-to-Females) would have a MUCH easier time finding a partner if they presented as straight with the body they were born into- but they wouldn't be particularly happy in a relationship like that. I can't imagine that any gay guy would be at all happy pretending to be a straight woman in a relationship.
Third- I know a few bigendered (http://gender.wikia.com/wiki/Bigender) people who's orientation is based on their gender. One is attracted to men as a woman and women as a man, so they're always straight. If Abel changes his internal gender with his body, it's possible that he might go from gay->lesbian or straight->straight with it.
I posted that to actually start a bit of a debate on it. So, no offense taken whatsoever. However, for the life of me, my attention has wandered and I've forgotten what I wanted to say... (It's prolly better this way, just to keep the thread from going off-topic.)
QuoteYou can change your internal plumbing, but, according to a post by Amber, it still won't mean you can get pregnant.
... of course, it DOES mean you CAN get all the mental trauma of being raped...
Sorry, had to edit a few things on the quote, mostly for emphasis. My guess it that you mis-read the post, Les.
For the record, wikipedia has an entry on this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Male_rape#Rape_of_males_by_females. And Wikipedia also has some official-sounding sources, like The National Center for Victims of Crime. So YES, it CAN and DOES happen.
Quote from: Les on January 30, 2010, 04:19:41 PM
Grrr, that was my POINT! Having female genitals is not necessary to be raped. It's not trolling, it's fact... I.. for get it, you Are trolling and I shouldn't have let you sucker me like that. :cry
And you're missing the point. He said nothing about a male not being able to. You pulled that out of your ass. He was pointing out, very simply that aside from the loss of reproduction, they are fully functional organs. All the good and bad things entailed. Yes it's vague. Yes you're reading too much into it, and I'm starting to think you're doing it on purpose.
In short: You trollin'.
We know you are Mao.
Sorry to have stirred up a tempast in a teapot Dray, but the way it was worded sounded like it was implying that being able to morph one's boy-bits into fem-bits was a pre-requisite to being able to be raped as a male and to actually suffer mentally from it.. as in for average males either rape doesn't happen or isn't a big deal when it does.. this is a bit of a hot-button issue with me. Why are we even mentioning rape at all in DMFA? This is the (reasonably) happy (mostly) fluffy webcomic, dangit! :mowmeep
Quote from: Les on January 30, 2010, 10:32:22 AM
Quote from: llearch n'n'daCorna on January 30, 2010, 10:10:32 AM
You can change your internal plumbing, but, according to a post by Amber, it still won't mean you can get pregnant.
... of course, it does mean you can get all the mental trauma of being raped...
Please tell me you did Not just say men can't get raped. :erk
I'm pretty sure I didn't say "men can't get raped". I don't remember posting anything like that, and you don't appear to have that quote in your post there. Did you read between the lines, or merely make something up out of the whole cloth in order to wind people up?
I did say "a man masquerading as a woman can get raped"; I made no comment at all about a woman masquerading as a man, or a man or a woman not masquerading as anything.
I'm aware that men get raped. I'm aware (since I just read the wikipedia article that someone kindly linked) that some 2% of the people committing sexual offenses are women. I'm also aware that you don't need a woman to rape a man, either, so there's almost certainly more than those 2%. All of these acts are to be rightfully condemned.
None of this has anything to do with my point at hand, however, which was that the genital equipment of a fictional race in a fictional setting could be modified to whatever they want, but that the author of said fictional setting has said that they are physically perfect without being able to reproduce; something that makes sense, if you look at it, since I'm given to understand that the eggs in a woman's ovaries are produced at puberty, and merely stored for safekeeping until needed.
Is that all clear, now, or do I need to be more explicit about my point? I'm happy to do so, but I suspect the thread as a whole would suffer...
You see suffering, I see hours of entertainment.
Quote from: llearch n'n'daCorna on January 30, 2010, 05:12:38 PM
None of this has anything to do with my point at hand, however, which was that the genital equipment of a fictional race in a fictional setting could be modified to whatever they want, but that the author of said fictional setting has said that they are physically perfect without being able to reproduce; something that makes sense, if you look at it, since I'm given to understand that the eggs in a woman's ovaries are produced at puberty, and merely stored for safekeeping until needed.
Not to continue off-topic but I think a girl's eggs exist from birth or before and only RIPEN at puberty. With men it's as you said, but not women.
Men is different. Men continue to generate them all their lives, until the male equivalent of menopause.
I think you're right about women, though, thinking through it again. Thanks for the correction.
Quote from: llearch n'n'daCorna on January 30, 2010, 05:39:44 PM
Men is different. Men continue to generate them all their lives, until the male equivalent of menopause.
I think you're right about women, though, thinking through it again. Thanks for the correction.
You're welcome (and maybe this should be continued via PM, but what's the male equivalent of menopause...?).
I don't believe that there is a male equivalent of menopause as you are discussing it. There are a number of problems that can interfere with male fertility, and some of these are more likely as you get older, but there isn't an age where things stop normally. I've heard of eighty year old men having kids.
However, we probably don't want to go into the vaudeville routines on this subject or the subjects of all of those spam e-mail and late night advertisements.
HOOOOOOOO-weee! Look at this thread go! It's so far off topic, you can't even see the rails it hopped off anymore!
So, I suppose the next one isn't going to be up until tommorow eh?
It'll be up when it's up.
Quote from: Mao Laoren on January 30, 2010, 04:04:58 PM
Awesome. It's nice to know I have some real competition for trolling these forums.
It's awesome to know you acknowledge my existance :3
. . . Wait
Quote from: Eon on January 29, 2010, 04:40:30 PM
Damn it, Amber. You really know how to keep us hanging on. >:3
So I'm the only one who's getting irritated in regards to that.
Yep. it's what keeps us reading.
Quote from: Les on January 30, 2010, 06:25:16 AMTo me, I think Abel needs a good 'shaking up' not because he deserves it, but because he needs it. He's 'raised being alone to an art form' for well over three and a half centuries now, the outside-context problem of having to deal with people he can't simply emotion-jam into feeling what he wants them to feel around him and not digging past that may be just what he needs to move on from past issues.
"outside-context problem"... hrm... interesting turn of phrase. Would I be correct in surmising that you believe Abel ought to be a bit more Cultured? :D
(if you don't get the reference, then I'm completely wrong with where I thought you got the phrase from)
If anything Abel's situation counts as 'Special Circumstances'. >:3
Quote from: Psy-Kosh on January 30, 2010, 10:45:41 PM
Would I be correct in surmising that you believe Abel ought to be a bit more Cultured? :D
Plain or with fruit?
(http://www.diamondorganics.com/images/193_yogurt300.jpg)
Definately fruity. :)
Quote from: Anker Steadfast on February 01, 2010, 02:33:07 PM
Definately fruity. :)
Which reminds me of a TV skit I saw years ago, but I can't find
any links to it. I think it was Rowan Atkinson, but I'm not sure.
Some people are sitting in a train compartment, or something like that.
One man suddenly says "I'm bent! You can have me for 13 p!"
After a long and embarrassing silence, another man asks him "Are you a fruit?"
Anybody rememer this? I don't want to spoil the punchline.
Quote from: Anker Steadfast on February 01, 2010, 02:33:07 PM
Definately fruity. :)
Fruity indeed with whip cream on top! >:3